Ipswich Unemployed Action.

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Unemployed to be Sentenced to Unpaid Work.

Future Dole Queue.

The BBC says,

Long-term benefit claimants could be forced to do compulsory manual labour under proposals being put forward by the government, it has emerged.

More Here.

Unemployed told: do four weeks of unpaid work or lose your benefits

The unemployed will be ordered to do periods of compulsory full-time work in the community or be stripped of their benefits under controversial American-style plans to slash the number of people without jobs.

The proposals, in a white paper on welfare reform to be unveiled this week, are part of a radical government agenda aimed at cutting the £190bn-a-year welfare bill and breaking what the coalition now calls the “habit of worklessness”.

The measures will be announced to parliament by the work and pensions secretary, Iain Duncan Smith, as part of what he will describe as a new “contract” with the 1.4 million people on jobseekers’ allowance. The government’s side of the bargain will be the promise of a new “universal credit”, to replace all existing benefits, that will ensure it always pays to work rather than stay on welfare.

In return, where advisers believe a jobseeker would benefit from experiencing the “habits and routines” of working life, an unemployed person will be told to take up “mandatory work activity” of at least 30 hours a week for a four-week period. If they refuse or fail to complete the programme their jobseeker’s allowance payments, currently £50.95 a week for those under 25 and £64.30 for those over 25, could be stopped for at least three months.

The Department for Work and Pensions plans to contract private providers to organise the placements with charities, voluntary organisations and companies. An insider close to the discussions said: “We know there are still some jobseekers who need an extra push to get them into the mindset of being in the working environment and an opportunity to experience that environment.

“This is all about getting them back into a working routine which, in turn, makes them a much more appealing prospect for an employer looking to fill a vacancy, and more confident when they enter the workplace. The goal is to break into the habit of worklessness.”

Sanctions – including removal of benefit – currently exist if people refuse to go on training courses or fail to turn up to job interviews, but they are rarely used.

The plans stop short of systems used in the US since the 1990s under which benefits can be “time limited”, meaning all payments end after a defined period. But they draw heavily on American attempts to change public attitudes to welfare and to change the perception that welfare is an option for life.

More Here.

Questions: What ‘advisers’ are going to be in charge of the sentencing process? what ‘Charities’ and voluntary groups are going to run these chain gangs along with private firms? What rights will those sentenced have?

Above all: what difference will there be between those condemned to do this community work and those sentenced by the courts to do community service?

The model is Wisconsin in the USA.

Introduced in 1997 the  programme of Workfare has been found a “total failure” – here.

The American Unemployment rate in 1997 was 5.30%

In 2010 October it  was 9,6% (Here)

Thanks to all who have already signaled this in the IUA comments.

Written by Andrew Coates

November 7, 2010 at 10:39 am

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  1. 30 x 5 x 4 = 600 hours. Exactly TWICE the MAXIMUM amount of Community Punishment that a Court is allowed to dish out.

    Expo

    November 7, 2010 at 10:52 am

    • Yes, exactly.

      I am very happy to hear of this news. Not because I am pro-workfare, I am not, but this was long kept quiet about in the ins and outs of the Tories offering for the unemployed.

      It was the same old sh*t… “passive receivers” and “benefit cheats”… in their Manifesto they revealed about their plans of the Work Programme… since then and now – over half a year – no further details were revealed.

      Whereas I am not saying the unemployed should accept this proposal with open arms (I did anticipate the period would be longer than 4 weeks… unless this is completely unrelated and the Work Programme will consist of 6 months workfare element still) … Flexible New Deal currently has a Mandatory Work Related Action period of, yes, 4 weeks!

      New Deal had a longer period (if “lucky” enough to get a placement) of 4 days a week.

      The only concern which was raised under Labour’s Work for Your Benefit scheme is whether participants can be SOLD to businesses. Under the proposed Labour plans they were allowed to do so.

      We must find out whether this will be allowed, as this is a “loop hole” for Government to spend less when the providers know they can recoup via such system by allowing providers to access funding from the “back door” – or simply put allow enterprise to buy staff below the NMW.

      Work Programme

      November 7, 2010 at 5:29 pm

      • I don’t get this either – where does this fit into the “Work Programme”, like schedule wise?

        Sine270

        November 7, 2010 at 5:36 pm

      • I’m not sure if this doing meaningless tasks is what this is all about, or even what the Government, and definitely not what the private sector want. The Private sector (providers) envisage themselves as middle-men (recruitment agencies) receiving a stream of labour from the Jobcentre plus which they can then “sell” to private companies/contractors/councils. Next stage of the game will be to make the labour force more “mobile” i.e. they will be “forced” to move up and down the country/within EU/abroad. Then whatever work that needs to be done will be concentrated in particular geographical areas, all-in-one facilities which the labour force will be compelled to move to. If it was just “picking up litter” it wouldn’t be so bad.

        Sine270

        November 7, 2010 at 5:43 pm

      • Well, I have a website pending (“to be launched”) to name and shame any businesses which take on workfare participants for their gain.

        As for this idea and the Work Programme… this could be in the period prior to being referred to the Work Programme.

        The likely truth is the con-servatives are unaware of how to implement this.

        Or perhaps they are testing the water and engaging the reaction!!

        Work Programme

        November 7, 2010 at 7:00 pm

      • Well, here is a few bogey companies for the list to get started:

        Tesco
        Asda
        Wilkinson
        Farmfoods
        Poundland
        IG Farben
        Organisation Todt

        Rear View

        November 10, 2010 at 11:56 am

  2. Long-term benefit claimants could be forced to do compulsory manual labour?

    The unemployed will be ordered to do periods of compulsory full-time work in the community or be stripped of their benefits?

    That is the case already.

    ariversideview

    November 7, 2010 at 10:57 am

  3. Right wing Duncan-Smith is at it again. He is an extreme right wing socio-path who hates poor people and the working and lower classes. Right wing Duncan-Smith has always wanted to express his hatred and now the liberals have given him the excuse to try and implement Nazi type eugenics upon the poor, who the Tories have always hated. The Tories have always hated the poor and the working classes in their belief in eugenics and this is part of Tory political genetics, it is part of their world view, it is part of their race hate. Eugenics has been there in everything they do, and their inherent hatred of the poor because they believe that the working classes pose a threat against their greedy life styles.
    The working classes have been seen as a different “race” by the Victorians and the right wing, this belief can be seen in the works of D.H. Lawrence, Thomas Hardy, Virgina Woolfe, H.G. Wells, G.B. Shaw and the whole gamut of political literature that has eugenics at the heart of a grotesque world view that led to the Nazis in Germany, and the death camps, and the work camps for all their ” enemies ” to be used for labour. Sounds familiar about Duncan-Smiths forced labour to the unemployed.
    Ideas permeate in ways that people don’t understand if they are ignorant, but we are told that Duncan-Smith has spent years developing this ideological programme for the working classes. PURE HATRED.
    Duncan-Smith is a “good old fashioned ” right wing eugenicist who believes that the working classes are a “different” race, and should be controlled, punished and victimised. He is using the state apparatus to expose his extreme racist politics. The people must vote this right wing regime out, and very soon.

    language and genes

    November 7, 2010 at 11:18 am

    • led to the Nazis in Germany, and the death camps, and the work camps for all their ” enemies ” to be used for labour 🙂

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_Todt

      Fritz Todt

      November 7, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    • When Ian Duncan Smith’s wife was idle, he got her to work for him at the taxpayer’s expense. Newsnight described his expense claims regarding his wife as ‘dubious’. We also wonder whether Mr Duncan Smith would recommend job seekers to claim they had a degree when they didn’t as he did when claimed that he had attended the University of Perugia when he had in fact attended the Università per Stranieri, which did not grant any degrees at that time, and a claim that he had attended the prestigious-sounding Dunchurch College of Management turned out to refer to some weekend courses at GEC Marconi’s staff college.

      All from his Wikipedia page and properly sourced

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iain_Duncan_Smith

      Funny A4e Photos

      November 7, 2010 at 11:57 pm

  4. £1 an hour to clear rubbish…new IDS blitz on the workshy

    The feckless unemployed will be forced to take part in a punishing U.S.-style ‘workfare’ scheme involving gardening, clearing litter and other menial tasks for just £1 an hour in a new crackdown on scroungers.

    And if they fail to turn up on time or work hard they will be stripped of their dole for three months.

    Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith will tomorrow unveil ‘compulsory community placements’ in an attempt to stop people living on benefits for years without bothering to look for work.

    The ‘Workfare UK’ project will be targeted at tens of thousands of people suspected of sabotaging attempts to make them work.

    The measure is a key part of David Cameron’s drive to slash Britain’s annual £192 billion welfare budget.

    But Labour MPs condemned the scheme. One said: ‘This sounds like slave labour.’

    The scheme is also likely to run into fierce opposition from some Liberal Democrat MPs.

    Under Mr Duncan Smith’s anti-scroungers blueprint, employment office chiefs will be given the power to order the long-term jobless to take part in four-week mandatory work schemes.

    Instead of receiving their usual £65-a-week Jobseeker’s Allowance for sitting at home doing nothing, they will get substantially less – and will have to clock on and off on time and work flat out.

    The Government has not decided how much people on ‘community placements’ will be paid but it is understood the figure will be between £30 and £40 a week – the equivalent to £1 an hour, one sixth of the minimum wage.

    They will also be expected to look for a ‘proper job’ for when they complete the scheme. Each participant will be expected to spend at least 30 hours a week on their specified ‘work activity placement’.

    A Coalition source said: ‘We cannot go on allowing tens of thousands of people to wilfully avoid getting a job. Some go to great lengths to sabotage all efforts to help them find work. That is partly why the welfare bill has gone up so much and it is why hard-working taxpayers get so angry.

    ‘Some have been out of work for so long that they are literally incapable of obtaining or holding down a job. They have lost the discipline and all sense of work ethic.

    ‘This programme is designed to address that. It is not intended
    to apply to people who have genuinely tried to find work or who genuinely cannot work.

    Some people have simply got out of the habit of working. Hopefully this scheme will help them get back into a nine-to-five routine.

    ‘But is it meant as a sanction? Yes – and we are convinced it will have an effect.

    ‘All research shows that when sanctions are applied to those who can work but try to avoid it, they soon get the message and get off their backsides.’

    The projects will involve all kinds of work, from gardening to clearing litter, repairing vandalised bus stops and buildings and street cleaning.

    There are an estimated five million people stuck on various kinds of out-of-work benefits in the UK. Britain now has one of the highest rates of workless households in Europe, with 1.9 million children living in homes where no one has a job.

    The proposals are part of a Government White Paper on welfare reform which will herald a bonfire of dozens of complex benefits, to be replaced by a more straightforward single Universal Credit.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1327385/1-hour-clear-rubbish–new-IDS-blitz-workshy.html

    Daily Heil

    November 7, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    • “One US phenomenon that might serve as a warning is that of the so-called 99ers – people who lost their jobs and have been unable to find work for 99 weeks – the point at which their unemployment welfare is turned off. There are now upwards of 1.4 million 99ers in America facing a life with no benefits and few prospects for finding a job in a market in which companies are still not hiring.”

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/nov/07/britain-welfare-state-born-usa

      Andrew Coates

      November 7, 2010 at 12:09 pm

      • USA unemployment benefit does time out after 5 years but the amount received in that time is equivalent to 17 years UK unemployment benefit.

        Uncle Sam

        November 7, 2010 at 12:22 pm

      • ?

        I really don’t think so.

        To start with..

        Do you have Housing Benefit?

        Andrew Coates

        November 7, 2010 at 12:23 pm

      • Yeah, but we got something you Brits don’t have: GUNS and BULLETS – A well-placed .45mm bullet will sort out any critter. It’s Going To Get Nasty: Get yourselves, some land, barbed wire, guns and LOTS of ammo.

        Redneck

        November 7, 2010 at 2:40 pm

      • What you gonna do when you are told to report at the rail station for transportation to the camp, – you gonna get on the Amtrak? Cos, believe me it’s coming. You Brits are sleep=walking into a Nazi Totalitarian state as you sit on your arses drinking beer and watching ball games. Once you are in a Nazi Straitjacket there will be no escape – you Brits are screwed!

        Redneck

        November 7, 2010 at 2:52 pm

      • I am surprised they don’t introduce a similar system here in the 69th week… considering we have a huge teenage pregnancy problem and many people popping out numerous kids whilst on benefit… call us 69ers!

        It fits well, we aren’t all baby making machines, so the “69” element is quite significant.

        Work Programme

        November 7, 2010 at 7:05 pm

      • didn’t the tories withdraw benefits for spooners, work programme?

        debs

        November 7, 2010 at 7:23 pm

  5. Instead of receiving their usual £65-a-week Jobseeker’s Allowance for sitting at home doing nothing, they will get substantially less – and will have to clock on and off on time and work flat out.

    The Government has not decided how much people on ‘community placements’ will be paid but it is understood the figure will be between £30 and £40 a week – the equivalent to £1 an hour, one sixth of the minimum wage.

    They will also be expected to look for a ‘proper job’ for when they complete the scheme. Each participant will be expected to spend at least 30 hours a week on their specified ‘work activity placement’.

    Daily Heil

    November 7, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    • £30 and £40 a week – !? – wtf

      WTF

      November 7, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    • How the hell can anyone live of £30 a week. Consider all the extra food required to work flat out – you may as well throw people in a gas chamber.

      WTF

      November 7, 2010 at 12:16 pm

      • At least prisoners get free grub, free electricity, free water, free heating and lodging.

        Andrew Coates

        November 7, 2010 at 12:19 pm

      • We calculate that in the UK at present it costs a minimum of £42 a week for food per person. A person on an income of £30-40 a week is most certainly going to die of malnutrition; this sort of income is impossible to live on. This is like something out of a Soviet Gulag – forcing a person onto this sort of income is tantamount to starving people to death.

        Joseph Rowntree Foundation

        November 7, 2010 at 12:42 pm

  6. […] Update: See as well post by Andrew Coates here. […]

  7. DWP published their own global review of Workfare in 2008. They found, funnily enough, Workfare doesn’t work. They also mention the Wisconsin model that has been replaced as it was a total failure.

    Neither New Labour nor the ConDems have taken any notice of this research and both continued to attack the poor. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that Workfare works and what we are seeing from the ConDems is turbo-charged ideological class war.

    DWP research http://research.dwp.gov.uk/asd/asd5/rports2007-2008/rrep533.pdf

    harpymarx

    November 7, 2010 at 12:38 pm

  8. get out on the streets……fight the bastards! fight for your lives!

    what else is there to do against a Nazi style policy like this ?

    Ed Milipede

    November 7, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    • But what good does that do… ? While you continue to pay for a TV licence, copy of the Daily Heil… You need to start thinking out the box. Besides, fighting on the streets is sooo 1960s… good for Police over-time though 🙂

      Che Guevara

      November 7, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    • You are paying for your own chains, building your own gallows, feeding the very monster that will KILL you…

      Che Guevara

      November 7, 2010 at 2:00 pm

  9. What I don’t understand is the need to house the unemployed in separate housing units. Why not concentrate them all in the one purpose built facility where they can both live and work. Surely this would be much more efficient, reduce overheads, as well as saving lots of hard-working taxpayers cash. Something for Iain Duncan Smith to add to this “to do” notes then.

    Sir Tarquin Ramsbottom-Pumpleskin-Smythe

    November 7, 2010 at 1:22 pm

  10. […] Ipswich Unemployed Action (primarily an alias for (Comrade Coates and his left wing cronies) is sounding like a Dead Kennedys […]

  11. I wouldn’t confine this t just manual labour – it should really be something that uses the skill set of the unemployed person. I bet that there are a lot of skilled unemployed people that could to the cushy jobs of Daily Heil readers.

    shipbuilder

    November 7, 2010 at 4:58 pm

  12. this is an outrage and a total abuse of unemployed people,trying to claim that somehow this will be of use to a potential employer is complete rubbish,it will be seen as a dustbin for the long term jobless.duncan smith is a total waste of time and an abuser,this has followed in the conservative tradition.

    while prisoners have had their human rights upheld as regards to the vote,perhaps the european courts will uphold the humiliating /degrading treatment/forced labour claims of those that have not been convicted of any offence.the unemployed.

    all this indicates the failures of past programs to address unemployment,the millions wasted on cotracts that are now being terminated early,and the desperate attempts to avoid the shameful stain of high unemployment under the conservatives and their partners.

    ken

    November 7, 2010 at 5:46 pm

  13. This “work placement” proposal is part of a “package of reforms to be phased in from 2013”.

    Earwig

    November 7, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    • I wonder why 2013, maybe this is to whip up support in the interim from the very Daily Heil readers that will end up on this scheme lol 🙂

      Cabbage

      November 7, 2010 at 6:29 pm

  14. “It is expected to be “electorally popular””.

    Earwig

    November 7, 2010 at 6:05 pm

  15. So according to Tory Central Office there are “only” 1.4 million people currently receiving jobseekers’ allowance (jsa)? Why hasn’t anyone in the press pointed out that this figure is about half of the real number of jsa claimants. Could it be that the newspapers are unwilling or unable to assess the accuracy of information fed to them by the Tories ? If that is the case why should the public believe the propaganda against jsa claimants currently being espoused by the inseperable alliance of Tory Party and Tory newpapers.

    Unmotivated and or unconfident claimants are words that have often been used in the past to describe claimants and those time-warped definitions will be repeated again and again over the forthcoming weeks and months until they lose their meaning. The real cause of widespread unemployment in the UK is the breakdown in the Tories favourite market driven economy. But it’s so much easier and so much more convienient for them to blame claimants for their worklessness than to create equitable economic policies that might just stimulate overall demand in the economy and thereby create decent jobs that pay decent wages. Of course this is a dream on situation, unlikely to happen; but if anything even resembling this scenario occured the Tories and their mates in the press would find out something most normal people knew all along : the unemployed are not unmotivated, unconfident scroungers that need to be patronised and insuled as often as possible.

    paulyg

    November 7, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    • The figures are correct. The figure you are talking about are the claimants which are either sanctioned, not entitled or made up – or combination of those – which goes a way to explain the £2 billion+ “official error” fraud each year.

      I say, this money is secretly spent on military – be it bonuses for pen pushers or bombs.

      Work Programme

      November 7, 2010 at 7:32 pm

  16. The good thing about this IBS proposal is that the long term unemployed will be able to meet plenty of those sentenced to Community Service by the courts during their work placement. This will allow them to learn the essential criminal skills that they are going to need to survive under the coalition government from people already well versed in the arts. Then they can set off and burgle the homes, rob the sheds or nick the cars and generally make life a misery for the rest of the population. lol 🙂

    Robber Ron

    November 7, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    • LOL

      Forrest Tree

      November 8, 2010 at 1:55 am

  17. The good thing about this IBS proposal is that the long term unemployed will be able to meet plenty of those sentenced to Community Service by the courts during their work placement. This will allow them to learn the essential criminal skills that they are going to need to survive under the coalition government from people already well versed in the arts. Then they can set off and burgle the homes, rob the sheds or nick the cars and generally make life a misery for the rest of the population. lol 🙂

    Robber Ron

    November 7, 2010 at 7:44 pm

  18. Worth mentioning that the scheme does not seem to be costed to reduce government expenditure so all those Daily Heil who like to rant about layabouts living in easy street wont actually be paying less VAT, Income Tax and Class 1 NIC as result of these measures. Presumably the money that is taken from these dupes will simply be passed to the private businesses who will doubtless earn mega bucks from running the schemes. So, no new fitted kitchen, 4×4 or extra winter ski-ing holiday for the Daily Heil crowd. In effect it is just transferring the dole money from the unemployed to business (e replacing personal dole with a new corporate dole). This at least has the merit of bringing the benefit system in line with banking and the financial sector.

    Penguin

    November 7, 2010 at 7:45 pm

  19. A Coalition source said: ‘We cannot go on allowing tens of thousands of people to wilfully avoid getting a job. Some go to great lengths to sabotage all efforts to help them find work. That is partly why the welfare bill has gone up so much and it is why hard-working taxpayers get so angry.

    ‘Some have been out of work for so long that they are literally incapable of obtaining or holding down a job. They have lost the discipline and all sense of work ethic.

    hardworking taxpayers are angry regarding the 850 billion propping up a failed feckless banking system,the diversion of attention onto the sick/unemployed is merely an attempt to scorn those further who are least able to defend them themselves.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1327385/Iain-Duncan-Smiths-blitz-workshy–1-hour-clear-rubbish.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11706545

    the truth is there is very little in the way of employment,job centre plus appears to take vacancies at face value when in particular agency vacancies,there is strong evidence people are being forwarded for these and the “vacancy” does not exist at all,on arrival to “register” often no further mention of the advert is mentioned.

    the talk is if the jobs are there and its peoples own fault,this is false too,referring people who have no experience in the extremely weak uk labour market today quickly results in dismissal as not having the right experience,is mentioning a disability/health problem sabotaging an interview?,i personally dont think so,however opinions do vary.
    also part time vacancies that pay little but always seem to be 16 hours/20 hours to allow signing off anything below that is quickly brushed of by the job centre adviser as unsuitable,the thinking that its not enough to get you out the door for however long.

    the true facts are the jobs are not there what little there is is temporary,in the case of agencies often does not exist at all,these are just to get people on the books.short term or totally unsuitable part time that does not allow a living wage.

    when training is enquired about within job centre plus,the “excuse” is always the same,find a job first and we will pay for the training,this is a blatant barrier to avoid costs associated,because it would be near impossible to do.

    the only barriers i have seen put up are from job centre plus.

    ken

    November 7, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    • spot on, ken. with of the biggest barriers to work is being thrown out of the job centre by them thug security guards when I’m trying to use the phone.

      JC User

      November 7, 2010 at 8:38 pm

      • this opens another subject regarding job centre plus and its failings,its not just the attitude of some security guards that make uncalled for snide comments’ standing beside a board proclaiming standards of service.

        they appear (job centre plus) to be badly prepared for customers with special needs non visual disabilities’,the another person through the door can be one of the above.

        the combination of the infamous “untrained ,inept,incompetent” combined with someones disability does not go hand in hand,its not the disabled persons fault if they leave totally bewildered by what has just happened through bad experience and someone else’s failures.

        ken

        November 7, 2010 at 8:52 pm

      • yeah, same here… wots the point the em fones… if the security guards spy someone using the phone… they come across n grab it out ur hand… I’m like in mid covo with an employer… n like whoosh the fone is gone right out me hand… the security guard slams it back down n shows me out the jc….

        gobble

        November 7, 2010 at 8:53 pm

      • I disagree Ken (in part).

        It is not like a little white boy treating a black boy at nursery differently because its the first black person he has seen and doesn’t quite understand it.

        (for example)

        Security guard is simple… reassure the staff by being there (thats standing and wondering around) and ask disruptive and abusive people to leave.

        There is no justification to anti-social behaviour and bullying of jobseekers with and without disabilities.

        Security isn’t a basic job (although lazy) you don’t just apply for a job. First you have to get SIA certified and in doing that you have to go through training including how to defuse situations effectively… etc. and many get put on module courses of conflict management etc.

        Whereas might not require a masters in psychology, the trained individual would typically be of above average level of understanding (therefore deemed of good character) thus there is absolutely no justification to their acts across jobcentres nationally.

        Jobcentre Plus staff are tasked for a simple competency questionnaire before a chance of being employed. They either cheat and fraudulently get the job role or are generally of good character in respects to their professional thought processes.

        Neither security or jobcentre plus staff have an excuse.

        Being badly prepared for disabled customers beyond the stereotypical “man in a wheelchair” scenario is more of a disrespect issue (just a number, everyone is equal – get treated like sh*t) than an under-trained one.

        They are not carers, they don’t need indepth training or any great deal of empathy and understanding.

        Lack of large print documents etc. (call for different formats attitude requiring a third party and delivery of material) is a by-product of the “one size fits all” numbers game – and so is assuming everyone is capable and lazy.

        I will give an example of last time I was at the Jobcentre… I was on the job points and a person asked a staff member at the front to “register for employment”. The Jobcentre Plus staff member kept repeating that Jobcentre Plus offers resources for people to seek jobs but isn’t a recruitment agency. Well, what I think he was asking for was to “sign on”. Nowhere in the 15 minute conversation did the staff member ask whether he intended to claim benefits. This could be racism (assumption the person had no right to claim benefits). Then the man was ejected by security. The staff member seemed a bit pissed off.

        Maybe he never heard the terminology of “sign on” or “jobseekers allowance”… doesn’t mean he should be excluded. The simple solution would have been to ask if he wanted to claim benefits (normally the biggest usage of DWP!! ffs) and direct him to telephones… would have only taken a few minutes!

        This gets to “customer service”… more relevant that we are all called “customers” now. haha, well not me, I am on Flexible New Deal Stage 4!

        There is no element of help for people. Its self-service. Website is available if you have the internet. Job points are available if they work. Most issues are “solved” (or attempted to) through the telephone. It is your responsibility.

        No help for form filling. No help with understanding disclaimers if you cannot read it. The list goes on…

        Summary: They don’t care.

        Work Programme

        November 7, 2010 at 10:00 pm

  20. Just heard on the news that the government is just about to embark on a huge pyramid building scheme – I wonder if there is any connection.

    Enrieb

    November 7, 2010 at 10:48 pm

  21. […] Work Programme & Flexible New Deal: Ipswich Unemployed Action Unemployed to be Sentenced to Unpaid Work. […]

  22. Forcing the unemployed to do dull monotonous tasks all day such as turning a paddle to churn sand is cruel and inhumane treatment tantamount to torture – this is the stuff of Guantánamo Bay!

    Hiatt

    November 7, 2010 at 11:00 pm

  23. The press have been making a lot of litter picking today, as if it is a trivial task, however this is dangerous occupation training is needed in the handling and disposal of syringes. Litter is a HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCE. PROFESSIONAL Waste Control Operatives are required to receive a serious of inoculations against deadly diseases. Needle stick injury can threaten hepatitis B or even HIV. but would that really bother IDS, Grayling and co? Same goes for gardening i.e. soil contains the tetanus virus, bird droppings contain a multitude of diseases, including salmonella and tuberculosis, but would that really bother IDS, Grayling and co?

    Lionheart

    November 7, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    • yeah,,, junkies around here hide their needles in crisp packet n everything so that the litter guys will get stabbed. also they bury them in parks so that when you stand on them they go through your foot and stab you. and they let their dogs muck every,,, smash glass bottle, and damage railings so that the council guys fall into the river on to the rocks…. one of the poor guys broke his back only last week n is now stuck in a wheelchair……

      babs

      November 7, 2010 at 11:32 pm

      • Sorry to here that babs, but at least the poor guy is still alive which is more than be said for the victim of Working Links who they sent to the docks – he was DECAPITATED!

        Jinks

        November 8, 2010 at 12:37 am

  24. uk unemployment is not helped with scandals’ such as this,perhaps duncan smiths next statement will contain plans to ship the uk jobless to poland to see if they can land a job.and learn the “work ethic”.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1326948/Twinings-jobs-set-to-Poland-tea-firm-lands-EU-cash.html

    ken

    November 7, 2010 at 11:40 pm

  25. I’ve been doing 1 day a week voluntary work for over a year, so that adds up to well over 4 weeks so I should be exempt if I’m still unemployed if this stupid Work Prgramme idea ever sees the light of day!

    Funny A4e Photos

    November 8, 2010 at 12:10 am

    • Unfortunately A4-4 photos some of the volutnary sector are going to get involved with these schemes.

      About a year ago I had a row with a local one – where I was doing voluntary work – on their attitude to workfare.

      Some their highly paid staff liked it.

      I imagine they will now be rubbing their hands at the prospect of extra funding.

      Andrew Coates

      November 8, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    • having to move anywhere in the country… productivity targets… chain gangs… sound like something out of Nazi Germany 🙂

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_Todt

      Fritz Todt

      November 8, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    • Yet more proof that the BBC read this website with attention…

      Earwig

      November 8, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    • You can say that again 🙂

      Zebedee

      November 8, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    • Michael Fallon: “may not be the right job in the right place” 🙂

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_Todt

      Fritz Todt

      November 8, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    • Has that Michael Fallon tosser got an answer to ANYTHING?

      Earwig

      November 8, 2010 at 1:37 pm

  26. Why can’t the toffs get of THEIR lazy backsides and fill in the potholes on the roads that THEY drive on, dig the trenches for the high-speed rural broadband that THEY surf on.

    Rock Star

    November 8, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    • yeah, it’s not as if the *community placement* workers will be able to afford a car or high speed broadband so why are they building them for toffs. breaking their backs for toffs to have fun.

      tracey

      November 8, 2010 at 1:11 pm

  27. This Con-Lib government seems to believe that all claimants have to do is ask for a job and one will fall into their laps.

    The assumption seems to be that selection and recruitment consultants have no say in who gets work and who doesn’t, which is very convenient for a government that has pinned all its hopes on generating growth in the economy.

    As for workfare, that already exists in all but name for many JSA claimants. Much more worrying is the threat to cut Housing Benefit and Council Tax Benefit, and the threat to reduce Jobseeker’s Allowance incrementally for those who stubbornly refuse to ‘take’ work.

    Squiddly Diddly

    November 8, 2010 at 8:13 pm

  28. ask disruptive and abusive people to leave

    if someones acting in violent abusive manner that’s fair enough,i have to be honest and say the loud “tone” appears from witnessing comes from staff.only once have i seen someone stomping around and saying why am i being treated like this,i must admit i felt for him.

    They are not carers, they don’t need indepth training or any great deal of empathy and understanding

    customer service= customer care and needs improving in some cases.awareness/training.

    Lack of large print documents etc. (call for different formats attitude requiring a third party and delivery of material) is a by-product of the “one size fits all” numbers game – and so is assuming everyone is capable and lazy.

    this needs looking into,its against disability rights not to have reasonable adjustments made and cannot be ignored because of cost effectiveness ,to many leaflets are left on the racks for a great length of time and ignored.

    I will give an example of last time I was at the Jobcentre… I was on the job points and a person asked a staff member at the front to “register for employment”. The Jobcentre Plus staff member kept repeating that Jobcentre Plus offers resources for people to seek jobs but isn’t a recruitment agency. Well, what I think he was asking for was to “sign on”. Nowhere in the 15 minute conversation did the staff member ask whether he intended to claim benefits. This could be racism (assumption the person had no right to claim benefits). Then the man was ejected by security. The staff member seemed a bit pissed off.

    while waiting i have seen people inquire regarding a fresh claim and gruffed at and walk off,again its down to training and awareness.

    ken

    November 9, 2010 at 1:46 am

  29. No Government wants zero unemployment. Around about 2 million unemployed throughout the country is seen as a healthy figure. If you dip lower than that, employees become complacent and start holding the businesses to ransom with strike action and higher pay demands as they are aware that there are no others who could do their jobs. Governments don’t like an entire country being held to ransom by a few…it hurt in the 70’s and would hurt even more now due to the global economy and changes in the job market.

    Fact: Unemployment is a necessary requirement in the capitalist system.

    So it is a) healthy (for the economy) and b) necessary.

    So why demonise those fill this necessary role?

    Why not just accept that some people have to be unemployed, pay them the JSA and save money by not inventing schemes that have the sole purpose of moving tax revenue to the private sector?

    Snakes

    November 9, 2010 at 6:22 pm

  30. peeps who drop litter are disgusting. they should be made to pick up their own litter not the unemployed. its a criminal offence too – you can be fined £50 on the spot.

    maggie

    November 9, 2010 at 7:15 pm

  31. The government is also hoping to introduce legislation to force local councils to pay Housing Benefit directly to the landlord, which will further stigmatise the unemployed.

    There are already too many lettings adverts that contain the words ‘No DSS’.

    I don’t think claimants realise just how much worse off they are going to be after next April.

    Squiddly Diddly

    November 9, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    • Nick Clegg has promised “further incentives”, and in the words of IBS “we are going to take your benefit away bit by bit, until we say: “you’re not getting any benefit.””

      Burnout

      November 9, 2010 at 7:51 pm

  32. The key to all this is “skills assessment”, this compulsory volunteer-ism is going to extend extend it’s tentacles a lot further than “litter-picking” that’s what the Daily Heil crowd think. Its about the the State placing people into “assigned” roles – and what better place to start than with the unemployed. In a time in the not so distant future you won’t even be born if the State doesn’t have an “assigned role” for you.

    Gattaca

    November 9, 2010 at 7:44 pm

  33. I ought to put my hand up here and admit that I have been doing some voluntary work in recent months(in two local museums). I reasoned that If I did this I would be excempt from the forthcoming manual labour.

    However, both Museums have had vacancies in recent months, and in both cases the first I knew of it was after the vacancies had been filled.

    So much for the ‘Big Society’.

    Squiddly Diddly

    November 9, 2010 at 8:06 pm

  34. Why not employ the unemployed as “litter inspectors” – they can catch the Daily Heil readers throwing away their papers and blue rinse bottles. We need to employ a lot more “inspectors of things that Daily Heil readers get up to”.

    Wide Angle

    November 9, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    • too right… how many ignorant and selfish Daily Heil readers do you see driving a 4×4 and talking into their mobiles?

      Eagle Eye

      November 9, 2010 at 8:12 pm

  35. The only thing this evil nazi government will succeed in ,is causing is a over throw of this country,we are not in the victorians times,people were un edcucated then.People are not daft and can see thats its just plain hate against them.UP RISE, social control has just gone out the window.Wonder how long before the black gangs of london,hold back before,cameron or ian duncan smith gets the bullet.?Not too long.They won’t listen they think the world was made for them and the poor must suffer,they don’t care so moan as much as u like ,things will only get worse.Stop being sheep and stand up for your selves.

    caz

    November 10, 2010 at 3:20 pm

  36. I reckon I stand to lose as much as £50 a month in benefits, which has to be made up somehow if I’m to keep a roof over my head.

    I reckon a little breaking and entering might do the trick, though I’m not sure how to go about it.

    Crime suddenly seems like a viable option.

    Squiddly Diddly

    November 10, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    • I can see a return to the Thatcher era when pensioners were smashed over the head for their pension… 🙂

      Highway Robber

      November 10, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    • They’d love you to take up a life of crime. Think you’re being exploited now? Wait till the Prison-Industrial complex has you. A full weeks work for a pouch of baccy and the occasional bowl of skilly. Compete with that, Asian sweatshops!

      Tomkat

      November 11, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    • yeah, petty crime is just daft… don’t do it… look at em banker crooks escaping with £trillions… and look at the fraud committed by welfare-to-work providers… but do you see emma harrison behind bars…?

      Yoodle

      November 11, 2010 at 6:52 pm

  37. I see the National Union of Students put on a good show for us yesterday.

    Nice one, NUS! 🙂

    Squiddly Diddly

    November 11, 2010 at 9:54 am

  38. “claimant contract” – more like a Death Warrant 🙂

    Albert Pierrepoint

    November 11, 2010 at 11:27 am

  39. […] Snippets from Ipswich Unemployed Action Unemployed to be Sentenced to Unpaid Work. […]

  40. *** FND UPDATE ***
    Don’t be surprised if you complete Flexible New Deal WITHOUT having to do the dreaded 4 week MWRA.

    Many providers don’t have enough placements for all their FND clients, hooray!

    Funny A4e Photos

    November 16, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    • Many providers do not even contact people to offer the the “help and support” they are supposed to under the contract which they are paid.

      Work Programme

      November 16, 2010 at 8:25 pm

      • “help and support” lol – what you been smoking, Work Programme?

        The Steve Miller Band

        November 17, 2010 at 12:50 am

      • To most people the quotation around the phrase would have been enough. The subsequent phrase “they are supposed to” would have confirmed this.

        (It is supposed to read “offer them the”…)

        Work Programme

        November 17, 2010 at 9:40 am

    • So where does this leave the Flexible New Deal providers…. like the New Deal providers?

      If it is mandatory under the contract and they are paid to deliver the contract then surely the acceptance, cashing and expenditure of taxpayers money would indeed be fraud.

      A commercial contract subcontracting works out to another company would work exactly like this.

      Why is there an extra layer of “don’t hurt us we are only human … you haven’t paid us enough … we don’t have the resources”?

      Unlike private businesses having to do contract disputes through the County Courts and sometimes even the High Court; The Government has advantages including a near never ending pot of taxpayers money to waste.

      Frankly it is simple. If it doesn’t look commercially viable for your private enterprise, then don’t bid at tender stage!!

      That A4e Emma Harrison clearly said on camera about having more clients which are going to be harder to help. A4e Emma Harrison was smug about the cash available.

      This didn’t stop providers negotiating terms with the DWP instead of a take it or leave it approach. This means they must have properly projected demand. If they choose not to employ people to deal with that demand then its not an issue where the Government should be dishing out more money otherwise the threat of such contract coming to a halt to save their initial anticipated profit levels.

      As for work placements, it was always the case at Dencora House Detention Centre as run by YMCA Training… there were never any placements although there were a rather large work placement team (although it seems none of them were fulltime, available or have mixed duties)

      As for refusing to accept referrals… this is fraud. Under New Deal providers were only paid by attendance (a service fee) plus bonuses.

      On Flexible New Deal outcome bonuses exist still, however, the contract value is paid top heavy (thus now that Flexible New Deal will be scrapped the providers have gained from it) as a service fee and isn’t paid per person per attendance.

      They are contractually obligated to take certain numbers as agreed at the start and any amount the DWP agrees in addition. Refusing the numbers isn’t decreasing the amount of service fees they receive.

      As a comparison scenario… if you paid £1000 for 100 widgets, and only received 5, with the other party disputing the claim when you complained knowing they deliberately sent you so little and stole your money – this is fraud.

      You are the Government, the rogue trader mentioned in this scenario is the welfare to work provider.

      As for MWRA… it could be disputed in court for breech of contract but that isn’t so clean cut.

      Solution? Write welfare-to-work scheme in statute and have a contract with a brief outline to the law. In certain respects to a similar concept of Jobseekers Allowance legislation and the Jobseekers Agreement.

      The Government isn’t stupid to rely on low-level crimes of dishonesty through an contract agreement for claimants (i.e. no laws exist, you just agreed via a contract that you were unemployed and looking for work) so why should they be pumping millions (billions!) of taxpayers cash to these businesses without similar legal structure in place?

      I know how it works. They spend millions on lawyers to get the welfare-to-work contracts solid and “legally binding” when the effort should be made of writing laws.

      The answer is simple. Providers are non-human entities but jobseekers are human and can be deceptive etc. But all companies are run by humans… directors, shareholders, staff etc.

      Work Programme

      November 17, 2010 at 10:07 am

      • Don’t be such a bleeding heart, Work Programme: let’s throw onto the street all these humans(?) that work for these evil providers, let’s leave them homeless and hungry. Do it to them before they do it to you. Dying of cold and hunger is more than they deserve.

        Avenger

        November 17, 2010 at 10:41 am

      • lol Work Programme… next you will be urging us to march down the high street with placards saying “save provider jobs – stop the sackings”, “save dencora house – stop the closure” lol

        barbie doll

        November 17, 2010 at 10:55 am

      • I am loving your criticism 😀

        Work Programme

        November 17, 2010 at 2:20 pm

  41. You gotta laugh at this: Here the proletariat are being threatened with hunger and homelessness unless we kowtow to the demands of a bunch of toffs. What right do toffs have to turf people out of homes that were built buy their ancestors. When have you ever seen a toff doing a days works, laying a brick, planting a crop. In fact, what the hell do toffs do, apart from threatening the proletariat with hunger and homelessness if they do not kowtow to their demands. When you think about it – it is really quite obscene.

    Solidarity

    November 16, 2010 at 8:38 pm

  42. The YMCA are workers in uniform!

    No Cuts!

    Back the YMCA!

    Move Dencora House to the Corn Hill!

    YMCA.

    November 17, 2010 at 11:59 am

  43. Ive always wondered about this 4 weeks voluntary work that is compulsory on FND, now they are telling private providers “make them do anything” as long as they get the 4 weeks in, why are they pushing this so hard? me theory is that the business that provides you with the placement pays money (less than it would cost them to hire a pay a real worker) to the Government and the private agecncies like Workinglinks that put you on the course takes their cut from it, in return the Government has given the business labour for 4 weeks, for alot less than paying you the minimum wage until someone else takes over after you and on it goes, something like this must be happening or else why would they be pushing it so much?

    marc

    November 17, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    • Its not legally possible to work while on JSA. They stick you on a training allowance to get round this technicality.

      The longer you work for your benefit the longer you will show up as “in training” and not on the unemployment register.

      So, to DWP they don’t care. Different remit. They adminster (most) benefits and pensions – job creation isn’t their responsibility.

      Thus offloading people to be exploited isn’t their problem – it just helps the figure. Gets you worthless experience (in most cases). It isn’t illegal (yes immoral) as employment courses are exempt from the NMW.

      Work Programme

      November 17, 2010 at 7:00 pm

      • It’s not “training” though, Work Programme. If you take you 5 minutes to learn to flip a burger, work a till-point, stack a shelf, then you could call that “training”, but once you can do a task competently and are performing it in a productive manner that becomes “work” – can’t you see, Work Programme, time to put down whatever that is you are smoking

        Hookah Smoking Caterpillar

        November 17, 2010 at 7:10 pm

      • I am not quite sure what your problem is. Although I do have an idea of what it could be.

        I never said it was training.

        I am telling you the Government figures are everyone claiming JSA are officially unemployed less all the people on these scam schemes whom are wrongly placed on the figures of those “in training”.

        In this instance of unpaid compulsory labour… it never officially becomes work (although it is from day one). You know it is. We all know it is. But the unemployment figures have dropped hundred thousand people or so of that who are working to comply just to get their benefit.

        Work Programme

        November 18, 2010 at 8:29 am

  44. Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms (Human Rights Convention)

    Article 4
    Prohibition of slavery and forced labour

    1. No one shall be held in slavery or servitude.

    2. No one shall be required to perform forced or compulsory labour.

    3. For the purpose of this Article the term “forced or compulsory labour” shall not include:

    (a) any work required to be done in the ordinary course of detention imposed according to the provisions of Article 5 of this Convention or during conditional release from such detention;

    (b) any service of a military character or, in case of conscientious objectors in countries where they are recognised, service exacted instead of compulsory military service;

    (c) any service exacted in case of an emergency or calamity threatening the life or well-being of the community;

    (d) any work or service which forms part of normal civic obligations.

    It looks like ‘compulsory labour’ to me and since none of the exceptions apply, it looks like a violation of the human Rights act. If employees are ‘sold’ by the service providers to companies, that would be particularly damning and amount to human trafficking. Also since the pay is less than “the amount the law says you need to live on” (to quote the standard JSA notice letter) it would be hard to argue that is not some form of servitude. This scheme is wide open to legal challenge.

    qwerty

    February 4, 2011 at 1:16 am

    • Its corruption. It falls under “(d) any work or service which forms part of normal civic obligations.” exemption (or so the Government wants it to be) although only unemployed people have the “civic obligations” mentioned here.

      They cannot be “normal” however, unless we are all meant to be unemployed for life meaning guaranteed benefits? 😀

      Work Programme

      February 4, 2011 at 9:59 am

      • The definition of forced labour in the convention is taken from the Forced Labour Convention, 1930.

        The following discussion on ‘civil obligations’ is taken from:
        http://www.ilo.org/public/english/standards/relm/gb/docs/gb273/myanmar3.htm

        The Convention defines “forced or compulsory labour” as “all work or service which is exacted from any person under the menace of any penalty and for which the said person has not offered himself voluntarily”. As noted by the Committee of Experts on the Application of Conventions and Recommendations, it was made clear during the consideration of the draft instrument by the Conference that the penalty here in question need not be in the form of penal sanctions, but might take the form also of a loss of rights or privileges.

        The Forced Labour Convention exempts from its provisions “any work or service which forms part of the normal civic obligations of the citizens of a fully self-governing country”. As noted by the Committee of Experts on the Application of Conventions and Recommendations, three exceptions specifically provided for in the Convention refer to certain forms of work or service which constitute normal civic obligations: compulsory military service, work or service required in cases of emergency, and minor communal services. Other examples of normal civic obligations mentioned by the Committee of Experts are compulsory jury service and the duty to assist a person in danger or to assist in the enforcement of law and order. The Committee pointed out that these exceptions must be read in the light of other provisions of the Convention and cannot be invoked to justify recourse to forms of compulsory service which are contrary to such other provisions.

        (e) Minor communal service

        The Convention also exempts from its provisions “minor communal services of a kind which, being performed by the members of the community in the direct interest of the said community, can therefore be considered as normal civic obligations incumbent upon the members of the community, provided that the members of the community or their direct representatives shall have the right to be consulted in regard to the need for such services”. The Committee of Experts has drawn attention to the criteria which determine the limits of this exception and serve to distinguish it from other forms of compulsory services which, under the terms of the Convention, must be abolished (such as forced labour for general or local public works). These criteria are as follows:

        the services must be “minor services”, i.e. relate primarily to maintenance work and, in exceptional cases, to the erection of certain buildings intended to improve the social conditions of the population of the community itself (a small school, a medical consultation and treatment room, etc.);
        the services must be “communal services” performed “in the direct interest of the community”, and not relate to the execution of works intended to benefit a wider group;
        the “members of the community” (i.e. the community which has to perform the services) or their “direct” representatives (e.g. the village council) must “have the right to be consulted in regard to the need for such services”.

        qwerty

        February 4, 2011 at 1:26 pm

      • Thanks qwerty. Nice information there.

        Its all nonsense though. As you pointed out people can be enslaved to build schools etc. and be accepted as lawful.

        If something is deemed to have a “social” status it seems acceptable. There isn’t any difference in my eyes between a business abusing a person to work free to produce essential products for profit that other people require and the state abusing a person for the needs of others.

        Call it selfish if you wish. But this is the difference between slavery and volunteering. The former is compulsory for no money (or for very small amount of money) and the latter is optional with expenses (typically).

        When defining slavery its to the individual. The poor conditions, the little payment (or lack of) and the lack of it being free labour.

        It is an absolutely disgusting attitude to have that as long as such activities have a positive impact to other people in a so-called “community” then the persons suffering etc. is justified.

        “Lets pick on an ethnic minority… get them to collect our rubbish for free”

        So they are being forced to work for nothing, but everyone else appreciates the work, lower council taxes, and the rubbish is removed.

        All I am going to say is, this isn’t equality. One person shouldn’t be forced to perform “charity” acts against their will on the states order just to benefit the people around them.

        Work Programme

        February 4, 2011 at 2:39 pm

      • Hansard 22 Nov 2010:

        Stephen Timms (East Ham) (Lab): There are some good ideas in the Work programme, and all of them were in the last Government’s flexible new deal. What proportion of the payment to be handed over to a Work programme provider in respect of a jobseeker will be handed over when that person obtains work, and how long will he or she need to remain in work before the whole payment is handed over?

        Chris Grayling: I will publish the full details of the contractual arrangements for the Work programme in a few days’ time, but I can tell the right hon. Gentleman that we will not be paying upfront as the flexible new deal did. Last year, the flexible new deal paid providers £500 million for 16,000 starts. That is £30,000 per job start, and in my opinion it was an inefficient use of public money. Even as the programme becomes more mature, the previous service fee arrangements would still mean a huge upfront cost. We will do things differently: we will pay providers when they succeed, and not before they have done so.

        http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201011/cmhansrd/cm101122/debtext/101122-0001.htm

        If the providers needed £30,000 per job start, and the government is looking to cut it to something reasonable (say a few thousand), it’s hard to see how they will make any money at all, unless they push people into any old job.

        It’s not hard to see how they can rack up £30,000 per job found given the amount they get for services (remember there are usually quite a few (20-30) on these courses, only a few of which end up in employment). Charges are in this document Annex 1:

        Click to access pg-part-4-section-2.pdf

        Also note “Ensuring Participants are not Exploited by Employers” paragraph 77 page 23 of:

        Click to access pg-part-2.pdf

        The new ‘Work Program’ scheme which is due to replay New Deal this summer has a different payment structure, outlined in this document (page 10,11):

        Click to access work-prog-itt.pdf

        qwerty

        February 4, 2011 at 6:50 pm

      • Qwerty your post had loads of (useful) links on it.

        That’s why (Word Press settings) it took a while to get approved and appear.

        Andrew Coates

        February 7, 2011 at 10:09 am

      • What about forcing the unemployed to build a motorway network, Work Programme? What are your thought on that? Then the infrastructure could be sold at a later date to the private sector for a song. Fritz Todt would would lick his evil lips at these proposals. Nazism in all but name!

        H Himmler

        February 4, 2011 at 7:17 pm

      • qwerty

        February 4, 2011 at 8:45 pm

      • Yeah wordpress holds comments with more than a certain amount of links in as spammers typically load many links in comments.

        They are no follow links anyway but its good not to see much spam 🙂

        I hate to know how much net payment the participants who secured jobs got compared to the £30k the providers got.

        Lets assume £16k salary fulltime – minus tax & NI will leave approx £13k. So in effect for the Government it has cost £30k to collect just 10% of such amount in tax. Saving the JSA results in another approx £3k saving (will not complicate by doing Housing Benefit as not everyone claims it).

        So the Government pays a provider £30k to save £6k – sounds very much like the arrangement with Europe.

        Work Programme

        February 7, 2011 at 11:13 am

  45. Good work, Work Programme on getting the Word out. Keep up the Great Work 🙂

    100 Watt Lightbulb

    February 5, 2011 at 2:54 pm

  46. Re: this Employment Opportunities Bill that you all seem to be on your high-horse about. It does not rescind the Minimum Wage. All it does it give employers the option to opt out of paying the Minimum Wage. The Minimum isn’t going anywhere, so you all got nothing to worry about.

    Minister of Information

    February 7, 2011 at 10:15 pm


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