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Iain Duncan Smith receives knighthood in New Year Honours

Former Conservative Party leader Iain Duncan Smith heads the political recipients in the New Year Honours, with a knighthood.

As work and pensions secretary under David Cameron, Sir Iain was the architect of the Government’s controversial Universal Credit welfare reforms.

Opposition parties said it “beggared belief” that someone whose policies had caused so much distress should be honoured in this way.

In government, Sir Iain argued the changes were designed to end the benefits trap, ensuring that it always paid for claimants to take work, while simplifying the system.

Iain Duncan Smith knighthood labelled a reward for ‘legacy of cruelty’

The award of a knighthood to former Conservative Party leader Iain Duncan Smith has been criticised as a reward for a “legacy of cruelty and failure”.

As work and pensions secretary under David Cameron, Sir Iain was the architect of the Government’s controversial Universal Credit welfare reforms.

Opposition parties said it “beggared belief” that someone whose policies had caused so much distress should be honoured in this way.

Labour’s Lisa Nandy lambasted the award, tweeting that it was a “disgraceful decision by Boris Johnson to reward a legacy of cruelty and failure”.

 

Angry backlash as former Tory leader and Universal Credit architect Iain Duncan Smith is knighted Max Jeffery

An angry backlash has erupted after former Conservative Party leader Iain Duncan Smith was given a knighthood in the New Year Honours list.

Written by Andrew Coates

December 28, 2019 at 9:32 am

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  1. I can’t believe how friggin Right wing this country has gone. An honest man like Jeremy Corbyn is vilified whilst a murderous evil bastard like Iain Duncan Smith gets a Knighthood. I feel like I’ve slipped into a parallel universe where Hitler won. This shows the utter contempt the Establishment has for the poor.

    trev

    December 28, 2019 at 9:45 am

    • Corbyn played his hand terribly, absolutely awfully by giving in to Tory taunts and agreeing to participate in a rushed December general election. A wise, strategic and competent leader would have refused knowing that he/she couldn’t possibly win such a contest and forced Boris and his minions to struggle on until everything fell apart for them under its own weight. Based on Jezza’s perkiness during the electoral campaign I believe that he was stupid enough to really, honestly and truly believe that under his leadership Labour was finally in a fit state to win a general election showing how naive, disconnected from reality and politically maladroit he was. (He reminds me of contestants on the X-Factor who think that if you really, really want to succeed and be rich and famous you can overcome the obstacle of having not one single scintilla of skill, talent or ability.) There was never any possibility that Mr Corbyn was ever going to end up Prime Minister of the country but, buoyed up by cheering audiences of the convinced, deceived himself into the false belief that he had the makings of a great statesman worthy of the highest political office.

      Labour lost party because of Brexit but mostly because Boris Johnson convinced the nation that they had a binary choice between Jeremy Corbyn and him and that if he wasn’t returned as PM, the UK would be stuck with Jeremy Corbyn as Prime Minister for up to five years.

      (Which was true.)

      The nation caught its breath, held its nose, and picked what voters thought was the least worst option.

      Nuiin

      December 28, 2019 at 3:58 pm

      • I agree about the General Election, but it was not just Tory taunts: it was people close to Corbyn, on the pro-Brexit ‘left’ who were urging him to do that.

        If you are familiar with the left their names are the Morning Star and Counterfire, Stop the War Coalition/People’s Assembly (both of whom used be best mates with George Galloway, to give you a flavour of their capacity for judgment).

        Andrew Coates

        December 28, 2019 at 4:21 pm

      • @Nuiin – I agree 100%, Corbyn was a liability from day one, as anyone with any common-sense could see.
        He just wasn’t leadership material, as they say in the Army. When the Eton-bred Tory snob is the better alternative, there has really been a pig’s ear made of things.

        Jeff Smith

        December 28, 2019 at 5:24 pm

      • *Rolls eyes*

        Here we go again. Nothing to do with Brexit I suppose, or the sustained smear campaign orchestrated by the Rightwing with the assistance of the mainstream media, the Institute for Statecraft, MI6 and Mossad. Nothing to do with the Tories being helped by the Russians. All Corbyn’s fault.

        trev

        December 28, 2019 at 7:13 pm

      • It isn’t Corbyn’s fault that he was essentially an economically illiterate, obscure, blusterous rabble-rouser of limited intellect, zero political nous and absolutely no leadership skills. I do not blame Corbyn for his obvious shortcomings. I do blame him for not owning his dullness, witlessness and ordinariness and not standing down for a brighter, wittier, more gifted and intelligent successor, for the sake of the Labour party itself and British people in general. Corbyn is currently the lowest scoring leader of a British political party insofar as popularity is concerned since records began; nobody so poorly regarded by the electorate could ever hope to ever become Prime Minister of the United Kingdom under any circumstances Brexit or no Brexit. Corbyn must have known in his heart of hearts how hopeless and unsuitable he was as far as leadership was concerned and were he self-sacrificing and wise he would have fallen on his sword rather than carrying on vaingloriously to the bitter end, taking his party a cliff from where, now, there may be no way back.

        What a fool.

        Corbyn is a zero not a hero.

        Druid

        December 29, 2019 at 10:36 am

      • Jeremy Corbyn, the most smeared Politician in history:

        https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/opinion/jeremy-corbyn-is-the-most-smeared-politician-in-history/18/07/

        It’s time some of you took responsibility for Labour’s defeat. The Establishment conspired to prevent Corbyn becoming Prime Minister, and they won. But many of you were complicit in Labour’s defeat. Every nay-sayer, doubter, criticism and negative comments, all contributed to Labour’s defeat. Add to that the Brexit factor and Labour’s fate was sealed. Well done, you’ve got what you wanted, a Tory government, hope you all feel proud of yourselves. You could have been supportive and positive of what was on offer from Jeremy Corbyn, a ‘Socialist Saviour’ with a great Manifesto of brilliant policies that would have turned this country around to the benefit of the British people. He was the best thing to have happened to the Labour party in at least 45 years, but the people saw him not. You all played your part in Labour’s downfall, now put up and shut up.

        trev

        December 29, 2019 at 11:04 am

      • @ trev

        If the establishment, media, Illuminati, whatever could swing elections for the Tories then Labour would never have won an election or formed a government, pal. All Labour leaders are attacked although of course if they have squeaky clean past histories (Blair) there won’t be as much to dig up about as others (Corbyn). The voting public are not sheep that can be rounded up and put in a pen in the way that you keep complaining about. That’s ridiculous, sport, as past events have several times demonstrated. Corbyn did even worse than Michael Foot, for goodness sake, and every time Labour stood for election between Foot and Corbyn it did better although the hostile media was just as vicious and much the same. Besides, when all is said and done, Corbyn is toast and soon will disappear into the obscurity he rose from never be heard of again; nobody will ever canvas him for an opinion on any issue of moment or will want to read his memoirs if he writes them or has them ghostwritten for him.

        The poor old duffer is null and void and is now free to spend more time with vegetables in his allotment.

        The only hope for Labour is move back to the centre promoting individuals with skill, charisma, intelligence and competence to significant roles in the shadow cabinet. (What is nice but dense and woefully educated Angela Rayner doing as Shadow Secretary of State for Education for example?) Distinguished barrister Keir Starmer should step up to the plate as Labour’s next leader and populate his Shadow Cabinet with people of real quality rather than sycophants, supporters, yes men and mates.

        Bringing back the clever and erudite and weeding out the dunces would be a good first step in my opinion.

        Druid

        December 29, 2019 at 5:44 pm

  2. Andrew Coates

    December 28, 2019 at 9:57 am

  3. The lunatics have taken over the asylum

    trev

    December 28, 2019 at 10:24 am

  4. Full speed ahead of the roll out of Universal Credit to all then. As incredible as it is awful. The only hope now is that as millions more people are affected and the full horror of the new system become ever more evident the Tories will be shamed into doing something to improve UC. Don’t hold you breaths though.

    Kodogo

    December 28, 2019 at 10:30 am

  5. It would have made a heck of a lot more sense to have given IDS the lowest kind of Knighthood available to Her Majesty for his services to literature rather than any other imaginable reason known to man or alien.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/DEVILS-TUNE-Iain-Duncan-Smith/dp/1861056664/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=the+devils+tune&qid=1577529993&sr=8-1

    Read the reviews if you want a Xmas laugh.

    Truth be told if it doesn’t cost anything who really gives a sh1t about honours any more?

    Xerxes

    December 28, 2019 at 10:50 am

  6. Iain Duncan-Smith should not receive a Knighthood

    8,870 have signed. Let’s get to 10,000!

    Mona Kamal Ahmed started this petition to UK Government and Parliament
    This petition objects to the Knighthood of Iain Duncan Smith.

    During his time as Secretary of State for Work and Pensions Iain Duncan Smith was responsible for some of the cruellest most extreme welfare reforms this country has ever seen. Under his stewardship of the Department of Work and Pensions the UK became the first country to face a United Nations enquiry into human rights abuses against disabled people – an investigation which later confirmed that our government had been guilty of “grave and systemic violations of the rights of disabled people”.

    The suffering and impoverishment which are a direct result of the welfare reforms he has implemented are now undeniable. The callous and humiliating Work Capability Assessments where people with chronic disability are required to continuously prove they are deserving of their welfare payments or else be stripped of their entitlements have caused needless stress and misery. They have been directly linked to relapses of depression and anxiety and have even been linked to excess deaths through suicide.

    As a NHS psychiatrist I have sat in A&E departments with people diagnosed with chronic mental illness who have been driven to panic attacks, acute relapses of their depressive illness and suicidal ideation as a result of the anxiety caused by these tests and over the prospect of losing the welfare payments they rely on. This has only intensified with the chaos and uncertainty of Universal Credit a system known to be causing hardship to millions and for which Iain Duncan-Smith is again wholly culpable.

    Over the past decade of austerity, very little has demonstrated the callousness and incompetence of this Tory government than their treatment of people with disabilities and mental illness. There is no place for these cruel dehumanising measures in any civilised compassionate society, and the fact that Iain Duncan Smith the individual responsible and the architect of such misery, is to receive the honour of a knighthood is an insult to the hundreds of thousands of vulnerable individuals across this country who are suffering as a result of his policies and to those who have tragically lost loved ones as a direct result. He must not be knighted.

    https://www.change.org/p/uk-government-and-parliament-we-object-to-iain-duncan-smith-receiving-a-knighthood?signed=true

    Andrew Coates

    December 28, 2019 at 10:51 am

  7. Violet

    December 28, 2019 at 12:52 pm

  8. trev

    December 28, 2019 at 1:06 pm

  9. I would have thought the knighthood would have gone to the true architect of universal credit David Freud, I very much doubt Duncan Smith would have the brains to invent such a draconian system like uc he probably wouldn’t know how to organise a piss up in a brewery!!!

    Violet

    December 28, 2019 at 2:00 pm

    • Well Freud is already a Lord and seems to have disappeared from the Political scene, probably retired. But it is difficult to see how they can justify giving a Knighthood to Smith when even some of his colleagues described him as incompetent or deluded. He’s had years to implement his crackpot scheme and it still isn’t fully in place (thank God) and is still unfit for purpose, despite vast amounts of public money being wasted on it, £14.5 Billion of which was simply “written off”, swept under the carpet like it never existed, and the financial clock re-set so that the official figure for development of UC is now a paltry £1.5 Billion, and all this done during times of so-called Austerity when the country was allegedly skint! And still people voted for these charlatans, thieves and mass-murderers.

      trev

      December 28, 2019 at 2:18 pm

    • UC was an invention of David Freud and the amateur self-appointed “welfare experts” at the Centre for Social Justice, a think tank founded by Iain Duncan Smith who subsequently became its mouthpiece.

      Kodogo

      December 28, 2019 at 3:36 pm

    • The Tories make Freud a Baron years ago so that he could sit in the House of Lords and be a minister in David Cameron’s government.

      Ash

      December 29, 2019 at 9:38 am

  10. Smith is a tw@t,he couldn’t find his own arse with both hands….. He was the poster boy for Universal Shite so this undeserved knighthood is the b@stards reward.

    Tigerlily

    December 28, 2019 at 3:03 pm

  11. Andrew Coates

    December 28, 2019 at 4:33 pm

  12. It just goes to show, you can hang around upper-class house parties for a couple of years until you can marry a Baron’s daughter. Then the only way is up.

    True Borgia

    December 28, 2019 at 5:28 pm

    • It helps to have a faked CV and some previous experience as an arms dealer. You start off with a very ordinary sounding name, say like George Smith for example, then you make it sound fancy and Aristocratic by changing it to Iain Duncan Smith, and the world’s your lobster.

      trev

      December 28, 2019 at 7:18 pm

      • Only a complete nouveau riche arriviste, would fail to include a hyphen in his name. Such people are so obvious to the genuine aristocrat. Indeed to any person of discernment, such as the readers of Ipswich Unemployed Action.
        And as for making an absolute spectacle of oneself, attempting to find a rich wife to marry. Well, I shall leave this to the readers to judge. I can only say that standards continue to decline in this modern age.

        Lady Cynthia Hartley-Bonham

        December 28, 2019 at 7:43 pm

      • Your Ladyship

        Right on treacle! Talk about getting ideas above your station. He should get back below-stairs where he he belongs. He’s not one of you lot and he never will be. The git.

        Back-stairs Billy

        December 29, 2019 at 8:08 am

      • @trev- Counter-jumper, with money made in trade. How truly awful. I don’t suppose he can even ride to hounds ? Quite ghastly.

        Lavinia Winston-Price

        December 29, 2019 at 1:35 pm

  13. @ Back-stairs Billy. Thank you Billy for your kind comment, I know how much Lord Faversham appreciates your work at Mountford House. Indeed it was only a few months ago, when I was visiting my friend Olivia Barrington-Smythe, that she mentioned what an asset you were to Lord Faversham. And how difficult it was to fine quality staff these days, who can work in a great house. My very best wishes to you.

    Lady Cynthia Hartley-Bonham

    December 29, 2019 at 1:31 pm

  14. Seven ousted Labour MPs have today blasted “cronyism” at the top of the party in a searing attack on the party’s general election “catastrophe”. Daily Mirror

    Magnificent Seven

    December 29, 2019 at 1:39 pm

    • Correction, seven Right-wing ex-Labour MPs look for excuse to blame Corbyn.

      trev

      December 29, 2019 at 2:06 pm

      • Seven Golden Vampires.

        Soothsayer

        December 29, 2019 at 4:20 pm

      • They’re all either members of Progress or Friends of Israel, surprise, surprise. All Right wingers all heavily biased.

        trev

        December 29, 2019 at 4:44 pm

      • @ trev

        No visitor to this site could be more biased than you are, mate.

        Druid

        December 29, 2019 at 5:49 pm

      • Yes Druid, I am heavily biased towards the truth being told, it’s always been a failing of mine.

        trev

        December 29, 2019 at 7:42 pm

    • How could Dianne Abbott ever have been appointed Shadow Home Secretary if not for cronyism?

      Druid

      December 29, 2019 at 5:47 pm

  15. 64 year old army veteran destitute on Universal Credit:

    https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/stoke-on-trent-news/ive-3-left-live-until-3672418?

    trev

    December 29, 2019 at 4:02 pm

  16. I have a sinking feeling that the Labour Party are just going to whitewash the whole disaster of the election.
    That Momentum, and Corbyn’s advisors are staying in place. And that Labour are going to try exactly the same thing again in 2024. With a new Corbynite candidate. Look who they have appointed to lead the inquiry into the defeat, Ed Miliband ! The man who lost Scotland for Labour.

    Tom Sutton

    December 29, 2019 at 7:26 pm

  17. I’m so sorry I voted Conservative ! All my friends have been cooked and eaten.

    Tory Turkey

    December 29, 2019 at 7:28 pm

  18. Former Labour MP, Denis MacShane, attacked party leader Jeremy Corbyn over the disastrous election defeat. In an interview with LBC, Mr MacShane called for Mr Corbyn to stop “clinging on” to the leadership and resign. He called the delay “embarrassing” and suggested some caretaker leaders instead.

    Former Labour

    December 29, 2019 at 8:24 pm

    • I don’t think we can hold up Denis MacShane as a bastion of truth! Besides which, he’s a Blairite and a Rightwinger who supports Zionism and therefore is heavily biased against Jeremy Corbyn so actually his opinions are irrelevant.

      trev

      December 29, 2019 at 8:56 pm

  19. @trev – But Trev, Labour can’t possibly win if they do the same thing again in 2024 ! Look at these comments about Corbyn, and the newspapers today ! You just can’t go on ignoring reality Trev.

    John Taylor

    December 29, 2019 at 9:21 pm

    • They won’t be “doing the same thing” as by then Brexit will have happened, and by then the public will have realised what a mistake it was to have trusted Boris Johnson. After all, it was mainly Brexit that lost Labour the election, combined with the smear campaign against Jeremy Corbyn. By 2024 Brexit is not an election issue (though dealing with the aftermath certainly will be), and Labour will have a different Leader to the much maligned Jeremy Corbyn. One thing that mustn’t change though is the Labour party’s commitment to Socialist policies, which were/are very popular with the majority of the British people and were not a factor in Labour’s election defeat.

      trev

      December 29, 2019 at 9:30 pm

  20. Boris lied. Privatization of the NHS is underway:

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/private-firms-invited-run-nhs-21178712

    Any eejits out there regretting voting Tory yet? You will do!

    trev

    December 29, 2019 at 10:40 pm

  21. Iain Duncan Smith receives knighthood in New Year Honours

    Should have been crowned for it.Society will be overall the worse off by rewarding and endorsing this behaviour.Its a green light to further problems ahead.

    ken

    December 29, 2019 at 10:47 pm

  22. trev

    December 29, 2019 at 11:31 pm

    • It seems as if Rebecca Long-Bailey is a shoo-in for Labour Party leader with Angela Rayner as Deputy leader. Crucially both have the backing of Momentum and the personal endorsement of Jeremy Corbyn. It is looking good, trev 🙂

      K Starmer

      December 30, 2019 at 8:44 am

      • I endorse both of those ladies for the Labour leadership vehemently and wholeheartedly.

        A. B. de P. Johnson., Esq

        December 30, 2019 at 9:02 am

      • Hurrah!

        M. A. Gove

        December 30, 2019 at 9:07 am

      • @ K Starmer – Will they never learn ? After this historic defeat, the Waterloo of the Labour Party ? The Alamo of Corbynism, and the total Trafalgar of left-wing socialism.

        Horatio Hornblower

        December 30, 2019 at 11:48 am

      • I’d like Ian Lavery as Deputy.

        trev

        December 30, 2019 at 12:58 pm

    • @trev – And I hope all those who sang along with Momentum and Corbyn realise that they are directly responsible for this dreadful election defeat. If their had been a bit more constructive dismissal in the Labour Party, more back-stabbing, Goving, and deliberate sabotage, we wouldn’t be in this mess today !!

      Moderate Labour

      December 30, 2019 at 11:52 am

  23. Elm

    December 30, 2019 at 8:42 am

    • A decimation means losing one in ten. Labour lost one seat in every six, much worse than a decimation.

      Karl

      December 30, 2019 at 9:13 am

    • Utter rubbish – “a hard left cabal”, “a safe haven for antisemites and crank conspiracists”

      There is not and never has been a big problem with antisemitism within the Labour party, it is/was a fiction of the Rightwing designed to undermine the Left. The FACTS of the matter are there is more antisemitism in the Conservative party than in Labour, there is less antisemitism in Labour than in Society in general, and antisemitism in the Labour party decreased under Jeremy Corbyn. There are many Leftwing Jews who support Labour and who supported Corbyn. The ones making accusations of antisemitism were all Rightwingers using antisemitism for their own Political agenda. Do your research, the truth is out there and I have posted the relevant links on this blog numerous times.

      Labour is NOT in the grip of a Hard Left cabal, its membership are Socialists, which is what the party is supposed to be, not a Rightwing neoliberal faux ‘Centrist’ imitation.

      Crank conspiracists – again do your own research, there is evidence of MI6 and the Institute for Statecraft interference in the form of a orchestrated smear campaign against the Left.

      trev

      December 30, 2019 at 12:43 pm

    • When it comes to antisemitism Labour takes the biscuit and, being poorly led, has been its own worst enemy. For example instead of accepting the internationally accepted definition of antisemitism as its yardstick, like every other respectable government and political party, Labour announced that it wasn’t happy with that definition and might have to invent its own because the universally accepted definition of antisemitism used by everybody else was a little bit pro-Zionist and pro-Israel for them to stomach. When the sh1t hit the fan Labour quickly U-turned and immediately accepted the international definition as its own but not before it had suffered terrible reputational damage because Jezza wasn’t man enough to put his foot down and stamp out such nonsense in the way a leader should.

      Abraham Mayer

      December 30, 2019 at 4:03 pm

      • A “little bit” too pro-Zionist/pro-Israel? That really does take the biscuit! So where does that leave Leftwing Jews who are not pro-Zionist, of whom there are many, doesn’t their views count?

        trev

        December 30, 2019 at 4:38 pm

      • Why did Labour think that it needed to invent a bespoke definition of antisemitism rather than cleave to the internationally accepted definition which is used by every respectable government and political party around the world? Why did Labour think that it needed to concoct a less strict and binding definition which would only be applied to its own members? Could it have been an attempt to hold its party members to a lower standard than others enabling antisemitic individuals to get away with antisemitic utterances, writings and acts which other political parties would moved against instantly, expelling antisemites from their ranks without delay? Antisemitism is not just a difference of opinion which can be tolerated. Antisemitism is a poisonous, toxic and evil hate crime which should be challenged and stamped out wherever and whenever it raises its ugly head.

        Labour’s tardy reaction to antisemitism amongst its members and supporters was pandering and weak.

        And cost the party dearly.

        Abraham Mayer

        December 30, 2019 at 5:09 pm

      • You cannot expel people instantly, it takes time to go through due process, hearings, tribunals, legal challenges etc. As for the definition itself there is nothing “respectable” about it. A State cannot use Race/Religion as an excuse to commit atrocities and continually breach international law. Anyway, back to my earlier point that you’ve conveniently ignored; where does that leave the many Leftwing Jews who are opposed to Zionism and expressed their strong support for Jeremy Corbyn? What of them? Doesn’t their opinion count?

        trev

        December 30, 2019 at 5:54 pm

      • P.S.

        Antisemitism certainly is abhorrent and cannot be excused or condoned, so why are you choosing to focus on alleged antisemitism within the Labour party but ignoring the greater prevalence of antisemitism in the Conservative party?

        trev

        December 30, 2019 at 5:57 pm

      • Antisemitism? The truth of the matter is that Jeremy Corbyn has always been pro-Palestinian and anti-Yid all of his life. That’s the truth and all you need to know. Job done. Done and dusted. Over and out.

        Kilroy

        December 30, 2019 at 7:34 pm

      • Wow Kilroy, if only everyone possessed your startling intellect. “Anti-Yid” ? It is perfectly possible to be pro-Palestinian (and what right-thinking individual wouldn’t be?) whilst not being antisemitic. Being critical of the actions of the Israeli State is not the same thing as antisemitism. The State of Israel is a separate Political entity from ‘The Jews’ and Judaism.

        trev

        December 30, 2019 at 8:35 pm

      • After being repeatedly accused of tolerating antisemites within its ranks and suffering the slings and arrows of astonishingly bad criticism and toxic press Labour decided to do this:

        https://antisemitism.uk/the-labour-partys-promise-to-cast-aside-the-international-definition-of-antisemitism-and-come-up-with-its-own-better-version-is-a-further-insult-to-the-jewish-community/

        Considering the reputational damage already suffered by the party and personally by its “leader” no party and “leader” so abhorrently numbskull-like and insistently mule-headed, voluntarily walking back into antisemitic hell rather than accepting the standard definition of antisemitism (with examples), don’t deserve to political wield power, not because they are antisemitic necessarily but because they are conducting themselves like an undisciplined rabble peopled at the top by men and women as thick as planks and dumb as posts.

        Abraham Mayer

        December 31, 2019 at 11:48 am

  24. Labour must either change or become irrelevant. If they keep on as they are it will be years, perhaps decades before they get into government again.

    I Reject Corbyn And All His Works

    December 30, 2019 at 9:42 am

    • I take it you’re not a Socialist then. Fine. Leave Labour and form your own party.

      trev

      December 30, 2019 at 12:46 pm

  25. There is a rumour going around that Therese Coffey could be for the chop when Johnson reshuffles his cabinet in February.

    https://www.ft.com/content/d639ae08-1dc1-11ea-97df-cc63de1d73f4

    If so that would make her the shortest serving Secretary of State for Work and Pensions ever! That’ll make six people coming and going in that role in less than ten years. Talk about being given a poison chalice! I really hope Ms Coffey will be booted out or demoted because she is really shaping up to quite possibly be the meanest and worst one yet – even with psychopathic Esther McVey and Antichrist Iain Duncan Smith himself in the swim.

    Clockwatcher

    December 30, 2019 at 11:29 am

  26. Does anyone here seriously think that because of some petition by a load of ‘oiks’, Boris Johnson is going to withdraw Duncan smith’s knighthood ?

    Toff Townley

    December 30, 2019 at 12:05 pm

    • There’s no honour in it for Iain Duncan Smith

      The astonishing award of a knighthood to Iain Duncan Smith (Report, 28 December) shows the contempt Theresa May had for the most vulnerable and underprivileged in our society. As a retired social security commissioner and upper tribunal judge, I spent a judicial lifetime hearing thousands of appeals of decisions made by the Department for Work and Pensions. Under the Conservatives the already dysfunctional system became ever more punitive and of increasingly byzantine complexity. Universal credit has been an abject failure, and if Iain Duncan Smith had the merest inkling of the harm his changes had caused, he ought in honour and simple honesty to have declined the award. Still, I’m not surprised that he did not.

      Dr Stephen Pacey

      North Muskham, Nottinghamshire

      https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/30/theres-no-honour-in-it-for-iain-duncan-smith

      ken

      December 31, 2019 at 12:50 am

  27. Well what do you think I am? I’m white Working Class and believe me I am fucking angry too. Angry at the Tories and angry at the back-stabbers who returned them to power.

    trev

    December 30, 2019 at 12:49 pm

    • @trev – But surely you must admit that Labour are going to have to make some serious changes, in order to beat the Tories next time round ? Because that’s the whole point isn’t it – to get into government ?

      Tom Sutton

      December 30, 2019 at 3:15 pm

      • What sort of changes do you have in mind Tom?

        trev

        December 30, 2019 at 3:21 pm

      • The end of Corbynism. Momentum banished for good from the Labour Party like Blair did with the ‘Militant Tendency’. A move to the centre ground of politics.

        D Hatton

        December 30, 2019 at 3:52 pm

      • There’s no such thing as “Corbynism”, just Socialism and Socialists, which is what you would expect in the Labour party seeing as that’s what it is meant to be, i.e. a Socialist party. Momentum helped shift the party back to the Centre Left after Blair moved it so far to the Right. It is Progress that will be Proscribed for their treachery and disloyalty. Momentum are loyal to the Labour Socialist ethic. If that doesn’t appeal to you then perhaps the Labour party isn’t the place for you, and you might be more at home with the LibDems, or go form a new Political party more to your liking, you could call it ‘Neo-Labour’.

        trev

        December 30, 2019 at 4:34 pm

  28. 🎶 … the Party’s over… 🎶

    The Labour Movement

    December 30, 2019 at 4:44 pm

    • No, it’s not over, the only way for Labour to survive and move forward is by ridding itself of the scourge of the Rightwing, otherwise it probably is over.

      trev

      December 30, 2019 at 5:00 pm

      • But Trev, you can’t seriously mean that you think Labour should carry on as it is ?
        After all that’s happened ? Why not work together with your comrades on the right of the party to achieve a new compromise ? And then go forward from a position of strength. #Labour First

        John Taylor

        December 30, 2019 at 6:41 pm

      • Compromise ideals, principles and ideology? I wouldn’t give the Right one inch. They are traitorous scum that must go. How on earth can there be compromise on issues like protecting the NHS from Privatization, or on the entire notion of public ownership when twats like Blair take it upon themselves to scrap Clause 4? How can there be compromise Socialism and neoliberalism?

        trev

        December 30, 2019 at 8:26 pm

  29. A cold wind blows behind Conservatism.

    Dance to the Devil's Tune

    December 31, 2019 at 12:27 am

  30. Corbyn gave it his all and came up short because too many people mistakenly voted for someone else or refrained from voting at all during the general election. The government in China doesn’t face this problem. What we need to do is to try to get Labour elected and then undemocratise the UK to avoid the danger of the electorate making the error of voting Labour out of power by insanely giving their support to other parties. We have to do this for their own good. Just look at China set to become the biggest economy in the world within the next twenty years, destined to rule the world without needing to fire a shot in anger or wage war. Democracy is effete. We should be aiming to create is a one-party state led by a benign tyrant. Then just like China we could finally do things and get somewhere.

    Lee Kuan Suo (Momentum and card carrying Labour party member)

    December 31, 2019 at 7:43 am

  31. Millions will start being moved onto Universal Credit

    The limited pilot scheme for migrating existing benefit claimants onto Universal Credit is set to finish by July 2020

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/17-new-laws-financial-changes-21181633

    xclausx

    December 31, 2019 at 8:57 am

    • Managed migration from legacy Benefits to UC is scheduled to take place between November 2020 and December 2023, but Jobcentres are already attempting to pressurize JSA Claimants to break their Claim or change their circumstances by taking part-time jobs thus triggering transfer to UC.

      trev

      December 31, 2019 at 12:35 pm

      • @trev – Yes, they are 6 years behind schedule on Universal Credit already. As you say, Managed Migration
        doesn’t start until November 2020. And they have to give you 3 months notice of your transfer. I did hear unofficially from a source in my local Jobcentre, that the DWP are concerned about the length of time this is all going to take. Remember there are 600 Jobcentres to transfer the claimants from. The DWP have had to allow 3 years, until 2023, for the transfer. But this is only an estimate. It took 3 years to put UC in every Jobcentre ! So how long this mass transfer of claimants is going to take, remains to be seen. Some people think 2025 is more realistic. But I have no doubt that the DWP will be up to their usual games and tricks in the New Year. Anyone falling for this, and taking on a zero-hours or part-time job, which you absolutely do not have to do, under Jobseekers Allowance, will be transferred immediately onto Universal Credit.

        Jeff Smith

        December 31, 2019 at 1:36 pm

  32. National living wage to rise by 6.2% in April

    The national living wage is to rise by 6.2% in what the government says is “the biggest cash increase ever”.

    The rise is more than four times the rate of inflation and takes hourly pay for people over 25 to £8.72 from April.

    Prime Minister Boris Johnson said: “For too long, people haven’t seen the pay rises they deserve.”

    But businesses warned that a sharp increase in wages would put pressure on companies and urged the government to reduce costs elsewhere for firms.

    Hannah Essex, co-executive director of the British Chambers of Commerce, said that many companies “have struggled with increased costs in a time of great economic uncertainty”.

    “Raising wage floors so far above the rate of inflation will pile further pressure on cash flow and eat into training and investment budgets,” she said.

    “For this policy to be sustainable, government must offset these costs by reducing others.”

    From April 2020, the new rates are:

    The National Living Wage for ages 25 and above – up 6.2% to £8.72
    The National Minimum Wage for 21 to 24-year-olds – up 6.5% to £8.20
    For 18 to 20-year-olds – up 4.9% to £6.45
    For under-18s – up 4.6% to £4.55
    For apprentices – up 6.4% to £4.15

    An independent report published this year said there has been little or no evidence of job losses as a result of rising minimum wage levels, which are currently set at £8.21 for people aged 25 and over and £7.70 for 21 to 24-year-olds.

    Professor Arindrajit Dube, an academic in the US and an expert on the subject, said there was “room for exploring a more ambitious national living wage” in the UK in the coming years.

    He stressed, however, that because there is relatively little evidence available, the independent Low Pay Commission should be able to review the effect on jobs as pay increased.

    Business rates

    But the Federation of Small Businesses (FSB) said “an increase of this magnitude” means firms may recruit fewer people, cancel investment plans or consider redundancies.

    “There’s always a danger of being self-defeating in this space,” said Craig Beaumont, FSB director of external affairs and advocacy.

    “Wage increases aren’t much good to workers if prices rise, jobs are lost and there’s no impact on productivity because employers are forced to cut back on investing in tech, training and equipment.”

    He said that small firms will need support, especially as there will be a 1.7% increase in business rates in April next year.

    The government also said it will press ahead with recommendations by the Low Pay Commission to allow workers over 21 to receive the national living wage by 2024 when it is set to reach £10.50 an hour.

    Analysis

    Since the National Minimum Wage was introduced by a Labour government 20 years ago, it’s boosted the wages of the lowest-paid – defying predictions it would lead to higher unemployment.

    After 2016, a rebranded National Living Wage boosted incomes further for low-paid workers over 25. And in September the government accepted a recommendation from the Low Pay Commission that the new, higher minimum should gradually be phased in for younger workers over 21.

    The policy has helped to cut the number of people officially defined as being on low pay – those who earn less than 60% of the average – reducing income inequality.

    Those on the minimum wage now earn 13% more, in real terms, than they did in 2008.

    But this hasn’t prevented rises in the number of working households in poverty. And in 2019 the average worker’s pay still bought less, after taking account of inflation, than it had 11 years previously.

    Labour has called for a £10-an-hour minimum wage and said the government had not gone far enough to help those on the lowest pay.

    “This announcement falls short on what is needed to help workers and comes against a backdrop of an economy created by Conservative governments over the past decade that has left millions of people trapped in low paid, insecure work and underpayment of the minimum wage on the rise,” said shadow work and pensions secretary Margaret Greenwood.

    Frances O’Grady, general secretary of the Trades Union Congress, said workers needed a national living wage of more than £10 “now, not in four years’ time”.

    “This is a long-planned raise, but it’s also long overdue. Workers are still not getting a fair share of the wealth they create. And in-work poverty is soaring as millions of families struggle to make ends meet,” she said.

    The Resolution Foundation, a think tank which focuses on the living standards of low and middle-income people, welcomed the plan but its economic analyst, Nye Cominetti, said it was “not risk-free” in terms of inflation.

    He said: “It should be matched by a renewed commitment to swiftly evaluating evidence of the impact of such large and sustained minimum wage rises and acting on that evidence if problems emerge.”

    National living wage to rise by 6.2% in April

    BBC

    December 31, 2019 at 10:50 am

    • * except for disabled people who will only receive 50p an hour because “they do not understand money” 😉

      Lord Freud

      December 31, 2019 at 10:53 am

      • Far too much money is wasted on the disabled. Money given in wages would only be money wasted.

        Emma Brodrick

        December 31, 2019 at 11:17 am

      • @ Emma Brodrick

        You’re either trolling or are a psychopath, either way I hope you become disabled one day.

        trev

        December 31, 2019 at 12:38 pm

      • I do try to remove these comments, they come from American linked Trolls.

        When they began they used to cite the far right US magazine Veterans’ Today, “.Veterans Today

        Veterans Today is a pro-Kremlin and antisemitic conspiracy theory and fake news website ” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veterans_Today

        Andrew Coates

        December 31, 2019 at 12:41 pm

    • Let’s play ***BORIS BIIIG CAAASH GIVEAWAY*** 😀 😀 😀 😀

      Ant & Dec

      December 31, 2019 at 10:58 am

    • Corbyn promised a £10 an hour minimum wage 🙂 …. by 2050 😉

      Val

      December 31, 2019 at 11:11 am

      • Since Labour will still be in opposition in 2050, never having won an election for forty years, you can’t really hold them responsible for the hourly rate associated with the minimum wage, or, as it is known in 2050 the living-it-up wage.

        Laurence Corner

        December 31, 2019 at 4:26 pm

    • £10 can’t buy jackshit. It is over £10 for a loaf of bread!

      Time Traveller AD:2050

      December 31, 2019 at 11:15 am

    • great news for me!

      xclausx

      December 31, 2019 at 11:18 am

      • Better than increasing tax allowances which is what Blair, Broon used to do and no doubt Corbyn would have done. It must Boris Christmas present for voting for him 😀 Bad news for the unemployed though since it increase the ‘better off in work’ gap. Bad news for employers too.

        Chip Shop Worker

        December 31, 2019 at 12:05 pm

      • At this rate you can see Boris winning the next election, and the next… Corbyn and Labour are toast.

        Rafiw

        December 31, 2019 at 12:08 pm

  33. jj joop

    December 31, 2019 at 11:44 am

    • thus why you never give them a email address as if they have one it will be linked to the journal and then you will have to accept any cc changes online and if you dont in 7 days the claim will end if you dont accept it.

      you are not required buy law to have a email address to claim any benefits and it is your personnel data and up to you how you give it to or not it can not be forced.

      superted

      December 31, 2019 at 1:35 pm

  34. He should have been awarded a bloody C.U.N.T. And been strung up with it.

    Mags

    December 31, 2019 at 12:37 pm

  35. Don’t blame Boris for this. The list was drawn by Theresa May before she stepped down as Prime Minister and so the decision to reward the Dishonourable Member for Chingford and Woodford Green was hers.

    Betty

    December 31, 2019 at 12:42 pm

  36. If they put benefits up by 6.2% it would just about make up for the four-year freeze. No chance of that though I suppose ?

    Jack Reid

    December 31, 2019 at 1:53 pm

  37. ‘ Angry former Labour ministers have poured ridicule on Jeremy Corbyn’s new year message, after the defeated leader claimed to be “the resistance to Boris Johnson”.
    The bizarre address – in which Mr Corbyn also vowed to “be on the frontline, both in parliament and on the streets” – appeared to have backfired spectacularly, following his general election wipeout.’

    This isn’t the way forward for Labour. The defeat must be faced, and Corbyn’s leading role in it.
    How are the public going to see this ?

    Alan Turner

    December 31, 2019 at 2:10 pm

    • Corbyn keeps claiming that he won the argument. What argument? And what did he win? Not the last election with every single Labour leader since Michael Foot having done better and rated as more popular. And if he won the argument for… who knows?… whatever… why did his party do so catastrophically badly in the recent election? Winning elections isn’t the most import thing for political parties it’s the only thing. I know that Christians believe that the first shall come last and the last shall comes first but that’s in heaven not in general elections.

      On the bright side Labour will almost certainly do better in the next general election with any other leader whatsoever, still losing of course, but almost certainly picking up a few seats here and there around the country. So there is that at least for us to eventually look forward to.

      Isus M.

      December 31, 2019 at 3:02 pm

      • Jezza is saying now that Labour are the “resistance” to Boris Johnson and the Tories. Thing is thanks to Jezza and the ar5elickers around him Jonson got an eighty seat majority meaning that Labour can’t do a damn thing to stop the Tories doing anything that they want unless sixty or more Tories rebel against their own government and vote with Labour against future legislation tabled by BoJo and Co.

        What is wrong with Corbyn?

        After leading the Labour party to what might be a fatal defeat he should have resigned and apologised to his party and the nation on his knees, with his head hung in shame, showed remorse and contrition and resigned from his position as Labour leader immediately. Instead the wally is acting as if he has done something worthwhile or achieved something by putting Labour in the position of being the weakest and inevitably most useless Labour opposition for eighty years.

        There’s something wrong with the man isn’t there?

        He’s not right is he?

        Laurence Corner

        December 31, 2019 at 4:22 pm

      • @ Lauence Corner

        All his career Jeremy Corbyn has protested about things and complained about things rather than making things better or improving things. Jezza has never been a thinker or provider of solutions. So really he is the ideal leader for a party in opposition. Instead of having to do things he can simply shout negatively and loudly about things that other people are doing, which is what he is used to doing and practised doing for decades.

        I say keep Jezza in post, like Neil Kinnock, throughout the next parliament.

        Shouting powerlessly and ineffectively from the sidelines IS after all Corbyn’s forte.

        The man was, is and will always be an onlooker not a doer.

        Steve

        January 1, 2020 at 10:55 am

      • @ Steve

        “an onlooker not a dooer”

        On Christmas day whilst Boris Johnson was sunning himself on the millionaires playground private island of Mystique (at Taxpayers expense), Jeremy Corbyn was doing voluntary work at a homeless shelter.

        trev

        January 2, 2020 at 8:00 am

      • Jezza never. ever wanted to be PM, take responsibility or make decisions. Jezza is back where he belongs, where he wants to be in his comfort zone. “Universal Credit is a [raises voice] disgrace”, “Edith from Barnsley had to wait [raises voice] one year for a hip operation”, blah, blah, blah…

        Edith from Barnsley

        January 1, 2020 at 11:03 am

      • @ trev

        How did we know Jezza was working at a homeless shelter? Is this something he does regularly? Did he usually do good works at that location on a regular basis? Or was it just another empty and meaningless publicity seeking photo opportunity designed to big up Maestro Corbyn? About as likely as the voluntary work Gordon Brown said he was going to do if he lost the 2010 general election I’ll be bound.

        Paparazzi

        January 2, 2020 at 3:22 pm

  38. Sir Iain Duppy Shit arise. See Welfare Reform does work !! And so do failed leaders !!

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    December 31, 2019 at 6:12 pm

    • Sir Iain Doopy Shit arise. See Welfare Reform does work !! And so do failed leaders !!

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      December 31, 2019 at 6:14 pm

  39. Welfare Reform has always been a Human Rights Issue & not a political one that breaking Human Rights of Disabled people. Sanctions mean you have to pay for a prescription. So no free NHS pills.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    December 31, 2019 at 6:16 pm

    • Disabled people are being told theres nothing wrong with them or that their weird.Its very twisted.

      ken

      December 31, 2019 at 8:51 pm

      • Disability has been cured & you now can’t catch it like a disease !! £1 Billion Bonus for Atos & Maximus.

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        December 31, 2019 at 9:34 pm

  40. Violet

    January 1, 2020 at 12:55 pm


  41. Devoid of agility, charisma and credibility, Corbyn has led Labour into the abyss | Polly Toynbee

    The nightmare has happened. The worst of men is elected prime minister. The hardest of times lie ahead. Unfit in every way for any kind of office, Boris Johnson takes up the reins of absolute power bestowed on any leader with such a majority.

    This blow has fallen on a country ravaged by a decade of decay in the public realm and a stagnant economy. We have become an embarrassment abroad. Brexit was the wicked weapon Johnson used to dethrone his last two leaders in order to lever himself into their place. Reckless in everything but personal ambition, he has trapped us into the worst Brexit imaginable, withdrawn from the EU next month and out with a disaster of a “deal” next year.

    Five crucial years will be lost in the fight against the climate crisis. In search of deals, he will bend to every interest, every lobby, every fossil fuel and fracking pusher, hiding behind his empty 2050 zero emissions pledge. The shriveling of every service is cemented into his budget plans: enough to stop outright NHS collapse, not enough to get schools or police back to 2010 levels, and everything else destined for never-ending decline. Expect no sudden change of heartlessness. We Cassandras have wrung our hands and howled out loud warning of rising poverty, homelessness, collapsing legal and social care systems, living standards in reverse. Yet people voted for all this woe.

    Who is to blame? There are the lies of the extreme Tory press, echoing around all media – but Labour always faces that injustice. It is the rough sea that any leader must try to navigate. Unabashed by the valiant Full Fact and other fact-checking organisations, Johnson found he can repeat a lie a thousand times with utter impunity, no one to stop him except the people – and they have preferred the lie.

    They are not deceived: they call him untrustworthy. Anyone listening hears his plans for revenge on all who thwarted him: he will dilute the powers of the supreme court for defying him. He threatens Channel 4 and the BBC with malevolent “reviews”. Beware any civil servant or regulator who gets in his way, as he curtails the right to judicial review and threatens to “update” the Human Rights Act. The pound surges as City folk fear paying higher tax more than they fear a bad Brexit crippling the entire economy.

    Given the worst choice in history, the public preferred him to his opponent. How bad did Labour have to be to let this sociopathic, narcissistic, glutton for power beat them? That’s the soul-searching question every Labour member, office-holder and MP has to ask.

    Boris Johnson delivers a victory speech to Tory party members. Labour was disastrously, catastrophically bad, an agony to behold. A coterie of Corbynites cared more about gripping power within the party than saving the country by winning the election. The national executive committee, a slate of nodding Corbynite place-persons, disgraced the party with its sectarian decisions. Once it was plain in every poll and focus group that Corbynism was electoral arsenic, they should have propelled him out, but electoral victory was secondary.

    Should we laugh or cry at Corbyn’s announcement that he wouldn’t stand for another election? He should have gone before dawn. Any possible or impossible successor will clear out that Len McCluskey clique – Karie Murphy, Seumas Milne, Andrew Murray and others who propped up the old fellow to secure their own power base – with results worse than Michael Foot. Watch them try to divert blame onto “Corbyn-disloyalists”, remainers and ”Blairites”.

    Corbyn is not an amoral man. He can never tell a lie: pretending to watch the Queen’s Christmas message in the morning showed he’s not used to fibbing. He is a man without any qualities required of a leader, mental agility, articulacy, strategy, good humour or charisma.

    Yet his legacy is of historic importance: he did this country profound, nation-splitting, irreparable harm. Had he led his party and the unions full tilt against Brexit, the narrowly lost referendum could have been won. But he and his cabal refused outright: when beseeched, they said they were too busy with May’s local elections. He wouldn’t share any remain platform. Festering Bennite 1970s ideologies blinded his sect from seeing Brexit was the far right’s weapon of buccaneering destruction. He could have saved us – but he obfuscated.

    Corbyn came weighted with baggage too heavy for a Hercules to shift: the IRA, the Hamas friends, Venezuela. But antisemitism was accusation he could not shift. I am certain he sees no stain of it in himself, refusing to comprehend it, and so could not apologise. Failure to purge every case left candidates on the doorstep dumbstruck when anyone said “I can’t vote for an antisemite”. And remember that early refusal to sing the national anthem? Voters’ first impression was his deep-seated aversion to expressing patriotism.

    The campaign was chaotic, all front-bench talent banished for fear of outshining the leader. Toe-curlingly bad performers and insignificants were punted up as loyalists, while serious heavyweights Keir Starmer and Emily Thornberry might as well have been shut in Johnson’s freezer. Even John McDonnell, better by far than Corbyn, was largely kept from the cameras. Corbyn’s sectarian grudges prevented any effort to heal the party’s rift, leaving immense talent wasted on the back benches.

    Here’s the real tragedy. The manifesto was essentially magnificent. The vision was of a country freed from years of darkness with green investment, growth in places that most need it, salving the many wounds of marrow-deep cuts, restoring pride in the public sphere and hope in a future that was absolutely affordable. Why should we not tax and spend the same as similar north European countries? But if socialism is the language of priorities, these were lost in a profusion of never-ending promises too easily mocked. The political landscape was never prepared, soil untilled, last-minute policies falling on stony ground. Where was the simple five-point pledge card?

    Credibility is everything and Corbyn lacked it like no other. Without credibility all was lost. Think on it, every Labour member. It will be a long, long road up from such a fall. There will be days to consider hope: today is for confronting reality.”

    The Plain Truth

    January 1, 2020 at 2:31 pm

    • Yet more inane ramblings from Polly’s green-ink filled poison pen, and all the way from her sun-kissed villa in Tuscany. She doesn’t even live in the country she pretends to care about for crying out loud! Happy New Brexit Year!

      Richard Littlejohn

      January 1, 2020 at 3:00 pm

      • That’s rich considering that you live in a gated community in America, Dick.

        Polly

        January 1, 2020 at 3:45 pm

      • Ouch! That hurt!

        Richard Littlejohn

        January 2, 2020 at 6:11 pm

    • “Why should we not tax and spend the same as similar north European countries?” Like pay over half your income in taxes like what happens in Norway, Denmark, Sweden… could see that proposal going down like the proverbial lead balloon.

      Svetlana

      January 1, 2020 at 3:15 pm

      • Let’s see trev accusing the Guardian as being right-wing after Saint Polly has written something like that!

        Ragnarr Loðbrók

        January 1, 2020 at 3:47 pm

      • Of the Guardian is Rightwing. I prefer the Morning Star.

        trev

        January 2, 2020 at 8:04 am

      • I don’t know. According to an angry audience member on Question Time more than half the country earn more than £80,000 per year! If I earned that much I could live like a king on the remaining £40,000!

        Of course he might just be a liar, stupid or bad at arithmetic.

        Hillis

        January 1, 2020 at 4:12 pm

      • Question Time has more plants than a garden centre,

        The Cactii Family

        January 1, 2020 at 5:56 pm

    • Ms Tonbee is right. Both Boris and Jezza were absolute stinkers and both were unfit to lead their parties and the country as Prime Minister. No wonder that nearly one out of three voters didn’t even bother to cast their votes at all. Dismal really but there you go. To paraphrase Ecclesiastes 1:5-11: The scum also rises. The future of the nation is now in the hands of a philandering liar who has fathered an unknown number of children in and out of wedlock. What could possibly go wrong? Good night and good luck.

      Allie

      January 1, 2020 at 6:47 pm

    • I’d go so far as to say the country will be far the far worse off because of this Conservative win,rewarding individuals with knighthoods’ sends completly the wrong message who have actively failed to achive anything but create anti public properganda against sections of society dangerously spilling over to the wider population,the US largely overcame this and embraced emigration as a positive benefit and history proves that.Instead of each contributes to the whole,what appears to be happening here is a flagwaving false patriotic belief that all is at the end of a rainbow under Conservative rule again its only my opinion.

      WIth my terrible counting theres been seven secretary of state for work and pensions since the launch of Universal Credit including Iian Duncan Smith who clearly didn’t reverse the problems’ in that department who have continually ridden a wave of negative publicity not only effecing those out of work but those in work also.Those at the receiving end deserve the reward.

      ken

      January 1, 2020 at 9:05 pm

  42. How many persecuted Yadzi women, Coptic Christians, women being sold as sex slaves, white South African farmers,,, do we welcome to the UK. Immigration seems pretty selective in what it allows in, wouldn’t you say, ken? You are spouting the same wishy-washy claptrap that thankfully the vast majority of this country do not support. We can see all around us what is happening in our villages, towns and cities, our communities. Somali pirates dealing drugs. There are two kinds of immigrants: criminals and the moneyed classes. The people that really need our help and support and being left to be slaughtered in their own homes, the victims of genocide are left to rot. So spare us your crocodile tears, ken. There is another agenda going on. It is truly frightening what is happening. What kind of future are we leaving for our children, our children’s children. That’s is why the electorate voted for Brexit. And why the electorate voted Tory . You may not be around, ken, but you can’t go on stoking up problems for future generations. Politicians are shit-stirring, implementing policies that they know will lead to problems further down the line. Politicians will never be out of a job – they will make sure of it. But why should we, our children and our children’s children suffer.

    Tabitha

    January 2, 2020 at 12:13 am

  43. Shadow Home Secretary Diane Abbott’s privately-educated son, 28, is charged with 11 offences including exposing himself and attacks on police and NHS staff

    James Abbott-Thompson appeared at Thames Magistrates Court on Tuesday 31st December 2019, charged with 11 new offences including 9 assaults, most of these have been in relation to incidents with police or medics: violent offences including allegedly beating up police, emergency workers and doctors as well as exposing himself in a hospital.

    Labour News Update

    January 2, 2020 at 1:07 am

  44. How does a 78-year-old woman end up in a foodbank with no shoes on her feet in the UK? How does that come about?

    The Bullshit Detectorists

    January 2, 2020 at 1:20 am

    • Unless she was mentally ill demented or summat. We are being led to believe that 78-year-olds do not receive enough money to pay for food and shoes. Pension credit is £167.25 (for single people) or £255.25 (for couples) – over twice what the unemployed receive.

      https://www.gov.uk/pension-credit

      Val

      January 2, 2020 at 11:16 am

      • @ Val- So? Hardly generous is it?

        KJ

        January 3, 2020 at 2:40 am

  45. Corbyn’s politics is like running a coffee shop where you can only get Espresso. What happens if you prefer socialist Latte or Americano ? Sometimes the taste of socialism is too bitter for people, and they want some milk with it.

    Jack Reid

    January 2, 2020 at 12:56 pm

    • @Jack Reid – You know, that is very profound when you think about it. New Labour were more like socialist Latte. It’s different, but it’s still coffee after all.

      Charles D.

      January 2, 2020 at 1:17 pm

      • @ trev – Are you 19 and a socialist radical operating from a bedsit in Manchester ? Jack makes a very good point. The Corbynites do not have the sole rights to socialism. And a lot of people didn’t like Corbyn’s hard-left espresso. Just like Jack I prefer a kinder brand of socialism myself – a socialist Latte with the milk of kindness added. This is exactly the hard-left lack of tolerance that we saw with Militant Tendency.
        people have different opinions Trev, but that doesn’t make these opinions any less valuable.
        Socialism comes in many forms, just like religion.

        Tom Sutton

        January 2, 2020 at 3:34 pm

      • Never mind all that nonsense of coffee metaphors ffs. Do you believe in restoring the original Clause 4 part IV of the Socialist Manifesto, that the Workers should own the means of production? If not, then you’re not a Socialist.

        trev

        January 2, 2020 at 3:47 pm

      • @Charles D. And at least socialist coffee is not some Earl Grey, Tory Tea. Which is what you get when you lose an election !

        Helen

        January 2, 2020 at 3:52 pm

      • @ Tom Sutton-

        Who are you? Are you going to answer the question I asked you on the previous topic? I’ll put it here for you again in case you haven’t seen it.

        Wind it in, Tom. You’ve got what you wanted, defeat for Corbyn. What do you actually want from the Labour Party? I’ll tell you what I think you want- a party like Blair’s, that will relieve poverty and homelessness to a degree, but will do nothing that amounts to any real change. In fact that’s what you, so-called centrists and most of The Guardian journalists want, a party that doesn’t provide serious opposition to the Tories, just an organ to keep them from getting out of control. Something to mitigate the worst of Thatcherism, perhaps occasionally form a government, tinker round the edges a bit, but no fundamental changes to the root and branch scourge of exploitative neoliberal capitalism that so many are sick off. Because you’re afraid that if there was any real change, you might have to pay a bit more tax or have your cosy little lifestyle minorly inconvenienced in some way.

        Am I right?

        KJ

        December 24, 2019 at 3:19 am

        KJ

        January 3, 2020 at 3:04 am

    • @ Jack Reid

      The principles behind Labour’s Socialist policies are very popular with the majority of the British public:

      When you say “too bitter for some people” I think you mean for yourself because you’re not a Socialist. Tory Conservativism is too bitter for me, and the antidote is Socialism.

      trev

      January 2, 2020 at 2:13 pm

      • @trev – The bitter taste of Corbyn’s left-wing socialism poisoned the whole election. When the Labour Party was totally rejected by the working people of this country Corbyn must face the level of his defeat, and so unfortunately must the Labour Party. #Progress

        George H.

        January 2, 2020 at 3:41 pm

      • @ George H.

        That’s not true. The yougov poll clearly shows that the majority of people do not reject Socialist policies and ideology. The election was lost because of Brexit, and the demonization of Jeremy Corbyn certainly didn’t help, but it wasn’t lost because the public reject Socialism. As for Progress,they will be Proscribed in due course.

        trev

        January 2, 2020 at 3:52 pm

      • Its all been sold off state assets’ and the NHS widly use the private sector through lack of capacity and foreign owned and the money is going abroad.

        Socialism has nothing to do with this,we’ve been trough the cycle with Conservatism and it’s consequences.

        ken

        January 2, 2020 at 8:20 pm

      • @ George H.

        Another day another alias, eh George?

        KJ

        January 3, 2020 at 2:38 am

      • Here’s the latest similar poll from you.gov.

        J.D.

        January 5, 2020 at 9:26 am

  46. Corbyn and the Corbynites do not represent the entire Labour Party membership by any means.
    But because they are hard-left they think that their view of socialism is the only one, it isn’t.
    There are many valued comrades within the party who have a different view. Some would say a more practical and realistic view, of socialism.

    Andrew G.

    January 2, 2020 at 4:00 pm

    • The problem with the left, and you will know this, if you have ever been involved in left-wing politics is that as soon as there is a difference of opinion forms, no matter how small, the group fractures and splits up to form another group. The Tories although they undoubtedly squabble and have differences opinion tend to stick together and hold a ‘broad church’ of opinions under one roof. There is absolutely no tolerance in left-wing politics. There is absolutely no room for dissent. I can vividly recall a ‘comrade’ having the crap beaten out of them and being forcibly removed by heavies from a question and answer session with SWP head honcho Alex Callinicos for asking the ‘wrong’ question. This is the reality of left-wing politics. You have to experience it, to live it, to know what it is all about.

      Ex-SWP

      January 2, 2020 at 5:14 pm

      • @ Ex-SWP

        So the Tories stick together do they? So where did UKIP and the Brexit Party come from? Why were Sir John Major and Michael Heseltine both urging people not to vote Conservative? Not to mention Rees Mogg and the 1922 Committee.

        trev

        January 2, 2020 at 7:21 pm

      • @ Ex SWP- There is no ‘tolerance’ in far right politics either. The Tories, for all their faults and as much as I hate them, are not a far right party. Although having said that, did you miss the bit where Johnson forced Tory moderates out of the party and stuffed his cabinet with hard right-wingers?

        KJ

        January 3, 2020 at 2:29 am

    • So as a Socialist are you in favour of Nationalization Andrew? It seems that the majority of the British public are. And do you support the stated aims of the original Clause 4 of the Socialist Manifesto?

      trev

      January 2, 2020 at 5:47 pm

      • “Seizing the means of production [broadband network, railways, company stock, etc.] isn’t a Socialist idea.
        It’s a Communist/Marxist one. Marx wrote about this in his tome Das Kapital

        Brook Jacobi

        January 2, 2020 at 6:02 pm

      • It’s Socialist.
        Do you want the NHS to be Privatized? It seems the BBC does:

        https://beastrabban.wordpress.com/2020/01/02/the-beebs-biased-reporting-of-nhs-privatisation/

        trev

        January 2, 2020 at 6:13 pm

      • @trev, what exactly do you mean when you say “privatising the NHS”? Are these words that are meant to scare? Do you mean floating the NHS on the stock market which is what privatisation actually means. Do you mean more ‘contracting out’? Do you mean “seven figure sums for cancer treatment” as Jeremy Corbyn said? Do you mean the USA system? The USA is a whole different beast. We also have Medicaid/Obamacare which gives you a 100% ‘rebate’ on your healthcare costs. You don’t really know or understand what you are talking about.

        Cara Eckenrode

        January 2, 2020 at 6:30 pm

      • @ Cara

        I understand that if the Tories get their way care and/or treatment will no longer be free at point of access. And people should be scared. Our NHS should not be sold to American companies, it should not be Privatized by stealth, no aspect of it should be contracted out to Private companies, no profit should be made from it. In fact if I had my way the entire ‘Big Pharma’industry would be Nationalized as in my view it is immoral to profit from the development, manufacture, sale and supply of medication and medical equipment. You can scoff and get on your high horse to your heart’s content but you won’t be laughing when it happens and millions of people are excluded from healthcare.

        trev

        January 2, 2020 at 7:13 pm

      • It is all well and dandy seizing a private asset such as GlaxoSmithKline, but what do you so with it from them onwards. Or is becomes like what happened in Rhodesia/South Africa. The white farmers were had their farms seized, and the farmers who didn’t flees in time were either shot or fled if they were quick enough. Hooray! The socialist blacks had seized the capitalists means of production, but like good socialists they blacks were lazy, they expected something for nothing. They were of single digit IQ and couldn’t farm they way out of a paper-bag. Now they farms lay overgrown, abandoned and desolate, and the people starve. Socialism in action. Welcome to Corbyn’s Britain It is a tough call but you might just need that element of private profit to incentivise, keep things moving and fresh, innovative otherwise assets will atrophy and wither on the vine. Imagine a nuclear war broke out and by a freak chance (you were reading a socialist pamphlet that shielded you) you were the last man alive. At first you would be happy as Larry. Just grabbing whatever you wanted from shops without paying. Everything for free. True socialism! But how long would it last?

        Teena Koehler

        January 2, 2020 at 7:34 pm

      • @ Teena Koehler-

        Resorting to racism and bullshit straw man arguments now I see. You people are desperate. And why is it that whenever Trev posts a response and asks a question, the person responding is never the person the question is addressed to? Can you answer me that, Brook / Cara / Teena, or will you just post something under yet another assumed name?

        KJ

        January 3, 2020 at 2:36 am

    • trev

      January 2, 2020 at 6:06 pm

      • @trev , I do not support Clause 4, and I believe Blair was right when he removed it from the manifesto.

        Andrew G.

        January 2, 2020 at 7:40 pm

      • Then, like Blair, you are not a Socialist and the Labour party is not the right place for you.

        trev

        January 2, 2020 at 7:45 pm

      • lol trev No-one is seriously suggesting that Blair is a socialist just that Blairism as as good as it gets as far as Labour’s election chances go. You have to be realistic.

        Harlan Olivas

        January 2, 2020 at 8:01 pm

      • Then if it’s not Socialism there’s no point getting elected and no point voting for it. I’m an Idealist, I never voted for New Labour, I voted either Green or SWP throughout the Blair years. I only returned to Labour because Corbyn and McDonnell transformed the party into old-style Labour that was something I could vote for. They finally made it possible for me and many others to vote Labour again after years in the Political wilderness. If Labour goes back to Blairite neoliberalism I won’t vote Labour, simple as that. I doubt that will happen again though, now there are enough Leftwing members to ensure the party remains on a Socialist path.

        trev

        January 2, 2020 at 9:12 pm

      • @Harlan Olivas-

        It is not unrealistic to expect the electorate to vote for Democratic Socialist policies in the face of the alternative.

        KJ

        January 3, 2020 at 3:10 am

      • You can no longer win a general election by pandering only to the working class. There just are no enough of them to secure a majority by depending on votes garnered from those people alone. Labour has always enjoyed support from the enlightened middle class but if it can’t capture enough votes from other middle class men and women Labour will remain in eternal opposition. To win the Labour party HAS to have MASS appeal across all classes and categories of the voting public in the United Kingdom. This is the way it is and the main reason why Labour just suffered its next to worst defeat EVER.

        Allie

        January 3, 2020 at 9:08 am

      • @ Allie

        So you’re saying that Labour lost the election because they didn’t appeal to the Middle Class? Wrong. The main reason was Brexit. The other contributing factor was the demonization and orchestrated smear campaign against Corbyn, but mainly it was Brexit and nothing whatsoever to do with Socialist policies that were in fact popular with the majority of the public.

        trev

        January 3, 2020 at 2:22 pm

      • Old, traditional, Labour, trev yearn for the times, conditions when it was possible to win an election on the backs of the working-class. But times have moved on since the days of Keir Hardie and Nye Bevan. Ironically it was the hard-won improvements to the conditions of the working-class by Old Labour (and Old Tory to give them their due) that has strangled the electoral golden goose. Times have moved on, Only a roll-back of conditions to a bygone era would win an election for Old Labour. Old Labour would need a time machine to win an election.

        HG Wells

        January 3, 2020 at 12:52 pm

      • @ “HG Wells”

        But the Tories ARE rolling back the years, their policies are designed to destroy and dismantle the Welfare State, to scrap Human Rights and Workers Rights, they are turning us back to Victorian times. Millions living in poverty, thousands homeless, one & half million relying on foodbanks, Socialism is the only way to fight the bastards.

        trev

        January 3, 2020 at 2:16 pm

      • @ trev

        In the UK 62.5% of the population own their own homes, many of whom are aspirational members of the working class who no longer consider themselves to be dyed-in-the-wool tribally working class. The UK’s middle class has expanded and the traditional working class has shrunk. This demographic change is still continuing. Statistically there are not enough men and women who qualify as being working class, even if all these people voted Labour, to get Labour over the line in a general election. If Labour only appeals to the working class demographic it will remain out of power FOREVER. If Labour wants to win it absolutely 100% has to broaden its appeal: since 1979 the Labour party has only won three general elections and every single one of those wins was under Tony Blair.

        Nuff said.

        Allie

        January 3, 2020 at 5:46 pm

      • In this latest election Labour lost traditional Working Class votes (and lost the election) because of one reason; Brexit. They did not lose because they failed to appeal to Middle Class voters. The Middle Class vote had nothing to do with Labour’s defeat.

        trev

        January 3, 2020 at 6:15 pm

  47. Clause IV original version:

    “To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service.”

    Now replaced with Blair’s version:

    “ The Labour Party is a democratic socialist party. It believes that by the strength of our common endeavour we achieve more than we achieve alone, so as to create for each of us the means to realise our true potential and for all of us a community in which power, wealth and opportunity are in the hands of the many, not the few, where the rights we enjoy reflect the duties we owe, and where we live together, freely, in a spirit of solidarity, tolerance and respect. ”

    Sharda Jessen

    January 2, 2020 at 7:58 pm

    • @ Labour Realist- Are you ever going to post a comment here under a name you’ve used before? Or are you just going to carry on creating new ones every time you post?

      KJ

      January 4, 2020 at 3:32 am

  48. The AMD Ryzen 9 3950X processor at only £720 includes 16 CPU Cores with 32 threads and a base clock of 3.5GHz that can be boosted to 4.7GHz, and all to open findajob 😀

    Lai Stromain

    January 2, 2020 at 10:19 pm

  49. And can we please have a decent tune for the next election ? Something like ‘The Only Way Is Up’ ?

    Jack Frost

    January 2, 2020 at 10:31 pm

    • Here you are then:

      trev

      January 2, 2020 at 10:43 pm

      • @trev – Are you going to give up this Red Flag stuff or not ?

        Labour Realist

        January 3, 2020 at 1:35 pm

      • Never! Are you going to give up your principles (or perhaps you don’t have any)?

        trev

        January 3, 2020 at 2:24 pm

      • @ Labour Realist- Are you ever going to post a comment here under a name you’ve used before? Or are you just going to carry on creating new ones every time you post?

        KJ

        January 4, 2020 at 3:33 am

      • @ trev

        Many of Labour’s policies were popular but that was overshadowed by Corbyn’s unpopularity, doubts about Labour’s economic competence and Labour’s flaky position over Brexit.

        Political parties can offer voters heaven on earth but if the voters believe that the people offering paradise are no competent or trustworthy to deliver the things they promises all their promises and policies are absolutely worthless and rendered null and void.

        Allie

        January 5, 2020 at 9:32 am

      • Labour lost the election because a sizeable portion of Working Class turkeys…sorry I mean voters, voted Conservative, and the reason for that was Brexit. It had nothing to do with Socialist policies or the Middle Class vote as you were claiming.

        trev

        January 5, 2020 at 10:31 am

    • Some people never learn. There is still a society that you can join that insists the planet Earth is flat.

      https://theflatearthsociety.org/home/

      It could be that one day the Labour party will sink to a similar level of daftness if it doesn’t pick better leaders, devise and champion better policies and mend its ways before it is too late.

      Roxy

      January 3, 2020 at 5:39 pm

      • @ Roxy

        But there’s nothing wrong with Labour’s policies, the majority of the public supported the principles behind them. It was Brexit that lost Labour the election.

        trev

        January 3, 2020 at 6:27 pm

  50. Remember what i said about apprenticeships ?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-50973579

    Doug

    January 3, 2020 at 7:07 am

    • According to the Internet Archive doug said: “By bringing in apprenticeships Iain Duncan has proved yet again what an invaluable asset he his to the DWP. This man should be, and I predict given a knighthood for his services to benefit claimants. It was a widely held belief that Duncan Smith would be unable to better the ground-breaking Mandatory Work Activity but by defying the naysayers he has surpassed all expectations . Building on from previous provider-led programmes Apprenticeships are further testament to the vital role that providers play in employment programmes. Anything, that involves DWP ‘providers’ has to be a good thing.”

      Estelle Timmerman

      January 3, 2020 at 12:38 pm

    • The Army offer very good apprenticeships, but what sort of lunatic would work for an organization that persecutes its own soldiers no matter how long ago for mistakes or actions carried out in the line of duty whilst at the same time absolve terrorists whom they protect us against.

      Add to that, no statute of limitations, you would be forever looking over your shoulder even as a pensioner.

      You're in the Army Now

      January 3, 2020 at 12:44 pm

    • Yes, stay well away.

      xclausx

      January 3, 2020 at 1:35 pm

  51. The Shape Of Things To Come ? ‘Assistant Change Coach’ job description. Change Coach ? Sounds like hauling people off benefits by making them take any rubbish employment.

    ‘ Seetec Pluss is a Community Interest Company that supports thousands of people each year to achieve a career and fulfil their true potential.
    Our employment operations help jobseekers who need the most specialist support to find work. Our enterprise operations run alongside to create direct employment opportunities in a wide range of job roles.
    We are seeking enthusiastic individuals to support our customers to idenitfy employment opportunities and support them into employment.
    You will assist our Change Coaches in conducting programme iduction sessions, running job clubs and undertaking trouble shooting activities to ensure individuals sustain employment.’

    John Taylor

    January 3, 2020 at 1:34 pm

    • @John Taylor – Yes, in other words force people probably on Universal Credit to apply for unsuitable jobs they don’t want to do. And then spin this as some wonderful achievement.
      And if it looks like they might be unemployed again, chase them into some other dead-end job.
      This is the role of providers now – employment sheepdogs herding the unemployed sheep into employment.

      Barry M.

      January 3, 2020 at 2:31 pm

      • It’s nonsensical though because employers and agencies usually ask about health problems or require you to complete a health questionnaire. If you’re over 55 chances are you will have something or other to declare, and I was required to complete a health questionnaire that had very specific questions. As soon as you tick a few boxes on there you’re not likely to get the job. They want younger workers who are fit & healthy, who can work fast, they don’t want people with Hernias, Arthritis, high cholesterol, Diabetes etc. They also want people who have a good work record, been in recent employment, not those who haven’t worked for a few years. It doesn’t matter how many jobs the Jobcentre badger me into applying for, I’m not likely to ever get any of those jobs! There are other barriers too, “must have Retail experience”, “must have own transport”, “Driving Licence required”, etc. Some even say “must have 5 years checkable work history with no gaps in employment”.

        trev

        January 3, 2020 at 3:11 pm

      • @trev- This is very true, there is no common sense about any of this. Just this fixed obsession with employment at all costs from the DWP. There are many people who not been able to get jobs even on Universal Credit. But it all comes down to the Tory belief that no healthy adult should be claiming benefits, when they could be working.

        Jeff Smith

        January 3, 2020 at 4:30 pm

  52. Personally I think true socialism is a private matter, like religion. I don’t believe that any one group or sect has the right to say what is ‘socialism’ and what is not.

    Dave B.

    January 3, 2020 at 1:38 pm

  53. And I hope that the new leader of the Labour Party will be properly trained on take-away food, So that we can avoid the Theresa May situation, where she held a cone of chips as if it were some alien foodstuff. Or Miliband and the massive BLT sandwich. Any future leader needs to be able to go into McDonalds, and order a Big Mac and Fries and look as if they know what they are doing.

    Blue Labour Is Real

    January 3, 2020 at 1:48 pm

  54. @ H G Wells – And look what happened there. The old working-class became the Morlocks, savage hairy creatures that lived underground.

    Frank Coleman

    January 3, 2020 at 1:51 pm

    • The Morlocks used to clothe, feed and eat the Eloi, in your metaphor, presumably, everybody not a member of the old working-class. But then H. G. Well’s was a member of the Fabians and a strong supporter for and a believer in eugenics. He was not a nice person by any chalk of the imagination.

      Burp

      January 3, 2020 at 5:34 pm

      • He was actually a fucking political idiot, an old goat, and a kenspeckle cretin, for most of his life.

        But…

        “From Bolshevism to human rights
        Politically, Wells is in some respects a recognisably late-Victorian figure. Yet he lived until 1946, and was forced to adapt his political views to a rapidly and catastrophically changing world situation. His later career saw him engage with the new society in the Soviet Union, where he travelled twice, meeting Lenin in 1920 and Stalin in 1934.[7] A regime that claimed to be both socialist and internationalist was an exciting prospect, but in reality Wells – unlike his former Fabian colleagues George Bernard Shaw and Beatrice and Sidney Webb – was too much of a liberal to embrace Stalinism. During the Second World War, he drafted a ‘Universal Rights of Man’ that was published in a letter to the Times. This document, and the advocacy he did around it, did much to put global human rights on the political agenda in the postwar period, and was influential in the development of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in 1948.[8]”

        https://www.bl.uk/romantics-and-victorians/articles/h-g-wells-politics#

        Andrew Coates

        January 3, 2020 at 6:09 pm

      • Andrew, is there anything you can do about the multiple alias posting trolls on here?

        KJ

        January 4, 2020 at 3:38 am

      • When I see them I delete them, there’s a filter up for most racist words and other far-right gibberish.

        Why they bother with us lot is beyond me: this site is for people to speak their minds, not wage troll wars.

        Andrew Coates

        January 4, 2020 at 12:10 pm

  55. 3.4 million people in total have never had a paid job says RF.

    This briefing note explores why this paradox of more ‘working nows’ alongside more ‘worked never ’ has come to pass. One commonly asserted explanation – that a generous welfare system has increasingly allowed families to choose a life of worklessness – is very wide of the mark. Household worklessness is at record lows and the generosity of out-of-work benefits has declined over recent decades. Instead, the growth in the proportion of people who have never worked reflects changes in the lifecycle journey from education to employment, in particular a reduction in ‘earning while learning’ and slower transitions from education to employment

    https://www.resolutionfoundation.org/publications/never-ever/

    xclausx

    January 4, 2020 at 8:24 am


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