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Universal Credit: Inside the Welfare State. Hats off to the BBC!

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The BBC documentary on Universal Credit showed a side of life a lot people know about, and yet some do not.

I thought it was a fine investigation.

The investigation showed ordinary people, people you could know, grappling with a system that, for many, makes their lives worse.

Debt, on the pitiful level of benefits, is a major problem.

They programme makers could have showed a lot worse…..

They did run the smug, no doubt richly rewarded,  git at the DWP head office who thinks that UC is the shining future…

Hats off to the BBC for Universal Credit: Inside The Welfare State

The thread in the programme last night that struck me was how hard it is to juggle working on a zero hour contract and any kind of decent life.

Universal Credit clearly did not help.

This is how some people saw it,

Bolton News.

Viewers hit out at Universal Credit ‘vultures’ after BBC show centres on Bolton

VIEWERS of a BBC show have hit out at the government after an episode set in Bolton showed people struggling to deal with the Universal Credit system.

The final episode of Universal Credit: Inside the Welfare State was aired last night and showed two struggling women, Jenny and Paula, who are trying to navigate the new rules around benefits.

20 year-old Jenny finds a waitressing job which appeals to her. However, she quickly realises that the zero-hour contract makes her shift pattern unpredictable.

As Universal Credit is paid a month in arrears it can leave her with very little to live off and confused about how much money she will get on a monthly basis.

Paula takes advantage of an advanced payment system to get her money earlier. But, she is not used to receiving this amount of money in one payment, and spends much of it quickly leaving her struggling to survive on what’s left.

The show drew a strong reaction from viewers and many were angry at the way the system works.

Twitter user MidBoss wrote: “Saw trending, was reminded that the vultures at DWP once tried to sanction me for attending a doctor’s appointment to alleviate a serious health concern.

“Meanwhile, the landed gentry sleep in the House of Lords and get paid to do so.”

Others had even more difficult battles with the system.

One Twitter user wrote: “I was unemployed for 5 years on JSA under the job centre’s boot, do you have any idea how it feels to be rejected for every single job interview for 5 years without feedback?

“I was close to suicide before I got into university, lucky really.”

Another Twitter user Sean Michael said: “A huge portion of people on UC are hard working people who want to do the most they can.”

Mirror:

People were disgusted at the problems in Universal Credit where claimants end up in debt, in the last episode of BBC show Inside the Welfare State.

Twitter user Martyn G said: “Just watching the BBC programme on Universal Credit and these Middle Class Morons who have been running the DWP have been hiding their fat heads in the sand with regards to the Delay in payments having a direct effect on hardship and foodbank use!”

Amongst many comments this stands out:

Twitter user Thomas Hemingford said: “With Universal Credit and work, the system leaves people constantly chasing their tails, not knowing if they’ll have money for bills. It’s no way to live, you can’t plan, and you can’t build a life like that.”

And then later: “Universal Credit crushes people. It causes severe anxiety and mental health problems. Not just amongst adults, but children, too. It pushes people into a debt spiral. That does not help anyone.”

One viewer tweeted that they had worked in finance and analysis for 21 years before they “became unable to work” and went onto Universal Credit after moving towns.

They said they “keep meticulous budgeting spreadsheets for myself and even I came unstuck during the 5-week wait”.

This is Coffey’s latest Tweet..

 

Written by Andrew Coates

February 19, 2020 at 4:46 pm

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  1. Anyone else catch glimpses of the late 👿 Iain Duncan Smiths ghost 👿 in the scenes filmed in Caxton House?

    Haunted

    February 19, 2020 at 4:52 pm

    • It was really quite spooky. It was eerie to see his Incorporeal spirit sat in on DWP meetings quietly cackling to himself in a disembodied voice as the misery of universal credit was laid bare. You could almost sense the chill permeating the room. Something very unusual for an over-heated DWP buidling. A tormented spirit so obsessed with universal credit that even from beyond the grave he couldn’t let go of his ‘baby’ A spirit so demented that even in death it revels in the misery his earthly body brought forth.. Still it was amusing to watch his disembodied spectre dragging itself along the corridors in manacled chains.

      The Haunting of Caxton House

      February 20, 2020 at 10:00 am

  2. This is worth mentioning when we talk about the debts people have got into:

    Andrew Coates

    February 19, 2020 at 5:13 pm

    • Debt and poverty used as sticks to beat the unemployed into line.

      Paul

      February 19, 2020 at 6:44 pm

  3. Therese Coffey demonstrated that she has no grasp of reality by denying that any causal link exists between DWP policy and destitution. Clearly the 5 weeks wait for UC payment and the repayable advance loans are pushing people into further poverty because the Benefits they eventually receive are not designed to cover such extra expenses. Benefits are only just covering the normal costs of living and not the repayment of debts. For Coffey to not grasp this simple point must therefore mean that she is unfit for the job. Universal Credit is unfit for purpose, as is the entire DWP, and the Tories are unfit to govern by allowing this situation to have occurred in the first place and to persist.

    trev

    February 19, 2020 at 5:34 pm

  4. Reblogged this on Tory Britain!.

    A6er

    February 19, 2020 at 6:07 pm

  5. ‘Universal Credit is designed to help people on short-term and zero-hour contracts’. No it isn’t, its designed to ‘help’ people onto short-term and zero-hour contracts. And into the world of crap jobs and far-right ideology.

    Jeff Smith

    February 19, 2020 at 6:42 pm

  6. got thrown out the jokecenta for playing the piano pmsl

    superted's rotten teef

    February 20, 2020 at 12:19 am

  7. It’s no good putting lipstick on a pig. At the end of the day a crap job is still a crap job.

    Colin Claimant

    February 20, 2020 at 10:46 am

    • Tell that to Miss Piggy.

      Kermit the Frog

      February 20, 2020 at 6:18 pm

  8. Andrew Coates

    February 20, 2020 at 11:42 am

    • Plus I would suggest, the general attitude of hostility to claimants that seems to be embedded into Universal Credit. As if claiming benefits is somehow wrong, and the DWP are entitled to treat claimants in a dismissive and patronising way. As if they are receiving charity, but this is is only given with reluctance.

      Jeff Smith

      February 20, 2020 at 11:54 am

    • But we were told that universal credit payments would be processed in ‘real-time’. What happened to the ‘live link’ to employers and the HMRC? A monthly bundling and submission of data is not ‘real-time’.

      Real-time ;(Computer Science) denoting or relating to a data-processing system in which a computer receives constantly changing data, such as information relating to air-traffic control, travel booking systems, etc, and processes it sufficiently rapidly to be able to control the source of the data

      Carol

      February 20, 2020 at 11:57 am

    • There is nothing ‘real-time’ about universal credit. In fact, it is slower, less reactive and less responsive than the ‘old’ system. But it is a lot cheaper to ‘deliver’ which is all that matters to the bean counters at the DWP.

      Sarah

      February 20, 2020 at 12:03 pm

      • It’s all about the two ‘Ps’- Pushing and Punishment. Pushing people off benefits, and Punishing them if they won’t go.

        Belinda

        February 20, 2020 at 12:08 pm

    • The thing about uc is that it is designed from the bottom up to accommodate part-time and zero hour contract jobs. It is expected that EVERYONE on uc will have a ‘job’ even if it is just a few hours a week scraping shit off the toilets in your local pub. uc is designed to squeeze some ‘productivity’ out of the economically inactive.

      Taaliah

      February 20, 2020 at 12:11 pm

      • Anybody caught up in that trap has a tale to tell about it’s landed them in the shit.

        Andrew Coates

        February 20, 2020 at 12:22 pm

      • Once they got Universal Credit in place, it was the end of traditional benefits for the unemployed and disabled. And now we see the cruel results of this.

        Jasmine

        February 20, 2020 at 12:37 pm

      • That’s true but the bit they leave out is that most jobs, even zero-hour contract jobs, involve a commute to get to the workplace and back and also that if you are affected by the Universal Credit taper, i.e., if you are on Universal Credit and earning less than 35 hours on the minimum wage, you have 63% of what ever it is that you have earned deducted from your Universal Credit entitlement. In other words if you work while on Universal Credit and are under the cosh of the taper the maximum you are actually working for:

        37/100 x £8.21 = £3.04 per hour

        So if your bus/train fare, or whatever, is more than the number of hours you work multiplied by £3.04 you are actually WORSE OFF than you would be without that work which cannot be right under any circumstances.

        Universal Credit is a hideous and perverse social security system for everybody but particularly those with insecure variable work like those on zero-hour contracts. As the Beeb has done recently the perversity of the Universal Credit regime need to be brought out into the light of day so that everybody can see how bloody awful and damaging it really is.

        Hellion

        February 20, 2020 at 2:04 pm

      • Plus if you have to travel for a few shifts every week you end up paying the same in fares than someone purchasing a weekly ticket. And there are a lot of expenses that you don’t think about. Like that girl on the mockumetary she had to wear a clean top everyday so she was like doing a daily wash and the stingy boss only gave her two tops. You will end up worse off alright.

        Jenny

        February 20, 2020 at 2:20 pm

      • A lot of jobs especially working with the public you have to look presentable. You have to get your hair done every few weeks. it costs at least £70. Then they expect you to pay for dental treatment like whitening at over £200 a go. Who can really afford to work on for rubbish wages?

        Stacey

        February 21, 2020 at 5:54 pm

  9. As if the BBC give a shit about the misery of UC, where we’re they exposing that grotty little paedophile Saville???

    Tigerlily

    February 20, 2020 at 1:06 pm

    • Of course they don’t give a shit. Just scared of their own jobs. There are plenty of cushy jobs at the BBC if you know the right people/have the right connections 😉 Shut the fuckers down! Let them eat cake!

      Abigail

      February 20, 2020 at 1:53 pm

  10. Why are millions of children in the UK not getting enough to eat?

    https://amp.theguardian.com/food/2020/feb/16/food-poverty-millions-children-uk-not-enough-to-eat

    trev

    February 20, 2020 at 3:57 pm

    • Yes I work in a school and all the time we see kids coming on hungry having not had breakfast or their packed lunch is one piece of bread. Been going on years now

      katrehman

      February 20, 2020 at 8:04 pm

      • In one of the richest countries in the world. It’s disgusting. 40 years of neoliberalism and a decade of Tory austerity has created this disgraceful state of affairs.

        trev

        February 20, 2020 at 8:17 pm

  11. Because the Committee of 300 won’t let them.

    Violet

    February 20, 2020 at 4:28 pm

    • The so-called “Committee of 300” is a conspiracy theory with antisemitic undertones.

      trev

      February 20, 2020 at 4:35 pm

      • All these people are amateurs compared with the Illuminati.

        Bepharus

        February 20, 2020 at 5:05 pm

      • Who do you think is behind universal clag, the man on the moon… oh i forgot nobody has been to the moon!

        Tigerlily

        February 20, 2020 at 5:13 pm

      • Where did you read that trev? Wickedpedia.

        Violet

        February 20, 2020 at 5:20 pm

  12. ‘ Work is the refuge of people who have nothing better to do.’ Oscar Wilde

    Rob

    February 20, 2020 at 5:11 pm

    • Too right it is !

      Dave Blunt

      February 21, 2020 at 11:43 am

  13. One point, people on Twitter etc have been slagging off the women in the BBC documentary in debt, and who smoked.

    That’s as may be, but I noticed that she was paying £3,50 a packet, which is the standard price for contraband cigs (for 10).

    They certainly got their authenticity right.

    Andrew Coates

    February 20, 2020 at 5:30 pm

    • No one can afford to pay legit British prices for fags or baccy. £20 Tax on a 50g packet of Golden Virginia.

      trev

      February 20, 2020 at 6:09 pm

    • The person in question was spending more than £3.00 a day on fags, i.e., about £100.00 per month, and was bringing/dragging up a young daughter in front of whom she swore like a trooper in front of continually despite claiming to want to set a “good example” for her. (I pray to God she wasn’t smoking that much while pregnant although suppose she must have been being a nicotine addict.) The daft woman couldn’t even curb this crude and horrible behaviour when on camera! Audiences might be lulled into believing that a majority of benefit claimants are scattered low-lives based like that awful woman’s antics which isn’t true. On the bright side at least the Tories won’t be able to accuse the BBC of bias towards benefit claimants after featuring such tragic and hopeless people in their three part series on Universal Credit, but, just like Benefit Street and other sensational poverty porn which “starred” a veritable menagerie odd-balls, rejects and defects rather than more balanced “normal” people this kind of thing plays into the hands of the Tories and newspapers like the Daily Mail who covertly/overtly want to see social security wither on the vine by insinuating that people living on it do not deserve it.

      Yasser

      February 21, 2020 at 8:05 am

  14. Once universal credit sweeps away the old benefits and we are all ‘working’ and there is no dole to speak of.we are going to see an erosion of the nominal difference in income between being out of work and in work. The few coppers extra we receive in our pockets from working rather than languishing on the dole is being eyed up by greedy councils, greedy (social) landlords etc. These vultures will take every last penny and leave us with no discretionary spending to think of. We can already see this with council tax rises, (social) rent increases as universal credit spreads its roots.

    Barbara

    February 20, 2020 at 6:10 pm

  15. The nastiest thing about Universal Credit is that the people who deserve and need the most immediate help are the ones who suffer the most under the new system: Only the poorest applicants have to put themselves into debt by applying for an “advance”, which in reality is a bridging loan that gets paid back from deductions from UC entitlements which increases the poverty of the recipients, and only the most naive and vulnerable will have difficulty with things like the online application process, claimant commitment and such like.

    People in most need of help are the ones who get the least and who face the most difficulty under UC.

    This cannot be right and should not stand.

    Steve

    February 20, 2020 at 6:17 pm

  16. The BBC series about Universal Credit was spoiled for me by the ne’er-do-wells like the bloke who had been unemployed for a decade and obviously didn’t want to work if he could help it and the woman who was spending over £100 every month on cigarettes, who had a child and said the F word over and over again in front of her daughter. This played into the hands of the people who say that the unemployed don’t deserve decent levels of support because they lazy, indolent and workshy or crude unpleasant people who spend their dole money on smoking and booze while setting a terrible example to and neglecting their children.

    Yasser

    February 21, 2020 at 7:18 am

    • Why should someone be dissed for choosing to lead a simple, low-carbon, anti-capitalist ‘lifestyle’. It is this whole fetishism of work, work, work and more bloody work that keeps the whole capitalist pig’s edifice afloat.
      We are trained from the day we are born to Work, Consume. Die. We are nothing but economic cogs in an economic wheel. Those who do the work, the REAL work do not benefit from their work. If you are stupid enough you can spend a lifetime buying into the work, work, work and more bloody work crap and have the sum of diddly squat to show for it. Refusing to buy into this shit is the only fightback against the system open to the poor. We are expected to grind ourselves into early graves whilst the capitalist pigs live long and healthy lives. It is possible to do things differently. Greece, a case in point. A more relaxed lifestyle would lead to long and healthier lives.

      Meanwhile as the poor are driven further into penury the Bank of England rubs our faces in it by turning money – money that could be used to help the poor – into compost!

      Turning billions of £20 notes into compost

      “Spend £20 today and it could soon be on its journey to becoming compost.

      The Bank of England has begun the massive task of destroying £40bn-worth of paper banknotes, which will be replaced by new polymer £20 notes.

      Around two billion paper notes will be withdrawn and recycled to be used as a soil improver for agriculture.”

      Unbelievable! No ‘austerity’ as far as the Bank of England goes.

      Kat

      February 21, 2020 at 11:24 am

      • Same thing happened in 1993, 2001 and 2010 when the William Shakespeare, Michael Faraday and Charles Darwin paper £20 notes were replaced by paper notes. The Bank of England is independent of the government and redesigns the notes and coins of the country periodically in order to reduce the chance of counterfeiting using newer technologies. When the Queen dies and someone succeeds here new notes and coins will be commissioned with a portrait of the new Monarch on them and gradually be introduced to replace the polymer notes introduced over the last few years. All this would happen no matter who was in government and the country experiencing austerity or prosperity.

        Carney

        February 21, 2020 at 12:39 pm

      • This money if paid to the DWP, would clear all the debts for people who had to have an advance payment on Universal Credit.

        Vigilant

        February 21, 2020 at 3:03 pm

    • The daughter seemed like a smart kid. What a contrast to that stupid slob, chain-smoker of a mother she was lumbered with. It just goes to show how our life chances are affected by the environment we are brought up in and who our parents are. Hopefully this kid will avoid the pitfalls that her idiotic mother has fallen into and do well for herself. Good luck to her.

      Bethany

      February 21, 2020 at 11:36 am

    • Mothers who smoke/drink/take drugs whilst pregnant are pure, selfish scum. It is so bad that some kids are born drug addicts.

      Doctor

      February 21, 2020 at 11:41 am

    • These poverty porn mockumentaries are like Channel 4’s ‘Naked Attraction’. You wonder how they get people to appear on them 😀

      Chucky

      February 21, 2020 at 11:47 am

      • Oi wouldn’t mind loike if the people on ’em were fit loike.

        Bazza

        February 21, 2020 at 11:58 am

  17. I think the bbc aired this documentary on universal credit especially to frighten people into getting a job, and any old rubbish job at that, it’s all scare mongering on the part of aunty.

    Violet

    February 21, 2020 at 8:25 am

    • Or a covert attack on a government that seems hell bent on removing the TV licence fee ?

      Dave M.

      February 21, 2020 at 10:46 am

      • Could be Dave.

        Violet

        February 21, 2020 at 5:46 pm

      • The BBC is trying to get the public on side because the useless tosser are scared shitless of losing their cushy jobs. As soon as Boris caves in on scraping the anachronism that is the licence fee it will be normal service resumed.

        Rose

        February 21, 2020 at 5:58 pm

  18. They should do another documentary where we see what kind of jobs, if any, these people get from Universal Credit. And how they are forced to live in their new golden future of employment.

    Jeff Smith

    February 21, 2020 at 10:50 am

    • Jeff as someone who works 25 hours a week and is too scared to claim UC I can tell you we don’t live we subsist. Trailing round lots of shops for the best bargains. Not even able to afford basics like new glasses never mind a day trip ot a holiday. Work does not pay

      katrehman

      February 21, 2020 at 1:08 pm

      • @katrehman – It’s wrong that someone working a full 25 hours a week, is put in this situation. Where they are so concerned about Universal Credit that they would rather not claim it. You are missing out on support that you should be getting. And you would be getting, in a decent welfare system that supported people on benefits, instead of trying to intimidate and discipline them.

        Jeff Smith

        February 21, 2020 at 2:53 pm

  19. As I watched TV news reports of the proposed new points-based immigration rules it became clear that my worst fears are likely to be confirmed. Opponents of the scheme expressed their concerns in terms of adverse effects on the English economy. Nobody seemed to have recognised the inevitable tragic consequences for the educational and career prospects of future generations of young indigenous English.

    My own progress towards a senior role in the electrical power industry was greatly assisted by the training support and sponsorship of English firms in the utility and equipment manufacturing sectors. With the new open door for well-qualified, oven-ready, English speakers from all corners of the planet, what major employer is going to fund its own training scheme? To add to the misery, Priti Patel is advising employers to concentrate on training indigenous recruits to carry out the “low-skilled” tasks for which migrant labour will no longer be available. In summary, our young people will have to compete with foreigners for well-paid skilled employment but will find themselves directed (by the Jobcentre) towards an easy pathway (for the Jobcentre) into a low-skilled, low-paid, future.

    The saddest part of all this is that the overall reduction in immigration which motivated so many Brexit voters is by no means certain, or even likely to occur.

    Hard Hat

    February 21, 2020 at 3:02 pm

  20. My, my, lots of judgmental comments calling perfect strangers “scum” and “low life” based upon the way in which they were represented on a tv show. People spending their Benefits on fags, tut, tut. What do you think the rich spend their money on? Bibles and hymn books? The rich spend their money on champagne and cocaine. And so what if a 60 year old bloke with a history of illness doesn’t want a job? Who can blame him? And what about the people on that old tv show ‘Benefits Street’? They seemed like perfectly ordinary people to me, going about their mundane lives, just like the rest of us. I spend some of my dole money on roll-up baccy, which has nothing to do with anyone else, and if you don’t like it then up yours you judgmental sanctimonious prick.

    trev

    February 21, 2020 at 3:14 pm

    • If you have children and spend your dole money on unhealthy self-gratifying carcinogens like tobacco, Trev, you are scum in my book. When you are trying to get by on a limited income cadged from taxes paid by other people and businesses money like that should be spent on your children not addictive cancer sticks that shorten your life and could deprive your kids of a parent or even leave them orphaned. Most parents believe that their children should always be put first and also not eff and blind left, right and centre in front of them either. The potty mouthed chain smoking mother on the BBC’s series about Universal Credit was a disgrace as a human being, woman and a mother.

      Yasser

      February 21, 2020 at 3:28 pm

      • yet the uk debt will never be paid off but plenty of cash to buy new bombs plans and aircraft carriers tho pmsl
        http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/

        superted

        February 21, 2020 at 3:36 pm

      • WTF’s it got to do with you? Since when did you become the arbiter of mankind? No one in this world is perfect, why do you expect/demand perfection in others, and specifically of the poor? Presumably it’s ok for Therese Coffey to smoke expensive cigars and get pissed, but not the poor. It’s ok for IDS to swill down his foie gra with the finest wine and brandy. Ok for Gove to snort a line or two of coke. Your hypocrisy is sickening. Your criticism serves to reinforce the Tory / Victorian notion of the undeserving poor. And the way in which other people bring up their children is absolutely fuck all to do with you. Children that might see their mum smoking a fag, or over hear their mum swearing, but is otherwise cherished and well loved, as opposed to rich kids brought up by nanny before being packed off to boarding school whilst mummy and daddy winter in Italy.

        trev

        February 21, 2020 at 3:49 pm

      • Totally agree Trev, I don’t see why people should not smoke and drink, and this rant against people who do sounds like it comes from some toff telling us how to live our lives.

        Andrew Coates

        February 21, 2020 at 4:24 pm

      • Its a society built on borowing,the problem is the economic stability doesn’t support that more so for low paid.Trapped in debt.

        The problems go much wider then Universal Credit and the government’s handing of various recent events’ needs investigating.Theres some very concerning signs.

        ken

        February 22, 2020 at 3:34 pm

    • How many rich people do you know personally and spend time with, trev? If not any or many how could you possibly know what they spend their money? What you write is as daft and prejudiced as saying that the Irish are hot tempered, Scots are mean and Welsh are dishonest. Or that black people have lower IQ’s than white people and should be forced to take contraceptive pills to stop them from breeding an underclass, just like the recently sacked/resigned Andrew Sabisky. Rich people are not all selfish and bad any more than the poorest in society are the salt of the earth.

      Bezos

      February 21, 2020 at 3:35 pm

      • EAT THE FUCKING RICH

        trev

        February 21, 2020 at 3:51 pm

      • Trev.

        You are an introverted snob and slope-browed idiot. Let me try to explain what I mean simply so even a simpleton like you might understand. If you have children and are living on a limited income you should not waste any of that income on your own unhealthy pleasures but spend it on your kids to nourish them properly and keep them healthy. Every cigarette in your mouth or alcoholic drink that you down is money snatched away from the mouths of your own flesh and blood, potentially bringing them to harm, and that smacks of a selfishness which only the most backward and ignorant people are capable.

        “Children that might see their mum smoking a fag, or over hear their mum swearing, but is otherwise cherished and well loved, as opposed to rich kids brought up by nanny before being packed off to boarding school whilst mummy and daddy winter in Italy.”

        The woman in question openly admitted that she smoked £100.00 worth of cigarettes a month, not the odd fag now and again, and swore in front of her young daughter incessantly, not once in a while when upset or pressured. Hopeless cases like you and her give benefit claimants a bad name. Working class heroes don’t sit on their arses whingeing all day, frittering away their lives trying to avoid work, but get out there into the world, try to make it better and make something of their lives.

        I would pity you if you didn’t squander so much of your time pitying yourself so much better.

        Yasser

        February 21, 2020 at 4:11 pm

      • @ Yasser

        Spoken like a true Working Class Tory. Reactionaries like you are the problem. Get back to reading your Sun and Daily Mail.

        trev

        February 21, 2020 at 5:38 pm

      • “Have they no refuge or resource?” cried Scrooge. “Are there no prisons?” said the Spirit, turning on him for the last time with his own words. “Are there no workhouses?”

        A Christmas Carol.

        “Lost wealth may be replaced by industry, lost knowledge by study, lost health by temperance or medicine, but lost time is gone forever.”

        Samuel Smiles, author of Self Help. 1859.

        Andrew Coates

        February 21, 2020 at 6:17 pm

      • @ Trev

        A woman who complains, quite correctly as it happens, about not having enough money to live on who then puts the purchase of cigarettes above buying fresh fruit and vegetables for her daughter and by doing so turning that daughter into a passive smoker by blowing stale tobacco smoke over her all day is NOT a good mother. That is not me being judgemental but a patent and unavoidable fact. Such a person is a weak, selfish and negligent person but at least, give her her due, did say that she wanted to get into work unlike you who seems to be going out of his way to avoid any kind of labour and happy to live of involuntary donations from poor working class people’s taxes by way of benefits.

        Karl Marx said: “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.”

        Socialism and Communism expects people to contribute to society according to their ability and to receive help from society in return as they need it, not to be supported by society indefinitely without trying their best to put something back when they can, as best they can. Socialism and Communism are and were never about doling out money to workshy spongers who didn’t want to try their best to contribute to the common good. This reciprocity has always been and still lies at the kernel and heart of left-wing politics. You are either ignorant of this fact or choose to ignore. As for judging others, well, you are the most vociferous and judgemental person haunting this blog.

        Crawl out from the pit of your own whiny self pity and man up for goodness sake.

        Yasser

        February 22, 2020 at 8:19 am

      • @ Yasser

        By “contributing to the common good” you mean a 61 year old woman doing THREE part-time jobs cleaning toilets for min. wage to make ends meet, or a 60 year old bloke with an history of illness being forced to clean trains for peanuts, or people forced into zero hours contracts, and then on top of all that they are going to be dictated to by the likes of you, an opinionated nobody, about what they can or can’t spend their pittance of money on? Sounds like you believe in the PWE, and that there is honour in being an exploited work slave, whilst the rich parasites living off of our labour can do what they like with their ill-gotten gains.

        trev

        February 22, 2020 at 11:04 am

      • But chips ARE a vegetable 🙂

        The Spid Family

        February 22, 2020 at 9:25 am

      • @ Trev

        No. I think that people should contribute what they can to the common good by way of their labour, taxes etc., not be expected to do what is beyond them physically, emotionally or mentally. There are people, hundreds of thousands of them, that are being pushed far beyond what is fair and I do not support exploiting people by forcing them into zero-hour contracts or multiple jobs which involve multiple commutes which are costly and unreasonable. That said people living on the largess of the state should be willing to do what they can by accepting reasonable offers of employment or doing other things in the community on a paid or unpaid basis, e.g., volunteering to plant trees etc., or even by making a bit of an effort on their own behalf to secure the right kind of employment and/or do a course or some kind of training to improve their chances of ever enjoying a decent wage.

        I do not believe that the wealthy should be allowed to indulge themselves parasitically on the backs of others nor that able-bodied non-employed citizens capable of work should be allowed to do a cut down version of the same thing either by living permanently off benefits funded by taxes paid by others, wealthy and of very modest means, to run the country and support the vulnerable and the helpless who have no chance of supporting themselves. I am in fact a card carrying member of the Labour party and let me tell you, even when Jeremy Corbyn was leader of the party for several years, the views you have expressed on this public forum would be anathema pretty much to all members of Labour. Nobody in the party as far as I know supports a wealth grab from the idle and exploitative rich to fund more lavish and elevated lifestyles for the idle work-capable poor who deliberately shirk work and recognise no obligation to participate, as well as they can, in contributing to the common good in one way or another.

        I never said anywhere that people should no spend their benefits on tobacco. Individually, when others are not affected, I couldn’t care less how people spend their incomes as individuals. I did say, or tried to say, that I believe that no mother with a young child/children fated to live on very inadequate benefits for an indeterminate length of time should not waste any of those benefits on carcinogens like cigarettes, nor smoke them in front of children exposing them to toxic exhalations, but devote as much of her money as possible to keeping the children in her care as happy, healthy and properly nourished as possible. Most responsible and loving parents would I have no doubt agree with that. Parents should not put dangerous pleasures like fags and booze ahead of the welfare of their children. Not ever. Never. I have no sympathy for those who do.

        I am not aware of any left-wing political party which espouses the rather nutty and extreme views you appear to harbour, where living on benefits permanently and deliberately is considered to be akin to striking a blow against the plutocracy, aristocracy, oligarchy, bourgeoisie or whatever. Neither Jeremy Corbyn nor the Labour party believes that. I know that what is left of the Communist party doesn’t. Nobody serious about creating a better, more prosperous and socially just society believes that insofar as I know.

        You are alone.

        Good luck to you anyway.

        Yasser

        February 22, 2020 at 12:29 pm

      • @ Yasser

        “the idle work-capable poor”, there you go again. The deserving and undeserving poor.

        trev

        February 22, 2020 at 1:50 pm

      • Potatoes are NOT a vegetable. Spuds are a tubular. They don’t even count towards your five, seven or whatever it is now a day.

        Potato Chip

        February 22, 2020 at 1:10 pm

      • @ Trev

        If you are unemployed, able-bodied and work-ready but have not the slightest intention of accepting any kind of employment or trying to pull your weight alongside ordinary men and women whose labour provides the money that you claim fraudulently in benefits to keep you alive in poverty, yes, you do not deserve help from a society you spurn and never intend to contribute anything to, leeching a living undeservingly – yes, no doubt about it “undeservingly” is the word – from a civil secular society while refusing to contribute to its continued existence, while being perfectly able to, swinging the lead and pulling strokes while you are able to get away with it.

        And guess what? It’s not the wealthy or the middle class who loathes such freeloaders most but the poor put upon working class, doing their bit, holding their own and giving something back to the society that harbours them even if they need top-up support from that society to survive.

        You need to get your head out of your rectum, sport; you are a disgrace to your own class.

        Yasser

        February 22, 2020 at 3:54 pm

      • @ Yasser

        No one chooses a life of poverty. Poverty is not the fault of the poor. Unemployment is not the fault of the unemployed. Very few people are unemployed simply because they are too lazy, I suspect a negligible minority. You are merely echoing Tory rhetoric.

        trev

        February 22, 2020 at 4:02 pm

      • Not even Marx believed in what trev believes in: “From each according to his ability, to each according to his
        needs” or put more simply “To each according to his (trev’s) contribution”. This is the tenet of socialism. Where socilalism differs from capitalism is that socialism rejects unearned income i.e. profit, But Marx still expects you to work like a dog bollocks to make your contribution: “If you don’t work, you won’t eat” There is one ‘politiacal party’ that does support trev’s aspirations, however, and that is ‘Class War’ who go by the ephitet “EAT THE RICH”.

        Engels

        February 22, 2020 at 7:59 pm

  21. Andrew Coates

    February 21, 2020 at 4:54 pm

  22. Thérèse has probably got balls the size of a hogs (🐷)
    Sorry folks I couldn’t resist that.

    Violet

    February 21, 2020 at 5:41 pm

    • “four-bedroom houses” 🙂 That’s like a mansion. Would love one of them 🙂

      Belinda

      February 22, 2020 at 1:07 pm

  23. A group of protesters calling itself “House the Irish First” has staged a three-week picket that has halted building work on 65 social homes in west Dublin.

    The protesters insist they are not racist but are “angry” about how the housing crisis is affecting families they know.

    The group of about 50 people, mainly women, has mounted a 24-hour presence at the entrance to the site at Ladyswell Road, Mulhuddart, since mid-January. Construction work halted a few days after they began their protest and has not resumed.

    The site is being developed by the housing association Clúid and will comprise two-, three- and four-bed houses as well as one-, two- and three-bed apartments, 22 of which are described as “age-friendly”.

    The women said they see social housing being built but that a disproportionate amount is allocated to “non-national families who are not from the area” – a charge Fingal County Council denies.

    The women said their families are spending up to 15 years on the waiting list with many ending up leaving the area to get housing.

    Mulhuddart, a largely working-class area, is one of the most ethnically diverse in the State, with almost 40 per cent of the adult population born outside Ireland, compared with a figure of 17 per cent nationally.

    In such a context it could appear that a disproportionate number of migrant families are allocated housing compared with other areas, said Píaras Mac Éinrí, a lecturer in University College Cork.

    “While international experience has been that hostility to immigrants has increased where there are inadequate public services, including housing, my sense is that there hasn’t been a significant grassroots mobilisation against immigration in Ireland.

    “I say that without wanting to be smug.We mustn’t be complacent,” he added.

    The protesters want half the social houses built in Ladyswell reserved for Mulhuddart households on Fingal County Council’s housing list, and the other half to be available to the wider council list.

    “We watch these houses being built, and none of our children on the list are getting them,” said one woman in her 50s, who did not want to be identified. “They can be 10, 12 years on the list, and they’re going nowhere. There’s no explanation as to why.”

    Sheltering under a gazebo at the site entrance, the mothers and grandmothers said they will continue their protest until they reach an agreement with Clúid and the council.

    “We have heard there are two lists,” said Nova Gannon (50). She said her 29-year-old daughter is homeless with two children. “We don’t know how it works. What we do know is the list for the girls from around here has not dropped, and non-national families are moving in. We are tired of seeing the girls move out of the area, away from their family supports. Our communities are being broken.”

    Celine Corish (27) said she is living with her sons aged nine and five in her mother’s three-bedroom house with 10 other people.

    “There’s one bathroom. I share a bedroom with my sister, her two kids and my two kids. There’s damp all over the walls and ceiling. We got the council out and they said the damp is because it’s so over-crowded. I’m 7½ years on the list, number 860.” She said she has been told she will be waiting seven to 10 more years to be housed.

    Notice to leave

    Kiera Emmet (34) has two young daughters. The house she has rented for nine years was sold last year, she said, and she is “living week to week” waiting for a day’s notice to leave.

    “I rang the council, and they said if I’m lucky I’ll get a hotel for me and the kids. I’ve chronic depression. The doctor is after upping my tablets. I just can’t cope anymore,” she said, breaking down in tears.

    She said she has been on the housing list for five years and is number 265. “I only went down 10 places last year. There’s nothing. You’re just a number. They don’t care,” she said.

    Asked why they have named their group “House the Irish First” while insisting the protest “has nothing to do with racism”, Alice Woods said: “We have been integrating with our African community here for over 15 years. We have no problems here with racism. We mean our local African-Irish, Chinese-Irish children too. They are Irish citizens.”

    They “of course” would not protest if there was “housing for everyone who needs it”, said Ms Woods, adding t the current dearth of housing “stokes racism . . . it makes you bitter . . . we haven’t a problem with anyone who needs a house, but it has to be done fairly”.

    The group’s members said they would like the housing allocation system explained. They said they are not affiliated to any far-right groups.

    A Clúid spokesman said he did not know when construction would resume. The housing body has no say in who would get the homes, he added. “Fingal County Council will allocate these homes to the people on their housing list.”

    The council said: “We have long-established policies which are the fairest way possible of allocating housing to those on the list. The council is responsible for meeting the housing needs of the community which includes the elderly, the disabled, the homeless, the Traveller community and also a growing migrant population.”

    There are 6,959 applicants on the council’s housing list who indicate a preference for the Dublin 15 area, the council said.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/house-the-irish-first-group-halts-building-work-on-65-social-homes-in-west-dublin-1.4174252

    The Irish Time

    February 21, 2020 at 6:19 pm

  24. They are not racist, but…

    trev

    February 21, 2020 at 6:41 pm

    • Of course they are not racist, trev. If they were they would be burning down the homes like what happens in parts of the UK.

      Housing is always going to be, is THE bone of contention since there never seems to be enough and when it look like there is going to be enough artificial demand is created deliberately to put pressure on the supply.

      You have to put yourself in these peoples shoes though to see where they are coming from. Picture yourself sat in crumby, inadequate, damp-ridden accommodation with your family. You have been sat on a waiting list for what seems forever. Then you see the moneyed-classes from overseas arriving in your country, and being handed a brand-new home. People who have no connection with the country. There kids been given they best start in life whilst your kids rough it. The incomers are ambitious too. They want their kids to do well, they want them to get a good education, get the best jobs etc. And your kids who are disadvantaged by crappy housing are going to end up in crappy low-paid jobs. It is all about advantage and opportunity. These Irish people are having their lives and their kids futures blighted. And you wonder why the get angry?

      Irish Rose

      February 21, 2020 at 7:27 pm

      • Burning down homes in the UK? Not sure what you’re referring to there. And the “moneyed classes from overseas”? Not poor economic migrants and refugees then?

        trev

        February 21, 2020 at 8:24 pm

      • ffs trev, nobody on uc can afford the bus fare into town, never mind move home a couple of continents!

        Akbar

        February 21, 2020 at 8:28 pm

      • During the troubles in Northern Ireland as people moved out of Belfast to new housing estates being built ASAP in surrounding towns, as a house was finished a brave or desperate family moved in, no asking may I, and it worked out.
        That is the answer in the Irish Republic, just move in, Take the fucking houses. I’d love to watch the Garda try to evict them while fighting off thousands of angry homeless and their supporters. The only answer in the long run is force as there is really no point in trying to talk to the political serfs of the EU.

        Emerald

        February 21, 2020 at 9:46 pm

    • “Mulhuddart, a largely working-class area, is one of the most ethnically diverse in the State, with almost 40 per cent” That is quite a shocking statistic. This is where these Kalegri great replacement conspiracy theorist get their ideas from. It would be interesting to see the demographic in a generation or twos time.

      T Bickle

      February 21, 2020 at 7:45 pm

      • Who cares? People are people, regardless of ethnicity or silly things like nationality, we’re all just humans, one Humanity sharing one planet earth. The Celts and Gaels from whom the Irish are partially descended came from Northern Spain!

        trev

        February 21, 2020 at 8:19 pm

      • You are busted as a troll, trev. Nobody can be so blind to not see the bloody conflicts that have been fought and are still being fought around the world.

        Troll Buster

        February 21, 2020 at 9:15 pm

      • a Troll

        What are you even talking about? Of course there are bloody conflicts all over the world, hence the large numbers of displaced people in the form of refugees and asylum seekers fleeing from those conflicts in need of safe refuge. Are you blaming the refugees for the very conflicts that they are fleeing from?

        trev

        February 21, 2020 at 9:27 pm

      • @ trev, coming out with that naive statement you are either a) a troll or b) a 19-year-old student ‘activist’ sat in a bedsit listening to John Lennon ♫Imagine there’s no religion, no countries too, All the people of the world living together in harmony. You may say I’m a dreamer♫ Which one is it?

        Saus

        February 22, 2020 at 9:42 am

    • Back in the day if a girl wanted a brand new home all she had to do was get herself up the duff. It doesn’t work anymore though because of you know what.

      Marg

      February 21, 2020 at 9:08 pm

      • @ Margg, Coitus Interruptus ?

        Telstar

        February 22, 2020 at 12:26 pm

  25. @trev – You carry on mate. Cigs are not that great for your health, but if you smoke that’s up to you.
    Everyone needs a bit of a treat now and then. The foodbanks put chocolate biscuits and such in the parcels. Don’t listen to that other idiot. Nothing worse than a flat cap Tory.

    Dave

    February 21, 2020 at 8:49 pm

  26. Boris should grow as pair and shut down the BBC!

    Nagga

    February 22, 2020 at 9:52 am

  27. Andrew Coates

    February 22, 2020 at 12:46 pm

    • DWP: Dozen top professors demand end to Universal Credit children’s cuts in the Budget

      EXCLUSIVE: Scores of MPs, unions and academics including 12 university professors have called for the Budget to end to the two-child limit – which they say is driving families to food banks

      “It is a basic minimum that everyone in our country should be able to feed themselves without needing emergency food parcels.

      https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/dwp-dozen-top-professors-demand-21546685

      None of this getting anyone nowhere,society is falling apart.

      ken

      February 22, 2020 at 3:43 pm

      • Just so as long as it’s not you who is going out to work to pay taxes to keep other people’s kids, eh, ken? If you keep needlessly burdening the welfare state it is going to implode and take you and your dole money with you. What you are asking for is not even in your own best interests. Be careful what you wish for, ken?

        Chinese Whispers

        February 22, 2020 at 5:29 pm

      • Just so as long as it’s not you who is going out to work to pay taxes to keep other people’s kids, eh, ken? If you keep needlessly burdening the welfare state it is going to implode and take you and your dole money with it. What you are asking for is not even in your own best interests. Be careful what you wish for, ken?

        Chinese Whispers

        February 22, 2020 at 5:30 pm

      • @ Chinese Bollocks

        “burdening the Welfare State…implode, etc.”

        Unemployment is at an all time low according to the Tory vermin, so you can’t have it both ways. Spending on unemployment benefits must be cheap as chips now that everyone’s in work.

        trev

        February 22, 2020 at 5:48 pm

      • trev love, you are confusing record numbers of people in employment with record numbers of umemployed. There is a very subtle difference, maybe too subtle for you to grasp. Anyway, we aren’t given unemployment figures anymore it is the number of employed.

        Florence

        February 22, 2020 at 7:43 pm

      • @ trev You still haven’t explained why you are unemployed?. There are jobs available so why have you been unemployed for such a long time? Fruit and veg pickers were in very short supply last summer and was left rotting in fields as a result- so why didn’t you find work? Don’t you want to work?

        Alib

        February 22, 2020 at 9:04 pm

      • “Welfare state impodes” Are you Jo Swinson, the mistreess of hyperbole by any chance? You know, “crashing out the EU” 😀

        Timmy Farron

        February 23, 2020 at 7:20 am

      • And by the day, Jo. You cannot crash OUT of anything. You crash INTO something. That is how you sound and look.

        Timmy Farron

        February 23, 2020 at 7:22 am

      • **by the way. Long night out on the tiles at a ‘conference’ 😀 [hic, hic]

        Timmy Farron

        February 23, 2020 at 7:24 am

  28. As of Q1 (the first quarter of) 2018, UK debt amounted to £1.78 trillion, or 86.58% of total GDP, at which time the annual cost of servicing (paying the interest) the public debt amounted to around £48 billion (which is roughly 4% of GDP or 8% of UK government tax income).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_national_debt

    Mainstream media headlines today are focused on Britain’s record national debt, which just surpassed £1 trillion, a figure that can only exponentially increase unless the entire mechanism of Government finance is overhauled. The truth however is much worse, factoring in all liabilities including state and public sector pensions, the real national debt is closer to £4.8 trillion, some £78,000 for every person in the UK.

    http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/

    if unemployment is so low why is the debt not going down? its going up faster than ever same as the usa as we pay the interest of 5% per gdp a year and pay nothing of the loan/debt.

    so there was no austerity in the uk borrowing is higher than it ever was under this government and it is not going to stop going up any time soon it is going to go up faster than ever to the point your kids grand kids will still be paying it off at this rate and buy then just the interest per year will be enough to build a death star space station each year.

    if we paid back all we owe debt wise we would have about 13% of gdp and tax left to pay it all off in 12 months to run the hole country.

    and i bet in total the real uk total debt will be over 6 trillion and going up fast. as tax payers cant keep up with the price of new nuke subs and icbm missiles that goes on the national debt credit card and does fuck all bar cost even more money.

    superted

    February 23, 2020 at 12:06 am


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