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Half a million Universal Credit claimants hit by tax debt deduction.

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Universal credit: how to claim, and how much you will receive | Consumer  affairs | The Guardian

Half a Million of Them Hit by New Deductions.

But all is far from going well in Universal Credit land, and here’s a further reminder that the system does not just replace JSA and other benefits, but also includes that who used to receive Tax Credits. That is, people in work.

Half a million Universal Credit claimants shocked by sudden tax debt deduction

Carers and frontline workers among those targeted with many people unaware they even owed the money

Birmingham Live reports:

Around half a million people claiming Universal Credit or other benefits have been hit by a sudden tax deduction this year.

They have been targeted as the Government claws back tax credit overpayments from as far back as 17 years ago.

In response to a freedom of information request, the DWP revealed they had been docking payments to Universal Credit claimants because of tax credit overpayments at a rate of 47,000 cases per week this year – effectively wiping out the £20 a week boost given to Universal Credit recipients.

Cuts started on January 18 for people who had newly started claiming Universal Credit for the first time during the pandemic.

Many of the debts being chased are for thousands of pounds. The total amount owed in overpayment of tax credits is estimated to be £6 billion.

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For those still receiving tax credits, the money is taken out of that with 10 per cent to 50 per cent of a person’s payment cut to claw it back, depending on earnings.

For those only on the family element of Child Tax Credits, payments are slashed by 100 per cent, meaning income is stopped completely until the overpayments are cleared.

And for those no longer on tax credits but now on Universal Credit or other state benefits, the debt is taken from those payments. The Department for Work and Pensions can impose deductions on Universal Credit and other benefits to recover third-party debts to HMRC and other organisations.

Only 1 per cent of tax credit overpayments are a result of fraud or negligence by the recipient. In the majority of cases, it’s said to be due to system errors by the HMRC.

Written by Andrew Coates

April 15, 2021 at 3:43 pm

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  1. “the poverty-fighting weapon it was designed to be” ?

    Universal Credit creates and perpetuates poverty!

    trev

    April 15, 2021 at 3:59 pm

  2. What about all the money the nasty b@stards have stolen from benefit claimants through the downright evil sanctions, anyone who gets a penny more than they should and all hell breaks loose but it’s quite alright for them lot to steal taxpayers money to squander on their undeserved lifestyles… f¥cking Liars, Thieves and Murderers!

    Tigerlily

    April 15, 2021 at 4:10 pm

    • The point is though, that even apart from the brutal Sanctions regime, UC is not enough to live on because of the arbitrary deductions for alleged WTC debt/overpayment and deductions for the initial advanced loan payment, leaving people well short of their monthly expenditure. It’s a flawed system from start to finish.

      trev

      April 15, 2021 at 5:16 pm

  3. More than 700,000 renters served with ‘no-fault’ eviction notices since start of Covid

    About 700,000 renters are estimated to have been served with “no-fault” eviction notices since the start of the pandemic, despite a government promise to scrap the practice

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/more-700000-renters-served-no-23919815

    xclausx

    April 15, 2021 at 4:26 pm

  4. Is Ian Duncan Smith a loony? Answers on a postcard please 🤕.

    Cloverleaf

    April 15, 2021 at 4:55 pm

    • Ordinarily, and where UK Social Security is concerned, I would say yes, but he has been standing up for the Uighurs, so there’s a glimmer of Humanity.

      trev

      April 15, 2021 at 5:08 pm

  5. What a shit show UC has become!

    Tim

    April 15, 2021 at 6:03 pm

    • It’s a bloody shambles and really needs sorting out as a matter of priority. Bunging an extra 20 quid temporarily is just a sticking plaster. Trouble is the Tories don’t want to lose face and have sunk too much money into it to scrap it now, even though Covid gave them the perfect solution on a plate; UBI.

      trev

      April 15, 2021 at 6:25 pm

  6. Thousands to be told to attend Jobcentres in person despite advice to work from home

    A DWP spokesperson said: “We take the health and safety of colleagues extremely seriously, and are absolutely committed to ensuring all our sites remain Covid-secure in line with PHE and Government guidance to keep colleagues and customers safe.

    “Covid-secure measures at our sites include strict social distancing, rigorous cleaning regimes and the rolling out of lateral flow testing for colleagues at larger sites.

    “Our return to full opening hours will enable us to provide even more help and support to those who need us.”

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/thousands-told-attend-jobcentres-person-23921613

    xclausx

    April 15, 2021 at 6:17 pm

    • But they neither help nor support anyone. Jobcentres serve no real purpose whatsoever. We can manage perfectly well without them, as the last 12 months have proved.

      trev

      April 15, 2021 at 6:29 pm

      • I think the point about being constantly in debt is the main one.

        People I know in the position of claiming UC when working are already hassled.

        Andrew Coates

        April 15, 2021 at 7:20 pm

      • It seems designed to keep people in debt.

        trev

        April 15, 2021 at 7:38 pm

      • The leopard never changes its spots, and nor does the new-style, combative DWP. Claimants and staff are being put at risk here. Covid-19 has not gone away. But the DWP are paranoid that people have been watching daytime TV, instead of job searching. And they know full well from the 1980s, that once young people start becoming long-term unemployed, it becomes very difficult for them to achieve sustainable employment in the future.

        Jeff Smith

        April 15, 2021 at 7:54 pm

      • @Andrew Coates – As for being in debt, you only have to look at the typical Universal Credit Claimant, who is working, to see the actual reality. Intermittent, short-term minimum wage jobs. A precarious income, that can vary wildly from month to month.( Unlike the older benefit systems ). Uncertainty about what exactly what will be paid each month, until the last minute. Work Coaches harassing claimants to achieve 35 Hours of minimum wage work each month.
        Forcing them to jump from one unrelated short-term job to another. Butcher, Baker, Candle-Stick Maker, as the old saying has it. Once you are on Universal Credit, you have been put on the hamster-wheel of low-paid employment. Think of a giant Work Coach, peering in at you, to make sure you are still running.

        Jeff Smith

        April 15, 2021 at 8:05 pm

      • We know Andrew (already talked about this back then) since it kicked off back in 2013 that a claimant is instantly on an incline whereby only their actions can change the outcome as regards the proposition becoming a decline.

        What we also should have spoke about but now is better than ever is you cant have either without a pivot which in UC case is a variable one (imagine a can of beans on its side with a plank of wood ontop).

        That variable pivot isnt just in the hands of government, its also in the hands of business/industry and as we have witnessed, even a virus.

        So this attitude to expect ones government to know best, to act right no matter the party in power needs to stop and that ever person including claimants need to become proficient in book keeping and accountancy regarding all aspects of their life.
        Claimants that work are the most effected under welfare because their money is most susceptible to change and why the worse off the amount you earn, the more you need to budget weekly as though all your earning is the exact amount of benefit your awarded if you hadn’t. Anything over that you save period stroke period.

        Yes i know a person needs work clothes, travel costs, etc but you alter the budget under the title bare mins.
        You have to consider these things when applying for work and DWP coaches have to accept if the figure goes minus that a particular job vacancy isn’t financially viable.

        It makes no difference if say your coach says “but it would be better once you have two 16 hour jobs”.
        Could is not the same as do and only what is current can be considered when discussing job viability.

        As for being hassled Andrew, i speak from personal experience, even when working such hours as was impossible to attend a DWP interview, i still had to sign into my journal everyday, still even when not taking a penny from welfare, despite paying tax and insurance and pension was obligated to sign an agreement every month (well until i questioned the ethics of it and my claim was closed down by them).
        This is how i know the so called 6 month stay on UC bridge isn’t always favorable dependent on what you work and earn.

        UC isnt geared well to work with working people, especially single people at a certain level of earning not to mention makes no attempt to really help a person get off and on their feet economically speaking.
        But this is where tax and insurance allowances could be changed to accommodate a new group of lesser earners (those not working 37 plus hours or more dependent on family unit. To be honest ive calculated anyone earning less than £25/30’000 a year shouldn’t pay taxes till after clearing £17’000 and nat insurance till after £269 a week while employers continue to contribute at the current level but we all know government wont give us that kind of leg up.

        Doug

        April 16, 2021 at 9:46 am

    • Barclaycard customers have been left furious after the lender confirmed it is slashing spending limits – even for those with impeccable credit histories.

      https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/man-sees-13k-wiped-barclaycard-23925845

      xclausx

      April 16, 2021 at 9:23 pm

      • prepare for impact, bend over and kiss your ass good buy 😉

        superted

        April 16, 2021 at 10:17 pm

  7. superted

    April 15, 2021 at 7:04 pm

    • Of course it’s not over yet, it never will be! This is the new normal. The Genie is out of the bottle and can’t be put back.

      trev

      April 15, 2021 at 7:46 pm

    • Before you know it once cost rings in, the old, the ill and disabled, the unemployed will become the back of the bus as they always are on the vaccination list and be made to shop at different times to the working class and rich, travel on different public transport mandatory.
      Think about it this way,

      If government can mandate vaccinations, testing and passports for certain venues, what argument is there to had for the case of all establishments being mandated.
      If cost which by the sounds of it is going to weigh in yearly does happen, does it not appear that a government, even the working populous would consider it a cheaper alternative to segregate the above mentioned where possible from the majority who are needed to keep the economy turning.

      Even human rights comes with caveats and we’ve all already witnessed the working populous turn on the groups mentioned above before after money became a factor.

      Doug

      April 16, 2021 at 10:00 am

  8. […] Half a million Universal Credit claimants hit by tax debt deduction. […]

  9. ‘It’s understood Jobcentre staff have also been told to bring in some older UC claimants if there is capacity, as well as jobseekers’ allowance claimants who need “re-engagement” or do not have a “claimant commitment”.- Daily Mirror
    Who doesn’t have a Claimant Commitment by now on legacy JSA ?

    George M

    April 15, 2021 at 8:11 pm

    • a cc is a contractual concept so really it does not mean anything under law as it is all expectations so they can tune them to how stupid you are to follow them.

      the sole purpose of a wc is to get you of benefits anyway they can all you are to them is a Christmas bonus.

      superted

      April 15, 2021 at 8:29 pm

      • That’s true. A contract has to be entered into voluntarily between the parties involved and to be legal cannot be compelled or coerced. Which of course is what the CC demands: Sign up or no money. Thing is claimants are supposed to “negotiate” what ends up on the CC and a lot of the worst things can be refused because they are voluntary; most people are too scared and intimidated to do this, afraid that if they piss off the Jobcentre the worse it will be for them, and just accept whatever their Work Coach chooses for them which is a BIG mistake. Everybody should always ask questions and stand up for themselves of risk being steamrollered flat and end up like a leaf blown about randomly by the wind.

        Aleister

        April 16, 2021 at 6:04 am

  10. Did you not read the invisible small print when signing up to Universal Credit !!!

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    April 15, 2021 at 8:22 pm

  11. Universal Credit’s success is in its failure !!!

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    April 15, 2021 at 8:22 pm

    • That is a profound comment Stepping, and one that merits considerable reflection.

      Jeff Smith

      April 16, 2021 at 11:42 am

  12. Reblogged this on Tory Britain! .

    A6er

    April 15, 2021 at 8:50 pm

  13. I think that Universal Credit is the only social security anywhere in the world that helps the poorest and most vulnerable least and the less poor and less vulnerable most, because of the debt it drives the most needy into and deductions made from already inadequate benefits in order to claw monies “loaned” back. Because of debt to the DWP the poorest claimants, after deductions, receive less money to live on than the law says is necessary for those without such debt. What kind of social security is that? Such a system is surely the antithesis of a properly functioning social security system by definition.

    Aleister

    April 16, 2021 at 5:57 am

    • Tories hate the notion of Social Security and despise the poor, so they have deliberately wrecked the system and made it dysfunctional by design to punish the poor and deter anyone from claiming State Benefits.

      trev

      April 17, 2021 at 11:05 am

  14. Cloverleaf

    April 16, 2021 at 10:47 am

    • That’s decades of brainwashing for you, don’t think for yourself, don’t question anything, trust authority, follow the herd, etc, etc!

      Tigerlily

      April 16, 2021 at 1:23 pm

      • That’s not all, I’ve just seen a tv advert for a Ford car accompanied by a verse from the Four Horsemen from the early 70s concept album ‘666’ by Aphrodite’s Child, surely a blatant announcement that the end is nigh.

        trev

        April 16, 2021 at 6:48 pm

      • dont look up. ufo are real now lmfao

        superted

        April 16, 2021 at 7:20 pm

      • There’s also the footage of the “tic-tac” UFOs filmed by the US Navy in recent years and declassified by the Pentagon. A Top Brass Pentagon insider described it as a “demonic presence”!

        trev

        April 17, 2021 at 11:10 am

  15. It is very wrong that claimants and Work Coaches are being put at increased risk of infection, by being forced to attend the Jobcentre. But sadly typical of the ruthless attitudes of the DWP.

    Jeff Smith

    April 16, 2021 at 11:47 am

  16. Taiwan Shuts Down Farms To Build More iPhones-Destruction Of Food Supply!

    Tigerlily

    April 16, 2021 at 1:51 pm

  17. trev

    April 17, 2021 at 4:39 pm

  18. UK Government advisors call for more lockdowns💤

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/uk-government-advisors-call-more-lockdowns

    Cloverleaf

    April 17, 2021 at 5:06 pm

    • People are not following the rules. I know for a fact that groups of people from more than two households are meeting at the pub and are not 2 metres apart.

      Meanwhile….

      Covid-19 deaths pass three million worldwide

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-56783878

      trev

      April 17, 2021 at 6:09 pm

  19. and 100s of millions die each year anyway and covid deaths are the same as a bad flue season because that is what it is a virus and not a hcid.

    https://ourworldindata.org/births-and-deaths

    and in 1991-1992-1993 the population was less yet the death rate was the same as last year and higher in 1 year and nothing was done.

    the tory government has used this to get the emergency powers passed and now they dont want to give them back it is as simple as that and they lie about everything anyway.

    so more lock downs are coming because deaths dont count it is all about more testing and more cases now and as soon as they go up like they do every year just in time for them to get it passed again for another 6 months in September.

    and that’s when the shit will hit the fan big time.

    the nhs gets 1 billion.

    man in china gets 3 billion for testing kits that are useless.

    and 37 billion for a track and trace app that does not work and has been banned buy apple and google from any more updates because of gdpr.

    and how the fuck can you spend 37 billion on a app it is a fkn joke and show me where all this money has gone because it does not add up at all and like everything follow the money!

    superted

    April 17, 2021 at 7:08 pm

  20. And you have the audacity to call me a “slimeball” ?
    There is something seriously wrong with you and you need to see a Psychiatrist, please get in touch with your GP ASAP.

    trev

    April 17, 2021 at 10:09 pm

    • Scotland belongs to the Europeans.

      trev

      April 17, 2021 at 10:46 pm

    • A diagnosis can only be made if the person is aged 18 years or older and at least 3 of the following criteria apply:

      repeatedly breaking the law
      repeatedly being deceitful
      being impulsive or incapable of planning ahead
      being irritable and aggressive
      having a reckless disregard for their safety or the safety of others
      being consistently irresponsible
      lack of remorse

      looks like part of a work coaches application form pmsl.

      superted

      April 17, 2021 at 11:11 pm

    • zamo887878

      April 17, 2021 at 11:50 pm

  21. “The earth is one country and mankind its citizens”
    – Baháʼu’lláh

    trev

    April 18, 2021 at 10:43 am

    • Universal Credit: What people in Wales say it’s like having to survive on the benefit
      ‘I’ve been late paying my rent three or four times now. It’s really embarrassing even though it’s not your fault’

      “There were plenty of times [since 2020] where I’d have to go to a food bank and I felt like my options were running out. I had suicidal thoughts because I felt like there was no way out.”

      These are the words of Lauren Daw, a first-year student from Cardiff who said her life had become a nightmare as she sought financial support through the Universal Credit (UC) system.

      https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/universal-credit-what-people-wales-20404522

      Andrew Coates

      April 18, 2021 at 6:13 pm

      • I read that article earlier, and it’s quite a lengthy one for a news site, includes several other such horror stories but also says something about many people praise the new system (UC) which I find hard to believe.

        trev

        April 18, 2021 at 6:31 pm

  22. trev

    April 18, 2021 at 10:50 am

  23. Government leaders indicted for crimes against humanity in the international court.

    http://stateofthenation.co/?p=61014

    Cloverleaf

    April 18, 2021 at 10:54 am

    • What “international court” is that ?

      trev

      April 18, 2021 at 11:40 am

  24. I haven’t got the foggiest.

    Cloverleaf

    April 18, 2021 at 12:02 pm

  25. Modern browsers often won’t load anything from sites without certificates using the hypertext transfer protocol. Mine doesn’t and so I can see most of the images posted above, which is probably no bad thing considering who’s posting them. Just saying because zamo887878 is wasting his/her time posting links to sites because no folk with secure systems will be able to see them. Just sayin’.

    Aleister

    April 18, 2021 at 12:46 pm

    • You’re not missing anything. Zammo aka suebi aka Billy Boyne (“lifelong Rangers fan”) is the same neo-Nazi nutjob that has bedevilled this blog for quite some time with far-Right Nazi images and comments, and impersonating other users. He’s got a screw loose yet still wants us to play with him. He has also been abusive on Comrade Coatesy’s other blog too.

      trev

      April 18, 2021 at 1:16 pm

      • Ah! Well that explains the lack of certificates, which almost all respectable websites possess, to enable packets to transfer using secure sockets. As you say that pretty much always signal a lack of worth insofar as content is concerned; websites hosted on dodgy insecure servers are normally never worth bothering with.

        Aleister

        April 18, 2021 at 4:55 pm

  26. How much is the 77th Brigade paying you trev ?

    zamo887878

    April 18, 2021 at 1:19 pm

  27. Wired argues that the work of 77th Brigade is not dissimilar to that of the Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group (JTRIG), a division of GCHQ that specialises in disinformation.

    NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden was first to expose the work of JTRIG. Wired asserts that JTRIG’s arsenal includes “posting negative information on internet forums”

    https://www.thecanary.co/exclusive/2019/11/17/a-secretive-propaganda-unit-is-manipulating-our-social-media-but-its-not-russian/

    Are trev, Jeff Smith, Stepping Razor sock puppets ?

    zamo887878

    April 18, 2021 at 1:27 pm

  28. Johnson won’t confirm May 17th reopening.

    Cloverleaf

    April 18, 2021 at 1:36 pm

    • “What is there to not understand Boris?”

      How about the double-mutation Indian variant that is decimating India, has turned up in UK, and may derail the end of lockdown plans?

      trev

      April 18, 2021 at 6:48 pm

    • Cobblers!

      Tim

      April 18, 2021 at 6:06 pm

    • You’re really scraping the conspiracy barrel now Tigerlily. By using the term “Genocide” you/they undermine real incidents of actual Genocide that have taken place around the world. If you don’t want to be vaccinated that’s ok, you don’t have to go over board attempting to justify your decision, as barmy as it seems to others.

      trev

      April 18, 2021 at 6:43 pm

  29. Take it one day at a time DWP all these over confident Universal Credit plans now that lockdown has been lifted.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    April 18, 2021 at 7:15 pm

    • Exactly Stepping, I’m taking it with a pinch of salt because anything could happen yet. Jobcentre told me one more phone appointment then after that back to normal signing appointments in the Jobcentre as of 11th May (for me). Well maybe they’ll be out on strike by then, or back under Lockdown, or the world has stopped turning, or Martians have invaded, or Project Bluebeam will be underway. I’ll believe it when I m sitting there in the Jobcentre.

      trev

      April 18, 2021 at 8:15 pm

      • @trev- And that’s assuming that they are real Work Coaches, and not reptilian aliens in disguise.

        Jeff Smith

        April 18, 2021 at 9:44 pm

  30. Figure 3: Deaths from all causes were below the five-year average in Week 13

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending2april2021#deaths-registered-in-the-uk

    if lock downs work why was most of the virus deaths in lock down.

    COVID-19: Lockdown is main reason for drop in coronavirus cases and deaths – not vaccinations, says Boris Johnson

    yeah he is full of shit and the ons is there data boris is like a work coach that cant tell the truth so lies about everything.

    the death rate for covid Age-standardised
    mortality rate
    (per 100,000
    population)

    1,043.50

    the death rate was over or near the same from 1990-2010 as each year was over 1000 with a lower population!.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsintheukfrom1990to2020

    so if i removed all the dates from that link what year would you say was the pandemic cos if you picked the highest deaths per 100.000 you would be wrong.

    now go fact check that 😉

    superted

    April 18, 2021 at 7:44 pm

    • If Lockdowns are Needed, Why Did More People Die in U.S. States Which Locked Down Than Those Which Did Not?

      https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/04/18/if-lockdowns-are-needed-why-did-more-people-die-in-us-states-which-locked-down-than-those-which-did-not/

      zamo887878

      April 18, 2021 at 7:53 pm

      • because out of all the time humans have been on earth we have never found a cure for viruses let alone control one and it has never worked not once.

        and out of all the dieses we have eradicated a massive 2 small pox and polio.

        maybe the lock downs were for us to alll stay in and not see all the UFOs invading pmsl.

        and where did this come from go science 😉

        superted

        April 18, 2021 at 8:14 pm

      • @superted- That simply isn’t true. What about the many effective vaccines that have been developed ?
        For measles, polio, smallpox, tetanus,malaria, leprosy, and many more ? All of these were once serious health problems, cured and in many cases eradicated, by medical scie

        Jeff Smith

        April 18, 2021 at 9:55 pm

      • because like i said only 2 have been eradicated! are small pox and polio so far and no more cases but cant be said of malaria ect

        In 2019, there were an estimated 229 million cases of malaria worldwide.

        https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/malaria

        does the covid vaccine stop you from getting it nope does it stop you from transmitting it nope will it last for ever nope so it is fkn useless like boris said and lock downs are better which is also bs as the ons shows.

        rna vaccines were never licensed for use becose the technology did not work and was developed in 1989 yet has never been licensed for use wonder why.

        Up until 2020, these mRNA biotech companies had poor results testing mRNA drugs for cardiovascular, metabolic and renal diseases; selected targets for cancer; and rare diseases like Crigler–Najjar syndrome, with most finding that the side-effects of the mRNA delivery methods were too serious.[24][25] mRNA vaccines for human use have been developed and tested for the diseases rabies, Zika, cytomegalovirus, and influenza, although these mRNA vaccines have not been licensed.[26] Many large pharmaceutical companies abandoned the technology,[24] while some biotechs re-focused on the less profitable area of vaccines, where the doses would be at lower levels and side-effects reduced

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_vaccine

        if this vaccine is so good why was it not given decades ago, because it does not work!

        superted

        April 18, 2021 at 10:21 pm

      • American states had wildly different attitudes as per dealing with coronavirus. Ever heard of population density? Oh, look! Alaska had a lower death rate than New York and New Jersey! Why could be you suppose? Could it be that New York and New Jersey have some of the highest population densities and Alaska the lowest out of all of the 50 states that make up the USA?

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_and_territories_of_the_United_States_by_population_density

        Tim

        April 19, 2021 at 10:13 am

  31. I understand that ’88’ means “Heil Hitler” but was does ’78’ denote? Do tell us zamo887878, and tell us why you think it’s suitable to use such disgusting numerical codes on the internet.

    https://smallstepsconsultants.com/the-far-right-threat/spotting-far-right-codes

    https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/88

    trev

    April 18, 2021 at 8:07 pm

    • @trev: Why does the far-right hide behind these obscure codes ? And what are they doing on a blog about welfare and unemployment issues ?

      George M

      April 18, 2021 at 9:58 pm

      • @ George

        These people are perverted psychopaths who are desperate for attention yet feel empowered both by remaining aloof and being antisocial. At best merely disruptive and annoying, at worst potentially dangerous.

        And on that note I’ll unsubscribe from this thread.

        trev

        April 18, 2021 at 10:41 pm

      • zamo887878

        April 18, 2021 at 11:02 pm

    • 88 = Hail Hail, a Celtic F.C. saying.

      zamo887878

      April 18, 2021 at 10:16 pm

    • And as you are well aware trev :

      https://www.color-hex.com/color/887878

      zamo887878

      April 18, 2021 at 10:28 pm

  32. ’78’ denotes the year that Rhodesia’s prime minister Ian Smith and three black leaders agree on the transfer to black majority rule. In ’78’ AD the origin of Saka Era (India). Happy days indeed. Watermelons all round.

    zamo887878

    April 18, 2021 at 10:25 pm

  33. Slightly off topic, but this story has finally hit the mainstream, or picked up by the been anyway….

    Job centre workers ‘feel unsafe returning to work’

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56795862

    With a bit of luck they’ll be out on strike and all appointments cancelled.

    trev

    April 19, 2021 at 8:14 am

    • ‘beeb’ not “been” ! Bloody predictive text!!!!

      trev

      April 19, 2021 at 8:17 am

    • @trev- None of the 18-24 age group, at which this recall to signing-on seems to be mainly targeted, have been vaccinated yet ! So this is an additional risk for claimants and DWP staff alike.

      Jeff Smith

      April 19, 2021 at 12:05 pm

      • That’s very true Jeff, none of the 18 – 30 yr olds will have been vaccinated yet. I’m supposedly back in the Jobcentre on 11th May but I think it might change, I’ll have to wait and see.

        trev

        April 19, 2021 at 2:05 pm

  34. @superted, You are wrong about the effectiveness of the vaccines that Jeff Smith mentions above. They have been a very effective treatment for many diseases, which anyone with common-sense can see.
    And you confuse treatment with eradication. A vaccine is used to treat a disease, to prevent serious outcomes or death. It does not claim to eradicate the actual source of the infection. If you don’t have a polio vaccination and you contract polio, you will be crippled by it. But if you contract polio after having the polio vaccination, then you will be unaffected. Many people in Africa today are needlessly crippled by polio, when a simple shot of the vaccine, would give them lifetime immunity.
    You need to think about why you are refusing the vaccine Superted. And why you think it is acceptable to be posting these false anti-vaccination theories on this blog.

    George M

    April 19, 2021 at 12:20 pm

    • superted

      April 19, 2021 at 12:55 pm

      • Looks like Jackboot Johnson is preparing us for another lockdown crafty sod, this shit won’t end any time soon.

        Cloverleaf

        April 19, 2021 at 1:10 pm

      • A recent government report states that the majority of the deaths in the Third Wave will come from the vaccinated, this will be blamed on the kids and unvaccinated!

        Tigerlily

        April 19, 2021 at 1:23 pm

    • Recent polio cases arise from two sources, the original ‘wild’ poliovirus (WPV), and mutated oral vaccine strains, so-called circulating vaccine-derived poliovirus (cVDPV). There were 140 diagnosed WPV cases worldwide in 2020, a decrease from 2019’s 5-year high, an 81% reduction from the 719 diagnosed cases in 2000 and a 99.96% reduction from the estimated 350,000 cases when the eradication effort began in 1988. Of the three strains of WPV, the last recorded wild case caused by type 2 (WPV2) was in 1999, and WPV2 was declared eradicated in 2015. Type 3 (WPV3) is last known to have caused polio in 2012, and was declared eradicated in 2019.[7] All wild-virus cases since that date have been due to type 1 (WPV1). Vaccines against each of the three types have given rise to emergent strains of cVDPV, with cVDPV2 being most prominent, and such strains caused over 1000 polio cases in 2020

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_eradication#:~:text=Of%20the%20three%20strains%20of,to%20type%201%20(WPV1).

      Following the introduction of polio immunisation, cases fell rapidly to very low levels. The last outbreak of indigenous poliomyelitis was in the late 1970s. The last case of natural polio infection acquired in the UK was in 1984.

      Click to access Green-Book-Chapter-26-Polio-updated-18-January-2013.pdf

      covid deaths in my age range with nothing wrong with them is 101
      https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathswithnounderlyinghealthconditionsbrokendownbyage

      superted

      April 19, 2021 at 1:05 pm

    • @ George M

      True. Plus besides preventing serious illness the second and possibly most important effect of mass vaccination is to hugely reduce the number of people, asymptomatic and outwardly unaffected by the virus, who harbour the virus in their bodies allowing it to mutate, evolve and develop into new more resistant strains to current vaccines which are even more infectious and deadlier. In 1918 Spanish Flu, which ought to be called American Flu really as it evolved and began in the USA, swept around the world and killed something like 50 million people. The last thing we want is for any virus to develop into something as lethal as that and vaccination is the only feasible way to slash the risk of something like that happening other than a permanent lockdown.

      Tim

      April 19, 2021 at 3:03 pm

    • Parasitic face worms? I don’t recall that being mentioned in the Revelation of St. John.

      trev

      April 19, 2021 at 2:09 pm

  35. well i have another phone appointment in 4 weeks time and said have no idea when jsa claimants were going to be called back in as doing the 18-24 year old’s on uc to get the signed up to the ass kicker programme.

    superted

    April 19, 2021 at 1:17 pm

    • @superted

      It’s exactly the same at my JCP with the 18-24 group. I was also given a choice, I could either continue with the telephone appointments or I could come back in for the old face-to-face work search reviews. Guess which one I opted for!

      jj joop

      April 19, 2021 at 1:25 pm

      • well they did not want me in the jcp in the last few years anyway and went out there way to empty the office for my signing time as cant send me anywhere anymore so imo going after the easy targets first and get them dumped down a provider for 6 months making pictures out of bog roll.

        but was also told i wont be sent to the new pop up jcp as it is not for legacy claimants.

        superted

        April 19, 2021 at 1:30 pm

    • lmfao 😉

      superted

      April 19, 2021 at 1:48 pm

      • Surely the civilized way to solve their differences would have been a arm-wrestling match, but if a pub landlord ever talked to me like that I’d have told him where to stick his fucking pub.

        trev

        April 19, 2021 at 2:16 pm

      • The landlord has every right to be bloody angry, he’s had his business and life trashed all for the fooking flu, Starmer is a NWO puppet and couldn’t give a flying fook about people losing their businesses or their lives, evil b@stard!

        Tigerlily

        April 19, 2021 at 3:59 pm

      • Tigerlily, if that landlord got whacked over the head with a bottle by a drunken customer he would expect to be taken to hospital in an ambulance and treated in A&E courtesy of the NHS, the same NHS that was being protected from being overwhelmed by lockdown restrictions during the pandemic when they were over run with Covid patients. And in any case it’s not Starmer to blame.

        trev

        April 19, 2021 at 4:45 pm

      • It will be interesting to see if the PCS union does go on strike over this return to Jobcentres. Unfortunately they have a track record of capitulating at the last minute.

        Jeff Smith

        April 19, 2021 at 4:59 pm

      • trev’s Modus Operandi

        zamo887878

        April 19, 2021 at 5:11 pm

      • I thought Keir Starmer handled this with dignity. It’s just a shame he is 19 points behind the Tories in the polls.

        Jeff Smith

        April 19, 2021 at 5:39 pm

  36. Is it a coincidence that trev’s avatar looks like a double armed Swastika ?

    zamo887878

    April 19, 2021 at 2:56 pm

    • You’re only jealous Billy you neo-Nazi numbskull.

      trev

      April 19, 2021 at 3:12 pm

  37. First time I’ve seen a green swastika lol.

    Cloverleaf

    April 19, 2021 at 3:06 pm

  38. Am I right in thinking that 2026 is the current year when Universal Credit is supposed to have finally been rolled out completely and legacy benefits abolished? I’m just wondering when Housing Benefit is set to become rolled into Pension Credit for the retired. The completion date keeps being moved further and further into the future and so I’m not quite sure when the roll out is supposed to be completed.

    Aleister

    April 19, 2021 at 3:09 pm

    • @Aleister – Yes, I believe it is 2026 now ( after many revisions ). At least this is the general target date. But remember this date was estimated before the current pandemic. And the effects of this on the speed of the roll-out still have to be factored into the final date. The Managed Migration of legacy claimants will not even begin until April 2022. Then the first 10,000 in the Pilot Programme have to be migrated, parliament has to pass new legislation to allow the remaining 2 million legacy claimants to be transferred. A long and complicated process. It took 3 years to complete the final roll-out of Universal Credit , one Jobcentre at a time.
      If they have to do the same with all the legacy JSA claimants, and the more complicated disabled transfers from ESA, then who knows ? With the DWP stretched to breaking point, and nearly 6 million on Universal Credit, with more to come in September, when the furlough scheme ends, it doesn’t look good even for 2026.
      As for Housing Benefit, as you say, this is due to be abolished in the long term for Pension Credit claimants.
      Instead, they will receive a ‘housing element’ payment, as part of their Pension Credit.
      So in the end, being on Pension Credit will be just another part of the Universal Credit system. It’s just that someone on Pension Credit will be in the ‘no work requirements’ section of Universal Credit. They won’t have to attend the Jobcentre, do any signing-on or look for work. And they will automatically receive the housing element, if they claim it, every month with their Pension Credit. As to date for this ? Probably after they have transferred all the legacy claimants. So at least 2026, plus a couple of years more, 2028 for everything ?

      Jeff Smith

      April 19, 2021 at 5:31 pm

  39. DWP: Universal Credit fears as Jobcentre staff may go on strike
    Many Jobcentre workers do not feel safe going into an office after they reopened fully last week, a union has said as it warned of industrial action over the issue.

    https://www.hertfordshiremercury.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/dwp-universal-credit-fears-jobcentre-5314385

    superted

    April 19, 2021 at 3:56 pm

    • That wasn’t in the Work Coach Job Interview.

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      April 19, 2021 at 5:34 pm

      • The DWP invent a new invisible face mask for all their staff,

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        April 19, 2021 at 5:37 pm

      • The only logical reason they would insist on fully reopening is because management’s obsession with sanctioning vulnerable claimants.

        it will be like the end of the work programme and will use every excuse to get a sanction doubt raised and passed.

        superted

        April 19, 2021 at 5:40 pm

  40. The DWP are like a propaganda machine Twitting about the next bit of DWP propaganda.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    April 19, 2021 at 5:32 pm


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