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Parliament today (BBC):

Shadow work and pensions secretary Debbie Abrahams urges the government to end its “shirker, scrounger rhetoric”.

She calls for cuts to the Employment Support Allowance Work Related Activity Group to be reversed, arguing that they target sick and disabled people.

She tells the House that the country is becoming “more and more unequal” and attacks the government for giving tax breaks to the “highest earners”.

 Followed by:

Work and Pensions Minister Penny Mordaunt tells MPs that government is helping people to get out of their jobless situation “not just to endure it”.

She says that new money from the Treasury will be used to extend a hardship fund and adds that the government will help jobseekers with “work related costs”.

The debate comes to an end and MPs vote on Labour’s motion.

The result is expected at approximately 4.20pm.

I think we know already what that will be…..

Debbie Adams MP has already written this:   No more “shirkers” or “scroungers” – let’s overhaul the culture of the benefits system (6th of October)

I’ve been campaigning to stop the Government’s punitive sanctions regime for nearly four years now, ever since the Coalition government introduced their new sanctions regime in 2012. I have quizzed the former secretary of state for work & pensions, Iain Duncan Smith, specifically on this issue, and have worked with people who have been affected by sanctions. These include Gill Thompson, whose brother, David Clapson, died after being sanctioned.

In January 2015, I managed to get the work and pensions select committee to agree to hold an inquiry on sanctions. The evidence was shocking. We heard of the sudden rise in sanctions, with 3.2m alone occurring between October 2012 and June 2014. Sanctions to people who were sick or disabled on Employment Support Allowance increased five-fold.

We heard from Jobcentre Plus advisers of sanction “targets” in order to get claimants “off-flow”, in benefits speak, which distorted the unemployment claimant count in the process. And we heard of the dramatic rise in foodbank use, with more than1m foodbank parcels in 2014, primarily as a result of sanctions. We heard in turn of the effects on the physical and mental health of claimants and their families.

The select committee made more than 20 recommendations, including stopping financial sanctions for people who were sick or disabled on ESA, or vulnerable in other ways, and setting up an independent body to investigate deaths associated with sanctions.

Unfortunately, the government refused to accept the select committee’s recommendations.

Since the inquiry, the government has been compelled to publish details of 49 claimants who died between 2012 and 2014, 10 of whom died following a sanction. It is still to publish reports on another nine claimant deaths since 2014. We have discovered that the government is watering down the guidance to jobcentre staff to identify and protect vulnerable claimants.

Meanwhile the following is worth thinking about.

Everything Theresa May planned for the benefits system needs to change because of what Brexit Britain will look like

 Reports Andrew Grice in the Independent this afternoon.

The Institute for Fiscal Studies calculates that 11.5 million families, who were originally due to lose an average of £260 a year, are now likely to lose £360 because of higher inflation. The Government will save £4.6bn instead of £3.6bn.

Damian Green, the One Nation Conservative appointed Work and Pensions Secretary by Theresa May, has started to smooth some of the rougher edges of what can be a tough benefits system – as anyone who has seen Ken Loach’s I, Daniel Blake knows.

People with the most severe health conditions on Employment and Support Allowance will no longer face reassessments. On Wednesday, Green announced that jobseekers who are homeless or have a mental health condition will have immediate access to hardship payments if they are hit by a benefit sanction.

(NOTE: this leaves everybody else still at risk from the arbitary “police of JobCentre Plus).

 While these are welcome steps, the big picture emerging under the May Government is less flattering. We will know more about its intentions towards those on benefits next week when Philip Hammond delivers his Autumn Statement, the first economic update since the Brexit vote.

May pressed the Chancellor to do something for the “just managing” classes she promised to champion on becoming Prime Minister. After some tense negotiations, measures such as a freeze in fuel duty, cuts to air passenger duty and more help with childcare costs seem to be on the agenda.

Green has promised no further welfare cuts before the next general election. But that is not as generous as it sounds because £12bn of cuts are already in the pipeline. They include almost £3bn from reducing work allowances under Universal Credit – the amount families can earn before their benefits are scaled back. About three million people will lose an average of £1,000 a year, reducing the incentive to work for those striving that May wants to help.

Regarding these people as “claimants” misses the point; about two in three children growing up in poverty have at least one parent in work. The biggest challenge on welfare is in-work poverty, not so-called scroungers.

Hammond should stop the cut to work allowances by switching some of the £8bn earmarked for income tax cuts for the middle classes, which are likely to go ahead because they were promised in last year’s Tory manifesto. By 2020, the threshold for the 40p higher rate will rise to £50,000 and the personal allowance to about £12,500.

Then this…

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Written by Andrew Coates

November 16, 2016 at 4:29 pm

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  1. “The private sector and voluntary sector should be more involved in the provision of welfare services”

    Mr Green “Just a few years ago the idea of a proper job meant a job that brings in a fixed monthly salary, with fixed hours, paid holidays, sick pay, a pension scheme and other contractual benefits.

    “But the gig economy has changed all that. We’ve seen the rise of the everyday entrepreneur. People now own their time and control who receives their services and when.

    “They can pick and mix their employers, their hours, their offices, their holiday patterns. This is one of the most significant developments in the labour market. The potential is huge and the change is exciting.”

    Because this is for the majority of the world population . on call.

    news seeker

    November 16, 2016 at 5:14 pm

    • A pretty self-demolition of the claim that Damian Green is new kinder, gentler, face of the Department of Work and Pensions.

      Indeed.

      Andrew Coates

      November 16, 2016 at 5:28 pm

      • Te only thing I’ve heard Green say about his appointment is that he would use a “different language” not different methods to any of his predecessors. Probably a bit like the American military using euphemisms like “retire with extreme prejudice” rather than “murder in cold blood” when talking about assassination. Green must by now have been fully informed about Universal Credit and the effects of the current sanction regime; if he was going to assert himself and act to make things less bad we would have seen more evidence of this intention by now. The fact is that Osborne, riding the wave of public hate and loathing after the financial crash and years of demonisation by Labour and Conservative politicians and the media, chose to cynically scapegoat benefit claimants in order to cut state spending because, basically, in that climate after the crash he could get away with it and appeared to take vicarious pleasure in doing it, personally: it was win-win for Osborne as he made cuts to social security, the biggest budget of government, and looked tough as he “cracked down” on legions of supposed scroungers and spongers, a minority that government and the media worked overtime to blame for their situations and make legitimate targets for disapproval and hate. Thanks to the coalition penalising the poor, disadvantaged and the needy has ended up underpinning pretty much all of government economic policy as far as making savings in spending and garnering political advantage by attacking a despised minority are concerned.

        It will be interesting and quite possibly terrifying to hear what Osborne’s replacement, Philip Hammond, has to say when he lays out the “new” government’s agenda next week.

        I would prepare myself for disappointment if I were you.

        The Conservatives are now wedded to casual cruelty and I, for one, don’t see this changing any time soon.

        Kahil

        November 17, 2016 at 11:25 am

      • “friendly fire”, “blue on blue”…

        Yankee Doodle Dandy

        November 17, 2016 at 1:10 pm

    • While a welfare cutting, capping and freezing agenda is on the table anti-benefit claimant rhetoric will obviously have to be maintained to justify those means. Casting doubt on benefit claimant worthiness and work readiness of the sick and disabled generally, via an unceasing campaign of continual black propaganda, is essential in to prevent the government from seeming cruel and brutal as it doles out “tough love” and “discipline” to moribund citizens in order to save them for themselves. The line spun is this: Government “help” will foisted on benefit claimants and those who refuse, fail, or are resistant to this help, well, they deserve everything they get by way of cuts, caps, freezes and sanctions because they don’t want to pull their weight like members of normal “hard working families” but to sponge and scrounge rather than stand on their own two feet.

      Slander and libel have always been weapons used by unprincipled politicians, especially when in difficulty.

      Saracen

      November 17, 2016 at 3:07 pm

  2. “Jobs of the future may not have stable hours, holiday pay, sick pay, or pensions, DWP secretary says:”

    he forgot to mention no realistic pay levels… of course they could roll out nationwide “internship” like in Westminister for the great and the good for those that aspire to a better life… oh wait they already have its called unpaid workfare

    Gazza

    November 16, 2016 at 5:28 pm

    • Wait a minute, dosen’t that describe Zero hours Jobs?

      Gazza

      November 16, 2016 at 5:28 pm

      • Contracts, contracts, contracts

        Now whether to your liking or not, there is absolutely no regulation that stipulates an employer must offer any contract. Before i get a chorus of boos, what is it really that you think this bit of paper does for you exactly.

        Sure dependent on contract you get whats called employer rights but how good are they if they do next to nothing when your employer makes you redundant or as ive heard in some cases, concocts an event to sack the employee just so they dont have to pay for a redundancy. The point here is to demonstrate, you can have all the paperwork in the world but ultimately it does not safe guard job security.

        As long as a company has work and finds favor in your work, you will be working. You see its not that bit of paper that guarantees this, its how much trade and consumerism there is towards your company for you to be able to continue doing it.

        Not agreeing on the terms of a contract is not the same as refusing work. One example would be the DBS search which if you have certain criminal offenses under your belt instantly excludes you from the position.
        Now although a company will state it as part of the job in the ad, its not. Its a part of a regulation that dictates employers MUST carry out prior to an appointment of employment that involves certain forms of access to vulnerable people. Health and safety is another and when you read a contract more closely, see that over 90% of the contract is what your do for the employer and not what the employer will do for you and as such if you find no favor means you haven’t reached a contractual agreement.

        A contract has to be mutually beneficial to both parties as if it isn’t, then no one would entertain them and employment contracts/contract of service are no different. When you first take out benefits, you enter the same thing. Does DWP sanction people for not claiming all because they decided not to because of terms and conditions. Of course they dont, they cant because sanctioning is something you have to agree to which if your just applying for benefits, is a point you haven’t even reached yet.

        Now all offers of work are subject to agreement or as you may have heard used on occasion, subject to contract. This means at this juncture, you still have not been offered work but will be if you agree to certain terms. THIS MEANS YOU CANNOT BE SANCTIONED FOR FAILURE TO ACCEPT WORK AS AN OFFER OF WORK HAS NOT BEEN OFFICIALLY GIVEN.

        doug

        November 17, 2016 at 1:17 pm

      • “THIS MEANS YOU CANNOT BE SANCTIONED FOR FAILURE TO ACCEPT WORK AS AN OFFER OF WORK HAS NOT BEEN OFFICIALLY GIVEN.” – not so in DWPland! “Refusal of Employment” in DWPland can be construed as failing to apply for a job; not attending an interview, supposedly ‘sabotaging’ one’s chances by having a ‘bad attitude’, the way in which an application form is completed… and of course no actual offer of employment has been made.

        DWPSPeak

        November 17, 2016 at 3:31 pm

      • Hey give DWPSPeak,a gold star for pointing out the obvious I don’t think.

        We are all aware DWP will say they can turn water into wine but just because you say it, does not mean they actually can. Sure your see the water but the wine will never come.

        You see and we all have, DWP will sanction you for whatever they like, they don’t even care if its a real charge so to a claimant someone such as yourself coming to this site to point out an already established course of action for DWP means, well, nothing.

        It means even less when they consider whether wrong or right of them, that you are either a troll or a dedicated tory which they will or should I say have.

        By all means point out irrelevant facts if it gives you some sort of satisfaction but don’t be surprized when no one listens as after all would you to a person saying something you already lived.

        So what’s next, DWPSPeak, off to tell all the criminally accused on trial in this country to just go guilty in court because that’s not how they will construe it anyway ?

        doug

        November 17, 2016 at 6:37 pm

      • More on ‘refusal of employment’ here:

        https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/182400/response/448565/attach/4/FOI%205109%20JSA%20RE.pdf

        It really refers to a ‘notified’ vacancy i.e. one which a cock roach has told a jobseeker to apply for an is on the LMS (Labour Market System) i.e. what would have been a card on the jobcentre wall back in the day but now means universal jobmatch.

        The jobcentre will try anything on though. A jobseeker up in Scotchland was sanctioned under ‘refusal of employment’ for not shaving!

        doug's old nan

        November 17, 2016 at 7:03 pm

      • doug’s old nan

        I ask an advisor, “do you want this claimant to find work”. They will say, “yes”,
        I then turn to the claimant and ask ” do you want to find work”. They will say, “yes”.

        You see this is where the conversation really begins and what is so often forgotten by claimants as those times are when you got an advisor that really did care and help. Regardless, the above show and tell is non descriptive, which means anything is fair game within reason whether an advisor likes you or not.

        doug

        November 17, 2016 at 8:48 pm

    • “Jobs of the future may not have stable hours, holiday pay, sick pay, or pensions, DWP secretary says:” What about MPs?

      Gig Economy

      November 16, 2016 at 6:47 pm

    • For people working on temporary or zero hour contracts the future is now.

      Mystic Meg

      November 17, 2016 at 8:45 am

      • There’s no change for those, to many it will be the norm.

        news seeker

        November 17, 2016 at 10:17 am

    • The excuse that everyone is happy or would be happy with a flexible job or jobs, utter nonsense.

      news seeker

      November 17, 2016 at 10:20 am

  3. And it doesn’t end when you retire – or even expire!

    In Scotland, £500,000 is spent on “Paupers”, or National Assistance funerals, as they are known.

    “Low-income families in particular, who are finding it hard just to pay their food and fuel bills, can suddenly face a bill for several thousands of pounds which they simply can’t pay.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37999757

    Expiry

    November 16, 2016 at 6:05 pm

  4. PATIENT CONFIDENTIALITY?

    Meanwhile, an emotionally traumatised woman is charged by police after telling her doctor in confidence that she felt like killing her brother’s murder who is due to be released from prison shortly.

    “A spokesperson for NHS Dumfries and Galloway said: “The Health Board is unable to comment on individual cases due to patient confidentiality.”

    I’ll swing for that!

    Expiry

    November 16, 2016 at 6:17 pm

    • Link to patient confidentiality story here (real life thought crime):

      http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/thought-crime-grieving-sister-charged-9267749

      Expiry

      November 16, 2016 at 6:19 pm

      • At the risk of being shot down in flames I repeat again women’s medical details have not been private since the NHS Set up open Exeter on 1989 when it set ip the cervical screening programme. Women’s names address age date of last period and any other details they could get out of you such as do you practise safe sex are all stored on a database for anyone to read. Nobody asked women if they wanted to join the programme and nobody cared about the breach of privacy. We were expected to accept it. When the data protection laws came into force they venue added a clause to get round this!! I ready believe this paved the way for so much surveillance we have today

        katrehman

        November 21, 2016 at 11:14 am

      • Quite right, kat! It’s not just an intrusive cervical smear us ladies are expected to put up with it is also a barrage of intrusive questions that quite frankly are nobody’s but our own fucking business!

        Old Maid

        November 21, 2016 at 2:43 pm

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    mili68

    November 16, 2016 at 7:22 pm

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    mili68

    November 16, 2016 at 7:23 pm

  7. The Tory scum don’t think up these policies themselves,they are Created by their evil masters,the same ones who claim that six trillion were lampshaded!

    foxglove

    November 16, 2016 at 9:06 pm

  8. 😀

    Marie

    November 16, 2016 at 9:29 pm

  9. Spike in food bank usage blamed on delays in benefit claims

    Bureaucratic delays have left hundreds of thousands of benefit claimants struggling without income for weeks after being made jobless, forcing many to turn to food banks

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/nov/14/spike-food-bank-usage-blamed-delays-benefit-claims-frank-field

    ken

    November 17, 2016 at 1:11 am

  10. Boy with half a heart wins benefits court appeal

    http://www.itv.com/news/central/2016-11-17/boy-with-half-a-heart-wins-benefits-court-appeal/

    As you can see our government aren’t content waiting for you to reach the unemployment age requirement before depriving you of vital aid/funds. This what can only be described as a callous act, not a bureaucratic error was carried out by you guessed it, DWP.

    A spokesperson for the Department for Work and Pensions said: ‘Decisions are made after consideration of all the supporting evidence provided by the claimant and their family, their school, and their GP.

    “Anyone who disagrees with a decision can appeal”.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3884822/Boy-born-half-heart-benefits-cut-eighth-birthday.html

    Knowing full well they cant justify this let alone ever find favor from any parents for this act, DWP has taken to nolonger having to answer the hard questions but instead try and portray how there appeal system made it possible as though its a triumph of there ingenuity.

    This government has to date as far as making appeals is concerned, only sought to lengthen it. Now such a lengthening despite being hailed as something positive clearly does not work if people are still on mass having to take it to tribunal.

    Now i hope this particular case sees more light as it would be profoundly irresponsible of any member of public not to ask government the valuable and validated question of,

    “How did the DWP get it so very wrong” ?

    Something tells me though both government and DWP will do there damnedest not to be in the limelight when that particular question comes.

    doug

    November 17, 2016 at 12:30 pm

    • The proverbial poo on the doorstep

      Now if you didn’t know this prank you would must certainly be forgiven for making the mistake to stamp out the fire only to find your stamping on dog poo that’s now spread itself across the patio.

      We even have a saying, “once bitten, twice shy”.

      Yet despite these very apparent footnotes (pun not intended) its a mistake our current government make all to often in there progressive mandatory reconsideration. You would think the proverbial smell by now would be unbearable but oh no, our government hasn’t made a single change to there already ineffectual addition. You see our government is a lazy government, rather than work towards getting to the heart of the problem just keep slapping down blanket laws, policies that entrap all and sundry and all for the sake of them not having to do much at all to prove there actually the right person for the job.

      Take the justice secretary Elizabeth Truss. What personal experience, what wealth of knowledge does she have on justice. Better still here’s a stamp, put your answer on that because other than a view, she has nothing.

      Being a politician these days isn’t a life long vocation of care and concern for fellow man, its a platform to a better paid piece of employment (Cameron just the other day following in Blair’s footsteps).

      doug

      November 17, 2016 at 1:51 pm

      • It is the first time I have heard of DWP stopping a tribunal going ahead. obviously it is because stopping is more favourable to them, not to me.

        I take it that they can stop it as you said “it depends”

        news seeker

        November 17, 2016 at 4:35 pm

    • Doug, I have just been told by the tribunal service that the DWP have stopped the tribunal hearing going ahead because the DWP have made a more favourable outcome, (obviously with what I posted the other day) can they do that.?

      news seeker

      November 17, 2016 at 2:01 pm

      • – The DWP have said that, only it isn’t in my case.

        news seeker

        November 17, 2016 at 2:13 pm

      • That all depends newsreader, whats this more favorable outcome ?

        doug

        November 17, 2016 at 3:24 pm

      • A sanction in June, however the start of appealing was in March.

        news seeker

        November 17, 2016 at 3:30 pm

      • “We said you would lose some or all of your UC payments because you failed to carry out a work preparation activity. – one sanction. in June.

        You asked us to look at our original decision again, after we did that and told you the result, (decision upheld), you appealed to an independent tribunal.

        We will remove this sanction.

        Before sending your case to the tribunal, we’ve looked at your appeal and decided that you shouldn’t get this sanction, we will make sure you don’t lose any of your UC payment because of it.

        This means we haven’t paid you enough, we will write to you again to say how much you’re owed and when you’ll get it.

        We’re now working out the amount of your next payment, if it’s different from your last payment, we will write to you again”

        news seeker

        November 17, 2016 at 3:31 pm

      • Lay the case out properly newsreader like did you get the sanction in June or they backdate one to June ?

        What was the original tribunal for, what was if they had attended, the legal question that would have been put to them ?

        doug

        November 17, 2016 at 6:41 pm

      • Just clocked the post so ignore previous post for now.

        doug

        November 17, 2016 at 6:42 pm

      • OK, well if your benefit has been reinstated and more importantly the charge dropped, then what is it that DWP have to answer to relevant only to the case brought against them.

        Now I could be wrong, you correct me but you seem to have not had your pound of flesh as so to speak. I don know what you expect in court but its not going to have some effect that will weigh in against DWP later down the road.

        I wish it would but the truth is you already got your victory as small as that may feel so the job as far as your part in it goes is done. The luxury you do have though is being able to walk into this local JCP of yours with the smug satisfaction to all who knew about it that you came, you saw, you kicked ass.

        doug

        November 17, 2016 at 7:07 pm

    • How did the DWP get it so very wrong” ?

      Something tells me though both government and DWP will do there damnedest not to be in the limelight when that particular question comes.

      Doug, I have won one sanction, meanwhile since the DWP has stopped my tribunal going ahead the DWP have done their damnedest to hide the other illegal sanctions.

      The abuse continues.

      Thanks for your time and replies Doug.

      news seeker

      November 18, 2016 at 10:55 am

      • Not necessarily newsreader if you fancy becoming a reporter.

        First put in an FOI asking DWP how many sanction related tribunals were halted prior to attendance of said court date (you want the actual dates of the trials), because DWP dropped the sanction despite there first MR upholding said sanction.

        In the meantime go tell your story online everywhere, see if you can link with others who experienced the same thing. Look for patterns in both content when DWP reply.

        You may find for instance as sanctions are quite the topic lately, that DWP is dampening the count as a way to fudge the figures on say MR outcomes,etc.

        doug

        November 19, 2016 at 9:56 am

    • One learns a lot when appealing against DWP, after reading all the evidence!

      news seeker

      November 18, 2016 at 11:18 am

  11. Tory minister says private firms should play a bigger role in the welfare system.

    Damian Green made the pledge in a wide-ranging speech vowing to change Britain “from welfare state to welfare system”

    But quoting wartime social reformer William Beveridge, Mr Green said society had changed radically since the welfare state was set up.

    “We can admire, even revere the welfare state,” he said. “But a welfare state, is not enough for today’s world. What we need is an entire system of welfare.

    “The government is a necessary, but not sufficient provider of welfare. It can, and does, act as the guarantor of fairness within the welfare system to set the rules. It can also provide the backbone of the assistance system through more than 700 Jobcentre Plus offices.

    “What it must not try to do is assume that it can provide all the help necessary. ”

    He added: “The first principle is that a welfare state is not enough – we need a welfare system, involving many players – health professionals, employers large and small, a whole range of voluntary organisations.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tory-minister-says-private-firms-9274040

    news seeker

    November 17, 2016 at 1:41 pm

    • All that and he could have just said, “listen country, your collected taxes/NIC nolonger pays the light bills”.

      After all this is what its all about as costs still go up be there inflation or not. The ploy to point the finger of distraction at the poor, terrorists and immigrants while befitting at the time has swung around to become the noose now this government tries the we care mantra card.
      Rather than blame labour, short on logical excuses, Mays government infer, they always had a different path to that of Cameron but actually stop short of officially declaring it.

      In the case of welfare, its been nothing but the introduction of schemes from private companies and charities yet still poverty grows, employment becomes less secure and extra council housing still nowhere to be seen and as for the NHS, you really dont want to know where that’s heading but face it you will sure enough.

      What this Green is talking about is protection and health insurance and why certain ex members of the DWP are now padding out health and safety power seats.

      doug

      November 17, 2016 at 3:03 pm

      • In case people dont get it, these particular insurances are a stealth tax as unlike car insurance, you simply cant exclude yourself because you dont own a car and can get a bus or train.

        More peoples hard earned money is going to leave there hands and have less to live on and save if they allow this government to continue privatizing the public sector.

        doug

        November 17, 2016 at 3:15 pm

    • Sounds like the abortive Big Society shite is being taken out and dusted off ready for another go.

      Saracen

      November 17, 2016 at 3:14 pm

    • “It’s also why we’ve secured important changes to the times of day work coaches are available – to include evenings and Saturdays – so they can best respond to this new world of work”

      https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/from-welfare-state-to-welfare-system

      news seeker

      November 18, 2016 at 3:05 pm

  12. lo at the Daily Express headline: “Fury over £28 Billion Bill for Workshy” accompanied by a picture of Charlies bit-on-the-side Camilla Parker-Bowles 😀

    Royalarsest

    November 17, 2016 at 3:16 pm

  13. Benefit Sanctions inquiry.

    Scope of the inquiry

    To receive benefits such as Jobseeker’s Allowance or Universal Credit, some claimants must agree to undertake work-related activities which aim to help them move into work.

    Not completing these activities can lead to a sanction, where a claimant’s benefit payments are suspended for a period of time.
    National Audit Office report

    The National Audit Office (NAO) are currently undertaking a study to examine whether the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) is achieving value for money from its administration of benefit sanctions.

    This includes how benefit sanctions fit with the intended aims and outcomes of DWP’s wider working age employment policy, whether sanctions are being implemented in line with policy and whether use of sanctions is leading to the intended outcomes for claimants.
    Submitting written evidence

    If you wish to submit written evidence to this inquiry, the deadline for doing so is midday on Tuesday 6 December 2016.

    http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/public-accounts-committee/inquiries/parliament-2015/benefit-sanctions-16-17/

    news seeker

    November 17, 2016 at 3:45 pm

    • I will submit my own.

      news seeker

      November 17, 2016 at 3:48 pm

  14. Another one, it won’t be the last.

    Staples brand to disappear from UK High Streets.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38013806

    news seeker

    November 17, 2016 at 4:55 pm

  15. Tories threaten to take power away from House of Lords if it stalls Brexit.

    The House of Lords has been warned not to delay or amend Brexit or a threat to curb its powers will be revived.

    The Government announced it will keep in reserve a plan to strip peers of their right to veto certain laws, called statutory instruments, which was thought to have been dropped.

    The idea – put forward last year by David Cameron, after the Lords rebelled over cuts to tax credits for the low-paid – will not go ahead immediately, the leader of the Lords said.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-house-of-lords-delay-theresa-may-article-50-vote-parliament-a7422731.html

    news seeker

    November 17, 2016 at 5:10 pm

  16. The select committee made more than 20 recommendations, including stopping financial sanctions for people who were sick or disabled on ESA, or vulnerable in other ways, and setting up an independent body to investigate deaths associated with sanctions.

    Unfortunately, <b?the government refused to accept the select committee’s recommendations.

    Kind of like when Labour refused to accept the SSAC’s (Social Security Advisory Committee) recommendation to extend hardship payments to sanctioned jobseekers who weren’t in Labour’s beloved
    so-called ‘vulnerable’ groups.

    What is it with Labour and their so-called ‘vulnerable’ groups shit!? Who is more ‘vulnerable’? An ESA claimant who has part of their £30 a week ‘premium’ on top of JSA sanctioned still leaving them with more in their pocket than JSA or a jobseeker left with £nothing? Isn’t a human being left with £0 income ‘vulnerable’? Isn’t a human being left with zero income likely to suffer deterioration in their mental and physical health? Yet this is the unconscionable situation we had when these Labour bastards were in power!

    Debbie Abrahams talks shit? As if we are going to see an end to sanctions – without exception under a Labour administration. Yeah, sure 😉 And pigs will fly! We all know Labour’s game. They were in power after all. Why can’t Labour just be honest – for once! Debbie Abrahams and Labour can fuck off!

    Labour Talks Shit

    November 18, 2016 at 8:35 am

    • Maybe so! But at least with Labour we had the ‘New Deal’ 🙂 So things weren’t all bad 😀

      Dencora House

      November 18, 2016 at 8:48 am

      • Actually again this was an idea taken from the united states but granted, new deal UK back in 1998 was a progressive step. Sadly though Labour couldn’t stop tinkering and low and behold, it turned into the mess that was flexi new deal.

        Its funny you mention it as i would actually like to see the original new deal come back into service but back under DWP itself as it hasn’t worked under private companies. Back then you weren’t just farmed out for work experience all because government does not know how to support a person into work. They had a selection of reasonable (for the uneducated) to very good opportunities for claimants who had been unemployed for 6 months. You did as the primary, study for a proper qualification and while as it is a part of NVQs doing two short stints of work related experience training to count towards the qualification itself.

        Im not sure why they stopped it but alas they did.

        doug

        November 18, 2016 at 10:38 am

      • Happy Days!

        Andrew Coates

        November 18, 2016 at 5:42 pm

  17. DWP statistical summaries 2016

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/570151/quarterly-stats-summary-november-2016.pdf

    Some more government data for those who like to chew through government figures.

    doug

    November 18, 2016 at 11:45 am

    • What are the numbers going to be in 5 to 10 years.

      news seeker

      November 19, 2016 at 11:19 am

  18. The Tory government blew £100,000 of public money trying to hide a huge list of firms that used jobseekers for unpaid work.

    Official claimed releasing the information would hurt “commercial interests”

    The DWP is now “totally ignoring” a similar request he made for employers using the Community Work Placement scheme, which made jobseekers work for six months.

    Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary Debbie Abrahams said: “Damian Green said the film I, Daniel Blake was ‘a work of fiction bearing no relation to the modern benefits system’.

    “And yet here we have a scenario worthy of a movie plot in which a government tries to hide the truth of its own failings from the public.

    “They think nothing of demonising those who need the support of our social security system, a system that is there for any one of us in a time of need, forcing them into unpaid work or using spurious reasons to sanction them to manipulate the unemployment figures.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tories-blew-100k-public-money-9273121

    news seeker

    November 18, 2016 at 12:51 pm

    • A department spokesman said. the usual.

      “Our reforms are increasing the incentives for people to move into a job rather than staying on benefits, while keeping an important safety net in place for those who are vulnerable or unable to work.,

      news seeker

      November 18, 2016 at 1:35 pm

  19. Investigatory Powers Bill: ‘Snoopers Charter 2′ to pass into law, giving Government sweeping spying powers

    The bill will force internet companies to store their users’ browsing data for a year, and will allow the government to force phone makers to hack into people’s handsets

    The House of Lords has passed the Investigatory Powers Bill, putting the huge spying powers on their way to becoming law within weeks.

    The bill – which forces internet companies to keep records on their users for up to a year, and allows the Government to force companies to hack into or break things they’ve sold so they can be spied on – has been fought against by privacy campaigners

    “It is fundamentally wrong. It seeks to punish those who may be innocent, to fine them for telling the truth, for saying things that people in power do not like.

    “It goes to the heart of our free press and it should be thrown in the bin.”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/snoopers-charter-2-investigatory-powers-bill-parliament-lords-what-does-it-mean-a7423866.html

    news seeker

    November 18, 2016 at 2:36 pm

  20. “Lefroy said he took issue with the cut, which brought down ESA to the same level as jobseekers’ allowance, because ill or disabled people preparing to return to work often had higher costs of living.

    “There’s the additional costs for heating … additional costs for food, some of the diets involved are expensive,” he said. “The cost of transport is expensive as one goes frequently to hospital and doctor’s appointments.””

    Heating lol like sat in the bookies and pub 😀 And someone suffering from ‘depression’ doesn’t even eat, in the same way that ‘stress’ and ‘anxiety’ lowers the appetite. Really, really flimsy excuses to hold onto another £30 of booze, fags and gambling money a week. They want cold, hard cash but they don’t want any extra help and support to ease them into work 😉 And where was the ‘disabled’ lobby when cuts and freezes to working-age benefits were being made? Yeah, sat in the bookies and the pub!

    P Hammond

    November 18, 2016 at 5:43 pm

    • P Hammond

      A mouthpiece

      Gazza

      November 18, 2016 at 7:55 pm

      • And somebody who obviously lives on booze and fags himself.

        Andrew Coates

        November 19, 2016 at 11:36 am

      • Ringpiece more like,

        Soapy T. W.

        November 19, 2016 at 2:29 pm

  21. Government considers easing Universal Credit cuts to help ‘just about managings’

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/social-affairs/welfare/news/80936/government-considers-easing-universal-credit-cuts-help

    Now i cant get any other sources yet to substantiate this.

    Only the other day it was “just managing”, now its “just about managing”, whats next, “just about under managing”.

    doug

    November 19, 2016 at 10:19 am

    • PS: I find if you refresh the page, the toolbar to the let does not resurface.

      doug

      November 19, 2016 at 10:20 am

  22. David Clapson was found dead last year after his benefits were stopped on the grounds that he wasn’t taking the search for work seriously. He had an empty stomach, and just £3.44 to his name. Now thousands of other claimants are being left in similarly dire straits by tough new welfare sanctions

    Clapson’s sister hopes that her brother’s death may encourage greater sensitivity towards claimants who are struggling.”There is no humanity and they are getting the little people. Why sanction vulnerable and needy people”?

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/03/victims-britains-harsh-welfare-sanctions

    news seeker

    November 19, 2016 at 11:34 am

  23. news seeker

    November 19, 2016 at 11:37 am

  24. Marie

    November 19, 2016 at 12:43 pm

    • Instead of squandering millions doing that dump up the despicable old scumbag and its hideous family should all be gathered in there, then a bomb should be dropped on the fuckers!

      foxglove

      November 19, 2016 at 1:13 pm

      • Ha-ha-😀 effing scroungers.

        Marie

        November 19, 2016 at 2:07 pm

  25. Marie

    November 19, 2016 at 3:31 pm

    • Fucking hell!

      Ant Middleton

      November 19, 2016 at 3:44 pm

      • That ugly old slag is going to fucking hell!

        foxglove

        November 19, 2016 at 5:17 pm

      • Orrf with foxglove’s head!

        Elizabeth R

        November 20, 2016 at 11:41 am

    • Thing is though the Queen doesn’t own any of her stately homes, they belong to the nation. Hence the nation has to pay for their upkeep. Simples.

      Rodrigo the Aardvark

      November 19, 2016 at 5:15 pm

      • That makes it a bloody squatter then,because it certainly won’t be paying any rent,the mangey old leech should be fucking evicted asap!

        foxglove

        November 19, 2016 at 5:25 pm

      • Indeed! Buck House is the biggest council house in Britain!

        Factoid

        November 20, 2016 at 11:43 am

    • What is kind of funny is that the people shouting loudest about money being spent on a state palace are the ones who aren’t actually paying anything, anywhere, any time! – not taxes, not rents, not their way – but lounging about all day busily leeching off state benefits paid for by others. The next thing is of course to blame immigrants for taking work away from you – THAT YOU DON’T WANT! – and continue doing everything you can to keep riding the benefit train to the end of the line. Toot-toot! What a bunch of completely useless and shameless bone idle tossers you people are copping undeserved handouts from others that you don’t deserve..

      Momus

      November 19, 2016 at 6:05 pm

      • Change the bloody record you dozy wanker!

        foxglove

        November 19, 2016 at 6:42 pm

      • Hear, hear!

        Old Tory

        November 19, 2016 at 8:30 pm

      • Fuck me!

        Ant Middleton

        November 20, 2016 at 11:00 am

      • IF IT WASN’T FOR BLOODY IMMIGRUNTS TAKING ALL THE JOBS THERE WOULD BE PLENTY OF JOBS TO GO ROUND!!!! BLAME THE BLOODY IMMIGRUNTS NOT THE UNEMPLOYED!!!!

        GIVE US A JOB!!!!!

        November 21, 2016 at 2:22 pm

    • Notice how the news film footage of the supposed state of disrepair of Buck House was captioned: “Courtesy of the Royal Household”. It is not like they even let a film crew in, suspicious that? Her Maj and the rest of the gold-plated scroungers will no doubt take the public’s cash ££££ and piss it up against the walls of Buck House on fags,booze, Sky TV, scratch cards and internet porn just like her fellow benefit claimants supposedly do😉

      Royalarsest

      November 21, 2016 at 11:11 pm

  26. Fucking hell!

    Marie

    November 19, 2016 at 5:41 pm

    • Fucking hell! You must have balls of steel to post that, mate!

      Ant Middleton

      November 20, 2016 at 11:02 am

  27. What sort of effin name is momus,sounds like a toffee nosed t*at!

    foxglove

    November 19, 2016 at 7:40 pm

    • You’re using the internet and didn’t have the brain power to do a google search for Momus. Now wonder you thickies have to parasitise society in order to feed and shelter yourselves and raise your litters of children. Here’s a link for you to click on you poor sad sods:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momus

      If we lived in Sparta you defects and rejects would have been discarded.

      Momus

      November 20, 2016 at 8:41 am

      • “If we lived in Sparta you defects and rejects would have been discarded”.

        Yet despite all that education, where are the spartiates now ?

        doug

        November 20, 2016 at 9:51 am

      • Exactly where we will be as a society, in much less than two millennia, unless we can root out the scroungers and skivers, put them to useful work, and instil self-determination, self-reliance and pride in them.

        Momus

        November 21, 2016 at 1:48 pm

      • Incy Wincy Spider

        November 21, 2016 at 2:13 pm

      • Fucking hell!

        Ant Middleton

        November 21, 2016 at 10:44 pm

  28. We may as well be living in Sparta, we rejects and defects are being discarded thanks to the draconian austerity cuts imposed on us by the bankers.

    Marie

    November 20, 2016 at 9:42 am

    • According to the likes of mombus we are to blame for what the globalists are imposing on us,mombus doesn’t even know when its being mocked its that far up its own arse!

      foxglove

      November 20, 2016 at 10:19 am

  29. Foodbank rationing, local councils starting to speak out!

    http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/urgent_call_to_scrap_new_housing_benefit_system_1_4783767

    The letter continues: “Given the borough has wards with some of the highest deprivation levels in the country, where some people rely on benefits as their main or sole source of income”.

    Now we are told daily there’s loads of jobs, it certainly looks that way if we dont investigate the many job boards. The problem comes however when we do and why we never judge a book by its cover.

    You see once you cut through all the multiple duplicates, fake jobs and half hearted attempts to misrepresent a position, we do indeed find people cant help but be reliant on benefits or in some places, live totally on it.

    Its fact that a person on £7.20 an hour working 37.5 hours a week is still heavily reliant on the welfare state, still having to choose between heating and food. Its unavoidable when we consider RENT, a constant bug to the welfare reform whose willingness to adapt only serves to make it worse.

    Equally responsible is the state of our job market that has seen a very large rise in so called recruitment agencies whose interests wouldn’t last a second if positions were permanent. There’s a lot of money changing hands in this temp culture, sadly though not the hands it needs to be in, namely the agency worker. Now it would appear logical with a growing population to create more different types of work but lacking in clear vision, this all just translated to what we refer to as middlemen, people who lack there own product so seek to squeeze themselves between someone else’s established idea/trade. The problem with this is, its still the same pie but now has to be divided between more people except unlike an inn, no ones saying there’s no more room when there’s no more room.

    doug

    November 20, 2016 at 10:38 am

    • For your information, ‘doug’ there are one million new jobs on universal jobmatch EVERY. DAY. Divide that by, what? one million unemployed? And just to save you doing the math since math obviously isn’t your strong point, ‘doug’ that means that there are enough jobs on universal jobmatch to wipe out unemployment in ONE. DAY. Well, if only the unemployed weren’t too lazy to get up off their lazy arses and get a job.

      Sparta

      November 20, 2016 at 11:20 am

      • Ah, a Mouthpiece emerges…

        Lets break this down shall we…

        good old UJM. A Brilliant 200Mil waste of money and stated as such in official documents in Parliament & Cabinet Office.

        Awarded the Industry top Award for being the Worst site in the UK. Brilliant, a bit like Workie from the same mob, and just as creepy

        Riddled [and acknowledged to be so with bogus adverts] so much for the jobs you highlighted, Sparta. Wait a minute didn’t Idiot Darth Sith claim a million every week and then the DWP Spokes Cock Roach acknowledge it was actually 25K [I know as Advisor showed me on screen when I pointed it out].

        Star of a segment on CH4 news on this same subject, Sparta? Where art thou?

        What jobs there are are scattered around the country hapazardly – so Sparta, how exactly are people to get to them seeing as dole is set below subsistence level? How about housing? etc etc etc.

        I really love your evidence, as put against the evidence in the Public Domain.

        Truly you know a lot of things as evidenced by your above claim shows your Yuge Breath of Knowledge, Trump style. Do you perchance have small hands?

        Gazza

        November 20, 2016 at 1:50 pm

    • It’s like back in the day when Maggie Thatcher (BIH)* said that in order to solve unemployment we should all take in each others washing. The modern day equivalent of taking in each others washing is operating a job board, operating a recruitment agency, running a job club, running ’employability’ courses, running ‘CV workshops, ….

      * 👿 Burn in Hell 👿

      Soap Suds

      November 20, 2016 at 11:32 am

  30. I’ve reached the point that I need help from the #foodbank. Something inside me has died

    Food bank use is at record high says the headlines. Trussell Trust released figures recently that show that 1,109,309 three day parcels were handed out. The primary reasons are shown below.

    For nearly 3 years now I’ve been tweeting about food banks and the efforts made by local communities to support them. For almost 3 years I have shown examples of families who have needed them, some with dramatic stories that normally involve the DWP or another Government department not doing their job or being overly officious. For all that time I have tried not to become one of their statistics but now it has reached a point where I feel I have no choice.

    Many of the people on here will have no choice either weather you think you will need to or not.

    https://imajsaclaimant.wordpress.com/2016/11/19/today-ive-reached-the-point-that-i-need-help-from-the-foodbank-something-inside-me-feels-as-though-it-has-died/

    news seeker

    November 20, 2016 at 11:52 am

    • Exactly, this concerns me a lot more than Buckingham Palace, which since I last saw it with Alice, all I heard was that a soldier’s life is terrible hard.

      Andrew Coates

      November 20, 2016 at 12:47 pm

      • Doesn’t the old dear who lives at Buckers concern you? Well it ought to, she put her signature on the welfare reform bill-she’s got blood on her hands.

        Marie

        November 20, 2016 at 5:51 pm

  31. Two hour commute only adds to the dire working life for millions of impoverished and slave driven workers.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38026625

    Marie

    November 20, 2016 at 2:28 pm

    • That’s only one hour each way. When you’re unemployed you’re already required to be willing to travel for up to 3 hours a day between work and home. (Lest we forget Labour brought that one in, years ago, not the Conservatives.) Of course non-specific rules like these a rather meaningless since they don’t reference any means of travel and so might mean a five or six miles commute if you were young and fit enough to walk ten or twelve miles a day, or, say, 60 miles if you drove or took a train, supposing you were well paid enough to be able to afford to do that on a daily basis. On the other hand, if you happened to be an immigrant from Krypton, or had access to a Stargate, or owned a TARDIS, you could widen your work search to include other epochs and/or other galaxies but that’s another story.

      Kal-el

      November 20, 2016 at 5:04 pm

      • You forgot anti-gravity space ship 😀

        Marie

        November 20, 2016 at 5:44 pm

  32. OT: Validity of Video/Audio Evidence and use thereof

    I found this most amusing :

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/09/23/copyright_troll_weeps_20week_jail_sentence/?mt=1479655420783

    “facilitated Mr Croucher’s arrest and subsequent conviction.

    Technology also played a key role as the body cameras worn and operated by our security staff incorporate audio recording, which, coupled with our CCTV, provided the club with necessary means to assist the police in full and to a satisfactory end.”

    Gazza

    November 20, 2016 at 3:27 pm

  33. OT: Witch May and Broken Promises – The Start…

    1st of the high profile broken promise to placate the common worker vis a vis better relations and curbing abuses like voting in your own pay packets – placing at least a token check on big business.. withdrawn:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/business-38024665

    “PM Theresa May confirms she will not force companies to have workers on boards in CBI speech”

    Gazza

    November 21, 2016 at 10:59 am

  34. War criminal Tony Blair plots to return to British politics.

    Blair is hunting for a new office near Westminster as he plots to return to frontline to influence the governments approach to Brexit.

    The former PM believes the tories are ‘screwing up Brexit’ and views jeremy Corbyn as ‘a nutter’.

    How is this possible? He should be in prison for crimes against humanity.

    Marie

    November 21, 2016 at 12:00 pm

  35. ‘Just about managing’ families to be £2,500 a year worse off by 2020.

    A study of 187,000 households across the UK found that policies including cuts to universal credit and the four-year benefit rate freeze, coupled with rising rents and higher inflation, would see low-income working families typically lose £48.90 a week by the end of the decade.

    The findings have alarmed councils and charities worried that the growing financial burden on low-income families will raise poverty and homelessness levels.

    The study, by the consultancy Policy in Practice, suggests that even after promising no more cuts the cumulative impact of the £12bn of welfare changes either already in place or due to come into force will be far harsher than that experienced by low-income households under the first wave of austerity-driven welfare cuts during David Cameron’s leadership.

    Worse times ahead for us all.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/20/just-about-managing-families-to-be-2500-a-year-worse-off-by-2020-study

    news seeker

    November 21, 2016 at 1:45 pm

  36. ‘It’s too easy to get benefits’ The ‘loopholes’ in complex handouts system STILL exploited

    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/562888/benefits-system-Theresa-May-easy-loopholes-exploited

    “People don’t really understand the benefits system. They need more information about claiming and entitlement, and still do today, which creates loopholes”.

    So people dont understand the benefits system, need more information about claiming yet somehow seem to know the loopholes,Hmmm.

    I can see this person is trying to be neutral but a change of circumstances from a legal stance or should i say a failure too is most certainly not a loophole. DWP make very clear what getting this cited at you means both on paper and verbally. There’s no technical jargon, its not tucked away in a documents recess, nor small printed.

    Ok so she made a little error so what about all the other loopholes ?

    Im reading, im reading and nope, definitely no loopholes cited. Maybe its me, have a look, can you see wally ?

    doug

    November 21, 2016 at 2:45 pm

  37. Up to a third of homeless young people turned away when they seek help from their local council, research reveals

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/homeless-helpline-appeal-centrepoint-youth-homelessness-christmas-charity-campaign-one-in-three-a7424256.html

    Dig yourself out of that hole May.

    doug

    November 21, 2016 at 3:01 pm

  38. We must reform Universal Credit to prevent it from penalising low-earners

    https://www.opendemocracy.net/neweconomics/universal-credit-cutting-the-aspiration-tax/

    Cries against in work benefits, cries against esa, cries against the work capability assessment, cries against treatment of the disabled, cries against homelessness and sanctions,etc. Government who for so very long managed to keep it all under raps now realize the cup brimth over.

    doug

    November 21, 2016 at 3:20 pm

    • Things are catching up with the Conservatives. Their measures have been introduced quietly, stealthily, in modest numbers to begin with which are now growing. Take Universal Credit: Only about 300,000 people with the simplest claims have received, or are receiving it, currently, i.e., only 1/26 of all of those due to be migrated from old legacy benefits onto UC by 2022. As the numbers grow the evils become more obvious and eventually too obvious to be ignored. Universal Credit is buckling at the knees now so goodness knows how it will ever feasibly cope with a twenty-six fold increase in its claimant count! The full horror of what is happening and where we are going becomes more and more visible and public day by day. Something will have to give eventually.

      Martin

      November 21, 2016 at 3:36 pm

  39. The new Health and Work Scheme seems to be on the right track to me. Statistics show that people in work are always better off than those out of work, if only temperamentally, and benefit from having a routine like many an animal. Surely it’s better to get sick and mental people into some kind of job than leave them to moulder? I mean it gets them out of the house, allows them to meet people, make friends, make a contribution to society, and possible even reduce the benefits bill if some employer will pay them a bit of money. A lot of mental people are able bodied after all and can do simple manual work like packing biscuits, boxing crockery, or stacking shelves and stuff. If people can’t help themselves to get a job the state should get behind them and give them some help. Where’s the harm in that?

    Jim

    November 21, 2016 at 3:28 pm

    • Run along now, there’s a good troll.

      SJ NM

      November 21, 2016 at 3:43 pm

    • There is no harm in that, Jim. The worst thing you can do is give people shed-loads of cash for nothing and allow to moulder. The alignment of ESA rates to JSA is an attempt by the Government to address this issue. It is the lack of a work routine that is the root cause or at least an exacerbating factor in mental people’s condition. All they do is moan and whine and want more and more of working people’s money. They also expect to live in four bedrooms housing paid for out of benefits. They also expect a free car at the taxpayer’s expense. And the funny thing is they always say is that the ‘cut’ to ESA “will make it more difficult for us to get a job” lol George Osborne hit the nail on the head when he said: “ESA is the benefit people try to get on and stay on”. He also pointed out that the numbers leaving ESA for work was a great, big fat zero.

      Moulder& Scunner

      November 21, 2016 at 3:50 pm

    • There is no harm in that, Jim. The worst thing you can do is give people shed-loads of cash for nothing and allow to moulder. The alignment of ESA rates to JSA is an attempt by the Government to address this issue. It is the lack of a work routine that is the root cause or at least an exacerbating factor in mental people’s condition. All they do is moan and whine and want more and more of working people’s money. They also expect to live in four bedrooms housing paid for out of benefits. They also expect a free car at the taxpayer’s expense. And the funny thing is they always say is that the ‘cut’ to ESA “will make it more difficult for us to get a job” lol George Osborne hit the nail on the head when he said: “ESA is the benefit people try to get on and stay on”. He also pointed out that the numbers leaving ESA for work was a great, big fat zero. ..lol

      Moulder& Scunner

      November 21, 2016 at 3:51 pm


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