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“Uplifted” SoS for Work and Pensions. 

This story has just appeared on the Guardian site – a paper that should be recommended for not taking its eye of the ball on the issue of Universal Credit.

When first asked to extend free school meals over the holidays, the British government pointed to its “uplift” to universal credit of £20 per week. The media dutifully mentioned the “uplift”, but when did it become impermissible to say simply “raise” or “increase”?


It was the American writer Nathaniel Parker Willis, friend of Edgar Allan Poe, who first used “uplift” as a compound noun in 1845, in a poem describing the baby prophet Nathan’s presentation to King David: “His brow / Had the inspired up-lift of the king’s.” In the following decade geologists described how land could be subject to “uplift” over time. Not until the mid-20th century was it adopted in business to mean (at first) an increase in prices, and therefore profits – as in the fees charged to the government by Serco.

Perhaps the government hopes that by causing everyone to refer to an “uplift” in universal credit, they will seed the idea that their policies are uplifting in the happy-making sense (from the late 19th century). Meanwhile scientists have been keeping a close eye in recent years on “uplifts” in Yellowstone Park, caused by fresh magma deep in the supervolcano. A new mega-eruption would surely be very 2020.

I suppose Yankee Doodle Dandies are now running our benefits system.

This below shows what life is really like for the ‘uplifted’ claimants.

It  is a very high percentage.

Families hit by Covid-19 face debt as universal credit doesn’t cover housing costs

The rents alone in London are beyond belief to start with.

Here is some more news:

Written by Andrew Coates

November 4, 2020 at 4:09 pm

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  1. Regulator refuses to criticise DWP over misleading universal credit statistics

    By John Pring on 22nd October 2020

    The UK statistics regulator has refused to criticise work and pensions ministers even though they have repeatedly breached its code of conduct by misleading parliament about the impact of universal credit (UC) on disabled people.

    Ministers including work and pensions secretary Therese Coffey and Justin Tomlinson (pictured), the minister for disabled people, have stated on several occasions that around one million disabled households will receive a higher entitlement under UC than they would have received under the previous “legacy” benefits system.

    But every time they repeat the figure, they fail to say how many disabled households are expected to lose out when UC is finally rolled out.

    Disability News Service (DNS) first approached the Office for Statistics Regulation (OSR) about the failure nearly three months ago, after DWP refused to release the figures in its response to a freedom of information request.

    Since that first contact, OSR has repeatedly attempt to excuse and defend ministers’ misleading use of the figures.

    At first, it argued that the information used by ministers came from an “unpublished policy impact assessment” and that DWP “has confirmed that it does not have the data to provide the actual numbers impacted by the policy”.

    It later suggested that as the impact assessment was “unpublished” OSR did not know “if it included any estimate of the number of disabled people who would lose out from the move to Universal Credit”.

    Tomlinson told Labour MP Neil Coyle in a written answer earlier this month that “millions of people who move onto Universal Credit from legacy benefits will be better off, including around a million disabled households who will gain on average around £100 per month”.

    Apparently as a result of DNS’s discussions with OSR, he referred this time to a 2011 equality impact assessment which still “stands overall”, although he said that “major changes” to UC had also been subjected to later impact assessments.

    The 2011 assessment, updated in November 2011 (PDF), states that, even though many disabled households would gain under UC, “it is likely that the average change in entitlement for disabled households would in fact be closer to zero”.

    This suggests – although it is likely that the figures repeatedly quoted by ministers are taken from an impact assessment that was carried out in later years – that there will be multiple winners and losers from the UC rollout among disabled households, as has always been assumed by campaigners.

    The 2011 document strongly suggests that ministers have repeatedly misled MPs about the impact of UC on disabled households by only quoting the winners, and ignoring the losers.

    OSR also argued in its lengthy discussions with DNS that it was “outside our remit to comment on data in Impact Assessments”.

    But this does not appear to be true.

    Although OSR sets standards for “official statistics” – which do not cover impact assessments – it also oversees voluntary application of its code of practice, which is for “any producer of data, statistics and analysis which are not official statistics”.

    This should mean that it is within its remit to criticise DWP over the use of data from impact assessments by ministers.

    DNS has now asked OSR 12 times if it will criticise DWP over its misleading use of figures relating to disabled people and the rollout of UC.

    By noon today (Thursday), it had failed to do so.

    A DWP spokesperson declined to answer questions about the figures, and he advised DNS to submit another freedom of information request.

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    November 4, 2020 at 4:24 pm

  2. DWP Press Release – 3rd Nov 2020

    Benefit sanctions statistics

    Statistics on the number of sanctions imposed on people who receive JSA, ESA (WRAG), IS or Universal Credit.

    Suspension of UC sanction durations and median statistics

    UC sanction duration and median sanction length statistics will be suspended in the next release of benefit sanctions statistics (due to be published on 10 November 2020). This is because the methodology used to create these statistics is not performing as expected, and further in depth investigations are underway. We aim to publish these statistics on 15 December 2020. We will provide an update on progress on this page in 3 weeks’ time.

    UC rate methodology and suspension of UC live service element of the rate

    Initial investigation into the UC full service rate code and methodology – with the intent of including open sanctions in the rate – has highlighted that the methodology currently used to calculate the UC rate differs from that described in previous published statistics, with open sanctions already being included in the measure for UC full service. As the rate already includes open sanctions, no further work is required to improve this aspect of the methodology. As we are currently still investigating if this is also the case for UC live service we are removing UC live service from the rate and will publish UC full service only rate from April 2019. We will reinstate the UC live service rate as soon as possible, following the finalisation of investigations and successful completion of quality assurance processes.

    Statistics covering the initial period of COVID-19

    Statistics covered in this bulletin include data for sanction decisions during the initial period of the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic. Although legislative changes to temporarily disapply work-search and work availability requirements came into effect on 30 March 2020 (in response to the pandemic), some sanction decisions for these types of failures could have been made later than this date because decisions are often made and processed after the date that the claimant failure occurred. This means that it was possible for sanction decisions to be recorded after legislation changes came into effect, in instances where a claimant prior to 30 March 2020 has failed to meet the work requirements set out in their claimant commitment. Additionally, sanction decisions were also possible for some failures which occurred after this date, for example, for leaving a job voluntarily without good reason or for misconduct. This impacts the data for UC and JSA sanctions.

    Change in trend of JSA sanction decisions

    Over the course of 2019, some decisions were put on hold for JSA sanction referrals made under the reason of “failure to attend a place on a training scheme or employment programme without good reason”. This was to allow for changes to handling procedures to be developed. After developments had been implemented, these outstanding JSA sanction referrals were processed. This resulted in a temporary increase in JSA sanction decisions in the early months of 2020.

    Universal Credit live service data

    New claims to Universal Credit live service ceased in January 2018, and since then the remaining live service cases have been gradually migrated to Universal Credit full service. This has resulted in a gradual decrease in the number of live service sanction decisions. At the end of March 2019, the systems that were used to administer live service cases were shut down. Due to this, data for any original Universal Credit live service sanction decisions has been frozen from this point.

    Universal Credit claims data

    The live service Universal Credit sanctions data from January to April 2018 is incomplete. This has had an effect on the data for a limited number of live service claims. The issue has now been resolved, but there is no reliable method for recovering the missing data. This means that the statistics on live service sanctions for this period should be treated with caution.

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    November 4, 2020 at 4:29 pm

    • “This is because the methodology used to create these statistics is not performing as expected, and further in depth investigations are underway.”

      Investigating like the Universal Credit Track & Trace System !!!

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      November 4, 2020 at 4:31 pm

  3. A very uplifting post.

    UC claimants received an “uplift”, but JSA claimants by comparison received a kick in the teeth, not even a “handout” (another strange term for legally entitled State Benefits), a ‘standstill’ equivalent to a ‘shove-down’. The editors of the OED will be busy updating their list of new words to be added to the English language, and the rules of Scrabble may have to change.


    November 4, 2020 at 4:31 pm

  4. Or perhaps the opposite of uplifted is downtrodden?


    November 4, 2020 at 4:34 pm

  5. Guardian – 1st Nov 2020

    Half a million tenants in the UK battle to pay rent due to benefit cap

    Families hit by Covid-19 face debt as universal credit doesn’t cover housing costs

    Almost half a million low-income tenants who are claiming universal credit – many of whom were forced to apply for the benefit during the pandemic – are struggling to pay rent because it only covers the cheapest third of rents in each part of the country.

    New analysis by Generation Rent suggests 474,000 tenants in the UK currently face a shortfall between their universal credit housing payments and their actual market rents, including 91,904 people in the north west of England which has particularly badly hit by coronavirus.

    The typical rent for a two-bedroom flat in Manchester, which is under the most severe tier three Covid restrictions, is £850 a month but the most a family in the city can claim is £598 – a shortfall of £3,020 a year. In Birmingham, the gap is £1,795 a year for a similar-sized property while in Nottingham the gap is £1,424.

    Every region has seen substantial increases in tenants applying for universal credit since March. The number seeking help in the north west increased by just over a third in the first three months of the pandemic, with 46% of renters in the region now reliant on state support. In London, there has been a doubling of tenants claiming universal credit, with 40% of households in privately rented accommodation in the capital receiving the benefit.

    The analysis indicates a further 403,000 working renters could be made redundant or see their income drop in the coming months after the end of the original furlough scheme at midnight on Saturday night and as more businesses are forced to close under public health restrictions. Many more people would then become dependent on universal credit housing payments to keep their homes.

    Will Lewis applied for universal credit after he lost his job as a chef in September. Lewis – whose name has been changed because he fears his landlord’s reaction – already owes hundreds of pounds because his £1,200 universal credit housing payment does not cover the £1,460 rent for the small, two-bedroom flat he shares with his partner and two young children in Haringey, north London.

    “We are about £260 a month short on rent and that’s with cutting back on our food budget and spending almost nothing on clothes,” he said. “We’ve bought the kids some school uniform and that’s it – normally coming into winter we would buy them some new winter clothes but that can’t happen this year. It makes me feel inadequate.”

    Lewis is worried this could lead to the couple running up large, unmanageable debts and eventually losing their home. “Our landlord is not great – I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s already put something into the courts,” he said. “We can’t risk being evicted because we haven’t got the money for a deposit.”

    He has tried to speak to his landlord and his associates numerous times, as recommended by the government, but they have refused to either drop the rent or agree a repayment plan. “There are too many people out there that just want money,” Lewis said.

    Generation Rent called on the government to suspend evictions for arrears and ensure that the housing element of universal credit covers median rents in each part of the country. Alicia Kennedy, the campaign’s director, warned that the government would end up presiding over “mass impoverishment” unless it provided more assistance to tenants. “Thousands of renters started claiming universal credit at the start of the pandemic and have found that it is nowhere near enough to cover the rent they owe,” she said.

    She added that the end of the government’s furlough scheme had left many worrying about how they will keep their heads above water. “More than a million employees are at risk of redundancy and a quarter of them are private renters,” she said.

    A government spokesperson said: “We’ve taken unprecedented action to protect renters, including a six-month ban on evictions and have increased local housing allowance rates, benefiting more than one million households by £600 a year on average.

    “We’ve also raised universal credit by £1,040 a year, and a further £180m of discretionary housing payments are available for those who need additional support.”

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    November 4, 2020 at 4:36 pm

    • The Landlords are laughing all the way to the Bank. My landlady’s daughter turns up to collect rents in a brand new Range Rover, her mother used to drive a soft-top Mercedes. Can’t be bad. They own hundreds of properties in the wider area, some working tenants paying rent, many others on Housing Benefit. They do necessary repairs but never do anything to ‘uplift’ or modernize the properties. I don’t even have adequate heating in my flat.


      November 4, 2020 at 4:45 pm

      • I wrote this part of the comment because of knowing directly how much it costs to live in a flat in London.

        Somebody, family, pays about half her wages in rent. She works for the NHS. She lives in a part of Tottenham – not a posh area and not a posh bit by any possible standards – when I was a teenager in North London we considered it about as rough as you could get.

        It has not ‘gentrified’.

        Andrew Coates

        November 4, 2020 at 7:19 pm

      • Super-rich elites making London ‘off-limits’



        November 4, 2020 at 7:39 pm

      • They want all London’s out of their Council Flats because it is real prime estate wealth in housing. £500,000 for a 1 bedroom shit hole in Hackney.

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        November 4, 2020 at 8:19 pm

  6. 2. Transitional element up to £405 added
    Extra sums of £120, £285 or £405 are being added to a person’s regular Universal Credit payout, if they are eligible.

    Legislation bringing about the change was signed on October 8 by Justin Tomlinson, a DWP Minister.

    Many will have received the top-up last month, if they get their Universal Credit on or after that date. But those whose Universal Credit is paid on a date before the eighth of the month will start getting it during November instead.

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    November 4, 2020 at 4:41 pm

  7. Rishi Sunak consistently voted for a reduction in spending on welfare benefits



    November 4, 2020 at 5:20 pm

  8. Reblogged this on Tory Britain!.


    November 4, 2020 at 5:57 pm

  9. These people claiming Universal Credit through top ups or whatever, that are on furlough seem not to be paying bedroom tax. Why is that some able bodied people have special needs?

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    November 4, 2020 at 6:09 pm

    • You would have to be in receipt of Housing Benefit to be subject to Bedroom Tax (where applicable) in the form of a shortfall in HB, therefore it only applies to those in rented accommodation, not to those with a mortgage or who own their house.


      November 4, 2020 at 7:44 pm

      • That is very unfair. So the well off get all the benefits of the benefits systems while to others have to pay for it. How about selling your house if you can’t afford to live !!!

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        November 4, 2020 at 8:16 pm

      • the bed room tax only applies to those living in social housing, i.e. Council Housing, housing provided by a Housing Association, or by some other Registered Social Landlord.

        if you rent private the the brt does not effect how much you will get in your area for hb rates if you can find somewhere to rent private local anyway.

        all i could afford with hb is a room to rent for £390 per month. a 1 bed flat is £590


        November 4, 2020 at 10:11 pm

      • I’ve not heard that one before. So far as I am aware it applies to all rented accommodation whether private or Housing Association, where a tenant is deemed to be under-occupying and claiming HB. one bedsit or one bedroom per person/couple. Any more bedrooms than occupants and the HB is docked accordingly. I was in a HA flat that was technically a two bedroom so my HB was docked by a shortfall of £14 p/w that I had to pay out of my JSA. The spare ‘bedroom’ didn’t even have a bed in it, I used it as a computer room/study.


        November 4, 2020 at 10:21 pm

      • @ superted

        £590 for a one bedroom flat? In my area it’s £80 p/w for a one bedroom flat and £65 p/w for a bedsit, and that’s private rent but HA/Council are something similar. That’s in a mixed neighbourhood (English/Eastern European/Asian/African/whatever) inner city, if you don’t mind the shootings and drug wars, etc.


        November 4, 2020 at 10:28 pm

      • But these people are relying on the DWP so they should pay bedroom tax.

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        November 4, 2020 at 10:46 pm

      • Maybe some of them are paying Bedroom Tax, it all depends on their circumstances, whether they’re renting or not, and if so then it depends whether they’re under-occupying or not. But regardless of Bedroom Tax you’re likely to be struggling with rent on UC if you live in a high rent area.


        November 4, 2020 at 10:51 pm

  10. it is because private rent is so expensive anyway as in most cases hb wont cover the rent anyway i can get £93 per week in my area.




    November 4, 2020 at 10:52 pm

  11. should go rent this trev set it up as skunk works and 100k cash every 3 months tax free 😉



    November 4, 2020 at 11:09 pm

    • If there were six of you sharing it would be almost affordable to rent, but I shudder to think how much the Council Tax would be.

      A few years ago me and a mate were doing some work for a farmer and they owned a little old cottage that they offered to rent to us, and a guarantee of regular cash-in-hand work which would have covered the rent. In the 19th C. the cottage had been a drinking place, not exactly a pub but what was called a “Cot” in these parts, a place where the local farm labourers and quarrymen got pissed. Anyway, they couldn’t get any tenants to stay there longer than 6 months because the place was haunted, people would report being woken in the night to the sound of the old piano playing, and there was no piano still in there! My mate was up for it cos he thought it would be an ideal place to grow weed, with a basement cellar facing out into open farmland at the back and in a pretty isolated rural area. But I decided against it.


      November 4, 2020 at 11:28 pm

  12. Universal Credit is a disaster & the Tories are still trying to float a sunk ship with massive big holes in it. They really believe they can still roll out Universal Credit relying on revived virus legacy benefits like Income Support, New Style ESA, New Style JSA, New Style Universal Credit. Tories the horse has already bolted backing up a failed system with old systems. Perhaps the DWP need to stop using ATOS for their Computer IT like Serco with Track & Trace. The Tories are now putting the vetted Food Bank contract out to tender with Serco the front runners with ATOS & G4S not far behind. FOOD BANKS for people who refuse to sell their £500,000 house because they can scrounge off the state.

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    November 4, 2020 at 11:21 pm

    • Some of the Tories have recently been claiming that foodbank users are swapping their tinned tuna and dried pasta for drugs, and that foodbanks are unwittingly keeping the local drug dealers in business! It would be funny if it wasn’t so fucking offensive. Demonize the poor why not.


      November 4, 2020 at 11:36 pm

      • They would know they are down a vice den ever Friday night paying a pimp for a service.

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        November 4, 2020 at 11:41 pm

  13. More than half the workforce are relying on the DWP for help 20 million + who are at the bottom of all that the poor & disabled in a DWP class war.

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    November 4, 2020 at 11:25 pm

  14. Therese Coffey you are very unwell & your arms & fingers are getting fatter with all those chicken nuggets. Really not fit for office let alone fit to be a human being with all the Human Rights Abuses.

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    November 4, 2020 at 11:28 pm

    • She needs a good pub lunch and a few Adnams to uplift her spirits.


      November 4, 2020 at 11:31 pm

    • Her bad health is preventing her from doing her job badly.

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  15. The real problem society has with the new lockdown is metal health with a class system of mental illness. Money can’t buy you out of mental illness like shopping for bits of shit. All shopping with your furlough money & knowing the DWP are paying for all your spending sprees. The people still working are pissed off in paying taxes to support these money grabbing lay abouts moaning they are the victims. Now back to societies mental health illness.

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    November 4, 2020 at 11:39 pm

    • i was diagnosed as mentally indestructible @15 and got the sack from boarding school as crashing windows was to expensive for my escape up a oak tree til 5pm every day 😉


      November 4, 2020 at 11:55 pm

  16. Some off topic but wonderful news: It looks as though Donald Trump is finished! Yay!


    November 5, 2020 at 7:20 am

    • Good news indeed! But if anyone is having a bonfire tonight do remember (…remember) to burn an effigy of IDS. One by one we will rid the world of tyrants.


      November 5, 2020 at 7:56 am

      • We had one bonfire in Ipswich some years ago when a member of DPAC did exactly that!

        Andrew Coates

        November 5, 2020 at 9:42 am

    • Mind you, it’s not over yet, still pretty close, and cry baby Trump is taking legal action in several States claiming he’s been cheated. It’s hard to fathom why so many people have voted for the moron.


      November 5, 2020 at 8:08 am

      • I can’t understand it.

        Trump is mendacious, dishonest, crass, crude, charmless, boastful, ignorant, moronic, bullying, deceitful, disgraceful… well… you get the idea. I cannot grasp for the life of me why so many Americans, four nearly five out of ten, are still prepared to vote for this freakish Tony Soprano president! I have tried my best to be emphatic and fathom it but can’t comprehend it. I just don’t get it. I thought that Americans hated nepotism and Trump has given important jobs to his relations. I thought that Americans hated liars and yet with Trump we have a man that spins fantasy as reality, has no idea what truth is, and lies pathologically all the time. Trump is a sleaze and a scumbag, whose neglect and complacency concerning corona virus has already killed four times more Americans than died in the Vietnam war, and yet nearly half of American voters who took part in the ballot seem to be behind him.

        He has sown division and fomented violence – as I sit here the BBC news just reported that armed Trump supporters are gathering outside centres still counting votes! – I so hope that this repulsive and reprehensible villain IS evicted from the White House by January 2021. It will be a sorry thing for America and the larger world is this wretched individual remains president of the USA.

        I’m amazed that some nutter hasn’t already taken a potshot at the arsehole to be honest!


        November 5, 2020 at 11:05 am

      • “I’m amazed that some nutter hasn’t already taken a potshot at the arsehole to be honest!”

        The nutters with guns are his supporters!


        November 5, 2020 at 2:41 pm

      • I meant someone, sometime, during Trump’s four catastrophic years in office not the loons currently marching about, armed to the teeth, outside town halls and centres counting votes in America, trev. Trump slouched around his homeland and abroad, for four years, and survived without a scratch. I consider that miraculous.


        November 7, 2020 at 5:12 pm

  17. Excellent email regarding Universal Credit uplift and the origins of uplift, especially Yankee Doodle Dandy of the benefits system.

    Antony Webber

    November 5, 2020 at 8:13 am

  18. The Tory Government are extending the Furlough to March 2021. That is keeping loads of businesses from going bankrupt so it is in the business interest to go on it. The Tories backing up corporate companies that trade on the stock exchange. The DWP has now been privatized trading.

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    November 5, 2020 at 3:10 pm

    • and that means 6 more months of lock downs so the jcp is not going to open up for a long time if at all.

      and there still taking my budgeting loan so us lot have been left for dead!


      November 5, 2020 at 3:19 pm

      • Yes 6 more months of lockdowns. What a class system at the DWP. The economy has already gone so the DWP are the only ones trading & what a good job they are doing investing in hundreds of £billions to float a sunk ship with the help of the other sunk sink the Tory Party.

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        November 5, 2020 at 3:27 pm

      • They are still deducting my Budgeting loan too, from £74 JSA because we never even got the £20 “uplift”. Like you say, so-called ‘legacy claimants’ have been left for dead. The Tories don’t give a fuck about us. As for the Jobcentres, I’m beginning to wonder if they’ll ever reopen. May their walls crumble and may I live to tell.


        November 5, 2020 at 3:52 pm

      • The Joke Centers are going to be closed, but only used to imprison all the new Work Roaches they have hired. So what is the job of 50,000 new Work Roaches that are being hired !!

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        November 5, 2020 at 3:59 pm

      • They’re secretly being re-trained as Men in Black, even the women. Then they’ll start doing home visits in the middle of night, asking pressing questions about jobsearch whilst surreptitiously stealing biros.


        November 5, 2020 at 4:19 pm

      • So that un truth of hiring 50,000 Work Roaches is a un truth. It is more likely that the Work Roaches are all being sacked because of the DWP’s own admission they is no need for Work Roaches. Perhaps they can all be toilet cleaners for the American Beef Food chains, because they used to clean the Joke Centers toilets at the end of their working day. That is why they are called Work Roaches.

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        November 5, 2020 at 4:29 pm

      • I don’t think it’s 50,000, the figure I read was a further 13,500 Work Coaches, taking the total to 27,000, effectively doubling the pre-Covid amount. It’s still 27,000 too many though.


        November 5, 2020 at 4:33 pm

  19. Sunak to extend furlough scheme to end of March



    November 5, 2020 at 3:22 pm

  20. Guardian – 5th Nov 2020

    Family of mentally ill single mother accuse DWP of failing to protect her

    Exclusive: Philippa Day died aged 27 being unable to recover from coma induced by insulin overdose

    The family of a severely mentally ill single mother who died after being without disability benefits for several months have accused the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) of failing to safeguard her.

    The family of Philippa Day, who died aged 27 in October last year after not recovering from a coma caused by an insulin overdose, believe she took her own life and accuse benefits administrators of failing to take sufficient account of her vulnerability, despite several warnings.

    She was discovered unconscious by her sister and father in August 2019. A letter from the DWP was found next to her rejecting her request for a benefits assessment to be carried out at her home – a decision the family believes triggered the overdose.

    A coroner will begin the process of examining events leading to her death at a pre-inquest review in Nottingham on Friday. “As a family we want to see Philippa’s death thoroughly investigated – and an acknowledgement of the DWP’s failure to safeguard her,” her sister Imogen Day told the Guardian.

    The DWP has been under increasing scrutiny in recent months over the way it handles its interactions with highly vulnerable claimants. Earlier this year, it promised to overhaul its safeguarding systems after a string of high-profile failures in which mentally ill claimants took their own lives after having their benefits cut off.

    Recent cases include Errol Graham, 57, who was found starved to death in 2018 after his benefits were withdrawn when he failed to attend a jobcentre meeting, and Jodey Whiting, 42, who took her own life in 2017 just days after her benefits were withdrawn.

    Day’s family described her as a bright, beautiful and “effervescent” woman who was diabetic and had suffered from mental ill health for most of her life. She had been diagnosed with emotionally unstable personality disorder, and in recent years was often afraid to leave her home, the legacy of an abusive relationship.

    In the months before her death her health had rapidly deteriorated following the cancellation of her disability benefits because of missing paperwork. This reduced her weekly income from £228 to just £60 a week, and plunged her into an increasingly bleak cycle of debt and despair, said her family, who are represented by solicitors Leigh Day.

    She had multiple spells in psychiatric hospitals during this period, and had self-harmed, taken drugs and become increasingly chaotic. She told her sister Imogen that she regularly had suicidal thoughts, and felt worthless and trapped. Her dealings with the DWP, her sister said, were “the main stress in [my sister’s] life.”

    Day’s community psychiatric nurse team had asked the DWP for a benefit assessment to take place at her home because of her poor health and agoraphobia. Officials rejected the request, insisting that she travel to a nearby assessment centre.

    Imogen said she believed the DWP had failed to act on warnings of her sister’s fragile condition, despite Philippa and her community nurse team on several occasions providing written and verbal evidence of her mental deterioration and feelings of acute distress.

    She described her sister’s experience with DWP and its personal independence payment (Pip) assessment provider, the private firm Capita, as “a vulnerable person being placed in front of an implacable force”. The DWP should adopt a more sensitive, person-centred approach to its dealing with vulnerable claimants, she said.

    “What needs highlighting in this case is that my sister was a young, pretty, middle-class white woman and they [the DWP] still ruined her life. Because of our family’s privilege it is our moral responsibility to speak out. There are so many people who don’t have this voice,” she said.

    “My sister bore her trauma well. She was able to connect with people and help them in her worst moments. She had ambitions to become a mental health support worker. All she wanted to do was help other people. She took that pain and made something quite wondrous with it.”

    A report by the National Audit Office in February revealed that over the past six years at least 69 suicides could be linked to problems with benefit claims, and that the DWP had failed to investigate many of the cases properly or learn from them.

    A Capita spokesperson said: “We extend our deepest condolences to Philippa Day’s family over her tragic death. We are one of several parties assisting the coroner in relation to the inquest into these sad circumstances and we will continue to cooperate fully with this inquiry.”

    The DWP have been approached for comment.

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    November 5, 2020 at 5:10 pm

    • Tory DWP State Sponsored Murder.

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      November 5, 2020 at 5:11 pm

      • A Capita spokesperson said: It is DWP State sponsored Murder & not Corporate Manslaughter & is the Tories problem.

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        November 5, 2020 at 5:12 pm

      • A report by the National Audit Office in February revealed that over the past six years at least 69 suicides could be linked to problems with benefit claims, and that the DWP had failed to investigate many of the cases properly or learn from them.


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        November 5, 2020 at 5:14 pm

  21. so much for lock down pmsl


    November 5, 2020 at 6:58 pm

    • Well I just found out my neighbour has got Covid, he’s in critical care in Pakistan, he went out there because his mother had caught it but she died last night. His wife and young daughter are still here, and worried sick. It’s no joke.


      November 5, 2020 at 7:18 pm

      • With no autopsy performed on millions of people,? strange isn’t it.


        November 5, 2020 at 7:31 pm

      • No autopsy? Wtf are you talking about? If you’re trying to insinuate some BULLSHIT conspiracy theory you can go fuck yourself you insensitive twat.


        November 5, 2020 at 7:40 pm

      • Oh dear me


        November 5, 2020 at 7:42 pm

    • Furlough people pissed off the pubs are closed. It is going to happen everyday bringing London to a standstill. Close Down Furlough.

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  22. Autopsies are an essential tool for understanding new diseases. Against this background, it is incomprehensible why there is great reluctance worldwide to perform autopsies on COVID-19 deceased patients. The article provides an overview of the status of the autopsy series published worldwide and shows the path taken by the city of Hamburg in Germany, where autopsies are ordered by the health authorities in the interests of disease control. The risk of infection posed by SARS-CoV-2-positive deceased persons may be overestimated. The scientific benefit that can be drawn from experience with autopsies and further examination of tissue samples is immeasurable.



    November 5, 2020 at 7:51 pm

  23. Many more people to go on UC, if they can claim.

    Sainsbury’s to cut 3,500 jobs and close 420 Argos stores

    More calls for help for arts freelancers who ‘face using food banks’

    Speaking in the House of Commons earlier on Thursday, Labour MP Ruth Cadbury said she had been contacted by West End performers, make-up artists, instrumentalists and others who had been struggling to survive on benefits after being ineligible for other support.

    “Here in west London, Universal Credit barely covers to cover the cost of rent, meaning they now face going through lockdown with no additional support and adding to the queues at food banks,” she said.



    November 5, 2020 at 7:58 pm

    • there is going to be 10 million+ on benefits end of next year imo


      November 5, 2020 at 8:00 pm

      • Margret Thatcher had 3 million unemployed at her best.

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  24. Tech to spot sailor’s mood – to help people as they put it.



    November 5, 2020 at 8:14 pm

  25. You are here: Home / Arts, Culture and Sport / BBC’s disabled-led ‘benefit cheat’ drama causes anger and disbelief Liz Carr sits in a room in her wheelchair, smiling
    BBC’s disabled-led ‘benefit cheat’ drama causes anger and disbelief

    By John Pring on 5th November 2020

    Disabled activists have spoken of their anger and distress after the BBC broadcast a drama – starring one of the country’s best-known disabled actors – that they say mirrors years of deeply damaging government rhetoric about benefit cheats.

    The BBC Four drama, starring disabled actor and campaigner Liz Carr, is part of a month-long season of BBC programmes marking the 25th anniversary of the Disability Discrimination Act.

    Her monologue – one of the six-part CripTales series – was written by a disabled playwright, Tom Wentworth, and had a disabled director, Ewan Marshall.

    Another leading disabled actor, Mat Fraser, was “curator” of the CripTales series.

    Both Carr and Fraser have previously spoken publicly about the government’s welfare reforms and its treatment of disabled benefit claimants.

    Carr’s monologue, The Real Deal (pictured), was the second episode in the CripTales series.

    It features her character spying on a disabled neighbour who she believes is committing personal independence payment (PIP) fraud, and ends with her informing the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP).

    Nearly 10 years ago, in February 2011, Carr told fellow activists at a rally that disabled people “are not scroungers or frauds. We are not vulnerable or work shy.

    “Our history is littered with disabled people being scapegoated, demonised, discriminated against and oppressed. It is also a history of disabled people fighting back against this.”

    But in The Real Deal, Carr’s character is seen spying on her neighbour who she suspects of exaggerating his impairment in order to qualify for PIP, before being persuaded by the neighbour to exaggerate her own impairment for a PIP assessment.

    Disabled activists who have spent years highlighting and fighting against the efforts of Tory ministers to paint disabled people as benefit frauds, fakers and scroungers, were horrified by the film.

    Their concern and anger contrasted with widespread support and approval for the drama from the disability arts world.

    Carr, Fraser and Debbie Christie, executive producer for CripTales, have all defended the episode, although Wentworth had not commented by noon today (Thursday).

    They suggested to Disability News Service (DNS) that the episode intended to explore “moral ambiguity”, offers a critique of DWP policy and the “impenetrable” PIP assessment system, and provides a “rare comedic take on the hypocrisy that can be embedded in that PIP interview system”.

    But disabled activist and advocate Rick Burgess said it had been “very distressing” to watch the drama.

    He said: “As someone who has helped with numerous PIP claims at all stages, Real Deal will not help people and it may harm them.

    “Scroungers are not the problem with PIP, they are a government and media created propaganda tool.

    “This play appeared to have fallen for that lie.”

    Disabled activist Andy Mitchell also said he felt “really uncomfortable” watching the CripTales episode.

    He said: “The problem with PIP is PIP, not scroungers. It feeds into Tory ‘genuine disabled’ rhetoric that has caused untold harm for disabled people.

    “It was a missed opportunity to tell a really important story that too many people go through on their own.”

    Another activist, Paula Peters, said she felt “deeply saddened” and “angry” watching the drama, which she said sent a “very dangerous message”.

    She pointed to the “horrendous distress” caused by being wrongly accused of benefit fraud, and she said that disabled people had died because of government “scrounger” rhetoric.

    Disabled People Against Cuts (DPAC) said it had a huge amount of respect for Carr as a politicised disabled person and “as someone who has never lost her commitment to activism wherever stardom has taken her”.

    A DPAC spokesperson also said the drama had highlighted key problems with the assessment system, including “how the whole process forces us to reduce ourselves down to the most difficult parts of our lives while dismissing our strengths”.

    But she said that Carr’s monologue “not only replicated government rhetoric on scroungers, it reinforced the idea of the deserving (‘real deal’) and undeserving poor and also fed into the demonisation of the white working class with a two dimensional portrayal that Channel Five would have been proud of”.

    Fran Springfield, co-chair of Disability Labour, said the drama was “incredibly disturbing”.

    She said: “I really can’t work out what they were trying to convey, but whatever it was it sent a very dangerous message.

    “This was very disturbing to watch. Not only did it buy into the false government rhetoric of fraudsters, but it missed an opportunity to show the real impact of PIP and the tragedies the DWP and the government constantly seek to diminish.”

    Fraser told DNS that those who criticised the film had “somewhat missed the point” and that The Real Deal was “a satire exposing the not fit for purpose benefit and assessment system”.

    He said: “An able bodied fraudster can scam the system easily, but a woman with genuine impairments is only able to get the support she needs, by being forced to play up to an ignorant and clumsy view of what a disabled person should be.

    “Rather than playing like a recruitment [tool] for the DWP… to me it’s a savage indictment of them.”

    But many other disabled people yesterday added their voices to the criticism.

    One disabled activist, Mary*, told DNS that she felt “physically sick watching Liz Carr act out every single Tory scrounger rhetoric in the book”, and that the play was an “open invitation to make fraud reports”.

    She added: “Its damaging, irresponsible and offensive. It’s not ‘dark’, funny or informative. Daily Mail readers will love it.”

    She said the film was “an absolute gift to DWP”, and she added: “It hurts so much more when it’s one of our own who should know better. It’s such a betrayal.”

    She added: “What upset me the most was a very dear friend in all honesty asking me, ‘Oh god, am I a fraud?’

    “I had to reassure her that no, she is not. That broke my heart.”

    Mary also passed on to DNS comments from a string of other disabled people, many of them with invisible impairments, in response to the drama.

    One, a mental health activist and service-user, said it was “a real betrayal of all of us” and that those involved should be “ashamed”.

    They added: “Assume all the people involved think they’ll never find themselves in a situation where they’ll be reported like this, otherwise why demonstrate how to report people and give the impression everyone on PIP is somehow not genuine because the DWP force people to humiliate themselves.”

    Another, an electric wheelchair-user, was another to say that the film made them “feel physically sick”.

    A long-term mental health service-user, activist and former chief executive of a charity, said the film was “undoing years and years of work by disability campaigners and activists to fight against the stereotypes of fakers in the Daily Mail and right wing press”, and described it as “grim grim grim”.

    Another long-term mental health service-user said the film made them feel like they should take their own life, “like I wasn’t worthy of receiving PIP and a fraud.

    “I felt really uncomfortable and freaked out about it. I know that I have some members of my own family and friends, that judge me for claiming benefits.

    “I just wish I was invisible right now.”

    A former mental health service-user said: “It uses this visibly disabled actor as a model for [a] deserving claimant.

    “The fact this is produced by disabled people makes it worse. It shows the system means you have to act a certain way but then shows everyone is either playing to that or fraudulently acting that part.”

    Another former mental health service-user said: “My concern is about the snitching on your neighbour angle which may be more socially acceptable in the time of coronavirus social compliance.”

    And a former service-user said that promoting anonymous reporting of strangers and neighbours for “fraud” could impact people with invisible impairments.

    They said: “We are living through terrible times with COVID-19 and are directed to report to the police those who are breaking the rules.

    “Disabled people may also be vulnerable to the virus and the isolation of the restrictions.

    “I can see how social compliance may extend to more benefits related reporting of people who may not appear physically disabled but suffer serious mental distress or hidden disabilities. The last thing we need right now is more division and persecution.”

    Christie said the CripTales writers had been given a “totally open brief to write what they wished” about “issues that engaged them” and that the intention of The Real Deal was to “explore moral ambiguity”.

    Fraser said the drama was about a “genuine claimant” who was unable to “get through the questioning hoops that a PIP assessment can bring, with all the stress, self doubt and shame, that can be involved in such an unfair setting”.

    He said it showed how the actions of Carr’s character, who herself “agrees to act more disabled” than she is, further highlight the systemic flaws.

    He said: “Rather than an advert for the DWP, it offers a criticism of it, and rather than play into the very worst of the scrounger rhetoric, it was a rare comedic take on the hypocrisy that can be embedded in that PIP interview system, with a serious twist at the end.”

    Carr said the piece had intended to highlight the flaws in the system “dramatically and playfully – showing how impenetrable the benefit system is and the reality of how we have to perform and jump through hoops to gain our rightful entitlements”.

    She said: “I knew the piece was controversial in having a disabled person report another disabled person – rather than suggest this as acceptable, my hope was that this would illustrate how deeply entrenched the ideology of individualism and competition are in all of us – even disabled people.

    “It was of course not my intention to cause harm or hurt – I consider the roles I accept very carefully and thoughtfully and feel those of us with a profile have a responsibility to challenge.”

    *Not her real name

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    November 6, 2020 at 12:58 am

    • These Disabled activists are the problem for the disabled people’s plight. Why is it so shocking to watch the truth about the WCA. The WCA is the most floored thing at the DWP like mockery & DWP Murder. Justin Tomlinson the Disability Minister & Y&our WCA needs killing like your Disability Unit Pet. I am a Disability Human Rights Lawyer who is disabled & the Human Rights Abuses at the WCA is the DWP’s PRE MEDITATED STATE SPONSORED MURDER CHARGE

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      November 6, 2020 at 1:02 am

      • No have been no arrests for a Disability Hate Crime do you want to charge me for a disability hate crime the 1st one so I get compensation for being disabled yet we have handicaps banned from golf courses because they have a handicap yet the golfers all have handicaps & bang on about they fucking handicaps.

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        November 6, 2020 at 1:05 am

      • The Tory Government spastics come on charge me with a disability hate crime & make a public show of me COMPENSATION. So your disability Hate Crime Law is bullshit & Justin Tomlinson’s Disability Unit is the disability Hate Crime. Tory genocide of the disabled. Now you don’t want to make that public do you Boris Johnson & your Nazi Hitler Tory Party that throws out anti semetic messages all the time. The racist facist Tory Party get your fucking lawyers in before you act as a Pre Meditated Murderer.

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        November 6, 2020 at 1:10 am

      • So scared of me now & hope I go away. Sending in your crappy trolls that put the Tory Party in shit. Justin Tomlinson & Therese Coffey you are not Disability Champion you are disability haters to make money from. Work pays disabled Pre Meditated Murder called the DWP.

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  26. It might be for those with experience.

    Indeed is holding a two-day hiring spree for 2,000 jobs with guaranteed interviews and on-the-spot offers promised

    JOB site Indeed is holding a two-day online hiring event next week with over 2,000 roles up for grabs.

    Employers from a wide range of businesses will be attending, including supermarkets, insurance firms, delivery groups and care companies.

    Big-name brands looking to take on more staff include Morrisons, Marks and Spencer and Lidl, as well as Direct Line, Yodel and Bupa Care Homes.



    November 6, 2020 at 3:27 am

    • I’m registered with Indeed but they haven’t sent me any message about this. I applied for a Tesco job via Indeed on Wednesday but got a rejection email from Tesco yesterday.


      November 6, 2020 at 7:19 am

    • Barriers, barriers and more barriers.


      November 6, 2020 at 12:39 pm

    • @Trev

      Sadly with no rules to prevent it, employers so as to expedite the hiring process are recording applicants who have been unsuccessful in the past.
      With no way of actually monitor the receiving and processing of personal data, businesses are left to their own devices based solely on trust.
      Another equally contentious tactic of businesses is to search out an applicants internet presence.

      Probably the most concerning as an entire job sector has been created from this, is the method employed by which IPs are recorded from things like facebook, twittter, etc feeds.
      You see IPs and their associated web accounts are only deemed personal data once linked to other data that makes known a specific person.
      This makes hiding behind internet names made up rather redundant on the basis its damn hard to keep out of creating a footprint. If that isnt bad enough dew to poor record keeping, a person may well find themselves tied with the same brush as so to speak.
      Its too many words to explain how the entire process can be linked upto being considered personal, destroyed and logged all within compliance of the GDPR but it is going on and is quite legal.

      The end result is employers, institutes, governments and such can glean all they need on an individual within the context of the rules which when added to anothers personal bias/criteria can spell out ill effects on a person.


      November 7, 2020 at 9:46 am

      • Yes think about what you say on line, for many it’s too late.


        November 7, 2020 at 3:19 pm

  27. I have applied for one of the work roches jobs, was unsucessful, I would have told my customers everythng they could claim, tell them only apply for what you want to job waste, and the 35 hour jobb search is a load of rubbish, as some job applications could take ages


    November 6, 2020 at 9:27 am

    • Thats why you were unsucessfu, they know you, my case was the same.


      November 6, 2020 at 12:44 pm

  28. Does Caxton House need more toilet cleaners?

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  29. People face £200 fines for leaving home in lockdown – full list of ‘reasonable excuses’

    You could always try your usual excuses!l



    November 6, 2020 at 4:10 pm

  30. Here’s some details of working hours/days for a job vacancy that I don’t understand as it seems to make no sense:

    Hours of work

    Saturday – Wednesday 08.30am-16.30pm
    (Every Mon/Tues & Fri off)

    If the job involves working from Saturday to Wednesday (inclusive) then how can you have Mondays and Tuesdays off? Or does it mean you only work two days, on Saturdays and Wednesdays? Then what about Thursdays, which aren’t mentioned at all? It’s nonsensical and confusing.


    November 6, 2020 at 5:10 pm

  31. If 300 people are going for 1 job what chance has the one with bipolar got? None. If 1 person going for 1 job what chance has the person with bipolar Got? None.

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    November 6, 2020 at 5:56 pm

    • So bipolar people are unemployable. Where does that leave the DWP & the WCA if the bipolar person has been found fit for work !!! Bipolar suicide !!!

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      November 6, 2020 at 5:58 pm

  32. We share his pain.

    Andrew Coates

    November 7, 2020 at 12:46 am

    • Sure

      Blitzed cities still deprived 75 years after war



      November 7, 2020 at 2:20 am

    • The fucker is another false prophet.He’s wrong about Trump and even more wrong about Brexit. As the country is doomed to discover from January 2021 onwards. The UKs greatest friends are… were… in Europe not in America no matter who is president.


      November 7, 2020 at 9:41 am

  33. Fury as bailiffs ‘asked’ not to evict people in lockdown – but no outright ban

    Housing Secretary Robert Jenrick announced a freeze on eviction enforcement action during the latest lockdown, except in the most serious circumstances, such as anti-social behaviour, fraud and illegal occupation.

    Bailiffs have “asked not to enforce evictions during the national restrictions in England (from 5 November) except in the most serious circumstances” until January, according to new Government guidance.

    “Eviction notices will be dropping through renters’ doors throughout lockdown, and the courts will be open the entire time, putting pressure on renters to move out while the pandemic rages on



    November 7, 2020 at 2:07 am

  34. The garbage fire called Donald Trump has been put out! He’ finished and will be evicted from the White House next January! Only the fifth president to fail to win a second term in history! The whole wide world will be glad to see the end of that lying bastard who caused so much death and division over his four years of misrule across the pond. Fantastic news.


    November 7, 2020 at 5:02 pm

    • It is great news indeed, but sadly not the end of ‘Trumpism’ altogether, there’s a long way to go before the far-Right are defeated, as this article says:


      Good riddance to Donald Trump though!


      November 7, 2020 at 5:18 pm

      • You’re right. The stink of Trumpism will be around for decades, same as Nazism and Fascism on a larger scale. There are still people who admire Mussolini and read Hitler’s Mein Kampf, not only in Italy and Germany but around the world. But the prancing American psychopath called Donald Trump has been neutered: he can only preach, poster and opine from now on not actually interfere with or direct American political policy. From now on his rants will be those of a private person not an elected head of state. Which also means that Twitter and other social media platforms can ban him and close down his accounts if they want to and that now he can be prosecuted and jailed just like any other American citizen no longer protected by the presidency.


        Which I think would be a fitting punishment for the evil bastard considering what harm he’s done and, so far, got away with scot-free. What’s Boris going to do now with the American bully boy no longer in power?


        November 7, 2020 at 5:53 pm

      • Do you think old sniffer Biden would make a better president!


        November 7, 2020 at 6:22 pm

      • I think anybody not a delusional psychopathic man-child would be a better president than Trump.


        November 7, 2020 at 6:56 pm

  35. Boris Johnson & The Tory Party Brexit & David Cameron has now caused Tory divide to self destruction. Boris & Trump are the losers.

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    November 7, 2020 at 5:48 pm

    • Rupert Murdoch out of the Tory Party & The British press.

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      November 7, 2020 at 5:54 pm

      • Tory Dictatorship run by Rupert Murdoch who lost with Trump.

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        November 7, 2020 at 5:56 pm

      • Trump telephoned Rupert Murdoch to complain about his Fox News channel calling the election against him and Murdoch hung up. The Republican party and Trump’s fair-weather friends in the media and elsewhere are abandoning him like the loser he is – only the fifth president in American history NOT to win a second term. Trump will no doubt continue ti lie, dissemble, bitch, whine and complain by means of any platform available to him but the wicked old bastard is well and truly finished. Forever. Thank God.


        November 8, 2020 at 8:14 am

  36. @ Tigerlily

    Yes I do think Biden will be a better President, how could he possibly be any worse? Trump is pure evil.


    November 7, 2020 at 6:43 pm

    • The counting is still going on Biden is not the president yet 🍀.


      November 7, 2020 at 7:30 pm

      • There are sufficient votes already counted to enable an accurate projection to be made. Trump is out on his arse, thank fuck.


        November 7, 2020 at 8:30 pm

    • I think pure evil is a bit strong.

      He never built the wall, didnt stop immigration, war and countless other things be said he would.

      Also lets not forget if we label him such then must also label near half of the whole of america the same.

      Face it, any person who heels to the departments will never change america for the good.


      November 7, 2020 at 8:11 pm

      • Trump is Satan.


        November 7, 2020 at 8:16 pm

      • I would have liked to see what Tulsi Gabbard could have done as president.


        November 7, 2020 at 8:16 pm

      • Tulsi Gabbard , a militaristic homophobe raised by a religious cult. Not the best choice I would have thought.


        November 7, 2020 at 8:32 pm

      • Tulsi Gabbard not only served and toured twice, she volunteered. Did trump,biden, hillary, kamela, pence ?

        Interestingly both her and kamela are practice hindu while kamela embraces the second faith of Christianity.

        So its funny that you label her as a a militaristic homophobe raised by a religious cult.

        Finally she was an ardent supporter of bernie sanders.


        November 8, 2020 at 6:58 am

      • @ Doug

        Well she may be a mixed bag by the sounds of it but the Science of Identity Foundation run by some self-styled ‘guru’ definitely sounds cultish to me.


        November 8, 2020 at 11:11 am

      • @Trev

        If you have to say by the sounds of it then its safe to say you have no idea what it is.
        The institute is about the science of yoga in the pursuit to find ones true self, not at all dissimilar from my practicing of zen.

        Your find no drug n alcohol induced sex, no advocating of violence or a belief in aliens.


        November 8, 2020 at 2:49 pm

      • Come off it Doug. It’s a cult. The followers worship the founder, a self-styled narcissistic guru named Chris Butler aka ‘Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa’ who controls them and tells them what to think and what to do. But if that’s for you, fine, go join them.

        View at Medium.com


        November 8, 2020 at 3:03 pm

      • ‘who controls them and tells them what to think and what to do’

        It’s my way or the high way isn’t it adolescent.


        November 8, 2020 at 3:10 pm

      • “my way or the highway”

        Not at all, merely an observation based on common sense perception of the facts of the issue.


        November 8, 2020 at 3:28 pm

      • Sounds like a load of palarty.

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        November 8, 2020 at 4:32 pm

      • Trev, stop being a victim of the construct, get out of cycle of being a echo chamber for others.

        People have anchors like a childs parents during a childs growth upto adulthood. The second anchor a child generally forms is faith. There are others such a popstars, movie stars and so forth but for the purpose of this person its rooted in the two first anchors.
        Its not hard to see in her story or that of other second generation once members that they all suffer an angst towards their parents devotion ot their already established belief and how they feel it deprives them of their as they assume, rightful first anchor even to this day.
        They all echo the same sentiment to want to drag their parents away from the movement, blaming it rather than the choices their parents have made back when they were children and even now.

        Whether you, i or whoever puts stock in the words of another is our own free choice which is something this lalita refuses to accept and harps on as though she is owed something.
        No ones owed anything in life, even the devotion of their parents.

        Just remember, she didnt leave like she was smuggled out of mexico, didnt make claims of drug and sexual abuse or suicide pacts.


        November 10, 2020 at 9:53 pm

  37. Was that a Trump suicide in his golf bunker !!!

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  38. All these famous dead people voting twice – Trumps legal defence.

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    November 7, 2020 at 6:49 pm

    • Can you prove that Donald ask Boris for some help !!

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  39. The main stream media has launched a coordinated effort to proclaim Joe Biden President-elect, they are lying!


    November 7, 2020 at 7:35 pm

    • Tigerlily, you sound just like cry-baby Trump. Of course they’re not lying. Like every sane person in the world they are celebrating Trump’s democratic defeat, and his impending exit from the Whitehouse and from Politics. Praise the Lord, Hallelujah! (I guess the Angels from Africa were busy washing their hair or something). Good riddance to the twat.


      November 7, 2020 at 8:21 pm



        November 7, 2020 at 8:31 pm

      • Donald Trump is the biggest liar on the planet.


        November 7, 2020 at 8:34 pm

      • Twat seems to be your favourite word at the moment, not very nice coming from a 60 year old.


        November 7, 2020 at 8:34 pm

      • That’s a rather ageist thing to say Cloverleaf. I’m just as entitled to call Trump a twat as anyone else is, and I could call him a lot worse than that. Are you a Trump supporter by any chance?


        November 7, 2020 at 9:10 pm

    • Nope. After wining Pennsylvania Biden has enough electoral college votes to declare victory. He’s set to win several other states too. Trump and his cronies are lying about fraud and cheating, Tigerlily, in the same way as they have lied about everything else. You’ll see over the coming weeks that this is true, The Republican party is peeling away from The Donald and preparing for the hand over of Trump’s power to Biden who is already talking about a Covid Taskforce to tackle the pandemic which is still killing over 1,000 Americans every day. Trump is finished. And the nice thing is you don’t have to believe me or the media because you will see it happen before your own eyes. Trump will be gone from the White House by the 20th of January 2021.

      Watch and learn.


      November 7, 2020 at 9:06 pm

      • but he could drop down dead any day now lol.


        November 7, 2020 at 9:21 pm

      • @ superted

        Well Trump’s not exactly a spring chicken either at 74, and overweight too, not likely to last much longer I wouldn’t have thought.


        November 7, 2020 at 9:44 pm

      • Your right Ted they’ll probably use it as an excuse to raise the pension age here, it looks like two more years.


        November 8, 2020 at 2:44 am

      • I don’t want Trump dead I want him serving a custodial sentence, in a prison cell, next door to Harvey Weinstein.


        November 8, 2020 at 8:05 am

      • @ superted

        Kamala Harris is a very youthful 56 year old and would become de facto president if Biden shuffled of his mortal core.


        November 8, 2020 at 4:11 pm

      • She seems like a good egg too. It strikes me as odd though that people in higher circles are considered to be “youthful” at 56 (which she is in comparison to Biden, or Trump) whereas in poorer working class circles many are dead at that age. Loads of my old mates have died in their 50s.


        November 8, 2020 at 4:24 pm

    • DSC_0008

      not had a work coach since kill or be killed we are all slaves to the system the path you choose is up to you.


      November 9, 2020 at 11:12 pm

      • I’m not assigned to a particular Work Coach either, and haven’t been for a long time, probably a couple of years. Prior to Covid I signed on with a different person every time. My Jobcentre was in a state of chaos, with many Work Coaches transferred to Universal Credit and a shortage of staff to deal with JSA claimants. They kept changing which floors people signed on, and kept rearranging the desks. It was a farce. And lots of ‘group signing’ sessions. I’m so glad the place is shut.


        November 9, 2020 at 11:31 pm


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    November 7, 2020 at 8:15 pm

    • Here’s What Joe Biden’s Election Victory Means For The UK

      Boris Johnson wants a trade deal with United States – but the incoming administration is not so keen on Brexit.



      November 8, 2020 at 2:10 am

      • That is why Boris is backing down not to fall out with Joe Biden.

        Marcus Rashford: PM climbdown over free meals in school holidays

        The government is to spend more than £400m to support poor children and their families in England, following a campaign by footballer Marcus Rashford.

        A winter grant scheme, to be run by councils, will provide support with food and bills, and a holiday food and activities programme is to be expanded.

        Rashford said it would improve the lives of almost 1.7 million children.

        The move represents a significant climbdown for the government, which had argued Universal Credit was enough.

        From the package of support, a £170m ring-fenced fund will be distributed through councils, with at least 80% earmarked for help with food and bills.

        It will receive funding from the beginning of December until the end of March.

        The holiday food and activities programme will be expanded with a £220m investment to cover Easter, summer and Christmas in 2021.

        On top of that, there will be a £16m cash boost for the nation’s food banks.

        Support has already been announced for children in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

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        November 8, 2020 at 12:22 pm

      • “””On top of that, there will be a £16m cash boost for the nation’s food banks.”””

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        November 8, 2020 at 12:22 pm

  44. America or Banana Republic? Voter Fraud ALERT! The USA is Under Attack



    November 8, 2020 at 11:04 am

    • Are you a Trump supporter Tigerlily ?


      November 8, 2020 at 11:18 am

      • Tigerlily must be a Tory Boris supporter as well !!

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        November 8, 2020 at 12:24 pm

      • That’s something we may never know as Tigerlily doesn’t seem in a hurry to answer that question.


        November 8, 2020 at 12:55 pm

      • I thought Dominic Cummings was the Prime Minister & the fixer of all Tory noses.

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        November 8, 2020 at 1:33 pm

      • Trev/stepping, I think you know that I am not a Bojo supporter, as for Trump I’m not sure if he’s DS or really for the American people, I’m hoping he is the latter, only time will tell!


        November 8, 2020 at 2:08 pm

      • @ Tigerlily

        LOL There is by now ample evidence of Trump’s true colours, he’s a Corporate Fascist, make no mistake. He doesn’t give a shit about the American people! The only thing Donald Trump cares about is Donald Trump, well that and making money, fiddling his Taxes, promoting unregulated Capitalism at the expense of peoples’ Rights, well-being, and that of the Environment. If you don’t know that by now then there’s no hope for you. Trump is the fraudster and you’ve been had by the master of deceit, an habitual liar, the ultimate Fake.


        November 8, 2020 at 2:22 pm

      • Time won’t tell that Trump is a loser & a failure.

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        November 8, 2020 at 2:21 pm

      • Trev, I don’t get why you are so trusting of our terrorist non government, the way that benefit claimants have been treated like shite over the years, along with the msm demonisation, and don’t just blame the dwp it’s the whole stinking lot of them!


        November 8, 2020 at 2:53 pm

      • “our terrorist non government” ?

        I’ve no idea what that means or which government you are referring to. Or what that’s got to do with Donald Trump’s lies.


        November 8, 2020 at 3:09 pm

      • It is not about politics it is about morals which the Tory Party don’t have.

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        November 8, 2020 at 4:35 pm

      • Trump has no morals either.


        November 8, 2020 at 4:47 pm

    • Relax, the USA is not “under attack”, that article was written by a couple of cranks named Ty & Charlene Bollinger, who normally make a living from peddling quackery and exploiting cancer sufferers (despite having no medical qualifications themselves).


      November 8, 2020 at 11:38 am

  45. America is free from the Trump dictator, but in the UK we are left with at least 14 years of dictatorship with the Tory Party dictators.

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    November 8, 2020 at 12:26 pm

    • That is if the Tory Party last that long tearing themselves apart day by day.

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      November 8, 2020 at 12:28 pm

  46. The Tories have pledged £16 million to the food banks for the start of privatizing them with Capita & Serco the front runners in getting the Food Bank Contract., since the Tory Party has invested so much money in the food banks.

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    November 8, 2020 at 1:36 pm

    • There are many independent foodbanks that cannot be bought or put under control of Tory cronies.


      November 8, 2020 at 2:06 pm

  47. Democrats were set up in sting operation to catch them stealing election!



    November 8, 2020 at 1:54 pm

    • Seeing as you keep posting fake news I can only conclude that you are a Trump supporter and therefore your views are completely invalid (as are the Fascistic allegations of election fraud – it’s not fraud it’s Democracy in action!).


      November 8, 2020 at 2:03 pm

      • Trev, so you are saying that Cloverleaf is not entitled to an opinion because it doesn’t follow the mainstream narrative… That’s Fascism!


        November 8, 2020 at 2:41 pm

      • Everyone is entitled to express an opinion (within reason) but such opinions that are based upon untuths and falsehoods cannot be considered valid.


        November 8, 2020 at 2:45 pm

      • This say it all:


        The trouble with the web is that most people have certain kinds of views and so seek out media which is most in accord with those views no matter how stupid or untruthful they might be. You then get a feedback loop in which people start seeking out more and more of the same material online which amplifies and bolsters their idiosyncratic beliefs until they become ground in and the only truth. (This is the way decent Muslims become radicalised.) State of the Nation is a completely shit website that is about as worthwhile and truthful as:


        Which is also completely fake and supposed to be satirical.


        November 8, 2020 at 3:15 pm

      • If it offends you so much why don’t you ask comrade Coates to delete it.


        November 8, 2020 at 4:02 pm

      • Coatesy deletes things as he sees fit, not my blog, nothing to do with me. By the way, are you a Trump supporter?


        November 8, 2020 at 4:10 pm

    • State of the Nation is a B.S. fake news conspiracy website. No legitimate news outlet of any worth would publish an article containing the words, “The genius of Trump…” and perpetuate the downright Fascist lies of election fraud in defence of Trump’s defeat. And once again you’re exposing your true allegiances.


      November 8, 2020 at 2:12 pm

  48. superted

    November 8, 2020 at 2:21 pm

  49. Perhaps Donald Trump can come to Britain & help out Boris Johnson & The Tory Party,

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    November 8, 2020 at 2:24 pm

    • Now the Tories are that despirate.

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      November 8, 2020 at 2:25 pm

  50. Join the Boris Johnson Food Bank – All run by big fat fucks.

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    November 8, 2020 at 2:26 pm

    • It is vetted to join the Boris Johnson food bank & you can only use it if you are a big fat fuck. You never see a fat poor person !!!

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      November 8, 2020 at 2:28 pm

      • Actually obesity is prevalent amongst the poor due to eating low quality diets and/or possibly having a greater propensity for alcohol consumption as a means of coping with the stresses of life.


        November 8, 2020 at 2:36 pm

      • superted

        November 8, 2020 at 2:39 pm

      • Processed food is not cheap. They claim it is cheap but I can cook a massive dinner for £1.

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        November 8, 2020 at 4:38 pm

    • I can’t even afford to buy takeaways. Fish n chips used to be a cheap meal, ten-bob to feed a family of four or five when I was a kid, now that would cost at least £20 – £25 !


      November 8, 2020 at 2:49 pm

      • These youth dem are eating £40 of junk food a day & that is even without having their main dinners.

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        November 8, 2020 at 4:39 pm

    • Are you a Trump supporter?


      November 8, 2020 at 5:13 pm

  51. Are you a Stalin supporter?


    November 8, 2020 at 5:36 pm

    • What’s Stalin got to do with anything? Stalin was a Dictator. I’m a Socialist.

      Are you a Trump supporter Cloverleaf, yes or no?


      November 8, 2020 at 5:40 pm

      • more ppl died in Russia in ww2 than any other country put together troops wise dictator or not we could have lost ww2 with out them and that is a fact of history.

        my grand dad use to say the only good German was a dead one so would not last long on face book or twitter pmsl


        November 8, 2020 at 5:48 pm

      • I’m not a Trump supporter at all I just like him, are you satisfied now?


        November 8, 2020 at 7:09 pm

      • You like him? What is there to like about him? I can’t for the life in me think of one single thing, either personally or Politically, that is remotely likeable about that despicable disgraceful man. Please enlightenment me.


        November 8, 2020 at 7:14 pm

  52. https://www.commonlawcourt.com/

    we are all slaves to the government and treated as cargo for profit it is why you have common law and statute law which is contract law same as signing providers paperwork ect.

    the government is a corporation same as the police and the courts and councils and use statute law to control the people.

    we are nothing to them bar stock and thus do not care how many ppl dies or not as all that matters is there governments agenda and the money and is the same all over the world.


    November 8, 2020 at 5:40 pm

  53. Why are people ashamed to be Donald Trump & Boris Johnson & Brexit supporters?

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    November 8, 2020 at 6:10 pm

  54. Still no answer from Cloverleaf or Tigerlily regarding their support or otherwise for Corporate Fascist, sexist, racist, Tax dodger, habitual liar and ex-President Donald Trump.


    November 8, 2020 at 6:19 pm

  55. Has Donald Trump got a Joe Biden face sticker on his golf ball giving it a good whack playing golf !!!

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    November 8, 2020 at 7:52 pm

    • Trump has no saving graces whatsoever, no admirable qualities, no redeeming features, he is indefensible in every respect. There is nothing to like about him.


      November 8, 2020 at 8:23 pm

      • A robot with fake tan & a wig to blend into the human race.

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        November 8, 2020 at 8:54 pm

  56. The reason you hate Trump so much is because of the nasty smear campaign the msm started from day 1 of his presidency. I personally don’t believe any of the crap they say about him. It’s all bs🍀


    November 8, 2020 at 8:54 pm

    • No one, not even the MSM, needs to smear Trump, he smears himself every time he opens his mouth and with each and every pathetic moronic Tweet. The guy is a fucking imbecile, and a narcissist, and a bigot, a sexist, racist, who brags about grabbing women by the vagina, and refuses to condemn far-Right violence, and caused untold environmental damage through his policies, and even bragged in one interview about how humble he is!!!! I think you’ll find I’m not in a minority in disliking Donald Trump, I’d hazard a guess that it’s the majority view the entire world over.


      November 8, 2020 at 9:04 pm

      • All smear.


        November 8, 2020 at 9:26 pm

      • No, and hell no, you are wrong and you know it. If you don’t know it you must be ad thick as he is, you cannot deny the truth by crying “smear” and “fake news”, those are absolute undeniable irrefutable FACTS! Trump is a bloody disgrace and good riddance to him.


        November 8, 2020 at 9:32 pm

      • yet he was voted in for president in 2016 so plenty of ppl in the usa has the same point of view and guns!

        biden wants the guns gone and to get rid of the nra n breach of the constitution all i can see is civil war or maybe that is what they want in the first place as every state is in so much debt there is no way out other than going bust and some sort of global reset of the money system as we know it.

        at least trump said fuck that bollocks at the wef and biden seems all for it and major changes to the constitution next year and riots everywhere world wide.

        governments do not care about the ppl we are slaves to there system and only there agenda matters it does not matter who is the puppet at the top of the chain trump was just a 4 year delay to the overall plans as has a lot of skin in the game$$$$$$$$$$$$

        in 1807 they brought in the Abolition of Slavery Act of Great Britain, this made everyone a slave under statute laws and contracts made buy government buy a legal fiction mr super ted in a court of law!

        the courts are a corporation same as the police and the government for profit and we must consent to it as a contract ie policed by consent, not common law you wont get a jury in any court over say the tv licence because it is a statute law made buy government as it is a contract.

        and no one has been sent to prison for not paying the tv licence as no contract they can only take you to court if you sign on the dotted line when there goons pay you a visit as that is the form they send to the court to fine you in the first place.

        now if the court fines you and you dont pay it they can then send you to prison because you are now in a contract with the court under statute law made buy the government and you signed on the dotted line to admit your guilt.

        and that’s why the bbc send letters to the legal occupier and in legal terms that means a enemy of the state!

        we are still slaves to the system it has just been replaced with greed and debt boom and bust for the last 200 years.


        November 8, 2020 at 10:09 pm

      • The reason Trump won in 2016 has largely been put down to the ‘Farage’ or ‘Brexit’ factor here so to speak, in as much as it was the electorate (or a large portion of) sticking two fingers up at the Establishment, and the fact that Hillary was such a bad alternative, despite the fact that she actually got more votes (the peculiarities of the U.S. voting system). Essentially it was Hobson’s choice between Trump the Corporate Fascist and Clinton the Establishment oligarch.

        As for gun laws, I do hope Biden can do something about it. The Constitution has been misinterpreted by the pro-gun lobby as it only gives the People the Right to hear arms in the face of Government oppression, not all the time, and if course the word “oppression” is subjective and open to interpretation but it really means if the Government is behaving unlawfully against the People. I really hope gun laws can be further curtailed as it is out of control now and getting ridiculous with the amount of mass shootings taking place. No civilized society needs to have guns. Personally I’d like to see the same thing happen here with regard to airguns, a total ban if public ownership unless you belong to a shooting range and have a licence, which needs to be strictly administered, no one under age of say 30, no one with a criminal record, no one with a history of violence or mental illness, and no one allowed to carry an airgun in public, all weapons registered, etc.


        November 8, 2020 at 10:46 pm

      • the right to bear arms is in the declaration of independence they had a civil war and we lost and that was all over taxes why that kicked of in the first place.


        November 8, 2020 at 11:19 pm

      • @ superted

        Apparently it goes back to the 1689 English Bill of Rights, so it’s no longer relevant and time it was done away with.


        November 8, 2020 at 11:44 pm

  57. Did you get that from the BBC!


    November 8, 2020 at 8:58 pm

  58. Your irrational hatred of Trump is driven purely by the lying mainstream media, quite pathetic really!


    November 8, 2020 at 11:23 pm

    • My dislike of Trump and what he stands for is not “irrational”, on the contrary it is entirely rational and well justified based not upon his representations in the media but upon his own words and deeds, as most of the world will undoubtedly agree. It is your defence of Trump that is irrational and pathetic. You cannot defend the indefensible, you haven’t got a leg to stand on, the case against Trump is proven.

      Are you defending his racism?

      Are you defending his sexism?

      Are you defending his repeated and continued lies?

      Are you defending his Tax avoidance?

      Are you defending his Political policies?

      Are you defending his disregard of public health safety in the face of a pandemic?

      Are you defending his support of far-Right violence?

      Are you defending his claims of sexual assault?

      Are you defending his disregard of Climate change?

      Are you defending his removal of environmental protection laws?

      Do you dare to deny any of the above?


      November 8, 2020 at 11:54 pm

      • Tiger lily even my cat can see what a plank Trump is…..


        November 9, 2020 at 7:10 pm

      • The cats in my street leapt for joy at Biden’s win.

        Not sure how the’re taking this news though:

        Andrew Coates

        November 10, 2020 at 12:47 am

      • A senior statesman and an old friend of this Blog speaks:

        Andrew Coates

        November 10, 2020 at 11:51 am

      • Smith should “butt-out” too, he’s not in Government, he’s no longer a Minister he’s just an MP. His constituents in Chingford are not directly affected by the Irish border.


        November 10, 2020 at 3:49 pm

    • “Lest We Forget the Horrors: A Catalog of Trump’s Worst Cruelties, Collusions, Corruptions, and Crimes”



      November 9, 2020 at 12:19 am

      • New York Slimes and Washington Compost… Seriously!


        November 9, 2020 at 1:22 pm

  59. Trump is a bully & he is proud of it. He is not educated & shows it at a stupid idiot who was running a very bad game show as host. Winners don’t like losing, they are very bad losers because they are winners. Selfish egos that are full of shit & everyone is a loser apart from him. What is there to like about that !!!

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    November 8, 2020 at 11:44 pm

  60. Bye bye Donald we don’t have to put up with your warped brain anymore.

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    November 8, 2020 at 11:46 pm

  61. @ Tigerlily and Cloverleaf

    I have never understood how anybody could like or support Donald Trump. Please could you tell me why you do? Genuine question. What is it about Donald Trump makes or encouraged you like him? I am honestly interested.


    November 9, 2020 at 8:44 am

    • @ Aleister

      I’m completely mystified by that too. I suppose the little things he does endears him to the Far/Alt-Right, you know like taking Mexican kids from their parents and putting them in cages…


      November 9, 2020 at 11:56 am

    • I don’t half fancy old men with orange faces that’s why 😉


      November 9, 2020 at 12:22 pm

      • That’s an amusing answer Cloverleaf, but Aleister was asking you a genuine question and I’d like to know too, what do you like about Donald Trump?


        November 9, 2020 at 1:13 pm

    • I am indifferent to Trump, it’s the constant smear campaign against him that got my interest, either Trump is working against the parasite classes wishes or all of what is happening, the election etc, is all part of the theatrics!


      November 9, 2020 at 1:49 pm

      • A “smear campaign” is when people and publications /organizations deliberately use untruths and unsubstantiated allegations to undermine someone. This is not the case with Trump. He undermines himself by his own words and deeds, which are self-evident and entirely substantiated. He lies habitually and is always proved to have been lying by a simple fact-check. Those are the FACTS, not a “smear”, but the absolute truth of the matter. I think you are being blinded to the truth by your own paranoia and mistrust of any and every legitimate news outlet, preferring instead to place your trust in crank conspiracy websites.


        November 9, 2020 at 3:27 pm

      • Legitimate news outlet, what like the BBC, Sun, Guardian etc, all gutter rags, I think your problem Trev is that you can’t stand the fact that other people don’t hate Trump like you do, you are suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome!


        November 9, 2020 at 5:36 pm

      • Wrong again Tigerlily, it is people like you who are in a minority, I think you’ll find that pretty much the entire world hates Donald Trump, every man and his dog. No one except his supporters like him, no one with half a fucking brain would even attempt to come to his defence. Your position is untenable.


        November 9, 2020 at 5:51 pm

      • Have you asked everyone in the world if they hate Trump, thought not, your assumption yet again has been pulled out of the arse of the mainstream media,do you believe that the msm never lies?


        November 9, 2020 at 6:19 pm

      • Don’t you remember the reaction when Trump was first elected in 2016? The entire world reeled in shock and were stunned by the unimaginably awful news. Don’t you remember that image of the Statue of Liberty crying? It went viral. I don’t know what circles you mix in but I can honestly say that you and Cloverleaf are the only people I have EVER encountered either online or in person who likes Trump or has a good word to say about him.

        The New Yorker called it “An American Tragedy”



        November 9, 2020 at 7:10 pm

      • @ Tigerlily


        November 9, 2020 at 7:24 pm

      • How would you know that the whole world reeled in shock, the gutter press said so, how would they know that the whole world reeled in shock, they didn’t, they lied, most people are brain washed, they don’t know how or are to lazy to think for themselves, the msm does it for them, Edward Bernays would be most proud!


        November 9, 2020 at 8:11 pm

      • Seriously Tigerlily I think there’s something wrong with you, go see a psychiatrist about your paranoia and detachment from reality. I don’t mean that as cheap insult, I’m not joking, you need help.


        November 9, 2020 at 8:17 pm

      • That’s how it is now Trev, if you don’t adhere to the mainstream narrative then there must be something wrong with you mentally, well if that’s the case then I’d rather be a loon!


        November 9, 2020 at 9:23 pm

      • It’s good to keep an open mind but not so open that your brains fall out. Yes, be sceptical, question things, but don’t fall into the trap of thinking that the whole world is out to get you, that everyone is lying. I have personal experience of mental health issues and I’ve also seen friends lose touch with reality through getting too deep into internet conspiracy theories. Of course various aspects of the media do have their own agendas, Political affiliations and biases. They put their own spin on news stories, but it doesn’t mean that every single news report is an outright lie. You have to maintain a sense if balance and make a reasonable informed opinion. One mate of mine lost the plot completely and saw the “Illuminati” everywhere behind every single happening both currently and throughout history. He alienated himself from all his friends as it became impossible to hold a normal conversation. Paranoia is not healthy. There are good Political leaders and bad ones, and all manner of dirty tricks, but you’ve got to believe in something positive, some aspect of truth and integrity in and amongst the chaos.


        November 9, 2020 at 9:41 pm

      • trev if you are sent to the whp for a 2 year stint will you sign the providers contract ?


        November 9, 2020 at 9:51 pm

      • I don’t think I will be sent on it. I’m wise to the things that drop you in it, the sort of answers that Work Coaches pick up on. I’m careful not to say anything that would drop me in it. Never mention any health issues as perceived barriers if asked what’s preventing you from getting a job or why you think you’re not getting interviews. Mention your age, lack of transport, long gaps in your CV, but not your health. If you get sent for an interview or to register with an agency, that’s when you mention your health problems. Keep shtum to Coachey.


        November 9, 2020 at 10:05 pm

      • your health or age will not matter with whats coming and that means working full time for your benefits for a 3rd party company that will be mandatory.

        your answer says it all tbh you wont make a very good mp pmsl 😉


        November 9, 2020 at 10:12 pm

      • I thought you meant the Work & Health Programme (WHP ?). They only have a limited budget for that and have to be quite selective about who they refer, often based on health issues seen as barrier to work. They won’t get far with me anyway, even if sent on something like that I’m capable of playing along and giving the impression of being engaged but without actually really being engaged. It’s a skill that I’ve developed and perfected over many years of doleness. You can’t kid a kidder, and you can’t teach an old dog new tricks 😉


        November 9, 2020 at 10:24 pm

      • the simple answer was no but are willing to participate but will not sign anything per dwp rules and regulations as that is the law.

        and thats why i have had not to stay at any provider since 2010 because i know what my rights are and will defend them and there was no foi on this back then, i stood my ground and stopped them in there tracks.

        it was never mandatory it was just a lie but the dwp pushed it anyway in breach of there own rules and regs.

        short answer is you can not argue a case against a work coach they all lie to get there agenda completed so it is pointless engaging with them anyway in the first place.

        and every government is the same they all lie do not want any accountability for there actions and will blame all of us for it at the end of the day as not doing what we was told via msm non stop.

        and when this bs does come to a end like brexit something else will pop up and it will never end until what they are trying to do is done.


        November 9, 2020 at 10:48 pm

      • None of it will ever end until you hit Retirement age, everything until then is just passing time. This year has been useful in that regard if nothing else. It will soon be 2021, and that’s another year over and done with and out of the way. I’m just treading water until I can get my State Pension, no matter what hoops I have to jump through in the meantime, it’s all passing time.


        November 9, 2020 at 11:01 pm

      • Trev

        Trump got more votes than last time but probably the most important fact of this election was that dew to him once again, more people irrespective of vote cast, turned out than ever or at least in 120 years if we play the percentage game.

        People didn’t vote for Biden, they voted their hatred for trump which is essential to acknowledge.
        Lastly but also worthy of note, America hasn’t been this divided since the civil war.

        Love, hate or tolerate him, trump has left a legacy. The question now is to what end will it manifest itself.


        November 10, 2020 at 10:48 pm

  62. UK faces pre-Christmas slump on back of new Covid restrictions

    Surveys of business activity show a sharp decline as both confidence and output fall

    Britain’s economy is set for a pre-Christmas slump with further job losses and shop closures, despite government measures to protect businesses during the latest Covid-19 restrictions.


    Enough problems here without worring about the US and whispy Joe.


    November 9, 2020 at 11:10 am

  63. Joe Biden has said to Boris about the Brexit USA Trade Deals & Northern Ireland borders. Boris you have really fucked up Britain like Trump.

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    November 9, 2020 at 12:47 pm

    • Undermine the Good Friday agreement.

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      November 9, 2020 at 12:56 pm

  64. Coronavirus: More than 4,000 people waiting for PIP appeals in NI

    BBC News – 9th Nov 2020

    Thousands of people in Northern Ireland are waiting for their Personal Independence Payment (PIP) appeals to be heard due to a huge backlog caused by coronavirus.

    PIP replaced Disability Living Allowance (DLA) in 2016.

    Figures obtained by BBC News NI show there are currently 4,104 cases listed for appeal.

    Victoria Brown, from Glengormley, County Antrim, said the wait had made her feel “reduced to nothing”.

    The grandmother lost her full disability benefit when it changed over to PIP and she has now been waiting for a year on an appeal.

    Between March and July, all PIP appeals were suspended as a result of the coronavirus pandemic.

    Since July, some people applying for PIP, or appealing a decision, have been offered assessments over the phone.

    The Department for Communities said the recommencement of face-to-face appointments “is kept under constant review”.

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  65. DWP Safety Dispute in Jobcentres and UC Service Centres – PCS wins further concessions
    09 Nov 2020
    The thousands who voted in the consultative ballot in August, returning a just short of 80% “yes” vote for action on health and safety, has placed PCS in a strong position during negotiations

    We have already used that positive result to make gains against our key demands of withdrawal of the notice to extend services to 8pm and a Saturday, and for no increased footfall in Jobcentres until it was safe to do so.

    PCS had robustly pursued these demands and negotiated a pause in the notice to work to 8pm until March and a commitment for Work Coach “empowerment” in Jobcentres. These concessions effectively remove the immediate risk that extending the opening of these offices would bring during the week, and would be a significant step in controlling the face to face requirement for our members in Jobcentres.

    Despite these positive measures being agreed they were not enough to satisfy the GEC that sufficient progress had been made to settle our dispute, not least as the autonomy of Work Coaches would still need to be implemented properly and a number of members gave the announcement a cautious welcome, wanting to see it bed in properly before accepting it delivered a control on footfall, and the extension of Saturday working still on the table.

    PCS serve notice
    In light of this position, the GEC agreed to write to DWP with our remaining demands, with a deadline by which to respond. Following this deadline the GEC, in consultation with a number of branches, took the decision to serve notice of a strike ballot involving a number of workplaces, whilst agreeing to continue with negotiations throughout the week.

    Further gains made
    The GEC has continued to press DWP strongly on our demands. We have been very clear that the safety of our members is our top priority, and while we welcome the decision around 8pm and the decision to allow Work Coaches the autonomy to decide if claims need to be progressed digitally, by phone or in person, these alone would not satisfactorily mitigate the risk of extended opening and increased face to face activity.

    The GEC is pleased to report that as a result of our collective response, using the consultative ballot result, the strong feedback we received from members and branches, the willingness of members in branches to move to a strike ballot, and the forceful pursuit of our demands by GEC negotiators, we have secured further improvements that go some way to mitigate the risk faced by members in Jobcentres and the 21 UCSCs.

    The GEC has secured the following agreements as a way forward:

    Footfall in Jobcentres
    Full autonomy to work coaches to decide how best to progress a customer’s needs, whether it be by telephone, digitally or, only if necessary, face to face. We have also reached agreement to revert back to seeing only the most vulnerable customers face to face, when they cannot be supported by any other means, during both the current lockdown and in Tier 3/equivalent areas, in England, Scotland and Wales.

    The combination of both Work Coach “empowerment” and restricted service in the highest risk areas, should go a long way to achieve our demand of no increase in footfall on our front facing offices.

    Extended late opening
    The department has paused its intent to press ahead with plans to operate to 8pm across many of the 266 Jobcentres and 21 UC Service Centres. We have also reached agreement that existing working patterns, including Covid relaxations, will roll over until next year. This means that no extension of operating hours will take place in these offices, Monday to Friday, no 8pm working will happen in until March 2021 at the earliest, and only staff who have continued to work to 6.30pm throughout the pandemic can be expected to do so from 30 November.

    Saturday operating
    PCS has not agreed to the department’s decision to press ahead with Saturday working in these sites. We maintain our position, that extending operating to 6 days a week in these offices is unnecessary and increases the risk to safety in those workplaces.

    We have, however, made progress and have been able to agree to limit the service offered on a Saturday, by appointment only, to those most in need that cannot be seen any other time, with ad-hoc callers being dealt with front of house and signposted on how to progress their claims remotely.

    We have also secured for those offices in higher risk Covid areas and/or busier locations that only the most vulnerable customers will be seen, and throughout December these offices will reverting back to the service they provided between March and July.

    Still in dispute
    Despite the real progress made PCS is still in dispute with the employer, and while we have taken the decision not to proceed to a statutory ballot at this stage we will keep the implementation of all of the above under review, as well as the situation post December.

    The GEC will meet next week to review the ongoing situation and review the latest feedback from branches.


    November 9, 2020 at 1:10 pm

    • Shut down the Jobcentres for good and keep them shut for ever and a day. No need for any Work Coaches, no need for signing appointments, no need for jobsearch requirements. Continue paying Benefits automatically.


      November 9, 2020 at 1:19 pm

    • You know it is that bad when the Work Roaches go to their union for help against the DWP.

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      November 9, 2020 at 1:52 pm

      • No one knows how long this is going to go on for.

        Due to the current situation we have put this vacancy on hold.


        November 10, 2020 at 1:48 am

  66. January 1st 2021 The UK in meltdown. Standstill January everything don’t work. The fear is not getting food to the supermarkets, then there will be civil war because there is no delivery of food at the supermarkets. What a Tory fuck up & all the people that voted for the Tory Boris & Brexit are moaning & ashamed why they voted for useless idiots called the Tory Party.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    November 9, 2020 at 1:56 pm

  67. Good news for those who work for a living.

    The lowest paid staff working at businesses accredited with the Living Wage Foundation will have their hourly rates raised from £9.30 to £9.50 from today.

    More than 250,000 workers, including carers, cleaners, security guards and shop staff, at nearly 7,000 firms will benefit.


    November 9, 2020 at 3:44 pm

    • Wow a 20p rise & a 10p rise in London workers.

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      November 9, 2020 at 4:41 pm

      • The rate of inflation is much higher, so really it is more like a £1 an hour lost at least.

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        November 9, 2020 at 4:42 pm

  68. Seems all good news today being a Monday. Goes down hill for the rest of the week.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    November 9, 2020 at 4:38 pm

  69. At this rate it’s going to be a long time yet before the Jobcentres are open and back to normal….

    MP’s urgent call for longer lockdown and more intense measures

    “Barry Sheerman says we are facing an apocalyptic situation and no-one seems to understand its gravity”



    November 9, 2020 at 4:40 pm

  70. went to the dentist today for some xrays and a temp filling and have to go back next week as can use the drills and see about getting me 2 crowns on the nhs fitted.

    tho this time they did not ask me to sign anything just said was on jsa and that was it!


    November 9, 2020 at 5:14 pm

  71. The phrase “the new normal” was used by the Guardian as far back as 2017 in relation to food poverty:


    Trump’s plans to cut food stamps for the poor in the U.S. was overturned by a Federal Judge:



    Here in UK Tory MP Alec Shelbrooke tried but failed to introduce food stamps, but you can bet the idea hasn’t entirely gone away and I think could resurface some time in the near future…




    November 9, 2020 at 5:16 pm

  72. I’ve not heard anything from my dentists since my appointment was cancelled in March. And my GP surgery are not letting anyone in without an appointment, you have to wait outside and talk to reception via an intercom and they come to the door with your prescription.


    November 9, 2020 at 5:33 pm

    • you have to ring the dentist to make a appointment they dont even send it via email anymore.


      November 9, 2020 at 5:47 pm

  73. The problem with Social Media is they will believe any old shit like a heard of brainwashed sheep. Have you heard the heard mentality !!!

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    November 9, 2020 at 8:08 pm

  74. man that granny should have gave plod the right hook pmsl and that fat women could have squished that kid on the bike.


    November 9, 2020 at 11:45 pm

    • Some potentially good news…

      Covid: Have we finally got a coronavirus vaccine?



      November 10, 2020 at 12:18 am

      • Thing is the volunteers who tested the vaccine were all young, an age group that has the most resistance to and least affected by Covid-19: all we know at the moment is that the vaccine in properly conducted trial appears effective for 90% of young and healthy people. Nobody knows yet whether the vaccine is as effective in older people or people with underlying health conditions etc. If the vaccine is safe, i.e., does not cause serious side-effects in most recipients, only administering it to multitudes, including people over 65 and those with health conditions, and monitoring what happens to them over time can answer such questions.


        November 10, 2020 at 9:25 am

      • Only time (and further testing) will tell, but let’s hope for the best.


        November 10, 2020 at 11:58 am

  75. Jonathan Reynolds responds to latest unemployment figures

    Jonathan Reynolds MP, Labour’s Shadow Secretary of State for Work and Pensions, responding to ONS statistics showing more redundancies this quarter than during the financial crash and continued increases in unemployment


    Back the workers not the shirkers of Brexit costs.


    November 10, 2020 at 12:50 pm

    • Andrew Coates

      November 10, 2020 at 4:33 pm

      • 2.6 Million on Universal Credit & JSA November 2020. It will pass Margret Thatcher’s 3 Million by Christmas.

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        November 10, 2020 at 4:51 pm

      • During this second lockdown, we’re providing safe and limited access to essential services from most of our library sites.

        PC booking will be available for essential use such as Universal Credit, jobseeking etc at many of our branches.
        You will not be able to browse in libraries.

        Mobile library and Home Library Services will be suspended.

        You can still order and collect items from libraries via our reservations and Select & Collect service
        Fines for overdue titles are suspended and loan return dates have been extended until 16 December.
        View the full details of our service changes →
        Latest updates for Suffolk Libraries

        Andrew Coates

        November 10, 2020 at 5:30 pm

      • This may affect many too.

        DWP leaves thousands of people’s personal data online for more than two years

        Bungling officials published more than 6,000 people’s personal data on the internet in a what appears to be a “serious” breach.

        A DWP spokesman said: “Information issued in error as part of our regular transparency releases has been removed and will be replaced with revised data as soon as possible.

        “While no one can be identified from the additional information published, we apologise for the mistake.

        “We take our responsibility to protect data very seriously and have reported the incident to the Information Commissioner’s Office.”



        November 10, 2020 at 7:33 pm

      • More than 6,000 people!

        I mean like the data they have on us is pretty detailed.

        Andrew Coates

        November 10, 2020 at 8:46 pm

      • and that is why i do not give them a phone number or email address.

        when the first wp started the coach would send all of your details to a provider at the press of a button and had no say in it.

        so they cant send what they dont have in the first place same as my wp exit report was blank pmsl 😉


        November 10, 2020 at 9:10 pm

      • On the other hand, email can work in your favour. On the Work Programme the Provider adviser, or whatever she was, told me to forward my jobsearch evidence to her by email, which I duly did at the end of the week one job email at a time, one after the other, dozens of them, click-apply-save-forward. She got so sick of me block-filling her inbox (Fnar..fnar) that she finished me from the scheme 6 weeks early!


        November 10, 2020 at 9:54 pm

      • Nice one!

        When this first began I used to print out in the library the jobs applications and give a pile of them to Coachey.

        They never asked me for this direct stuff.

        In fact I thought that was a UC thing.

        How technology has liberated us!

        Andrew Coates

        November 10, 2020 at 10:24 pm

      • Yes I did the same, used to walk in to every signing appointment with piles of library prints which they would rarely even bother to read, just a cursory glance which really annoyed me. Now (or normally) I just save all the confirmation job application emails in to a folder and show them on my phone. Doesn’t make any difference apart from saves me money on prints but they’re still never satisfied and of course never will be, it just means they can’t sanction you because you have provided evidence of jobsearch. What a farce, a total charade just for the sake of it.


        November 10, 2020 at 10:38 pm

      • i am not giving any 3rd party permission to processes my personnel data let alone sign up for it and be a good little profit unit and share emails so they can have a job.

        you have a choice you can say no and have nothing to do with any 3rd party’s for profit! in the fist place.

        there not going to help you gain any skills or help you get a job so why keep doing it?

        it is called control do this or else i said no and turned my last wc to dust because they was wrong broke there own rules and regs and thought i was stupid when i have been doing the same thing since 2010.


        November 10, 2020 at 10:14 pm

      • Word to the wise

        Your journal currently provides space to enter jobs not to dissimilar from how you would present it on paper. The difference however is that they can retain this data legally meaning its never done and dusted like it is when you visit them personally with the paper version.
        Under GDPR, DWP can obtain data from potential employers under exemptions. Currently i believe they do not do this but its worth noting they can without your consent.
        I would imagine when that point of use is reached, it would no doubt be for the purpose to incite that a candidate requires a work programme to iron out what they will claim as bumps.
        Probably the most shocking, the journal is setup to provide (not operational as yet i believe) the account holder the ability to link jobsite accounts to the journal.

        Again while this wouldn’t be to dissimilar from site printouts of itemized applications, it again can be retained.
        The advantage of the link however is itself is a link to the job vacancy that will list requirements and the potential employer/s. In just a few clicks the work coach could be on it meaning they will be in your business more than ever.


        November 10, 2020 at 11:16 pm

      • doug and that is why you do not make a uc claim on line in the first place it is a trap to control your data and keep it forever, a uc claim can be made over the phone and no journal.

        also there is no time limit for a sanction doubt! a screen shot is no good at a tribunal you need proof in paper!

        digital buy default yay 😉


        November 10, 2020 at 11:37 pm

      • Superted

        Digital data/records have been admissible in court for ages but must fit certain criteria s.


        November 14, 2020 at 10:16 pm

  76. Iain Duncan Smith is ranting a lot recently is he not happy how his Universal Credit baby is being handled or does Iain Doppy Shit want to be the new Tory leader & Prime Minister !!! Was Universal Credit not designed for 5 million people using it !!!

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    November 10, 2020 at 6:23 pm

    • He’s a man on a mission, a Sociopathic/Psychopathic megalomaniac. He’s now wanting the Government to fund his Centre for Sociopathic Justice (CSJ) to the tune of nearly half a Billion to design and deliver Universal Credit phase II, which seems a bit ambitious/optimistic seeing as UC phase I has cost at least £16 Billion so far and still isn’t fully rolled out.


      November 10, 2020 at 7:22 pm

  77. superted

    November 11, 2020 at 2:12 pm

    • @superted

      This FoI applies to people who are claiming benefits for the first time. What about those of us who are to be migrated from a legacy benefit to UC? Do you know what the procedure is for us? Do they do it in-house as it were?

      jj joop

      November 11, 2020 at 4:04 pm

      • no idea as that is a long way off atm just do not give them a email address as without one they can not setup the journal and setup up the digital account in the first place.


        November 11, 2020 at 4:16 pm

      • The Draft Universal Credit (Managed Migration)
        Regulations 2018 (SI 2018/****)

        Click to access draft-universal-credit-managed-migration-regulations-2018-report.pdf


        November 11, 2020 at 4:22 pm

      • Thanks for that, ted.

        According to ANNEX 1 CONTENT OF THE NOTIFICATION, it looks like legacy claimants will be notified that they will have to make a new UC claim by a specified day otherwise their benefits will be terminated. I’m guessing they’ll be given a letter.

        jj joop

        November 11, 2020 at 5:33 pm

      • The setting of an individual deadline date by which time a claim for Universal Credit must be made. A preparation period of around four to six months will precede the deadline date, alerting claimants to the need to make a claim, warning them that their existing entitlement to legacy benefits would be ending and preparing them for the migration process. Claimants will receive at least onemonth’s notice of their individual deadlinedateandtheDepartment will seek to engage with claimants to help them through the process.


        November 11, 2020 at 5:57 pm

  78. Avoidable death rate targets

    Please kindly provide your active targets for lowering the avoidable death rate (where stopping a claimant’s benefit has been deemed to have played a role in their death).

    I can confirm that the information you have requested is not held by the Department. This is
    because we do not have such a target.



    November 11, 2020 at 2:31 pm

  79. Every week the SNP ask why legacy benefits have not been increased by twenty pound week and Boris and the chancellor never answer the question. We know the Tories hate the poor. What really angers me is the refusal of Keir starmer to ask a single question regarding the unfairness. He has moved the labour party position from standing up for the poor to representing the middle classes.


    November 11, 2020 at 4:14 pm

    • @ Rob

      If Labour ever do get in power do you think they will scrap Universal Credit? I don’t think they will. They’ll tinker with it, probably do away with the 5 weeks advance loan and make it payable right from the start of the claim, which would be a good improvement, but we’ll still be left with monthly payments (inc. Housing Benefit) in one lump sum, still left with unreasonable jobsearch requirements and sanctions, and will it increase to a level compatible with what the Council of Europe said 6 years ago, i.e. 40% more than it is now?
      Regarding the £20 increase and JSA ‘legacy’ Benefits, Jonathan Reynolds has brought this up but I don’t know if he’s said si officially in the HoC or just mentioned it in interviews and on Twitter etc. but I can’t recall Starmer saying much about it.


      November 11, 2020 at 5:01 pm

  80. Andrew Coates

    November 11, 2020 at 4:25 pm

    • It’s a sad state of affairs, in 2020, how many more people in the UK are in similar circumstanses.


      November 11, 2020 at 4:43 pm

  81. How we’re helping to end child food poverty – Dr Therese Coffey


    Anger as Tories ‘have to be dragged kicking and screaming’ to help hungry kids



    November 11, 2020 at 6:48 pm

    • How we’re helping to end child food poverty – Dr Therese Coffey aka Marcus Rashford.
      Why is Dr Therese Coffey taking the credit for not working !!!

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      November 11, 2020 at 7:06 pm

      • Marcus Rasford for PM.

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        November 11, 2020 at 7:07 pm

      • Typical lying Tory scumbags, true to form lying through their teeth about the poverty that they caused in the first place and continue to perpetuate through their policies, Universal Credit, Sanctions, repayable Hardship loans, inadequate State Benefits, Bedroom Tax, Welfare reforms, Austerity, etc. etc. Those who voted for the Nasty Party are the ones to blame, do you feel proud Tory voters?


        November 11, 2020 at 7:18 pm

      • The Tory voters are now all ashamed to be Tory voters & are only moaning about what they voted for. Even more stupid they didn’t know what they were voting for with Boris Johnson. Boris Johnson one of the most lazy people in the country who always fucks things up. The only thing Boris Johnson is good at is clap & gonorrhea which he still needs testing for.

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        November 11, 2020 at 9:02 pm

      • I think many of them voted for Full English Brexit, which they were told was “oven-ready”, but now it’s been stuffed and is only half-baked like a microwave culinary metaphor for one.


        November 11, 2020 at 9:50 pm

    • I have mentioned this before I think, but near me is a Seventh Day Adventist Church that does food – this is not part of the main Food Book system here.

      Every Sunday there is a queue outside, though I think after Lockdown they may have stopped for the moment (their church is probably not fully functioning).

      The people waiting for food are not school children.

      Andrew Coates

      November 11, 2020 at 10:13 pm

      • Healthy eating is part of the beliefs of Seventh Day Adventists, they used to provide a soup kitchen just down the road from me every Tuesday afternoon using the premises of a CoE church, I was their first customer! They gave me a cup of tea whilst I waited then some homemade vegetable soup with some bread, and very nice too, and gave me a leaflet all about their belief in the importance of eating healthy food. It didn’t catch on in my area though, hardly anyone went.


        November 11, 2020 at 10:23 pm

      • https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/seventh-day-adventist-diet#what-it-is


        Both the Sikh and Hindu temples do food as well and will feed anyone who turns uP.


        November 11, 2020 at 10:35 pm

      • Sikh temple does here and has done for a long time but I don’t live nearby.

        Andrew Coates

        November 12, 2020 at 11:05 am

  82. The Tories can’t get nothing right. Sending a tweet goes wrong for Boris or can he blame his office staff for sending a tweet to Joe Biden with TRUMP in the background. How about combing your hair Boris the big fat slob.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    November 11, 2020 at 7:09 pm

  83. did anyone get a letter from the dfh as extremely vulnerable to cov19 ? signed matt 4th November , i got one and one from the council 6th November pat is a bit slow atm pmsl.


    November 11, 2020 at 11:52 pm

  84. DSC_0017



    well at least i have not been ran over and raided buy the police this lock down thing are on the up and dentist next week yay 😉


    November 12, 2020 at 12:13 am

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