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Government Pulls Opposition Day debate on Universal Credit Cut. Instead MPs will vote on National Insurance hike.

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Government pulls plans for imminent vote on controversial universal credit  cut | The Independent

Government pulls plans for imminent vote on universal credit cut.

Universal Credit vote blocked as government scraps opposition day

Elliot Chappell. Labour List.

Jacob Rees-Mogg has told parliament that an opposition day debate, in which Labour had been planning to force a vote on a cut to Universal Credit, will not take place so that MPs can vote on the plan to raise National Insurance instead.

The leader of the House of Commons informed MPs of the change to the schedule following a statement by Boris Johnson this afternoon, in which the Prime Minister confirmed plans to break a 2019 Tory manifesto pledge with a 1.25% levy.

Johnson announced the policy as part of the funding arrangement for his long-awaited social care plan. He presented the proposal to the cabinet this morning before coming to parliament to outline his “sustainable” plan for the care sector.

Reacting to the change in scheduling, Labour’s Thangam Debbonaire said: “This morning, cabinet was bounced into the Prime Minister’s so-called social care plan and now the leader is trying to bounce parliament into accepting it in a vote tomorrow. This is no way to run a government. It’s no way to run a country.

“This Tory tax rise won’t come in until next spring, so why the rush? Does he know that he will never get it past his backbenchers, through parliament, otherwise? Is he making sure that his own MPs have as little time as possible to consult their constituents or hear from stakeholders and experts?”

Labour had been hoping to force a vote on the government’s £20-per-week cut to Universal Credit, which will take effect from October 6th. Ministers face opposition on the move from the opposition and campaigners as well as backbench Tories.

“The government have pulled Labour’s vote on the cut to Universal Credit that would have been tomorrow to vote on the NI increase instead. I will do all I can to ensure a vote still takes place. The biggest cut in the history of the welfare state must be debated in parliament,” Jonathan Reynolds said.


On the issue actually debated today the TUC has issued this statement.

TUC – PM’s social care announcement is “deeply disappointing” to workforce 

Commenting on today’s (Tuesday) social care announcement by the Prime Minister, TUC General Secretary Frances O’Grady said: 

“We need a social care system that delivers high-quality care and high-quality employment. 

“New funding for social care is long overdue. But today’s announcement will have been deeply disappointing both to those who use care, and to those who provide it. 

“The Prime Minister promised us a real plan for social care services, but what we got was vague promises of money tomorrow. 

“Care workers need to see more pay in their pockets now. Nothing today delivered that. Instead, the only difference it will make to low-paid care staff is to push up their taxes. 

“This is so disappointing after the dedication care workers have shown during this pandemic keeping services running and looking after our loved ones. 

“Proposals to tax dividends should have been just once piece in a plan to tax wealth, not an afterthought to a plan to tax the low-paid workers who’ve got us through the pandemic. 

“We know social care needs extra funding. But the prime minister is raiding the pockets of low-paid workers, while leaving the wealthy barely touched. 

“We need a genuine plan that will urgently tackle the endemic low pay and job insecurity that blights the social care sector – and is causing huge staff shortages and undermining the quality of care people receive.” 

The TUC published proposals on Sunday to fund social care and a pay rise for the workforce by increasing Capital Gains Tax. 

The union body says increasing tax on dividends is a welcome first step to reforming the way we tax wealth, but that it won’t generate the revenue needed to deliver a social care system this country deserves. 

Instead, by taxing wealth and assets at the same level as income tax, the government could raise up to £17bn a year to invest in services and give all care staff a minimum wage of £10 an hour. 

TUC analysis shows that seven in 10 social care workers earn less than £10 an hour and one in four are on zero-hours contracts. 

Polling published on Sunday by the TUC showed that eight in 10 working adults – including seven in 10 Conservative voters – support a £10 minimum wage for care workers. 

Written by Andrew Coates

September 8, 2021 at 11:54 am

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  1. 8 September 2021
    PCS opposes Universal Credit cut
    PCS opposes the removal of the £20 a week uplift of Universal Credit, particularly at a time when unemployment is likely to increase as a result of the end of the furlough scheme.
    In real terms, the government intends to cut Universal Credit payments by between 15% and 25% to all claimants at the end of this month.

    PCS welcomed the introduction of the uplift in April 2020 as a measure to support people whose income was impacted by the pandemic.

    As key frontline workers, PCS members have worked throughout the pandemic to deliver Universal Credit in jobcentres. They have reported to us that the £20 weekly uplift in UC payments has meant that claimants are better able to engage in job seeking rather than having continuous worries about money.

    The cut in UC is likely to plunge many of the most vulnerable and low-paid members of society even deeper into poverty and debt.

    Many thousands of PCS members working in DWP, the government department responsible for the delivery of UC, are paid so poorly that they are forced to claim it. They are subject to a public sector pay freeze so the cut in UC, the increase in National Insurance payments on top of the pay freeze will mean that they will take three separate hits from the government in a short space of time. This is scant reward for the support they have given to society throughout the pandemic.


    September 8, 2021 at 12:06 pm

    • Ted, glad I saw this comment. ..there are workers worse off than me!! Imagine as a work coach having to sign on and be told find more hours,!


      September 8, 2021 at 1:38 pm

  2. They shot themselves in the foot when they made the £20 uplift to Universal Credit. It only emphasised just how meagre benefits had become. After four years of deliberate and brutal cuts. No wonder they don’t want to debate this shameful cut to Universal Credit.

    Jeff Smith

    September 8, 2021 at 12:11 pm

    • “The level of UK benefits paid in pensions, jobseeker’s allowance and incapacity benefit is “manifestly inadequate” because it falls below 40% of the median income of European states, according to the Council of Europe in Strasbourg.”

      Level of UK benefits inadequate, says Council of Europe

      29 Jan 2014

      “Iain Duncan Smith says it is ‘lunacy’ for Strasbourg to suggest welfare payments need to rise”



      September 8, 2021 at 2:07 pm

  3. Millionaire Tories who spend more than £20 on their lunch. But are quite prepared to take this money away
    knowing the hardship and hunger it will cause. Nye Bevan was right, they are vermin.

    George M

    September 8, 2021 at 12:15 pm

    • “lower than vermin”


      September 8, 2021 at 2:03 pm

  4. Rees – Mogg is getting his knickers in a twist about the ‘Tax’ increase and betrayal of electoral pledge.


    September 8, 2021 at 12:17 pm

    • Jacob Rees-Mogg declares love for money as 12-year-old in unearthed interview
      Jacob Rees-Mogg declared his love for money as a 12-year-old during a newly uncovered interview, shared by the French National Audiovisual Institute.

      In the footage, the leader of the House of Commons is sitting in the back of a Rolls Royce in 1982, explaining why he “needs” money.

      “I love money, always have done,” Mogg says.

      “Why? Because you need money. With money, you can make more money. If you’ve got money, you can buy things that you want. I could buy this Rolls Royce, lovely.”


      Conservative Christian Fellowship mark 30 years with Jacob Rees-Mogg talk
      Wed 18 Nov 2020
      The Christian wing of the Conservative Party has celebrated its 30th anniversary with a talk from Jacob Rees-Mogg.


      1 Timothy 6:10
      King James Version
      10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.


      September 8, 2021 at 12:53 pm

      • A portrait of the politician as a young man.

        What a charmer.


        September 8, 2021 at 4:56 pm

      • But (in his own mind at least) a good Christian


        September 8, 2021 at 5:46 pm

      • @ trev

        So did the Spanish Inquisition,slavers and ordained ministers who burned elderly ladies as witches and fellow Christians as heretics because of disputes over Christian doctrine. In my experience religion is whatever it is that people make of it and rarely makes bad cold hearted people good and in my estimation Jacob Rees-Mogg is definitely NOT a good man even less a good Christian.


        September 9, 2021 at 8:43 am

      • Conservative Christians such as Mogg conveniently ignore parts of the Bible that pertain to themselves;

        “the love of money is the root of all evil”

        “it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

        “Man cannot serve two masters, Mammon and God”

        Hence this happened:

        “The Conservative Christian Fellowship (CFF) started in 1990 when a group of students wanted to address criticisms that the Christian faith and Conservative policies were not compatible. ”


        We also had Boris Johnson declaring that “Greed is good”, hardly very Christian. They are a bunch of hypocrites.


        September 9, 2021 at 9:08 am

      • If Mogg wasn’t politically dangerous thanks to BoJo’s patronage he would be as laughable as this:


        September 9, 2021 at 10:05 am

  5. I’m furious about this hike! By time I’ve paid rent and union dues, a 10 phone tip up, I’m left with about as much per week to live on and clothe myself as an unemployed person… and I have to pay for prescriptions, eye tests and glasses and the dentist in full! As to care when I’m older, I can’t see my even making it to retirement age… I’ll keel over pushing my hoover or mop bucket! The comments it’s a very conservative thing to do is accurate…. Hitting the poorest harder!


    September 8, 2021 at 12:56 pm

  6. I very much doubt if Liebour intended to have a debate and vote on universal credit, Tory and Liebour are two cheeks of the same ar$$e they couldn’t give a sht about the plight of the poor. What do you expect when you have a one party state.

    Poly = many _________ Ticks = blood sucking parasites.


    September 8, 2021 at 1:25 pm

  7. Do they know it’s C time? Boris Johnson and the superspreaders song.


    September 8, 2021 at 5:14 pm

    • Have you been vaccinated yet Cloverleaf?


      September 8, 2021 at 6:07 pm

      • No I’m allergic to peanuts.


        September 8, 2021 at 6:41 pm

      • Seriously? I always think it’s strange that people with nut allergy are mostly allergic to peanuts, which are not even a true nut but a legume. I also sympathize with those who are unable to enjoy peanut butter!


        September 8, 2021 at 7:10 pm

      • @trev: There are people on here who are allergic to intelligence, and that will take more than a vaccine to cure.

        George M

        September 9, 2021 at 1:12 pm

  8. Restart ‘initial diagnostic tools’ in use by Serco Limited, Jobs 22 Limited, Reed in Partnership Limited, Seetec Pluss Limited and Fedcap Employment Limited and Restart prime providers sub-contractors



    September 8, 2021 at 5:22 pm

  9. Andrew Coates

    September 8, 2021 at 7:13 pm

    • It’s never been enough to live on and neither has JSA, or Unemployment Benefit before it. The ‘Dole’ in Britain has always been peanuts, set at just above starvation level if you can budget for food out of such a pittance.


      September 8, 2021 at 7:19 pm

      • If a government cant afford to raise benefits then they obviously aren’t taking enough in taxes. If they aren’t taking enough taxes then the problem is employment. Any problems surrounding employment questions how businesses are operating and the models they follow.

        With employment levels pre covid in excess of 32 million commands any government to have to look at how financially beneficial they actually are at each and every level of skill. Large businesses cant exist let alone operate without low to no skilled workers in large volume.
        Its pointless to expand if all you do is leave a trail of employees who either barely make ends meet or are reliant on welfare to subsidize wage shortfalls.


        September 9, 2021 at 8:14 am

  10. Since all the new 20,000 Work Coaches have been employed by the DWP they have been on furlough on wages of £31,000 per year. Now the 20,000 Work coaches coming off furlough & are told to go back to work. The Work Coaches do not like the Working Conditions going back to work, so the Work Coaches have voted to strike. Would it not be better to get these 20,000 Work Coaches training to be Lorry Drivers & perhaps Borise can save Christmas & his job.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    September 8, 2021 at 8:15 pm

    • @Stepping Razor – And most of the zero-hours work that these Work Coaches try to get the unemployed to take on, doesn’t pay £31 K , or anything like it. Or have a civil service pension, or have a private house on a mortgage with regular sex on offer from their wives. And a dog too. and often a swimming pool.

      Jeff Smith

      September 9, 2021 at 1:06 pm

      • @Jeff Smith: And a boat, and a second car.

        George M

        September 9, 2021 at 1:09 pm

  11. With the £20 a week Universal Credit deduction cures cancer. Also with the reduction you can grow new limbs.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    September 8, 2021 at 8:18 pm

  12. Andrew Coates

    September 9, 2021 at 6:41 am

    • But they are not really ‘braced for it’, insulated as they all are by wealth and million-pound London homes.
      By well-paid jobs as Tory MPs and Ministers, with generous expense accounts. They are not going to suffer the loss of a single penny when the £20 cut is made to Universal Credit. They will just watch millions of other people suffer….a very different thing.

      Jeff Smith

      September 9, 2021 at 12:57 pm

    • Universal Credit cut will not be reversed and ‘final decision has been made’, No10 says



      September 10, 2021 at 3:17 pm

  13. superted

    September 9, 2021 at 1:22 pm

  14. Off topic but funny.


    The only way Williamson could possibly make matters worse would be to try to excuse his ignorance by saying something entirely crass like: “A natural mistake to make surely. After all they all look alike to me.”


    September 9, 2021 at 4:57 pm

    • Excuse my ignorance but I’ve never heard of Maro Itoje.


      September 9, 2021 at 6:42 pm

      • Maro Itoje is a rugby union player campaigning to get more computers and tablets for children in schools and Marcus Rashford a professional footballer campaigning against food poverty and poverty in general, e.g., stopping the £20.00 cut in Universal Benefit etc. They’re both black but look completely different and impossible to confuse one with another unless young black men all look the same to you. Which in Williamson’s case I wouldn’t be in the least surprised.


        September 10, 2021 at 5:43 pm

      • I know about Marcus Rashford of course, well publicized. Not been watching mainstream news lately and I know nothing about sport! Though I did catch something this morning about the impressive young tennis player.


        September 10, 2021 at 6:59 pm

  15. Have the Tories created their own conundrum

    When the Tories first came to power they brought in austerity to balance the books with a five year plan. They failed in this first attempt so lengthened the time required.
    This in all public sectors caused numerous problems that exacerbated as the years rolled on and the milestone of a decade was reached.
    Now despite all that, government has put its hand up and out without the slightest recognition that they themselves are more than just a little responsible for its now necessity not just because of austerity but because they ignored back in Cameron’s time an offer made and massively supported by the public, to be willing to give more towards the NHS.

    Instead now when most of us are struggling more than ever to get back to normality while having to embrace covid as far from over, we are hit.
    What if a new variant services that’s immune to our best efforts to date, what then when this 1.25% gets all swallowed up and we are no further along the road ?


    September 10, 2021 at 9:40 am

  16. Passport expansion, work and benefits

    Talk is circulating that should covid again see a large spike in cases that governments may consider expanding the passport to cover other areas of our lives where large amounts of people gather.

    Now speculatively i would imagine pubs,gyms, various outlets like supermarkets as a prime example of a large gathering will get looked at but we also cant rule out certain businesses who hire a specific amount of people who all work at one site such as warehouses,food manufacturers, public transport and the likes.

    God forbid this happens but, especially in the light of soon to be a growth of care/support workers leaving their trade due to a vaccine mandate, feel its time DWP addresses how they intend to receive applications for UC from anyone nolonger working purely on the grounds of declining the vaccine.

    Will the potential claimant receive full benefits regardless of this being the cause, receive a reduced amount or prohibited from benefits in part or full for the required period a person puts themselves out of work (i believe its 16 weeks but could be well wrong).

    Further to this how does DWP intend to deal with existing claimants, even those on working at all if they have declined the vaccine no matter reason and such a rise in infection cases meant mandating employers to mandate employees prior to being giving an offer of work must be vaccinated.


    September 10, 2021 at 11:10 am

    • That’s an interesting point. If somebody was dismissed or left their job because they refused to be vaccinated against coronavirus without good reason would they be eligible for support from the DWP while unemployed? Unless there was a tangible reason, e.g., sincere religious belief or medical condition etc., to explain why someone refused to accept a vaccine most of the rest of the population had already received I doubt that such a person would be eligible to receive Universal Credit myself. My bet is that the Jobcentre would refuse their claim deeming that the person had either voluntarily terminated their employment without good cause or deliberately got themselves dismissed and so would be disqualified from claiming.

      Surely not many care workers would get into a pickle like this, Doug?

      To be honest I’m not 100% sure of the score but do know from experience that UC has been designed to have little wriggle room, being a rules based system which gets rigidly applied. It’s been set up like this deliberately to ensure that sympathetic Work Coaches can’t give claimants an easy ride eve if they wanted to.


      September 10, 2021 at 2:19 pm

      • As a Union officer I’d have thought it would have been impossible to force people already employed to have the jab as nothing would be in their contract, but as usual this government has ripped up the rule book. One of the guys in my house is a student nurse and he’s refusing the jab. I’m watching this with interest, as I said before if they make this mandatory they won’t stop there: and while you might support compulsory jabs, would you support compulsory blood testing/ screening/ random drug testing?


        September 11, 2021 at 11:07 am

      • @ Kat

        I would be interested for what reason your student nurse is refusing the anti-covid jab. Working in the NHS he/she must know that this vaccination is safe and highly effective against serious illness from Covid as well as reducing the risk of passively passing it on to others. For the life of me I can’t understand why any person would not want to protect themselves and others, as much as possible, by accepting one or other of the safe and effective vaccines. Just out of interest do you know what lies behind his reluctance? I would so much like to try to understand why an aspiring health professional would personally turn reject the very medicine and science he would be charged with dispensing to patients once qualified the workplace. I would be very be so very interested in the reasons this person is so adverse to vaccination, a treatment which he might be very well be required to administer to the population en masse himself in the future.


        September 11, 2021 at 2:25 pm

      • Alestair, he has concerns about its safety pure and simple!


        September 12, 2021 at 9:29 am

      • Aleister

        The vaccine currently only and hopefully (case by case basis) reduces the threat of the effects of the infection on the individual who is vaccinated, sadly not reduce that which gets transmitted.

        Your talking a submicroscopic infectious agent meaning amount of is far less relative than the right environment to operate.

        Sadly despite myself being fully vaccinated im still no less a threat than a person who is not vaccinated (1 or 2 doses) when we remove physical preventive measures (space, face and hygiene).

        Moving on its the profession thats mandated to ensure vaccination, not the individual unless said individual is self employed. A law is instituted to give said employers the right to require both its current employees and potential employees be vaccinated in order to retain or get employment.
        No one is going to leave said employment if they haven’t gained other employment meaning if not contained in contract that the employer can only terminate said contract ( null in void) but not on grounds of misconduct at any level.

        This means said existing employees did not voluntarily make themselves unemployed by way of contravening their current contract where said contract does not stipulate such in specific and clear terms.

        Furthermore no one needs any good reasons to not be vaccinated as its not a mandate for any member of the public to have to be. Its a freedom of choice matter as have all vaccines been over the decades.
        You cant coerce or deceive someone in this country in order to obtain something the law requires be entered into of freewill.

        This is why i feel DWP needs to officially announce how they intend to handle such incidents not just with regards people already in employment but also people who are currently unemployed and in receipt of benefits.


        September 12, 2021 at 10:49 am

      • Cheers, Doug. I thought that vaccination significantly reduced the chances of infected members of the vacinnated from passing on the virus, at least that’s what people have been saying, i.e., that vaccination doesn’t guarantee immunity but massively reduces an individual’s chances of becoming very ill if infected and also reduces the chance of passing on the virus after vaccination if you do become infected because being less seriously ill because of coronavirus means you shed less of the virus and so spread it less yourself.


        Today the government has announced that it was scrapping plans to issue covid passports and doesn’t expect any need for further lockdowns which sounds as if they intend to loosen restrictions introduced to combat coronavirus. I really hope that this isn’t being done too soon. There are still about 150 people dying a day from coronavirus, i.e., about 54,750 a year at the current rate, which, coupled with seasonal flu could start clogging up the hospitals with the infected again over late autumn and winter.


        As far as vaccine refusal goes it looks as if that’s going to be up to employers and individuals to work out between themselves. Apparently employers can mandate vaccination for employees if ordering someone to be vaccinated could be considered to be a “reasonable instruction” and employees could be dismissed if they refuse. Here’s an interesting article setting out the legal position:


        Looks like a grey area to me because what a “reasonable instruction” is for one person might be completely unreasonable for another.


        September 12, 2021 at 1:53 pm

      • @ Kat

        I think your student nurse might be in the wrong profession, Kat. How odd it would be for a nurse to be administering coronavirus vaccines to men, women and children in their thousands but too fearful to accept the vaccine personally. I really don’t understand that one especially as your friend could well end up working in wards harbouring large numbers of patients infected with current/new/novel strains of covid in the future.

        In his position I would want to be vaccinated against covid and common influenza as a matter of course.

        Good luck to him anyway!


        September 12, 2021 at 2:12 pm

      • Aleister

        Yeah, read that article in other media when it was released and took it on aboard for a bit until in my attempt to better understand viruses came across study material of how viruses survive and operate. I suppose common sense should have made me question that during reading the article but alas it didnt kick in at the time.

        Its truly amazing how viruses come about, exist and hold the potential to dominate on scales i had never imagined. We currently all worry about covid yet lurking in every crevice of organic creation is yet billions more adapting, gaining momentum and all with the potential to change to a state that could pose a real threat to us in decades and centuries to come.

        A viruses world is so very very very much smaller than ours and it only needs the right environment followed by circumstance and bingo its at our door.

        Moving on this morning its claimed government are uturning on passports in areas concerning at least part of what we were all talking about so thats a good sign i hope unless they uturn again. Sadly it does not aid my original question as regards DWP handling of this in time to come but at least its one thing less.


        September 13, 2021 at 7:43 am

  17. Not sure what the vaccine refusers are going to do, if you have to show a vaccine passport
    before the DWP will let you in the Jobcentre.

    George M

    September 10, 2021 at 12:50 pm

    • @Kat, well said girl.


      September 11, 2021 at 11:24 am

      • Thanks Cloverleaf!


        September 12, 2021 at 9:30 am

    • That won’t happen. As far as I know it’s crowded indoor social activities which are targeted, where drink flows freely and people interact with each other intimately, that the government want to exclude the unvaccinated, e.g., nightclubs. Jobcentres will simply control the flow of people through them by appointments, only having small numbers of socially distanced persons in them at any one time, regular cleaning of surfaces and barrier methods like mandating masks for visitors and transparent screens erected between staff and the general public. Besides it is not the vaccinated staff of Jobcentres but unvaccinated visitors to those premises who face the greatest danger from coronavirus, not the other way around, although I doubt that this patent fact will discourage the DWP from forcing unvaccinated claimants, none of which will have covid passports, to visit them regularly and in doing so put themselves at risk.


      It would be nice if Jobcentres did refuse entry to claimants and visitors, without coronavirus passports, to reduce the risk of unvaccinated contracting covid by entering these public spaces. Sadly I don’t think for a minute the DWP would be so kind or enlightened.


      September 11, 2021 at 2:54 pm

  18. No jab, no job
    No jab, no Jobcentre.

    Jeff Smith

    September 10, 2021 at 12:56 pm

  19. DWP Impact Assessment on the removal of the £20 a week UC ‘uplift’

    DWP Response

    Following a search of our paper and electronic records, we have established that the
    information you requested is not held by this Department as there was no Internal Review
    request made.



    September 10, 2021 at 3:02 pm

  20. Provider Apps

    Dear Department for Work and Pensions,

    Reed in Partnership use an App called careercentre.me (link below), which they expect benefit claimants to use who have been referred to them via the DWP when participating in the Restart scheme.


    Using this App would involve a claimant having to create a user account, registering their personal details and accepting all Cookies, etc.

    1. Please provide me with any recorded information held by the DWP, which states whether or not a claimant can be given a Mandatory Activity Notice by Reed to use the career.me App.

    2. Please provide me with any recorded information held by the DWP, which details what action can and/or will be taken against a claimant who declines to use said App.

    Yours faithfully,

    Theodore Allan



    September 10, 2021 at 3:04 pm

  21. Policy alternatives to the £20 cut to Universal Credit

    September 10, 2021



    September 10, 2021 at 4:37 pm

  22. Minister: Doubts continue over Army’s troubled Ajax armoured vehicles

    Defence Minister Jeremy Quin has said he “cannot 100% promise” that noise and vibration problems with the Army’s new fleet of armoured vehicles can be resolved.

    He told MPs the programme remains “troubled” and said he could give no deadline for issues to be sorted out.

    It comes after the Ministry of Defence confirmed more than 300 soldiers are being assessed for hearing loss.

    Labour said the programme is on “end of life watch”.

    The Ministry of Defence (MoD) signed a contract for 589 of the Ajax armoured vehicles in 2014 and has already spent nearly £3.5bn on the troubled flagship programme.

    The vehicles, which are fully digital, were billed as the “next generation” of armoured vehicles but have been beset by problems.

    Trials were halted in March and again in June after crews reported problems with noise and vibration.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    September 10, 2021 at 6:22 pm

  23. £3.5bn on the troubled flagship programme.

    ON no the Social Care Budget is being wasted again. Champagne anyone !!!

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    September 10, 2021 at 6:23 pm

    • oh no

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      September 10, 2021 at 6:24 pm

  24. Now everyone in the Cabinet can have a £1m Swimming Pool.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    September 10, 2021 at 6:26 pm

    • Champagne anyone !!!

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      September 10, 2021 at 6:26 pm

  25. superted

    September 10, 2021 at 7:07 pm

  26. Morrisons to dock staff pay if they haven’t had the jab.


    September 11, 2021 at 2:07 pm

    • I’m not sure if it’s still Morrisons, didn’t they get taken over by someone recently?


      September 11, 2021 at 2:58 pm

    • Face masks could return this autumn if Covid cases begin to surge alarmingly

      “Adults in England could be told to wear face masks in indoor settings -once again becoming a legal requirement with fines issued for those who flout the rules”


      Personally I’m still wearing facemasks when shopping, but I’ve noticed that I’m in a minority despite Covid infections being rife in my area. People are behaving like it’s all over. Someone behind me in the checkout queue at Aldi this morning asked me to move forward, I had to explain to him that I was trying to maintain safe distancing. Let’s face it, a large proportion of the general public are as thick as two short planks.


      September 11, 2021 at 3:12 pm

  27. It’s bound to cause problems if you are going to have people refusing the vaccinations, while most people have had them . The vast majority in fact. Some people still don’t want to give up smoking. But no-one is letting them smoke now in pubs, shops, restaurants, on buses and trains, or in offices and public buildings.
    People don’t want to breathe in other people’s second-hand smoke. And they don’t want to breathe in their
    Covid-19 virus either.

    Jeff Smith

    September 11, 2021 at 2:39 pm

    • @Jeff Smith: Well said Jeff. I know some people can’t have the jab for medical reasons, fair enough. But there are others who just want other people to take the jabs, and put up with the very slight risk of side-effects. While they hide out and refuse to take the jab themselves. Just selfish and stupid.

      George M

      September 11, 2021 at 3:29 pm

      • people have a choice it is up to them to take it or not same as signing provider paperwork, so for me deaths in my age range are so low there is no point in taking it as it does not stop you getting it or transmitting it so to use the word vaccine which implies a cure is misleading as it is a treatment same as the flu jab every year.

        the government are ignoring the jcvi and giving it to 12-15 years olds so that was there agenda from the start and give a experimental drug to as many as possible and know one knows what side effects you can have 5-10 years from now.


        if there was 2 busses 1 full of treated ppl and 1 with no treatment i would not care which one i went on and wont wear a mask and never have and im still not dead even after being ran over 2 times lol.


        September 11, 2021 at 3:53 pm

      • @superted- No it’s not the same as signing provider paperwork, that only affects you. Refusing to have the jab, and thinking its clever not to wear a mask is selfish , and stupid. As George M says.
        So we have to start from that basic fact. Of course if you want to be selfish and stupid…

        Jeff Smith

        September 11, 2021 at 7:06 pm

      • yet im still not dead and not had to stay at a provider for the last ten years i have a choice and i made one and said no.

        more ppl die from cancer than covid no cure will be ever be made and all you are getting is a treatment that will run out and stop working.

        what you going to do take it for the rest of your life pmsl good luck with that.

        and yet i still dont know anyone that has had it or died from it no one round here wears face masks or stays 2m apart and been like this since the start last year.

        and my nan is now dyeing from cancer in hospital and been there for the last 2 months and she not even got it and tested frequently

        Lavishly funded Moderna hits safety problems in bold bid to revolutionize medicine

        In order to protect mRNA molecules from the body’s natural defenses, drug developers must wrap them in a protective casing. For Moderna, that meant putting its Crigler-Najjar therapy in nanoparticles made of lipids. And for its chemists, those nanoparticles created a daunting challenge: Dose too little, and you don’t get enough enzyme to affect the disease; dose too much, and the drug is too toxic for patients.


        they have had this stuff for years it never went to human trials because of this report and they dumped it until now.

        i original found a link to this on the rna vaccine wiki page it has now been removed completely and been redone and they dont want a link to the reality of what you are taking and a big enough hit will kill humans fact.

        so the jcvi said not to give it to kids based on science yet the government know better who is the stupid one now.

        you have to fight for your rights because if you dont they will just keep taking more and more until you are just a slave and do what your told in a corporate dictatorship.

        so have fun down the providers as im sure like a good little sheep you will do as your told and sign there contracts and hand over all of your personnel data as this will be mandatory.

        and id not be surprised if you did a stint on the whp they would then dump you on to the restart programme for a total 2.5 year stint end to end.

        so take the jab or dont take it i really dont care as this is your choice just remember it does not stop you dyeing from it or passing it on and id not give it to anyone under 50 let alone 12 year olds.

        so how many kids that take it and die is acceptable 1 10 100 1000 as this government does not give a shit and ignoring the science because it was there agenda from the start.


        September 11, 2021 at 8:04 pm

    • Jeff Smith

      What happened with smoking in indoor places of business is the same as what happened with both CSCS cards on construction sites post 2015 and drug and alcohol testing in certain trades. Government used insurance companies only to happy to push these agendas to put effective force on businesses to comply where laws couldn’t or only in part. We will be seeing it again soon enough with regard vehicle insurance and the enforcement to make vehicle owners have to have tracking and data sending devices fitted to there cars.

      This is regardless of merits and demerits how things get pushed through where the legal question cant be answered on why it cant be imposed on the individual. We are all witnessing this again with covid and why its only defense of implementation thus far is to play the moral duty card to enforce what is effectively, ostracization.

      Moral duty is a construct, an ideology, not a mandated requirement that is enforceable like laws are.

      While its not a crime either to have a sense of moral duty we have to face one particular irksome fact.
      The fact the vaccine only offers the individual possibly some protection from the effects of this infection but does not in any shape or form reduce/lessen in any amount, what gets transmitted.
      Until a vaccine is created that prevents the virus entering in a persons system altogether, we cant vaccinated or not stop transmission.

      The actions of quarantine of those confirmed infected, space, masks and hygiene is currently the only weapon we have to help reduce transmission which if we cant produce a vaccine i prescribed means is the only way we can hope to eradicate it until such times as it reappears again in decades to come.

      So despite myself being fully vaccinate im no lesser risk to another person if we are talking purely about vaccines than a person who is totally unvaccinated.

      People not wearing masks, practicing space, etc are if we go by the vaccine stats largely by percentage vaccinated (1 or 2 doses).

      So the question is if we talk moral duty, why has the vast majority who are vaccinated at various levels the ones not practicing all the space, face and hygiene regularly.


      September 12, 2021 at 9:53 am

  28. Good points being made about covid. If everyone was vaccinated we would still have people passing on the virus to each other and some ending up needing treatment I hospital. The positive about the vaccine is that it appears to reduce the risk of serious health problems. The unvaccinated are no more a danger than the vaccinated. Biden was blaming the unvaccinated for all the covid cases to coax them into taking up the vaccine. The danger to not having the vaccine is that the individual could end up with serious health issues and even death.
    Imagine if someone got tired of being bullied and had the vaccine only to end up with blood clots and dying. Those bullies wouldn’t care, they would still say it was worth the risk.


    September 12, 2021 at 12:08 pm

    • @ Rob

      The chances of having blood clots and dying from the vaccine are miniscule. The chances of having blood clots as a result of contracting Covid is far greater, and you may die, but even if you survive you could have permanent lung damage. Being hospitalized through Covid also places greater strain on the NHS. Getting vaccinated is a no-brainer. It’s the obvious best choice you can make.


      September 12, 2021 at 12:41 pm

      • Odds depend on location of clot

        Whats little known by the public is that the blood clot deaths attributed to astrazeneca were blot clots to the brain where as covid caused blood clots in areas such as the lungs, etc. To date and im still searching but i haven’t been able to find cases of covid causing clots on the brain.

        So the “more chance of clots through covid” is somewhat misleading when its research premise was originally based on the clots caused by astrazeneca which were as i said, blood clots on the brain.

        So the question really needing an answer is “does the covid infection cause more blood clots on the brain than astrazeneca” ?

        Anyone vaccinated with this particular vaccine have a right to know.


        September 13, 2021 at 7:09 am

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