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Benefits Shake up proposed: DWP considers ‘new single benefit’ for Ill and Disabled People.

DWP looking at single new benefit to take place of Universal Credit, PIP  and ESA - Birmingham Live

New Shake Up.

Yesterday the story about a new single benefit for sick and disabled people came up.

Trev commented,

The proposed merger between UC and PIP seems to be all about preventing people from getting PIP, I reckon that’s what it’s all about.

The story has now developed.

DWP considers ‘new single benefit’ for sick and disabled people. Welfare Weekly, today).

The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) is exploring the idea of a single benefit for sick and disabled people, it has been reported.

Some 1.4million claim Disability Living Allowance (DLA) or its replacement Personal Independence Payment (PIP) – paid to help people with the costs of being disabled. Others claim ESA (Employment and Support Allowance), which UC is replacing.

The DWP says keeping all these different benefits and having just one assessment wouldn’t work. A brand new scheme would be a way to make the whole system simpler, it says.

The proposal is included in the DWP’s recent report ‘Shaping Future Support: The Health and Disability Green Paper.’

NOTE; The Green Paper was published on the 20th of July and the consultation ended on the 11th of October.

As the Mirror points out today, “A little-reported Green Paper over the summer said a ‘new single benefit’ could combine payments – with Tory welfare chief Therese Coffey saying ‘everything is on the table'”

The Welfare Weekly article continues,

“Responding to the proposal of creating a new benefit or merging ESA, DLA & PIP with Universal CreditDisability Rights UK (DRUK) said: “We are very suspicious of the Green Paper suggestion that Ministers could create a “new single benefit” so as to simplify the application and assessment process..

“Given the stress, worry, fear and distrust work capability assessments and PIP assessments cause Disabled people, the prospect of only having one assessment and not two is only superficially attractive at best.

“Given the repeated stress the Green Paper gives to “affordability” we believe the DWP is being disingenuous and the actual reason for the single benefit suggestion is likely to be reducing expenditure.”

Gail Ward, from the Hand2Mouth Project, said: “Those on Legacy Benefits will be Migrated to UC in 2023/24 and the merging of ESA,DLA/PIP will be a disaster for claimants and potentially means that PIP will become means tested.

“The form descriptors while having different criteria are already closely aligned and the DWP were calling PIP ‘a functional benefit’ in an evidence session before the Work and Pensions Committee recently.

……

The warning is very clearly when Therese Coffey suggested that severe disability group could be nudged into some type of work or training programme is a loud and clear message to all claimants that they want to cut overall costs and cut claimant numbers.”

Or as the Mirror notes of the DWP Minister,

Ms Coffey also suggested she was concerned by the number of people claiming PIP for mental health difficulties, saying she wanted to “target that even more so to people who really need that support”.

She added: “PIP has certainly grown in a way that was not anticipated when it was introduced.

“To give you an example, three out of four young people who claim PIP have their primary reason being mental ill health.

“That in itself is 189,000 young people who currently receive benefit focused on that. There may be other benefits they receive as well.

This seems, as our contributors have commented, part of a wider strategy to merge all benefits. The problem is, as Universal Credit has already shown, this can create bureaucratic and information technology nightmares. As well as, as he above comment about ‘affordability’ indicates, being an excuse for cutting benefit levels.

This is the Minister in Charge of the Green Paper:

Written by Andrew Coates

October 19, 2021 at 11:08 am

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  1. PIP and DLA could be scrapped and replaced with one benefit with UC
    *A whole new assessment system would need to be created.*

    https://www.devonlive.com/news/uk-world-news/pip-dla-could-scrapped-replaced-6075926

    Andrew Coates

    October 19, 2021 at 12:44 pm

    • Universal Credit payments have been branded “inadequate” and the whole system “complicated to navigate”.

      The comments come from a new report which has found the end to the £20 uplift will have a significant impact upon claimants.

      Analysis by academics at the universities of Bath and Oxford suggests the way the uplift was experienced reveals deeper, structural issues with Universal Credit – creating complexity and confusion for claimants.

      https://www.itv.com/news/2021-10-19/universal-credit-inadequate-payments-and-complicated-to-navigate

      Andrew Coates

      October 19, 2021 at 1:35 pm

    • True to the Principle Of Benefit Reduction By Combination, where ‘benefits are systematically reduced by combination of previously separate benefits. The new benefit having increased conditionality and reduced
      claimant eligibility .Thus allowing for significant cost savings ‘ ( J.Smith, 2019 )

      Jeff Smith

      October 19, 2021 at 2:35 pm

      • That is exactly what they are doing Jeff. Cutting back cost and making things more difficult for claimants.
        There is a lot of poor quality work out there, and they want people to take it. Not stay on benefits.

        George M

        October 19, 2021 at 3:51 pm

  2. “Government” itself does no harm, because it is a fictional entity. But the belief In “Government”-the notion that some people actually have the moral right to rule over others, has caused immeasurable pain and suffering, injustice and oppression, enslavement and death ~ Larken Rose.

    Cloverleaf

    October 19, 2021 at 1:38 pm

  3. Retrospective action: Take selfie holding your passport next to your face with today’s newspaper or your Universal Credit claim will be closed & all past payments treated as debt. (or fraud?)

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/retrospective_action_take_selfie#incoming-1899642

    superted

    October 19, 2021 at 2:50 pm

  4. Coffey has decided that too many people in her opinion are claiming PIP for mental illnesses, which are of course all in the mind and not real illnesses. Coffey’s attitude has set mental health back decades. There have been various publicity campaigns in recent years to raise awareness of mental illness, to watch out for the signs, to be supportive, and help reduce both the stigma of mental illness and the number of tragic suicides it has lead to, with various high profile figures, footballers, Princes, etc. bearing their soul to the world. Coffey is in a world of her own where mental illness can be shrugged off and people with Depression, Anxiety, Bi-Polar disorder, Aspergers, Autism, Agorophobia, Anorexia, Bulimia, Schizophrenia, don’t need to have any extra Benefits because there’s nothing wrong with them and most are faking it. Therese Coffey should be made to resign.

    trev

    October 19, 2021 at 2:54 pm

  5. trev

    October 19, 2021 at 3:13 pm

  6. For many people on benefits it comes down to a simple choice, is it better to stay on benefits ? Or take on a minimum-wage job ? Often on a zero-hours or part-time basis . And this is not the easy choice that the DWP make it out to be. For the claimant has to factor in the type of work, is it suitable ? Or too physically demanding ? What are the hours ? How much are the wages ? What are the transport costs in reaching the proposed employment ? etc.
    In the case of the long-term unemployed, the situation is exacerbated by their lack of financial resources.
    How will someone in this precarious position be able to sustain themselves for the initial period before they are paid ? Something which is a strong disincentive to taking a job, after a long absence from work. And another major factor which the DWP attempt to ignore, instead of attempting to solve.
    A friend of mine. long-term unemployed, has been considering taking on some Xmas work. On the plus side, it is something to add to his CV. On the negative side, he will have to sign-off benefits, and then go through
    what he has described as the ”whole f**king procedure again” to re-register on benefits. The Claimant Commitment meeting, the 5 week wait for any money, etc.etc. Any extra he has earned in this short-term job, will likely be spent by the time his benefit comes through. Plus he has to endure the weeks of stress and uncertainty before this. And of course, no actual money. So it’s not an easy choice, by any means.

    Jeff Smith

    October 19, 2021 at 4:18 pm

    • There are people on the sick claiming ESA and PIP who are not fit to work and probably never will be, I know of one such young man and there is no way he is capable of working, but that doesn’t stop TPTB from forever steering him towards applying for jobs or work placements via the nudge efforts of various Health Workers and Social Workers that are involved in this lad’s life in the form of a pestering influence. The lad himself genuinely does want to work but clearly isn’t capable. In fact I know of a few older people too who are in receipt of sickness Benefits and who will never be capable of working.

      trev

      October 19, 2021 at 4:48 pm

    • Actually if a universal credit claimant takes a job which lasts less than six months he/she can just roll back onto universal credit without having to reapply from scratch if he/she needs to.

      Martin

      October 20, 2021 at 6:00 am

  7. DWP orders Universal Credit claimants to pose with today’s newspaper to rule out fraud

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/dwp-orders-universal-credit-claimants-25251275

    superted

    October 19, 2021 at 4:49 pm

    • Andrew Coates

      October 19, 2021 at 5:00 pm

      • The entire Social Security system is a bloody shambolic disaster. Billy Smart’s circus could do a better job of running it. I personally don’t know anyone who would vote Tory but whoever these people are they need a good shake.

        trev

        October 19, 2021 at 5:33 pm

      • How on earth can a claimant’s right to entitlement depend on a third party taking a digital photograph of them standing outside of a property holding a newspaper? Suppose that have no digital camera or smartphone to take a picture? Suppose they can’t find another person willing to take a photo of them posing with a street sign? Street signs? Really? And if you are unable to follow a series of bizarre instructions by a certain date you entitlement to benefits gets summarily rescinded? Are we living in 21st century Britain or Monty Python land? That surely can’t possibly be standard procedure can it? And what happens if you can’t produce acceptable photo ID, which millions of British citizens still don’t possess? This seems so wrong to me that I wonder if the story is factual.

        If the story is 100% true the world has lost its marbles.

        Stephen

        October 20, 2021 at 6:13 am

  8. They’ll make you send a video of you jumping through a hoop next.. why should you take a picture of your home,how would the work coach know if it’s your house or not

    Big bird

    October 19, 2021 at 5:35 pm

    • It’s beyond ridiculous. The DWP are scraping the barrel of banality and have reached a new low. I could quite easily Photoshop myself posing outside No.10 Downing Street holding a copy of Readers Wives if it would speed up a Benefits application.

      trev

      October 19, 2021 at 6:23 pm

  9. The Disability Green Paper is a political paper that uses disability for a political means, which is the opposite of help. Disabled people should forget about their disabilities & become normal able bodied people who can strike through the work force & succeed in marketing jargon. Let’s start with disability benefits, which will now be normal benefits aka Universal Credit does not compute disability simple as.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    October 19, 2021 at 6:41 pm

  10. Lots of people have a disability because they don’t have a smart phone. They are not cheap.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    October 19, 2021 at 6:42 pm

    • I notice they’re introducing shops where you can only pay by smart-phone, to keep out the really poor.

      LONDON, Oct 19 (Reuters) – Britain’s biggest retailer Tesco (TSCO.L) will on Tuesday open its first checkout-free store in central London, allowing customers to shop and pay without scanning a product or interacting with a cashier.

      Tesco’s move follows similar trials by rivals, including Amazon (AMZN.O), Aldi and Morrisons (MRW.L).

      Customers with the Tesco.com app will be able to check-in to the store, pick up the groceries they need and walk straight out without visiting a checkout.

      A combination of cameras and weight-sensors will establish what customers have picked up and charge them for products directly through the app when they leave the store.

      Customers will receive a receipt on their phone within a few minutes of leaving the store.

      https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/britains-tesco-opens-checkout-free-store-london-2021-10-18/

      Andrew Coates

      October 19, 2021 at 7:00 pm

      • It looks like we are creeping even closer to the cashless society britcoin on the way, all part of the great reset!?!

        Cloverleaf

        October 19, 2021 at 8:28 pm

  11. We need to finish off the roll out of Universal Credit or ……………..

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    October 19, 2021 at 6:43 pm

  12. Six more months!

    Cloverleaf

    October 19, 2021 at 7:15 pm

    • Belfield needs to stfu and get vaccinated. If he’s really worried about the road to Fascism he ought to be making videos about Raab’s intentions to over-rule the Human Rights Act. But he won’t do that because he, Belfield, is a fucking Tory.

      trev

      October 19, 2021 at 7:30 pm

    • yet i said this would happen 10 months ago as wanted 2 years from the start lol.

      superted

      October 19, 2021 at 7:47 pm

  13. it only ends when the testing stops.

    6.Death occurrences in August 2021 and year-to-date
    This section is based on the date a death occurred – rather than the date of registration used in the previous sections ­- to monitor current mortality trends. Further information can be found in Section 10: Measuring the data.

    In England, 35,918 deaths occurred in August 2021 (and were registered by 7 September 2021). This was 1,528 fewer deaths than the five-year average (2015 to 2019) for August (4.1% lower). Of the 35,918 deaths that occurred, 6.1% were due to coronavirus (COVID-19) (2,183 deaths).

    In Wales, 2,411 deaths occurred in August 2021 (and were registered by 7 September 2021), which was 79 fewer deaths than the five-year average (3.2% lower). COVID-19 was the underlying cause of death in 3.0% of all deaths that occurred (72 deaths).

    In England, the first death due to COVID-19 occurred on 30 January 2020. Figure 6 shows the trend in COVID-19 death occurrences from March 2020 onwards. The largest number of COVID-19 deaths that occurred in a single day in England was on 8 April 2020 (1,228 deaths), followed by 19 January 2021 (1,203 deaths).

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/august2021#deaths-registered-in-the-year-to-date

    run for the hills we are all going to die cant put that on the news tho do they 😉 us poor fuckers at least have a choice of freezing to death or starving to death.

    superted

    October 19, 2021 at 8:18 pm

    • You can quote statistics all you want but the fact is there’s still thousands of extra deaths due to Covid, thousands of infections, thousands of deaths. People aren’t wearing facemasks or observing safe social distancing, many are not using the hand disinfectant on way into supermarkets. Lockdown may be necessary again.

      trev

      October 19, 2021 at 8:38 pm

  14. so if the covid deaths are 6.1% 93.9% died from other causes lock downs dont stop the spread of any virus it was to protect the nhs lol.

    on avg 1500 ppl die every day from all causes yet covid deaths could not match this for 1 day as above.

    like it or not it would have been cheaper to give every one a gas mask from the start but that’s not there agenda is it and you seen 1 person with one of those on nope.

    https://www.mirasafety.com/collections/featured-products/products/cm-7m-military-gas-mask

    and dont forget what i said said months ago the next lock down will be based on cases not deaths when from there own numbers deaths are down overall and never reported only covid bs on msm.

    more tests more cases more lockdowns like i said it ends when the testing does, yet i cant even get a blood test pmsl.

    msm turns you in to one of these 😉

    superted

    October 19, 2021 at 9:07 pm

    • Main thing is to get vaccinated then get the booster:

      ‘Critical’ to accelerate booster programme, says professor

      Asked if Covid booster jabs are the answer to waning immunity, Professor Neil Ferguson told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “Absolutely, and there’s data coming through now, which is not completely clear cut, but good data coming through from Israel, which shows that, if you’ve had the third booster dose of the vaccine, then you get very high loads, better than even you had after the second dose.

      “And so I do think it’s critical we accelerate the booster programme.

      “The other thing is infection rates are highest in teenagers at the moment and most other European countries are ahead of us in vaccinating teenagers and giving them two doses, not just one dose.

      “Two doses really are needed to block infection and prevent transmission, so I think that’s the other problem, keep pushing on, getting coverage rates up higher in the teenagers who are driving a lot of this infection.”

      The Sage member said the doubling time for hospital admissions is about five weeks, “so I think we need (to be) on the case, and we do need to prioritise the (booster) vaccination programme but we’re not in the same position as last year.

      “I don’t think it’s a reason to panic right now but I would certainly like to see vaccination booster doses accelerated, vaccination for teenagers accelerated”

      https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/health/live-yorkshire-covid-updates-britons-21897555

      trev

      October 19, 2021 at 9:13 pm

      • P.S.

        I had my Covid booster this afternoon, Pfizer this time. Had my first Covid jabs in January and April. Had my flu jab on 7th Oct. So am now up to date with my inoculations.

        trev

        October 19, 2021 at 9:17 pm

    • It’s got nothing to do with the mainstream media, it’s a case of following the official medical advice. Don’t question the Science, just follow instructions.

      trev

      October 19, 2021 at 9:20 pm

      • so why did boris override the jcvi based on science ? because it did not meet there agenda! and was over ruled.

        In order to protect mRNA molecules from the body’s natural defenses, drug developers must wrap them in a protective casing. For Moderna, that meant putting its Crigler-Najjar therapy in nanoparticles made of lipids. And for its chemists, those nanoparticles created a daunting challenge: Dose too little, and you don’t get enough enzyme to affect the disease; dose too much, and the drug is too toxic for patients.

        https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/10/moderna-trouble-mrna/

        why take a treatment that has been proven not to work by science and can kill you and why it is the worst vaccine roll out in history with deaths from taking it on the yellow card reporting system .

        what you going to do keep taking this crap for the rest of your life? and pay for it just so you can get in a shop with a digital passport yeah fuck right off with that bs.

        public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the UK HCID criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall),

        https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid

        superted

        October 19, 2021 at 9:48 pm

      • Leave the science to the scientists, it’s simply a case of following the correct medical advice for your own sake and for everyone else’s sake. The official mainstream doctors are the only people to listen to when it comes down to it. The sooner everyone gets vaccinated the better, that’s what they are saying, so just do it, it’s nothing to be afraid of, you’ll just feel a small prick…actually I didn’t even feel that today, nothing at all.

        trev

        October 19, 2021 at 10:00 pm

  15. if it is a vaccine why do you need a booster jab and a flu vaccine on top it does not stop you from getting it transmitting it or killing you with all the above.

    this drug was never licensed for use on humans because of the report in 2017 pre covid and was then dumped as spent billions on it yet was never used or licensed for any corona virus since and they was first discovered in the 1920s with the first electron microscope.

    the common cold and flu is a corona virus there is no cure and never will be because it mutates and has done for millions of years.

    as for different strains there is only a 3% change between them yet still cant find a cure for none of them.

    superted

    October 19, 2021 at 10:30 pm

    • Vaccination is not supposed to be a cure to coronavirus but a mitigation against its worst effects. Basically vaccination gives you a much better chance of avoiding death, hospitalisation or becoming very seriously ill and also reducing transmission by reducing the amount of virus in you which can be shed and passed on to others. Vaccination does not necessarily prevent you from being infected but does make infection much less dangerous to you and the risk of you passing on the virus to others. Fact. I’m afraid you’ve got hold of the wrong end of the stick, mate, but good luck to you anyway with the flu and covid over winter and in the future.

      Marty

      October 20, 2021 at 6:44 am

      • You also have a much better chance of avoiding death if you follow the green cross code it will save you from getting run over by a bus 🤔

        Cloverleaf

        October 20, 2021 at 8:30 am

      • Marty

        Remember all that how long the virus can live on cardboard and plastic ?
        How much of the virus would you say that amounts to on such items and if not of concern, why did expects bother to mention it.

        The vaccine was not designed to offer anything more than some protection for the person receiving it. If we could make a vaccine that restricts transmission, what would be the need to reduce the effects on the person whose vaccinated. What i suspect your referring to is a noted reduction of viral load in areas like the nasal droplets tested.

        A virus is a submicroscopic agent and the minimum effective dose needed to infect a person is scientifically unknown. A precise answer is impossible, because it’s difficult to capture the moment of infection according to virologists.

        Droplets aren’t the main issue, aerosols (droplets less than 5 microns in diameter) which can last in air for hours present the biggest problem when talking transmission.

        Add in you dont have to be sick and coughing and sneezing for transmission to occur (ie its more than possible to transmit while not being actually infected) and more to boot and its easy to understand why its so difficult a question to answer.

        How we physically interact with each other, infected items, even area and how often really dictates chance and length of exposure. This is the more creditable method of observing in order to reduce the chance of exposure than relying on a vaccine that while cant hurt, certainly cant and isn’t classified in anyway so as to guarantee transmission cant still occur anymore than a vaccinated person can still get infected.

        Ive said it before and will say it again regarding not just covid but also flu, colds and other viral infections, PRACTICE reducing exposure/interactions to/with people, especially in enclosed and more so unventilated spaces. Where unavoidable wear a mask while observing distance. If you come into contact with items both exterior and on your person of even people, wash/disinfect your hands (may need to wash face) prior to touching openings such as the mouth and nose.

        Doug

        October 20, 2021 at 10:24 am

      • @ Doug

        I’m still diligently washing my hands too, Doug, after hearing last year that one of the main vectors of transmission was picking up the virus manually touching basket handles in supermarkets, doorknobs and other things that people may have touched. I’m assuming that produce that doesn’t get peeled or cooked, like tomatoes, are picked these days by staff wearing masks and gloves etc. To be honest I have never abandoned the precautions introduced in 2020, i.e., social distancing, mask wearing and hand washing, even though I’ve been double jabbed and looking forward to a covid booster and flu vaccination as soon as I receive an invitation; about half of the people I see in shops and indoor venues seem to have thrown caution to the wind and abandoned such simple precautions which I think is foolish. Based on what I’ve heard on the news a most of the covid hospitalisations are unvaccinated people, many of them unvaccinated young people who missed catching the virus last year, and the mathematical modellers are warning about another covid surge over the winter made worse by flu which, on its own, nearly crippled the NHS before covid was even heard of. I retire in 2023 and really want to live long enough to do so, hence my caution, which I would recommend to everyone considering the current circumstances.

        (Savid Javid is holding a press conference later today I’ve just heard on BBC News.)

        Marty

        October 20, 2021 at 2:50 pm

      • Marty

        Most cases being unvaccinated is quite a generic term of phrase as somewhere not far from under half of all cases are under 18s which is naturally the largest group to be unvaccinated when you consider under 15 especially.
        When you look at the other half however you see a completely different picture where the majority of cases are actually vaccinated people at various stages of vaccination. This is to be expected though as around 79% are fully vaccinated while 7.1% have had 1st dose. The good thing is from a research data stance is at least now we are all getting to see just how effective the vaccines are without the unvaccinated muddying the water as so to speak.
        Sadly it isn’t painting a better picture if your numbers up and your vaccinated or not. You see pre vaccine the majority of the population didn’t get infected, didn’t end up in hospital and didn’t die so the notion the vaccine has made a difference is questionable and still open to debate. This leaves us with looking purely at confirmed cases and their respective hospitalizations and deaths.

        I have a notion those most liable to end up in hospital and even die are people with underlying health issues detected or not at the time but not having access to such material cant say more than its just my suspected opinion.
        Its all still early days i feel so we shouldn’t draw to conclusively around vaccines just yet and why im so adamant we all should still practice as you clearly do, that we be very mindful regarding masks,distance, indoor spaces and hygiene as it will serve us all far far better in so many ways.

        https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-surveillance-reports

        https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

        Doug

        October 20, 2021 at 10:22 pm

      • Yes facemasks, hand washing, and safe social distancing are all very important I agree, but if you’ve got any sense you’ll also take the opportunity to get vaccinated as required and as officially recommended by medical experts, simple as that. I really can’t understand why anyone would not get vaccinated.

        trev

        October 20, 2021 at 10:36 pm

      • where we live no one wore face masks from the start every one i know to this day has not had it or got the vaccine even the ppl in the local shop has not had it or the vaccine and not been shut for one day and plenty of stock even bog rolls and pasta.

        my nan died in hospital after 3 months and was tested all the time for covid and never got it even in hospital and died from kidney failure.

        this rna drug has no long term testing it was never licensed for use or even testing on humans becose it did not work and was first developed in 1992 and they spent 5 billion on it to cure cancer and it failed.

        they have had 90 years to cure the flue which is a strain of corona virus and have failed there is no vaccine only treatment to not make it as bad as it could be and not need to go to hospital.

        the avg age of death is over 80 with covid the population of the uk is imo 70 million+ so even with 150k dead over 2 years it is still a tiny amount

        if you look on the ons site for mortality from 1991 and back to when records began the mortality rate was higher every year going back to 1945.

        why did so many die, poverty! cutting the 20 quid a week means the same thing this is the future like it or not and it has only just begun.

        superted

        October 20, 2021 at 11:11 pm

      • it is just a joke to these ppl and all about control there scum!

        superted

        October 20, 2021 at 11:19 pm

      • “The official mainstream doctors are the only people to listen”.
        Actually virologists are the branch and its their data coupled with data of covid events that needs to be extrapolated if a person wants to better understand whats going on.

        “but if you’ve got any sense you’ll also take the opportunity to get vaccinated as required and as officially recommended by medical experts”.

        While getting vaccinated certainly does not hurt the majority, to put it in a manner that its more significant than physical precautions is disingenuous and flies in the face of the data and common sense.

        Covid/sars has been around for decades and while vaccines have yet to be proven completely effective, it has been without doubt the things we can do and have done in terms of physical precautions that has staved us from being in a far worse position.

        IF YOU DON’T PUT TWO PEOPLE IN A SAME SPACE ONE CANT TRANSMIT TO THE OTHER WHETHER VACCINATED OR NOT.

        Like it or not, the data pre vaccine (so water cant be muddied statistically by vac or nonvac) conclusively proved beyond all doubt the majority of the population nationally and internationally that the overwhelming majority of people DID NOT GET INFECTED, DID NOT END UP IN HOSPITAL AND DID NOT DIE AS A RESULT OF when we observe the population figures as a whole.

        The vaccines subtext is a method of hoping to achieve social functioning without the need to take the physical precaution of distance/space and extra hygiene practices above the norm ( i laugh when i say this particular one with good reason).

        Maybe the vaccine in time will turn the tide, hopefully they will make an even better one but the figures dont support anything beyond confirmed cases having a lower rate of hospitalization and or death as yet and the latest revelation surrounding the need for boosters just pushed that answer further down the road.

        Doug

        October 22, 2021 at 10:36 am

      • You’re making the mistake of thinking that you know better than mainstream doctors/scientists/virologists instead of doing as advised by those who know better. The advice is to get vaccinated against Covid 19.

        trev

        October 22, 2021 at 1:29 pm

    • Trev

      By mistake do you mean like you forgetting im already fully vaccinated ?

      Science (physics), engineering and math has always until 2016 been a part of my working life and while now just a private endeavor does not make me less able to understand these experts data despite being a different science.
      Anything i say regarding this issue is only taken from the experts data which is what i do regarding any subject. If i have only an opinion, i state as such rather than paint a picture i cant back up.

      I do not get involved nor care to the subject matter of whether people should or should not get vaccinated, something else you seem to have forgotten. That is a personal matter for the individual to decide free of any coercive behavior on my part.
      I simply relay what i know and where applicable supply helpful links.

      Its not my fault if such evidence does not paint the picture we would all like to see currently. Unlike some though i dont read into it like its all over and settled as its not, science is never settled and i will explain precisely why.
      When science goes into any experiment it has unknown variables and upon completion of said experiment ends up with new unknown variables. Science isn’t clean, is often problematic but none the less appears to glean some advancement however small, often each time.
      People cant expect miracles overnight so we must all be patient and wait for the data to start producing the results we really want that gives us a direction.

      It hasn’t been a year yet since releasing so its somewhat rash at this juncture to advocate either way in a conclusive manner. Time is the key and though we may stumble, time is still the key.

      So while we all wait patiently, lets use our heads and do the logical and categorically proven thing that has throughout the centuries aided us in such time of specific need and practice physical precautions which no matter the Yeas and nays of vaccinations will serve them both equally well.

      Doug

      October 23, 2021 at 9:24 am

      • Sorry Doug, I was under the impression that you were holding out on getting jabbed because you don’t trust vaccine, didn’t realise you were fully inoculated. I take it you will have had the booster by now too, and the flu jab, as have I.

        trev

        October 23, 2021 at 10:50 am

      • Trev

        For me it was a got to try. I knew it wouldn’t be a raging success straight out of the gates but had hoped it would have been a bit better than it transpired to be.
        It will as time moves forward get modified but this can only be done as its used.

        I haven’t had a text yet that im up for the booster but that’s not surprising considering my last jab was in mid June.

        Doug

        October 24, 2021 at 5:30 am

      • They said it got to be 6 months between your last jab and the booster.

        trev

        October 24, 2021 at 10:07 am

  16. Andrew Coates

    October 20, 2021 at 8:14 am

    • So there’s lots of fraud at the DWP they just found out about. Next it will be can you prove you have a smart phone !!

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      October 20, 2021 at 9:33 am

  17. The used to have bullet proof glass at the main area dole office in Euston Road London. Perhaps all the MP’s surgery’s should have them because G$s are powerless.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    October 20, 2021 at 9:37 am

    • DWP Workers are more important than MP’s. So why shouldn’t MPs have bullet proof glass.

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      October 20, 2021 at 9:38 am

      • KFC installs glass shield to protect staff from customers

        “You can never be too careful these days but I’ve never seen it anywhere else. It’s like ordering your food at a bank or a petrol station after hours.”

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        October 20, 2021 at 9:41 am

      • I remember a corner shop /off licence in Toxteth that had floor to ceiling bullet proof glass (or possibly thick perspex) and you got served through a small hatch. That was about 1999.

        trev

        October 20, 2021 at 10:24 am

      • |MP’s left behind – There’;s more protection at KFC – Kill Fat Chickens.

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        October 20, 2021 at 9:42 am

  18. Bill came for tea with Boris the clown and the coronavirus act was extended for another 6 Months.

    Cloverleaf

    October 20, 2021 at 11:50 am

    • There’s over 100 people dying of Covid every week in UK, so it needs to be extended, but should be implemented properly, either more lockdowns or at least compulsory facemasks and faster roll out of booster jabs. There should have been an Emergency coalition government from the beginning.

      trev

      October 20, 2021 at 12:32 pm

      • Meant to say 100 people per day

        trev

        October 20, 2021 at 1:30 pm

    • Get your booster jab folks, or jabs if you haven’t already….

      trev

      October 20, 2021 at 1:28 pm

  19. If people stopped getting the fraudulent PCR test there wouldn’t be any cases, even the world health organisation has stated it is unreliable with too many false positives.

    Cloverleaf

    October 20, 2021 at 1:56 pm

    • Then how come there’s approx. 1000 Covid deaths per week in UK ?

      trev

      October 20, 2021 at 2:16 pm

      • @trev- Don’t bother trying to argue with him Trev, you know and I know what is the sensible attitude to Covid-19 vaccinations. So do millions of other people.

        Jeff Smith

        October 20, 2021 at 2:32 pm

      • I guess some people can’t be helped. Covid denial is so 2020, people need to wake up and get up to speed. I suppose it’s Natural Selection, like people who play on railway lines.

        trev

        October 20, 2021 at 2:44 pm

    • Cloverleaf

      Aint you all doom and gloom.
      A test that does not work is NOT fraudulent unless it can be proven that those that developed knew this to be the case prior to release.
      Your over dramatizing the situation i feel but hey, if you have proof of such fraud then please share it with us all than simply saying its so.
      I genuinely want to know what you have as im sure others do.

      Lastly please stop with the jab kills like its somehow significant. No drug does not come without possible side effects and risks to life. It happens all the time but the numbers are tiny and no different to other risks we face or could do everyday.
      If your going to go down this road then i take it you want cars and stepladders banned and have been campaigning for years on such that you would be happy to supply us a link to.

      Doug

      October 23, 2021 at 9:47 am

  20. It’s the injections causing harm and being put down as CV.

    Cloverleaf

    October 20, 2021 at 2:31 pm

    • That’s absolute nonsense Cloverleaf. Have you been listening to David Icke again?

      trev

      October 20, 2021 at 2:47 pm

  21. DWP sinister sanctions have killed more than the “crown” virus ever could.

    Cloverleaf

    October 20, 2021 at 2:33 pm

    • Marty grow up yourself ons is a government site I wouldn’t believe anything they say.

      Cloverleaf

      October 20, 2021 at 5:28 pm

  22. Imagine being an innocent legacy claimant who banks with Lloyds.
    Then they close the only branch in town !! Change of circumstances and straight onto Universal Credit.

    George M

    October 20, 2021 at 2:37 pm

  23. Dear God!’ Ferrari slams DWP for asking UC claimants pose with newspapers to stop fraud
    NICK FERRARI was left speechless as it was revealed the Department for Work and Pensions are asking Universal Credit claimants to pose with local newspapers to stamp out fraud.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1508771/universal-credit-nick-ferrari-dwp-claimants-fraud-local-newspaper-lbc-vn

    superted

    October 20, 2021 at 2:39 pm

    • Who the hell is Nick Ferrari? Don’t worry, I’ll Google him…

      trev

      October 20, 2021 at 2:51 pm

      • @trev- He’s a radio show presenter, like Larry Lamborghini and Malcolm Maserati.

        George M

        October 20, 2021 at 5:35 pm

      • So I see, not exactly a latter-day John Peel, more of a A.J.

        trev

        October 20, 2021 at 5:44 pm

    • He’s most times an uptighty-righty kind of a prat but does sometimes say something sensible once in a while.

      Marty

      October 21, 2021 at 10:25 am

  24. PCS union rep in DWP
    During the pandemic, the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) was forced to launch emergency recruitment of more than 13,000 additional staff. This ensured that roughly 23 million people were paid their benefits during the unprecedented spike in claims in 2020.

    The DWP was caught unprepared for the crisis due to its long-term programme of slashing 30,000 jobs and closing offices. The emergency recruitment saw the government rely on employment agencies to secure sufficient staffing – filling private coffers instead of spending this money on public needs.

    Even such significant recruitment, however, has fallen short of what is needed, especially in Jobcentres assisting the unemployed. Thousands of staff working there are on temporary contracts and tens of thousands are forced to see up to 20 claimants per day, drastically reducing the amount of help they can give to those who actually need it.

    Our union, PCS, has historically campaigned for 20,000 permanent jobs. However, in the last three years this campaign, under ‘Left Unity’ leadership, has largely been in name only.

    Negotiators put pressure on management – which we agree with. But they fail to mobilise union members. PCS Broad Left Network members believe this is vital to give real force to the campaign, including preparation for industrial action against a management which would rather throw temporary staff – many of whom have had thousands of pounds spent on pre-employment checks and training – back into unemployment.

    All staff in all areas of DWP have a common need: extra staff to relieve continuing pressure, and permanent jobs for the temporary staff who are so vital to our work right now.

    This fight for sufficient staff to ensure support for those claiming benefits must be linked to the fight for benefits to be more than a poverty trap. The savage £20-a-week cut to Universal Credit will plunge millions of workers and the unemployed into further hardship.

    We want the £20 reinstated. But we want much more. We want fair pay with a minimum of £15 per hour. We want decent permanent jobs. We want a fair deal for all workers – those in work and those not. We want safe working. We want a union leadership that will campaign and fight on these issues.

    https://www.socialistparty.org.uk/articles/33206/20-10-2021/unite-and-fight-for-30000-permanent-dwp-jobs

    superted

    October 20, 2021 at 2:42 pm

    • @superted – Trotskyite Revisionists.

      Jeff Smith

      October 20, 2021 at 5:24 pm

      • @Jeff Smith: And Militant Neo-Stalinists as well .

        George M

        October 20, 2021 at 6:58 pm

  25. Gove grilled on his criminal complicity.

    Cloverleaf

    October 20, 2021 at 3:10 pm

    • I’m not a fan of Gove but those people are just a bunch of idiots.

      trev

      October 22, 2021 at 1:37 pm

  26. Stagecoach cancels services amid Gloucestershire bus chaos – latest on Wednesday, October 20

    https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/regional-news/stagecoach-cancels-services-amid-gloucestershire-6086154

    if it keeps going like this i wont be able to even go sign on lol and there on strike as well

    superted

    October 20, 2021 at 3:42 pm

  27. Disabled Milton Keynes man fights benefits case in High Court on behalf of 2 million claimants in the UK
    ‘I am doing this for all the disabled people and vulnerable people on legacy benefits’ he says.

    https://www.miltonkeynes.co.uk/news/people/disabled-milton-keynes-man-fights-benefits-case-in-high-court-on-behalf-of-2-million-claimants-in-the-uk-3426496

    superted

    October 20, 2021 at 7:03 pm

    • Good to hear that the Court case is still going ahead.
      I also couldn’t help noticing this little snippet of information:

      “Universal Credit is slowly replacing ‘legacy benefits’ but the process will not be complete until 2024 at the earliest”

      At this rate there’s every chance of reaching retirement before being transferred to UC.

      trev

      October 20, 2021 at 7:21 pm

      • In spite of the much lauded one million job vacancies indeed in their infinite wisdom are sending me jobs that are further and further away, 20 – 30 miles away, ranging from Wetherby to Manchester, Featherstone to Doncaster, and everywhere in between totally unfeasible as I have no transport and the local rail lines are soon closing for a month for essential works. Besides which I had set up email alerts for jobs 5 – 10 miles away.

        trev

        October 20, 2021 at 10:27 pm

  28. Reblogged this on Tory Britain! .

    A6er

    October 21, 2021 at 9:51 am

  29. We need a return to telephone signing-on in the Jobcentres. And I am quite prepared to do my bit to help by returning to these for as long as necessary.

    Jeff Smith

    October 21, 2021 at 3:02 pm

  30. Dad gets £5,000 Universal Credit bill from DWP demanding he repay all Covid cash

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/dwp-sends-dad-5147-universal-25267534

    superted

    October 21, 2021 at 3:42 pm

  31. DWP ‘taking the p***’ teasing benefits recipients with ‘an extra £290’

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/19664202.dwp-taking-p–teasing-benefits-recipients-an-extra-290/

    superted

    October 21, 2021 at 3:44 pm

  32. Andrew Coates

    October 21, 2021 at 4:29 pm

  33. The analysis by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation (JRF) looks at households in the bottom 40% of incomes in the UK – those with a household income of £24,752 or less. This represents around 11.6 million households.

    It estimates that 3.8 million such households are in arrears with household bills, totaling £5.2bn. 950,000 are in rent arrears; 1.4 million are behind on council tax bills; and 1.4 million are behind on electricity and gas bills. 33% of low-income households are now in arrears, which is triple the 11% estimated by a similar study prior to the pandemic.


    Many families on low incomes are still reeling from the huge £20 per week cut to Universal Credit and Working Tax Credit earlier in the month.

    JRF says it is worrying that the survey was conducted in September when many of the households surveyed received the uplift which has now been removed.

    Energy bills and other costs are continuing to rise, with the price of energy projected to soar further in the coming months. An increase in National Insurance contributions next April is another extra cost many working people will face.

    Of the households surveyed who receive Universal Credit, 40% are not confident they will be able to pay their bills in full and on time, while 35% don’t think they will be able to avoid taking on more debt.

    Andrew Coates

    October 21, 2021 at 4:38 pm

  34. Problem is the Tories don’t care how many texts they get. They knew what they were doing when they cut the £20.

    George M

    October 21, 2021 at 4:43 pm

  35. Claimants return to court for third battle with DWP in fight for universal credit justice

    The high court has this week heard the latest stage in a long-running battle to secure justice for thousands of disabled benefit claimants who lost out financially after being forced onto universal credit.

    The hearing, due to end today (Thursday), concerns policies that left many claimants worse off when their circumstances changed and they had to move from legacy benefits like employment and support allowance onto universal credit (UC).

    https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/claimants-return-to-court-for-third-battle-with-dwp-in-fight-for-universal-credit-justice/

    superted

    October 21, 2021 at 5:16 pm

    • So when is the result announced, tomorrow?

      trev

      October 21, 2021 at 5:38 pm

    • Oh hang about, I’m getting my wires crossed, thought it was the legacy uplift court case.

      trev

      October 21, 2021 at 5:44 pm

    • What about JSA legacy claimants, will they be include in the ruling?

      jj joop

      October 23, 2021 at 4:58 pm

  36. Boris Johnson is back on holiday. That’s good it is almost half term so I might as well stay on holiday.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    October 22, 2021 at 11:52 am

    • So you found Michael Gove’s Combat Summer Shorts then !!!

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      October 22, 2021 at 1:25 pm

      • That’s the level we are at with the Tories. So Michael Gove’s Combat Summer Shorts are a Human Rights Issue !!!

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        October 22, 2021 at 1:26 pm

  37. Can we give Boris a knighthood now !!! Arise Sir Boris – It gives Brexit more clot.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    October 22, 2021 at 3:12 pm

  38. Mum challenges DWP after disabled son loses benefits for being in hospital too long

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-challenges-dwp-after-disabled-25271663

    superted

    October 22, 2021 at 3:43 pm

  39. I don’t know how much longer I’ll be able to keep dodging the daily grind.

    Mike Oxlong

    October 22, 2021 at 4:03 pm

    • Don’t worry Mike, things are never as bad as they seem, I’m sure you’ll find a way.

      trev

      October 22, 2021 at 8:06 pm

  40. It is completely irresponsible for the DWP to be asking for in-person signing at this time.

    George M

    October 22, 2021 at 5:03 pm

    • It’s even worse than that George, because they don’t even require a signature anymore, they just have people attending the Jobcentre for nothing, just for the sake of it !

      trev

      October 22, 2021 at 8:11 pm

  41. Are the DWP Work Coaches having a get together Christmas Party without mentioning the PCS Union !!!

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    October 22, 2021 at 5:06 pm

  42. Conservative peers will launch a last-ditch attempt to force the government to reverse the £20 a week universal credit cut on the eve of Rishi Sunak’s budget next week.

    Philippa Stroud will table an amendment to the social security uprating bill in the House of Lords, with the support of Tory colleagues including the former work and pensions secretary David Willetts.

    Constitutional precedent means it is usually considered unacceptable for the Lords to try to interfere in the financial aspects of legislation passed by the House of Commons.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/oct/22/tory-peers-last-ditch-effort-reverse-universal-credit-cut

    Andrew Coates

    October 22, 2021 at 5:31 pm

    • And retrospectively award it to legacy Benefit claimants too?

      trev

      October 23, 2021 at 1:15 pm

      • You’ll be lucky.

        Cloverleaf

        October 23, 2021 at 1:45 pm

      • I live in hope…

        trev

        October 23, 2021 at 1:54 pm

  43. Big pharma puppet Johnson admits covid vaccine don’t work but get the booster anyway.

    https://tapnewswire.com/2021/10/big-pharma-puppet-boris-johnson-admits-covid-vaccine-dont-work-but-get-the-booster-anyway/

    Cloverleaf

    October 23, 2021 at 11:18 am

    • “Tap News Wire” isn’t a legitimate news outlet, it is a conspiracy website.

      trev

      October 23, 2021 at 1:14 pm

      • And we don’t have a legitimate government we are in a nasty dictatorship.

        Cloverleaf

        October 23, 2021 at 1:44 pm

  44. Cloverleaf

    October 23, 2021 at 11:39 am

    • Is that Boris on the pig ?

      George M

      October 23, 2021 at 3:25 pm

  45. It certainly is George and look at madam Coffey with a cigar in it’s gob ha ha ha 😀.

    Cloverleaf

    October 23, 2021 at 4:35 pm

  46. Well, I think we’ve had the meat out of this Andrew. How about something on the legacy benefits case ?

    The Editor

    October 23, 2021 at 5:52 pm

    • I looked, odd as it may seem, this morning, people here mention it fairly often.

      Nothing.

      But now, searching Twitter, I found something.

      Thanks for remining me.

      Andrew Coates

      October 23, 2021 at 5:58 pm


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