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Cut to Universal Credit Payments Still on the Cards.

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Let’s Not Forget that not everybody. those on Legacy Benefits for example, Got the £20.

DWP could cut Universal Credit when lockdown ends in less than a month

Lockdown restrictions were due to end on June 21 but were delayed by four weeks to July 19

Universal Credit and Tax Credit claimants say £20 cut to ‘vital lifeline’ leaving them struggling to sleep

Daily Record’

Almost half (46%) of adults in households on Universal Credit or Tax Credits are worried that the upcoming £20 cut will affect their ability to afford food.

This is according to national poverty charity Turn2us who added that some families were suffering from anxiety, stress, depression and loss of sleep.

Almost half (46%) of adults in households on Universal Credit or Tax Credits are worried that the upcoming £20 cut will affect their ability to afford food, according to national poverty charity Turn2us.

The release of the research marks the start of a three month countdown to the cut, when Universal Credit claimants will lose £20 a week from their benefits. The September removal of this vital lifeline could see half a million people, including 200,000 children, pulled into poverty overnight.

For the five million households on Universal Credit, and one million on working tax credits, the concerns are widespread; nearly one in two (44%) will struggle to pay bills, one in three (29%) don’t know if they will be able to continue pay their rent or mortgage, and one in five (20%) will not be able to stay out of debt.

The financial consequences of the cut are leading to a worsening mental health crisis for people relying on social security to survive:

  • 47% are experiencing anxiety about the cut
  • 32% are experiencing depression about the cut
  • 30% are experiencing loss of sleep about the cut
  • 46% are experiencing stress about the cut

Thomas Lawson, Chief Executive at Turn2us, said:

“A decade of caps, cuts and freezes to the UK’s social security payments has left it one of the least generous in Europe. Many of us already struggle to pay for the bare essentials. If the government forges ahead with its cut to Universal Credit, it could plunge many more into hunger and debt. It’s just not right that families are left unable to afford to put food on their tables and are having to turn to food banks so they and their children don’t go hungry.

“We urge the government to not just keep the £20 benefit increase, but to make it permanent and extend it to legacy benefits. Failure to do will have a detrimental impact on people’s lives and livelihoods – and their ability to contribute to our recovery.”

The charity is working in partnership with a coalition of other organisations and lived experts as part of the #KeepTheLifeline campaign. Previous findings from the campaign show that the vast majority of the British public (59%) want the uplift to be made permanent.

Written by Andrew Coates

July 1, 2021 at 5:19 pm

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  1. Disabled woman asks high court to declare DWP’s ‘immoral’ deductions scheme unlawful.

    A disabled woman left in “great distress” by an “immoral” Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) scheme – which allows it to take money from her benefits to pay off utility debts – is asking the high court to declare the practice unlawful.

    Helen Timson even had to cancel a cancer scan because she could not afford the taxi fare, thanks to the deductions.

    On other occasions, she has not been able to pay her rent.

    https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/disabled-woman-asks-high-court-to-declare-dwps-immoral-deductions-scheme-unlawful/

    superted

    July 1, 2021 at 6:06 pm

    • The DWP are worse than courts. If a fine is imposed you pay back what you can afford & that is discussed to a sensible amount. The DWP are the criminals. Also utility bills are never correct without reading the meters.

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      July 1, 2021 at 7:30 pm

  2. It will undoubtedly place greater pressure on the foodbanks, which are already struggling through the pandemic with donations down and volunteers isolating/shielding, and the local Council contributing staff and vehicles to help with deliveries too in the case of my local foodbank. Foodbanks across the country have been operating at near full capacity for quite some time just due to normal circumstances, namely the deliberate destruction of our Social Security system by the Tory scum, let alone the effects of the pandemic on top of that. There has never been a better time or a greater need for introducing an Unconditional Basic Income.

    trev

    July 1, 2021 at 6:27 pm

    • That’s exactly what the Tories won’t do Trev. They truly hate the idea of UBI, because it looks like paying people not to work.

      Jeff Smith

      July 1, 2021 at 7:38 pm

      • When in actual fact it’s paying people not to starve. If it weren’t for the foodbanks in effect hiding the full extent of the Tories’ policies on Society (by providing food to those in need) there would be riots, mass shoplifting or bodies in the streets. The fabric of Society is being held together, just, by Charities, whilst constantly eroded by the Tories.

        trev

        July 1, 2021 at 8:23 pm

  3. THE JSA have deducted money from my pension on two mths they have taken £483.00 I have had no notification this apparently goes back to 2009

    Dear Department for Work and Pensions,
    I have tried for over 40/50 hours in the last 4 week constantly to contact them, or anyone who will find out what is going on and nothing the JSA have never been in touch to inform me they were going to take such a large amount £483.00 in two months from my pension without giving ma a chance to respond, they have disregarded any guidelines and any rights I have. I would like to see documents and dates evidence of any items they have to justify this unlawful act of shear abuse of my rights. yours Stephen Paul Nixon

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_jsa_have_deducted_money_from#incoming-1822345

    did not think they could take money from any pension?

    superted

    July 1, 2021 at 7:01 pm

  4. pmsl 😉

    superted

    July 1, 2021 at 7:15 pm

    • @superted: It’s exactly this kind of thing that makes one think about bringing back National Service.

      Reverend Green

      July 1, 2021 at 7:41 pm

    • Playstation? There was no such thing when I was at school, no computers either! Truancy involved getting drunk in the park, or just watching b&w afternoon films on telly.

      trev

      July 1, 2021 at 8:35 pm

      • True but these games have been around a while.

        Space Invaders[b] is a 1978 shoot ’em up arcade game developed by Tomohiro Nishikado.

        The 1980 Atari VCS (Atari 2600) version was the first official licensing of an arcade game for consoles and became the first “killer app” for video game consoles after quadrupling the system’s sales.[5][66] It sold over two million units in its first year on sale as a home console game,[67] making it the first title to sell over a million cartridges.[68] The game went on to sell 2.5 million copies,[69] then over 4.2 million copies by the end of 1981, and a total of over 6 million by 1982; it was the best-selling Atari 2600 game up until the Atari version of Pac-Man (1982).[70]

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Invaders#Home_versions

        Andrew Coates

        July 1, 2021 at 9:11 pm

      • Yes I remember when my local pub at the time got a tabletop Space Invaders machine, probably late 79s, and it was quite a novelty.

        trev

        July 1, 2021 at 9:15 pm

      • When we was 15 we undid electric lighters so you just had the thin electric clicker bit that you could put in the electric slot for the arcade games like space invaders & click up credits & we would sell cheaper credits to people in the arcades. Of course we got banned from a lot of them once they got wise & we should not have been in there anyway being under 18 & were conning the arcades.

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        July 1, 2021 at 10:00 pm

      • i got banned from science class at school as the new science teacher got rid of all the rats that were are pets so we was all pissed.

        we used the Bunsen burner taps to make 5ft long flame throwers as just turned the tap on lite it and ran out the fire escape door did not like that pmsl.

        they was all removed after that and our explosion box we used was taken apart and no more bang bangs.

        so one day she went for a shit and left the door unlocked with all the good stuff so got the jar labeled sodium metal and proceeded to fill up the sink full of water and dumped the hole lot in the sink and every one bolted out the fire exit and fkn kaboom half the roof was on the floor as celling tiles and small fires all over the floor and set of the sprinkler system lmfao.

        i was never allowed in the science class again and had to go watch tv or ply mega drive for a hour instead fkn result 😉

        superted

        July 1, 2021 at 10:31 pm

      • We did that as well with the Bunsen burners as well as other things & we got a 3 year class detention which meant we could not sing on the Pink Floyd – You’re Just Another Brick In The Wall song & video. All the other classes in our year went on it. All the bad kids were put in our class with the teachers drinking whiskey from their desks in class. Hey Teacher Leave That Bottle Of Whisky Alone & The Kids.

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        July 2, 2021 at 7:57 am

  5. I think all the people that have had the £20 a week uplift should pay it all back unless the legacy benefits get their £20 a week back payments.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    July 1, 2021 at 7:35 pm

    • This comment has really upset me. I cannot fathom why exactly you want to punish others in similar circumstances.

      Blaming people who are on UC for a decision made by the ruling class is exactly the sort of attitude they want from you. What do you expect the people on UC have done? Said no thank you?

      I truly don’t understand why you would make a statement like that. Surely your aggression would be better targeted at those with power, not people who are just like you.

      BeefamDev

      July 2, 2021 at 9:26 pm

      • Divide and rule, though Stepping might have intended it as a joke? Either way, the amounts we get to live on is naff all compared to a MP’s salary or Rees Mogg’s investment portfolio or whatever Boris is trousering as PM, not to mention the amounts of dosh the Tories have bunged to their mates in corrupt Covid contracts, etc. Eat the Rich.

        trev

        July 3, 2021 at 5:48 pm

      • People that have just gone onto Universal Credit over the past few years moan, but they were not interested before, it is only when people get affected that they care. I don’t see people on Universal Credit demanding that legacy benefits get the £20 a week uplift.

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        July 3, 2021 at 7:45 pm

      • It’s called looking after number one.

        fred

        July 3, 2021 at 7:46 pm

      • People don’t give a flying monkeys unless something affects them. Do the legacy JSA claimants really thing UC claimants give a stuff about them? 😀

        fred

        July 3, 2021 at 7:49 pm

      • No its disability genocide by the DWP.

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        July 3, 2021 at 7:49 pm

      • The missus has just reminded me, she won a DAB radio on ‘Popmaster’ once, that the Boomtown wrote a tune called Looking After Number One. It even mentions the dole queue It goes like this:

        ♫The world owes me a living
        I’ve waited on this dole queue too long
        I’ve been standing in the rain for fifteen minutes
        That’s a quarter of an hour too long

        I’ll take all they can give me
        And then I’m gonna ask for more
        ‘Cause the money’s buried deep in the bank of England
        And I want the key to the vault

        I’m gonna take your money
        Count your loss when I’m gone
        I’m alright, Jack
        I’m lookin’ after number one

        If I want something, I get it
        Don’t matter what I have to do
        I’ll step on your face, on my mother’s grave
        Never underestimate me I’m nobody’s fool

        I don’t owe nobody nothing
        ‘Cause it’s me that must come through
        Why don’t you stop, think, look, babe
        I always get what I want and I wanna get you

        I’m gonna take your money
        Count your loss when I’m gone
        I’m alright, Jack
        I’m lookin’ after number one

        I don’t wanna be like you
        I don’t wanna live like you
        I don’t wanna talk like you, at all

        Number one

        Don’t give me love thy neighbour
        Don’t give me charity
        Don’t give me peace and love or the good lord above
        You only get in my way with your stupid ideas

        I am an island
        Entire of myself
        And when I get old, older than today
        I’ll never need anybody’s help in any way

        I’m gonna take your money
        Count your loss when I’m gone
        I’m alright, Jack
        I’m lookin’ after number one

        I don’t wanna be like you
        I don’t wanna live like you
        I don’t wanna talk like you, whoo, whoo

        I’m gonna be like, I’m gonna be like
        I’m gonna be like me♫

        fred

        July 3, 2021 at 7:59 pm

      • They also wrote “Mary of the 4th form”…ahem…wouldn’t happen now!

        trev

        July 3, 2021 at 8:19 pm

      • Boomtown Rats that should be 😉

        fred

        July 3, 2021 at 8:00 pm

    • I bet that whenever the JC/DWP introduce a new rule (say they have decided to stop benefit payments if your name is ‘trev’) the first thing you check on is whether or not it affects YOU.

      fred

      July 3, 2021 at 7:53 pm

      • fred you are not on the Welfare State. Of course one would check any changes to ones claim.

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        July 3, 2021 at 7:57 pm

    • Boris Johnson’s Lab Rats.

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      July 3, 2021 at 9:05 pm

      • On Tour Now.

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        July 3, 2021 at 9:05 pm

  6. The Tories really are going for broke here aren’t they ? Cutting the £20 from Universal Credit, and at the same time cutting the furlough scheme. This is purely designed to make the already meagre benefits impossible to survive on. And to provide a mass of potential cheap labour, that has no other option but to take any work that is available. Or ‘levelling up’ in Conservative-speak.

    Jeff Smith

    July 1, 2021 at 7:49 pm

    • Yep, whipping the working-class into line like they do with their foxhounds.

      George M

      July 2, 2021 at 3:56 pm

  7. superted

    July 1, 2021 at 8:31 pm

  8. 47% are experiencing anxiety about the cut
    32% are experiencing depression about the cut
    30% are experiencing loss of sleep about the cut
    46% are experiencing stress about the cut

    You forgot the

    35% committing suicide.
    That is to come.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    July 1, 2021 at 10:03 pm

  9. Rishi don’t cut the money,
    Keep it up whatever you do,
    And give £20 to the legacy claimants,
    Because of all they’ve been through.

    Remember your place in history,
    And think what others will say,
    Rishi the Generous Chancellor,
    Or the man who took £20 away ?

    So Rishi don’t cut the money,
    After all, what’s 20 quid ?
    Stop the Universal Credit cutback,
    You know you’ll be glad you did.

    Random Poet

    July 2, 2021 at 4:10 pm

    • @Random Poet – The Wordsworth of Welfare strikes again !!

      Jeff Smith

      July 4, 2021 at 2:59 pm

  10. Even Dominic Cummings tells the truth some of the time:

    “Boris Johnson’s new senior adviser and a key architect of Brexit gave his damning view on Conservative MPs at a conference in 2017, where he said: ‘People think, and by the way I think most people are right: “The Tory party is run by people who basically don’t care about people like me.” ‘That is what most people in the country have thought about the Tory party for decades. I know a lot of Tory MPs and I am sad to say the public is basically correct. Tory MPs largely do not care about these poorer people. They don’t care about the NHS. And the public has kind of cottoned on to that.'”

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/30/dominic-cummings-tories-do-not-care-about-poor-people-or-the-nhs

    If people didn’t know that before they’re going to darn well know it for sure very soon.

    Aleister

    July 2, 2021 at 7:33 pm

    • And still people vote for them, like turkeys voting for Christmas.

      trev

      July 2, 2021 at 8:53 pm

  11. Reblogged this on Tory Britain! .

    A6er

    July 2, 2021 at 7:41 pm

  12. superted

    July 2, 2021 at 10:15 pm

  13. Andrew Coates

    July 3, 2021 at 5:28 pm

    • Those infomous brown envelipes, now white ones!

      xclausx

      July 3, 2021 at 5:56 pm

    • I had a white envelope on Friday. It was the usual – Your claim for the Jobseeker’s Allowance, etc. informing me my JSA is now £74.7o a week and so on. I thought it might be my call-up papers for the Restart programme or advising me I was being moved onto UC.

      jj joop

      July 4, 2021 at 2:37 pm

      • @jj joop – They love this JJ, putting claimants through that bit of suspense. What’s in the letter, a summons to the Jobcentre ? A mandatory training course ? A mandatory referral to a mixed course of sadism and harrassment ? No, it’s just about benefit rates…….Phew !!

        Jeff Smith

        July 4, 2021 at 3:06 pm

  14. Wonder what happens when the furlough scheme ends and more people end up on looney credit

    my_final_username

    July 3, 2021 at 5:58 pm

    • By then the DWP will have stopped using white envelopes and will just send out flyers instead, inserted inside menus folded up in Lidl advertising literature. Just to fool claimants into getting Sanctioned by not responding in a timely manner to official communications.

      trev

      July 3, 2021 at 6:40 pm

    • The Brown Envelopes are putting people down in class, so a white one will be less demeaning for Furlough Tory Voters.

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      July 3, 2021 at 7:40 pm

  15. Masks and social distancing could stay for next 5 years in radical Covid winter plan

    https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/masks-social-distancing-could-stay-20953037

    superted

    July 3, 2021 at 10:00 pm

  16. Bit like a Codpiece really, in the olden days you didn’t have to wear one. But many people did.

    George M

    July 4, 2021 at 3:10 pm

  17. The DWP have still failed to do anything to address the genuine problem of ergophobia. In particular amongst long-term claimants.

    Jeff Smith

    July 4, 2021 at 3:12 pm

    • Work itself is the panacea for all ills, the less meaningful and lower paid the better.

      trev

      July 4, 2021 at 3:17 pm

  18. World’s largest ever four day week trial in Iceland ‘overwhelming success

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/four-day-week-pilot-iceland-b1877171.html

    Often debated, the trial proves productivity can be maintained and or in cases improved when we factor in the well being of employees.
    But in a society of increasing micromanagement theory/practice, low wages poorly trailing the cost of living and a welfare system coincidentally designed to pick up the financial slack of businesses at taxpayer expense, can this ever be implemented successfully ?

    Doug

    July 5, 2021 at 7:11 am

    • Incase anyones interested, that would mean a min wage around £11.14 an hour, a considerable hourly increase of £2.23 an hour

      In terms of productivity that’s 15mins extra productivity every hour over the 30 worked (not including breaks otherwise day would be 9 hrs), that’s 112.5 mins extra a day (1hr and 52.5 mins). In short, a 25% increase in productivity over 4 days.

      Doug

      July 5, 2021 at 7:43 am

  19. Boris Johnson is just like the DWP tactics in having no responsibility in the job they do. The blame game on people’s lives. Boris Johnson does not want the responsibility of being Prime Minister so he does not get the blame when things go wrong.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    July 5, 2021 at 11:18 am

  20. The Tories want to save money. How about means tested Child Benefit !! Oh no we can’t have that for richer people & people on good wages.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    July 5, 2021 at 11:20 am

  21. Six ex-DWP ministers back calls to keep £20 benefits rise after pandemic

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19418953.six-ex-dwp-ministers-back-calls-keep-20-benefits-rise-pandemic/

    superted

    July 5, 2021 at 12:21 pm

    • I wonder why none of them did anything about increasing Benefits when they were in office? Why now? A Political attack against Sunak perhaps? It’s not like these people are the sharing, caring types – IDS, McVey, Gauke, et al. Otherwise they would be protesting the denial of the “uplift” to legacy claimants.

      trev

      July 5, 2021 at 1:18 pm

    • They want to keep the £20 a week extra for Universal Credit so as not to lose Tory Votes.

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      July 5, 2021 at 2:34 pm

      • @Stepping Razor- I agree, it’s a massive cut to the money. And now people have got used to having the extra, it will be twice as bad when it is suddenly taken away. When you think of how many working-class Tory voters will be affected, this is a sure vote-loser.

        Jeff Smith

        July 5, 2021 at 5:25 pm

      • While it would go someway to address the years of shortfall in benefit amounts, this government is banking on a speedy return of industry and thus an improved economy to back his moves.

        I imagine those politicians backing the keep the £20 are like others more interested in not having to reintroduce it should covid figures go south this winter.

        Doug

        July 6, 2021 at 6:55 am

  22. Even the BBC is providing a platform for exposing the British governments CoV crime spree!

    https://stateofthenation.co/?p=72349

    Cloverleaf

    July 5, 2021 at 2:09 pm

  23. Matt Hancock’s PPE landlord buys £1.3m mansion.

    Cloverleaf

    July 5, 2021 at 2:30 pm

  24. The Tory Party know they have lost their voters now & they are trying to get them back. So Politics over Covid Health & Safety.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    July 5, 2021 at 2:36 pm

    • Certification Of Vaccination IDentification.

      Cloverleaf

      July 5, 2021 at 2:46 pm

  25. DWP Twitter

    July 5th 2021
    Claiming #UniversalCredit while working helped Samantha work part-time and her Work Coach helped her set up a yoga business.

    CONTRADICTION

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    July 5, 2021 at 2:40 pm

    • ALSO FRAUD

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      July 5, 2021 at 2:41 pm

  26. Cloverleaf

    July 5, 2021 at 2:59 pm

  27. What is the current ratio of Work Coaches, Case Managers, and Decision Makers to Universal Credit Claimants (nationally).

    DWP Response
    I can confirm that we do not hold the recorded information to respond to your request in the
    format in which you asked.
    However, we can inform you that as of May 2021 we had a total of 5,759 Case Managers
    supporting Universal Credit customers nationally, along with 1,053 Decision Makers.
    We also had 20,669 Universal Credit only Work Coaches supporting an Intensive Work
    Search (IWS) caseload of 2,258,129. The total number of Work Coaches for the same period
    (which includes non-UC activities) was 23,786.
    For the same period (May 2021), we had a total Universal Credit Caseload 6,010,269
    individuals.
    Please note that the supplied figures above are Ful Time Equivalent (FTE) and calculates
    the time spent by individuals doing that specific activity, therefore the actual overal
    contracted hours FTE or equivalent Staff in Post (SiP) figure is likely to be significantly
    higher.

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/what_is_the_current_ratio_of_wor_3#incoming-1826223

    superted

    July 5, 2021 at 5:30 pm

  28. Not paying the Legacy Claimants the same amount as Universal Credit claimants, is just straightforward discrimination. Just as you should get equal pay for equal work, so you should get equal benefit for equal unemployment.
    The Universal Credit claimants are not ‘more unemployed’ than those on legacy benefits. They are not some special, elite group of unemployed, more deserving than the rest. They haven’t agreed to vote Tory in exchange for an extra £20 a week.
    It is high time we had some genuine fairness on this issue. Pay the legacy claimants an equal rate. And stop trying to divert attention from this inequality, by claiming that people can claim Universal Credit.

    Jeff Smith

    July 5, 2021 at 5:43 pm

    • @Jeff

      Wasn’t someone taking the DWP to court to challenge the decision not to pay us legacy folk the uplift?

      jj joop

      July 5, 2021 at 6:55 pm

  29. DWP benefit claimants could be due £1,040 back payments in legal case over £20 weekly uplift

    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/lifestyle/money/dwp-benefits-could-get-backpayments-24462212

    when i signed on the first thing they said is id be better of on uc, i said no i wont because i wont get a penny for 5 weeks at best and if the government lose that case ill be another 1000 quid down so no thanks lol.

    the real reason ppl on jsa ect never got the 20 quid was because they used uc as a bribe to end legacy benefits and to lose the migration payment protection.

    superted

    July 5, 2021 at 7:08 pm

    • Don’t forget all these 6 Ex DWP Ministers were all sacked.

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      July 5, 2021 at 9:21 pm

      • IDS actually resigned when George Osborne wouldn’t give him enough money to implement universal credit the way he wanted to.

        Aleister

        July 6, 2021 at 8:50 am

    • HM Gov will say they can’t afford it. Despite losing 48 billion bleedin’ quid in fraudulent bounce-back loans.
      £50,000 per loan and many have made multiple claims. Then there are all the bleedin’ furlough scams going on. And don’t forget the billion lost to fake universal credit claims the past year. £1040 is chicken feed. HM Gov can well afford to give JSA claimants their due.

      fred

      July 5, 2021 at 10:56 pm

    • Aren’t all ex-Ministers never mind bleedin’ DWP ones sacked? Do any walk off the job?

      fred

      July 5, 2021 at 11:00 pm

    • It is like have you ever heard of an ex-football manager who wasn’t sacked? 😀

      fred

      July 5, 2021 at 11:02 pm

    • But if this uc ‘uplift’ became permanent and JSA remained £20 short it would be a no brainer to jump ship to UC? And how long is temporary before it becomes long-term unemployment? It is like no one ever leaves benefits 😀 Like there is no churn. The jokecentre keep telling me that most claimants are off benefits in less than 6 months 😀 A load of bleedin’ old cobblers if you ask me.

      fred

      July 5, 2021 at 11:14 pm

    • This government is all about assumed consent and opting out.

      They dont want to be seen as the party to put the legacy claimants out on the street as so to speak so is it any surprise they moved to make the £20 a carrot.
      It would be unconscionable for any court to find any ground in the two benefits systems being separate things. I here government/DWP will argue that legacy couldn’t/cant be adapted to adopt any increase.
      I suppose we shall see in time how court rules but dont be surprised if ditching the extra £20 for UC leads to government retrospectively quashing any back payments towards legacy claimants.

      Doug

      July 6, 2021 at 7:14 am

    • @superted- Very true, they hoped people would voluntarily transfer to Universal Credit. But the 5 week wait, the extra conditionality, and the risk of being sent to some bastard provider, put people off.

      Jeff Smith

      July 6, 2021 at 11:48 am

  30. Andrew Coates

    July 5, 2021 at 8:00 pm

    • But you notice they completely ignore the legacy benefit claimants ?

      George M

      July 6, 2021 at 12:43 pm

      • That’s because they don’t give a bleedin’ stuff about legacy benefit claimants!

        fred

        July 6, 2021 at 7:37 pm

  31. The England cricket team have gone down with Covid !

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/57732043

    And Starmer says it’s reckless to end all restrictions at once.

    trev

    July 6, 2021 at 8:47 am

    • Unions say workers at risk if facemask rules dropped

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57701777

      trev

      July 6, 2021 at 8:55 am

      • I have to agree with this one provided it does not get perverted into a vice as a result of instigating people who have full vaccination dont have to.

        Doug

        July 6, 2021 at 11:37 am

    • If covid piggybacks flu and colds then its quite possible a spike will resurface. Probably a bigger problem though is mutation as this virus has proven to be clever and is making for some odd results in the data.
      That said though the data shows currently that less people are ending up in hospital and or dying.

      Regardless of this though a significant rise in people being ill at home with the virus after testing positive and or quarantined could spell trouble for the economy. Figures matched with this time last year see’s a 27.5% increase which if seen with our worst figure todate could see a third maybe more of people in work out of action.

      Well Boris seems hellbent to move forward with the date so im sure we will all find out soon enough if this was a wise move.

      Doug

      July 6, 2021 at 11:35 am

  32. Political High Risk Gambling – Covid is not a political issue let alone a political gamble because the Tories have already lost their voters.

    The Tories have put back everything by 5 years in the gamble. You lost & more people die including young people.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    July 6, 2021 at 10:17 am

  33. When Tory Ministers says they resign they do that before they are sacked so they still get a pension.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    July 6, 2021 at 10:19 am

  34. It is July 6th 2021 Freedom Day today because people are not going to wait till July 19th.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    July 6, 2021 at 10:21 am

    • There is no freedom day in reality because Covid is here forever and it’s something we are going to have to live with. Personally I think they are lifting restrictions and safety measures far too soon, another year of lockdown measures would be better, until everyone is vaccinated. At the moment people are still being hospitalized with Covid.

      trev

      July 6, 2021 at 11:16 am

  35. Murders in the Supermarket Isles.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    July 6, 2021 at 10:21 am

  36. Gambling with the Fall Of Capitalism. The Fall Of Capitalism wins.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    July 6, 2021 at 10:23 am

  37. Oh well I’ve just had my Jobcentre phone call appointment and my next one is face-to-face in the Jobcentre in a fortnight’s time. I suppose all good things have to come to an end eventually but I’ve had a good run at it, must be nearly 18 months since I’ve been inside a jobcentre, or 16 months at least. I’m supposed to be receiving a letter to confirm the appointment.

    trev

    July 6, 2021 at 11:10 am

    • @trev

      I wouldn’t worry about it too much. I will be having my third face-to-face appointment tomorrow. If my experience is anything to go by, your appointment will last less than five minutes. Let us know how you get on.

      jj joop

      July 6, 2021 at 11:38 am

    • @trev- Don’t forget mask, rubber gloves, and some sort of disinfectant spray for the Work Coach.
      I would also take a stopwatch, and set it, to point out that you haven’t got all day. You know this of course, but they can only ask for details of your Jobsearch for the last 2 weeks. So no need to print out every job from the last 18 months.

      Jeff Smith

      July 6, 2021 at 11:53 am

      • you dont need a face mask or gloves just say you are exempt and can walk straight in as none of the staff are wearing them where i go anyway.

        the g4s staff have masks and the 1 cleaner i seen but none of the dwp staff are not wearing them and just the screen on there desks and not many of them either.

        superted

        July 6, 2021 at 12:53 pm

      • I will definitely be wearing a mask! I always carry at least one mask with me everywhere I go.

        trev

        July 6, 2021 at 2:16 pm

      • What next photo ID wearing a mask.

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        July 6, 2021 at 5:16 pm

      • Yeah well trev, some people need to hide their face :D, not so if you are a pair of lookers like me and the missus 😀

        fred

        July 6, 2021 at 7:35 pm

  38. Retired people could see a bumper rise in the state pension next year, according to official forecasters.

    Predictions suggest that the link with earnings growth could mean an 8% rise in the amount paid from April 2022. But will jobseekers receive a similar rise? Not bleedin’ likely I tell ya! 😀

    That would cost the government £3bn more than previously expected, according to the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR).

    But UK state pensions remain less generous than much of Europe, and are vital for millions of people.

    At present:

    The new flat-rate state pension (for those who reached state pension age after April 2016) is £179.60 a week.

    The old basic state pension (for those who reached state pension age before April 2016) is £137.60 a week
    The rise in pensions each year is one of the most hotly-debated policy decisions for the government and the Treasury.

    It is governed by what is known as the triple lock – a Conservative manifesto promise until at least 2024.

    This means the state pension increases in line with the rising cost of living seen in the Consumer Prices Index (CPI) measure of inflation, increasing average wages, or 2.5%, whichever of those three is highest.

    Extra £3bn cost

    Near the end of each year, the government sets the level of state pension to be paid from the following April. It makes the judgement based on data from the Office for National Statistics.

    The most relevant for the next rise in state pension will be the highest of the three elements of the triple lock, which is likely to be the increasing level of average wages.

    Public finances at risk after Covid, says watchdog
    The OBR is the government’s official, but independent, forecaster. Late last year, and early this year, it predicted wages would rise by 4.6%.

    Now, it is expecting the increase to be higher. The Bank of England has suggested it could be an 8% rise.

    “If earnings growth… were 8%, that would add around £3bn a year to spending [on the state pension] relative to our forecast,” the OBR said in its Fiscal Risks Report.

    So the cost to the taxpayer would be £3bn more than what was already predicted to be a significant rise. The effect continues into subsequent years.

    However, that does not mean all pensioners are going to be laughing all the way to the bank.

    The UK state pension is one of the less generous in Europe.

    Former pensions minister Sir Steve Webb said it was still “far from a King’s ransom”.

    In addition, lots of low-paid workers have lost their jobs during the pandemic, the OBR points out. The effect of that trend is that it skews the comparison of wages, meaning that average wages are driven by higher paid workers and rising faster.

    That means the people who are losing their jobs now, are the very same people who are more likely to rely on the state pension in the future. They will not have built up additional private or workplace pensions.

    ‘Security’ for pensioners

    When asked in October whether the triple lock was safe, Chancellor Rishi Sunak said: “Yes, our manifesto commitments are there and that is very much the legislative position.

    “We care very much about pensioners and making sure they have security and that’s indeed our policy.”

    The government does have an option in law to decide how the calculations are made. If the rise in average wages is considered to be an anomaly, then it could decide to break the link and give a smaller rise to pensioners.

    The age at which people receive the state pension has been increasing as people live longer. It is currently 66 for men and women, and the government has plans for the increase to 68 to be brought forward.

    Read all about it: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57734805

    fred

    July 6, 2021 at 1:06 pm

  39. 4 day work week? Trials coming to UK after Iceland success.

    Cloverleaf

    July 6, 2021 at 1:53 pm

  40. COVID-19 loan fraud and error will cost UK taxpayers tens of billions

    The report states that between 35% and 60% which is equivalent to £16bn to £27bn, of loans issued through the bounce back loan scheme, which totalled £46.5bn may never be repaid due to fraud or credit risks.

    The report also covered fraud within universal credit, as between April 2020 and March 2021, fraud within Universal Credit rose to an all-time high of 14.5% or £5.5bn. This rise was around £3.8bn.

    https://www.thesouthafrican.com/news/finance/covid-19-loan-fraud-and-error-will-cost-uk-taxpayers-tens-of-billions/

    superted

    July 6, 2021 at 2:29 pm

    • The total cost of Universal Credit was meant to be £12bn.

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      July 6, 2021 at 5:14 pm

      • More like £120bn & rising.

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        July 6, 2021 at 5:15 pm

  41. This Guardian article claims that Therese Coffey’s “view” is that the £20 uplift to Universal Credit should be made permanent. If that’s correct I’ve seen nothing she has said or written suggesting it. In fact everything I’ve seen reported that Coffey has said hint at the opposite, i.e., that reducing benefits help people into work.

    How weird.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jul/06/the-guardian-view-on-universal-credit-the-penny-pinchers-are-wrong

    Aleister

    July 6, 2021 at 6:29 pm

    • The minute this uplift becomes permanent (with no corresponding increase to ‘no longer supported’ legacy benefits you can expect an avalanche of new uc claims from the millions of remaining laggards on jsa and other legacy benefits. You would to be bleedin’ bonkers to throw away over a grand every year. Even if the jokecentre sanctioned you £1040 a year you wouldn’t be any worse off 🙂 If this really is a permanent increase how long can that fat ugly slob Coffee go on pretending it is temporary? It is like how long is a piece of string? Are we going to be here in a hundred years time still ‘aving a rolling six-month extension to a temporary uplift? Not bleedin’ likely – we will all be pushing up daises by then 😀

      fred

      July 6, 2021 at 7:28 pm

  42. Job Centres will be closing down again on Aug 1st 2021. the High Risk Gamble on Covid has been lost & did not last 1 day.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    July 6, 2021 at 7:48 pm

    • Job Centre staff will be on strike by mid August 2021.

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      July 6, 2021 at 7:49 pm

  43. COVID-19 Outbreaks and Case Rates at DWP, Job Centres

    Dear Department for Work and Pensions,

    I have recently attended a job centre in Cwmbran, (42 Gwent Square, Cwmbran, NP44 1PL) and was astounded by the unsafe atmosphere in the centre.
    Windows were not open, and cleaning procedures seemed minimal while they were not enforcing face covering requirements. I was recently tested positive and told the job centre this after I visited the office and was told that the job centre will remain open. As a result I am concerned with the safety of your environments across the board.

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/covid_19_outbreaks_and_case_rate#incoming-1827994

    superted

    July 6, 2021 at 7:49 pm

    • Boris Johnson & The Labs Rats on tour.

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      July 6, 2021 at 7:50 pm

  44. Boris is taking the whole country down with him. Now do what Boris says Tory MP’s.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    July 6, 2021 at 7:51 pm

  45. Just posted on BBC News 15 mins ago…

    “Covid: Universal Credit £20 top up to be phased out”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57748815

    Not sure what they mean by “phased out”. That implies withdrawal in gradual stages.

    trev

    July 7, 2021 at 10:12 am

    • You should be bleedin’ well thankful, trev cos you and the rest of the JSA laggards won’t be seeing and extra penny of this extra dosh. The thing is the more dosh that is sloshing around in people’s pockets the more prices rise. I really don’t understand why you want to see other people having more money in their pockets, maybe you have never been rolling in dosh, like me and the missus half 😀 You are always banging the drum for uc claimants and even people who are already over-paid like doctors, nurses, the bleedin’ filth etc. You don’t seem to grasp that you are only making yourself worse off 😀 Back in the day me and the missus used to fill our trolley with avocados, pomegranates, blueberries, as well as fags and booze 😀 Now we baulk at the thought of ‘aving to pony up two bleedin’ quid for an avocado 😀 You are seeing things through the eyes of someone who has never been rolling in dosh 😀 If only you had lived life like me and the missus used to, enormous house, driveway full of gas-guzzlers, fancy holidays, the lot, you wouldn’t be crying over uc claimants losing 20 bleedin’ nicker you never got a sniff at in the first place.

      fred

      July 7, 2021 at 11:15 am

      • That’s very presumptive of you Fred, how do you know what I have or haven’t had in the past? You know nothing of my life 😉

        trev

        July 7, 2021 at 11:21 am

    • “phased out” means to reduce it to sod all over a month 😀

      fred

      July 7, 2021 at 11:19 am

      • Then it’s being ended not “phased out”.

        trev

        July 7, 2021 at 11:24 am

      • It could mean that they are going to cut it down to sod all in one fell swoop come September for single and couple uc claimants and and ‘taper’ it down to sod all for single parents/couple with children that way the fat, ugly slob Coffee couldn’t be accused of taking food from starving kiddies mouths. Say like 10 nicker a week for a couple of months and 5 nicker a week for another 4 months, though I don’t think the DWP computer systems could handle a ‘phasing out’ since it was too complicated for them to give jsa claimants and extra bleedin’ 20 nicker a week 😀 Anyway, I am only guessing, you would be better to ask Coffee when you next hook up for a cigar and whisky, and whatever else you two get up to, but hey. that’s me being presumptuous
        – blimey, that’s a bleedin’ big word for an ordinary working-class geezer – again 😀

        fred

        July 7, 2021 at 11:43 am

      • A dicky bird has told me that the fat, ugly slob Coffee will be writing a bleedin’ don’t-tell-me-I-didn’t-warn-you letter to all affected uc claimants. That will be phase one complete then, phase two will be the benefit cut in September 😀 That is what the DWP will mean by “phasing out” 😀

        fred

        July 7, 2021 at 12:07 pm

      • It is interesting that the papers are talking about ‘relative’ poverty meaning like they will have less money than other people who are better but still be able to afford an occasional avocado, ‘absolute’ poverty would mean that you could never afford a bleedin’ avocado. At least that’s what I think it means. It always means that to avoid relative poverty we would all have to be on exactly the same income like some bleedin’ Commie country 😀 The papers are bleedin’ crafty the way the play with words to decieve, I’ll give then that 😀

        fred

        July 7, 2021 at 12:15 pm

      • You can buy frozen avocado chunks in Aldi now, they’re not an exclusively Middle Class food anymore.

        trev

        July 7, 2021 at 1:41 pm

      • ‘the uc cut will be responsible for plunging kids into relative poverty’ is what they are saying 😀 that’s when the missus got suspicious and wondered what this ‘relative poverty’ lark was all about. She is a very educated woman, my missus is 😀

        fred

        July 7, 2021 at 12:18 pm

    • @trev- Typical the way they try to wrap things up in their PR speak. You noticed how ‘phased out’ sounds so much better than ‘cut’ ? Just as if something is naturally coming to an end, that was never meant to be permanent. Sly bastards. And what hope now that the legacy benefits will get their £20 and back-pay ?

      Jeff Smith

      July 7, 2021 at 2:37 pm

      • I don’t think we stand much chance of getting the back-pay they owe us, even with a High Court Ruling this corrupt Tory government will do what they want regardless of the law, we are living under a Tory Dictatorship.

        trev

        July 7, 2021 at 2:55 pm

  46. The original full cost of the full roll out of Universal Credit was meant to be £12bn that has now gone above £120bn & Universal Credit is still far away from its full roll out. A lot of the money has gone on DWP Lawyers which keep falling by the wayside in losing more & more court cases & tribunal as well as Human Rights Abuses. Can the DWP keep within a £500bn cost for Universal Credit’s full roll out. Let’s take a political gamble with Human Rights & Covid.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    July 7, 2021 at 3:02 pm

  47. “Quite a long time” to get back to normal says Chris Whitty.

    Cloverleaf

    July 7, 2021 at 3:07 pm

  48. The Tories think that unless they cut the £20 from Universal Credit, people won’t want to take the stressful, low-paid jobs in the zero-hour workplace. Because that’s all that is available. Expect the screws to be put to the UC claimants in order to drive them off benefits, and into the world of cleaning, burger-flipping and call-centres.

    Jeff Smith

    July 7, 2021 at 3:59 pm

  49. It’s going to end up with Foodbanks on every High Street. As a kind of alternative shop for people without money. Where is the ”levelling up” in all this ? Forcing people into work they don’t want to do. Slashing Universal Credit by 20 quid a week. And where the hell are Labour in all of this ? Why doesn’t Starmer do something about the 20 quid ?

    George M

    July 7, 2021 at 4:08 pm

    • The only thing I recall Starmer saying was about a year ago when he said he was not in favour of introducing a Basic Income, saying that in his opinion it was not the right time to do so, despite it actually being the ideal time to do so. And Labour have said they will scrap Universal Credit if they get elected. As for the £20 “uplift”, being temporary or permanent, being extended to legacy claimants or not, it’s anyone’s guess what his opinion or stance might be.

      trev

      July 7, 2021 at 4:21 pm


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