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Long Term Unemployment Crisis Looms for Older Workers.

Emily Andrews (@Emilyishness) | Twitter

Putting it Mildly: Quarter of a million over-50s ‘will never work again’.

Our contributors have been discussing plans to recruit an extra 13,500 Work Coaches.

Whether or not they are needed to sign claimants on, “coaching” people back into work is not going to be the major problem, Coachey!

It’s going to be a lot more than that.

Quarter of a million over-50s ‘will never work again’ after coronavirus


You cannot read any more unless you wish to pay the keeper at the gate of the Telegraph’s pay-wall.
If the Torygraph thought that was going to stop our Crack Reporting Team you can sod off….
The same story appears here,

A quarter of a million over 50 ‘will never work again’ after coronavirus

A major problem for older job seekers is that training and apprenticeship programmes tend to be geared towards younger people, the Centre for Ageing Better said.Andy Briggs, government czar of older workers and managing director of Phoenix Group, an insurer, said: “It’s also up to employers to crack down on unconscious bias. If a senior reveals their age on a resume, they are much less likely to get the job. ”

Older women, in particular, find it difficult to keep their jobs because many have to adapt their jobs to family responsibilities, he added. One in four women over 50 provides informal care for a loved one, compared to one in eight men the same age, according to the Office for National Statistics.

Women are likely to be the hardest hit. Nearly 40,000 women aged 50 to 64 have left the labour market since the start of the pandemic, as shown by the analysis of ONS data by job site Rest Less. At the same time, economic activity has increased in all other age groups of working-age women. For men aged 50 to 64, it increased by 3%.

Stuart Lewis of Rest Less said: “In the last recession, women could retire at age 60. Today he is 66 years old. Losing their jobs will force them to retire early, which many cannot afford.

Diving into savings and pensions will eat up funds quickly, especially when stock markets are down.

Since March, the number of women over 50 claiming universal credit has jumped 95%, compared to 92% among men in the same age group.

Which leads to some crafty leg work and,…….!

The new report from the Centre for Ageing Better and Learning and Work Institute shows that the number of older workers on unemployment related benefits has nearly doubled as a result of the pandemic – increasing from 304,000 in March to 588,000 in June.

There is a risk of a ‘second wave’ of job losses for older workers as the furlough scheme comes to an end in October. One in four older workers – 2.5 million in total – have been furloughed, and hundreds of thousands of these workers may be unable to return to their previous jobs as some sectors struggle to recover.

The report finds that older workers who lose their jobs are far more likely to slip into long-term worklessness. Just one in three (35%) over 50s who lose their job return to work quickly, compared to two in three (63%) workers aged 25-34. Over 50s who are unemployed are twice as likely to have been out of work for over a year than those aged 18 to 24.

A mid-life employment crisis: how COVID-19 will affect the job prospects of older people

Over 50s have been poorly served by previous employment support programmes. The Work Programme – which was introduced following the last recession – failed older claimants; just one in five (19%) adults in their late 50s found a lasting job, compared to two in five (38%) young people aged 18-24.

Many older workers interviewed as part of the new research explained how the crisis had left them pessimistic about their future employment prospects, uncertain about their next steps, and concerned about employers’ perceptions of older workers.

‘When you read that there’s 9 million people that have been furloughed and they’re saying that 1 million people are going to be made redundant. It is going to be very hard and you’re competing with younger people who understand the IT stuff a bit better. So, it’s not easy at my age anyhow.’

On the cusp of retirement, and soon to change this Blog, I can agree with the last sentence 100%.

This is what her NIbs is thinking:



Written by Andrew Coates

August 9, 2020 at 3:36 pm

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  1. There is a very simple solution, just lower State Pension age to 50 or 55. Or increase unemployment benefits by 20 quid a week and scrap conditionality. Replace fortnightly signing with annual signing. Abolish Universal Credit. Scrap Sanctions. Will the Government do any of that? Probably not. Result = A dysfunctional Society. More debt, more crime, more homelessness, more begging, more suicides, and foodbanks unable to cope.


    August 9, 2020 at 3:48 pm

    • This is what happens in P**o***land. You are forced to give up work, and are signed off/pensioned off at age 50. P**o***land also has many ‘perpetual students’, people hidden away in academia, P*o****land has more PhDs than any other country.


      August 9, 2020 at 4:11 pm

      • I don’t know what you mean by “P*o****land”


        August 9, 2020 at 4:14 pm

      • @trev – I think she means Poundland

        Frank Taylor

        August 9, 2020 at 5:15 pm

    • NOt that long ago some unemployed people only a few years older than me got onto Pension Credit when they were in their early 60s,

      Andrew Coates

      August 9, 2020 at 4:48 pm

      • Yes, Pension Credits could be another option to partiality (at least) alleviate the problem. Extra Work Coaches and more back-to-work schemes will be a useless and ineffective waste of time and money. We need some radical solutions, the Government needs to think out of the box. Give people the option of doing part-time voluntary work in exchange for increased Benefits and exemption from jobsearch requirements, for example. Or yearly signing and exemptions from age 60. Or a Basic Income.


        August 9, 2020 at 5:03 pm

      • It was Gordon Brown who scrapped Pension Credit at age 60. Bastard! L’est we forget!


        August 9, 2020 at 6:47 pm

  2. According to the World Economic Forum, when ‘The Great Reset’ (fourth industrial revolution) is announced in January 2021,a universal basic income will be on the cards. Hope it’s true and without any conditions attached.


    August 9, 2020 at 4:46 pm

  3. Quarter of a million over-50s ‘will never work again

    This is very bad with the mention of over 50’s having to lockdown under harsh measures then other groups.Older age seems such a long way off when someones and it could well be that the number in this age group in work could well have peaked too.The coronavirus triggered a war time footing with a handful of cases in China, here its taking off again with mainland Europe its in many ways the perfect pest of humans as these things often are in anything that lives.People are going to have to face that life isn’t going to be the same since lifting safe measures free for all.



    August 9, 2020 at 5:06 pm

  4. It’s a total disaster in the making. No-one should now be signing over 60, and the Pension Credit as you have said, should be put back to 60. That would also allow the WASPI women to retire. But what will we get instead ? The usual Golden Future and Wonders Of Work propaganda. For many of these older workers, coronavirus has just killed their prospects of a full time job. And remember, the Work Programme only managed to place less than 2% of these workers into employment. After 2 years !!

    Jeff Smith

    August 9, 2020 at 5:26 pm

    • Corbyn would have garnered a few more votes if he had committed to re-introducing Pension Credit at age 60 – for both men and women. But what did Corbyn/McDonnell decide to do? Spend billions of pounds, including £50,000 upfront payments, on so-called ‘WASPI women’ most of whom are well-off with good pensions, partners with good jobs/pensions etc. Pension Credit at age 60 for all would have cost a lot less and would have been fair and equitable.


      August 9, 2020 at 6:53 pm

      • Wouldn’t have mattered. Under Corbyn Labour only won an abysmal and piss poor 32.1% of the vote.


        August 11, 2020 at 8:46 am

  5. It won’t make any difference if Therese Coffey climbs into a chariot, and rides stark naked, covered in blue woad, to every Jobcentre in the land.


    August 9, 2020 at 5:33 pm

    • @ Martin

      That’s an image I’m trying to erase from my mind! 😆


      August 9, 2020 at 6:11 pm

    • Therese Coffey naked. That would be truly vile, and I now have a horrible vision In my head.

      Antony Webber

      August 10, 2020 at 5:47 am

  6. Some of these training providers that have gone bust, must be kicking themselves. Working Links, Tomorrows People etc.


    August 9, 2020 at 6:00 pm

  7. Full article: https://archive.vn/docd1


    August 9, 2020 at 7:29 pm

    • Thanks, very useful.

      This is worth reading from the full article…

      “A Government spokesman said its national careers service had work coaches at every job centre to help people regardless of age and that it encouraged employers to recruit and retrain older workers.
      “We’ve launched a new £2.5bn national skills fund and our £150m investment in the flexible support fund means our national network of work coaches can help people to increase their employability,” he added.”

      Andrew Coates

      August 9, 2020 at 8:40 pm

      • Employers rarely offer training, they advertise for experienced workers with specific skills and experience e.g. CNC Machinists, Powder Coaters, Paint Sprayers, and the ubiquitous Press Brake Operative. Those are jobs I regularly see advertised. Other jobs stipulate Driving Licence required, or own transport due to location and shift times. Other jobs such as Pickers/Packers and Production Operatives are always described as being “fast paced”, meaning they want younger workers who can obviously work at a continuous fast pace, not older people who are worn out, out of breath, and in need of a sit down or an afternoon nap. Any training organized by the Jobcentre or their Providers will be the usual rubbish; employability skills, and the same old IT courses we’ve all done a dozen times. The DWP is unfit for purpose, the Government are in denial, and we need a fresh approach, not the same old tried and failed methods.


        August 9, 2020 at 10:20 pm

      • No doubt the DWP think they can tough it out by shoving the unemployed onto Universal Credit. And then pretending that some pointless CV course, or a few hours of zero-hour work every few weeks, means they are in employment.

        Tom Sutton

        August 9, 2020 at 10:28 pm

      • The over 50’s won’t be replaced with the young, nonsence from the torygraph again, I know many who work have don’t things they shoudn’t have, many warnings but they are still working in the same work place, the DWP are behind it, the DWP are talking to every employer. you have all heard them saying ‘to keep them in jobs’

        This blog needs to change, it’s nothing but bad news and misery.


        August 10, 2020 at 8:49 am

      • @ xclausx

        “This blog needs to change, it’s nothing but bad news and misery.”

        It’s not this blog that needs to change! We need a change of Government, a change in the way poor people are treated, a change in the way wealth is distributed, a change in the Benefits system. After a decade of Tory government plus a pandemic life in this country IS bad news and misery!


        August 10, 2020 at 9:21 am

      • I completely agree, I have said to xclaus that If It upsets him/her so much they could leave the blog, or stop reading It, as It obviously hurts their sensitivities.

        Antony Webber

        August 10, 2020 at 9:43 am

      • You can always leave he blog, or stop reading It If It offends your sensitivities so much.

        Antony Webber

        August 10, 2020 at 9:38 am

  8. I’m nearly 37 I can’t see myself ever getting back into paid work on the national wage. I have a disability. I am doing a bit of voluntary work


    August 9, 2020 at 7:36 pm

    • Have you thought of asking Ken if he will take you on as his personal assistant.His constant bed wetting and fear of going outside means he needs some help.

      Helena Blavatsky

      August 9, 2020 at 7:57 pm

  9. The mass media are busy demonising the over 50s. The house arrest trial balloon has already been sent up. Mark them down as useless. Force them from employment. Send them to Aldous Huxley’s ‘lethal chamber’ or maybe just feed them to the Morlocks a la Logan’s Run.

    Logan's Run

    August 9, 2020 at 7:50 pm

    • Strip them of any savings, investments and property as part of the ‘Great Reset’.

      The Great Reset

      August 9, 2020 at 7:52 pm

    • @Logans Run – You are confusing the film Logan’s Run with H.G.Wells The Time machine. In Logan’s Run no-one is allowed to live beyond the age of 30. When the reach this age, they are then killed in a so-called ceremony of renewal. Where there is no real chance of survival. The Morlocks are from H.G.Wells, The Time Machine.

      Francis 6

      August 9, 2020 at 9:42 pm

    • It’s a Bolshevik Revolution we are undergoing. Communism. This is what is behind all this organised chaos. Ordo Ad Chao (Order out of Chaos) as the Masons say. If you want to know what you have to look forward to better mug up on Stalinist Russia: round-ups, mass executions, gulags. Good news for trev, superted, jjloop and co, there was no unemployment in Stalinist Russia.


      August 10, 2020 at 9:23 am

      • At least the Royal Family have got out in time 😀

        Meghan & Harry

        August 10, 2020 at 9:26 am

      • Very funny Meghan and Harry. A sense of humour Is sorely needed at these moments of crisis.

        Antony Webber

        August 10, 2020 at 9:46 am

      • “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” as Marx said. The penalty for idlers: execution.


        August 10, 2020 at 9:31 am

      • Sure, except Marx never said the latter bit. Never.

        Here is Marx’s son-in-law:

        Paul Lafargue. The Right To Be Lazy (1883)

        “A strange delusion possesses the working classes of the nations where capitalist civilization holds its sway. This delusion drags in its train the individual and social woes which for two centuries have tortured sad humanity. This delusion is the love of work, the furious passion for work, pushed even to the exhaustion of the vital force of the individual and his progeny. Instead of opposing this mental aberration, the priests, the economists and the moralists have cast a sacred halo over work. Blind and finite men, they have wished to be wiser than their God; weak and contemptible men, they have presumed to rehabilitate what their God had cursed. I, who do not profess to be a Christian, an economist or a moralist, I appeal from their judgement to that of their God; from the preachings of their religious, economics or free thought ethics, to the frightful consequences of work in capitalist society.”

        0 Laziness, have pity on our long misery! O Laziness, mother of the arts and noble virtues, be thou the balm of human anguish!


        Andrew Coates

        August 10, 2020 at 9:36 am

      • @ Rovstov

        Never mind the Bolsheviks! You’re not making any sense. The freemasons are strongly opposed to Communism and nothing that’s happening today is at all comparable with Stalinism.


        August 10, 2020 at 9:50 am

  10. superted

    August 9, 2020 at 10:12 pm

  11. I had another telephone based work search review last week, the third one since the beginning of July. I have been having them every two weeks on what used to be my usual signing on day. It lasted about five minutes. The next one won’t be for another month. The coach stressed it wasn’t a work review in the usual sense but a welfare check to see how I was and to see if there was anything they could do for me, etc. Told me they weren’t asking people about what jobs they have been applying for at the moment because it would be pointless in the current climate. They are waiting until October to see what happens when the furlough money is stopped, to see who has a job to go back to and who doesn’t.

    jj joop

    August 10, 2020 at 5:37 am

    • @jj joop : I’ve noticed an element of masochism in some of the comments on here. Claimants who like galley-slaves are used to being whipped. And now that it has stopped, are wondering when they are going to get whipped again.

      Jeff Smith

      August 10, 2020 at 11:03 am

      • Isn’t it just that people are naturally wondering what’s going on regarding jobcentres because we’re not being kept informed. I’m in no rush for it to reopen at all, ever again! But whilst some people in other areas have been having telephone interviews others like me have had no contact whatsoever. I think the DWP is in a state of chaos. But so long as I m still getting my money I’m not bothered.


        August 10, 2020 at 11:15 am

      • I’m still receiving my payments and haven’t returned to the Jobcentre to sign on either, I don’t mind but It Is concerning that though a sanctions system has been reimposed we don’t need to attend, therefore forcing claimants to look for work for the possibility that you may be called In at any time unless you do a quick jobsearch activity and make It look as If you’ve been far more active than you have.

        Antony Webber

        August 10, 2020 at 1:22 pm

      • Exactly, you can’t afford to take any risks where Benefits are concerned, and the reopening of Jobcentres and lack of communication is typically shambolic.


        August 10, 2020 at 1:25 pm

      • @Jeff Smith

        I believe you are referring to a variant of Stockholm Syndrome.


        Yeah. I hear that, mate.

        jj joop

        August 10, 2020 at 11:33 am

      • @True Jeff. There’s some on here should be grateful they’ve had four months of peace and quiet. Not moaning on about how no-one has been phoning them. As they say JJ don’t look a gift-horse in the mouth !

        Tom Sutton

        August 10, 2020 at 12:07 pm

    • my job search has not changed at all as still get plenty of jobs coming in to apply for every day.


      August 10, 2020 at 12:01 pm

      • I’m still getting loads of job emails every day from cv library, fish4jobs, indeed, etc. All the same as ever, fast-paced production jobs , shift work, miles away in other towns, and Warehouse work etc. plus all the usual skilled jobs I can’t do in places I can’t get to. As well as jobs from Find A Job, part time cleaning jobs, production etc. I apply for what I can but most are unsuitable for one reason or another. It’s just a case of saving all those confirmation emails to show you’ve applied, in case anyone asks at some point in the future.


        August 10, 2020 at 12:12 pm

  12. Unless you become a full-time student almost all training is paid for by employers unless it’s pretty basic and rudimentary. Government training schemes and training supplied by private providers running government schemes, like Work & Health, aren’t worth the candle and, most times, don’t even lead to recognised academic or vocational certifications that are of any value whatsoever. (A crap first aid certificate won after a one or three day course isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on.) Training for anything worthwhile takes years and costs thousands of pounds. It doesn’t make sense to invest thousands of pounds in an older employee only to lose that expertise when they retire or ill as older workers have a greater risk of being. The only “apprenticeships” that older workers do are the kind that B & Q offer where you get trained how to stack product, unload lorries, sweep floors and be polite to customers. No proper industrial level qualifications and a pittance more salary for completing them. Employers much prefer younger, fitter, livelier and stronger employees who are more likely to stay and work for them for years and years than older employees less strong, less fit, less lively and more likely to suffer health problems than those decades their junior.

    Employers are NEVER going to pay for years of training for older workers with limited working lives.

    And for complicated careers that need years of off-the-job training or physical resilience and fitness younger people are always going to trump older people because their working lives will be longer and their physical prowess superior to older competitors.

    It’s deceitful to pretend otherwise.

    Hopefully older people, whose lives are winding down, are not going to be perused and harassed pointlessly by the DWP trying to drive them into jobs that employers are never going to give them. Or expect them to do unskilled heavy work too much for them to manage physically.


    August 10, 2020 at 6:56 am

    • I received a City & Guilds certificate in Employability Skills after only three days. I’m pushing sixty. I can remember when you had to undertake at least three years of training before you received a C&G. This is an example of training today. No wonder this country is going down the plughole.

      jj joop

      August 10, 2020 at 7:14 am

      • Many people put onto these courses are unable to complete them to the full level.If its bad like education just leave it off dont just say attended a course it can be picked up on further more so if older.

        Many years ago I went on something similar and they gave the answers out to the main part A B it was picked up on out of the blue and invited for an interview then was faced with a load of questions I couldn’t answer and was made to look a complete fool.Some of these companies that write CV’s sex them up.

        Your right some Apprentiships have been cut to entry level three for learning disabilities.


        August 10, 2020 at 7:04 pm

    • I completed some ‘training’ last year that the Jobcentre referred me to, it was run by Interserve and didn’t even have a title, but included the usual employability crap, interview techniques etc. plus training in Retail and Customer Service. It lasted for a few weeks and ended just before Christmas, about 8 months ago, and I still haven’t received any certificates. The last I heard, Interserve were on the verge of going bust.


      August 10, 2020 at 8:37 am

      • It couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of Work search providers.

        Antony Webber

        August 10, 2020 at 9:35 am

      • @trev- We had a course in a nearby country park, run by the local adult education. For 3 days groups of 6 claimants navigated on mini-expeditions around the inside of the park. Then were given a certficate in ‘Planning & Organising A Short Expedition .’ Cost £340 per claimant.

        Jeff Smith

        August 10, 2020 at 11:21 am

      • Lol that’s ridiculous. I plan and organize a short expedition every time I go to Aldi.


        August 10, 2020 at 11:32 am

      • Very good Trev, you’re hired.

        Antony Webber

        August 10, 2020 at 1:24 pm

    • “Or expect them to do unskilled heavy work too much for them to manage physically.”

      I’ve seen various jobs that say must be physically fit as the job includes heavy lifting. If I apply I make sure I mention my age and say that heavy lifting shouldn’t be a problem as I have a Manual Handling certificate and know not to lift anything too heavy without the correct procedures being in place and the necessary lifting equipment provided. Never heard back from any of them.


      August 10, 2020 at 8:43 am

  13. Andrew Coates

    August 10, 2020 at 8:50 am

    • Andrew Coates

      August 10, 2020 at 9:15 am

      • The supermarkets are still fairly busy but nothing else is (apart from the foodbanks). Local groceries and corner shops out of town seem to be doing ok. And the cheap shops in town such as Home Bargains and Wilkos are reasonably busy from what I’ve seen. Pubs, restaurants, bistros, cafes are understandably struggling. I don’t know what else there is apart from small independent shops, but they would struggle anyway as most people buy stuff online nowadays.


        August 10, 2020 at 9:35 am

      • Theres young people out there and they couldn’t have cared less inches away in a shop only interested in each other and a look brings a snear, of course you cannot blame everyone but the insult is to the over 50’s who are headlined as having to give up and isolate because of this behaviour, figures are rising again.

        1,148 new cases



        August 11, 2020 at 11:40 pm

  14. EHRC papers show it sidelined its own board on WCA death inquiry decision

    Disability News Service – 6th August 2020 John Pring

    The equality and human rights watchdog failed to consult its board, or its disabled advisers, before deciding to delay an inquiry into the government’s work capability assessment and its links with the deaths of benefit claimants, new documents have revealed.

    The decision by the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) was taken only by the senior staff members on its executive group, with no attempt to consult the watchdog’s chair, its other commissioners or its disability advisory committee (DAC).

    The only member of the EHRC board involved in the decision was its chief executive, Rebecca Hilsenrath, papers released to Disability News Service (DNS) under the Freedom of Information Act have revealed.

    The EHRC papers confirm that the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) inquiry has now been “deprioritised” and that the commission accepts that this decision could have a “detrimental impact on stakeholder relationships”.

    One of the EHRC papers released to DNS reveals that among the principles the commission used to prioritise its work through the pandemic was whether it was “critical to our international standing or reputation”.

    The papers also reveal that the postponed inquiry was to look specifically at “DWP work capability assessments decision making”, a focus of attention for disabled activists over the last decade and right at the centre of links between DWP’s actions and the avoidable deaths of benefit claimants.

    DNS had asked to see the minutes of relevant meetings where the issue was discussed, and the names of individuals and organisations the commission consulted in reaching its decision, including advisers and board members.

    But the commission only provided minutes from meetings of its executive group, and a letter sent on 24 June to Labour’s Debbie Abrahams which told the MP that it was “not possible for us to undertake an inquiry in relation to the DWP during this business year”.

    Abrahams first approached EHRC in April 2019 with her concerns about links between the actions of DWP and the deaths of benefit claimants.

    EHRC also released a paper to DNS that was to be presented to the EHRC board, but that was for a meeting that took place on 2 July, after the WCA inquiry decision had already been taken.

    An EHRC spokesperson confirmed this week that the decision not to go ahead with the inquiry this year had been taken before the 2 July board meeting took place, when the “outcomes of the reprioritisation process” were rubber-stamped.

    DNS had understood that the issue of why the inquiry was delayed was to be raised at the DAC’s meeting last month, but so far none of the committee members contacted by DNS has been willing to comment or say whether it was discussed.

    The EHRC spokesperson refused to say what action the committee took at the meeting on 16 July and whether the inquiry was discussed.

    As part of its freedom of information request, DNS also asked for the “intelligence and data mapping” that EHRC previously said it had used as a basis for the changes to its business plan, but nothing matching that description has been released.

    There was anger and concern at EHRC’s actions this week from some of the grassroots groups of disabled activists that have spent years calling for an inquiry and highlighting links between DWP and the deaths of claimants.

    Linda Burnip, co-founder of Disabled People Against Cuts (DPAC), said: “The lack of any effective action from EHRC to try to protect disabled people’s rights is totally unacceptable.

    “They remain as useless as ever.”

    DPAC’s Paula Peters added: “It’s absolutely outrageous that EHRC has failed to act to protect disabled people’s human rights and has delayed calling for an independent benefit deaths inquiry.

    “Every human being who has died from the distress and worry of the WCA and its outcome is etched in our hearts and minds.”

    She said the fight must continue to hold the government to account for the impact of the “horrendous assessments” on disabled people’s lives.

    Claire Glasman, from WinVisible, which supports and campaigns for disabled women, said EHRC’s actions showed that it was “clearly not independent of government”.

    And Carole Ford, from WOWcampaign, said the EHRC decision could mean more deaths like those of Jodey Whiting – who took her own life 15 days after she had her out-of-work disability benefits mistakenly stopped by DWP for missing a WCA – and Errol Graham, who starved to death after his out-of-work disability benefits were wrongly removed by DWP, as a result of flaws in the WCA process.

    Ford said there had been anecdotal reports that some of the WCA struggles faced by disabled people in recent months had been the “last straw” before they died from COVID-19 and may even have contributed to their deaths.

    She said that any EHRC work examining the inequalities exacerbated by COVID-19 would be “an incomplete undertaking” if the commission failed to hold an inquiry into deaths linked to the WCA.

    And she added: “Is the EHRC really saying that it prioritises its work according to whether it affects its international reputation, so that domestic benefit injustices can be swept under the carpet?”

    Ian Jones, also from WOWcampaign, said: “So the EHRC refuses to investigate DWP deaths because it doesn’t want to upset the government.

    “Who can disabled people turn to to stop governmental failure to safeguard disabled people?”

    The EHRC spokesperson said: “The coronavirus pandemic has laid bare serious equality and human rights issues across the country.

    “We have had to make very difficult decisions at pace to respond to the crisis and unfortunately this did not allow for comprehensive consultation with all of the stakeholder groups affected by our decision to pause our efforts to scope an inquiry into discrimination in DWP decision making this year.

    “Both board and members of the DAC were updated on our plans to refocus our business plan so that we could respond to the emerging pandemic.

    “It is essential we respond to the serious issues which coronavirus and the resulting response have caused for people with protected characteristics, including disabled people.

    “We will revisit [the DWP inquiry] when we update our business plan for next financial year in March 2021.”

    She said that minutes from disability advisory committee meetings were published on the commission’s website, but that the minutes from the 16 July meeting needed to be formally agreed at the 11 November meeting before they could be published.

    DNS – John Pring 6th Aug 2020

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    August 10, 2020 at 9:11 am

    • Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) is run by Tories. Equality !!! Funny that vested interest as well.

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      August 10, 2020 at 9:13 am

      • DWP Deaths the only thing the Tories don’t want a public inquiry about.

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        August 10, 2020 at 9:15 am

  15. Reblogged this on Tory Britain!.


    August 10, 2020 at 10:44 am

  16. @trev- It’s time for the 4th Dimensional Beings to appear and sort things out.

    Jack R.

    August 10, 2020 at 11:14 am

    • Don’t worry Jack, they’re working away behind the scenes.


      August 10, 2020 at 12:19 pm

    • Darwin said that animal life is descended from more primitive forms of life. So men, for instance, were all monkeys once. If that’s true what were we before we were monkeys? See I can’t remember being a monkey let alone remember what I was before I was one. Could this mean that Darwin was wrong? Where’s Dicky Dawkins when you need him?

      Intelligent Desigher

      August 10, 2020 at 6:29 pm

  17. Reblogged this on Wirral In It Together and commented:
    As the end of the UK furlough scheme approaches in October 2020, whatever makes you stand out from the crowd, be it you’re a union or safety rep, your political or social media activity, you’re ‘too old’, ‘too unwell’, disabled, wrong skin colour, or simply that you’re not regarded as “management material” – will be furtively used against you behind the scenes in the biggest, most widespread campaign of employer bullying, harassment and gaslighting the country’s ever seen. The climate of fear we’re all living in will only serve to exacerbate this. If you need help and ideas to confront this and fight back in a measured way, search for the terms ‘bullying / gaslighting’ on my blog.

    Wirral In It Together

    August 10, 2020 at 12:05 pm

    • This has been going on for ever and has even happend to me personally on government training schemes where it didnt take hold and other staff were ready to stand up also theres little can be done often its controlling the crowd against someone they percieve a weakness because of say a disability and can turn very nasty with verbal attacks cold shouldering abuse snowballing and eventually the source of everything that is wrong in the building “blaming” workplace bullying is awful its an attempt to destroy someone so they can feel good about themselves and is a sign that the end of the victim’s job is on the horizon.The pieces have to be picked up.


      August 10, 2020 at 9:25 pm

  18. Carol

    August 10, 2020 at 12:33 pm

    • Icke has scratched a living by exhibiting his mental illness, in public, like a bit player in a freak show. I can’t help but wonder if his football career hadn’t been cut short whether he would ever have ended up in such a pathetic and tragic state. It’s very sad really.

      P. Moore

      August 11, 2020 at 8:38 am

  19. ‘YouTube has deleted the conspiracy theorist David Icke’s official channel from its platform.
    The Google-owned video clip service acted after repeatedly warning Mr Icke that he had violated its policies by posting misleading information about the coronavirus pandemic.’ BBC News

    This is the problem with David Icke. Theories about reptilian aliens might be amusing, but not when he starts posting irresponsible rubbish about Coronavirus.

    Alan Turner

    August 10, 2020 at 1:29 pm

    • Icke has no knowledge or understanding of the esoteric. He barks up the wrong tree.


      August 10, 2020 at 1:38 pm

      • Which tree? 😁


        August 10, 2020 at 3:27 pm

      • The Tree of Life


        August 10, 2020 at 3:40 pm

      • @trev . That is so, he lacks the genuine insight of one who is set upon the hidden path. He will not find the truth in the glare and noise of publicity. But in those moments of quiet understanding, beyond words. Where the mind is opened to the infinite realm. That which is, and yet is not seen.


        August 10, 2020 at 5:25 pm

      • Yes, the Silent Road recommended by WTP, and encapsulated in Sharpe’s spontaneously received Triad;

        “From the Silence of Time, Time’s Silence Borrow.

        In the heart of Today is the word of Tomorrow.

        The Builders of Joy are the Children of Sorrow.”


        August 10, 2020 at 6:00 pm

      • Please don’t mention the Otz Chaim on public forums or all sorts of riffraff will want to climb it.

        (And come to grief… become stuck in the abyss… like me.)

        Austin Osman Spare

        August 10, 2020 at 6:23 pm

    • he is still on bit chute so not totally banned but he makes more sense than all the crap on the bbc ect.

      seems this government wants to end freedom of speech and do what you are told or else!

      same as the dwp lol.


      August 10, 2020 at 1:46 pm

    • @alan turner: I agree with you there Alan 100%. If David Icke wants to sell his books about hidden conspiracies, that is one thing. You don’t have to buy his rather strange books.
      But he crosses the line when he starts risking people’s lives with dangerous nonsense.
      And he has quite rightly been thrown off youtube.

      Frank Taylor

      August 10, 2020 at 5:12 pm

      • @frank taylor You are a grade 1 moron. Fancy a job at CNN ?

        Don Lemon

        August 10, 2020 at 9:05 pm

  20. Look folks you’ve got to start somewhere and work your way up. For example, in my case, when I was a lad I served a term as office boy to an Attorney’s firm. I cleaned the windows and I swept the floor, and I polished up the handle of the big front door. I polished up that handle so carefully that now I am the Ruler of the Queen’s Navy!


    Lord Boyce, Admiral of the Fleet

    August 10, 2020 at 2:47 pm

    • when I was a lad I too served a term as office boy in a large engineering company that made tractors and employed 3,500 workers, until it was bought-out by an American company and closed down with everyone made redundant, even the huge sprawling factory has now been demolished.


      August 10, 2020 at 2:54 pm

  21. Monster just sent me a job email marked as being a “strong fit”, for a mushroom picker located 60 miles away from where I live! I have no previous commercial experience of picking mushrooms or any other type of horticultural/agricultural work, no Driving Licence, no car, and I live 60 miles away. How on earth can I be a “strong fit” for that vacancy?


    August 10, 2020 at 3:50 pm

    • because no one else wants the job imo 😉


      August 10, 2020 at 3:53 pm

      • I would have applied if it was 5 – 10 miles away.


        August 10, 2020 at 4:38 pm

    • Couldn’t you use a stargate to commute to and from the mushroom farm?

      Work Coach

      August 10, 2020 at 6:15 pm

      • Sadly not, though I could travel there out-of-body by Astral Projection but then wouldn’t be able to do any physical work. Shame really as I think I would enjoy picking mushrooms.


        August 10, 2020 at 6:19 pm

  22. Obese people and those aged over 50 could be subject to lockdown…



    August 10, 2020 at 4:36 pm

    • this about controlling ppl and bugger all to do with any virus as you can not control those and never has b4 this.

      it is the same crap they try to brain wash you with in the jcp with a work coach dictating what you can and can not do.

      providers are the same with there nlp crap to also toe the line or else.

      if ppl dont wake up to this bs it is only going to get worse and worse as you give a inc and they take a mile.

      we are under the 5 year avg death rates atm yet having lock downs wtf for other than to control ppl that cant be bothered to look for them self’s but have been brain washed buy main stream media.

      The number of deaths registered in the UK in the week ending 24 July 2020 (Week 30) was 10,142, which was 118 deaths fewer than the five-year average; of the deaths registered in the UK in Week 30, 231 deaths involved COVID-19.

      they wont put that on the news tho will they so ask your self why, because it does not meet there agenda of lock downs ect .

      if there plan is to make the country go bankrupt and default on all its loans then it is working just look at the price of gold now it has gone up over 100k in 8 months!

      i did ask for a provident loan but could only get 1k lmfao




      August 10, 2020 at 5:07 pm

      • I don’t think it’s about the death rate at the moment, it’s about the infection rate and infection demographic. Be a good boy and do as you’re told by uncle Boris, after all he’s included himself with the obese bit.


        August 10, 2020 at 5:51 pm

    • I’m over 50 but my BMI is well within the normal range and so I suppose I won’t be able to benefit from this lockdown if it goes ahead. Doesn’t make much sense though since people over 60 are just as likely to die from Covid-19 as fatties.


      August 10, 2020 at 6:17 pm

      • It would include the over 60s as they are also over 50, obese or not.


        August 10, 2020 at 6:22 pm

  23. “There were around 50,100 excess winter deaths in England and Wales in 2017-18 – the highest since the winter of 1975-76, figures from the Office for National Statistics show.


    cov19 deaths so far for the uk is 46,574

    wont put that on the news tho will they and says it all it is the flu.


    August 10, 2020 at 5:24 pm

    • Only 34.7% of the 51,400 excess winter deaths were caused by respiratory diseases. That’s ALL resipratory diseases. Even IF they were all caused by ‘flu, that’s still only 17,384 ‘flu deaths as opposed to 46,574 covid deaths in less than six months. Nice try.


      August 12, 2020 at 1:10 am

  24. superted

    August 10, 2020 at 9:27 pm

    • I live in Cornwall which is dependent on tourism, heritage and hospitality, since most of its industry went the way of the Dodo during the 80s, and Covid-19 has had a devastating effect hereabouts. It’s as if some force stopped the world from revolving. It’s going to take years to recover assuming that some kind of stuttering recovery is actually possible of course. I’m so very sorry for the people who have been bereaved or lost their livelihoods, businesses, homes and had their lives turned upside down without any end to the suffering in sight with terrible aftershocks yet to come. I’ve never seen anything like this in my life before. Tragic times indeed.


      August 11, 2020 at 8:31 am

      • Tough times indeed Ro, and possibly even tougher times ahead, no one has ever seen anything like this before, but when all this is finally over and the dust has settled tourists will come flocking back to Cornwall and all the other places.


        August 11, 2020 at 9:38 am

      • Its the fear also on top causing more damage.Some stores in London have remained closed while elsewhere their open.


        August 11, 2020 at 10:19 am

      • Ro

        Never mind about that, Ro. Have you got any scrumpy, my old lover!

        cornish pastie

        August 11, 2020 at 2:40 pm

      • @ cornish pastie

        Pasties which used to come in three sizes, small, medium and large, these days only come in one size somewhere between the old small size and medium. As they now cost about £4.00 – £6.00 each, depending what’s in them, pasties have become luxuries which I can only afford to eat very occasionally, usually when something good happens like a Tory minister resigning or similar. Cornwall is officially the poorest county in England, while at the same time one of the most expensive to live in, but the views are breathtaking, beautiful and still mostly free which helps people like me to keep going.

        (Scrumpy is more of a Devon, Dorset and Somerset thing and I don’t drink alcohol anyway.)


        August 12, 2020 at 7:17 am

    • Simon

      You’re about as inspiring as a boiled cat.

      cornish pastie

      August 11, 2020 at 2:41 pm

  25. ‘The Yorkshire Jobcentre’, Channel 4.
    Well that was thoroughly depressing. Thank God the Jobcentre is currently shut. Not looking forward to going back there one little bit.


    August 10, 2020 at 9:38 pm

    • Andrew Coates

      August 11, 2020 at 6:19 am

      • A 61 year old woman with a background in Accounts, 20 years previous experience at HRMC, they found her a job on the checkout in a Pound shop. And what’s worse is she was happy to have got a job.


        August 11, 2020 at 7:50 am

      • I meant to say HMRC


        August 11, 2020 at 8:05 am

      • That was a very sad part of the programme, you really felt for her.

        But this is a good summary,

        The Yorkshire Jobcentre, Channel 4, review: A fairytale picture of jobhunting

        “Where it fell down was in its simple, fairy-tale narrative of the search for work. Claimants were shown to be desperate for a job, then ecstatic when they found one. Kenny, 32, whooped about chucking bags of nappies into a bin on his first shift at a recycling centre, while the 61-year-old former accounts worker Karen was literally dancing with joy on her first day working in a shop. But we were told little about how much financially better off they’ll be, or what job security they would have.”


        Andrew Coates

        August 11, 2020 at 9:30 am

      • Those Recycling jobs that ‘Kenny’ was doing are usually temporary contract via an agency, I saw it advertised regularly pre-Covid, it said in description “must have a strong stomach”, and you get a pay rise if you last more than 12 weeks. I also thought Kenny might have something wrong with him, possibly Autistic.


        August 11, 2020 at 9:43 am

      • Poundland have started selling items on the same shelf for more or less then a pound,while some of it cannot be argued with they’ve lost the £1 USB chargers and its confusing.


        August 11, 2020 at 10:15 am

      • And what qualifies you to diagnose Kenny as ‘autistic’, trev, may I ask? If Kenny was autistic surely he would be claimant the higher rate of disability payments (over 4 times JSA/UC equivalent rates), and driving around in a motability Nissan Qashqai not throwing shitty nappies into a bin in a dirty recycling plant for minimum wage. Autism is one of those ‘hidden disabilities’ that qualify for the highest rates of disability payments. Same with schizophrenia. You sound like one of those types who like ‘labelling’ people (with mental illness) as if you are a psychiatrist . “Kenny is autistic”, “Kenny is schizophrenic”. People with these illnesses wouldn’t even be working never mind in a recycling plant. Leave the diagnoses to us professionals, please. Disclaimer: I don’t watch TV ergo haven’t watched the programme you refer to.

        Dr Shrink (PsyD, PhD, MA, MSc, BSc, PG Dip Ed)

        August 11, 2020 at 10:28 am

      • @ Dr. Shrink

        You’re right, I have no professional medical qualifications, but I was speaking from personal life experience. I have known and worked with a young man who had Aspergers syndrome. I have shared a house for many years with a man same age as me who is Autistic. Another man in the same house who I knew very well had been diagnosed in childhood as having Passive-Aggressive/Histrionic Personality Disorder. Another friend of mine who I knew for decades was diagnosed with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Another friend of mine at the time who I had known for 11 years was a Paranoid Schizophrenic. Whilst I myself have been diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder. So I do actually know a bit about psychological and mental health issues.


        August 11, 2020 at 1:22 pm

      • How do you expect Poundland sell a USB charger for the princely sum of £1!? It has to be manufactured, shipped thousands of miles from China. How much do you think the Chinese workers earn? Would you be happy if the Jobcentre forced you to work in a factory manufacturing USB chargers that were being sold for a £1? It has to comply with all UK and EU safety legislation. All the various ‘middlemen’ have to be paid along the way. 17p of that £1 is VAT, Poundland expect to make a profit. And all for £1? Talk about being part of the problem, not the solution.


        August 11, 2020 at 10:40 am

      • Ee by gum, there is always a simple lad or lassie on these programmes to give us all a right good chuckle. Simple enough to take part in the first place.

        Yorkshire Pud

        August 11, 2020 at 12:41 pm

    • jokecentre said i have employment resistance disorder pmsl

      superted's rotten teef

      August 11, 2020 at 1:39 pm

      • “Ergophobia, ergasiophobia or ponophobia is an abnormal and persistent fear of work (manual labor, non-manual labor, etc.) or fear of finding employment. It may be a form of social phobia or performance anxiety”


        But try getting such a diagnosis, and then a sick note for that = no chance


        August 11, 2020 at 1:58 pm

    • What I would like to know is why people allow themselves to be videoed in that Jobcentre in the first place? Why co-operate with the Jobcentre and TV company? Obviously the footage is going to be edited and strung together to cast the Jobcentre and its staff in a favourable light or the DWP wouldn’t have allowed it to happen, which is probably why nothing was revealed about how little money (39% of wages) the people featured were keeping for their labours, how much was deducted from their benefits (61% of wages), and how costly commuting to work and back was reducing their pittance even further. Everything was cast as being sweetness and light without any of the bitterness and darkness considered at all.

      Look, folks, it the DWP gave the series the green light nothing critical as per the DWP will be featured.

      Dick Long

      August 12, 2020 at 5:57 pm

      • Agreed.

        Hugh G. Rection

        August 12, 2020 at 5:58 pm

  26. ‘Reed in Partnership’ are advertising for Employment Advisers

    “Reed in Partnership have recently been awarded an extension of the Work and Health Programme. The new JETS extension (Job Entry Targeted Support) is specifically designed to support recently unemployed participants back into sustainable employment following the COVID-19 Pandemic. This is an 18 Month Fixed Term Contract Opportunity to join our growing team!”


    August 10, 2020 at 10:15 pm

    • Not surprised when I was at Reed in Partnership I had 5 advisors, and even met one person who used to work for another provider, training to work for Reed in Partnership, I should have told her she wasting her time.


      August 11, 2020 at 8:13 am

    • Trev you’re right, one of the guys here works on the recycling yard rubbish like Kenny, from an agency! Boy did he dirty the bathroom coming home!
      The lady who got the job in the pound shop, I think her job is part time as I’m sure I heard her say to the girl training her on the tills, that she volunteers at a lunch club? So if that’s true the UC ppl will, probably keep at her to find more or better paid work!


      August 11, 2020 at 12:05 pm

    • Dr Shrink please don’t show your ignorance these days the attitude is if you’re breathing you can work! I have a close friewhos a paranoid schizophrenic and even the DWP IN the end agreed he can’t work!


      August 11, 2020 at 12:07 pm

  27. my_final_username

    August 11, 2020 at 8:14 am

  28. Jobseekers face exploitation as online recruitment is riddled with fake news

    In such a dire jobs market, the fantasy of employment is highly lucrative – with fake vacancies and hiring stories going viral.

    When a blood-splattered job applicant tumbled into Michael Kovich’s office, covered in dirt, grass and jet fuel, he knew he had to hire him. The candidate, who was seven months late to his interview, had been kidnapped for ransom, after getting into an unlicensed taxi in Brazil. He survived for months at the hands of his captors, eventually earning their trust. When they let their guard down, he escaped. He stole a vehicle and drove off – his captors in hot pursuit.

    He made it to the local airport, slammed through the fences, and hot-wired a jet. He fuelled it himself, skipped the safety checks, and took off. Destination: job interview.

    Kovich offered him a job on the spot.

    On LinkedIn, the world’s largest online professional network, a trend is intensifying – that of influencers sharing fake stories about hiring people. Kovich invented his blood-covered interview candidate to parody an endless stream of posts featuring rain-soaked, teary-eyed people, crawling out of the wreckage of cars and running across motorways to make it to interviews.

    The cast of unfortunate characters, from pregnant women with dying spouses to suicidal fathers with starving newborns, differs from post to post, but the format is always the same. A recruiter sees a candidate in a difficult situation, gets them a coffee, and hires them on the spot (no interview required).

    Comment after comment follows: “So inspiring!”; “Wow, you’re such an amazing hiring manager!”; “Thank you for being kind to humanity!”

    In a dire jobs market, the fantasy of employment is highly lucrative. More than three million UK households are in serious financial difficulty owing to Covid-19. For jobseekers caught in the endless grind of applications and rejections, stories about recruiters taking pity on sobbing candidates who can’t pay their rent are deeply attractive.

    The influencers who share these often plagiarised stories – complete with hashtags grating with robotic empathy (“#compassion, #behuman”) – are scamming jobseekers for their attention. For wannabe influencers, branding yourself as an altruistic employer might be the fastest way to grow a platform in a pandemic.

    One LinkedIn influencer (with over three million followers) wrote a post inviting jobseekers to like and comment on her posts, not because she’s an influencer, but because she “sincerely cares”. The post, which received over 66,000 reactions, is awash with desperate responses: “I’m a single mother… it’s getting very hard,” reads one. “I badly, urgently, desperately need a job”.

    The influencer herself never replies, but bots litter the comments section, their gleaming smiles simply stock images, directing viewers to bogus job sites who are prompted for their personal data.

    “The rise in spam, influencer stories and fake news on LinkedIn is very disconcerting,” says Kovich, the founder of the Mauch Chunk Coffee Company, who has been an active LinkedIn user since 2010.

    “In the past few days, I’ve seen everything from fake hiring stories to disinformation about the pandemic and job posts which are very clearly fake. It’s reminiscent of Facebook, and the turn that that platform is taking.”

    People are increasingly ripping sob stories off Facebook and other social media platforms to use on LinkedIn, says content strategist Chinedu Ihekwoaba. One story (originally from Instagram) about a taxi driver bursting into tears at his first customer in 48 hours, exploded on LinkedIn, with multiple users passing it off as theirs, and reaping likes from people relating to the driver’s pain in these brutal economic times.

    Scott Fortune posts fake jobs on LinkedIn. Not to sell dodgy stuff, or steal CVs, but to get back at the unscrupulous recruiters who have stolen his personal information, time and time again.

    “I’d stay up until 3am applying for a job on LinkedIn, and then discover it was fake,” says Fortune, an interim facilities director. “They’d suck up my CV, and spit out a rejection letter in three minutes, so I knew it wasn’t legitimate.”

    Fed up with recruiters’ manipulation, Fortune started designing spoof job adverts to mimic the fake ones on LinkedIn – complete with double spacing, dodgy grammar and improbably high salaries. At the end, he writes: “Please message me for more information. Then wait for a response that will never arrive!” – a stab at recruiters who ghost candidates after extracting their personal data.

    Yet he is shocked by the sheer volume of people who get in contact with him, thinking that the jobs are genuine. “What got me was the utter desperation. People were calling me from all over the world, telling me that they were about to lose their homes if they didn’t find a job.”

    It is striking that, as vacancies become more scarce, our concept of employment as a basic reality shifts. The line between what is real and what is fake fades, aided by the recruiters and influencers co-opting human authenticity for fame. We no longer apply for jobs with the expectation of getting them – we do it with a dull, desperate instinct, as an exercise in the fantasy of wish fulfillment.

    One of LinkedIn’s main boasts is that it is too professional for the fake news that plagues platforms such as Facebook. Editor-in-chief of LinkedIn News, Daniel Roth, told Vox in 2016 that, “the difference between Facebook and LinkedIn is the difference between your home and the office” – as if awkward team lunches and a communal coffee machine protect you from the internet’s disrepute.

    As Covid-19 ravages an already precarious job market (the gig economy in the UK doubled in 2019 and now accounts for 4.7 million workers), “the office” is becoming an unrecognisable concept, unattainable for millions out of work. As we exchange solid jobs and freelance work with spam messages from “growth hackers” and “global masters”, employment is fast becoming fake news.

    The assumption that LinkedIn is too reputable for spam is one which sees the scammer as a cartoon villain, spewing emails about fat-burning chia seeds into your junk folder. The scams and fake stories on LinkedIn are often indistinguishable from empathy, from the genuine expression of human emotion.

    Roth said that LinkedIn’s decision to use human editors (unlike Facebook, which replaced its editors with robots in 2016), helps to prevent fake news on the platform. But what about the humans who robotically express compassion to grab jobseekers’ digital attention? Worse than the empathy economy is the fake empathy economy, which capitalises on people’s joblessness without lifting a finger to help them.

    A LinkedIn spokesperson said: “We work every day to protect our members and make sure that LinkedIn remains a safe, trusted and professional community. Posting fake content, misinformation and fraudulent jobs are absolutely not acceptable and clear violations of our terms of service.”

    Emily Beater is a freelance journalist who has written for the Guardian and BBC News

    Michael Kovich

    August 11, 2020 at 12:29 pm

  29. I’ve seen a couple of the old guard unemployed, who always print-out their jobsearch etc. now on Universal Credit.
    Quiet as lambs, and filling in the online journal, giving full access to everything. And of course this is ten times easier for the DWP.

    Jeff Smith

    August 11, 2020 at 1:15 pm

  30. I’ve got a job in a Poundshop,
    Oh Christ this is the end !
    The awful boredom of this job.
    Will send me round the bend.

    But they said I had to do it,
    Down at the DWP,
    It was a job, a real job,
    And it would be good for me.

    I’ve never worked so hard before,
    And for so little pay,
    Like being trapped on a conveyor belt,
    But you can’t get away !

    You serve the tills,
    You mop the floor,
    You stack the shelves,
    And then there’s more…

    Unload the packed delivery truck,
    By now you could not give a fuck !
    Now stack the heavy iron cage,
    And take it round from aisle to aisle,
    While fixing your face in a customer smile.

    The end of shift, and it’s all done,
    And out of the door you almost run,
    But what about tomorrow when,
    You have to start it all again ?

    Random Poet

    August 11, 2020 at 1:46 pm

    • Brilliant.

      From what I hear from people who’ve worked there…

      Andrew Coates

      August 11, 2020 at 2:56 pm

  31. Cracking poem Random, one of your best !!


    August 11, 2020 at 2:44 pm

  32. The long list of symptoms for covid now includes Red Toes and Hiccups, joining the likes of going Bald, obesity, having the Sh*ts….whatever next… Arse Cabbages!


    August 11, 2020 at 3:06 pm

    • Red toes? That’s Gout.


      August 11, 2020 at 3:41 pm

      • Really? In this day and age you think insinuating homosexuality is an effective means of trolling?


        August 11, 2020 at 8:06 pm

      • Apart from anything the person making these comments is going to find that they get removed pretty quickly.

        Andrew Coates

        August 11, 2020 at 8:30 pm

  33. DWP benefit appeal rules defeated in the High Court after one man’s legal fight

    Thousands of ESA claimants had their human rights breached after being forced to go through a ‘Mandatory Reconsideration’ – after a 55-year-old benefits advisor fought for justice



    August 11, 2020 at 3:27 pm

  34. Gloucester man fined £267 for dropping cigarette in street
    Union campaigner Stephen Gower was on the way to the Job Centre when he dropped the cigarette but said he couldn’t pay the fine in instalments



    August 11, 2020 at 6:00 pm

  35. Andrew Coates

    August 11, 2020 at 6:02 pm

    • Its all going to mean higher poverty job insecurity and risk of high household debt.If the service demand isn’t there then there will be huge slumps fueling the above.

      trevial pursuit

      August 11, 2020 at 7:45 pm

  36. Grow up


    August 11, 2020 at 8:02 pm

  37. Transgender & ‘gender diverse’ people six times more likely to be diagnosed as autistic, true figure likely higher – study

    A new major study has found that transgender and “gender-diverse adults” are six times more likely to be diagnosed as autistic than the general population.

    The fresh research by scientists at the University of Cambridge’s Autism Research Center took data from more than 600,000 people and confirmed previous findings from smaller scale studies of a similar nature.

    They combined five different data sets in which participants provided detailed information on their gender identity, autism diagnosis as well as any and all other pertinent mental health diagnoses, such as depression, schizophrenia, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), and obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD).

    Across all five datasets, transgender people were three to six times more likely to be diagnosed with autism than non-trans or non-gender-diverse people.

    The true figure is likely far higher as autism is typically under-diagnosed. An estimated 1.1 percent of the UK population is on the autism spectrum, which would indicate that up to nine percent of transgender and gender-diverse adults are likely also autistic.

    Transgender people were also found to be more than twice as likely to be diagnosed with depression. They also scored higher for autistic traits, on a questionnaire about non-clinical features of autism, regardless of their autism diagnosis.

    “This finding, using large datasets, confirms that the co-occurrence between being autistic and being transgender and gender-diverse is robust,” Dr Varun Warrier, who led the study, said. Dr Warrier emphasized that the co-occurrence of autism and transgenderism did not necessarily indicate a causal relationship.

    The research provoked a notable reaction on social media. Some questioned the language used by the authors of the study, asserting that the controversial topic was cannon fodder for woke warriors online. Others shared their own experiences and insights into the possible connection between the autism spectrum and transgenderism.

    Unfortunately, I find the Simon Baron Cohen’s article nearly incomprehensible because he appears terrified of being canceled if he dares divulge what % of the respondents started life male vs. female, which is obviously the big question.

    — Steve Sailer (@Steve_Sailer) August 11, 2020
    My son has ASD and my parental impression is ASD kids often struggle with managing conceptual ambiguity and puberty is even more disorientating for them than for “normal” adolescents.

    — Michael F. Bird (@mbird12) August 11, 2020


    August 11, 2020 at 10:12 pm

  38. TV Review – The Yorkshire Jobcentre – Channel 4

    What a dumb fuck Kenny was cycling with a carrier bag held beside his handlebars. An accident waiting to happen. Kenny wouldn’t need Lance Armstrong to tell him that the bike is unstable Braking on the carrier bag side is impossible. And when, not if, the carrier bag, makes contact with the front wheel Kenny will be thrown straight off. Buy a rucksack you fuckwit. No wonder they need a consultant psychologist working on this ‘show’. The claimants were as dumb as fuck. Something was definitely rattling in Kenny’s skull. And what was it with the claimants drinking the Jobcentre Kool-Aid spouting all that shit about “working is not about the money”, like work is a social club. Do they think there ‘job coach’ turns up to work for the chat around the water-cooler and to “make new friends”. Seriously, what is wrong with those people? Can they not see how stupid they come across. Can they not see how they have been set up? They all look like rejects from that other Channel 4 ‘show’, ‘The Undateables’. As for the duplicitous ‘job coaches’, pass the sincerity bong. What a load of hogwash.

    TV Review

    August 11, 2020 at 11:25 pm

    • “I’ve got Flight Simulator on me phone. Can you get me a job as a pilot?” 😀

      Flight Lieutenant

      Flight Lieutenant (Rtd)

      August 11, 2020 at 11:44 pm

      • To be fair to the bloke he did say: “I can work all the controls and know how to deal with air traffic control” 😉


        August 12, 2020 at 12:37 pm

    • Still peddling the myth of the ’35 hours a week jobsearch; 😉


      August 11, 2020 at 11:49 pm

    • Why are these ‘coaches’ so patronising? £6 for a pair of trousers, expensive!? Really?! And how is a cheap £30 jobcentre suit going to land you a job?

      Hugo Boss

      August 12, 2020 at 12:11 am

      • Hugo Boss the scary thing is that people are in such poverty they can’t afford a £6 pair of trousers, and begs the question: if someone is also sanctioned, they will have no money, probably no gas or electric for heating lighting and hygiene like showers, they’ll be weak and I’ll from no food, if they even got an interview who would employ a hungry scruffy maybe smelly person? None of their arguments make any sense


        August 12, 2020 at 11:06 am

      • Sanctions have been proven to be ineffective and counterproductive in helping people back to work. Forcing already poor people into destitution does not improve their employability – fact.


        August 12, 2020 at 11:20 am

    • Kenny seems to think he will earn in week (£310) what the Jobcentre pays him in a month? What about the rent on the flat? What about keeping the bike on the road? In-work expenses? And isn’t it only mums who iron boxer shorts? Kenny looked like he was on drugs or summat. Gotta laugh at that woman taking the kid into the jobcentre. Bet she would have brought a dog in if they weren’t banned. You should be able to take ’emotional support’ animals into jobcentes anyway.


      August 12, 2020 at 12:17 am

      • I really wish I could see work, as the saviour these people do, but while I want to work I truly loathe my job and the early starts, and I’m left in varying degrees of pain after every shift! I’m 56 and no way will I make it to 67 to retire, I like my fellow cleaners, but we’re not bosom buddies and don’t socialise after work! I can’t afford to socialise anyway! It has nothing to do with thinking I’m too good to clean, I’m earning money honestly and that’s good, but try as I might I hate it, I literally do switch off when I get in and only switch on again on leaving! Once they were calling me for something I genuinely didn’t hear, they came looking hoping they’d find me sleeping or something, no I was working away oblivious!! Maybe I should ask the jobcentre to put me on a course lol….


        August 12, 2020 at 6:19 am

    • The should have called it ‘The Unemployables’. 😀 How long before a ‘Naked Jobcentre Attraction’, would love to see those ‘job coaches’ in the scud 😀


      August 12, 2020 at 12:42 pm

    • Basically they are stealing from each and every one of us hard-working taxpayers. Scum like that Pam woman should be roasted on a spit. It is people who go out to work, both parents working and they are still struggling that I feel sorry for, they should be helped. Well done to Kenny though. I was well chuffed when he landed his dream job. Smart lad, his determination and intelligence shone through and won the day for him.

      Leeds Taxpayer

      August 12, 2020 at 11:55 pm

      • Benefits aren’t paid for by Income Tax, they’re paid for by borrowing. Your Taxes have been used to subsidize half-priced meals in restaurants for the better-off. Save your vitriol for the bosses and shareholders of companies like Amazon who avoid paying huge amounts of Tax.


        August 13, 2020 at 7:04 am

      • Nonsense, trev. You obviously weren’t paying attention to the programme. Didn’t you hear when I said when we work and pay tax we contribute into a ‘pot’ of money, that ‘pot’ is there for us to fall back on if we ever fall on hard times need help. It is not a limitless pot that is there to help yourself from indefinitely without ever contributing. That is tantamount to theft. It is people like me going to work and paying taxes who are paying for your benefits, trev. As for Amazon, I very much doubt that Jeff Bezos lies in bed all day!

        Yorkshire Jobcentre Work Coach

        August 13, 2020 at 7:25 am

      • @ Yorkshire jobcentre Work Coach

        You have a very simplistic, almost child-like, understanding of how Taxation and State Benefits work. And I don’t lie in bed all day either, no one does unless they’re ill or it’s winter time and you can’t afford to put the heating on (or in some cases have no heating). You’ve obviously been duped by the Tory divide & rule rhetoric. Besides which I have paid Income Tax when I was working, as did my parents and grandparents all their working lives doing the most arduous jobs in factories, textile mills, coal mines and stone quarries, in between fighting in wars for this country. I am only claiming the State Benefits to which I am Rightfully, Legally, entitled, the same Benefits that you would also be entitled to claim if you were unable to find work.


        August 13, 2020 at 7:49 am

      • trev, have you ever tried explaining Monetary Theory and Money Creation in a Modern Economy to a Jobcentre ‘work coach’? *shakes head*. Talking about “pots of money” is at the level of the kindergarten.

        Pervyn Ming (Bank of England)

        August 13, 2020 at 8:00 am

      • Yeah, what happened to all the money our parents, grandparents… paid into this ‘pot’ doing the most God-awful jobs, and who popped their clogs without taking out a single penny?


        August 13, 2020 at 8:08 am

      • What utter piffle, Yorkshire Jobcentre Work Coach, just because you get out of bed in the morning doesn’t give you the right to dodge paying your taxes!

        Steve Jobs (deceased)

        August 13, 2020 at 11:08 am

      • On one hand Yorkshire Jobcentre Work Coach is trying to make trev feel like a common thief for claiming what he is legally entitled to by LAW. If you don’t like it YJWC – tough titties. Suck it up! On the other hand YJWC defends Jeff Bezos, Amazon/Jeff Bezos claim that they pay all the taxes that they are legally required to by LAW*. Jeff Bezos, the richest man in the world (worth over $100billion dollars) has no scruples, no conscience, so why should trev be riddled with guilt for claiming £70 a week.

        *The Labour Party calculated that if someone earning £30,000 a year paid tax at the rate Amazon pay tax their yearly tax bill would be a mere £17!

        Tim Cook

        August 13, 2020 at 11:18 am

      • @ Tim Cook

        Exactly. Some people are either too dim or too Reactionary to see who is really responsible for shafting them. Or perhaps they are so gullible as to believe the Tory crap about “scroungers” based upon the Victorian notion of the undeserving poor.


        August 13, 2020 at 3:10 pm

  39. This is now very bad.



    August 12, 2020 at 12:08 am

    • The Government is getting ready to lockdown the over-50s over the winter to begin with, but it will turn out to be indefinitely. ‘Coronavirus has got legs; it is the ‘new normal’. They are trying to work out if they can get away with it, what penalties are needed to enforce it, etc. They are also mulling over locking down anyone overweight/obese (it doesn’t take much to be ‘overweight’ if you are using the BMI (Body Mass Index), add another few pounds and you are ‘obese’). But the over-50s are in definitely in the sights, they want them out the workforce and locked up at home 24/7 until they die and are taken out in a wooden box or go nuts and are taken out in a straitjacket. Handy though in that it would ‘show good cause’ for not attending a jobcentre (if they reopened).


      August 12, 2020 at 12:26 am

      • You voices told you that did they?


        August 12, 2020 at 7:03 am

      • @ Arafiqya

        But that’s the opposite of what the DWP/Jobcentre have been doing over at least the last decade or more, they’ve been harassing the over 50s/60s to find work, and sending them on all those useless back-to-work schemes and employability courses. The emphasis has been on work and probably still is no matter your age, not to mention putting the State Pension out of reach. Work ’til you drop ought to be the DWP motto, not “Making Work Pay”. If I get put on lockdown over winter that’s fine by me, no jobcentre appointments!


        August 12, 2020 at 10:00 am

      • A LINO (Lockdown In Name Only) would be advantageous. You can still come and go as you please just like a regular down but it would keep the jobcentre off your case. Who needs ‘job coaches’ and their condescending, patronising bollocks anyway.


        August 12, 2020 at 12:35 pm

    • Thousands of older staff dropped out of the workforce during lockdown, figures show

      Many over-50s ‘forced into an early retirement they cannot afford’, as employers warned of rise in age discrimination

      He added that age discrimination – already a problem in UK workplaces – was likely to have worsened as a result of the crisis.


      Its a bloddy disgrace the country has fallen apart and anyone who speaks out (free speech) is being labled a Stalinist there will be no doubt more of this kind of behaviour.This episode is going to go down in history and is a stain and is an affront to a supposedly world class system.

      The number of lives/jobs and businesses and the economic fallout from this is far from over.


      August 12, 2020 at 8:57 am

  40. The government can try to lock me down over winter: I’m afraid I will ignore them and I suspect many others will too! Since our supposed betters in society do exactly as they want, eg Demonic Cummings, I shall follow their example! I have zero respect for society to start with! The police can’t follow us all, or throw us all in jail, and I shall offer to pay any fine at £1 a week since I am working and living in poverty!


    August 12, 2020 at 6:12 am

    • Its a total disgrace Kat,it sounds like you’ve been intimidated from claiming Universal Credit.

      If I had the skills and education I would have gone but thats only my opinion.


      August 12, 2020 at 8:41 am

      • Ken I had to think long and hard, I was on legacy benefit but my then landlord had to sell up as he didn’t seem to understand he had to pay the mortgage, in the end the building society lost patience so he sold up, can you imagine if I’d have not paid my rent? ?? I was there in that place 23 years, often had irate debt collectors looking for him, there you go
        I’d be entitled to a studio or 1 bed at my age but I’d need UC to help me, and after weighing it up I decided not to claim it, the housing benefit use to regularly get suspended due to their incompetence and I couldn’t face more of the same on UC where a sanction could leave me homeless, so I looked at rooms and here I am, ironically I don’t think I’d get UC here as the most my council will pay for a room in a shared house is £70 odd a week, I earn too much I think, and they’d probably try their luck dragging me into JCP and being funny, I don’t need the stress!
        I will never forget the time in the old house, where housing benefit fucked up and decided I’d been overpaid 2.5k due to not declaring income (bulls hit what happened was, id started cleaning, they’d messed my pay up, and ithen paid 2 months together as that’s what I was owed, housing thought I was getting double the amount every month, I was threatened with court and also summonsed for the additional council tax I ” owed” , I fought it myself, they dropped the overpayment to £400, the amount I’d been paid with the new months wage, I appealed it again, they found they owed me £500 in the end , did I see a penny of it? No they sent it to my beloved landlord!!! Who didn’t pay his mortgage!


        August 12, 2020 at 11:23 am

  41. https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/coronavirus-uk-rececssion-q2-gdp-economic-growth-covid-19-060301599.html

    I had a dream last night, where the work coches and customers swapped roles.


    August 12, 2020 at 7:30 am

    • They’d probably would get more done.


      August 12, 2020 at 8:59 am

  42. The comments on the internet its whats be said.



    August 12, 2020 at 11:23 am

  43. What is the point of Claimant Commitments and 35 Hour Jobsearch in the current situation ?
    A whole new approach to benefits is needed, with these numbers unemployed.

    Tom Sutton

    August 12, 2020 at 11:31 am

    • Totally agree Tom, we need a fairer less punitive system that is easier to access. No need for jobsearch requirements and Sanctions. But the Tories will never listen to reason when it comes to State Benefits, even Starmer was not in favour of introducing Basic Income during the pandemic (which we’re still in of course). But if not Basic Income then at least ease the Conditionality aspect and increase unemployment benefits to a reasonable amount.


      August 12, 2020 at 12:55 pm

      • i just sign on and go home they have not bothered with me since i kicked there ass at tribunal 😉


        August 12, 2020 at 1:56 pm

      • @ Fulham Fan

        The Malicious Communications Act 1988



        IP Address logged

        Police notified

        You’ll be getting a visit soon….


        August 12, 2020 at 4:29 pm

      • ken

        August 12, 2020 at 5:58 pm

      • @trev – Trev, it’s the ingrained fear that if you give people Universal Basic Income, a large majority will just stop bothering to work at all. Not the hedge-fund managers and commodity traders, property-developers and investment bankers. But the factory workers, shop assistants and cleaners. And then what will happen to society ? When there are not enough people willing to work in these basic services ?

        Tom Sutton

        August 12, 2020 at 6:34 pm

      • That probably is the fear but I think it’s unfounded. Most people do want to work, they want to earn as much as they can, they want £300, £400 per week and would not be satisfied with £90 per week to live on. People have families to feed and provide for. They want foreign holidays in the sun, new cars, Sky tv, etc. Nights out, and to own their own house. But in any case, it doesn’t necessarily have to be a Basic Income, just a fairer and less punitive Benefits system without unreasonable conditions and sanctions.


        August 12, 2020 at 7:04 pm

      • sod that trev i want £300 per hour lol 😉


        August 12, 2020 at 7:39 pm

      • Then you’ll either have to be a Harley Street shrink, a Solicitor, or a coke dealer.


        August 12, 2020 at 7:46 pm

      • sod it ill just start cooking meth , tho that would be a good course for a provider to teach pmsl!


        August 12, 2020 at 8:14 pm

      • trev, people want the high-paying cushy ‘jobs; that can afford them two SUVs in the driveway, four foreign holidays a year, Sky TV,… NOT toiling for minimum wage in a recycling plant unless you are mentally retarded like that Kenny character. That is why they Jobcentre treat all claimants as if they are mentally ill, and the only way to ‘cure’ your ‘mental illness’ is some shitty job in a recycling plant etc, like shitty work is some sort of ‘therapy’, shitty jobs that these smarmy full-of-shit ‘work coach’ bastards would never do themselves.


        August 13, 2020 at 8:18 am

    • The truth is that NOBODY can obey their claimant commitment to the letter or look for work for 35 hours a week. NOBODY DOES THAT FOR ANY LENGTH OF TIME BECAUSE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE!!! And laughable to because it cannot be policed. There is no way on earth that the DWP can surveil every claimant 24/7 to make sure they are toeing the line, especially if you don’t log your activities online with the Universal Credit Journal or Find-a-Job website. (If anybody actually uses Find-a-Job.) Apart from applying for jobs and attending interviews, or courses, or whatever arranged for you by the Jobcentre, basically, you can do as little or as much as you like as long as you show enough effort to keep the Work Coaches sweet, i.e., apply for a couple of jobs a week or similar.

      This is the way things really are and the idea that millions of people sit in front of computers and spend five to seven hours every day going through jobsites and such like looking for work, day in day out, day after day is bollocks, especially since advertised vacancies slumped by 60% thanks to Covid-19.

      If you demand that people do the impossible they won’t be able to do it.

      And when it comes to the 35 hour work search conditionality of UC, well, nobody does it.


      Flexed Bicep

      August 13, 2020 at 9:43 am

  44. Guys fear and worry not, it’s all gonna b ok really, just seen the government’s looking to appoint a new Head Of Pandemoc Preparedness so thy bigs won’t b as chaotic!!
    Think they’ll post it on Monster or cv Warehouse?? I’m going to apply on my cats behalf bcoz even he would do a better job than the clowns we have now……


    August 13, 2020 at 5:50 am

  45. @ James O’Brien

    I can see a problem with that. You would have to have a spare bedroom, which you’re not allowed on Housing Benefit without being subject to the ‘Bedroom Tax’. Many of us unemployed live in one bedroom flats or bedsits so wouldn’t be able to accommodate a homeless person. The rich should take them in. Lord Freud fir example has an eleven bedroom mansion in Kent and a four bedroom townhouse in London, just for him and his wife.


    August 13, 2020 at 7:12 am

    • And how are you privy to Lord Freud’s personal circumstances, trev? How do you know he doesn’t have lots of guests staying over?

      Lizzie Windsor

      August 13, 2020 at 11:29 am

      • @ Lizzie Windsor

        I know lots of things 😉. A few years ago I accidentally found myself on Lord Freud’s mailing list and received a confidential email intended for JCP Managers, and which was CC’d to all of them showing the names and email addresses of every JCP Manager in the country! Oops.


        August 13, 2020 at 1:30 pm

  46. Cloverleaf

    August 13, 2020 at 12:01 pm

  47. Getting a call from JC at 3pm I’ll let you know what they say.


    August 13, 2020 at 12:33 pm

    • @trev- Frankly Trev, it’s as much a moral crisis as a jobs crisis. It goes to the heart of how society is going to treat these millions of unemployed people. And the millions more that are to come.

      Alan Turner

      August 13, 2020 at 3:41 pm

      • Very true Alan. In essence Society is being asked to redefine itself. Do we want the same old rat race and gross inequalities, or something more civilized and functional? Covid is the catalyst for paradigm shift, the Tories just haven’t realised that yet because they are traditionally opposed and resistant to change. But needs must when the Devil drives!


        August 13, 2020 at 3:50 pm

      • The future for the UK out of the EU is massive escalating national debt and accelerated decline. The money is simply not going to be there to support people in the way they have been used to, including the sick, disabled and old age pensioners. It isn’t a matter of will or dogma but economics. You can’t get a pint out of a half-pint pot. Society is going to get slowly worse and colder not kinder and better under government by any party as the UK is eclipsed more and more by other nations without such high and rising social costs.

        Utopia doesn’t exist; dystopia beckons.

        Societies are seasonal things which bud, bloom fade and die and the UK is fading and fading fast, folks.


        August 14, 2020 at 9:25 am

      • @ Dyson

        “It isn’t a matter of will or dogma but economics.”

        That is what the Tories would have you believe. For example, the decision to delay payments of Universal Credit and force people to take advanced payments in the form of a repayable loan was not for any economic reason, nor was it for any necessary administrative structural reason, it was done simply as a matter of will as a policy decision. In fact, Austerity was never necessary either, merely the will of the Conservatives as a matter of Political dogma. This is a rich country, the problem lies in the distribution of wealth. Sure, we’re heading for hard times with the Covid- driven Recession and also Brexit, but don’t let them fool you into believing the country is skint.


        August 14, 2020 at 1:35 pm

      • It’s not just the Tories, trev, it’s everyone, everywhere, without exception. North Americans, South Americans, Russians, Indians, Oceanians, Venezuelans, Chinese, Scandinavians, Cubans… left politically, right politically, centrist, apolitical… capitalists, communists, liberals, autocrats… you name it it’s everyone everywhere. Apart from a small number of unspectacular and often failed pilots it’s not happening, hasn’t happened previously, and has no sign now of ever happening anywhere in the future. There’s a reason for that. Move on.

        Idaho Jones

        August 14, 2020 at 3:32 pm

      • @ Idaho Jones

        I take it you’re referring to Basic Income. Not only can it happen, it is inevitable because the current situation is unsustainable. Unemployment is set to rise massively and become the norm, the present social security system cannot cope with such a change. It’s not like a few jobs are going to be lost for a short time until things recover, it’s a major shift, things will never recover. Advances in technology will also mean that fewer people are in work. Therefore a new system is required, one that is not based upon coercion and punishment, but upon support and sharing the wealth.


        August 14, 2020 at 5:25 pm

      • Here’s some maths based on North America to illustrate the impossibility of UBI:

        View at Medium.com

        The cost of UBI outstrips any possible cash take to fund it made by means of taxation.


        August 14, 2020 at 3:46 pm

      • @ Stormcrow

        If people have more money to spend it would boost the economy and provide growth, whereas currently QE just artificially props-up a failing system. Also Billions could be saved that is currently spent on unemployment benefits and keeping Jobcentres open, as well as on Working Tax Credits, which would no longer be needed. Plus of course people would be happier and therefore more productive, but you can’t put a price on happiness! 😊



        August 14, 2020 at 5:16 pm

  48. Any news on this?

    PCS consultative ballot of jobcentre and Universal Credit workers opens 17 August

    07 Aug 2020
    The government’s plans to extend hours in 21 Universal Credit service centres and jobcentre hours until 8pm on weekdays and increase face-to face contact with the public will be put to PCS members in a consultative ballot running from 17 August to 7 September.

    We represent tens of thousands of civil servants working for DWP who have been working flat out during lockdown, supporting claimants to access Universal Credit, benefits and employment support.

    However, with ministers insisting jobcentres should open to the public, including beyond normal office hours without consulting us or doing a proper risk assessment, PCS has decided to a consultative ballot to get the views of all union members working in jobcentres and the 21 Universal Credit service centres. A further statutory ballot would have to be held and reach the 50% turnout threshold for any strike action to go ahead.

    DWP has informed PCS that 270 jobcentres and 21 UC service centres will extend their operating hours to 8pm and Saturdays from 30 November. It could also be extended to other offices in the future.

    Ballots will be sent out by email to members who have registered a personal email address for an online vote, while those who do not have a registered email address will receive a postal ballot paper, which they will need to complete and post to the independent scrutineer.

    Vote yes
    We are urging members to vote yes to support our demands on:

    Safety – during a global pandemic, with many eminent scientists predicting a second wave of Covid-19 in the winter months and as evidence grows of a rise in infection rates, we believe it is wrong to extend operating hours, or to reopen jobcentres to the public at this time as it would be putting the safety of our members at risk.
    Equality for part-year members – deciding to hold a 5-week planning period when most part-year staff will not be at work will undoubtedly put those members at a disadvantage when their working patterns will be decided. They will be excluded from the planning process that determines when they may have to work to 8pm or on Saturdays. DWP has failed to carry out an equality analysis which is directly disadvantaging those members with a protective characteristic who will be absent from work during the month of August.
    Failure to identify a business requirement – PCS does not accept that there is evidence of any customer demand for DWP to extend operating hours to 8pm or on Saturdays from the end of November.
    Failure to meaningfully consult with the unions – During the pandemic PCS has met DWP at least twice a week and successfully negotiated improvements for staff on a wide range of issues such as health and safety, annual leave and personnel policy changes. DWP is required to meaningfully consult PCS on any proposed change to opening hours. Appallingly DWP only gave PCS 48 hours’ notice in advance of the announcement to extend operating hours and has made clear that it does not intend to meaningfully consult with your union to justify their decision and plan to impose it.

    It withdraws its notice to staff to extend operating hours.
    There is no escalation of footfall in the jobcentre estate and only interviews with those identified as the most vulnerable are conducted in jobcentres throughout the course of the pandemic.
    Changes put in place during the pandemic, which have allowed the focus to be on paying benefits to those who need them, continue with no escalation in labour market activity.
    Meaningful consultation on the demand to extend services and the risk assessment process to take place nationally prior to any formal notice issued to staff.
    A full equality analysis to be carried out on both the extended hours and re-opening of Jobcentres in consultation with PCS and identified risks fully mitigated.
    If DWP does not agree to our demands by 17 August we have made clear we will be in dispute.

    What do I do if I haven’t got a ballot paper?
    Members should allow until Tuesday 25 August to receive their ballot paper, before requesting a replacement.


    Andrew Coates

    August 13, 2020 at 3:19 pm

    • I expect we’ll hear when the time is up, either after 17 th August or 7th September, whichever it is. It’s only 13th now so will be still ongoing.


      August 13, 2020 at 3:38 pm

    • Who would want to a Work Coach under these circumstances ? Working until 8pm trying to clear a hopeless backlog of tasks. While supervisors shout about targets, and every morning there on your computer screen is the face of Therese Coffey. Like Big Sister, urging you on with more sickening DWP propaganda.

      Jeff Smith

      August 13, 2020 at 3:38 pm

      • I wouldn’t mind and would put a bit of stick about. Being cruel to be kind and all that.

        de Sade

        August 14, 2020 at 8:45 am

    • For the love of God who the heck will want to go to the Jobcentre for an appointment in the cold, wet and dark through sleet, hail, storm and snow in winter in the evening? I mean seriously, folks. Any takers out there? Anybody reckon THAT is going to popular with DWP staff and the great unwashed?


      August 14, 2020 at 8:55 am

  49. The stasi called earlier it only lasted 5 minutes thank god, I was asked what kind of work I’m looking for and if I would benefit from some training (not mandatory) so I declined. I’m guessing they could get us to do some crap online poverty pimp course to make money for them and to waste our time, hope I’m wrong. I also asked when the jc will be opening again, was told it won’t be anytime soon!


    August 13, 2020 at 3:27 pm

    • Thanks for the update, I wonder what “training” they have in mind. Good that Jobcentre closure is still indefinite regarding attendance.


      August 13, 2020 at 3:41 pm

    • Complete waste of time Cloverleaf, nothing is going to change the fact that there are even less jobs now, hope they don’t start with online povo shite, put those f*ckers into quarantine permanently!


      August 13, 2020 at 3:59 pm

    • Just say no to computer based training at home. You can refuse to use any website that uses cookies under EU data privacy legislation (which will be changed later most likely) and can only be forced to use a computer at the Jobcentre or similar. Which of course won’t be possible while the Covid thing remains ongoing.


      August 14, 2020 at 8:48 am

  50. In this episode of Keiser Report’s annual Summer Solutions series, Max and Stacy talk about the role technology plays in causing the deflation that may lead to an abundant future, if the gains are shared.

    They are joined by tech entrepreneur Jeff Booth, who’s the author of ‘The Price of Tomorrow: Why Deflation is the Key to an Abundant Future.’

    “Transitioning from an inflationary world to a deflationary world, people should be scared,” he says, adding, “There’s going to be a disruption and that disruption is coming no matter what.”

    According to Booth, “There’s nothing fundamental that governments can do to stop the rate of technology progress. And if you just ask about what technology does – it’s supposed to remove labor.”

    All companies use technology to reduce labor and they use it to provide abundance, the tech expert says. “And what’s happening is that you have technology moving at an exponential pace, driving prices down, and governments all around the world caught in an inflationary trap that they created themselves out of the monetary policy, fighting against that force.”

    Booth says that he then asks himself, “Isn’t it good when the value of your money goes up and prices go down, like for you personally?” He explains that people then “could work less time and the abundance of technology would be broadly distributed instead of being concentrated, like it is today.”

    Max & Stacey

    August 13, 2020 at 3:50 pm

    • Read that as ‘A review of David Ickes’ new book – The Answer – (available as a free pdf) 😀 But once the misty eyes clear, reality *bump*

      Kit Kat

      August 13, 2020 at 9:06 pm

      • Mmmm…not sure that David Icke has the answer.


        August 13, 2020 at 9:18 pm

      • I seek not to know the answer but to understand the question.

        D. Icke Esq.

        August 14, 2020 at 8:27 am

    • Yet another iron maiden.


      August 14, 2020 at 8:58 am

      • @ Haemochromatosis

        Would you care to explain what you mean by that?


        August 14, 2020 at 1:24 pm

  51. I have not heard from my new work coach, since lockdown, I was in the middle of being switched to see someone else, as the one I been seeing is moving onto something else.

    The job centre I attend when I have to, 99% of the time I get a quick phonecall) I can’t see customers attending for a long time


    August 13, 2020 at 9:17 pm

    • Same thing here on the customer attending. Haven’t been in my Jobcentre since the beginning of March. During my last call, last week, I was told they are waiting till the furlough money has stopped to see who has a job to go back to and who doesn’t. Then they’ll be able to assign the workloads to the new and existing coaches.

      jj joop

      August 14, 2020 at 10:22 am

      • Potentially a respite from Jobcentre attendance until October 31st then?

        The Question

        August 14, 2020 at 10:58 am

      • It’s strange how JJ Joop seems to want to go back to the Jobcentre and start signing again ? Why not just accept that you have gained a break from this for a while ?


        August 14, 2020 at 11:13 am

      • I don’t think Mr Joop is in a hurry to go back to the Jobcentre, just wondering when normal service is likely to resume so that he knows where he is and better able to make plans and such like. I mean if I’m going to have another two and a half months without having to go to my Jobcentre, well, I’d like to know it. Knowing in advance what was coming, removing uncertainty, would be a fine thing as far as I’m concerned.

        Thoth Tarot

        August 14, 2020 at 11:45 am

      • JJ Joop is lucky he is getting calls, if that’s what he wants ! My local Jokeshop has been closed for months. Sign outside saying you can’t go in. Looks like one of those stores gone bankrupt. No calls to anyone I know.
        Just silence.


        August 14, 2020 at 12:44 pm

      • @Dave

        Let me be absolutely clear. I am in no hurry to get back to the Jobcentre. I’d be quite happy never to set foot in that blasted place again. I’m just keeping you guys in the loop with what’s going on at my Jobcentre.

        Can’t wait to get back in! The very idea.

        jj joop

        August 14, 2020 at 4:26 pm

  52. 9.6 Million people on furlough, perhaps 30% have already lost their jobs but don’t know it yet.
    But they will on 31st October. 5.6 Million currently on Universal Credit. The DWP are now so far in the proverbial, that they don’t know what to do. If they had any sense, they would give up now and declare Universal Basic Income.

    John Wentford

    August 14, 2020 at 11:03 am

  53. And this link


    4000+ people applying one entry level positon.

    I am doing some voluntary work for a company, would sooner it be paid work at the company,

    Looking forward to the fun and games at the job centre, hope my advisor does not phone me up too often, I can’t get more hours at the place where I do my voluntary work, as social dstance rules apply.


    August 14, 2020 at 11:36 am

    • Fellow on local TV in my area said that over 370 people applied for a minimum wage waitressing job in his restaurant, many of them graduates. Normally, he said, that only get a few dozens of application. I’m assuming that it’s customer tips that make the job attractive to so many.


      August 14, 2020 at 11:48 am

  54. A restaurant chain boss used to struggling to recruit new staff has received more than 800 applications for 15 new roles. Wayne Chadwick, owner of food firm the York Roast Co, advertised posts for two supervisors and 13 team members after being allowed to reopen last month.
    Mr Chadwick said: ‘Usually we would be lucky to have 20 people applying for the jobs that we were advertising for – with many not even turning up to the interview.

    Frank Taylor

    August 14, 2020 at 12:34 pm

  55. And I suppose the unemployed are just supposed to play along with this ? Making token applications one after another, for jobs they haven’t any real chance of getting. All now taking part in some stupid paper-chasing game of unemployment.

    Tom Sutton

    August 14, 2020 at 12:38 pm

    • That’s exactly what happens! People make token job applications, which they know in advance are almost certainly not going to get anywhere, in order to satisfy pointless rules. Employers then get inundated with applications from unsuitable people for vacancies wasting both their and the applicant’s time to no good effect. And so the cycle repeats like a hamster in a hamster wheel, running but getting nowhere. Universal credit in a nutshell.

      Marcel Vanderpump

      August 14, 2020 at 1:34 pm

  56. You should be able to claim Benefits Only, or if you want to, Benefits & Worksearch.
    That would stop all this stuff with people just pretending to jobsearch.

    Garry L.

    August 14, 2020 at 12:51 pm

    • Trouble is unless you keep everybody under scrutiny, for 35 hours a week, in a Jobcentre, corroborating individual jobsearch records is impossible because there aren’t enough staff to crosscheck what people say. The powers that be simply cannot monitor millions of people supposedly doing jobsearch for 35 hours a week. Can’t be done. This effectively means that jobsearch is meaningless because it is completely and utterly impossible to police, corroborate and verify. Like so much else Conservative social policy only a blithering idiot would ever have tried to make an impossible demand a condition that benefit claimants are supposed to satisfy in order to get entitlements.

      Lord Freud was of course the blithering idiot that did this.

      Thanks, Dave!


      August 14, 2020 at 1:29 pm

      • You can of course be stuck on a “course” where they do make you spend nearly all the day doing “job search”.

        Andrew Coates

        August 14, 2020 at 3:32 pm

      • The 35-hour a week jobsearch is nonsense because people all work at different speeds. You could say you spent the day carefully filling in an online application form when in fact you only spent 30 minutes and the rest of your time watching comic videos on youtube or having a picnic on the coast. Or you could claim that you perused job boards, looking for vacancies, for five or six hours when in fact you were visiting blogs like this and making comments like the one I’m typing now. There’s no way anybody can say that you didn’t because unlike an exam there’s nothing physical to be marked or time limit during which you have to get a certain amount of work done, so there’s no way for anybody to judge or assess how hard you’ve worked or how well or badly you’ve done. The whole caper is 100% worthless because there is no standard metric to use to measure your effort in comparison to others. I do not believe for one single moment than anybody and I really do mean anybody, rigorously work-searches or job-seeks for a full 35 hours a week because I don’t believe it’s possible for anybody to seek work as actively as that for long, even less so now that the number of vacancies has been slashed by 60% thanks to coronavirus. What’s more I fully believe that the staff in most Jobcentres realised this to be the case long ago and no longer enforce the 35 hour job-search commitment seriously anymore as some of them did in the beginning with dire results.

        So if the 35-hour work-search doesn’t work because it is impossible, can’t be policed or invigilated anyway, and isn’t enforced by the people in charge of monitoring claimants it why the heck keep it? Answer: Because if the government scrapped the sanctions regime, which anybody with half a brain can run rings around anyway, they would have to admit that something at the heart of universal credit was rotten and lose face as a result.

        It’s vanity that’s the thing preventing the Conservatives from improving the situation.


        August 14, 2020 at 6:20 pm

  57. Which one would superted choose ?

    Larry Grayson

    August 14, 2020 at 1:03 pm

    • ill sign on once a year by post 😉


      August 14, 2020 at 1:21 pm

  58. Conservative Peer tells Government to ditch Benefits cut next year:


    I don’t think she said anything about JSA claimants being denied the increase in the first place.


    August 14, 2020 at 3:20 pm

    • Presumably they will be ramping up migration of JSA recipients onto UC and phasing out JSA as soon as feasible so discrepancies like that won’t be an issue and everybody will be treated the same and equally poor.


      August 14, 2020 at 3:51 pm

      • @ Eloi

        They should award the increase to JSA too, and backdate it to April. Ultimately they might have to.


        August 14, 2020 at 5:30 pm

      • @trev – What will happen next April , when the benefits are due for their annual increase ? Surely it is not politically sustainable for 2 Million legacy claimants to be ignored again, while extra money is given to Universal Credit claimants ? When 1.8 Million of those legacy claimants are on ESA, and too sick to work ?
        All due respect to Keir Starmer, but I think Labour could do far more on this issue. And I notice a strange silence from the disability organisations, like DPAC and others, when you would have thought they would be far more concerned about this.

        Alan Turner

        August 14, 2020 at 7:10 pm

      • @ Alan Turner

        Come to think of it I haven’t heard of DPAC mentioning this particular issue so far as I’m aware, and Starmer hasn’t said much about Benefits other than that UC is need of an “overhaul”. I can’t see how they can get away with it but then again the Tories are a law unto themselves so I don’t know what’s going to happen. People on legacy Benefits seem to be the most under represented group of all, it’s like everyone’s pretending we don’t exist, the Tories, Labour,the media, never mention ESA/JSA.


        August 14, 2020 at 8:35 pm

  59. Inevitably it is easier for the DWP to administer millions of benefit claims, if they are all on the same system.
    Unemployment benefits, disability benefits, pensions, all of it. This was the ‘ welfare vision’ of Iain Duncan Smith. But they have been caught out by the pandemic, and their Managed Migration programme has been brought to a halt. This is largely what is behind their refusal to pay the £20 a week extra to the legacy claimants. They know full well that claimants are concerned about transferring to Universal Credit. Not suprising given its brutal reputation. So the DWP are attempting to force the issue by deliberately underpaying the legacy claimants, in the hope that this will encourage people to transfer. It won’t of course, so we can expect to see more dirty work of this kind in the months ahead.

    Jeff Smith

    August 14, 2020 at 4:50 pm

  60. You can’t have your £20 now, trev The Jobcentres where my parents and grandparents signed are no longer taking claims for JSA. Universal Credit claims are happening at a much faster rate as well. In another 50 years JSA claimants will be in the minority and the solution will no longer be achievable through the regular Jobcentre complaints process. That’s when the real trouble will start, and cue those words spoken by Horatius, the brave Captain of the gate.

    Captian Horatio at the JSA Gate

    August 15, 2020 at 3:05 am

    • 50 years?? We’ll all be long gone before then, and so will JSA !


      August 15, 2020 at 9:58 am

  61. @trev – I think there are a number of people on this blog who should check they have taken their medication, before posting. ‘Captian (sic) Horatio’ being a prime example.

    George Mortimer

    August 15, 2020 at 10:53 am

  62. One of the great advantages of Universal Credit for the DWP is how it conceals unemployment within the system. It’s like a smokescreen that covers the unemployed. Just a few hours of part-time work, or being put on a training course, or a placement, and the claimant counts as ’employed’. Even though the reality is they are not.

    Jeff Smith

    August 15, 2020 at 11:02 am

  63. The Cashless Welfare Card, also known as the Indue Card, Healthy Welfare Card or Cashless Debit Card, is a debit card, trialled by the Australian Government, which quarantines income for people on certain income support payments by not allowing the owner to purchase alcohol, gamble or withdraw cash.

    Indue Course

    August 15, 2020 at 11:05 am

    • Presumably the affected Aussies will still be able to smoke themselves silly though.

      Antipodean Angus

      August 16, 2020 at 8:14 am

    • @ Indue Course

      It will just encourage people to do cash-in-hand work, need some cash for fags & booze, mow a lawn for 20 quid. Or in some cases will lead to prostitution to buy crack/heroin/booze. Or grow weed to raise some cash.


      August 16, 2020 at 11:21 am

  64. Jobseekers urged to apply for FREE railcard giving 50% off fares

    If you’re on jobseeker’s allowance or job hunting and claiming universal credit you may be able to get a free railcard from the jobcentre which gives 50% off many rail tickets, thanks to a little-known discount scheme.

    The Rail Delivery Group, which represents train firms, is writing to politicians to ask them for help promoting the Jobcentre Plus Travel Discount Card, after new stats showed huge regional variation in how much it’s used. Between March 2017 and March 2018 there were almost 290,000 journeys made using the card in London, but under 2,000 in the North East.



    August 15, 2020 at 3:19 pm

    • First I’ve ever heard of it. Not that I ever go anywhere by train. I might do if I got a job that involved commuting but then I wouldn’t qualify for the discount. But on JSA with no money to spend I can’t afford to just have a day out somewhere for the sake of it.


      August 15, 2020 at 3:32 pm

    • I had one of those. I had to pay £6.00 to have passport photos taken in a PhotoMe booth and only used one of the four to have my discount card made by the Jobcentre. Then I had trouble nearly every journey with guards not being able to find the discount card on their ticketing machines, particularly on branch lines, to give me the discount: about 50% of the time I had trouble getting the discount without explanation and sometimes argument. It only lasts for 3 months too as I remember.


      August 16, 2020 at 8:12 am

      • @Post-O

        I had exactly the same problem when I was provided with travel warrants by the Jobcentre. The staff at the ticket office had a devil of a time trying to find them on the system. The same with the railcard as well. It’s all all automated now with ticket machines at the train station. The machine recognizes every discount card bar the one the Jobcentre provides. And if you get on the train now without a ticket, it’s a mandatory fine. The ticket inspectors aren’t interested in your reasons for not having a ticket.

        jj joop

        August 16, 2020 at 10:48 am

      • Its much the same here claiming benefits its claimed.


        August 16, 2020 at 11:33 am

      • Working Links gave me a ‘travel warrant’ for the train once. The bloke behind the counter in the ticket office just pushed it back through and said: “We don’t deal with those c**un**ts”. Not wanting to risk a sanction I paid out of my own money. Surprise, surprise! Working Links never did reimburse me. Bastards!


        August 16, 2020 at 1:55 pm

  65. have you tried camping ?

    Nancy B

    August 15, 2020 at 6:32 pm

  66. https://uk.yahoo.com/news/furlough-scheme-jobs-lost-coronavirus-083012086.html

    so 2 millions jobs could be lost

    The job centre will be fun and games,


    August 16, 2020 at 9:11 am

  67. And at the back of the queue, standing there quietly waiting for justice….. The Legacy Claimants.

    Gregory Parminter

    August 16, 2020 at 3:22 pm

    • It’s going to be a long wait. My (Labour) MP has made it clear that he’s not interested in anything to do with Benefits. No one cares. We’re on our own.


      August 16, 2020 at 3:27 pm

      • @trev – It’s the Curse Of The Welfare Party once again. I can understand it to some extent, Labour want to concentrate on the economy, schools, the pandemic etc. And they don’t want to give the Tories the chance to make it look as if Labour are still mainly concerned with welfare. But with the end of the furlough scheme in October, and a projected 2 million more unemployed, Labour will not be able to avoid the welfare issue for much longer. And that will have to include the legacy claimants.

        Jeff Smith

        August 16, 2020 at 3:41 pm

  68. Working Links were notorious for not providing work clothes, boots or interview suits. for people on the Work Programme. Even though they were contracted to do it. They just kept putting people off on the basis of the budget. On a £170 Million contract !! Just like the rubbish CVs they didn’t produce. I remember one Work Coach telling me that the JC were ”Sick and tired of people coming back in here after two years, without even a CV.”

    Matt H.

    August 16, 2020 at 3:28 pm

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