Ipswich Unemployed Action.

Campaigning for Unemployed Rights.

About Ipswich Unemployed Action.

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This Blog is dedicated to fighting for the rights of the Unemployed. (updated August 2011)

  • Raise our Benefits to a living level.
  • We want the minimum wage for any ‘voluntary’ work they make us do.
  • There should be an independent appeal and monitoring system – open to all – for anyone on the Work Programme,
  • We want real training, not the sham courses we have now.
  • No to Workfare.
  • Above all we want to be treated as human beings – not things the DWP, Providers, and Government Ministers can claim rights over. We should have rights, and we want them now!
  • We want real jobs, not endless ‘job-searching’.
  • And now, we want the Work Programme  closed down!

E-MAIL: iunemployed@live.co.uk

Written by Andrew Coates

May 12, 2009 at 10:21 am

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    If the allowance is increased than these people will have more money to spend and will help with the current economic climate which will increase employment. People buying real items is better than the Government pouring a lot of money into individual businesses (or more to the point giving tax breaks which helps businesses but doesn’t increase the customer count).


    The “voluntary” work isn’t voluntary and any slacking results into dismissal, therefore, it isn’t laid back work as the name may suggests and it is the same hard work as any employee has to do with some exceptions of employees making the volunteer do most their work – so in effect participants actually do harder work and get paid nothing.

    The Minimum Wage should apply as the National Minimum Wage was introduced in 1998 and makes it illegal to employ people for under this. The contract between the Jobcentre and employer makes you an employee of their company during your term.

    My “voluntary work experience” to get me back into work of an administration role consisted of heavy lifting of large items up and downstairs – not sure how this helped with my office experience but 9 to 5.30 while supervisors stood around while paid was disgusting.


    Long overdue! Participants are dismissed after a verbal conversation – the paperwork is just as evidence and doesn’t get checked. Once the phone call ends, your claim has ended. The Job centre staff has no discretion and can’t reject a training provider’s request for dismissal. Decision Makers do not reply other than to alert you of a benefit ban – should one exist.


    YMCA Training… you would have thought they did something that constituted training, wouldn’t you? At Dencora House detention centre you sit all day doing unsupervised Job search. No training opportunities available of any kind.


    We are not moaning about having to attend a course – generally we all like to develop ourselves and meet new people – but your treatment on the course is like being an object – a “thing”.

    Many people are dismissed for trivial reasons and lies to lower the numbers of the already overcrowded rooms in the centre.

    Going to the toilet or getting a drink of water outside allocated breaks is a possible dismissal offence and so is taking a plastic cup of water or cup of tea or coffee outside the centre (the small break-out areas are not enough to hold the people in attendance so people venture outside).

    No independent review so what they say becomes the truth – regardless of it being as far from the truth as possible.

    For example, walk outside the centre on your break for a cigarette (both going outside and smoking in the the designated smoking area is permitted) and you could be randomly chosen for dismissal to ease overcrowding – the reason would be “walked out of the training centre” which is true but out of context. Depending on the staff member, accusations of being abusive, having a bad attitude or being rude could also join the above reason.


    I couldn’t agree more. Even though participants aren’t chained or behind bars… being an participant of the detention centre is like being in a prison, an open prison… you can decide to walk out (even for a fag or some fresh air) but every possible action you do warrant some potential unfair punishment.

    Finish reading the job paper or coming off the computer to let someone else use it – too early – as defined at the staff members discretion can also warrant dismissal. So can doing nothing when there is nothing to do regardless if your job log has been completed and a stack of envelopes are beside you.

    This is for YMCA Training’s best interests too! If participants decide not to go there for their unfair treatment then they will be paying overheads for no reason. perhaps they can have the initiative to spend the difference on participants at another centre?


    May 13, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    • I have place this website as the Home Page on all computers at Dencora House today. Hopefully some of my fellow detainees here will read it.

      There has also been print outs of your articles left around the centre.

      The staff have been going round ripping them off the walls. They then get put up again.

      People who merely found this site as the home pagfe have been undertaking these actions on their own.

      Hopefully more people will involve themselves in such sabotage. If we make it too much hassle for them to treat us like this then they will be forced to stop!


      May 26, 2009 at 1:44 pm

      • I wonder if tomorrow will be the same?

        Today we noticed the increase in hits from other sources than the usual (search engines, wordpress tag pages, others blog posts, email and YMCA Training webmail) and now I know why 😀

        Everyones efforts in this including your own is well appreciated. Keep up the good work!


        May 26, 2009 at 9:52 pm

    • First of all, I’d like to give the author of this page/website major props because it’s clearly been set up by someone who is passionate and possessive of a drive to do something positive and to help others.

      I’m a first time visitor, I haven’t read the comments properly yet, (other than a brief skim), but I’m sure I will at some point. I’d just like to make a few points myself.

      Minimum wage for voluntary work – If companies did have “hired hands” from the govt this would only shaft those in regular paid employment and cause further societal problems down the line – something you obviously wish to avoid. All you’d end up with is a massive army of unskilled, unmotivated people with no rights. There’s also no money to pay for it, if there ever was. As a model I just can’t see how it adds up, economically or socially, but I’d be interested to hear other people’s thoughts.

      My main reason for posting however is because of a view I doubt will win me many friends and may even appear ruthless to some. It is basically regarding the modern persons expectations. Or in too many people, I’m almost reluctant to say, sense of entitlement.

      Before we had the safety net of the welfare state, people were sent up chimneys, down pits, bent over double for 12 hours a day working the land, or abroad to die in wars. People did these things not so they could afford to maintain a nice social life or to buy nice clothes but so that they could survive from one week to the next.

      In the old days if you were neither intelligent or physically capable you lived a short and wretched life and died poor with few, if any offspring. If the head of the house was a poor provider, his children would probably die of malnutrition or disease and in many cases, not even live to reach their teens if they got out of infancy at all. Or in other words, natural selection.

      Our welfare state has almost completely removed this element and now we allow foreigners to do the shit jobs us Brits don’t want to do. I’m not speaking as a proponent of eugenics, I’m merely remarking on the prevailing reality of the demographic composition of our cities, towns and villages.

      I think this is the kind of perspective that is missing today because a lot of people simply don’t know their history. Life on benefits is shite. I know – I’ve been there twice myself. Many people, again myself included, do or have at some point in their life done some exceptionally shitty and stressful jobs for far too long and endured crap commutes on crowded buses and trains on a daily basis only to get home stressed and knackered at the end of it all only to do it all again the next day.

      I can even understand why some benefit claimants, (not that I’m saying that’s the prevailing view here – far from it), think that people who work for “shit” money are mugs, but the fact remains if it wasn’t for people who are prepared to work for low incomes there wouldn’t be the tax revenues to fund a welfare state in the first place.

      The sod who can’t be bothered to work would be reduced to scratching around the forest looking for food, but as we all know the welfare state is also there for the majority who for reasons too many to recount here have been in desperate need of the subsistence income that the welfare state provides in times of great vulnerability.

      Yes, this A4E shite sounds like absolute fucking bollocks, but it doesn’t sound an awful lot worse than what I myself and millions of others have endured being wage slaves in some jobs so let’s get real – there are far greater hardships out there.

      After years of hard work, starting from the very bottom, I now earn a salary that gives me a fairly comfortable life, (whilst acknowledging the worldwide economic reality that could snatch that away from me again), but after all outgoings, including a mortgage, I currently can’t afford to buy a bloody car.

      It’s unfortunate there are benefit claimants who are disappointed their benefits are unable to fund the lifestyle they want, (including maintaining a car that I myself can ill afford), but if benefit payments did stretch that far, what incentive would there be for people to do any work at all? With no tax revenues, the country would resemble a post-apocalyptic wasteland within six months.

      I often think that the crap bureaucracy of organisations like the DWP and local councils who administer housing benefits have shitness “built in” to the system. It’s the only way I can think of to explain such crapness anyway. It’s not *supposed* to be pleasant. Good luck trying to change it! ;o)

      On a bit of a tangent, I think another great danger for the unemployed, particularly for young men but increasingly for anyone and for people of all ages is something which in historical terms is still very new and that’s technology. We all love it. I love my FIFA and my Call of Duty etc and I love the font of knowledge that is the internet.

      I think it may be contributing to a massive problem though and that it could be increasing exponentially without people realising it. The internet and computer games are an opiate. A sedative.

      The number of poorly adjusted young lads, barely able to dress themselves or string together a coherent sentence is growing massively. I suspect that as long as their rent is paid and they have enough money to fund the occasional game purchase they are content to stay at home and liberate Latin-American islands rather than confront the harsh realities of life.

      What they are left with is a very limp, short and unrewarding life dogged by Type 2 Diabetes. Go into Ipswich town centre and have a look inside CEX, Swallow games, Blockbuster or Gamestation et al and this is where you’ll see these young lads milling around for hours during one of their rare forays outside of the house. Ebay is another driver of this economy. I think it’s telling that in a time of growing unemployment and economic stagnation that big games releases continue to go on breaking records for most units sold. At the forefront of this trend is the UK. In what other mass market industries is this the case?

      I’m all over the place now. All I’m saying is by all means, let’s criticise incompetent governance and crap civil servants but can we also have a little more acknowledgement that the modern welfare state, for all it’s flaws and it’s waste and it’s thousands of unnecessary and petty injustices and inadequacies on a daily basis STILL remains a remarkably humanising and generous system compared to the alternatives in most other countries.

      I only post all this gumph because I think it’s been taken for granted by far too many people for far too long, and if you think it’s bad now…..


      July 16, 2010 at 10:13 pm

      • Stories.


        July 17, 2010 at 7:58 am

      • JK, I agree you with that the Welfare state is a huge advance. My Scottish grandparents (long passed on) lived in a kind of poverty in Glasgow in the twenties we can barely imagine. Even my English ones were born in the East End where they began life in pretty hard conditions.

        The Welfare state was great.

        That is why we feel so passionately about it being twisted.

        MInd you what I read in the papers this morning (about things being even more ‘outsourced’) suggests that we have only just begun to see how it’s going to get worse.

        As for young people playing with video games – well, it’s better than stuffing coins in one-armed bandits in Showboat!

        Andrew Coates

        July 17, 2010 at 9:00 am

      • Typical state of affairs…

        Have something pioneering, run it into the ground and try to bring “reform”…

        * Welfare (as explained)
        * NHS (too much to describe)
        * Railways (moved on, amongst the slowest and unreliable in the world)
        * Internet (British inventor, yet connectivity is soo slow compared to other countries)
        * The tube (very old trains etc.)

        Do I need to go on?

        Flexible New Deal

        July 17, 2010 at 9:39 am

      • For gods sake

        You have a problem with kids staying in and playing with PC Games?

        Come to Lowestoft where we have a major problem with kids playing out on our streets with knives and hyperdermic syringes.

        You clearly live in fucking Trumpton, open your eyes to the world before you give us the benefits of your oppinion.

        Lowestoft's Finest

        July 17, 2010 at 10:01 am

      • @ Lowestoft’s Finest

        If only you knew mate. Suffice to say, I’ve come up through some of London and the South East’s most exquisite dumps and for all it’s charms, Ipswich is certainly no St Tropez.

        And fwiw, I have absolutely no problem with computer games per se, (as I said I enjoy them a great deal myself), but I’m talking about moderation, in the most liberal and easy-going sense.

        Besides, I was referring to people of working age anyway so don’t misrepresent what I said by equating it to “kids playing PC games”.

        As part of a healthy work/life balance, if you want to sit at home and play GTA all weekend, awesome. I’ve done it myself. A bit sad, somewhat geeky, but wtf, you pays your money you takes your choice.

        What I was referring to was young men, (and increasingly older) who nowadays have such a long list of distractions that simply didn’t exist twenty years ago which mean they can simply forget about their predicaments and bury their heads in the sand. I think this has the potential to be massively harmful and undermines their potential to improve their lot, an inevitable consequence of nondescript days and weeks that blur into the next one after the other.

        Don’t underestimate how incredibly addictive games can be either. Games have online modes that mean when you finish playing the single player mode, you can play online with millions of other players. There is not a single time of the day when you can’t switch on your xbox and find a game to play in within two minutes of loading it up.

        Again, as a form of relaxation and entertainment, that’s a fantastic technological accomplishment and has brought joy to millions. But I’m not knocking games, I’m referring to their potentially harmful impact on people who are stuck at home all day every day.

        In the post which you took exception to I was just stating a point based on my own observations, (or having my eyes open to the world as you put it). I didn’t want to sound too hyperbolic but I honestly think it’s that much of an issue, (though clearly not on a par with knives and hypodermic syringes), but again I think that’s more of an issue with adolescents. I’m just as concerned about lads of 20 years+ and it is to them whom I was referring.

        Hey, I realise some of this is ripe for piss-taking but whereas I definitely take some things seriously, (as you might be able to gather), I most certainly don’t take myself. ;o)

        @ A Coates

        Cheers for posting mate. It’s argue to argue with that last bit, but at least they were getting out and meeting people!


        July 17, 2010 at 3:07 pm

      • Fair enough JK,

        But I think you are getting yourself worked up over nothing, I personaly don’t play computer games but I enjoy reading books and exactly the same critisism you make about computer games could be leveled at reading books.

        At least the young men in question have a hobby that keeps them out of trouble and I think will lead them to other related interests with a bit of luck, like a developmentaly delayed version of the same thing we experianced at a far younger age when you or I saw some film or TV program were kids that influenced are interests in later life.

        I ounce had a job that envolved standing beside a production line working 12 hour night shifts, becouse of the noise you had to wear each defenders all the time. then becouse you had to work nights you had to sleep all day so you never came into contact with anyone and if you had you would have nothing to talk about as you lived a battery hen existance on a production line and had no clue what was going on in the world or even cared, the existance was so isolating that if you read peoples name badges you soon noticed many surnames were the same which was becouse the workers never realycame into contact with anyone else so ended up marrying each other!!!The Job also turned most people into Alcos. This is probably what the work world would have in store for these lads, so do you seriously now think they would be happier then left to their computer games?

        Lowestoft's Finest

        July 17, 2010 at 5:42 pm

      • Your first post referred to syringes and knives and your second one referred to keeping them out of trouble. We are both essentially talking in terms of “saving people from themselves”, you in terms of drug abuse and crime and me in terms of listlessness and wasted opportunities*, I suspect that those affected by the latter are far more numerous than the former which is why it concerns me, (although it’s nowhere near as headline grabbing which is probably hear so much less about it).

        *however unattractive these opportunities are perceived to be, which is another discussion altogether.

        I very much agree with the potential to lead to other interests, (in my case swapping weekends playing GTA to weekends on an unemployed action group chat forum), but these are still extremely narrow in scope when compared to the vast potential for enlightenment you can obtain from the habit of reading.

        I also suspect though that such “developmental” benefits would be more evident in children than in adults. To a very large extent we are the people we are going to be once we reach our twenties. The work ethic for example is a hard thing to obtain if it hasn’t been inculcated from a young age either in the form of proper employment or formal study, (giant tangent ahead, try to hold your horses JK son), but I do think about the huge problem we are now storing up for the future with the growing number of NEETS which is only going to get worse until we see REAL recovery, (rather than the bullshit GDP-oriented period of economic recovery that we have already supposed to have entered).

        I can absolutely see your point about the desirability of staying at home and playing World of Warcraft over some tortuous manufacturing job. (Not that they’re many left anyway!).

        The thing is though, we all have to live and get by in the circumstances dictated by our times. By historical standards, the current times are pretty cushty. Refusing to work isn’t an answer. It may be the answer provided by individuals but it’s not the answer for a well-functioning society.

        Society literally can not afford to pay for people to sit about and do nothing. The problem we have today is we brand everybody and tell them they have obstacles which the individuals might not themselves have realised until the state told them so.

        We tell kids who are far too young to comprehend, “you have ADHD”, “you have OCD”. They are only left with the impression they are somehow defective. This kind of shit can damage people for life and to a significant extent, OCD and ADHD are fairly fashionable and transient terms and the science is not always there to back them up.

        We tell people claiming benefits who have at some point in their lives suffered from depression that they have a disability, under the auspices of giving them extra “support” but in practice this is just as much a self-serving attempt by the state to take the credit for getting people with disabilities back into work.

        Not that I wish to undermine a lot of the real advances in focusing help to those who need it that we’ve seen in the past hundred or so years, I just question the qualifications and expertise of a lot of the people who make these kind of judgements and how helpful a lot of these judgements are in actually helping people.

        And at that point I have literally no bleeding idea where this is going!

        Have a good weekend all.


        July 17, 2010 at 7:18 pm

      • @ JK

        I find your well-crafted narratives extremely entertaining.

        Jack A. Nory

        July 18, 2010 at 10:02 am

    • Will A4e stand by me as a witness if i get a sanction for not using UJ?Because i use and am reg with countless other better sites.and both A4e & myself have documented evidence that i search & apply on these sites ,and prior to the change i have given my A4e application tracker to my jobless center lady every 2 wks when i sign on.She has even co signed some of them So for 3 years on the WP,I have 3 years of evidence.UJ v A4e..Has any other job search site posted any comments about this compulsary issue?If I was earning a wage from likes of REED or Totaljobs i would be well pissed off.Why not make it compulasry too join every website that advertises jobs surely that would increase ur chances of work!!.I am sure that most off us looking for work have done this anyway..


      December 24, 2012 at 1:01 am

      • OOOPS, sounds like you have given away your “rights to DATA PROTECTION”. if you have you will no doubt have loads of phone calls from companies trying to sell you loads of crap, same goes for emails as well and junk mail through your letter box.


        January 1, 2013 at 7:06 pm

  2. Congrats.

    I wonder what they’ll do when I get there!

    Andrew Coates

    May 27, 2009 at 10:12 am

    • Yes, it will be very interesting indeed. keep us all informed 🙂


      May 27, 2009 at 10:54 am

      • I can’t believe that they banned you. Then on second thoughts after all the trouble I had earlier this year, it doesn’t even come as a surprise!

        My Google Alerts (emails of search terms of web search, blog and news) has brought up numerous different blog sites reporting this. This is a section 23 paragraph 1 breach of contract. Of course, it is still early days …


        June 1, 2009 at 3:28 pm

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  6. I live in Blackpool and last year I was forced onto the New Deal. It was introduced to me as “A fresh approach to help me get the job I really want to do”. The reality however, could not have been more different. I was forced to attend a training centre called MBW Training, which sounds similar to your YMCA. The regime was harsh and there was the constant threat of stopping benefits. There were targets for job applications, but the staff had absolutely no interest whatsoever in the outcome of applications. At the start of the programme we were forced to sign a document agreeing that the training company could contact any future employer. This is so they can get even more tax-payers money from the Job Centre. When I started work (not as a result of the New Deal) I informed my new employer (in writing) that I was withdrawing my consent for the training company receiving any information about my employment. The employer should not then give them any information as this would be against data protection. I would suggest that anyone dissatisfied with their training provider does this, as this hurts them with their targets and in their pockets!

    Several years ago I wrote to my (Labour) MP asking for the abolition of the Job Seekers Agreement and New Deal and the repeal of the Job Seekers Act (responsible for the sanctions). He wrote back defending them. That is when he lost my vote. I have since attacked him several times in the local paper and will continue to do so until he is removed at the next election. At the next election I would ask people to bear in mind that the Conservatives introduced the Job Seekers Act/Agreement and Labour introduced the New Deal. When they ask for your vote, remind them of this.

    Blackpool Lad

    June 15, 2009 at 11:41 am

    • Thanks for commenting – it is a very interesting to read up on a universal trend: I am getting to the stage where I might offer an award of some cash sum for someone to tell me just one single provider (even if it is just a sub-contractor) where the experience was positive.

      It can’t all be bad… surely?

      New Deal participants are not legally bound to fill in any forms there or sign any documents other than the referral form and time sheets.

      Of course like YMCA Training, you had no choice and you would have lost your benefits if you stuck up for your rights.

      You are absolutely right – any employer wouldn’t be able to disclose such information anyway.

      Two exceptions of this however:

      1) if they were with you at the time and also signed the agreement or

      2) if the provider contacted them and your employer asked you and you agreed. Most employers would likely just discard the request.

      After I was exited, the training provider knew more about my appointments at the Jobcentre than I did. I found out via them. Remember after being dismissed my *NEW* claim at the Jobcentre had nothing to do with them and they shouldn’t have been told – and – I should have.

      It actually isn’t legit anyway, the sustainable Job Outcome bonus is designed if THEY can get you a job that lasts 3 months or more. If you are in a job say 2 months after the course ended they are NOT entitled to that bonus. This is fraud.

      I wrote to my local MP (Mole) and he has still not got back to me. I suggest (if he is reading this) that he replies ASAP.

      It makes you think… the Jobseekers Act 1995 – it is relatively a new law in comparison – needs to be replaced rather than new legislation change, adding and removing parts from it.

      The problem is regardless if MPs aren’t elected none of them will be unfortunate enough to have to live on the dole. Shame.


      June 15, 2009 at 12:44 pm

  7. There were several people on my New Deal course who were over 50, who had been told by the Job Centre that their participation was mandatory. They were somewhat surprised when I showed them (on the Job Centre website) that their participation was optional. I suggested they make an official complaint (in writing) to the Job Centre manager (I even offered to help them with the letter). In my time there I helped several people with a variety of complaint letters. The response of the training company was to encourage me to apply for a job there. I refused on principle as I am vehemently opposed to what they do.

    The moral of the story is: if you’re unhappy, complain (in writing) and tell them when you expect a reply. This is much more effective than shouting and swearing (though I fully appreciate the frustration). You will be a much bigger thorn in their side and they will be wary of crossing you in future.

    Blackpool Lad

    June 15, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    • I agree. Complaining is the best way, however, don’t expect anything major to come out of it.

      It is very common for the Jobcentre to lie to job seekers and this act is on the increase!

      Perhaps Ipswich Unemployed Action will publish a guide for potential and current claimants of job seeker allowance explaining expectations, rights and responsibilities.

      The problem with this is Jobcentres seem to vary slightly on procedure and of course they get the final say not some manual.


      June 16, 2009 at 6:59 pm

    • I have heard it is best to complain to the District Manager not the Jobcentre Manager or New Deal Manager.

      Simon Rogers

      June 28, 2009 at 3:16 pm

      • The area manager is best but he will just instruct your signing on office to look into it.

        The problem with making a complaint through JCP is that it is handled by the manager of the branch it occurred at so its hardly impartial.

        Complaining wont keep them off your back either, infact after a quiet period they will just come back right at you when the opportunity arises as they dont like being made to look stupid or not in control.

        The interesting thing is, are these recorded?


        February 16, 2012 at 10:49 am

  8. thanks for the information and good luck. Is it legal to record interviews at the job centre with “advisers” with recorders that can be discreetly hidden in the pocket?
    regards john

    john gravis

    June 28, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    • I always record interviews not sure whether it is legal or not. It isnt so much to record them but to record myself for future reference should they claim I said something I didnt as I had previously fallen victim to that before.

      Simon Rogers

      June 28, 2009 at 3:12 pm

      • yes, recording youre interviews does help remembering what you may have said,its just occured to me “how do they remember what we have said,unless of course they can type faster than you can talk!

        john gravis

        June 29, 2009 at 3:26 pm

      • Rumours have it at some jobcentre branches they “bug” some desks.

        I think this is only widespread when interviewed under suspicion of fraud or when an issue with your claim arises.

        Typically, they make up what you said – this is the issue here – even those you speak with on the phone when your call is recorded seem to quote you saying something completely different then what you said.

  9. […] Ipswich Unemployed Action Blog has received 3.5 times more web traffic since reporting the New Deal fraud. […]

    • When you communicate with the JobCentre either by ‘phone or face-to-face a record is made of what has (allegedly) been said. On the JobCentre system it comes under “Conversations”. Under the Data Protection Act you are entitled to a print-out of “Conversations”.

      Raw Deal

      February 18, 2010 at 11:51 pm

      • Yes, good point. They will try their best not to though. It is best not to let them get away with it – you can always question it.

        Watch out for inconsistancies – supervisors/managers can edit the fields… basically backdating allegations.

        It is always best to keep a copy of conversations for >your< own reference!

        Flexible New Deal

        February 19, 2010 at 12:00 am

      • How would I go about getting this information about what was said in a meeting?
        Would I have to make some sort of request in writing to the job centre ?


        February 26, 2010 at 12:50 am

      • I cannot believe the crap these providers come up with,head massaging?

        Computers,engineering is where they need to go and i dont mean microsoft office either you cheap skates.


        January 4, 2013 at 7:45 am

      • IF your voice come back to you or there’s an echo you are bein recorded

        mr x

        February 28, 2013 at 9:48 am

      • poundland now activley recruiting for new non franchise store thru wpp all app clients in my area being nominated [large town suffolk]

        wpp client

        January 16, 2014 at 8:42 am

      • could i request a copy of what is said between myself and the advisers over a long period ?

        andrew truman

        June 11, 2015 at 7:46 pm

  10. If they are interviewing about fraud, just like in a Police interview, they have to caution you first that anything you say can be used in evidence. They should also record the interview (and tell you that they are recording it, with the tape machine clearly visible). You should receive a copy of the tape. I am aware of someone who was tricked into making (and signing) a statement about fraud, whilst not under caution, by a member of Job Centre staff who was not a fraud officer. Guess what, they were then interviewed by fraud officers and the only evidence was their signed statement!

    Just as in a Police interview, ensure you have a solicitor present during your interview. Job Centre staff will probably tell you (off the record) that you don’t need a solicitor and having a solicitor will prolong the process. Before the interview the Job Centre will be required to provide what is known as ‘disclosure’. This is where the solicitor sees the (Job Centre’s) evidence beforehand in order that they can advise you about how to deal with the interview. If the solicitor tells you to answer “No comment” to every question, heed their advice. I am not the biggest fan of the legal profession, but in this situation they have their uses. Also, if someone is unemployed they should be entitled to Legal Aid.

    I look forward to the corrupt politicians being prosecuted for fraud, similarly.

    Blackpool Lad

    July 6, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    • The whole clamping down on benefit fraud issue was generally just a trick in case their expenses scandal came out – it is like shifting the blame from Parliament back on to the people i.e. the adverts etc.

      It is all about being on the right side of the table… two a4e employees (well more then that but just to make it simple), one also claims benefit she isn’t entitled to, the other forged documents etc. on behalf of the company, so the company gained money it wasn’t entitled to, both with around the same amount of money, the benefit fraudster in an individual capacity goes to jail for almost a year, the other employee gets sacked and no further action is taken against that person or the company. Disgusting.

      I can’t see any MP’s being prosecuted – they seem happy just allowing the money to be returned.

  11. I take your point about the (seemingly) endless, nauseating adverts.

    So let’s get this straight. Unemployed people have to live on £60.50 a week. Out of this they have to feed and clothe themselves, have some sort of social life, possibly own a car, which they have to tax, insure, MOT and maintain as well as putting petrol in it. In addition, they have to buy a TV licence. If they have a mortgage, the interest is paid (only the full amount after six months). Housing benefit can usually be claimed, but it doesn’t always cover the rent payable. Doesn’t leave a lot, does it?

    A back-bench MP receives £63,000 a year plus expenses minimum. Cabinet ministers are paid £140,000 a year plus expenses, some get a home thrown in. If any of them lose their seats at a general election, there is a generous compensation package to ensure they don’t have to sign on. They also receive generous pensions.

    My point is: who is most likely to feel the need to fiddle, an unemployed person or a politician? And if it goes to court, who should be punished the hardest, the needy or the greedy? I think we all know the answers to these questions, but British justice doesn’t work like that. Like politics, people’s opinion of British justice is at an all time low. What is needed is to start to redress the problem, starting with those MPs who have claimed expenses for mortgages that have already been paid off. An immediate long prison sentence, together with reclaiming all the proceeds of their criminal behaviour is the minimum acceptable. Personally, I would like to see them publicly flogged in parliament square, to set an example to the others. I won’t hold my breath though. Them being held to account is as likely as Blair being prosecuted over the illegal war in Iraq.

    Blackpool Lad

    July 8, 2009 at 1:18 pm

  12. Has anyone else seen the booklet given out by the Jobcentre called

    A pocket guide to A4E + FND? It’s full of glossy photo’s of multiracial models smiling fake grins, this isn’t what I saw on a YMCA style course. Why don’t they tell the truth, that you’ll be sat in a damp room and treated like sh*t.


    October 26, 2009 at 12:08 am

  13. im about to be put on new deal for the 4th time and its really starting to annoy me im at college at the moment doing a course and now if i cant transfare to night courses they’re going to force me to quit the course. surely their must be something we can do? ive tried writing complaints ive tried the citizens advice beauro im even contemplaiting complaining to my MP. advice anyone?


    November 12, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    • Have you been claiming travel?

      If so were you deducted £4 per week each time you were on the course?

      Flexible New Deal

      November 12, 2009 at 8:47 pm

  14. Best of luck to you. I truly hope you succeed.


    December 10, 2009 at 5:34 am

  15. we are back after wordpress outage.

    my blogs not back yet though 😦 lol

    Flexible New Deal

    February 18, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    • they are all back now – should have left comment earlier – was back within 2 mins after this one.

      Flexible New Deal

      February 18, 2010 at 11:56 pm

  16. how about direct action against reed in partnership? i saw on another website a picket of a4e in scotland

    roy waring

    March 19, 2010 at 11:46 am

    • The thing about these scumbag companies is that we are forced to become “customers” of them, its not like a store in that it would be possible to organise a boycott against them. Still, no harm in making life “uncomfortable” for the traitorous, sell-out pieces of shit that take employment with them.


      March 19, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    • yeah these pieces of shit need to be exposed, one thing they don’t like is BAD PUBLICITY, the more they are shamed the betta.

      Art I Fact

      May 21, 2010 at 11:58 am

  17. Being a “customer” of New Deal is no different than being unable to put the phone down on a double-glazing salesperson. You really just want to tell them to !”£$ Off and walk out but you can’t, unless you can live on nowt.


    March 19, 2010 at 12:22 pm

  18. It would be interesting what would be the reaction of the BA cabin crews, the striking railway workers would be if they were offered the same terms and conditions that New Dealers/Workfare participants are/will be expected to accept. Hmm, I wonder.


    March 19, 2010 at 1:04 pm

  19. Look at the countries A4E does business with. On their website it says proudly working in… All these countries have dubious human rights records. 2nd A4e sometimes put ‘plants’ into training centres to spy on dissent. At certain training centres emails and phone calls are monitered. Their [A4e] business address in sheffield is the old Department Of Employment Complex. New Rules coming in.
    It will be COMPULSORY to attend training centres for 2 day all day job searches in order to get benefit from next april 2011 this will apply after day 1 of signing on. Yes I do have inside info and I am on your side

    A Friend

    May 21, 2010 at 7:13 am

    • Spies are everywhere, who are they spying on? the staff? the client? And who is the spy? A member of staff? Yeah, I can vouch for the fact that these training centres are coming. Training centre is a kind of exaggeration tho, its a network of portakabins that will be slung up, yeah, 2 full days a week from day one of signing. this piece of shit of a country is going to the dogs. we’re all gonna end up shovelling shit for peanuts. the sooner everyone is in this boat the betta.

      Art I Fact

      May 21, 2010 at 11:50 am

  20. Any more inside info A Friend, much appreciated 🙂

    Art I Fact

    May 21, 2010 at 11:51 am

  21. A link on the A4E website takes you to the NEWSPAER Harretz an Isralie Paper published in Tel Aviv. There is an article on A4E.
    Failing that Google Harretz and then in the search bar for their site put A4E

    A Friend

    June 8, 2010 at 2:01 pm

  22. A few days ago I was at a certain training provider here in Ipswich. I walked upto look at one of the vacancy boards as you do {!}. I was not surprised to notice one of the PA’s/Trainers looking at this site. I wonder if any of us are heading for sanctions as they may be trying to trace us. I suggest we may need to think about changing some of our names.

    New Dealer {!)

    June 8, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    • A4e going to implement the “Wisconsin Plan” – Workfare – in Israel!!

      “A4E of Britain has connected with the Israeli firm Aman, and will operate in the Jerusalem area.”



      June 8, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    • Im affraid they do or let me put it this way, their servers do.

      If you want to protect your data which is your right, then indeed you must change your habits.


      If you upload your CV always create bogus account,false name,blar,blar,blar (im sure you already do this one).

      USE AN EMAIL SERVICE THAT SUPPLIES SECURITY. Yahoo,google,live and so forth are not secure email services. Use HUSHMAIL, its FREE and supplies FREE PROTECTION to.

      With HUSHMAIL servers cannot record the data,cannot print.Its only weakness is the login but you can say pop to the library after using it and change it thus resecuring it.

      Get in the practice of putting DPA protection below every email (use signiture) and on every CV. This stops the potential employer from relaying any of your personal and sensitive data to a THIRD PARTY,ANY THIRD PARTY.

      These are all legal practices and do not prevent your chances of employment and infact demonstrates your understanding of the DPA, demonstrating a familiarity for rules and regs, a requirement for any employer who wishes their employees to follow company policy and government regulation.



      PS: Instruct in writing JCP to stop calling out your name when signing on as its a breach of your DPA (two pieces that identify you,first name,last name and of course you standing up ecknowledging it which you wouldnt have had they not breached.)


      January 4, 2013 at 7:36 am

  23. Coalition of social groups form `Wisconsin Watch’ to scrutinize jobs program


    This really shows up these cunts for what they are!!


    June 8, 2010 at 2:23 pm

  24. Look at the picture of Emma Harrison on the Annaraccon link.
    Does her smile remind you of anybody ?. Cherri Blair ?.


    June 14, 2010 at 12:10 pm

  25. Just signed off. Different today at JCP. It was all done on the phone. Press button K. Then they sent me to the council they sent me back to JCP. Back Again to council. This time used internal phone to get department I wanted. 3 Bloody Hours of runing around and waiting. Still got more forms to fill in though. They are in the post.

    Philip Brown

    June 17, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    • Dreadful! I used the paper form method to avoid this nonsense but still had some problems.

      I guess the only difference is the cost – the hassle would be both the same.

      Flexible New Deal

      June 17, 2010 at 4:48 pm

  26. Dencora Detention Centre. Maybe somebody should 1 day call the HSE [Health And Saftey]and let them know what is going on. I could be in line for DDC. If anybody can can you take mobile phone photos or are phones banned too [ a valuable job search tool] YMCA is a CHRISTIAN CHARITY. It Seems that there is NOTHING ‘christian’ about their behaviour. Sally Smith the manager has the right initials SS. The last lot of ‘SS’ came unstuck in a bunker albeit in Berlin nearly 70 odd years ago now.

    Dencora Dissident

    June 18, 2010 at 10:21 am

    • Sally Smith the manager has the right initials SS. The last lot of ‘SS’ came unstuck in a bunker albeit in Berlin nearly 70 odd years ago now.

      haha, you have made my day… (unless England performs tonight)

      Are you saying Sally Smith is the devil? (And that Dencora House Detention Centre is hell?)

      Flexible New Deal

      June 18, 2010 at 11:32 am

  27. Hi Flexible New Deal. Wonder if Sally Smith and Emma Harrison {A4E are both related}. Come to think of it I think they were in panto last year THE UGLY SISTERS

    dencora dissident

    June 18, 2010 at 11:57 am

  28. Hi Flex New Deal.

    Wonder if Sally Smith and Emma Harrison {a4/e) will be in panto again this year. The ugly sisters ?

    Dencora Dissident

    June 18, 2010 at 11:59 am

  29. Hello

    Would anyone be interested in hearing my account of how Working Links is now using NLP (i.e hypnotism to get the unemployed to be more compliant?


    July 1, 2010 at 11:44 am

  30. I don’t live in Ipswich but finding decent refuges of help for people benefits is very hard. Does anyone know anywhere I can get some advice (not the CAB, i tried them they couldn’t help) with my ESA situation. I’m owed 13 days worth of money which they are witholding because my new medical note seems to have not arrived and they won’t post the payment until then. I can’t get a replacement note any easier becauyse the dr is on holiday (the others are snowed under) and i couldn’t get one any quicker than last monday because the dr is again really busy. I now have no money to live on and next week, no food to eat. I’ve complained to ESA over and over and all I get is a snotty incompetent line manager who refuses to help. I’ve asked to speak to the processing department who were more helpful when i had similar problems at the beginning of the claim, but i can’t get through to them without going through her and no response yet. I’m really at my wits end.


    July 1, 2010 at 4:12 pm

  31. Depends if he can sort it out quick enough. I’m short 13 days worth of ESA because the system holds all the payment for a period if you can’t cover the entire 14 days. They don’t tell you this then leave you high and dry.


    July 1, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    • Crisis loan?


      July 1, 2010 at 5:22 pm

      • dont live near a jobcentre so i cant afford to collect it. I had this conversation with the crisi loans people when i first claimed ESA after the same line manager told me i had to send a replacement med cert. She gave me a cick and bull story about how paperwork would take weeks. The processing people already had the note and she had no clue.


        July 1, 2010 at 5:59 pm

  32. wishface

    Sorry to hear about your predicumant, Though I’ve never been in your situation the only thing I can think off is try ringing round some of those disabled organisations disabled transport/comunity transport scemes in your area (or if totaly desperate I would even contemplate ringing round some local churchs/mosques etc to see if they might give you a lift, but pretty much last resort with my views on the subject) explaining your situation. Stressing you didn’t let your certificate lapse you sent if off in good time and its now lost in the post, explain you can’t get another certificate till next monday earliest and all your money has run out and you need to get to the jobcentre to collect a crisis loan could they give you a lift on this one occasion so you can suvive?(you might not be disabled but you are on the sick unfit for work penniless and desperate so I think they may say yes (I would)

    Then arrange an appointment to pick up a crisis loan, problem may be they only give you a fortnights loan which will be a lot lesss than benefit so you need to somehow figure out how you can get back again for another crisis loan if your ESA isn’t back by then? might be worth explaining the problem again when you ring up for this crisis loan.

    I would also try contacting your council and explain the situation and how you got in it through no fault of your own and see if there are any food banks in your area, handy if you could tie this in with the trip to pick up the crisis loan if in same town?

    These are just ideas but when you realy are desperate anythings worth a try.

    Lowestoft's Finest

    July 1, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    • Fortunately the ESA processing department sorted it out – in direct contradiction to what the ESA telephone department said. The lesson here: don’t take what the call centre idiots tell you. I’ve been lied to on serious levels regarding my benefit by these people.


      July 3, 2010 at 10:20 am

  33. HI.
    Have heard a rumour regrding ESA. I have heard that there are plans to put JSA advisors into Dr surgeries to speak to those who are on benefits and are sigining as sick, also to advise those that are working and are siging sick as to what their options are. Looks like a case if true of YOU AIN’T SICK TILL WE SAY YOU ARE. We shall but wait and see

    FND Dissident

    July 15, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    • I hadn’t heard that but it sounds likely since our new governement have made no secret of the fact they want to shift 1.7m ESA claimants onto jSA to save money.

      Funny A4e Photos

      July 17, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    • FND Dissident

      I had heard the same thing ages back under the last government it was Neo-Labour idea as they were also aiming at a crack down on the “abuse” of sick notes by those in work (somehow I doubt if this included MP’s or Lords)? So much for Labour sticking up for the Workers.

      It’s already a case of “YOU AIN’T SICK TILL WE SAY YOU ARE” becouse despite being put on the sick by their GP’s, and getting accompanying letters declaring so from their GP’s as well as genuine conditions that even Mr. Magoo couldn’t fail to recogniise, the ex governments ATOS panel have declared everybody I know who was on the sick “Fit for work” everytime so they were all dumped back on the JSA Circus.

      Lowestoft's Finest

      July 17, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    • Although i suspect their motives people like me, living in rural communities, need a better way of interacting with this stupid system. It’s really stressfl having to fork out and travel to appointments at jobcentres. In fact it means people who have to meet travel expenses to sign on receive a lower rate of benefit because travel expenses are non-refundable.
      I have a medical in two weeks and ATOS won’t refund my travel expenses there and then. I have to give them my bank details and go without (impossible) until they put the money back into my account. This is a huge problem. I’d much rather have the medical at my local surgery which is a short walk away. In fact I’d rather have the medical performed by that guy that signed me off in the first place, you know…a trained objective doctor.


      July 18, 2010 at 7:31 am

  34. You may like to know that I know of 3 people that live close to me that are currently on ESA.
    They have had appointments with their respective GP’s, The hospital, and been sent to see RIP and ATOS. According to these people, the DWP and RIP and of course ATOS they are fit to work. All 3 have lodged appeals, and again have hospital appointments. They still are required to see RIP once a month until appeals come through and then they either pass or fail and are back at RIP


    July 18, 2010 at 9:16 am

    • I know someone whose appeal took for ever.

      Andrew Coates

      July 18, 2010 at 9:37 am

      • You can claim ESA during the appeal, provided you supply sick notes. Maybe taking forever isn’t such a bad thing!

        Gallows humour, i think they call it.

        I have a medical next week. I doubt I’ll pass, but i’m really stressing about travelling and waiting. This whole system stinks.

        If eveyrone en mass refused to attend their medical, things would have to change.


        July 21, 2010 at 9:58 am

  35. Type “Ipswich un” in google and it will suggest “Ipswich Unemployed Action” 😛

    Flexible New Deal

    August 9, 2010 at 9:02 am

    • Flexi, I just tried “Ipswich un” in Google but nothing happend so I increased it to “Ipswich une” and sure enough I got “Ipswich Unemployed Action” and “Ipswich Unemployed Rate”.

      Lowestoft's Finest

      August 9, 2010 at 9:19 am

      • Probably varies… I am not logged in (I dont have an account) but I had previously searched for the phrase a month back so could be why.

        It also varies on browser and whether you use the .com or .co.uk site I believe.

        Flexible New Deal

        August 9, 2010 at 9:41 am

  36. 5


    November 3, 2010 at 9:22 am

  37. Hi guys and gurls I thought I would post a link to this as this site shows some promise


    November 15, 2010 at 12:54 pm

  38. It would be great if people from your group could make it to the Defend Welfare gathering in London on 23rd October – hoping to help link groups and campaigns like our up!


    Boycott Workfare

    October 13, 2011 at 3:11 pm

  39. Update:
    Have now received a letter from A4e advising me that thay have raised a sanction doubt for Non attendence at first meeting. This is in spite of the fact that that I wrote to them twice and phoned them once to explain the reason for my non attendance. The reason? I was at the Job Centre fulfilling an appointment there and can’t be in two places at once. A4e managed to double book me in spite of knowing my signing on details! I’ve complained (again) and this time am complaining to JCP as well. Obviously I’ll be fighting the threatened sanction. Where do these people get off? Let’s see if we can get some complaints through to the ICE and hit these bastards where it hurts – in their pocket.
    Does anyone know the background to the difficulties in accessing the work programme.org website?


    October 20, 2011 at 7:46 am

    • Hopefully a Decision Maker will understand and not let it pass being merely a “sanction doubt”.

      Noooo… Actually I do! This week having major problems with the backend server. I have disabled the front-end cache server which would allow some pages to remain available but obviously the cache server puts load on the backend server.

      This was intended to be temporary but seems to be ongoing forever. The fault first occurred Sunday evening. It has never been down for more than half a day before.

      Trying my best to ensure no data loss. We have backups but there is a lot of content which dont make it to the weekly backup.

      I am weighing up the options whether to recover it or call it a day as planned closure 31/12/2011 quite some time away but heading closer. By now Google have probably dropped the site from the web index – this is where we get most of our traffic from. I am sure it still will show up in Google until the site emerges. (experience from NDS)

      I am hoping it will be sorted by the weekend. The main problem is the host doesn’t currently have a remote reboot feature… you can obviously reboot by the server (if it was responding) and by hardware reset (but i dont have access to the datacentre… )

      Work Programme

      October 20, 2011 at 8:35 am

  40. All technobabble to me I’m afraid! I just feared that you had been attacked/taken down somehow. Please keep the site going in some format it really does provide an invaluable service. Off now to sign on amd hand deliver my comlaint agsinst A4e.


    October 20, 2011 at 8:52 am

    • It might be due to an attack which seems rather likely due to nothing changed/installed for it to go wrong. Could be a misconfiguration or fault however.

      Thanks for your kind words – I intended to make the current site read only for 2012 and launch a forum for people to discuss issues etc. instead.

      Work Programme

      October 20, 2011 at 11:19 am

  41. I have been trying to access the main site since tuesday and although it appears in the google list it is still unavailable. I guess many are not aware of getting in touch using this site so let’s hope the problem is soon fixed.
    I’m due in to working links today for another work programme appointment and I should get the day and date of my meeting with the manager to discuss my complaints.
    We have to keep the information for people available online so it’s important your main site is back up and running otherwise we will all have to create thousands of free sites in the hope of people getting the info they need.


    October 21, 2011 at 9:38 am

  42. Duly delivered my written complaint and also quietly ranted on about A4e (just loudly and clearly enough for others to hear). I then got to speak to line manager. She was very reasonable. Did not seem at all surprised to get a complaint about A4e and when I asked if they received many such I was told “You may say that but I couldn’t possibly comment” ’nuff said, She also suggested that I write to my MP. I have done this but don’t hold your breath as he’s a Tory cabinet minister. I await A4e’s response to my complaint as well as JC+’s.
    All in all quite therapeutic. Now to attend my rearranged “about you” interview with the delighful A4e (2 weeks to go).
    A useful site for contacting your MP is:
    It saves the cost of a stamp!


    October 21, 2011 at 1:13 pm

  43. The fact that the WPN site has been attacked gives some indication of the governments’ utter contempt for the unemployed gaining, sharing and exchanging information, it also does not believe that they have the right to receive support and impartial advice or the truth, for obvious reasons. I finally recieved my reply from the ICO a couple of days ago concerning my complaint to them about the DWP and their breach of sharing information under the ‘Data Protection Act’. It was the template response I expected but there was no mention of the ‘personal sensitive information’ aspect which I may have to write to them again asking for them to clarify exactly how that it is not a breach according to their laws. Quite interestingly though they began their letter by apologising for the delay in responding stating the reason as being ‘due to the large volume of cases received by this office’ which is encouraging as that means that people have been inspired via WPN to complain and show that they are not going to allow this government or any in the future to treat the people who they are supposed to represent like commodities with a price tag. For that reason alone I hope and I am sure I speak for many more thousands (and counting) of people that we are really grateful for what the ‘Work Programme Network’ has achieved in such a short space of time and hope it is up and running again as soon as possible and retained all its database, if not in the original form then in some other because although it seems it has become, (temporarily I hope) a victim of its own success it is nevertheless still a success.
    Also Rob I think you are right about people not knowing about communicating via this site as I was only aware of it due to the fact that WPN commented about this site inspiring them/he/she to set up workprogramme.org.uk on the comments page in the early days of the site.


    October 22, 2011 at 2:18 pm

  44. WPN (workprogramme.org.uk and unlawfulsanctions.org.uk etc.) will be back very shortly I hope (can’t believe its almost been a week! Although a small bit of uptime occurred on Tuesday and Wednesday).

    Some websites are available still like refusewp.com (shortly will have a new improved look and information on there) aka Refuse the Work Programme.

    Due to major difficulties with the main websites, we have felt we have let everyone down. I know this is annoying for many as the main workprogramme.org.uk website is scheduled for closure at the end of the year.

    Work Programme

    October 23, 2011 at 9:29 am

    • RefuseWP.com is now back up – went down a little earlier to transfer webserver.

      Work Programme

      October 23, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    • workprogramme.org.uk will take a while longer due to a large database, loads of custom coding and htaccess config settings, gigabytes of files such as local caching.

      Work Programme

      October 23, 2011 at 7:43 pm

  45. Unlawful Sanctions is now back up!!

    workprogramme.org.uk will hopefully be up by tonight also.

    The rest will follow.

    Work Programme

    October 24, 2011 at 5:55 pm

  46. Great website. Keep up the good work. We unemployed workers and disabled have a common enemy and should unite. The government is not doing its job if it is not providing an minimum income for everyone.


    November 5, 2011 at 1:03 am

  47. To Alan Coates: ‘Intenseactivity’ is only one out of two websites in the UK that is giving people the opportunity to talk about the unjust attacks on UK welfare. Since you have made this website through WordPress, you can make the following changes to make it more usable:
    1. Ratings / Ratings Setup / Comments / Enable for comments
    2. Appearance / Widgets / Search
    3. Top Rated / Show for Comments / Quantity: 10
    4. Recent Comments / Quantity 10


    November 15, 2011 at 7:11 pm



    November 15, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    • I work in a small private establishment where two clowns from a Jobcentre marketing team coerced the boss into taking on Jobseekers under this “academy” scheme. The main attraction was it was work which would cost him nothing. The first did two weeks and was expected to get there using his own money. He had to fight the Jobcentre for help with travel costs. The second was there eight weeks. Neither was told of the one week cooling off period by Jobcentre staff. Both were threatened with sanctions to their benefits.

      These people worked all the hours under the sun for nothing whatsoever and unbelievably were even told off in front of other staff and members of the public when their “work” wasn’t up to scratch. Neither found work through this work experience and it was simply forced labour.

      Unbelievably, these staff were not required to go through things like Health and Safety, Food Hygiene or CRB checks though everyone else who works there is. Seems in the rush to press gang the unemployed, these things are being totally ignored by the Jobcentre but at what risk to customers and staff? Also the question of insurance for accidents in the workplace is conveniently ignored; what happens to a Jobseeker who is injured in the workplace whilst on work experience? Who is liable? The “employer?” The Jobcentre?

      What gets me riled in someone is making money from this and I have no doubt the large corporations favoured by Government are simply farming Jobseekers out then reaping fees for every one placed. It’s not even as if they are removed from the Unemployed register for the period of work experience, no such pretence. It is blatant and relentless.

      Cleetus Awreetus

      November 16, 2011 at 4:23 pm

  49. I e mailed Public Interest Lawyers (the people who are fighting MWA) and asked if the same legal arguments applied to the CAP. This was the reply:
    Thank you for your message of support. Yes – I think the same arguments could be made re CAP. At the moment we have not been approached by anyone wishing to challenge that, but it seems like there would be an arguable case.


    Jim Duffy


    Public Interest Lawyers

    Eight Hylton Street



    W: http://www.publicinterestlawyers.co.uk

    T: +44 (0) 121 515 5069

    F: +44 (0) 121 515 5129

    So I think anyone who has been mandated on to CAP should contact Mr. Duffy


    November 18, 2011 at 3:54 pm

  50. more info:
    The trailblazers in Derbyshire; Lincolnshire, Rutland & Nottinghamshire; East Anglia; and Leicestershire & Northamptonshire, will identify around 16,000 eligible claimants (those who have completed FND). DWP will randomly allocate them to either

    ■the Community Action Programme
    ■Ongoing Case Management activity or
    ■the control group (normal JCP support).

    The allocation cannot be changed and participation is mandatory. The Ongoing Case Management offers increased adviser interventions, more frequent jobsearch reviews and interventions, and more proactive marketing of existing support eg Flexible Support Fund to improve the take up.
    So if you are in the CPA (contract package areas) mentioned above and you have “graduated” from FND look forward to some “Special Treatment” (as the Nazis would say). I expect to be one of the 16000 Guinea pigs. It’s just random which gas chamber you get sent to. Anyone allocated to CAP should contact Mr. Duffy asap.


    November 18, 2011 at 5:17 pm

  51. What dwp and work programne runners want to rember, its a game of two halfs we play there half between 9 and 5 then my my half the game second half 5 at night to 9 in the morning two sides to every game dont u say work programmers ?


    November 30, 2011 at 12:31 am

  52. From the Indus site:
    “It looks like at least one prime may be having money problems. Starting this week one of the East of England providers is refusing to pay travel expenses to people on the Work Programme who visit their centre for less than two hours.”
    Does anyone know anything more? Surely this is contrary to their contract with the DWP?


    December 9, 2011 at 3:37 pm

  53. The pimps seem to be getting the hang of how powerful the data protection act can be, This from the Indus delta site:
    “Submitted by retread on Tue, 27/12/2011 – 12:46pm.
    Claimants only have to ‘show’ Providers a copy of their CV, they do not have to use the DWP’s or Provider’s job brokerage service if they don’t want to. Providers do have to ask the claimant for permission to contact prospective employers. In short, the claimant is correct in quoting the Data Protection Act.

    Login or register to post comments.Submitted by Ally on Tue, 27/12/2011 – 1:29pm.
    @retread Oh well no way to overcome the Data Protection Act? Can claimants refuse to give Providers their mobile number or email address…..? If the Provider has their mobile number and email address from the DWP can they refuse to allow the Provider to telephone or email them under this Act????”

    Well I can tell Ally that the short answer is that a claimant can refuse to provide pimps with phone numbers and e mail addresses (I have!), Since I got the JC to delete them from their record before giving info to the pimp, the pimp now only knows my address and can only communicate by letter. I would have put this on the indus site but was banned from it some time ago!
    I have also refused to give either a soft or hard copy of my CV. Though I have shown it to the pimps to save time (contact details were redacted from that copy!).
    Everyone should refuse to sign the data waiver.


    December 27, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    • The Data Protection Act is your friend – DO NOT sign the data sharing waivers! Mission accomplished 🙂

      Mission Impossible:DPA Protocol

      December 27, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    • Select Weapon: Data Protection Act 1998
      Inaction: Do not sign data sharing waivers
      Outcome: Work Programme Nuked
      Collateral Damage: Advisers’ Bonus


      December 30, 2011 at 1:04 pm

      • It amazes me after all this time that providers are still trying the same sad tricks to con you out of your rights. its equally amazing that claimants on the scheme are unaware that even if they dont the providers can still get around it.

        How you ask?

        Well, how many people add data protection to their letters,emails and even CV’s despite the commercial world including such names as Engeus and A4E doing it all day, everyday. The answer is not many i suspect.

        If this isnt done then their is nothing stopping say Engeus for example contacting a prospective employer and them giving out your info purely as you have set no data protection controls on anything you have sent.

        Heres a thought
        How many times have you given out your details to your local pizza parlour without any thought as to where it might go next?

        Many people working or not simply dont realise how open to abuse their details are when they fail to implement their rights through the correct use of the law.


        February 15, 2012 at 3:17 pm

  54. It would appear that customers are not the only ones being shafted by the providers! This letter http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/jan/13/work-programme-contract-providers from an employee of a charity sub contracting says it all.
    I have no sympathy because the charity chose to become involved in a commercial enterprise (the WP) but seem to have been inept at negotiating the right deal with the prime. They should have walked away and had nothing to do with the WP. I wonder hopw many others are in the same boat?


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  57. Don’t see how to start a new thread!

    Channel 4 news gives preview of “abysmal” WP stats focussing on 10 month performance figures for A4greed:


    June 28, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    • A post has been done.

      You wonder how people managed to get jobs before these wonderful people came along.

      Er….they did.

      Andrew Coates

      June 29, 2012 at 10:17 am

    • Yes, even the Daily Mail carries the same story:


      The first of the Mail readers comments on this report is spot on:

      “Anyone with an ounce of common-sense would have realized these companies could not meet the targets and that A4E etc probably realized this when they tendered for the contracts. It doesn’t matter what schemes are cooked up to give the impression of government action or to massage the unemployment figures, you cannot get blood out of a stone. You cannot put people in jobs when those already in work are being downsized left, right and centre. To Mesrs IDS, Grayling and the rest: stop with the gimmicks and PR, stop dishing out taxpayers’ money to scam artists and DO start putting money into creating real jobs by getting growth in the economy instead of filling the boots of the likes of Emma Harrison”.


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  61. Please remember this,When you cant find Whats not there. and its all your fault…YOU PAY THER WAGES, whether it be the DWP and/or private sector WP advisor..Who would take a job where the greater your sucsess..the quicker your demise..Unless you took the job knoing that there would never a demise…I always look em in the eye and always will…COS I PAY THERE WAGES….


    December 24, 2012 at 1:49 am

  62. AM 50 ive worked since i was 14 mostly, with my hands and on the land…My A4e courses nxt year are Indian head massage I live in lincs.. aint a lot of indians in lincs.. but the best is PAINTING with GLASS …..My A4e advisor informs me..its meant to be theraputic…I tell my advisor that if he puts my name down for it…then he will be needing the therapy..Dont let em get you down..


    December 24, 2012 at 2:32 am

  63. I have come to the conclusion that we all dont complain enough,clearly we are all unhappy so i think its high time we all start filling out those complaints forms.Dont worry if its something small,like they say their there to listen if you think the service is failing you.

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  65. leveller I would like to add to your post, the public do not only pay for the jobs at dwp but also pay for both national and local government, atos etc etc, none of which are acting in the interests of the sick and the unemployed

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  67. With what they have currently done i cant see a payout coming yet but at this stage whats important is governments admission or reluctance to admit not following protocol. No court appeal i can see will reverse this but im sure their try so lets hope the defenders are up to scratch as only a fool would miss this obvious fact so its so important everyone knows.

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    February 13, 2013 at 7:30 pm

  68. bedoom tax..if u have a spare room and let it out to a lodger and they are unemployed will the lodger claim the housing benefit for there room and give it to me?So now i have an income which i need to declare when signing on..I would also lose my 25% discount that i get for living alone.. Will the goverment notify my son in afghanastan and tell him he can”t come home anymore cos his dad has rented out his room due to being under occupied…Will the gov notify the kids who i give occasional respite to or their parents who just need a break…will the gov tell my 80 year old dad that their is no point on him getting on the train and traveling 300+ miles to spend xmas with his son..IT ISNT A SPARE ROOM. ITS MY GUESTS DIGNITY AND I WORKED OVER 25 YEARS TO PAY FOR IT…


    February 28, 2013 at 1:27 am

  69. I found that I had inadvertently taped an interview where the advisor insinuates threatening behaviour on my part and is heard twice to call me a man beater. This evidence is deemed by the provider to be inadmissible and is regarded as unsolicited mail. On terminating the interview because of this I was later found to have failed participation in a work related activity. Notification of this failure was given 33 days after the event and related my absence at the appointment where the interview took place. I had to provide a reason within 5 working days as to why I did not participate and this presumably consequent upon my absence. What else? Of course, with respect to my absence at the appointment no such reason existed. I was there. The evidence confirms it. Anyway, to cut a long story short, the reason offered as to why I failed to participate surely is consequent upon my notified absence and therefore external whereas the reason that should have been asked for with regard to my presence at the appointment is internal. Yet a sanction is upheld in relation to this external reason and in my view bonkers.

    Charles Russell

    March 1, 2013 at 11:09 am

  70. I have said this many times so plese listen up as im tired of repeating myself. The behaviour that was recorded is whats legally known as an abuse of power and position. Abuse is a criminal offence.

    Judges will often entertain a recording sort without permission as to put it a simple way,How does the verbally abused wife prove such.

    Once you remind them of this you will see a change in their often smug faces.

    So take this recording and report the offence outlined above, you might find they try (only so they dont have to deal with it to state the same claim this provider did,reaffirm what i have said above if the case).

    Two can can play at doing someone for as stated external non compliance.


    March 1, 2013 at 11:24 am

    • GAIA.
      Would it be legal to take a ”dictaphone” with you to your provider and TELL THEM you will be recording all conversations and dialouge for your protection etc. After all. THEY DO whern you phone them.

      Mr Middlesex

      March 1, 2013 at 11:45 am

      • Yes Gaia. It’s perfectly legal to record with or without telling them what you are doing. If you tell them that you are recording they then have a responsibility to ensure privacy – not for you but to ensure that other conversations aren’t inadvertently recorded. (according to DWP Provider guidance).


        March 1, 2013 at 11:53 am

      • First up, if they were so concerned about privacy as you say then why do they break it the moment they call your name out infront of eveyone, why allow you to make phone calls inhouse knowing both people and on occassion that security is standing by next to it, why if you ring up to make a claim take personal information over an unsecured line.

        Under the DPA personal information is such when two indentifing marks are used, both forename and surname are considered as two marks and lets not forget the security questions that can be easliy over heard providing further unwarranted personal information.

        The privacy act like DPA is exempt when criminal behaviour is afoot. The truth is they dont know law and are probably to lazy to (it involves reading over in some cases 100 pages of legal speak). They get a line from upstairs as so to speak and run with it. What they quote is, trust me on this not law, its an explaination in part.

        Take when you state you dont want them passing on your information to third parties, they will quote section 3 of the social security act like in the case of the work programme. its actually section 3 subparapgrah 2 in reference to sections 122C and 122D. Ask your advisor next time (dont let him go off and read) what is section 122C and D of the act or if you want a real laugh just ask how many pages is their within the act (112).

        Its all very well spouting laws you choose to hide behind, it doesnt mean they are correct or in some cases even legally enforcable such in the case of using the Privacy act to try and stop you recording as i clearly outlined you are exempt if you believe that a crime is in progress. Abuse of power and position constitutes as crime. convenient dont you think they left that part out.

        I hope this answers your question Mr Middlesex


        March 1, 2013 at 3:24 pm

  71. In October last year I decided to find out what information A4greed held about me. Now I knew that if I submitted a Subject Access Request to them directly they would respond with a demand for a £10 fee, 2 items of ID to be sent to them and a 7 page form to be filled in (thus giving them even more data to peddle!). To avoid this I made the SAR to the DWP (as the data controller) and specified that the SAR included information held by A4greed as their data processor.
    After some delaying tactics on their part the DWP provided me with a print out from their system – all well and good but nothing from A4greed. I complained to the DWP. I then received a communication from A4greed asking for a £10 fee, completed form and 2 items of ID!. I did not complete the A4greed form but instead complained to the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO).
    Out of the blue I received a further communication from the DWP enclosing print outs from the A4greed system. There was a grudging apology that these had somehow been overlooked in their first response. I assumed that the ICO had spoken to the DWP and had a “quiet word” about their obligation as Data Controller. As an aside I do not believe that the A4greed data is complete but that is by the by.
    Today I have received a long letter from the ICO.
    Here are a few highlights:
    “On the basis of all of the information provided by you and the DWP, we have decided that it is unlikely that DWP has complied with the requirements of the DPA in this case”
    “From the information provided the DWP should have taken steps to ensure that they had fully complied with your subject access request including making sure their data processor A4e had provided all their information in response to your request.
    Although the DWP has explained they have spoken to you (they haven’t but have written) to apologise for the mix up we will remind them in our response of their responsibilities to ensure that future subject access requests are fully complied with.”

    So just a “ticking off” for the DWP this time.

    So if you want to know what your pimp has on you (without paying for it or providing ID) do a SAR to the DWP and specify that you want All information whether held on computer or paper including copy correspondence, e=mails, notes of meeting and telephone conversations.

    Should keep them busy.


    March 28, 2013 at 3:35 pm

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    September 12, 2013 at 9:48 pm


    I am currently in receipt of Unemployment Benefit and so sign-on with the local Job centre in Bury Lancashire. I have been sending out CV to employers so some two years of being unemployed. At my last signing I was informed by the Job Advisor that the Universal Job Match computer has not

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    January 15, 2014 at 9:16 pm

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