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Government Dismisses Work and Pensions Committee Report on Problems with Universal Credit.

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"It has taken the Government nearly two years to produce this wholly unconstructive response. That approach is symptomatic of the Government's dismissive attitude to well-evidenced concerns about flaws in UC."

Rt Hon Stephen Timms MP, Chair
Work and Pensions Committee

MPs have condemned the ‘dismissive’ response of ministers to concerns over Universal Credit, after the government took two years to respond to a damning report.

The Work and Pensions Committee has just published the government’s response to its 2019 report on the switch to the Universal Credit system for paying benefits. In it, the government rejects every substantive recommendation of the committee on how to improve the UC system to protect claimants.

Ministers once again refused to fix the five week wait for the first UC payment, and failed to provide details on the time it takes to make changes to the UC system.

The Government thanks the committee for its twenty-seventh Report of Session 2017–19, Universal Credit: Natural Migration.

The Universal Credit (UC) roll out was completed in December 2018. Parliament voted to make UC the social security system in the UK, and it is clear that legacy benefits will be stopped.

Natural migration to Universal Credit is required when a person needs to make a new claim for support because of a change of circumstances. It has always been the case that changes of circumstance can require claimants to make claims to a different benefit or have their current entitlement revised.

Claimants on legacy benefits can also choose to make a claim for Universal Credit. Claimants on legacy benefits considering making a claim for UC should check carefully their eligibility and entitlements under UC before applying, as legacy benefits will end when claimants submit their claim and they will not be able to return to them in the future. For this reason, prospective claimants are signposted to independent benefits calculators on GOV.UK. They can also get help through the government funded Help to Claim scheme via Citizens Advice and Citizens Advice Scotland. In Northern Ireland, the benefit system is entirely devolved and the Department for Communities is the responsible department in the Northern Ireland Executive.

UC covers in and out of work support and is fundamentally different from legacy benefits. Where there has been a change in circumstance, it is right that the claimant’s entitlement is calculated under the rules of UC, as is the case with all other new claims to it where the claimant had not previously been receiving any legacy benefit. The change in circumstance would affect the calculation of benefit and, therefore, a like-for-like comparison cannot be made between UC and legacy awards. Claimants who naturally migrate to UC may have the same level of entitlement as their previous legacy benefit entitlement, they may see a reduction in their entitlement, or, as the report acknowledges, they may see an increase in their entitlement.

In addition, UC provides more comprehensive support than the legacy benefits it replaces. Examples of this include more generous support for childcare, tailored support that helps claimants find work and a tapering system that incentivises work, as opposed to legacy benefits where some welfare payments ended almost immediately.

The Government has noted all of the Committee’s recommendations and responded to them in turn below.

Recommendation 1:

We recommend that the Department makes an ongoing payment to meet any shortfall in income for:

  • All households that lose out compared to the legacy system as a result of moving home outside of their local authority; and
  • These should include back-payments where claimants in these circumstances have already moved to UC and lost out as a result. (Paragraph 23)

The Government does not accept this recommendation.

All of the changes of circumstance that prompt a natural migration to UC, including moving to a new home in a different Local Authority area, are changes that would have resulted in a new claim for a legacy benefit. We think it is right that a claimant’s entitlement is reassessed when a significant change has happened. Although the report states that ‘witnesses raised concerns that some of the many changes which can lead to a natural migration might not seem significant to many people’,1 the reason that the change is deemed to be significant is that the change has a material effect on a claimant’s benefit entitlement.

Recommendation 2:

We recommend that the Government withdraws the draft Universal Credit (Managed Migration Pilot and Miscellaneous Amendments) Regulations 2019 and replaces them with:

  • An instrument subject to negative resolution, to make provision for people previously entitled to a severe disability premium; and
  • An instrument subject to affirmative resolution, with the provisions for the pilot of managed migration. (Paragraph 31)

Recommendation 3:

The Department should ensure that the provisions for people previously entitled to the SDP should take into account the High Court’s recent ruling and it should lay the regulations as soon as possible. (Paragraph 32)

The Government notes these recommendations, and took appropriate legislative action in July 2019.

The Government responded to the High Court’s ruling and laid regulations, allowing the Department to begin making the Severe Disability Premium (SDP) transitional payments, on 22 July 2019.2 Provisions in the regulations, which came into force on 24 July 2019, allowed the Department to start making the SDP transitional payments for former SDP recipients who had already moved to UC immediately. The first of these payments was made the day that the regulations came into force.

By September 2020, the Department had paid the SDP transitional payment to more than 16,000 claimants. The Department worked at pace to consider eligible claimants and make these vital payments as quickly as possible.

The removal of a provision relating to appeal rights for the issuing, extension and cancellation of a migration notice meant that the new regulations were no longer subject to affirmative resolution. The Government’s view is that this was not necessary for this clarifying provision during the pilot phase.

We did not separate the regulations as Recommendation 2 suggests because the SDP transitional payments are fundamentally part of the wider transitional protection framework, and are therefore an essential part of the regulations that introduced transitional protection for managed migration.

These SDP transitional payments were not calculated in the same way as those who receive transitional protection as part of the managed migration process. Former SDP recipients who are eligible for SDP transitional payments received a flat rate payment that broadly reflected their previous SDP entitlement. It would be untenable to introduce SDP transitional payments that cannot erode or cease, and so from 8th October 2020 these payments have been converted to a transitional SDP element and paid as part of an individual’s UC award. As a consequence, this element is now subject to the associated erosion and cessation rules.

The Universal Credit (Managed Migration Pilot and Miscellaneous Amendments) Regulations 2019 which were laid on 22 July 2019 set out the removal of the SDP gateway on 27 January 2021. From this date, those entitled to SDP as part of a qualifying legacy benefit are able to make a new claim to UC and can be awarded a transitional SDP element.

The rationale of transitional protection is that it is a temporary measure that allows claimants who are moved by the Department from one benefit to another to adjust to the new benefit rules, but it is not intended to carry on ad infinitum. It should erode and cease in order that claimants who move to UC with transitional protection eventually gain parity with new claimants, who are subject to the benefit rules and rates from the beginning.

Recommendation 4:

We recommend that the Department makes an ongoing payment to meet any shortfall in income for all households with any level of disability, including children with disabilities, who lose out when they move to UC. This should include making back-payments to claimants in these circumstances who have already moved to UC and lost out as a result. (Paragraph 39)

The Government recognises the issues the committee raises but does not accept this recommendation.

The Government is committed to supporting those with disabilities through UC and has focused support for those with the greatest need.

From 24 July 2019, claimants who were entitled to the SDP have been considered for backdated payments covering the period since they moved to UC, as well as an ongoing transitional payment.

The Enhanced Disability Premium (EDP) is a different premium with different qualifying conditions. Although it is not replicated in UC, EDP-only recipients are likely to gain when they migrate to UC as the ‘Limited Capability for Work Related Activity’ rate (LCWRA) is more generous than the ESA Support Group rate.

There are currently two different rates of disabled child addition (DCA) available in UC, payable depending on the level of Disability Living Allowance to which the child is entitled. This has been the design from the outset, which the Department believes strikes the right balance to help meet the varying financial needs placed upon families with disabled children. Also, whilst simplifying the provisions in the system, the Government took the opportunity to refocus vital resources on the most severely disabled children and adults as well as extending the eligibility for the higher rate of DCA to children who are certified blind.

Recommendation 5:

We recommend that the Department should allow people on legacy benefits to remain on legacy benefits for a grace period of one year after the death of their partner, so that they do not need to immediately apply for UC. (Paragraph 44) When claimants move to UC because of the death of their partner, the Department should provide them with transitional protection for their housing element for twelve months, as was the case in the legacy system(Paragraph 46)

The Government does not accept this recommendation.

The Government understands how difficult the death of a partner can be. As the Committee has highlighted, a claimant may have to make a new UC claim when their partner dies in order to secure their entitlement as a single person.

It is important to note that that the death of a partner does not always mean a claimant will have to make a new claim to UC and, if UC did not exist, a claimant with the same circumstances may still have had to make a new claim to one or more of the legacy benefits that UC replaces as well. The fact that a single claim to UC can now be made simplifies the process of claiming support, thus reducing the burden on the claimant during this difficult period.

The report mentions the protection available for housing costs under UC in the event of a bereavement is ‘only available for 3 months’, rather than the 12 months under Housing Benefit.3 It is important to understand that the 3-month protection is not limited to the housing element only, but covers every other additional payment that the couple received; the entire amount runs on for 3 months. This includes any elements to which only the deceased partner was solely entitled. Depending on a claimant’s circumstances, this support is potentially far more generous than 12 months of Housing Benefit alone. In all cases, it focuses support to the 3 months immediately following a bereavement, which are likely to be the most difficult for the claimant.

In addition, the bereavement run-on in UC not only covers the death of a partner, but also where a child or a cared for person dies. In these situations, it is more generous than legacy benefits—it lasts for longer than the 8 weeks available in some legacy benefits, covers every benefit payment being received and eligibility has also been extended to cover the death of non-dependants.

As regards claimants with housing costs, since 2011 the government has provided over £1 billion in Discretionary Housing Payments (DHP) to local authorities in England and Wales to help support vulnerable people affected by welfare reforms. DHPs can be paid to those entitled to Housing Benefit or the housing element of UC who face a shortfall in meeting their housing costs.

There is no limit to the length of time over which a DHP award may be made. It may be awarded for a short period to give a claimant time to deal with their financial circumstances or for an indefinite period until their circumstances change. The start and end dates are decided by local authorities on a case-by-case basis.

Recommendation 6:

We recommend that the Department should look at practical options to eliminate the five-week wait. This could, for example, involve the Department making advance payments to claimants non-repayable. It could adjust for any differences in the estimate on which a claimant’s advance is calculated and the calculation of their final award through additions or deductions to the claimant’s future UC payments. (Paragraph 55)

Recommendation 7:

In the meantime, while the five-week wait remains, we recommend that the Department bring the run-on of all legacy benefits forward to Autumn 2019, so that people moving now through natural migration and those moving later have the same amount of help while they wait for their first UC payment. If the Department cannot automate this process in time, it could for example:

  • calculate these amounts manually; or
  • achieve a similar result by reducing the proportion of an advance that claimants who naturally migrate have to pay back to the Department. (Paragraph 56)

The Government does not accept these recommendations.

Nobody has to wait for a payment in UC. Advance payments are available to claimants in need of urgent financial help to support them through to their first Universal Credit payment. Previously, claimants who required an advance had their UC award spread across thirteen payments in a year rather than twelve. As announced in the Spring Budget, we have now given claimants additional flexibility by providing the option to spread twenty-five payments over twenty-four months for New Claim or Benefit Transfer Advances issued from 12 April 2021. For claimants who find themselves in unexpected hardship, the impact of taking an advance on the spreading of UC payments can be deferred for up to 3 months.

In addition, in July 2020, the Department successfully introduced a non-repayable two-week run-on for Jobseeker’s Allowance (Income Based), Employment and Support Allowance (Income Related) and Income Support where a UC claim stops the award. This is in addition to the Transition to UC Housing Payment, a non-repayable two-week extension of Housing Benefit where a UC claim stops the award.

Recommendation 8:

We also recommend that the Department provide the Committee with a list of the policy changes in the Department’s development schedule. This should also include:

  • a timeframe for the completion of each change;
  • the number of hours work each change is expected to take; and
  • a time-frame and the number of hours’ work involved in implementing the system changes required for the benefit run-ons. (Paragraph 57)

The Government in part accepts this recommendation.

The policy changes in the programme’s development schedule are ones that have been announced via fiscal events, spending reviews or other separate announcements. The Department will update the Committee when policy changes have been incorporated into the UC service and are fully live.

It is not possible to provide the Committee with a breakdown of timeframe and man hours for specific changes, as no change to the UC service is implemented in isolation. As noted in the then Secretary of State’s letter to the Committee dated 31 January 2019, the Department utilises an iterative agile development process to develop the UC service. This ongoing process is not time-limited and means the service—and each policy change within it—is being continuously developed. Once a change is introduced, it then requires constant refresh and update when subsequent changes are made.

Recommendation 9:

We recommend that the Department should tell claimants about natural migration as part of its ongoing communications about UC. This should include stating explicitly that some people may lose out financially as a result of a move to UC. This information should be added to the UC claim homepage along with a link to the benefit calculation websites such as entitled to and the Citizens Advice website. The Department should signpost claimants to organisations able to give accurate independent advice. It could for example, include this in the Citizens Advice “Help to Claim” offer, which provides help to claimants with aspects of making a claim through to first payment. However, it must ensure this is adequately funded. (Paragraph 75)

Recommendation 10:

We recommend that the Department work with stakeholders to develop clearer and comprehensive guidance on when claimants need to move to UC and how this can affect different claimant groups. It should make this guidance publicly available. In addition, the Department should publish a comprehensive list of the changes in a claimant’s circumstances which could lead to them needing to claim UC. (Paragraph 77)

The Government does not accept these recommendations.

Neither this Department nor HMRC can advise individual claimants whether they would be better off moving to UC or remaining on legacy benefits. While Natural migration to UC is required when a person needs to claim new support because of a change of circumstances, claimants on legacy benefits can voluntarily make a claim for UC if they believe that they will be better off even if there is no change in circumstances. Parliament has voted to bring an end to legacy benefits in Great Britain and move to UC as its benefits system, so it is not appropriate for claimants to pick and choose between UC and parts of the legacy benefits system.

The Department encourages claimants thinking of claiming UC to read the information about it available on GOV.UK and to use the links to independent benefit calculators to check carefully their eligibility.

Once a claimant has made a claim to UC, the Department will inform them at the earliest opportunity the level of financial support they are expected to receive. We will continue to review and update our guidance to ensure this is the case and also that we outline all additional discretionary support that may be available.

The Department regularly updates gov.uk pages, including the publication of the “understandinguniversalcredit4 microsite. This information was also supported by already published signposts to independent benefit calculators so that prospective claimants could find out about potential entitlement, and information about the government-funded Help to Claim service provided by Citizens Advice and Citizens Advice Scotland on the “How to claim UC: step by step” page on gov.uk.

Particularly during the course of the pandemic, the Department has also used the DWP Twitter and Facebook channels to share messages with citizens, and also used paid media to ensure we reached millions of people.

The Department has also added a ‘check-through’ box that must be navigated through before beginning an online UC claim. This is intended to ensure that the claimant understands that legacy benefit payments will end and that they will not be able to return to them in the future, even if the claimant is not entitled to UC.

Recommendation 11:

We recommend that the Government review these triggers for natural migration and consider whether it is appropriate that these changes of circumstance should require a new claim for Universal Credit. If it believes that they are appropriate, it should clearly explain why. (Paragraph 79)

The Government does not accept this recommendation.

The triggers for natural migration are the same as those circumstances that would have required a new claim to be made for a legacy benefit. Parliament has voted to make UC the social security system in the UK replacing the legacy benefits. Claiming UC instead is therefore in line with the decisions Parliament has made.

Recommendation 12:

We recommend that the Department provides full compensation to all claimants who have lost out financially because they have moved to UC prematurely, despite their circumstances remaining the same. This could be done separately from the Department’s maladministration process. Payments should compensate for the additional amount they were previously receiving in the legacy system and should apply regardless of whether the move is a result of the claimant’s own misunderstanding or mis-advice from DWP staff or other organisations. (Paragraph 84)

The Government does not accept this recommendation. The existing maladministration process is sufficient.

Where a claimant suffers a loss of statutory benefit entitlement solely due to the Department’s maladministration or service failure, and it is not possible to restore the lost benefit entitlement, the Department can already make special payments of the equivalent amount to restore the claimant to the position they would have been in without our maladministration.

Providing special payments in circumstances where the Department is not at fault would not be a responsible use of taxpayer funds.

Recommendation 13:

We recommend that the Department allows claimants who have an ongoing legacy benefit appeal to remain on legacy benefits until their application has been processed, where the legacy benefit allows them to receive money they would be entitled to under JSA. For instance, claimants awaiting an ESA appeal decision should be able to remain on the assessment phase of ESA. Where this is not possible, the Department should pay claimants who win their appeal transitional payments, which should equate to the difference between their entitlement under UC and the amount they would have received in legacy benefits had the Department not made the wrong decision. (Paragraph 90)

The Department does not accept that claimants who have an ongoing legacy benefit appeal should be able to remain on legacy benefits until their application [to appeal] has been processed.

When a claimant has their entitlement to a legacy benefit that UC replaces terminated, it is important that they apply for UC to continue receiving support from the benefit system. Allowing claimants to remain on legacy benefits would require legislative change and potentially leave claimants with repayable overpayments should a mandatory reconsideration and any subsequent appeal prove unsuccessful.

The Committee will be aware that the Universal Credit (Managed Migration Pilot and Miscellaneous Amendments) Regulations 2019 already provide transitional payments where a challenge to a legacy decision results in backdated entitlement to a Severe Disability Premium.

The Department is considering its response to the judgment, R (on the application of TD and others) (AP) (Respondents) v Secretary of State for Work and Pensions (Appellant) UKSC 2020/0119. The Department will communicate further details in due course.

Recommendation 14:

The Department should review whether all changes in circumstances should trigger EEA nationals to re-take a right to reside test. Where claimants have failed a right to reside test, it should provide clear reasons why this is the case. (Paragraph 97)

The Government does not accept this recommendation.

All claimants, regardless of nationality, must demonstrate that they are both legally and habitually resident in the UK in order to access income-related benefits such as UC. The Department assesses this through the Habitual Residence Test (HRT), which has two elements: a legal right to reside test and an objective assessment of factual evidence of habitual residence.

UK and Irish citizens and non-UK nationals who are granted indefinite leave to remain can access UC regardless of whether they are in work or out of work. Under UK immigration law, EEA nationals are not able to access UC until they are exercising an EU Treaty right, e.g., worker or self-employed status, or have been resident in the UK for 5 years and granted settled status (indefinite leave to remain) by the Home Office.

EEA nationals are advised to regularise their immigration status under the EU Settlement Scheme. Those who have lived in the UK for at least 5 years will usually be granted settled status by the Home Office. EEA nationals with settled status will satisfy the HRT and are eligible to access UC once they have demonstrated habitual residence in the UK, on the same basis as comparable UK nationals.

The existing rules will apply for EEA nationals with less than 5 years’ residence. EEA nationals with pre-settled status have the same access to benefits as they did prior to the introduction of the EU Settlement Scheme (EUSS). They will satisfy the right to reside element of the HRT and can access benefits if they are exercising a qualifying right to reside, such as a worker or self-employed person, and are habitually resident in the UK.

Recommendation 15:

We also recommend that the Department should conduct a review of its data retention policies. This should look specifically at the impact its policies have on EEA nationals who it has previously assessed as having the right to reside in the UK. It should cease destroying records, where doing so could negatively impact claimants. (Paragraph 98)

The Government does not accept this recommendation.

All claimants, regardless of nationality, must demonstrate that they

a)have a qualifying legal right to reside, and

b)are habitually resident in Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Certain categories of claimant, including refugees and EEA “workers” and their family members, are automatically treated as satisfying the HRT.

Whether a claimant meets the necessary conditions to satisfy the HRT is not fixed forever and may change after a claim has been initially determined. Therefore, to protect taxpayer funds, the Government believes it is right that the Department reviews entitlement when a change of circumstances occurs and the onus is on claimants to demonstrate that they meet the HRT and report all changes in their immigration status. In return, eligible claimants receive the same level of support afforded to UK citizens for as long as their circumstances remain the same.

Should an EEA national fail the HRT, they may choose to start exercising an EU Treaty Right, e.g., worker or self-employed status in order to access UC. Alternatively, and for claimants of any other nationality, they can request a written explanation giving the reasons for the decision, and a Mandatory Reconsideration (MR) if they do not agree with the decision. If claimants do not agree with the subsequent MR decision, they can appeal to an independent tribunal.

The Department regularly reviews data retention policies and its current policies are set with the requirements of General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) firmly in mind. In practice, this means that the Department does not retain personal information for any longer than there is a business need to do so. As a claimant’s right to reside can be fluid, it is the Government’s view that keeping such information indefinitely is unnecessary and may not be compliant with GDPR.

In March 2019, the Government introduced a settlement scheme for all EEA nationals. EEA nationals who are not exercising a qualifying right to reside are advised to regularise their immigration status under the EU Settlement Scheme. Those who have lived in the UK for at least 5 years will usually be granted settled status by the Home Office and, therefore, have full access to UC. This will remove any ongoing queries about a claimant’s immigration status and make it much easier for claimants to demonstrate their right to reside should they be asked to do so.

Recommendation 16:

We recommend that the Department explore ways to make the carry-over of WCA decisions from legacy benefits to UC a more automated process, to reduce the risk of human error. If this is not possible, the Department should provide the Committee with quarterly reports on the number of cases where this is not happening on time so that we can continue to monitor the issue. (Paragraph 107)

The Government does not accept this recommendation.

Whilst we have not automated a solution, we have invested in and made significant improvements to the clerical processes. These improvements mean that, on average, we apply the ESA WCA to UC award in the vast majority of cases within the first Assessment Period.

1 House of Commons Work and Pensions Committee, ‘Universal Credit: natural migration, Twenty-seventh Report of Session 2017–19’, (HC 1884), published 17 July 2019, p. 13: https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmworpen/1884/1884.pdf

2 http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2019/1152/made

3 House of Commons Work and Pensions Committee, ‘UC: natural migration, Twenty-seventh Report of Session 2017–19’, (HC 1884), published 17 July 2019, p. 20: https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmworpen/1884/1884.pdf

4 https://www.understandinguniversalcredit.gov.uk/

Written by Andrew Coates

June 3, 2021 at 5:22 pm

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  1. […] Government Dismisses Work and Pensions Committee Report on Problems with Universal Credit. […]

  2. The DWP Ignoring Court Rulings again. DWP above the law. All things start at the DWP as a pilot for other Government Departments. The DWP are perfect said a DWP spokesperson even thou we are in court everyday defending against our customers which keep taking us to court even thou the DWP are perfect.

    Human Rights starts at the DWP & then filters down to the other Government departments. While the Equality Commission is still busy lobbying their stakeholders in American Beef with chemicals the DWP have the highest charter in being a Human Rights Sector Champion. Turn That Smile Upside Down.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    June 3, 2021 at 6:56 pm

    • If their idea of a Social Security system, i.e. Universal Credit, is working so well then how come there’s a couple of million people or more relying on foodbanks? And half a million young people completely missing like they don’t exist, not in work or training and not claiming Benefits?

      trev

      June 3, 2021 at 7:02 pm

  3. These are the same people who dismissed the United Nations ffs,we’re dealing with a rogue Department run by a renegade Government, both of which are unfit for purpose along with their fucked-up unworkable system of Universal Credit. All are Universally condemned!

    trev

    June 3, 2021 at 6:56 pm

    • Yep, your right Trev, anyone on UC is buggered and the only way out is work. The more work you have, the less hassle you get.
      Nothing is changing because this is exactly how the government want it to run as in gravely below cost of living.

      Doug

      June 4, 2021 at 6:11 am

  4. Universal Credit Incompetent Tory Utopia.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    June 3, 2021 at 7:29 pm

    • What came first the incompetent or Tory Utopia.

      The DWP Chicken & Egg Rule.

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      June 3, 2021 at 7:31 pm

  5. Makes you wonder, what is the point of having things like Select Committees if the Government can dismiss them and their findings so easily and ride roughshod over official reports? The Government’s defiance is as astonishing as their pig-headed denial of anything and everything that stands in their way, regardless of inconvenient things like truth, proof, evidence, testimony, and experienced judgment or expert opinion. They are reminiscent of 20th century Fascists and tin-pot Dictatorships.

    trev

    June 3, 2021 at 7:48 pm

    • Its all a rue so you cant attack them suddenly so they can counteract anything you come at them with rather than a system that can quickly and efficiently catch doing wrong.

      Doug

      June 4, 2021 at 6:14 am

      • Yes a kind of buffer zone or Reality filtration system.

        trev

        June 4, 2021 at 7:29 am

  6. The Tories waited years for the chance to destroy the old legacy benefit system. And with it what they saw as a culture of work-avoidance, made easy by the low requirements expected of claimants. They see Universal Credit as their great flagship of welfare reform. They know it’s more difficult for the claimant than the legacy system, it was meant to be. Which is why they are largely uninterested in making any changes to Universal Credit, or listening to the Work & Pensions Committee. And as for holding up official reports, what about the Russia Report on electoral interference in the 2019 election ? Still not published….

    Jeff Smith

    June 3, 2021 at 11:16 pm

  7. So I suppose there is not much chance of the legacy claimants getting the £20 extra then ?

    George M

    June 3, 2021 at 11:24 pm

    • Tiddles in Hades, George.

      trev

      June 4, 2021 at 6:02 am

  8. 9 Endangered Species:

    1. Giant Panda (Ailuropoda melanoleuca) …
    2. Tiger (Panthera tigris) …
    3. Whooping Crane (Grus americana) …
    4. Blue Whale (Balaenoptera musculus) …
    5.Asian Elephant (Elephas maximus) …
    6.Sea Otter (Enhydra lutris) …
    7.Snow Leopard (Panthera uncia) …
    8.Gorilla (Gorilla beringei andGorilla gorilla)
    9. JSA Legacy Claimant (Homo Sapiens Claimantus)

    Jeff Smith

    June 3, 2021 at 11:35 pm

    • @Jeff Smith: The benefit system is just like a zoo when you think about it. How would it be if the zoo gave £20 extra food to all the other animals except the Tiger ? And when he protested, all they could say was he should make a claim for Universal Credit ?

      George M

      June 4, 2021 at 3:41 pm

      • The long-term unemployed are the people who have been described in the past as “the undeserving poor”, or “the low Working Class” and other derogatory terms. The Tories see us more as rats or dogs than Tigers.

        trev

        June 4, 2021 at 5:06 pm

  9. All those people saying that Jeremy Corbyn would have turned us back to the 1970s, yes the 1970s when we had a functioning Social Security system, no foodbanks, no Jobcentres, affordable Rents, easy job applications procedures (no CVs, no agencies, no internet), strong Unions…

    trev

    June 4, 2021 at 6:10 am

  10. DPOs take control after Tomlinson ‘shuts down his own forum’
    By John Pring [DNS] on 3rd June 2021

    Disabled people’s organisations (DPOs) across England have set up their own national network after the minister for disabled people apparently shut down his advisory forum of DPOs after just three meetings.

    The government’s DPO Forum has not met since last October, despite the imminent publication of the government’s long-delayed national disability strategy.

    Launched only last July, the minister for disabled people, Justin Tomlinson, said at the time that it would “play an important role in bringing the voices and expertise of disabled people into the heart of government policy making”.

    He added: “I am looking forward to working with this new DPO Forum as we develop the National Strategy for Disabled People, the DWP Green Paper, and beyond.”

    But following the repeated cancellation of meetings, some of the forum’s members have now set up their own replacement, DPO Forum England.

    Among their continuing concerns, they believe the government is preparing to launch its new cross-government disability strategy without any meaningful consultation with DPOs, in breach of the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities.

    Four disabled people have already been granted legal aid for a judicial review of the government’s “disrespectful” and “unlawful” approach to seeking their views on the strategy.

    Members of the new forum include the Greater Manchester Disabled People’s Panel, the Reclaiming Our Futures Alliance (ROFA), Inclusion London, The Alliance for Inclusive Education, Equal Lives, Disabled People Against Cuts (DPAC) and Disability Positive in Cheshire.

    Mark Harrison, from ROFA, said the government’s forum – which he said was not a DPO forum at all because some of its member organisations were not led and controlled by disabled people – had not met since its third meeting last October.

    He said: “We decided to carry on as a DPO forum in our own right, so we took control.

    “We wanted to have a much more powerful voice for DPOs in England, not only speaking truth to power but holding power to account.”

    He said he hoped the new forum’s work would back up other strategic actions by the disabled people’s movement in England, including direct action by organisations like DPAC, the legal challenge to the disability strategy, and campaigns around independent living and care charging, including the push for a new National Independent Living Support Service.

    Harrison said that Tomlinson had told members of the government’s DPO Forum that its future was under review, with further meetings cancelled until further notice.

    He said this “smoke and mirrors” approach was “what we have come to expect from the government”.

    Harrison said Tomlinson appeared to have shut down the forum after a request from members for it to be run with proper terms of reference, with a disciplined approach, a work programme and a strategic approach to disability.

    He said: “There was no discipline to it, no notion of co-production with the agenda.”

    He added: “When people don’t agree with their world view, [the government] just shut it down and move on. That’s what they did with the DPO Forum.”

    The other leading DPOs that have joined the new forum so far are Breakthrough UK, Greater Manchester Coalition of Disabled People, Disability Rights UK, Choices and Rights Disability Coalition, Disability Stockport, West of England Centre for Inclusive Living and Sisters of Frida.

    The government’s Disability Unit had not commented by noon today (Thursday).

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    June 4, 2021 at 11:39 am

    • Justin Tomlinson Disability Sector Champion. Now switch him off.

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      June 4, 2021 at 11:40 am

      • In breach of the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities.

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        June 4, 2021 at 11:41 am

  11. Caxton House
    Tothill Street
    London
    SW1H 9NA

    HMAC Mr Gordon Clow
    The Council House
    Old Market Square
    Nottingham
    NG1 2DT

    12th April 2021

    Dear Mr Clow,

    RESPONSE TO REGULATION 28 REPORT TO PREVENT FUTURE DEATHS
    Introduction

    This is the Department for Work and Pensions’ (“DWP”) response to HMAC Clow’s Report
    to Prevent Future Deaths made under Regulation 28 of the Coroners (Investigations)
    Regulations 2013 dated 12 February 2021. The report arose from an inquest held between
    8 and 20 January 2021 into the death of Philippa Jane Louise Day, who was a Personal
    Independence Payment (“PIP”) claimant with DWP.

    I would like to take this opportunity to add my condolences to Philippa Day’s family and
    acknowledge the tragic nature of this case. I would also like to thank the Coroner for his
    report.

    The Report to Prevent Future Deaths covered three matters of concern to the Coroner. This
    response is structured accordingly. Those matters were:

    1. Call handlers as the DWP had not received, in their preparatory course prior to
    commencing work taking calls from claimants, specific training as to how best to interact
    with persons suffering from mental ill health in such a way as to avoid inadvertently
    exacerbating the difficulties experienced in progressing claims for benefits by such
    persons;

    2. Records of calls handled were very brief and, at times, inaccurate. The records did not
    facilitate accurate decision making or enable queries to be dealt with efficiently and
    without inadvertently exacerbating the difficulties experienced by Philippa Day in
    progressing her benefits claims; and

    3. The change of assessment process did not allow for a decision, which was incorrect, to
    be rectified without evidence of a subsequent change of circumstances. In addition,
    when a change of review process was appropriate, there was no means by which

    2
    upcoming appointments could be cancelled without causing prejudice to Philippa Day.
    A misleading letter was sent which led Philippa Day to consider that her benefits would
    be stopped if she did not attend the upcoming appointment.

    This response therefore firstly covers action that DWP is taking to increase the level of
    training relating to mental health conditions that call handlers will undertake before they take
    their first call from a claimant on their own (i.e. without a more experienced colleague on
    hand to advise them, a standard approach to initial training in service centres in many
    organisations in both the private and public sector). It then describes the steps underway to
    improve record-keeping and note-taking during and after calls. It then reports on changes to
    the assessment process we are developing in conjunction with the PIP Assessment
    Providers. Finally, I relate a number of other relevant actions DWP is either taking or has
    already taken to help mitigate the risk of these circumstances happening again in the future.

    Capita Business Services Ltd (“Capita”), who deliver parts of the PIP service to claimants on
    DWP’s behalf, have submitted a separate response where the Report to Prevent Future
    Deaths touches on matters for which they are responsible. However, the two organisations
    are working together (and with Independent Assessment Services, “IAS”, who also deliver
    assessments as part of the PIP system) to address the concerns raised in both the Coroner’s
    findings on Philippa Day’s death and his subsequent Report to Prevent Future Deaths.
    Mental health awareness training

    JUST A BIT OF THE DWP’S RESPONSE.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    June 4, 2021 at 3:23 pm

    • Deceased name: Philippa Day

      Coroner name: Gordon Clow

      Coroner Area: Nottingham and Nottinghamshire

      Category: Mental Health related deaths | Alcohol, drug and medication related deaths | Other related deaths

      This report is being sent to: The Department of Work and Pensions and Capita Business Services Ltd

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      June 4, 2021 at 3:25 pm

      • judiciary uk/publications /philippa-day/

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        June 4, 2021 at 3:26 pm

  12. And it came to pass that the woman Therese went into the market place. And lo, she did see some legacy benefit claimants. They were sore oppressed, and waxed wroth in their misery. For the £20 promised to them had not been paid. Yea, even though it had been paid to others of the house of Universal Credit.
    And Therese knew in her heart, that it was she, who had spoken against the legacy claimants. Suddenly she saw before her, three pillars of fire. Which seemed to reach up unto the heavens. And she did hear a voice say ”Therese, see before thee the three pillars of fire. Each burns with an equal flame. The first is called ESA, the second JSA, and the third is named Universal Credit. You must do justice to each alike. ” And the woman Therese was afraid, and fell down upon her knees onto the ground, and did cover her face. Then the pillars of fire did vanish. Yea, as doth the mist upon the rising of the sun. And the woman Therese rose from the ground, and hurried away. Knowing what she must do. For as the pillars of fire, which reached unto the heavens, had burned of an equal flame, so must all the legacy benefit claimants be paid an equal amount. And the woman Therese vowed that this should be so…..

    Jeff Smith

    June 4, 2021 at 4:11 pm

  13. Reblogged this on Tory Britain! .

    A6er

    June 4, 2021 at 4:52 pm

  14. Coming to a Jobcentre near you:

    https://www.ukhospitality.org.uk/news/568043/UKH-and-DWP-launch-Jobcentre-Plus-initiative-to-help-promote-sector-opportunities-to-jobseekers.htm

    Of course, they could always offer better wages/conditions to attract new workers but why do that when they can get into cahoots with the DWP to provide them with a new source of wage slaves they can force to work long, unsociable hours for crap pay.

    bob

    June 5, 2021 at 2:37 am

    • What a great idea, a job/career in the most and still is effected area of any trades.
      Trumped by supermarkets, warehouses, even cleaning sends the clear signal i wouldn’t want to be one of the 3.5 million next time around.

      Claimant commitment revision

      I am able and willing to accept and take up any work i can be reasonably expected to work even if that means being unable to receive furlough, laid off at the first whiff of a virus and re-entering the rinse and repeat cycle of welfare.

      Doug

      June 5, 2021 at 5:40 am

    • Bob, I think they’ll really want attractive young people to work as waiters/waitresses, not old blokes with white beards and bald heads. Though Hotel reception /booking clerk maybe? Bedroom cleaners? Dish washers? All of which are part time and I’m on JSA so am only forced to apply for full time jobs.

      trev

      June 5, 2021 at 9:48 am

      • Trev

        A full time job can be considered as hours as low as 16 a week. which is an average for such jobs so no actually you can be forced to apply for this work.

        Doug

        June 6, 2021 at 3:08 am

      • Well I never knew that and I’ve been claiming JSA for a long time, I was always under the impression that you are only obliged to apply for full time work on JSA. In fact in the past I’ve had Work Coaches question why I’ve applied for a part time job! Wish they’d make their minds up.

        trev

        June 6, 2021 at 10:11 am

      • Trev

        You, i and others see fulltime work as 37.5 hours a week but sadly under JSA legacy as soon as to go past 15 hours 59 minutes and 59 seconds of work, its considered full time.
        Its been that way for decades and why your claim stops under legacy at this point and why you can study a course less than 16 hours a week while unemployed but cant when its over as its classed as fulltime education.

        Under legacy you can work under 16 hours a week and still claim JSA rights although the work allowance was pound for pound so you never profited from it as it straight out worked at cancelling your benefits after only working around 10/11 hours dependent on year and min wage at the time. If you say earned the equivalent of JSA in a hour in a single week, that was allowed and they left you alone instead of trying to stick you on a work programme.

        To get around that and regain control the tories changed this under UC and while it still remains the case if you only draw the jsa element under UC, the work allowance of only taking 63p in the pound earned gives them the opportunity to keep their claws in you longer as you cant opt out of it. What with adding in housing benefit, naturally they have now greater control over you.

        The whole real point of UC is to get you to essentially pay for it all yourself despite paying tax and national insurance. The only plus side of UC is that unlike jsa legacy, its no taxable so does not count towards your tax allowance of 12’500 a year. Sadly it does nothing regarding NI contributions and when you actually look at it when you actually work while still are entitled to some benefits to top up, your actually being stealth taxed.

        Doug

        June 6, 2021 at 11:47 am

    • @bob – They DWP have got a real problem with this. A lot of people have had an unexpected year off from what was difficult, low-paid and stressful work. Now understandably, they don’t want to go back.

      Jeff Smith

      June 5, 2021 at 12:29 pm

      • a Jeff

        Plus a lot of foreign workers who have returned home to eastern Europe etc. and haven’t returned.

        trev

        June 5, 2021 at 2:48 pm

      • And from what I’ve read in the papers, a lot of them have no intention of returning either. They’re going to continue drawing furlough pay until September and then say: ta-ta! And who can blame them. They do shit-jobs for shit-money.

        jj joop

        June 6, 2021 at 10:39 am

      • trev

        June 6, 2021 at 10:50 am

      • Trev

        Trust me, Europeans have gone no where and are actually increasing in population size in this country.

        Doug

        June 6, 2021 at 11:48 am

    • @trev- I see that @Doug has once again become confused over the distinction between part-time work, and the minimum hours of work a job must provide, before you can be made to apply for it under JSA.

      I quote here from the actual regulations;

      JSA: Refusal of Employment and hours of availability on a Jobseekers Agreement.

      98. Claimant has agreed a pattern of availability of 24 hours or more per week’’

      Where a claimant has agreed a pattern of availability of their JSAg of 24 hours or more
      per week, and the hours recorded on the job are clearly less than 24 hours per week.
      You cannot notify the claimant to apply for the job.

      99. However, if the hours of the job were not recorded by the company you can notify
      them to apply for the job if the job is recorded as full-time. (Obviously, no-one is able to record
      a job of 16 hours a week as ‘full-time’. )

      So, if you are claiming legacy JSA, you cannot be mandated to apply for any job of less
      than 24 hours a week. Neither can you be mandated to apply for any part-time work, or
      zero-hours work.

      Yes, you can work up to just under 16 Hours a week on JSA, as a voluntary choice.
      But you cannot be forced to do so. And no-one seriously thinks that 16 hours a week is a ‘full-time’ job.

      Jeff Smith

      June 6, 2021 at 2:59 pm

      • Ok thanks Jeff. I don’t recall a specific number of hours being mentioned on my CC, it might do but I have a feeling it just says “full-time”. But in any case you’re not likely to get a job if you don’t seem interested at the interview stage, or have messed-up grotty broken fingernails for a waiter job for eg. They’ll want younger happy-looking shiny attractive people, not 60 yr old fogies.

        trev

        June 6, 2021 at 4:36 pm

      • @trev – No problem. You know this I’m sure, but its always best to arm yourself with a few photocopies of the regulations pertaining to hours and type of work that can be mandated under JSA. If and when we do go back to signing-on in person, you may well be dealing with some young zealot, from the new accelerated
        learning Work Coach scheme. Based almost entirely on Universal Credit. I have no doubt that the Work Coaches will be trying it on with part-time and zero-hours work, even with the legacy JSA claimants. If they are not smart enough to see this coming. P.S. 60 is the new 40 you know !

        Jeff Smith

        June 6, 2021 at 6:41 pm

  15. I can only wear shoes with shoelaces but the shoelaces keep coming undone which is very disabling Will they take my shoelaces away at the WCA Fake Medical to prove suicide risk but still fit for work & pass the WCA fake medical.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    June 5, 2021 at 10:20 am

    • The government is proceeding with the creation of a central store of data from GP records in England next month, despite the NHS suggesting a delay.

      The data is moving to a central NHS Digital database, with the Department of Health saying it expects GPs to introduce the system from 1 July.

      The NHS wanted a delay until September so patients had more time to learn about the system, the BBC has learned.

      Critics worry the data could be misused by third parties.

      Under a new system, called General Practice Data for Planning and Research, data from surgeries in England will be added to an NHS Digital database in “near real-time”.

      The programme will also extract data from records created up to 10 years ago.

      Patients have until 23 June to opt out.

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      June 5, 2021 at 10:23 am

      • To fully opt-out from having your NHS data used for purposes beyond your direct care is a two-step process:

        1) If you have concerns and want to stop your and your family’s GP data being taken from your GP practice for purposes other than your direct care, you can do so by filling in and giving this ‘Type 1’ form to your GP practice. (This form allows you to include details for your children and dependants as well). This is the most urgent step; the deadline to get your form to your GP is 23 June 2021, according to NHS Digital.

        2) If you want to stop your non-GP data, such as hospital or clinic treatments, being used/sold for purposes other than your direct care (for example, for “research and planning”) you should also do the following:

        · If you are opting-out just for yourself, use NHS Digital’s online National Data Opt-out process – this process only works for individuals aged 13 and over.

        · If you have children under 13, you need to fill in this form and email or post it to NHS Digital – this form works for both you and your children.

        https://bylinetimes.com/2021/05/19/the-government-wants-to-sell-your-gp-medical-records-heres-how-to-opt-out/

        they wont be getting mu data 😉

        superted

        June 5, 2021 at 12:31 pm

      • Thanks for that info superted. If failed to happen in 2016 but now they seem to be fast tracking without much time to sort it out like 3 weeks. Should it not be a Public Service Announcement !!

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        June 5, 2021 at 1:29 pm

      • Not sure whats being implied here in alignment with the opt out scheme ran back around 2014/5

        I instantly upon reading this remembered a mandated requirement needed to be made to GP surgeries if a patient wanted to refuse consent for sharing gp data back in 2014/15. Naturally i did this at the time in the form of a written letter.

        Now upon reading this article/s i decided to use the online service to opt out but upon using it found that i already had opted out of sharing NHS data.
        Now i know i have never made or been giving the choice to request an opt out from the NHS directly so im sure my written request to opt out made to my gp back in 2014/5 must have been what was used.

        So my question is why do i need to fill out the downloadable form which i give directly to my gp surgery when i thought this was what i did back in 2014/5 ?
        Is this something entirely new and if so how is it not connected to the request i made back in 2014 that seems to be the tool that told the NHS not to share my data that is still so to this date ?.

        Doug

        June 6, 2021 at 2:34 am

      • Thanks for the heads-up on this one, ted. I’ll be opting out of this toot-sweet.

        jj joop

        June 6, 2021 at 10:40 am

  16. Since the DWP are breaking the Data Protection Act with Data kept on costumers which is false & will not change it correctly so they remain breaking the Data Protection Act. The DWP contracting companies like Serco, Maximus, Atos, G4S is 3rd party data selling party funded by the Tory Party called the Government which means using tax payers money to earn money off their data. Once it works at the DWP it will be in every other government department. Human Rights Breaches.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    June 5, 2021 at 1:35 pm

    • Privatize the DWP !!!

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      June 5, 2021 at 1:36 pm

      • But that would only make things worse Stepping. You’d end up with somebody like G4S or Serco in charge.

        George M

        June 5, 2021 at 4:24 pm

  17. Ostracisation backed by Blair and a further decent into removing freewill, consent and a legalization of the use of force and threat to achieve it.

    https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-time-to-distinguish-between-those-who-have-and-have-not-had-a-vaccine-tony-blair-says-12325869

    In response to his remarks, a senior government source told the PA news agency: “Once again Mr Blair appears to have learned of things already in the pipeline and decided to publicly call for them.

    The 68-year-old, who served as PM from 1997 to 2007, made it clear that this would involve discriminating between the vaccinated and unvaccinated, adding: “Other than for medical reasons, people should be vaccinated.”

    If this course of action can be allowed and condoned over a matter deemed important, what does this say about any defense for something less important.

    Doug

    June 6, 2021 at 2:59 am

  18. Why are scientists and ex-prime Minister’s running our country?

    Cloverleaf

    June 6, 2021 at 9:15 am

  19. I am guessing this (below) is for the new Restart scheme beginning in June, I believe. Note the part where it says: “Booking jobseekers to any relevant training courses…” I’m also guessing this is code for slave-labour-placements.

    Employment Adviser – Cambridge Reed in Partnership
    https://findajob.dwp.gov.uk/details/6024337

    Consider the role of an Employment Adviser at Reed in Partnership!

    We are on a mission to be the partner of choice for developing people and their communities. Reed in Partnership is a public service provider specialising in skills training for the long-term unemployed, increasing employment opportunities by working with employers and providing youth services.

    What the job is about:

    Employment Advisers are the front line of Reed in Partnership. The main purpose of the role is to support unemployed jobseekers (our participants) with finding and sustaining employment, engage with employers and make local communities aware of the benefits of our service. Our participants are the lifeblood of our business, and providing them with an excellent service is at the very core of the Employment Adviser role.

    Your day-to-day responsibilities will include:

    Meeting with jobseekers, identifying any challenges and barriers with finding employment
    Booking jobseekers to any relevant training courses including customer service, security, hospitality, personal development, IT literacy and many others
    Supporting jobseekers with CV writing and job application process
    Liaising with employers to identify any employment opportunities for the jobseekers
    Outreach work – promoting Reed in Partnership within the local community

    jj joop

    June 6, 2021 at 12:07 pm

    • I remember applying for employment advisor when Action 4 employment were involve, I did not even get a job interview.

      I would have told my customers the truth, and say you don’t have to sign the paperwork, just that you are willing to take part

      my_final_username

      June 11, 2021 at 6:25 pm

  20. The DWP is receiving around 5,000 complaints every four months, a new report reveals.

    Figures show that from April 2020 to March 2021, the Department of Work and Pensions received over 20,000 complaints.

    https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/dwp-getting-5000-complaints-every-5487855

    superted

    June 6, 2021 at 1:34 pm

    • They couldn’t care less if they were receiving 5000 complaints every day !

      Jeff Smith

      June 6, 2021 at 2:18 pm

  21. “Jab the world by the end of 2022” BoJo’s message at G7.

    Cloverleaf

    June 6, 2021 at 7:37 pm

    • “jab the world…”

      What’s wrong with that? Sounds like one of the more sensible things Boris Johnson has said.

      trev

      June 6, 2021 at 7:43 pm

      • Efficacy of mRNA vaccines for COVID-19
        It is unclear why the novel mRNA COVID-19 vaccines from Moderna and Pfizer–BioNTech have shown potential efficacy rates of 90 to 95 percent when the prior mRNA drug trials on pathogens other than COVID-19 were not so promising and had to be abandoned in the early phases of trials.[86] Physician-scientist Margaret Liu stated that it could be due to the “sheer volume of resources” that went into development, or that the vaccines might be “triggering a nonspecific inflammatory response to the mRNA that could be heightening its specific immune response, given that the modified nucleoside technique reduced inflammation but hasn’t eliminated it completely”, and that “this may also explain the intense reactions such as aches and fevers reported in some recipients of the mRNA SARS-CoV-2 vaccines”. These reactions though severe were transient and another view is that they were believed to be a reaction to the lipid drug delivery molecules

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_vaccine

        so it cant stop you from getting it transmitting or killing you from it even with the jab means it is not a vaccine and the avg age of death is 82 and any mutation can render it useless why there has never been a cure for corona viruses same as the flu since the 1920s when they was first discovered.

        and there going to milk this for decades to come with vaccine passports and you paying £50 for a jab to update said passport.

        these company’s are only interested in one thing money even if what they make does kill ppl they do not care as long as the cash keeps rolling in for the profit of the share holders.

        The MHRA has received 396 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 831 reports for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, 4 for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 22 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified. The majority of these reports were in elderly people or people with underlying illness. Usage of the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca has increased rapidly and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported. Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccine played a role in the death.

        https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

        https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnounderlyinghealthconditionsbyage

        anyone under the age of 60 with no health issues must be off there fkn box to even risk taking it and yet there giving it to kids now when there is no scientific reason to do so other than compliance and do as your told!

        superted

        June 6, 2021 at 8:22 pm

      • Utter drivel. Just do as you’re told and get vaccinated.

        trev

        June 6, 2021 at 8:42 pm

    • @cloverleaf: The more people get vaccinated, the better. And the sooner we will have this dreadful pandemic under control.

      George M

      June 7, 2021 at 9:33 pm

  22. Vaccination saves lives. Don’t believe all this conspiracy nonsense. Get the jab, it makes sense.

    George M

    June 6, 2021 at 8:51 pm

  23. Evidence proves the elderly were murdered in UK hospitals, care homes and hospices (video) very upsetting.

    http://stateofthenation.co/?p=68050

    Cloverleaf

    June 6, 2021 at 8:55 pm

    • Cloverleaf, I’ve told you before, ‘state of the nation’ is not a credible source of information, it’s a screwball conspiracy website.

      trev

      June 6, 2021 at 9:09 pm

      • Neither is the bbc.

        Cloverleaf

        June 7, 2021 at 5:01 am

  24. trev a vaccine for cov19 or any corona virus does not exist!

    A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active acquired immunity to a particular infectious disease

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine

    the covid jab does not give you immunity stop you transmitting it or it killing you so it is not a vaccine is it.

    so no i wont be taking a failed vaccine that was abandoned that was never licensed for use because it did not work for the intended purpose of its invention in the first place.

    im sure you will enjoy your 2 year stint on the restart programme working as a slave in some charity shop or down the local tip as a good little profit unit because you wont say no and protect your rights and personnel data and your right to say no!

    superted

    June 6, 2021 at 9:14 pm

    • I’ll just increase my hours at the foodbank instead of doing any other Work Placements.

      trev

      June 6, 2021 at 9:28 pm

      • it does not work like that once you sign on the dotted line you are under there contract and rules and a full time work placement means 8hrs a day 5 days a week.

        so you wont have any time for the food bank in that case and well you did sign the contract.

        superted

        June 6, 2021 at 9:46 pm

    • Like all medicines, no vaccine is completely effective, so you should continue to take recommended precautions to avoid infection. Some people may still get COVID-19 despite having a vaccination, but this should be less severe.

      https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-what-to-expect-after-vaccination/what-to-expect-after-your-covid-19-vaccination

      should, could ,may, might, sounds like the dwp talk pmsl yet 500 ppl per day die in the uk from cancer every day.

      now what makes more money treatment or a cure but they dont stop you buying fags do they! that say on the packet they will kill you pmsl

      superted

      June 6, 2021 at 9:40 pm

    • Ted, mate, if there is no effective coronvirus vaccine then why have infections, hospitalisations and deaths been falling like a stone in line with the number of the vaccinated in the population rising. What’s responsible for that, mate? Coincidence?

      Tim

      June 7, 2021 at 8:00 am

      • if it is that good why are all the testing stations still open that cost a fortune to run? i have not had it dont know anyone that has had it dont wear a face mask and have letters telling me to stay in my box because i am at high risk of getting it so they say lol.

        The immune system is a network of biological processes that protects an organism from diseases. It detects and responds to a wide variety of pathogens, from viruses to parasitic worms, as well as cancer cells and objects such as wood splinters, distinguishing them from the organism’s own healthy tissue. Many species have two major subsystems of the immune system. The innate immune system provides a preconfigured response to broad groups of situations and stimuli. The adaptive immune system provides a tailored response to each stimulus by learning to recognize molecules it has previously encountered. Both use molecules and cells to perform their functions.

        seems mine is working fine 😉

        superted

        June 7, 2021 at 11:17 am

      • 400 people a day catching Covid despite having had two jabs
        “This is the evidence of another wave appearing.

        https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/400-people-day-catching-covid-5497125

        superted

        June 7, 2021 at 1:15 pm

      • The Third Wave of infections is among those who have refused the vaccine:

        “Recent assessments showed the majority of Covid-19 patients in Bradford Teaching Hospital Trusts with varying oxygen levels and CPAP (a type of non-invasive ventilation) were those who had not taken up the vaccine offer.”

        A spokesman for the Bradford Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust said: “We support Naz Shah’s plea for people in Bradford to get their COVID vaccination as soon as they’re called.

        “At Bradford Teaching Hospitals we are seeing patients who are eligible for the jab and haven’t had it yet.”

        https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/bradford-mp-issues-urgent-warning-20734276

        trev

        June 7, 2021 at 2:14 pm

      • Flu season ended in March it will resume in October,that is why deaths and hospitalisations have plummeted.

        Cloverleaf

        June 7, 2021 at 3:13 pm

      • Trev, this is the latest data 7th of June 2021

        https://www.bradfordhospitals.nhs.uk/2021/06/07/information-about-coronavirus/

        Latest figures: Covid-19 patients in our hospitals

        Total number tested positive to date – 3,943
        Total number tested negative to date – 77,659
        Confirmed and suspected COVID-19 patients currently inpatient Trust-wide – 13
        Confirmed COVID-19 patients discharged (to date) to their usual place of residence or no longer being treated as COVID-19 – 2,868
        Confirmed COVID-19 patients currently in ICU – 1
        Total COVID-19 deaths to date – 691

        What the data shows is the majority vaccinated or not all lived and all went home. The most at risk of death as you know have been vaccinated. This means death would be down for the most at risk naturally while the others who did get affected despite no vaccination mostly all went on to recovery and discharge.

        This all suggests the trend of covid death would be down while admittance would rise as the majority of not vaccinated are not in the at risk group.

        The story is somewhat misrepresenting the truth Trev and you only serve to conspire to help propagate this.

        Doug

        June 7, 2021 at 8:29 pm

      • Cloverleaf “Flu season ended in March it will resume in October,that is why deaths and hospitalisations have plummeted.”

        Funny then that the pandemic took off in April 2020. Flu season doesn’t start until December. What is behind the recent rise in cases… in June… at the start of summer? Seasonal hayfever?

        bob

        June 8, 2021 at 1:39 am

      • You anti-vacs people are kind of nuts you know when you deny the efficacy of vaccination when every scrap of data indicates the opposite. For example:

        “Just 2 per cent of people admitted to hospital with the Delta variant have had both doses of a coronavirus vaccine in the clearest sign yet that the jabs are breaking the link between infections and serious disease.”

        https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/only-2-of-hospital-patients-with-delta-variant-are-fully-vaccinated-new-figures-show-1039944

        In other words 98% of Covid hospitalisations caused by the new virulent Delta variant consist of people NOT fully vaccinated. Pretty definitive proof that full vaccination offers exceptional resistance against becoming so seriously ill with the Delta variant (and other known variants which are less transmissible) you need to be hospitalised. I really can’t understand how any rational person looking at the facts would deny themselves such an effective and FREE protection and take their chances, putting themselves and others at risk, than stepping up and being injected. For the life of me I just can’t understand it but still wish the unwise well.

        Good luck guys!

        Tim

        June 8, 2021 at 7:32 am

      • Tim

        12’383 cases of people with the variant, 464 turn up to A&E, 126 admitted, 2 or 3 % of which had two doses.
        Can you tell me how many of this 12’383 had been vaccinated with one dose, two doses, unvaccinated ?
        How about the 464 ?

        59.7% of population (68.2 million) have first does in uk, 41.8% two doses. This means 17.4% have had only first dose.This means 58.2% people plus 2% of the second dose group making it around 59% capable of contracting the virus.

        This means somewhere around 7’429 of the 12’383 were unvaccinated yet only 1% (83) ended up in hospital. We know most of which will recover and go home.

        So of the 27’489’681 unvaccinate around 274’896 might end up in hospital but considering todate since the start weve had a total of 467,285 admitted, its highly likely we will only see at worst 6.6% (just over 18’000 a month).Currently it stands at 3813 a month if the trend repeated on its daily figures.

        If you arent old or have illnesses then the vaccine isnt as important as regards protecting yourself but do remember this means nothing about protecting people from you if you contract it and they happen to be old and or ill.

        This is a static set of figures and while correct at the time of printing or possibly further down the road, DO NOT use them in your decision process whether to get vaccinated or not.

        Dont you think thats quite interesting how that data was left out.

        Doug

        June 9, 2021 at 11:11 pm

      • @ Doug

        Hi, Doug. If you give me some links to the web pages (or documents) where you got those stats I’ll check them out. Thank you in advance.

        Tim

        June 10, 2021 at 9:52 am

      • Tim

        Should have put a link in when i calculated and wrote it so i do apologize. I had a long hard day at work and was tired.

        https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

        This site gives broad data with breakdowns.of its contained sections. Then you just have to formulate a mathematical question and do the math.

        If you have any questions on how i arrived at certain figures please feel free to pitch (share math) them as the more eyes the better. Just remember we are not talking about testing positive, we are talking about patients in hospital and not those that attended but was released.

        In light of the current data i think the country and those at risk have done a bang up job on vaccinations and why deaths are currently so low. I think considering the sheer amount of positive tests, the lack of admittance as opposed to stay home and treat reaffirms this death trend. ICU numbers i cannot predict as far too many factors.
        I believe judging by current data the large amount not vaccinated or yet will not lead to death blow numbers pre vaccine. This does not mean though that hospitalization wont grow.
        Anything you can walk away from is a good day so i suspect/guess most deaths attributed to those at risk who for one reason or another did not get vaccinated but until such a sad period, i could not affirm this.

        I wanted to look at how bad could it be regarding hospitalization over if sustained 15 month period regardless no wave goes that long and average it out. So if you wanted a flat monthly figure then i made it around possibly as high as 31’000 a month over a 15 month period averaged out.

        Until the wave gets really under way assuming it does, its hard to reflect and make adjustments to refine it even more.

        Anyway, there you go.

        Doug

        June 10, 2021 at 6:03 pm

  25. You are a wonderful person ted.

    Cloverleaf

    June 6, 2021 at 9:27 pm

  26. Cut of £40m in help for tenants will ‘drive up homelessness’

    Renters’ groups shocked as funding in England and Wales for rent shortfalls or deposits is cut to below pre-pandemic levels

    The government is cutting the funding it gives to councils in England and Wales to help struggling tenants by more than a fifth, with critics warning the move will drive up homelessness following the recent end of the Covid evictions ban and the end of the furlough scheme in September.

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2021/jun/06/cut-of-40m-in-help-for-tenants-will-drive-up-homelessness

    superted

    June 6, 2021 at 11:10 pm

    • If covid proved one thing, it was that the increases and support added to welfare over the pandemic just shows how underfunded the benefits are for claimants.

      Doug

      June 7, 2021 at 7:50 pm

  27. New Kickstart Scheme supports Ryde’s young people

    RYDE Town Council has announced the successful employment of two young people, thanks to the Department of Work and Pensions’ (DWP) new Kickstart Scheme.

    https://www.countypress.co.uk/news/19352014.new-kickstart-scheme-supports-rydes-young-people/

    superted

    June 7, 2021 at 11:32 am

  28. Universal Credit: You could get help with broadband as 2.5million fall behind on bills

    https://www.express.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/1446373/universal-credit-broadband-bills-help-payment-DWP-UK-2021

    superted

    June 7, 2021 at 11:37 am

    • “A payment of Universal Credit can help Britons juggle various day-to-day living costs which frequently crop up.”

      Spoken in the words of a person who has never been forced to live of it. never had to make ends meet with a poultry 74 pounds or there abouts every week.
      Of course the internet is going to be back of the bus because everything else is every bit more important.

      Free internet or a top up of the amount for the unemployed is the way forward as no one is going to starve, go cold or without electricity on account of a possible job application with no guarantee of employment.

      Doug

      June 7, 2021 at 7:46 pm

  29. Disability Confident, guaranteed interview scheme

    The Disability Confident scheme does not contain a guaranteed interview process and there-
    fore DWP does not collect details of information nor has research been undertaken by the
    Department to evaluate the shortlisting for and outcomes of guaranteed interviews

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/disability_confident_guaranteed#incoming-1806019

    superted

    June 7, 2021 at 11:47 am

  30. Jobcentre deaths 2017, 2018 Wales

    In relation to deaths in jobcentres in Wales, we can neither confirm nor deny whether we hold
    the requested information, in accordance with s38(2) of the Act and consider that the
    information is exempt under s38(1)(b) of the Act as we believe disclosure of the requested
    information would be likely to endanger the safety of any individual.

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/jobcentre_deaths_2017_2018_wales#incoming-1804940

    superted

    June 7, 2021 at 11:55 am

  31. DWP takes 34,000 sq ft in Wrexham

    Investor Hurstwood Holdings has let the former New Look store on Hope Street to the Government department, which plans to convert the unit into a Covid job centre after signing a five-year lease.

    https://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/news/dwp-takes-34000-sq-ft-in-wrexham/

    superted

    June 7, 2021 at 1:55 pm

  32. Jobcentre Safety Ballot – Members vote for action
    07 Jun 2021
    The Jobcentre consultative safety ballot closed at 12 noon on Wednesday and the result has now been received. An overwhelming 74% of members who votied said they would be willing to take strike action to protect their safety.

    At the end of the PCS DWP annual conference on Sunday 6 and Monday 7 June the newly elected group executive committee (GEC) will take up position. The new GEC will consider the ballot result in detail and take decisions about the next steps in negotiations and campaigning. Branches will be fully informed and consulted.

    The GEC is now more determined than ever to protect the safety of our members and the public against the dangers caused by the departments unsafe, rushed ramping up of face to face work in Jobcentres. Securing safe working conditions for our members and protecting the public will remain the top priority of the union.

    https://www.pcs.org.uk/department-for-work-and-pensions/news/jobcentre-safety-ballot-%E2%80%93-members-vote-for-action

    superted

    June 7, 2021 at 4:18 pm

    • Bluff. I call the PCS, and raise them 10,000 sanctions.

      Jeff Smith

      June 7, 2021 at 9:28 pm

      • @Jeff Smith : I’ll see your 10,000 sanctions Jeff, and raise you 1000 pointless training courses !

        George M

        June 8, 2021 at 1:30 pm

  33. PCS campaigning for fair pay across DWP

    We all do broadly comparable work so why we all are paid wildly different amounts?
    National pay bargaining was abolished by the then conservative government in 1994. Up until then all civil servants in all government departments had always had broadly the same rate of pay (with some extra allowances for some jobs). Using traditional civil service grades broadly speaking all AAs were paid the same, all AOs were paid the same, all EOs were paid the same, and all HEOs were paid the same and so on.

    The Tories attacked national pay bargaining divide and rule us. Over the last 25 years PCS has reluctantly negotiated delegated pay separately in each of the many government departments. As a result members in for example DWP, HMRC, Home Office, Courts, Land Registry, BEIS, MOD or Defra are now all paid wildly different rates of pay. This is wrong and unfair because no matter what department you work for we are all employed by the Crown as civil and public servants and all AAs, AOs, EOs, HEOs etc do broadly comparable work within job evaluated grades, so they all deserve the same pay. Delegated pay also puts people off transferring between departments and adversely affects career development.

    https://www.pcs.org.uk/department-for-work-and-pensions/news/pcs-campaigning-for-fair-pay-across-dwp

    superted

    June 7, 2021 at 4:19 pm

    • On the same basis, unemployed people on JSA or Universal Credit do broadly the same type of being unemployed. But one group gets £20 extra, and the other one gets two fingers. But nobody in government seems to see how unfair this is.

      Jeff Smith

      June 7, 2021 at 9:27 pm

      • so they voted to strike for unsafe working conditions and now want a 10-12;5% pay rise and to work less hrs for more money sounds about right yet us lot on jsa get fuck all! now that’s what you call fair is it.

        Working Week
        In keeping with our view expressed in respect of annual leave provision, we believe that the time is right to consider what the future world of work might look like and how workers might benefit from new technology and from more flexible ways of working. We are therefore seeking a significant reduction in the working week with no loss of pay.

        superted

        June 7, 2021 at 9:48 pm

      • If this is the ‘new normal’ what do we get out of it? We long-term unemployed, do we get an end to jobsearch conditionality, an end to Sanctions, more money, annual signing ? an end to employment schemes? Early access to State Pension?

        What do I get?

        trev

        June 7, 2021 at 10:10 pm

    • The DWP workers work for reaching sanction targets & now they the DWP workers are now getting sanctions in working pay & conditions from the DWP itself. What hypocrites. Sacked to lot of them lazy blood on their hands moany assissins.

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      June 7, 2021 at 10:53 pm

      • DWP Pre Meditated State Sponsored Murders want to go on strike !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        June 7, 2021 at 10:54 pm

      • Let’s ask Serco & Atos if their workers want to go on strike.

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        June 7, 2021 at 10:55 pm

      • Justin Tomlinson the Disability Minister has gone on strike about DPO’s & Disability !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        June 7, 2021 at 10:58 pm

      • We might as well go on a 3 month holiday the Tory Cabinet said Gin & Tonic anyone !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        June 7, 2021 at 11:00 pm

      • Has any one found Michael Gove’s summer shorts yet !!!!!!

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        June 7, 2021 at 11:01 pm

  34. I don’t know if this also applies to Civil Servants such as Jobcentre staff….

    “The five-day office week could become the norm again within two years, the Centre for Cities think tank has told the BBC.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57339105

    trev

    June 8, 2021 at 10:19 am

    • @trev: This is what the bosses want Trev. Everything back to normal as quick as possible. Before people get any ideas about never going back to 5-Day slavery. But they can’t take back the mass population experience of a year without work ! Having more time for themselves and their families, and still managing to survive. The old weekly grind at the office has been shown up for what it really is, An outdated ritual.

      George M

      June 8, 2021 at 1:35 pm

      • I don’t mind the five day week, what I hate is the Universal Credit idea to cobble 35 hours worth of work on the minimum wage out of umpteen “mini-jobs”. (Work an hour here in the morning, an few hours there in the afternoon and another few hours somewhere else in the evening to clock up seven hours of work on the minimum wage.) Pretty much every job you can shake a stick at involves a commute of some kind (unless you can get a lift, walk or cycle to it) and has costs associated with it: by the time 63% of whatever you earn is deducted from your UC entitlement, Council Tax increases are accounted for, and sundry costs like travel, clothes and tools etc., are covered you find yourself still mired in poverty because increased outgoings associated with work decimate any extra income coming in from doing that work in the first place.

        How anybody can ever have thought – like dopey Nick Clegg – that Universal Credit would abolish poverty by enabling people to “work their way” out of it is mysterious, because the parlous state where we have ended up in now was predictably obvious from the get-go.

        One of the biggest problems isn’t the 5 day week, involving 5 commutes a week to a full-time job which gets you off UC completely, but a 5 day week involving multiple part-time jobs and umpteen costly journeys from home to the workplace, a series of journeys from one workplace to another, and eventually from some workplace home – and, after all that effort, still hardly be better off than you were when completely jobless!

        Universal Credit is an exceptionally perverse and cruel social security system.

        Aleister

        June 9, 2021 at 7:04 am

      • That’s a very good point Aleister, one which neither the Government nor the DWP Select Committee seems to have noticed. Let’s face it, there is no good thing about it and no way out, unless you manage somehow to survive until Pension age, or become self-employed, or die. Universal Credit ruins lives.

        trev

        June 9, 2021 at 10:20 am

      • @ Trev

        I’ve been in that position and it’s pretty awful if you need to use public transport, because not only do you have to make several costly commutes from one location to another, depending on where you live and what the train and bus services are like, you might have to spend ages walking to stations and waiting for buses or trains to arrive, and, in the case of buses, have to put up with slow journeys because of multiple stops along the route to let people off and on the vehicle. So your seven hour day can end up being nine, ten or even more hours long once you factor in lunch breaks and commutes by public transport.

        I’m only saying this as a warning because many naive people don’t take such things into account.

        Just be careful what you commit yourselves is all I’m saying.

        Be very careful.

        Aleister

        June 9, 2021 at 2:13 pm

  35. ‘Callous’ DWP slammed by SNP for leaving vulnerable Scots waiting 19 weeks for disability benefit

    The SNP has slammed the UK Government after it was revealed Scots living with disabilities are left waiting more than four months for a decision after applying for a new benefit.

    Inverness and Nairn MP Drew Hendry has written to the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) to demand answers after he learned that vulnerable individuals – including those ill with cancer – were spending up to 19 weeks before a decision was made on their Personal Independence Payment (PIP) claim.

    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/dwp-snp-disability-benefit-slammed-24267667

    superted

    June 8, 2021 at 11:47 am

  36. NHS Dr Samuel White resigns and speaks out on the lies relating to c-19 and the vax.

    http://stateofthenation.co/?p=68260

    Cloverleaf

    June 8, 2021 at 12:12 pm

    • “state of the nation” . Nuff said.

      trev

      June 8, 2021 at 1:30 pm

      • It’s preferable to the British Bolshevic Corporation, nuff said.

        Cloverleaf

        June 8, 2021 at 1:52 pm

  37. Cloverleaf

    June 8, 2021 at 1:50 pm

  38. And what happens if you are claiming Universal Credit and you want a holiday ?

    George M

    June 8, 2021 at 1:55 pm

  39. Health and Safety Facility Time until end of June
    08 Jun 2021
    DWP has agreed to allow all Covid related health and safety facility time taken since November to be treated as official duty.

    This agreement will continue until the end of June, subject to the normal line manager approval process.

    This position will be reviewed at the end of June.

    https://www.pcs.org.uk/department-for-work-and-pensions/news/health-and-safety-facility-time-until-end-of-june

    superted

    June 8, 2021 at 1:58 pm

  40. superted

    June 8, 2021 at 5:57 pm

  41. Andrew Coates

    June 8, 2021 at 6:50 pm

  42. Benefits claimants suffering under end-of-life DWP rule
    Terminally ill people in UK spending final weeks struggling to get social security help as six-month rule demands ‘proof’ of life expectancy

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jun/09/benefits-claimants-suffering-under-end-of-life-dwp-rule

    superted

    June 9, 2021 at 10:32 am

    • You can thank that idiot David Freud for that one and for invidious “rape clause” too.

      Tim

      June 9, 2021 at 2:15 pm

  43. MILLIONS of hard-up Brits were locked out of their Universal Credit journals this morning due to a mass internet outage.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/15199963/universal-credit-journals-down/

    superted

    June 9, 2021 at 10:37 am

  44. Plan set out for 5,000 people to take part in Universal Basic Income trial in Wales
    First Minister Mark Drakeford has made clear he intends to pilot a Universal Basic Income system in Wales

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/universal-basic-income-wales-ubi-20769221

    superted

    June 9, 2021 at 10:47 am

  45. Free breakfast bribe for homeless to get jabs, they need a job more!

    Cloverleaf

    June 9, 2021 at 1:05 pm

  46. @Cloverleaf :Do you really want to be walking around, knowing that everyone else has Covid antibodies ?
    And you don’t ??

    George M

    June 9, 2021 at 1:57 pm

  47. Have you had the prick yet George?

    Cloverleaf

    June 9, 2021 at 2:09 pm

    • I have and hopefully now 70% less likely to suffer serious effects from any of the current Covid strains, rising to over 90% when I get the second jab in the near future. Thank to everyone who worked towards development of the AstraZenca jab (which I had) and other vaccines.

      Tim

      June 9, 2021 at 2:18 pm

      • @Tim – I agree 100%. We are lucky to be able to access the Covid vaccine at no cost, thanks to the NHS.
        It has been a remarkable achievement, to develop and distribute these vaccines in so short a space of time.
        They are the only way we will get the Covid pandemic under control. Not aliens, conspiracy theories, or attention-seeking eccentrics. Just straightforward science.

        Jeff Smith

        June 9, 2021 at 2:26 pm

    • @Cloverleaf – I would remind Cloverleaf, that while responsible posts are welcome, homophobic ones are not. There is a double-entendre here concerning the word ‘pr**k’, that I find disappointing. Let us not lower the tone of debate, on this, the leading welfare blog.

      The Editor

      June 9, 2021 at 2:19 pm

      • The Editor, I was referring to a needle prick not a part of the male anatomy, you obviously have a dirty mind 😀.

        Cloverleaf

        June 9, 2021 at 2:42 pm

  48. Oh Lord,
    Give us this day our Covid vaccination,
    And forgive those who will not be vaccinated,
    Like Cloverleaf and Superted,
    Forever and ever,
    Amen.

    Reverend Green

    June 9, 2021 at 2:13 pm

  49. well fuck knows whats going on with budgeting loans as now been 4 weeks since i applied for one online and still no letters.

    had to ring 4 fkn different numbers and now on hold seems there making these as hard as possible to apply for one now.

    and they now need the letter back in 7 days and can take 21 days to process it there taking the piss!

    superted

    June 9, 2021 at 2:24 pm

    • they said they got so many applications they cant keep up yet my loan was approved but the letter not sent out so done it now and will get it in a few days.

      computer said yes human said no imo lol.

      superted

      June 9, 2021 at 2:50 pm

    • Universal Credit rules ‘pushing people into unsuitable work’ and ‘failing’ parents say Consumer charity Citizens Advice.

      Citizens Advice wants DWP staff to be flexible when setting job-seeking requirements and avoid docking benefits over this.

      https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/universal-credit-rules-pushing-people-24290751

      xclausx

      June 10, 2021 at 4:42 pm

      • I thought CAB had signed a gagging order in exchange for funding and weren’t allowed to comment?

        trev

        June 10, 2021 at 6:18 pm

  50. Call to end face to face Jobcentre interviews as covid outbreak forces partial closure of Glasgow office
    David Linden has urged the DWP to heed union warnings after a Jobcentre in Glasgow had to shut.

    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/call-end-face-face-jobcentre-24284055

    superted

    June 9, 2021 at 4:06 pm

    • Face-to-face interviews haven’t yet resumed at my Jobcentre we’re still on phone interviews. Hardly surprising considering we’re still under Council advice to restrict movement and have the highest infection rate in the country (= Third Wave). My next phone call is 22nd June, no mention of personal appointments for the foreseeable future.

      trev

      June 9, 2021 at 4:18 pm

      • @trev

        Lucky old you. I’ve got a face-to-face interview tomorrow. The first one since March 4 last year. You’ll get a full report tomorrow when I get back.

        jj joop

        June 9, 2021 at 4:31 pm

      • I had my 2nd face to face interview last week, 1st one i was asked by coachy if i’ve had both my ‘Jabs’ by now…to which i told him its none of his business.

        scratch

        June 9, 2021 at 4:44 pm

      • Whilst it’s true, it’s none of their business, my technique is to get them chatting about anything, the pandemic, Armageddon, whatever, to use up the ten minutes. If you get a bad one who’s on a mission to find fault and issue threatening bollockings my technique is to keep quiet and let them run with it, get it off your chest, then it’s time up, here’s your next appointment and off you go. I learned a long time ago that arguing with them is counterproductive, and you have to be canny in how you ‘read’ each one of them, don’t necessarily go steaming in with an attitude.

        trev

        June 9, 2021 at 6:00 pm

      • @trev- 10 minutes on the phone ! You should be so lucky. Mine basically say hello, ask how things are. I say fine. Then they always ask if there are any problems. I say no .And then they give me the time and date for the next appointment. Finished.

        Jeff Smith

        June 9, 2021 at 8:18 pm

      • @ Jeff

        No I meant face to face appointments in the Jobcentre last for 10 mins. so talk about anything to use the time up.

        trev

        June 9, 2021 at 8:47 pm

      • yet for the last few years signing on they dont want to talk to me bar job search, sign this and fuck off!

        superted

        June 9, 2021 at 8:49 pm

  51. COUGH KUFF Face To face Kuff interview oh dear a bad Cough Kuff I’m not sure if theKuff Work Kuff Coach can kuff hear me over my coughing in his face – STRIKE ACTION ALL OUT>

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    June 9, 2021 at 5:17 pm

    • Have You Got A Sanction Coffin At The DWP !!!

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      June 9, 2021 at 5:18 pm

  52. If only the government would just do the sensible thing, and switch over to Universal Basic Income. There is no need for any of this Jobcentre business. The phone calls, the face-to-face interviews. We did without it for a whole year, and we can do without it permanently.

    Jeff Smith

    June 9, 2021 at 8:30 pm

    • Yep, the Jobcentres are obsolete and so is the thinking behind them, the entire notion of ‘Conditionality’ has it’s roots in the outdated notions of the deserving and undeserving poor.

      trev

      June 9, 2021 at 8:53 pm

  53. Who’s to blame the Covid Work Coach variant or the Covid DWP variant !!!
    Do you get a Universal Credit variant !!!
    How about the Covid DWP Minister Variant !!!
    Do the job centres supply face masks or is it breaking the rules wearing a face mask at the job centre !!!!
    I am trying to understand incompetent contradictions & in terms of not being a incompetent contradiction in terms !!!

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    June 10, 2021 at 2:02 am

  54. You will be happy to hear the cabinet has found Michael Gove’s combat summer shorts so we can all go on holiday together. By the way who found Michael Gove’s combat summer shorts? Well Tony Blair found them, but being Tony Blair you can’t trust what he says. So what is Tony Blair doing with Michael Gove’s combat summer shorts, he says he found them. Gin & Tonic anyone !!!

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    June 10, 2021 at 2:07 am

  55. £213 a week for everyone 18-64 universal basic income pilot scheme to go ahead.

    Cloverleaf

    June 10, 2021 at 12:01 pm

  56. Cloverleaf

    June 10, 2021 at 12:04 pm

  57. Cloverleaf

    June 10, 2021 at 12:34 pm

  58. The problem with getting £213 a week on Universal Basic Income is that it does not include Housing Benefit & Community Charge Rebate which people will have to pay out of their £213 a week Universal Basic Income.

    It sound good on digital but it sounds even better on paper format same as the whole of Universal Credit & The DWP sounds better on paper format.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    June 10, 2021 at 1:41 pm

    • It depends on peoples’ circumstances, which are not Universal but differing and variable. I could live ok on £213 p/w, that’s probably a little bit more than my Benefits come to now if you add everything up; JSA + Housing Benefit + Council Tax Reduction + free prescriptions + free Dental treatment = between £180 – £200 p/w at a rough estimate.

      trev

      June 10, 2021 at 2:38 pm

  59. Why not just stick a stamp on it Magdalen College & seal it. Why, how big does the Queen’s Portrait need to be !!!!!! Have they not invented the [How much is the Queen worth] £5 Million Stamp which would be much bigger than the £2 stamp.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    June 10, 2021 at 1:48 pm

  60. I bet you Boris Johnson’s hair brush, which he doesn’t use, that Michael Gove has 3 pairs of Combat Summer Shorts.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    June 10, 2021 at 1:51 pm

  61. State pension UK: DWP updates claiming process as forms are removed – full details

    Today, the DWP updated the claiming rules for state pensions which specifically affects those born after the 1950s cut offs.

    It is now no longer possible to get a state pension claim form for those born on or after April 6 1951 (men) or 1953 (women) on the Government’s website.

    The form is no longer available online and instead, the accessible online service can be used, or a paper copy of the form can be requested.

    https://www.express.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/1448298/state-pension-uk-dwp-claiming-process-forms-removed

    superted

    June 10, 2021 at 8:03 pm

  62. DWP admits carrying out more than 175 secret reviews into benefit deaths in nine years.

    The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) has carried out secret reviews into more than 175 deaths of benefit claimants since February 2012, including 80 in the last three full calendar years, new figures have revealed.

    https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/dwp-admits-carrying-out-more-than-175-secret-reviews-into-benefit-deaths-in-nine-years/

    superted

    June 10, 2021 at 8:04 pm

  63. Central government spent £4.4bn on IT in 2020

    Atos also features heavily in departments’ top spend, with the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) having spent £791m on Atos between 2016-2020 and the Ministry of Justice (MoJ) spending £395m on the supplier during the same time period

    https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252502229/Central-government-spent-44bn-on-IT-in-2020

    superted

    June 10, 2021 at 8:14 pm

  64. The new lockdown which should be in August 2021 will not happen because the Tory Government will be scared of revolution rebelling against the new lockdown rules. The Tory Government have put themselves in a big hole. Boris Johnson from bad to worst PM.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    June 11, 2021 at 11:17 am

  65. Boris is a w⚓.

    Cloverleaf

    June 11, 2021 at 11:53 am

  66. Why do none of the Tory Voters like Boris Johnson !!!

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    June 11, 2021 at 12:32 pm

    • As long as Labour is not in power we don’t care how bad it gets with Boris & the Tories as long as Labour is not in power. The Tories would prefer 50,000 Covid deaths rather than Labour being in power.

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      June 11, 2021 at 12:36 pm

      • Labour have got some serious thinking to do, if they are to attract the working-class vote. Half the problem is they just don’t seem that working class, sitting in London in 2 million pound homes, and eating out in Mayfair restaurants.

        Jeff Smith

        June 11, 2021 at 1:08 pm

  67. well i got my budgeting loan letter today and i applied for it online on the 10th of may. the letter and the envelope has changed so has the letter to accept it.

    superted

    June 11, 2021 at 12:47 pm

  68. It’s high time a demarche was issued to the Department Of Work & Pensions, over their unacceptable refusal to pay an extra £20 per week to the legacy benefit claimants.

    George M

    June 11, 2021 at 1:15 pm

  69. Had my work search review yesterday. The first time I have set foot in the Jobcentre since the first week of March last year. It lasted about six minutes. The coach was polite and friendly. There was a three foot high glass screen between us bolted to the desk with a one inch high slit at the bottom. When I passed my work search evidence under the screen for her to examine she put on a pair of disposable gloves. She wore a face shield as well and I was given one to wear too. There were two other people waiting to be seen and we all had to sit 2 metres+ from each other. The office was virtually dead with only two coaches, a G4s lady, three clients and that was it. Frankly I found it all rather eerie.

    jj joop

    June 11, 2021 at 1:42 pm

    • So no hand wash gel then !!!

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      June 11, 2021 at 1:55 pm

      • @Stepping

        Yes they do ask you to use hand wash gel. Forgot about that.

        jj joop

        June 11, 2021 at 6:26 pm

    • its not going to fit is it pmsl.

      DSC_0089_02

      superted

      June 11, 2021 at 1:59 pm

    • I do wish they would stop all this. It’s absolutely pointless.

      Jeff Smith

      June 11, 2021 at 2:29 pm

      • They won’t stop Jeff they’re having to much fun tormenting us.

        Cloverleaf

        June 11, 2021 at 3:10 pm

    • @ jj joop

      “eerie” and totally pointless. It’s a waste of everyone’s time, you, the G4SS guard, the Work Coach (aka Dole Clerk), just a big waste of time.

      trev

      June 11, 2021 at 3:07 pm

  70. Covid G4S variant. Have you got a job to be a Covid Variant?

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    June 11, 2021 at 1:54 pm

    • Euro 2020 Covid Variant. Let’s have a big group hug.

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      June 11, 2021 at 1:56 pm

  71. And what about the poverty pimp variant 🤣 they called me yesterday wanting to know why I haven’t sent them my CV, told them I forgot but will email it to them asap. I tried to get out of doing their crap online courses saying I only have 3GB of data and I need it for jobsearch, she said that’s not a problem as we can send you a tablet courtesy of reed ,also they don’t need your wet signature so won’t be able to get out of doing this shot.

    Cloverleaf

    June 11, 2021 at 2:27 pm

    • So the DWP through Reed can supply a laptop computer but not the £20 a week uplift on legacy benefits. I should open up a shop selling DWP laptops because I can get the DWP sending me 20 laptops.

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      June 11, 2021 at 3:04 pm

      • 5 ESA paper Forms !!!

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        June 11, 2021 at 3:05 pm

  72. Typo-shit.

    Cloverleaf

    June 11, 2021 at 2:28 pm

    • simple do not give the jcp your phone number or email address then the pimps have no way to contact you.

      you have no contract with this company so they can not demand anything esp personnel data like a cv.

      superted

      June 11, 2021 at 2:43 pm

  73. Too late ted they already have my email & phone number.

    Cloverleaf

    June 11, 2021 at 3:07 pm

    • given to them without your permission if this went to a tribunal the pimp would not have a legal leg to stand on.

      not even the dwp can demand a copy of a cv to go on the system or when ujm was going they needed your permission to log in to your account.

      and they cant force you to accept cookies on web sites either even when you was sat in a providers office.

      so ask them what happens if you dont give them a cv on the grounds of data protection and your right to say no.

      what they going to do sanction you for not handing over a cv which is your personnel data and your choice to who you give it to.

      so send them a pic of your cv and blank out all of your work history as that is your right and task completed 😉

      superted

      June 11, 2021 at 3:17 pm

    • If you’ve had a problem accessing your personal information, or have a concern about the way an organisation is handling your personal information – perhaps they hold information about you that is incorrect, they have held it for too long, or they are not keeping it secure – we may be able to help you do something about it.

      To help people concerned about how websites are using cookies, we’ve put together some practical advice on how you can protect your online privacy.

      We’re also asking for anyone concerned about cookies to let us know using our ‘Report your cookie concerns’ tool. This will help us to monitor organisations’ adherence to the new rules, identify sectors where contact or enforcement action may be required, and identify areas where further guidance may be required. We will update our website with details of any action we are taking.

      https://ico.org.uk/make-a-complaint/

      do it now there braking the data protection act!

      superted

      June 11, 2021 at 3:38 pm

      • (e) These Terms of Use and the Privacy Policy constitute the entire agreement between you and us for your use of the Services.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        (f) Except to the extent applicable law, if any, provides otherwise, these Terms of Use are governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of England and Wales without regard to its conflict of law rules, and the courts of England and Wales shall have exclusive jurisdiction over any dispute that may arise between you and us in relation to these Terms of Use

        so there basing the contract on you using there services but as above you can say no and not interested they dont have a leg to stand on and even say it in the terms and conditions.

        (d) Each of the provisions of these Terms of Use operates separately. If any court or competent authority decides that any provision is illegal, invalid or unenforceable, the other provisions will remain in full force and effect, and such provision will be replaced with a valid and enforceable provision which achieves to the greatest extent possible the same effect as would have been achieved by the illegal, invalid or unenforceable provision.

        https://reedinpartnership.careercentre.me/terms/reed-in-partnership

        superted

        June 11, 2021 at 3:46 pm

      • Ta Ted I’ve filled in the form and submitted it I doubt it will do any good though.

        Cloverleaf

        June 11, 2021 at 6:01 pm

      • seems there plan is that no one will bother to do anything about it and just comply well the law does not work like that as you have rights esp when it comes to personnel data.

        buy law there is no way for them to force you to give them a cv or anything else.

        buy law they can not force you to use there service ie web site and accept the use of cookies thus rendering the site useless.

        so do not use the service and if they send you a tablet send it back or do not sign for it as imo there going to use that as part of the contract between you and them and there could be anything on it software wise to track ur ass 247!

        superted

        June 11, 2021 at 6:16 pm

      • and they will share your data with 3rd partys.

        (b) We may use carefully selected third parties to carry out certain activities to help us provide the Services, such as data hosting and processing.

        3. HOW WE COLLECT THAT INFORMATION
        We collect information about you in three main ways:

        (iv) from your Institution;

        (v) directly from you, such as when you first register to use the Services!!!; and

        (vi) indirectly from you, via the use of Cookies (see clause 4 below) when you browse this website

        (c) You may withdraw your consent to our future processing of your personal data (and stop using the Services) at any time by submitting a request in writing to your Institution or to us at helpdesk@abintegro.com

        so also send them a email telling them you dont want to use there shitty service and have reported them to the ico and see what happens.

        at the end of the day you are the data controller of your data no company can force you to give them anything.

        COOKIE POLICY

        https://reedinpartnership.careercentre.me/cookie/reed-in-partnership

        we cannot guarantee that you will be able to take full advantage of our online services and that security can be guaranteed during your visit.

        superted

        June 11, 2021 at 6:33 pm

  74. Has Michael Gove’s Combat Summer Short been tested for Covid 19 yet !!!!!!

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    June 11, 2021 at 3:08 pm

  75. Recording DWP interaction by the public

    Claimant publishes recording on internet
    In spite of guidance and warning notices about claimants not making
    recordings in open plan public spaces, some may well do so without
    permission and they may occasionally publish videos, photographs, voice
    recordings etc of interviews or conversations with DWP staff on the internet.
    If so they are exceeding the private and domestic use of such information
    permissible under the Data Protection Act 1998. In this event, you should
    write to the claimant adapting the letter below (for example, change the first
    sentence to read; It has come to the attention of the Department that you
    intend to/have published on the internet recordings of your business with
    DWP.)
    Consider contacting the relevant Internet Service Provider (ISP) and ask them
    to remove any such recording. Often the ISP will comply and remove the
    content, though the claimant may still post the recording on a different
    website.

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/recording_dwp_interaction_by_the#comment-98007

    superted

    June 11, 2021 at 4:12 pm

  76. Free tablets to improve lives of thousands of people with learning disabilities
    The £2.5 million Digital Lifeline Fund will provide devices, data and digital support to people with learning disabilities who can’t afford to get online.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/free-tablets-to-improve-lives-of-thousands-of-people-with-learning-disabilities

    they must be using this fund then for the tablets as there not going to pay for them are they as they want all the profits for them self.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/free-tablets-to-improve-lives-of-thousands-of-people-with-learning-disabilities

    superted

    June 11, 2021 at 8:57 pm

  77. another thig is that reed log in portal says Does your browser support JavaScript and is it enabled?

    i have not used that for years for one very simple reason.

    Can JavaScript be hacked?
    One of the most sneaky uses of JavaScript is cross-site scripting (XSS). Simply put, XSS is a vulnerability that allows hackers to embed malicious JavaScript code into an legitimate website, which is ultimately executed in the browser of a user who visits the website.

    One of the most common JavaScript security vulnerabilities is Cross-Site Scripting (XSS). Cross-Site Scripting vulnerabilities enable attackers to manipulate websites to return malicious scripts to visitors. … This JavaScript security issue can lead to account tampering, data theft, fraud and more.

    https://www.veracode.com/security/javascript-security

    https://reedinpartnership.careercentre.me/auth/signin/reed-in-partnership?ck=1

    so no wonder no one can find that site unless you have a direct ink to it

    superted

    June 11, 2021 at 9:07 pm

  78. My CV and My Consent

    Freedom of Information Act: FOI 2306

    Thank you for your Freedom of Information request which we received on 8 August
    2011. In that request, you stated:

    I have read the information you sent to Providers but I am still confused. Whilst not
    strictly a Freedom of Information Act request can you write back to me as a customer of
    the DWP to confirm:

    Providers can only share my CV with third parties when I consent?

    The Department for Work & Pensions (DWP) does not hold information about the specific
    situation that you have detailed in your FOI request. It may be helpful if I explain that welfare to
    work providers hold information on behalf of the DWP, but the DWP remains the data
    controller. The Departments contractual terms and conditions ensure that providers handle
    personal data securely and are in compliance with the regulations of the Data Protection Act.

    The providers are required to comply with these terms and conditions when dealing with DWP
    customer’s information. DWP does not instruct providers on precisely how they should handle
    information only that they should remain compliant. We therefore cannot answer the specific
    question that you raise, other than to repeat that providers must comply with the terms of their
    contract, which includes the handling of personal data.

    If you are unhappy with the approach your provider is taking to any aspect of personal data
    security, you should raise it with your provider in the first instance. All providers are required to
    have effective, accessible complaints procedures with an appeals process if you are not
    satisfied with the response.

    Yours sincerely,

    DWP Central FoI Team

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/80772/response/205417/attach/html/2/FoI%202306%2030.08.11.pdf.html

    superted

    June 11, 2021 at 9:22 pm

  79. Where’s the internet coming from to use this crap tablet?

    Big bird

    June 11, 2021 at 11:53 pm

    • Pimps said they’d pay for it, all so they can raid the european social fund and swizz the taxpayer fecking parasites.

      Cloverleaf

      June 12, 2021 at 4:50 am

      • Can you still claim ESF despite no longer being in the union Cloverleaf ?

        Doug

        June 12, 2021 at 6:30 am

  80. Yes Doug they can still claim ESF.

    Cloverleaf

    June 12, 2021 at 7:11 am

  81. Shock and awe not what it was

    In the first scenes of the outbreak, people panicked and the country was reduced to ghost towns with few cars and fewer people walking the street. By the second the fear had waned yet while cars and people in public grew, the time honored traffic jams were still nowhere to be seen.
    This third time around despite the battle cry of government and media alike warning of doom, all but the presence of masks and two metre stickers littering the floor are the left to remind us we ever had a problem to begin with.

    People, traffic and a complete lack of distance now line our landscape indicating most see not living a life however short and personal economic ruin more a threat than covid could ever be.
    I personally only got furloughed for a very short period when it began and have worked 5/6 days every week since in the thick of it among many strangers, mostly before the vaccine despite being a part of the at risk group yet here i stand despite only just getting my second jab a week ago.

    My story is not unique infact todate still only 6.7% of the entire UK population ever got infected so you have to wonder if our individual circumstances plays a major role, that certain individuals didnt play the game and are responsible for everything. If we go by the one person tells two people who each tell four, etc, people, etc, etc theory then the number of cheaters is so small that we will possibly never find out.

    So what is the storm in the tea cup this time around, why the push for passports and ostracisation at feel good past time and interest events, why not travel only ?

    What a venue holds is nowhere near the foot traffic in our supermarkets where people mix in varied daily patterns. No where near the number of people businesses mix with everyday to maintain and add new customers. Why are we not having passports here where people are most at risk.

    If the government wasnt already inept at its prior handling of the virus, its personal agenda now is even more problematic as it considers legalised ostracisation, data harvesting and the infringement of a persons legal and or inalienable rights in so many areas.

    Beware the wolf dressed in sheep’s clothing, beware those who barter with bearing gifts.

    Doug

    June 12, 2021 at 7:52 am


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