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‘Partial’ Climbdown on Universal Credit Cut?

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Ministers mull partial climbdown on universal credit cut after warnings of soaring poverty


A partial climbdown on the looming cut to universal credit is being considered by ministers, to head off fierce criticism that huge numbers of people will be plunged into poverty.

The £20-a-week reduction would stay – but working people who receive the benefit would be allowed to keep more of their earnings, under the proposal.

The so-called “taper rate” – the amount a claimant loses for every extra pound they earn – would be reduced from 63p to 60p, if the Treasury agrees the move.


The Currant Bun says,

Millions of Brits face a cost of living crisis this winter — with food and gas prices rising as benefits are slashed and furlough ends.

Ministers at the Department for Work and Pensions, fearing a backlash, have reportedly handed Chancellor Rishi Sunak a package of options.

This could reduce the impact of the impending cut with extra spending in other areas.

The options include giving extra cash to councils for emergency assistance funds.

Also being discussed is reducing the taper rate for Universal Credit from 63 to 60p.

That would mean workers keep more of what they earn.

It looks like few, if any, of our contributors will he helped.

This is a surprise….

Written by Andrew Coates

September 24, 2021 at 9:03 am

147 Responses

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  1. You are so true: this will not help any of you, or working people like me too scared to claim the benefit! We have had no pay rise, and when NI goes up I will have even less to live on!
    True case; we are short on cleaners and have been using agency. The guy we have has been with agency 15 years and has been to us before. He is on old style housing benefits and tax credits. He was actually offered a contract with us, but declined due to fearing UC and rightly so! In solidarity with you all, Kat


    September 24, 2021 at 10:41 am

    • It shows exactly what is wrong with Universal Credit, when low-paid working people, like Kat and her colleague, who are entitled to the extra money , are too fearful to claim it. Because they think it will make things even more difficult for themselves.

      Jeff Smith

      September 24, 2021 at 3:48 pm

    • Me to Kat as even though ive got no work currently, i cant be doing with a benefit that creates more hurdles than benefits when you are working and treats you like you’ve never worked a day in your life when you dont.

      This 3p drop from 63p does precisely nothing for those already doing the hours to cancel it out. Unless you have kids/dependents or are disabled, your still screwed.
      I dont know who the government think they are kidding but unless you have an in work allowance that isn’t 0p, all your doing is effectively making the individual work for benefits as the taper is a cancel out system with just enough dependent on hours being extremely low to pay for travel to and from work.
      If like me 2 years ago you dont claim any housing benefit (so just JSA), your wholly screwed out of having any benefit at all while still having UC demand you submit to conditionality.

      You would think if government were going to pull this stunt that they would have changed the in work allowance by increasing all bands by £20. Either way removing the uplift still effects those with no work and that sounds like discrimination to me


      September 25, 2021 at 7:42 am

      • Doug I claim nothing! My old landlord sold up in 2018, when I was on tax credits and old style housing benefits. The move would trigger a change of circumstances move to UC! No thanks


        September 25, 2021 at 2:59 pm

  2. The idea of scrapping the twenty pound and replacing it with workers keeping a bit more on universal credit sounds like something the Tories would vote for as they hated the thought of the long term unemployed who were already on universal credit receiving the extra twenty pound.
    I watched the news yesterday on the bbc, itv and channel 4 in the hope of seeing a report on the postponed high court case involving legacy benefits but nothing mentioned. A case planned months ago for next week and no judge available. This should be front page news in papers and a headline news topic on television.
    Surely they had a judge in mind for the case They postponed the case a full week before it was due to be heard. Is the high court closed because of a lack of judges?


    September 24, 2021 at 11:40 am

    • The Court case debacle is the sort of thing that might, just might, get a mention on C4 News if you’re lucky, or maybe in Private Eye, but I doubt the mainstream news would pick up on it as no one gives a fuck about the long-term unemployed.


      September 24, 2021 at 1:36 pm

    • @Rob – There is something very fishy about this no judge business if you ask me. Are we really supposed to believe that there are no High Court judges available for the case ? None at all, not even one ? Or is this simply another government delaying tactic ? Because they don’t want to face the bad publicity of the £20 Universal Credit cut, and the legacy benefits non-payment case at the same time. The Tories have considerable previous form for burying so-called ‘bad news ‘.

      Jeff Smith

      September 24, 2021 at 3:39 pm

      • @jeff smith.
        They were aware of the case due to take place at the end of September. Surely they had arranged for a specific judge for the case. I can’t believe that they would just wait until a week before the case is to be heard to select a judge. The other point is why wasn’t it given another date a week or so later rather than say it might not take place this year. That’s another three months they appear not to have a judge available.
        I did see a comment somewhere that stated that as the case affected so many people they wanted an experienced judge to take the case. If that is true, why did it take a week before the date to decide that?


        September 24, 2021 at 5:14 pm

  3. Provider Apps

    DWP Response
    We confirm that we do hold some of the information you have requested.
    The department has no recorded information which refers to a legal or mandatory
    requirement for Restart participants to complete or sign paper or electronic documents drawn
    up by a provider, or to use any Apps such as the career.me App that you mention.
    We do however, ask providers to note any reasons offered for the refusal to sign an action
    plan, but the participant is not obliged to supply a reason. A Restart participant is expected to
    comply with any mandated activities set out in the action plan, but as mentioned above no
    legislation compels them to sign or provide reasons. It is unlikely that a provider will mandate
    the use of an App, however, a failure to adhere to other mandated actions set out in the plan
    may lead to a compliance doubt referral being raised with Jobcentre Plus.



    September 24, 2021 at 1:04 pm

  4. As a recipient of JSA who never even received the extra £20 p/w in the fist place, tinkering with UC earnings margins has no relevance to my life.


    September 24, 2021 at 1:39 pm

    • Except, Trev, you and others on old style benefit should automatically have had it


      September 24, 2021 at 3:43 pm

  5. The minimum wage currently is £8.91 per hour. The current universal credit taper rate is 63% and the new one mooted secretly supposedly 60%. So if you are on UC, working for the minimum wage, and affected by the taper you get to keep £3.30 per hour of your earnings on the current rate and £3.56 per hour on the new hypothetical rate, i.e., a paltry 26p per hour more! Wow! That’ll be a really big help with all those bills now won’t it? And if you’re not working lowering the taper a tad won’t help at all.

    I call that adding insult to injury.


    September 24, 2021 at 2:09 pm

    • And the rest Steve as that’s only true if you dont pay tax, NI, and pension, none of which is deducted before the taper rate kicks in. Your even more discriminated against if your in work allowance is 0p (the point at which DWP start the taper.

      Example – single person with an in work allowance of 0p

      20 hours work in a week. Get £74 JSA and £80 housing benefit a week = £154 in benefits and £178.20 in wages on nat min. Obviously this person does not qualify to pay tax,NI or pension.

      £112.26 at 63% and £106.92 at 60%. £5.34 difference. This means the person at 60% keeps £47.08 of benefits.

      Now had this same person had the £20 uplift then benefit would have been £174
      When we deduct £112.26 (63%), the claimant keeps £61.74 of benefits.

      Remember DWP dont deduct a claimants wages, they only deduct that claimants benefit by an amount in relation to what said claimant earned before deductions.
      People need to get it in their heads that they are not gaining by keeping either 37p or 40p as like i said DWP dont touch wages. The mindset has to be that the person loses regardless of percentage benefit amount for every pound earned.

      Each and every persons benefit amounts, in work allowance, hourly rate, hours and various deductions are different so do the math and see WHAT IS THE TOTAL TAKE HOME AFTER ALL DEDUCTIONS.

      The difference between benefits in the example i gave above is £14.66 and thus in this example the person was better off with the £20 uplift and a taper rate of 63%..


      September 25, 2021 at 9:02 am

      • Don’t forget the Principle of Working Misery ( J.Smith, 2021 ). Where a low-paid, stressful job causes misery to the employee in direct proportion to the hours worked, and the margin of difference between a living wage, and the actual amount received.

        Jeff Smith

        September 25, 2021 at 3:12 pm

  6. More U-Turns on the roundabout. Just call it another name.

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    September 24, 2021 at 4:13 pm

  7. Pledges & Ledges – Make sure we got the champagne in.

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    September 24, 2021 at 4:15 pm

    • Champagne? Nice pint, that.


      September 24, 2021 at 6:21 pm

  8. Scrap Universal Credit.

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    September 24, 2021 at 4:16 pm

    • Scrap the Tories. Scrap Starmer.


      September 24, 2021 at 6:22 pm

  9. I would like to volunteer to judge the High Court case of the legacy claimants. There is a fancy dress shop just down the road from me, and they have a judges outfit in the window. The long wig, knee-breeches and everything.

    George M

    September 24, 2021 at 8:53 pm

    • I hope M’Lud you take this into account,

      “Two more people – one on Jobseeker’s Allowance (JSA) and another on Income Support – also joined the legal challenge.


      “The final hearing will now be held in November 2021. Further updates will be posted on this page.”


      Andrew Coates

      September 24, 2021 at 9:14 pm

      • That title is pure clickbait. I wish we were going to receive a grand compensation from the DWP in the form of backdated legacy benefit uplift pay, but there is no chance they will win the court case. Even if they do – and by god I hope so – the DWP will just drag their feet and do nothing. Who will force their hands? There is no way they will relent and cough up

        G. Whistler

        September 26, 2021 at 12:21 pm

  10. I just hope the legacy claimants win the case, and we get the full Rumpole of The Bailey. With the jury blubbering into their handkerchiefs, and cries of horrified dismay at the Tories and the brutal DWP.
    And not just the money that needs to be paid. What about compensation for the 18
    months of suffering and inconvenience, having to go without the extra money ? A just result would give 3 things to every legacy claimant:

    1. The backpay of the full amount to every legacy claimant

    2. Compensation for stress and hardship

    3. A signed colour picture of the Work & Pensions Secretary riding on an elephant

    Jeff Smith

    September 25, 2021 at 1:47 pm

    • The last one reminds me of Dali’s ‘Temptation of St. Anthony’, don’t ask me why, must be the Surrealistic imagery. Either that or Hannibal crossing the Alps.


      September 25, 2021 at 2:35 pm

    • The work and pensions secretary will be riding her own kind, after all she is an elephant 🐘.


      September 25, 2021 at 2:44 pm

      • That’s sizeist. I only say that because it’s something I’ve noticed lately aimed at myself, I can’t believe how rude people are! The gardener who cuts my lawn, the other volunteers at the foodbank, even the bloke who owns the local newsagents, all point or nod towards my belly and make remarks about its size. I think it’s perfectly reasonable for a man of my age to have a bit of middle-aged spread and is nothing unusual. People are unbelievably rude!


        September 25, 2021 at 3:03 pm

  11. @trev- This is supposed to be because social media has ‘deconstructed’ previous behaviour patterns. Now people can randomly insult others on twitter etc., and they get used to this behaviour. So you get a more blunt, WTF attitude to comments that previous generations would have considerd tactless, or rude.

    Jeff Smith

    September 25, 2021 at 3:17 pm

    • So what Trev I’m only 5 foot 2 inches tall and get called a short arsed benefit scrounger by one of my neighbours wtf.


      September 25, 2021 at 3:29 pm

      • Haha 😆 but it’s not like I’m Cyril Smith sized, or those 600lb Americans on tv, I’ve just got bit of a paunch , which I think is perfectly acceptable and to be expected of a man my age. It just never fails to amaze me when people pass comment. I think Jeff must be right, it’s a side effect of antisocial media.


        September 25, 2021 at 4:29 pm

      • superted

        September 25, 2021 at 10:20 pm

      • grow some balls and get a machine gun 🙂


        September 25, 2021 at 10:23 pm

  12. Fiends with “I’ll be there for you” featuring Matt Hancock.


    September 25, 2021 at 3:23 pm

    • Spot on, Tory ‘chumocracy’ in action, they look after their own and stick the boot in to the poor. It’s the old boy network.


      September 25, 2021 at 4:34 pm

  13. Huddersfield man left without benefits for over two weeks feels ‘suicidal’ after prison release

    Universal Credit claimants have spoken about the end of the £20 Covid ‘uplift’ payment



    September 25, 2021 at 4:40 pm

    • he can make a claim for uc over the phone and then no need for a digital claim but dwp staff lie to everyone and if you dont know something they are not going to tell you even if that means you go jump of the top of a car park as that means job done there end.

      if the dwp carry on like this it is only a matter of time b4 ppl start to crack and loose there shit and a wc gets stabbed to death g4s wont do jack shit if you pull a knife out and all they can do is phone the police!

      wonder if they search ppl in like the London jcp offices with hand held metal scanners ?


      September 25, 2021 at 5:03 pm

  14. I got my last ‘uplift’ payment today, come next month I’ll be back to starvation rations again so I might have to get some five finger discounts from my local aldi store. With food and energy prices going up our lives will be a hell on earth. Thank you very much tory scum. Feel sorry for people with kids they will suffer the most.


    September 25, 2021 at 5:06 pm

    • Are there any community-run foodbanks near you? The type where you don’t need a referral, usually situated in churches, village halls, community centres, etc. as opposed to the larger foodbanks where you need a referral, intended for people who are not receiving Benefits due to UC delays, Sanctions, illness, relationship breakdown, domestic violence, asylum seekers, etc. (amongst many other things).


      September 26, 2021 at 9:04 am

      • No Trev there’s nothing like that near me, nearest food bank is 10 miles from me and you have to get a referral.


        September 26, 2021 at 12:48 pm

      • Round here in my town and surrounding areas there are quite a few very localized foodbanks run by various church groups and community centres and the like, as well as the main one where I volunteer, and they work together to some extent, there’s communications and interaction between them and us at the big one, we send excess fresh fruit and veg to some, and one-off oddball things such as a wagon load of large boxes of crisps we received that only had about two weeks date left on them, and the churches make donations to us , especially now it’s Harvest Festival time and we get tons of donations coming in from now up until Christmas, the next three months are our busiest time of year. If there isn’t one in your neighbourhood /village perhaps you could get involved in starting one in a community centre or church hall, or school, etc. Make enquiries, print some flyers, hold a meeting, form a committee, get organized. It is organization at grassroots level that can beat or counter the Tories.


        September 26, 2021 at 2:16 pm

  15. Stay healthy keep Staying Alive.


    September 25, 2021 at 7:49 pm

  16. Andrew Coates

    September 26, 2021 at 6:25 am

    • I was thinking precisely the same thing myself, it’s always “working people” and “hard working families”, are Labour MPs so desperate to distance themselves from the unemployed Benefits claimants, the homeless, the sick, the poor, the most vulnerable? And what of unemployed people who do voluntary work, are they to be represented?


      September 26, 2021 at 8:49 am

      • The answer is political expediency. To get elected in the UK political parties need to stump up as many votes as possible from EVERY available demographic and as there are more “working people” than benefit claimants in the general population, who vote self-interestedly for parties who seem most favourable to their interests in local and general elections, this group is targeted publicly more than any other. No party can win power these days by appealing mostly to card carrying supporters, which is why Labour under Jeremy Corbyn never had a snow ball’s chance in hell of ever forming a government (the Labour party suffering its second greatest defeat ever in its history) and a lying and inept rotter like Boris Johnson is now living in Downing Street with a little help from Brexit of course (although all the polls showed that statistically the Tories would have still garnered a significant majority against a Corbynite flavoured Labour party even without Brexit as a major issue).


        September 26, 2021 at 9:25 am

      • I think there was very strong support for Jeremy Corbyn, the most popular leader in many years, and he came close to winning in 2017 if it hadn’t been for the Establishment and Rightwing well orchestrated smear campaign.

        They target workers because they are a bigger demographic group than the unemployed, and they know that ironically many of the poorest people are the ones who don’t bother to vote, probably because they think there’s no one worth voting for and “they’re all the same” so it makes no difference, nothing ever changes.


        September 26, 2021 at 9:51 am

      • ‘The left is at a unique moment post-Corbyn – but time is running out for real change’

        Film director KEN LOACH speaks to Morning Star editor Ben Chacko about the state of the movement ahead of Labour’s 2021 conference



        September 26, 2021 at 9:57 am

  17. Off topic but please guys still keep being careful out there, even though I know it’s hard for some! Despite following all the safety rules at work, and being one of the few ppl still to wear a mask in shops and on buses, I’m pole axed and flat out with the most horrible cough and cold! It’s not covid as I’m testing every day, but even I know I’m not capable of work atm! I read that because we all spent so long locked down, with masks and sanitiser, our immune systems have all taken a hit! I can believe that because last time I was this sick was Christmas 2017! Stay safe all and thinking of u all


    September 26, 2021 at 7:51 am

    • Wishing you a speedy recovery Kat, you’re probably working too hard as well. My cure for nasty flu type bugs involves Chinese Gunpowder tea, with Whisky, lemons, ginger, and paracetamol. Boil it up in a large saucepan. A pint mug of that and sweat it out in bed.


      September 26, 2021 at 8:57 am

      • Um…. thank you Trev! Sounds like it would blow your head off!😼 but I remember my grandfather saying similar!


        September 27, 2021 at 9:03 am

  18. Many people want to forget the fact that Corbyn won seats against Theresa May and she lost her majority. It was a good result as quite a few labour MPs openly made negative comments about. If the MPs had supported him who knows what would have happened. Corbyn said he would honour the referendum result in the first election but with so many MPs like Starmer insisting on a second referendum he was certain to lose many seats.
    Started only makes comments about working families and refuses to comment about the unemployed. Not one question during the entire pandemic regarding the unfairness of legacy benefit claimants not receiving the extra twenty pound week. It appears he wants to appeal to working families only. Does that mean if you vote for Starmer and then unfortunately lose your job he will then refuse to stand up for you?


    September 26, 2021 at 11:09 am

    • In the 2017 general election it is true that Labour under Corbyn, at his most popular, won 30 more seats but Labour still ended 68 seats behind the Conservatives when Theresa May was unpopular. At that time Labour membership rolls had swelled by people inspired to join or affiliate with the party, because Corbyn gave them hopes that the party would adopt and implement a different policy agenda, and for people to vote in elections for Labour again for the same reasons. Trouble was that support for Corbynite Labour was too spread out and diffuse to be able to move the party on electorally in a first past the post voting system and a couple of years later, Labour already losing disenchanted members in large numbers, Labour lost 60 seats after the 2019 general election ending 163 seats BEHIND the Johnson led Conservatives, which definitely isn’t indicative of progress towards political success and government in any way, shape or form, but rather if anything the opposite. The numbers and data tell the story and numbers if not data rarely lie.

      To win power in a general election a party and its leader need mass support from the general electorate.

      Labour under Corbyn, sadly, never managed to pull that off and according to the numbers never could.


      September 26, 2021 at 2:17 pm

      • @Aleister.
        After the 2017 election in which Corbyn promised to honour the referendum result many labour MPs openly insisted on a second referendum and continually attacked him with negative comments to the media. They should have rallied behind a leader who was voted in by the majority of labour supporters but they didn’t. Those long held labour seats that went to the Tories were lost because of people like Starmer insisting on a second referendum. Whether people wanted brexit or not those specific seats lost were because Corbyn was forced to accept a second referendum if labour won.
        One thing I’m sure we would all agree on is that if Corbyn was still labour leader he would have been shouting from the rooftops on behalf of legacy claimants receiving the extra twenty pound a week.


        September 26, 2021 at 2:34 pm

      • @ Rob

        Nope. British society has changed over the years. The middle class and aspirational working class have expanded so much now that there is simply no longer a big enough constituency in the adult population willing to vote for a leader like Corbyn, or a party like Corbynite, Labour to win power. We may not like it but that’s the status quo and if Labour cannot win over enough of the middle class AND aspirational working class to garner enough votes to win power the 21st century will be one hundred years of Conservative rule while the Liberal Democrats act as a sink which soaks up moderate votes in ballots gifted from people who can’t bring themselves to vote either Labour or Tory.

        History shows that the British overwhelmingly favour political evolution over revolution and if Labour is ever to win power in modern Britain it needs to cultivate the broadest appeal nationally agenda-wise to have any chance at all and not frighten uncertain supporters away by appearing too fantastical or overtly radical.

        We may not like it but that IS the way it is.


        September 27, 2021 at 7:19 am

      • @ Aleister

        Corbyn’s policies were neither fantastical nor radical, just the plain old Socialist Labour policies that the country needs.


        September 27, 2021 at 8:04 am

      • @ Trev

        Thing is Trev the proportion of the population that want a committed socialist government is far too small to get any party espousing that agenda to form a government. Socialism is a busted flush in the UK, at least for the foreseeable future. The real question now is whether Labour can evolve enough to be able to appeal to a broad enough section of the electorate to win power and form a government; if it can’t the Tories will rule forever and other parties relegated to criticising and sniping at them helplessly from the sidelines. As I see it the situation now boils down to a choice between political power and purity of doctrine and I would rather live under a progressive Labour government, of any flavour or complexion, than a Conservative one under any circumstances, even if it that meant delaying building Jerusalem indefinitely.

        It’s the way I feel.

        Getting rid of the Tories is more important to me than Labour’s adherence to the letter of socialism.


        September 27, 2021 at 9:41 am

      • There’s still an appeal for Nationalization:


        And let’s face it, the alternative to Socialism isn’t going too well; food and fuel shortages, food poverty, astronomical energy prices, massive adult and child poverty, a dysfunctional Social Security system…


        September 27, 2021 at 10:15 am

      • Socialism is the only viable alternative to Conservatism, the ‘antidote’ to Tory ideology. You can’t beat the Tories by emulating them, you have to oppose them. I’ll never vote for any form of Blue/New Labour.


        September 27, 2021 at 2:13 pm

  19. That should be Starmer only makes comments.

    I have got to turn off predictive text it keeps changing the words especially when typing names.


    September 26, 2021 at 11:12 am

    • I’m same Rob, predictive text is a pain in the arse


      September 26, 2021 at 11:17 am

  20. Government leaders are frightened of their own people, there’s a lot of us.


    September 26, 2021 at 11:39 am

    • I think Neil Oliver has lost the plot.


      September 26, 2021 at 2:34 pm

      • It’s ever since he got the results of that DNA test and found out he’s not really Scottish that he’s been having a bit of an identity crisis. A pro-Brexit Covid denier who wants to paint himself blue and cry “Freedom!” but he’s not a supporter of Scottish Nationalism or Independence.


        September 26, 2021 at 3:38 pm

    • We are the Invisible Claimants as far as the media is concerned. An inconvenient reminder of the failure to complete the mass transfer to Universal Credit.

      Jeff Smith

      September 26, 2021 at 3:28 pm

      • An embarrassment for having managed to survive the last decade of a deadly Tory regime. Thousands died and we lived to tell the tale.


        September 26, 2021 at 3:32 pm

  21. I’m honestly sick of having to defend this cut while legacy claimants get NOTHING. The media are now pretending to be friends of those on UC, but their words are just hollow as they, along with far too much of the left, ignore everyone else. It’s disgusting. If the minister relent, they won’t give £20 to everyone else and so we’ll all be forgotten again.

    G. Whistler

    September 26, 2021 at 12:17 pm

  22. What does Human Rights got to do with politics? Nothing.

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    September 26, 2021 at 1:40 pm

    • Vetting.

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      September 26, 2021 at 1:41 pm

      • Decision Makers.

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        September 26, 2021 at 1:41 pm

  23. Andrew Coates

    September 26, 2021 at 3:30 pm

  24. Perhaps now is the time for Red Sonja, seeing as Starmer seems to have fizzled out.

    George M

    September 26, 2021 at 3:30 pm

  25. Useless is the name, useless is the game.
    Useless in the shame, useless found fame.
    Political useless causes uselessness in a MP nest.
    Control the pests at they’re very useless best.
    Now we need a rest to make us useless less.

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    September 26, 2021 at 3:46 pm

    • Use Less.

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      September 26, 2021 at 3:48 pm

  26. trev

    September 26, 2021 at 10:02 pm

    • And he claims that visiting JobCentres can be an ‘intimidating’ experience.

      cant see why that is they fear me when i go there thick as shit when you confront them on there bs works every single time.

      if a wc says there are over 1 million jobs to apply for say what about the just under 4 million unemployed ons figures still leaves just under 4 million unemployed.

      yet none of these providers will pay for any training that means anything like a hgv license just a level 3 in bollocks.

      yet the government would rather pay these private company’s there job out come fees than to the claimant that got the job them self and yet would rather pay them to keep you in work even if it was a min paid job.

      so say if you got a job a provider can get between 4 and 10k in job out come payments per person for one year depending on benefit claimed.

      so if you was on jsa and got a min wage cleaning job why not give them what they would give the providers to stay in a shit job.

      first year 1.5k
      second year 1k
      third year 1k
      forth year 500

      and all tax free! and free bus pass!


      September 26, 2021 at 11:01 pm

      • Visiting the Jobcentre can be an unpleasant and intimidating experience for many people, especially if you’re prone to suffering from Anxiety. Jobcentres on the whole are very depressing places, made worse if a person is already preoccupied with debts, unpaid bills, shortage of money, wondering how they’re going to make it through the week.


        September 26, 2021 at 11:16 pm

      • if i was a wc id send you on a bike riding lesson.

        and it is mandatory you try and win we may sanction you if you do not precipitate with no good reason. 😉


        September 26, 2021 at 11:38 pm

      • Mandatory bike lessons? First time I’ve heard of that. But it would only be going around a school playground like doing cycling proficiency as a kid. When it comes to using a bike on the roads I want one with a motor, the hills round here are so steep you can hardly walk up them.

        And now it’s 12.45am on a Sunday night and some pillock outside is setting fireworks off! Ffs


        September 26, 2021 at 11:45 pm

  27. it is mandatory if you sign on the dotted line and accept there terms and conditions of the contract you have a choice 😉


    September 26, 2021 at 11:53 pm

  28. Start panic buying candles the electric will be down by October.

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    September 27, 2021 at 9:44 am

    • Will the Tories be down by then as well !!

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      September 27, 2021 at 9:45 am

    • If the lights go out then there’s no internet, no jobsearch, no digital systems, no Benefits payments, no UC Journal.


      September 27, 2021 at 10:20 am

  29. Boris is doing such a wonderful job, it has amazed us how well he is doing.

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    September 27, 2021 at 9:47 am

  30. What else could go wrong !! Wrong is the new Right.

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    September 27, 2021 at 10:21 am

  31. If people are that concerned about the £20 cut from Universal Credit, remember that it would only take a 1p rise in Income Tax to pay for it.

    ‘A permanent increase of this scale would cost around £6 billion a year – equivalent to an extra penny on everyone’s income tax bill.- Sky News

    Jesus Christ…. Ebeneezer Scrooge might have been persuaded to part with a single penny. It’s down to to tax-payers of this country to stand up and say ”Yes, we’ll pay the extra penny Rishi, don’t make this brutal cut.”

    Jeff Smith

    September 27, 2021 at 12:23 pm

    • You think changing the tax system is free do you.

      It would be far simpler if businesses/employers raised the hourly wage rate as then there be that extra 6 million taken from tax as normal.

      The top 50% of tax payers income accounts for 74.6% of total incomes. This 50% also pay 90.6% of total income tax liabilities. I say this as i want you to understand the disparity (49.2%) before the next time you jaw off. I want you to understand what your saying even to this top 50% like they dont already contribute a lions share in income tax.

      There was a specific reason this government brought in the uplift and it weren’t because the pre covid claimants we all know they couldn’t care less about. Its all about earnings and living of it and it is this area that needs addressing. Address that and we can do way more than just address a £20 a week uplift.


      September 27, 2021 at 3:02 pm

    • I don’t think any taxpayer would grudge an extra 1p a year on their income tax 🙂 But your maths is off. Say 30 million taxpayers payers paid an extra penny a year that would only raise £300,000 per annum. It must mean an extra penny in the pound on the basic rate of income tax which would be a lot more than one single, solitary one pence piece. Something most people wouldn’t stoop down to pick off of the pavement. Either you are mathematically challenged, Jeff, or you are being disingenuous? Which one is it? I think I know the answer 🙂


      September 27, 2021 at 3:52 pm

      • I found a penny in the road a few days ago and I did stoop down to pick it up, as I always do. In the past 6 years I have found several pennies and a 20p, also two £10 notes, one £20 note, and one £5 note. Why do you assume that Jeff is being disingenuous?


        September 27, 2021 at 4:16 pm

      • Well, you should pick them up, trev. I do 🙂 It is supposed to bring you money luck. Supposedly if you pick up the small change you will then find bigger denominations. I have found fivers, tens and twenties 🙂 So it works 🙂 Or could be a case of you lose as much as you find 🙂 Some sort of funny karma going on if you believe in that kind of stuff 🙂 I have found a lot of US cents and dimes for some strange reason. They are sitting in a jar. I won’t need to spend anything the next time I head Stateside, whenever that will be 🙂


        September 27, 2021 at 4:43 pm

      • Finding US currency is an odd one, I can’t imagine what the hidden meaning behind that might be. When I was a smoker (I quit last Nov.) I often found packs of cigarettes when I was skint and couldn’t afford to buy any.


        September 27, 2021 at 5:42 pm

      • I don’t think there is a bigger thrill, well for me anyway 🙂 than seeing banknotes lying on the street 🙂 You have to a double-take 🙂


        September 27, 2021 at 4:46 pm

      • Well, Jeff is giving the false impression that the total bill for an individual taxpayer is one pence per year when in reality it is one pence for every pound you are over your tax allowance. So if your taxable income is £20,000 a year it would cost you an extra £200. Not quite the same thing as a penny 🙂


        September 27, 2021 at 4:51 pm

      • Oh right, I must admit I hadn’t attempted to work it out, I just assumed Jeff was making a generalization and people wouldn’t notice whether it was a penny or 20p, but £200 would be noticed!


        September 27, 2021 at 5:59 pm

      • Well, Jeff is giving the false impression that the total bill for an individual taxpayer is one pence per year when in reality it is one pence for every pound you are over your tax allowance. So if your taxable income is £20,000 a year it would cost you an extra £200. Not quite the same thing as a penny… 🙂


        September 27, 2021 at 4:52 pm

      • Karen

        As you know if we go by this 30 million income tax liability figure that it means each income tax payer would have to contribute 20p total in a single tax year ontop of what they already pay. What Jeff fails to grasp is how would the current rate of 20% have to change in order to incorporate this singular total addition of 20p per tax payer.
        Apart from the fact everyone’s salaries are different not to mention can vary (ie overtime, pay rise, commission, etc) so no tangible specific percentage could be applied, it escapes him that even if one could, the amount of zeros before the decimal point would be impracticable.

        If your listening Jeff a person working a fixed 37.5 hours a week, 52 weeks in a single year would need to contribute 0.000102564p per hour (yes it would go further back if you wanted it pinpoint accurate) to make that solitary extra payment of just 20p.
        Even if we do acknowledge a facsimile of this do you think its just a flick of a key affair, dont you think it involves enshrining it officially which involves processes and people which aren’t free.


        September 28, 2021 at 10:39 am

      • I never was any good at arithmetic but £6 billion (6,000,000,000) (assuming Rushi Sunak uses the US billion) by 30,000,000 taxpayers comes to £200. I am still at a loss to where Jeff’s one pence a year and doug’s 20p a year are coming from.


        September 28, 2021 at 11:06 am

      • And for the sake of completeness if Rushi Sunik is using the British billion 6,000,000,000,000 between 30,000,000 income taxpayers would come to £200,000. Somehow I don’t think that is correct 🙂


        September 28, 2021 at 11:11 am

      • Karen

        Oops, sorry Karen, for some reason i had 6 million in my head.

        So that £200 a year breaks down to around £3.84/85 a week over a 52 week period.

        Ive tracked down this sky news kay burley chat with Business Minister Paul Scully and as usual the media twisted what he actually said which was putting income tax up by the equivalent of a penny AND 3p on fuel tax.
        He also defended its not straight forward as government do not wish really to hike things for the poorly paid and rightly so i feel.

        Kay said but lacking any certainty that dont you think most people would accept putting an extra 1p on tax.
        She made no mention of the fuel tax going up as well.

        Kay knew or shouldn’t be on air if she didn’t that the fuel tax side of the conversation once people looked into as its not only about a persons car. would put quite a sizable dent in how many people would actually be that accepting.

        No wonder if Jeff wasn’t paying attention which obviously he wasn’t that he thought what he thought.


        September 29, 2021 at 10:09 am

      • Jeff

        The more i listen to this interview the more puzzling it appears as he does clearly say the equivalent on a penny on income tax and 3p on fuel.
        I know there is around 32.9 million car owners but i dont know without research which i dont have time for how many other vehicles there are for commercial purposes.

        As Karen rightly pointed out just a penny from each income tax payer only makes £300’000. This means fuel pays the lions share which means it has to be per litre or a certain amount on fuel per litre and a certain amount from the VAT gained from it. Remember people below a threshold in business or not in business cant claim VAT back.

        Without this minister giving a full account of what he actually means and how he worked it out its impossible to say. He obviously thought about it in some way otherwise why the two specific increases.

        I still believe we could afford the £20 uplift at around 6 billion but how without being unfair to anyone and trying to morally guilt trip people is the dilemma.


        September 29, 2021 at 11:52 am

    • @ doug, I was amazed that pre-covid claimants even received the ‘uplift’. I wonder what the DWP’s rationale was behind that decision. Hmm…


      September 27, 2021 at 3:59 pm

      • Karen

        People who didn’t get furloughed ended up with no work so it would be difficult to explain to tax payers how some people not working on UC are more deserving than others on UC.
        What with already demonizing people on legacy benefits as workshy dole bludgers, government knew most people wouldn’t raise an eyebrow at them being left out not to mention it wasn’t likely to see the light of day in a courtroom for a while during covid.

        Governments are truly selfish but its hardly surprising when you consider how selfish we are as a species. You’ve only got to look at the toilet paper,food and now fuel binge to see that in full flow.


        September 28, 2021 at 10:54 am

  32. The taxpayers of England,
    Must save the unemployed.
    If you agree to pay more,
    It’s a cut we can avoid.

    No one is asking much of you,
    A penny on the rate,
    Instead of leaving millions,
    To a miserable fate.

    You’ve got the jobs,
    You’ve got the cars,
    The private houses too,
    If you call yourself a Christian,
    It’s the least that you can do.

    Random Poet

    September 27, 2021 at 12:45 pm

    • @Random Poet- Bravo Random ! Another small masterpiece. You make a good point as well. It’s no good just going on at the unemployed, what are the taxpayers doing ?

      Jeff Smith

      September 27, 2021 at 10:22 pm

  33. There once was an old useless Government,
    Where no one took a blind bit of notice,
    They once called themselves voters
    Now they are the demoated & quoted.
    Bring in the Army to save Brexit Christmas,
    It’s all or bust, so don’t panic in a rush,
    Useless is a hush & plush.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    September 27, 2021 at 3:41 pm

    • Bust.

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      September 27, 2021 at 3:41 pm

  34. The DWP poetry school GCSE.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    September 27, 2021 at 3:42 pm

    • Welcome the new disability minister Chloe Smith who has just taken over from Justin Tomlinson who has no been sacked twice as Disabiltiy Minister. Lots of blood on their hands at the DWP Chloe & the disability Strategy fencing off.

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      September 27, 2021 at 3:46 pm

      • Chloe, Justin has been at the shredding Machine so your too late.

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        September 27, 2021 at 3:47 pm

  35. Your response related to “Restart ‘initial Diagnostic Assessment’ tools” 6/8/21

    Will participants be mandated by
    Work coaches can mandate
    21 January
    their Work Coach to attend Warm
    claimants to attend warm
    Handovers and Initial Face to Face handovers, but should only
    meetings if needed?
    consider mandating when
    attempts at voluntary
    participation have been
    The work coach will not
    mandate potential participants
    to attend the initial face-to-
    face meeting with the Restart
    provider. The Restart provider
    can choose to mandate the
    potential participant to the
    initial face-to-face meeting,
    but only where non-mandatory
    attempts have been


    so all the providers can do is mandate you to turn up like i have been saying for years and if you dont sign there contracts it is game over.


    September 27, 2021 at 4:09 pm

    • You just pipped me to the post here ted!

      jj joop

      September 27, 2021 at 4:47 pm

      • superted

        September 27, 2021 at 11:52 pm

  36. Cloverleaf

    September 27, 2021 at 5:11 pm

    • If true then this is another side effect of Brexit. We used to enjoy the protection of the EU, which classified Fluoride as a Medication and banned the addition of mass Medication to drinking water. Now we have lost all our protections and are at the mercy of our own Government who seemingly do whatever they want and get away with it.


      September 27, 2021 at 5:49 pm

      • You’re right Trev we are at the mercy of the Reichsfuhrer Johnson and the coke snorters. Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t the Nazis use sodium fluoride in the camps to keep the inmates docile?


        September 27, 2021 at 5:58 pm

      • OH I don’t know about that cloverleaf, I stop short of making comparisons with the Nazis, best not to go there, look what happened to poor old Red Ken. My point is that Parliament is supposed to act as a sort of safety valve to prevent governments behaving tyrannically, via the processes of both Houses, the Opposition, the Lords….but sometimes they just do what the hell they want and no one stops them. Take the Welfare reforms for example, all went before the scrutiny of the Lords, still got passed, Opposition abstained, hey presto it’s law.


        September 27, 2021 at 6:09 pm

      • On a lowlier level Trev, I wonder when we are going to have to start paying our (reduced) Council Tax again?

        My bill says zero till next year and I imagine we all, on benefits, have this.

        But a time will come when we have to pay out again and in some areas, this is a lot of money for people on benefits.

        Andrew Coates

        September 27, 2021 at 6:48 pm

      • Good point, I don’t know. Mine was cancelled last year and again this year, so as it stands I’m not due to pay anything until the 2022 Bill is issued, if that’s the case. Trouble is the effects of inflation are really starting to bite on my pittance of legacy JSA, I’ve got £10 left in the bank ’til I get my next payment on Friday. I’m finding that my money doesn’t seem to be going very far lately. When the Council Tax becomes due once again I’ll be struggling to pay it, even at the reduced rate of about £18 per month it’s an extra bill that I can do without. And who knows, it could be £20 by the time it is reinforced.


        September 27, 2021 at 7:05 pm

      • Now council tax could ALSO rise next year: Millions of British households face ‘double whammy’ along with increase in National Insurance to help pay for Boris Johnson’s social care plan



        September 27, 2021 at 6:56 pm

    • Community water fluoridation in England

      Around 5.8 million people in England receive fluoridated water. This means fluoride has been added to bring it up to around 1mg of fluoride per litre of water, which is a level found to reduce tooth decay levels.

      The decision about whether to add fluoride to the water supply is made by individual local authorities. Areas where water fluoridation schemes are currently in place include parts of:

      the West Midlands
      the North East
      the East Midlands
      Eastern England
      the North West
      Yorkshire and Humber

      In some parts of the country, such as parts of the North East and Midlands, the public water supply naturally contains a level of fluoride that’s similar to that seen in schemes. Some private water supplies contain more than this amount.

      You are already drinking it, Cloverleaf, and have been for years. It’s quite harmless, and stops or reduces tooth decay .

      George M

      September 27, 2021 at 10:45 pm

      • Cloverleaf

        September 28, 2021 at 7:57 am

      • Brushing your teeth with Fluoride reduces decay but I don’t see how consuming Fluoride can have the same effect, though it could possibly have a negative affect on ones internal organs – liver, kidneys, brain. I don’t agree with adding it to the water supply.


        September 28, 2021 at 8:46 am

      • What if you were drinking water with a straw? And what would be the point it would need to be really concentrated to match the concentration in toothpaste which you are applying topically. It makes no sense.


        September 28, 2021 at 11:16 am

  37. Labour’s DWP chief pours cold water on Universal Basic Income for every Brit



    September 27, 2021 at 5:30 pm

    • Labour will say or do anything to get out of the political disaster they have become. It’s like the Matrix, no-one cares what they say, or what they think. They might as well get a barrel-organ and a monkey, and let Starmer stand outside the conference, turning the handle.

      Jeff Smith

      September 27, 2021 at 10:27 pm

  38. Have they trained up the new 20,000 Work Coaches yet to become lorry drivers !!

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    September 27, 2021 at 7:07 pm

    • DWP Army.

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      September 27, 2021 at 7:13 pm

  39. Wait till Greg the bakers closes. There’ll be uproar.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    September 27, 2021 at 7:09 pm

    • I wouldn’t miss Greggs, the Pound Bakery is better, nicer pasties half the price.


      September 27, 2021 at 7:56 pm

  40. ‘Plan for Jobs’ skills and employment programmes: information for employers


    As much as I detest Boris, he is right about one thing. Employers need to spend more time and money investing in and training British workers, which is something they have always been loathe to do. They need to pay them more as well. They have become addicted to using cheap foreign labour.

    jj joop

    September 28, 2021 at 10:21 am

    • If tesco sell beans 50p cheaper than sainsburys selling the same where do people tend to go for said beans.
      Recruitment is just as capitalistic as anything else.

      Im not surprised boris says this as the tories have made training cheaper but alas it cant compete with being able to labour flood the market to depress wages, it cant compete with tell our foreign workers that it takes half the time it actually takes to do a certain task. In terms of above nat min they do indeed earn less because when they see the vacancy, they are comparing it to their own country hence the usual countries you see here.

      Allowing this will open the floodgates to other businesses which at a time employees have an upper hand to essentially leave businesses with no choice but to raise wages will be devastating for the lowest earners,


      September 28, 2021 at 11:49 am

      • As in your example our pursuit of the cheapest baked beans proves are all capitalists at heart. It depends what ‘hat’ you are wearing at a particular time as to whether you are the one being exploited or the one doing the exploiting: worker producing the baked beans, consumer buying the baked beans, or a shareholder (pension) in the baked bean manufacturer. But no matter what ‘hat’ we are wearing at a particular time we will all too readily exploit our fellow man or woman, if the exploited gets the upper-hand they will only too readily become the exploiter; we will always try to get one over on each other, we will always seek to profit from the labour.misfortune of others, we will always seek out the best deal for ourselves, we will always do what is in out own self-interest. It is Human Nature 101. Politicians and those that control us are all students of human nature; they all know this and they use it to play us 🙂


        September 29, 2021 at 11:41 am

  41. Guy arguing with his Work Coach down at the Jobcentre. He’s just gone on Universal Credit, and they sent him along to an agency that does a lot of industrial/ warehouse work. ( It’s a crap agency, well known for doing the roughest end of the jobs market ). He did a week, but they are only paying him for 4 days, because the company ”didn’t have his name down for the Friday” ?? He’d already been to the agency who told him there was nothing they could do. The company seem to have no record of him at all. A sort of ghost-worker. He’s done the extra day, but he’s not being paid. And the Work Coach ? He wanted him to go back to the agency. Which of course this guy didn’t want to do, until they paid him what he’s owed.
    And this is being better off under Universal Credit ?

    Jeff Smith

    September 28, 2021 at 12:06 pm

  42. Who has got more to give ? The unemployed or the well-paid taxpayer ? Isn’t it time for those who have more to act with generosity and say ”Yes, I’ll pay a little more income tax, so that others have enough to live decently.” It’s the Christian thing to do.

    Reverend Green

    September 28, 2021 at 12:18 pm

    • @Reverend Green: Quite right Reverend. It’s not a question of nitpicking over pennies, as Doug has done. He fails to appreciate the moral aspect in this. Why can’t people who are already living prosperous lives, give a little more of what they have ?

      George M

      September 28, 2021 at 2:12 pm

      • When your among the low earners yes it is.
        Don’t you think if it was that simple that we could cure all our issues. Don’t you think someone way way back would have mentioned it, even won an election off the back of it.
        Its never just 1p or 4p, you should know that by now.


        September 29, 2021 at 10:20 am

      • I see you are all still arguing about whether it would be 1p, 4p or even doug’s whooping 20p per year a taxpayer would have to pay to keep the universal credit uplift 🙂


        September 29, 2021 at 11:05 am

      • No political party ever won an election on the back of the promise of higher taxes 🙂 It is electoral suicide 🙂
        People will happily tell pollsters that they would be happy to pay more taxes to fund this that and the other but that is not the way they react when it comes to casting their vote at election time 🙂 As doug and more illustrious characters such Sigmund Freud and going all the way back to Thomas Hobbes said, people are basically selfish. To reiterate doug’s example: toilet rolls, pasta fuel. The chimpanzees in the zoo are better behaved. At feeding time human beings would be killing each other for the bananas 🙂 Homo sapien has to be the most selfish, destructive species on the planet… unless someone can name another one, I can’t 🙂


        September 29, 2021 at 11:26 am

    • “Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s…”


      September 28, 2021 at 6:25 pm

  43. ‘Considering mandating a Participant to undertake activity

    8.11. DWP does not provide a prescriptive list of activities. You have the freedom to determine the activity you require your Participant to undertake, provided it has the clear aim of helping them prepare for or move into work.

    8.12. The only restriction to this is mandating your Participant to complete work experience, apply for work, attend a job interview or take up work. You may agree these as voluntary activities but you must not set these as mandatory requirements.’


    ‘Participants in the Intensive Work Search Regime (IWSR) will have agreed work search, work preparation and work availability requirements with
    their JCP work coach to claim benefit. During interactions with the participant, the Restart provider may identify a potential doubt. They may
    notify DWP using a notification which will be included within the provider
    guidance.’ (26 Feb. 21)

    ‘The work coach will not mandate potential participants to attend the initial face-to-face meeting with the Restart provider. The Restart provider can choose to mandate the potential participant to the initial face-to-face meeting, but only where non-mandatory attempts have been unsuccessful.’ (21 Jan. 21)


    September 28, 2021 at 12:46 pm

  44. DWP Universal Credit: Record numbers seek mental health and money help ahead of £20-a-week cut
    Visits to a charity’s online mental health and money advice service have almost doubled in a year



    September 28, 2021 at 1:07 pm

  45. 28 September 2021
    Universal Credit cut will be devastating to many
    Millions of people will see a drastic cut to their benefits from 6 October as the government goes ahead with a cut to Universal Credit worth £20 a week.
    At the beginning of the Covid-19 pandemic in March 2020, chancellor Rishi Sunak announced that the standard allowance of Universal Credit would be temporarily increased by £20 a week. This was done, he said, to “strengthen the safety net” during the pandemic. Universal Credit and the £20 uplift has been a lifeline for people during the pandemic, with an unprecedented number of new claims processed.

    The uplift was initially set to last 12 months but was then extended by six months. It was confirmed in July that no more extensions would be applied and from the beginning of October, the standard allowance would return to its pre-March 2020 level.

    Biggest cut for generations
    The cut, which has been consistently opposed by PCS, has been calculated as the biggest single overnight cut to the basic rate of social security since the Second World War affecting around 6 million people. And campaigners have warned that the consequences will be devastating. It is predicted that more than 800,000 people will be plunged into poverty, including more than 200,000 children. 1 in 3 families are expected to be hit by the cut and in some areas, more than three-quarters of families with children will be affected.

    Those who are working will also be impacted by this cut, including some PCS members, as 40% of Universal Credit recipients are in work. For hard-working PCS members, this is just one of the many attacks on your standard of living. You’re still overpaying into your pensions by 2%; you’ll soon be paying a further 1.25% in National Insurance contributions and the 2% inflation rate devalues your pay even further. This means in the next year alone, you will all be hit with a real-terms cut of 5.25%. For those of you who also claim Universal Credit, this figure will be even higher.

    With all of this taken into account, along with the looming energy price hikes and food shortages, a cost of living crisis is intensifying and is set to affect millions of people up and down the country. PCS will be fighting for you at every turn to right these wrongs and protect your livelihoods.


    September 28, 2021 at 1:50 pm

  46. Another thing that the Tories have made a balls of, Legal Aid. If you ever want a country/society to fall apart and go to the dogs just put the Conservatives in charge and they are absolutely guaranteed to fuck up every aspect, they can’t help it, it’s their ideology – why do poor people need legal advice and representation? Why are we paying for that?



    September 28, 2021 at 2:43 pm

  47. There is no reason at all, except for pure Conservative spite, for cutting the £20 from Universal Credit.
    It is totally wrong and misleading, as any economist will tell you, to compare the economics of a soverign country which issues its own bonds and currency, with a personal savings account, or a household budget.
    The money need not come out of anyone’s pocket, income tax need not be raised. The government could very easily raise the relatively small additional amount, to make the uplift permanent. But they don’t want to do so, because they think it will discourage people at the lower-paid end of employment, from working.
    This is not a question of can’t do it, but of won’t do it. A very different thing.

    Jeff Smith

    September 28, 2021 at 4:43 pm

    • It’s Class War, same as the JSA freeze was, notions of fairness and reason don’t come into it, it’s unjustified.


      September 28, 2021 at 6:20 pm

      • As kids when we would blurt ‘but that isn’t fair 😦 ‘, we were always told in no uncertain terms ‘but life isn’t fair 😉 I don’t know how old you are, trev, but most of us left behind any notion about ‘life being fair’ when we were kids. l Life isn’t fair – get over it! 🙂


        September 29, 2021 at 11:12 am

  48. Iceland boss: UK has more food banks than McDonalds

    Iceland boss: UK has more food banks than McDonalds

    A retail boss had said cutting universal credit would be “a choice between heating and eating” for many people.



    September 28, 2021 at 11:36 pm

  49. Off topic but latest lunacy from my workplace, a primary school. Most ppl realise, lots of children equal lots of different illnesses going round, in addition to covid. And that as a result of lockdown masking and sanitising, ppl immune systems are shot. My place is so apoplectic about the increased sickness rate, and the fact they have to hire an agency teacher and 3 agency teaching assistants, plus an agency cleaner, they have announced anyone returning from sick leave will face a meeting with senior staff,! There you will be threatened with job loss among other things to try to scare you. I have been telling members and non members alike, if this is you, you have the right to your union officer or witness of your choice, in with you. I went back yesterday, before I’m fully fit, and I keep having to sit as I’m so weak. I missed this edict, as it was issued after I came back, but should it affect me I will demand someone from my union with me…and I’M an officer!


    September 29, 2021 at 1:19 pm

    • Im sorry to hear that Kat.

      If laws are the same as the last time i visited this topic (do check) but they simply cant just dismiss on the basis of a valid illness/disability. They must first look within their structure if there is a job you can do and or offer to pay for a course (was around £3’000) to retrain if they cant find an alternative work position and have to let you go.

      I wish you much luck though at this meeting.


      October 4, 2021 at 8:09 am

      • 1 thanks Doug….you are right! It wasn’t me facing the meeting, they started this after I came back, but I’ve since sat in with ppl they tried it with, and had to point out they have no power to do this, this person hasnt had time off for 9 months so shouldn’t be facing threats. ..it’s just bullying ppl to keep going, they’ve started naming sick ppl in emails and so far this month 17 working days have been lost and yheyre paying 4 agency teaching assistants. My comment was “And?” The draconian sickness policy accounts for 75% of officers workload, when we are really needed for other things too…..


        October 5, 2021 at 10:50 am

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