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Over a million households on Universal Credit having benefits cut to repay debts and loans.

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How much can be taken from Universal Credit payments? There is an overall maximum percentage rate for all debts and deductions that can be taken from a Universal Credit payment. The maximum amount that can be deducted is an amount equivalent to 30% of the claimant’s Universal Credit standard allowance.

It’s, odd as it seems, an improvement on the previous rate which was 40%.

The new rate came in this October,

The changes mean, from this month, the maximum amount that can be taken out of Universal Credit payments will fall from 40% to 30%.

This means if you’re currently affected by the 40% rate, you will start to see more money coming in every month.

Deductions can be taken out of a person’s Universal Credit entitlement for various reasons, including sanctions and for recovering debts such as arrears on rent and fuel bills.

Universal Credit changes coming into force this month – how they will affect you (Mirror)

But thirty percent is still very stiff, when you realise that the full rate of payment is already the bare minimum to live on.

Hence this story in the Observer.

Million universal credit households ‘do not get full entitlement’

Deductions to cover loans are forcing many to turn to food banks.

More than a million households on universal credit – 60% of everyone receiving the payments –are having their benefits cut to repay debts and loans.

Data sourced under the Freedom of Information Act show that in May – the most recent month for which figures are available – 1,048,000 universal credit claimants had a deduction of their benefit payment out of 1,759,000 claimants who received any universal credit payment that month.

The figures exclude deductions for fraud and sanctions. Nearly a third of all people on the troubled welfare scheme are having more than a fifth of their payment cut, often to repay loans that some claimants received to tide them over during the five-week wait for their first payment to arrive.

Charlotte Hughes, an anti-austerity campaigner who provides support and advice to benefit recipients, said universal credit deductions come up as an issue in her work every day. “Everyone is being hit by deductions in one way, shape or form. I don’t know anybody that actually receives the full amount of money that they’re supposed to get.”

She added that many claimants were having to use food banks as a result. “Your health suffers, your housing situation suffers, you can’t eat properly, you worry, you stress. It’s just never-ending.”

Gillian Guy, chief executive of Citizens Advice, said: “Our evidence shows many people on universal credit are struggling to make ends meet, and that deductions are contributing to this.” She said the government should introduce affordability tests when recouping debts from claimants.

The story continues,

A separate freedom of information request shows that universal credit claimants who are having their benefits deducted to repay debts and loans owe an average of £903. About 570,000 households owe more than £1,000, including 80,000 people owing more than £5,000.

The largest deductions are often due to overpaid tax credits, incurred when claimants earned more than expected under the existing tax credit system. Many of these debts date back many years.

Minutes of a meeting of welfare rights advisers in October 2018 show that Neil Couling, the head of the universal credit programme, “admitted that the government over the last 18 months has demanded a push to recover old debt and has provided UC with extra funds to do this”.

There is plenty of scope for the DWP’s famous ability to get things wrong.

Sarah, from Lancashire, is one claimant affected by this “push”. Unable to work for health reasons, she lives with her partner and daughter. The government has been deducting more than £100 a month from her universal credit payment, mostly to repay tax credit overpayments dating back to 2009. The level of the deduction changes each month, as does the amount of benefit she receives, making it impossible for her to budget.

“If I owe money I’ll pay it back,” she said. “I have no qualms about paying money back that I owe. But my argument is, ‘Why are they taking such a big chunk of my money?’ Over £150 some months – that’s a lot of money. That’s like two weeks’ worth of shopping, that they’re taking off me and we are running out of food.”

She started claiming universal credit in 2017 after leaving full-time work to become a part-time paid carer for her uncle. A car accident and subsequent diagnosis with osteoarthritis and fibromyalgia forced her out of paid work altogether.

The deductions are forcing her to borrow from her family. “We’re robbing Peter to pay Paul. We get our money today, we get our food shopping, we always make sure our bills and everything are paid first, and then we pay back whoever we owe. So we end up with no money left.”

On top of her tax credit debts, she is also having £50 a month deducted for a loan that she never borrowed. After the Observer spoke to the Department for Work and Pensions about Sarah’s case, it accepted that the loan deduction was a mistake and pledged a refund, while agreeing to discuss recovering the tax credit debts at a more affordable rate.

In the meantime DWP MInister  Thérèse Coffey re-tweeted this happy little note;

Written by Andrew Coates

November 25, 2019 at 10:27 am

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  1. Thankfully Labour will scrap this unjust and dysfunctional Universal Credit system and dismantle the DWP. VOTE LABOUR!

    trev

    November 25, 2019 at 10:31 am

    • @trev – Yeah, but will they win ? If they don’t we can look forward to another 5 years of Conservatism.

      Tom Sutton

      November 25, 2019 at 1:18 pm

      • You’re stating the obvious there Tom. Are you going to vote Labour?

        trev

        November 25, 2019 at 3:09 pm

      • No, it’s no good. I can’t face voting for Corbyn.

        Tom Sutton

        November 25, 2019 at 4:22 pm

      • Can’t you see it has voting for Labour rather than voting for Corbyn? After all, he’s getting on a bit and even if they win he probably won’t be in the job for too much longer. If you don’t vote Labour you are part of the problem not part of the solution. Getting rid of the Tories has to be the number one priority of this election.

        trev

        November 25, 2019 at 4:33 pm

  2. Andrew Coates

    November 25, 2019 at 1:05 pm

  3. Universal Credit has always been a nasty system, aimed directly at the claimant. These repayment rates are a disgrace. The DWP acting as official loan-sharks . No wonder so many people end up the foodbank.
    But this was all part of the original design of UC. Cut the benefits down to the absolute minimum, in order to force people into low-paid work.

    Jeff Smith

    November 25, 2019 at 1:16 pm

    • It’s like the Poor Laws all over again.

      Histograham

      November 25, 2019 at 3:51 pm

      • It’s very bad.These deductions’ are down to Universal Credit and not seen on Jobseekers Allowance.The welfare state has been turned into a punishment system by the Conservatives.Its the people at the bottom this will effect the most.The work of a nasty spiteful so and so taken out on the weakest the hallmarks of a bully.

        There’s gangs’ of homeless on the streets now.

        The Tory Hamper

        November 26, 2019 at 6:03 pm

  4. My goodness that Jo Swinson of the flapping arms is goddamn bloody irritating.

    Illiberal Undemocrat

    November 25, 2019 at 3:53 pm

  5. Oh God ! It’s all going Miliband once again. I knew it, you can’t make people eat marmite sandwiches if they don’t want to.

    Despairing Labour

    November 25, 2019 at 4:25 pm

    • Miliband failed because he wrongly thought he could get elected by emulating the Tories. And of course biased media coverage didn’t help his case.

      trev

      November 25, 2019 at 4:28 pm

      • @Trev – I know you will defend Corbyn to the end, but why are the Tories still so far ahead ? I had a sinking feeling that the greased piglet would somehow wriggle into the lead. The Telegraph are talking about 80 seats majority for the Tories !

        John Taylor

        November 25, 2019 at 4:40 pm

      • Well the Telegraph is a Tory rag so they will always put a pro-Tory spin on things, and we can’t always believe the polls, but IF the Tories really are slightly ahead then that is down to several factors; biased reporting and misrepresentation by the mainstream media, smear campaigns by the Rightwing (aided and abetted by the mainstream media in conjunction with British Intelligence and the Institute for Statecraft), and of course political illiteracy on the part of the ill-informed and gullible electorate, as well as the Brexit issue being an extra fly in the ointment in this particular election to confuse matters even further.

        trev

        November 25, 2019 at 5:02 pm

      • @ trev

        Too few people have warmed to Jezza, rate Jezza, trust Jezza and think he’s clever enough to be PM. There is always a lot of very negative press against Labour leaders, apart from the Mirror, Guardian and Independent etc., but with the press losing influence as everything is becoming digital and after nearly ten years of Tory-LibDem coalition and Tory minority government where malnutrition and homelessness have returned to haunt the country this doesn’t explain why so many people seem to have a visceral dislike for Jeremy Corbyn. Corbyn has done his best to win folk over but hasn’t managed it enough in big enough numbers and if the blinding manifesto, which does contain many brilliant policies, still isn’t moving up in the polls because people don’t think he’s up to implementing much of what it contains.

        Plus: Shouldn’t a political leader have a position in respect to the issue dominating this very election, i.e., Brexit? How can the leader of the Labour party remain personally “neutral” as far as THE very thing that this election was called to decide, when prior to becoming leader Corbyn was consistently a staunch Brexiteer? Dilatory behaviour like this doesn’t help make the man appear to be decisive, dynamic and principled you realise nor help make him look leaderly. You may say that policies should trump personalities, which they should and in an ideal world would, but that isn’t what it’s like for most voters when they cast their ballots. The leader of a party has always been a figurehead for their party and his/her appearance, wit, intelligence, competence, achievements, character, personality and past history are all crucial as far as most voters are concerned and sadly Jezza falls down on most of these attributes in too many ways to number.

        The best we can hope for is that Labour don’t lose too many seats and that the manifesto will whet the appetites of people for left-of-centre policies and begin to pull the British centre of gravity leftwards from the right and back towards the centre. To win power Labour will need more than a great manifesto however: to power win the party absolutely must have a convincingly great leader too.

        I will be voting Labour where I live DESPITE Jeremy Corbyn being leader of the party.

        I am voting AGAINST the Tories not FOR the Labour party.

        It shouldn’t be like this.

        Jesus McJehova

        November 25, 2019 at 6:30 pm

      • Corbyn’s neutral stance on Brexit seems perfectly reasonable to me, after all it doesn’t matter what his opinion is, it’s not about his choice, it’s about the choice of the people. I would say on Brexit I’m probably fairly neutral myself actually. I don’t have strong opinions either way, and I can see possible pros & cons on either side. Brexit will get sorted eventually, hopefully for the better of the country, but in the meantime my main priority is getting rid of the Tories and sorting out Social Security and addressing poverty.

        trev

        November 25, 2019 at 6:57 pm

  6. Can I say to comrades reading this, that we will not be the ones to hold any grudges on December 13th.
    Sometimes you have to go through struggle and hardship to reach the truth. #Progress

    David M.

    November 25, 2019 at 4:46 pm

    • We’ve had a decade of struggle and hardship under Tory mismanagement of the country and the effects of a brutal Class War that has wrecked the Welfare State and killed thousands. We have had 40 years of neoliberalism that has resulted in the greatest transfer of wealth to the rich than in any point in history. Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell are the only ones opposing this horrific state of affairs and offering the solution. But it all depends whose side you are really on doesn’t it David?

      trev

      November 25, 2019 at 5:09 pm

      • trev, are you are suggesting that ‘David M.’ is one of our resident Tories?

        Miss Marple

        November 25, 2019 at 5:52 pm

      • Possibly, or a post-Blairite neoliberal, who knows?

        trev

        November 25, 2019 at 6:04 pm

      • You mean Tom Watson is our resident Tory/post-Blairite Neoliberal?

        Miss Marple

        November 25, 2019 at 6:09 pm

  7. It seems that the waspi women will be joining the disabled and pensioners along with nurses and police officers in the queue for the foodbank. You will never an unemployed person going cap in hand-in-hand to a foodbank simply because dole money is a King’s ransom. The unemployed are rolling in money unlike the aforementioned groups.

    Wispa Woman

    November 25, 2019 at 5:48 pm

    • You don’t go cap-in-hand to a foodbank, you get referred there by either your GP or Social Services or by the CAB, then you have an assessment interview to ascertain your situation and needs, then if you qualify you may receive food parcels and toiletries etc. and other things like dog/cat food where applicable. I have been volunteering at a foodbank for two years. Some of our clients are unemployed, some are in work.

      trev

      November 25, 2019 at 6:02 pm

      • A lot of Tories still think you can just turn up and get free food. Like a free supermarket. But this is the trouble with being so out of touch. For people who have never claimed benefits, or know anyone who has, things can look very different.

        Susan

        November 25, 2019 at 6:12 pm

    • What a load of effing crap! £73.10 week is not rolling in money, it’s not even enough to live on properly.

      Sibrydionmawr

      November 29, 2019 at 5:52 pm

  8. Universal credit only exists to fuel ZHC/gig economy and get hard up people into DEBT.

    It does not take a genius to figure out that UC is configured purely for the above in that if it cant subtract the meager wage many earn from benefits on low paid irregular work, it will thrust them into debt.

    While HMRC works on real time (RTI), DWP works to its own timetable which often more so than not drives the unemployed/poorly employed people into a cycle of debt despite the whole country knowing everyone who starts a job is always always in arrears to begin with.
    DWP make climbing the financial sustainability ladder impossible as they day one start you off on an incline knowing most have already spent that last paycheck paying off last months arrears forced on them by low hours, low pay and high cost of living prices, so are forced to take out loans,borrow from friends aswell as visit foodbanks.

    Doug

    November 25, 2019 at 10:22 pm

    • That’s 100% true. The idea of Universal Credit is to liberalise and casualise work to benefit the employers and, for those who can’t find decent full-time work, to get “something out of them” by forcing them into whatever part-time and/or irregular work is available to make them productive as far as the economy goes even though personally such work doesn’t help improve their lives much or at all.

      From the Tory point of view if one million sick, disabled or unemployed people work one hour each week that’s a million hours of work that benefits the economy even though for each those people on Universal Credit only keep 37% of the one hour of pay they receive for commuting to work to do one hour of work. On the minimum wage if you receive Universal Credit this means that unless you work for 35 hours or more you take home £3.04 or less for every hour that you work and probably you Council Tax jumps up to boot.

      A system promoting this kind of work is NOT the best way out of poverty but is a darn good way to allow employers to utilise labour flexibly and for the economy to benefit from squeezing productivity out of the non-productive without benefiting most of that demographic in any way that really matters.

      Durex

      November 26, 2019 at 8:36 am

      • It’s also an excellent way for the government to massage the unemployment figures as if a million people were doing even just an hour a week they would be counted as employed – clearly ridiculous, but there we go, there are lies, damned lies and statistics.

        Sibrydionmawr

        November 29, 2019 at 5:56 pm

  9. The Chief Rabbi has strongly criticised Labour, claiming the party is not doing enough to root out anti-Jewish racism.

    Israelitish Man

    November 25, 2019 at 11:07 pm

  10. THE general election is fast approaching and it is very clear what the two main parties think they need to secure in order to win: the grey vote. Sure, the Labour Party has vowed to increase the minimum wage from £8.21 to £10 within the next year while the Tories have pledged to extend English childcare provision into school holidays, but to all intents and purposes it is those of retirement age rather than working age that their manifestos have been designed to woo.

    Take the Conservatives. The Boris Johnson-led party has always done well with older voters, securing the backing of 58 per cent of 60 to 69 year olds and 69% of over 70s in 2017, but it clearly isn’t resting on its laurels. One of its key manifesto pledges is to maintain the pensions triple-lock that was introduced by the coalition government in 2011 and will see pensioners effectively get a pay rise of 3.9% come April next year.

    So far so predictable. It would, after all, be a very brave party that would risk losing the grey vote by taking away something pensioners have become accustomed to receiving for the best part of a decade. And let’s not forget the trouble Theresa May ran into with confidence-and-supply buddy the DUP after she tried to water down the triple lock during her time at Number 10. Short shrift hardly begins to cover it.

    Labour, which in 2017 won the hearts and minds of teenage voters but failed to make an impact on the older generations, has gone much further. Not only has Jeremy Corbyn’s party pledged to keep the triple lock, it has vowed to scrap the planned rise in the state pension age from 66 to 67 and pay compensation to Waspi women too. A whole £58 billion of compensation.

    Speaking after his party had revealed its manifesto last week, at the weekend shadow Chancellor John McDonnell told The Observer that a “debt of honour” was owed to women born in the 1950s because during their working lives the state pension age had increased from 60 to 65 then on again to 66. Peddling the myth that these women had “paid in” to a pension pot and so deserved to get a specific level out, he called that shift an “historic injustice” and promised to introduce a universal scheme that would see millions of affected women handed an average compensatory payment of £15,380 if Labour wins the vote.

    Perhaps he had only just realised that his party only won 27% of the sixty-something vote in 2017 and thought this would be a good way to secure a bigger share this time round. Perhaps he was making hay out of the fact that the Tories refused to offer any Waspi compensation during their manifesto launch on Saturday. Or perhaps he really believes, as the 1950s women have become very adept at repeating, that these women have been robbed of what they believe is rightfully theirs. Either way, Mr McDonnell has made one hell of a shaky move, not least because the £58bn hasn’t been costed.

    Speaking on Sunday’s Andrew Marr Show, Paul Johnson, the director of non-political organisation the Institute for Fiscal Studies, said the Labour Party would have to borrow an additional £12bn every year over the next five years in order to honour the commitment, something that could have a devastating impact on the public purse. Indeed, Mr Johnson, a former Treasury economist, said it “drives a coach and horses immediately through [Labour’s] manifesto pledge” to balance the books. Worse still, it prioritises one relatively small group of women while failing to address the needs of the working-age population.

    That is a big mistake. Women have faced financial inequalities since the beginning of time and there is no doubt that many of those born in the 1950s will be facing less secure retirements than men thanks to a lifetime of lower wages, career breaks and part-time hours. But they have not suffered any injustice because their retirement age has risen and they certainly haven’t had any money stolen from them. Rather than going along with that lie, the Labour Party would do better to pledge to educate all of us on how the state pension system works to make sure everyone knows their national insurance contributions aren’t accumulating in a pension fund with their name on it and that all of us should be doing more to save for retirement.

    Yet while Labour said it would expand automatic enrolment into a workplace pension to low earners and the self-employed, it made no commitment to compel bosses to increase the paltry amount they are currently obliged to contribute on their employees’ behalf. As of April this year staff must pay 5% of their salary into their workplace pension in order to qualify for their employer’s 3%, but it is widely accepted that that will be nowhere near enough to fund a comfortable retirement. With the taxes these workers pay having to fund an extra year’s worth of state pension if the Labour Party gets its way, surely the least it could have done is offer something to the workers to make amends. Perhaps, given that it commands a far greater share of the vote than the Conservatives in every age group up to 50, it thought it didn’t have to bother.

    Not that the Tories are any better. Having pledged in its 2017 manifesto to include the self-employed in auto-enrolment, the Conservative Party has quietly dropped any mention of it this time round, while Mr Johnson’s ongoing promise to “fix” the pension problems dogging the NHS continues to ring hollow. Yes, the party’s manifesto says that within 30 days back in power the Tories would “hold an urgent review” to solve the pensions crisis to “make sure that doctors spend as much time as possible treating patients”, but it fails to mention the pig’s ear the Government has made of solving the issue so far.

    Indeed, despite reviewing the situation since August and coming up with a number of not very satisfactory solutions since, the Government appears still to be pursuing a sticking-plaster approach when only a complete overhaul that takes account of everyone affected, and not just senior doctors, will do.

    Sure, chasing the grey vote could make the difference between winning or losing on December 12, but if we’re all in this together, in a country made up of the many and not the few, then our parties need to find ways for us all to move forward together. That means looking out for our workers just as much as for our pensioners. They’ll be retired one day too, you know.

    Teegy

    November 26, 2019 at 7:34 am

  11. McDonnell is proposing to give waspi women £31,000 upfront… and then some. Imagine if McDonnell was proposing to give the unemployed, those struggling on low pay… £31,000 as immediate compensation… and then some. Hey McDonnell, what about ‘compensating’ those who have been ‘robbed’ by the benefit ‘freeze’, those whom your party colluded with IDS and the Tories to deny recompense for those wrongly sanctioned for failure to participate in workfare schemes.

    The biggest crock was some union bloke saying that “waspi women will spend their money in the economy thus creating jobs”. Whose economy and whose jobs? The Benidorm economy. Waspi women are not short of a pound or two, they have everything they need or want, property owners etc. so their is no immediate need for them to go on some stupid spending spree to create jobs in China. More than likely they will stash their cash in a offshore account.

    There is nothing, bar the usual platitudes, absolutely nothing in Labour’s manifesto for the unemployed and working poor.

    Tammi

    November 26, 2019 at 7:50 am

    • @ Tammi

      Well I’m poor and unemployed and I think it’s the best manifesto I’ve ever seen.

      trev

      November 26, 2019 at 9:06 am

      • Labour’s manifesto is a ‘manifesto for hope’, and you know what they say, trev, living in hope is like dancing without music.

        To paraphrase Eddy Grant

        ♫Gimme hope Jezza
        Hope Jezza
        Gimme hope Jezza
        ‘Fore the morning come♫

        Hopeless in Ipswich

        November 26, 2019 at 9:18 am

      • Labour’s manifesto is a ‘manifesto for hope’, and you know what they say, trev, living in hope is like dancing without music.

        To paraphrase Eddy Grant

        ♫Gimme hope Jezza
        Hope Jezza
        Gimme hope Jezza
        ‘Fore the morning after the election come♫

        Hopeless in Ipswich

        November 26, 2019 at 9:19 am

      • But what is life without hope? That’s what the Tories are offering – a life devoid of all hope. They may as well hang a sign above the door of the Jobcentre saying “Abandon all hope all ye who enter here”.

        trev

        November 26, 2019 at 11:32 am

      • Or ‘Arbeit Macht Frei’ Trev, eh?

        Sibrydionmawr

        November 29, 2019 at 6:11 pm

  12. And McDonnell’s £58 BILLION wouldn’t come from nowhere. It would be clawed by by “austerity measures” “in order to balance the books” by a future Tory government. The Piper always has to be paid. And we all know who would suffer as a consequence, and it certainly wouldn’t be the ‘waspi women’.

    Tammi

    November 26, 2019 at 7:53 am

  13. To be honest I don’t think Labour’s poor showing is all down to Corbyn but more due to Brexit truth be told. When you think about it dyed-in-the-wool Brexiteers can only really vote for the Conservatives or Brexit party to be sure Brexit gets done, whereas Remainers can vote Labour, Liberal Democrat, Green, Scottish Nationalist, Plaid Cymru and several other smaller parties, depending on where they live, which means that since the EU referendum was split pretty evenly between Remain and Leave (12:13) the Remain vote these days gets split between many more parties than the Leave vote making it much easier for the biggest leave party, i.e., Tories, to scoop up the lion’s share of the leave vote and so beat Labour.

    This is the weirdest election I have ever seen and participated in.

    Hopefully normal service will resume as soon as possible.

    Jim

    November 26, 2019 at 11:15 am

    • It certainly is the weirdest election I’ve ever known. When you get a dyed-in-the-wool Tory like Michael Heseltine urging people NOT to vote Conservative, you have to do a reality check! It shows how bad Boris’s Brexit deal must be. It’s like the whole political system is being turned on its head. One of the most anti-racist Politicians ever is now being accused of racism! Nothing makes sense anymore.

      trev

      November 26, 2019 at 11:28 am

      • And dyed-in-the-wool ‘war criminal’ Tony Blair urging us NOT to vote Labour. It is like waking up after falling down the rabbit hole!

        Alice in General Election Wonderland

        November 26, 2019 at 11:56 am

      • “Curiouser and curiouser”

        trev

        November 26, 2019 at 12:15 pm

      • Even Jeremy Corbyn and Boris Johnson won’t be voting for their own party; they will be voting for each others party and urge people do do the same.

        The Mad Hatter

        November 26, 2019 at 12:43 pm

      • Screaming Lord Sutch was ahead of his time.

        trev

        November 26, 2019 at 12:56 pm

  14. DWP – Department for Withholding Payments.

    There is no greater scrutiny by a vicious and fascist UK (Tory) government than when you become reliant on benefits. You will be spied on and every single transaction scrutinized to give them the excuse to remove the pittance they dole out after maybe decades of graft and expecting some support when you become ill or disabled.

    Vote labour.

    Violet

    November 26, 2019 at 1:34 pm

  15. Tory and Labour are two cheeks of the same arse!

    Tigerlily

    November 26, 2019 at 2:03 pm

    • Indeed I have heard it expressed as two sides of the same coin (Gnostics hold a similar view of Christ and Lucifer). I am familiar with that argument, though expressed rather differently. Some argue that the Left/Right Paradigm of Western Democracy can be seen in terms of the Hegelian Dialect; Thesis Vs. Antithesis produces Synthesis. The question then is what constitutes Synthesis and what does it represent; a perpetual hegemony with the illusion of democracy? Or the first stage in a New World Order and One World Government? A self-serving Totalitarianism or Utopia?

      trev

      November 26, 2019 at 2:17 pm

      • And what about the shape-shifting Reptilian Aliens ? Are they working away behind the scenes during this election ? Using their advanced mind control techniques to influence the debates ?
        They have been interfering in human affairs for millenia. Some people believe that the that the snake from Genesis was in fact a Reptilian being, who convinced Eve to break her oath to God by tasting the forbidden fruit of knowledge.

        Peter

        November 26, 2019 at 2:32 pm

      • Perhaps they have been *contributing* to human affairs rather than interfering, Serpent knowledge being crucial to mankind’s Spiritual evolution and progress. The Sons of Cain seek Ascension through Work in the Light of Knowledge, or as Albert Pike put it “is it he who bears the Light? Doubt it not!”.

        trev

        November 26, 2019 at 3:40 pm

      • All of our technology is given to us by aliens? Do you really think we invented the smartphone? That was what Stanley Kubrick was getting at in the film 2001: A Space Odyssey. In the opening scene the ape-like creatures called humanoids (our ancestors) are living on a barren plain dying slowly to starvation. The monolith appears and teaches them how to use tools in order to kill the leopards for food. Unfortunately one of the humanoids clubs another humanoid to death. And so aliens have helped us down through the millennia. Incidentally, 2001: A Space Odyssey is peppered with masonic rituals and hidden meanings. One of the controls on the space-ship is marked ‘ATM’. How is that for predicting the future. No surprise that Kubrick died a suspicious death.

        Eyes Wide Shut

        November 26, 2019 at 2:44 pm

      • Steady now and don’t try to steal my thunder.

        David Icke

        November 26, 2019 at 3:30 pm

    • You go slap them cheeks until them red, lady.

      Stormsea the Crapper

      November 26, 2019 at 3:26 pm

  16. I used to like Screaming Lord Sutch. At least he said up-front that he had no sensible policies at all.

    Zac

    November 26, 2019 at 2:20 pm

    • Didn’t Lord Sutch want to give everyone a free banana? Or maybe it was a doughnut? Anyway.

      Val

      November 26, 2019 at 2:34 pm

    • My cat could run the country better than Boris lol

      katrehman

      November 26, 2019 at 6:04 pm

  17. The British company that prints all the notes as per British currency, De La Rue, is teetering on the brink of bankruptcy. The main reason apparently is that De La Rue lost the contract to print the blue British passports designed to replace current EU passports, for citizens to use after leaving the EU, to a FRENCH company! Yes. Those barmy tub-thumping Brexiteer Tory loons seemingly so desperate to leave the EU awarded the contract to print new British passports not to a British firm but to a French company IN the EU!

    Tee-hee.

    You gorra larf ain’t’cha?

    Bulldoggy Dogg

    November 26, 2019 at 3:25 pm

  18. As we are unable to prove the objective existence of reality, this election, indeed the entire planet, may simply be an illusion. It could be nothing more than an online game being played by a teenage alien in the Draco system. And when his mother finds out he’s staying up late again, and makes him turn it off, that will be it.

    Astronomus

    November 26, 2019 at 3:58 pm

    • Our potential capabilities to possess such human qualities as love, empathy and virtue would seem to disprove that theory, though such qualities exist independently of Man. Indeed, Virtue as the Greeks put it, or Quality as Pirsig* put it, exists independently of subject and object, define subject and object, exist independent of Man, are indefinable and as such comparable to the Godhead.

      (* Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance)

      trev

      November 26, 2019 at 4:21 pm

    • “The evil demon, also known as malicious demon[1] and evil genius,[2] is a concept in Cartesian philosophy. In the first of his 1641 Meditations on First Philosophy, Descartes imagines that an evil demon, of “utmost power and cunning has employed all his energies in order to deceive me.” This evil demon is imagined to present a complete illusion of an external world, so that Descartes can say, “I shall think that the sky, the air, the earth, colours, shapes, sounds and all external things are merely the delusions of dreams which he has devised to ensnare my judgement. I shall consider myself as not having hands or eyes, or flesh, or blood or senses, but as falsely believing that I have all these things.”

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_demon

      Andrew Coates

      November 26, 2019 at 5:36 pm

      • Yes and then Descartes attempted to disprove his own existence but failed and did the opposite via Cartesian Doubt – “I doubt, therefore I think, therefore I AM, therefore God is”. Though Edgar Poe must have been unaware of that when he wrote, “Is all we see or seem, but a dream within a dream?”.

        trev

        November 26, 2019 at 5:56 pm

      • They Are Not Long – Ernest Dowson

        They are not long, the weeping and the laughter,
        Love and desire and hate;
        I think they have no portion in us after
        We pass the gate.

        They are not long, the days of wine and roses,
        Out of a misty dream
        Our path emerges for a while, then closes
        Within a dream.

        Ernest Dowson

        November 26, 2019 at 7:00 pm

      • Well it’s a nice poem but I’d say that the “misty dream” pertains more to the temporary experience of physical life rather than from where we emerge and return to. As Spiritual beings who are temporarily engrossed in matter for the duration of this particular earthly existence we now see “as through a glass darkly, but then we shall see clearly” (St.Paul, Corinthians). Death is the process by which we awaken from the “dream”. I know from personal experience that during o.o.b.e.’s one’s senses are much more heightened than when in the physical, and the experience is altogether more vivid.

        trev

        November 26, 2019 at 7:50 pm

      • After the tunnel, o.o.b It fades to black though, trev. Sleep is a daily rehearsal for death.

        Annette

        November 26, 2019 at 8:10 pm

      • That’s not been my experience Annette, no darkness or tunnels, maybe you’re confusing o.o.b.e. with n.d.e. ?

        My oobes have been fully awake and conscious, travelling about, even visited a past life and witnessed my own death in a former lifetime in 1350 BC

        trev

        November 26, 2019 at 9:17 pm

      • I am talking n.d.e.which did include an o.o.b.e. no time traveling or journeying to distant galaxies though

        Annette

        November 27, 2019 at 1:11 am

    • Who cares a monkey’s about hair-splitting philosophy when girls abound with large shapely breasts?

      (Stephen Hodge)

      S. Hodge

      November 26, 2019 at 7:51 pm

    • It would be really weird if everything we thought we knew was just an illusion, like in The Matrix.

      Jane

      November 27, 2019 at 12:47 pm

      • Or God’s ‘goldfish experiment’; some extra-terrestrial kid’s 6 form science project.

        Neo

        November 27, 2019 at 12:58 pm

      • Or a galactic penal colony, where all the ‘bad’ people are put to fight with each other. The outer wing of a galaxy is the kind of place you would build such a facility.

        Inter Stella

        November 27, 2019 at 1:04 pm

  19. Saw Corbyn grilled on TV by Andrew Neil last night. What a car crash. He didn’t have much of a clue about tax and spend or any idea where the billions needed to compensate the WASPI women was coming from. Please God let him stand down as soon as possible and let Keir Starmer – young, dynamic, educated and brilliant – take over so that Labour could win a general election in 2024.

    Nobby

    November 27, 2019 at 7:34 am

    • I saw it too, thought Andrew Neil was a pedantic prick who wouldn’t let Corbyn get a word in, his line of questioning techniques were reductionist and Sophist. If I’d have been Corbyn I might have blown my pacifist stance by punching him in the face and walking off, but I guess that’s why I’m not a Politician!

      trev

      November 27, 2019 at 12:45 pm

      • @Trev- It would have been much better if Jeremy Corbyn had stayed away from Andrew Neil.
        Neil is well known for his tough interviewing style. And he is no enthusiast for the Labour Party.
        In the wake of the Prince Andrew fiasco, the last thing we need is a series of bad interviews damaging the Labour brand before Polling Day.

        Anxious Labour

        November 27, 2019 at 12:52 pm

      • Andrew Neil is a well-known Rottweiler who should be kept locked in his kennel. Corbyn should have went on ‘Lorraine’ or ‘Loose Women’, ‘Blue Peter’ instead or even Gardener’s Question Time to talk about his allotment.

        Querana

        November 27, 2019 at 1:11 pm

      • @trev, As Gordon Brown once said after a car-crash street interview, ‘Whose idea was that ?’

        Tom Sutton

        November 27, 2019 at 1:13 pm

      • Holly Willoughby and Phillip-Schofield are well-known for their tough interviewing style. Corbyn should have parked himself on the Good Morning sofa. He may even have got a free testicles check-up courtesy of their in-house doctor.. Even the One Show would have given him an easier ride.

        Lisa

        November 27, 2019 at 1:19 pm

      • ‘Whose idea was that ?’ Tom Watson?

        A Campbell

        November 27, 2019 at 1:21 pm

      • @querana, Exactly. Why do it ? Why put yourself in difficulty like this ? I know he has to make statements, but set-piece interviews are another thing. Where are his advisors in this ?

        Jack Reid

        November 27, 2019 at 1:21 pm

      • I believe that Nicola Sturgeon, Jeremy Corbyn, Jo Swinson and Boris Johnson all agreed to be interviewed by Andrew Neil and so suppose anybody backing out would have looked cowardly. I’m wondering how BoJo is going to come across. To be honest the more I see of him the less I am impressed by him. (He repeats memes and sound bites until they dies of shame, e.g., his “oven ready deal” with the EU, which just needs to be popped into the microwave etc.) Johnson much like Corbyn is not a details man and often gets things wrong and fluffs them, even lies about them. There’s another Andrew Neil interview on tonight but I don’t know whether BoJo is going to end up on the wrack or Swinson. Andrew Neil most certainly has no respect for Boris Johnson and so I imagine would haul the liar in chief over the coals.

        Quentin

        November 27, 2019 at 4:54 pm

      • trev

        November 27, 2019 at 5:07 pm

      • Some of Neil’s questions were rather arch. For example I thought asking Corbyn whether he would order British troops to assassinate the “new leader of ISIS” if the Brits knew who and where he was in order to protect citizens for terrorist attacks was pretty sh1t. I was surprised how poor Jezza’s loose grasp on the policy agenda laid out in the Gray Book and Labour’s Manifesto was a bit shocking though; he seemed a little tired from campaigning to be honest but seeming that vague and foggy about tax and the economy wasn’t a good look. And, as Corbyn himself pointed out, Andrew Neil never mentioned poverty and social security about which, I am sure, Corbyn would have had a lot to say.

        Doyle

        November 27, 2019 at 5:02 pm

      • Politicians used to say, rightly in this case, that they would not answer such hypothetical questions.

        Andrew Coates

        November 27, 2019 at 5:47 pm

      • @ Quentin

        Boris Johnson is the only “leader” who hasn’t agreed so far to be interviewed by Andrew Neil.

        https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/andrew-neil-interview-general-election-boris-johnson-jeremy-corbyn-1326098

        An unusually wise move for such a foolish and dissipated individual: nothing to gain; much to lose.

        Jim

        November 27, 2019 at 5:21 pm

    • @nobby. Why did they do this ? Corbyn’s no good at this close-up stuff. Andrew Neil rang rings round him.
      Disaster for Labour. Shot themselves in the foot again. And this Jewish stuff still coming up.

      Frank

      November 27, 2019 at 3:18 pm

      • @ Frank

        “This Jewish stuff” is still coming up because it’s a smear campaign by a very desperate and fearful Rightwing. If you took the time to read any alternative news sources you would realize that. Only today it was announced that Labour have received a letter of support from the Rabbinical Executive who clearly dismiss the antisemitism allegations as Political propaganda, which they wholly condemn. The mainstream media are unlikely to report this of course.

        trev

        November 27, 2019 at 5:22 pm

      • And what about the whole security question with Labour ?

        James G.

        November 27, 2019 at 10:50 pm

      • @ James G.

        The Tories have cut Defence expenditure to the bone!

        trev

        November 27, 2019 at 11:09 pm

  20. This link about UC deductions is fascinating, if very confusing, reading:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/universal-credit-debt-and-deductions-that-can-be-taken-from-payments

    As far as I can make out, that 30% maximum deduction from the Standard Allowance part of UC is only half true (like all the best lies) as there are 2 exceptions to the 30% max deduction rule, as follows (copied from above link):

    “How much can be taken from Universal Credit payments?

    There is an overall maximum percentage rate for all debts and deductions that can be taken from a Universal Credit payment. The maximum amount that can be deducted is an amount equivalent to 30% of the claimant’s Universal Credit standard allowance.

    There are 2 exceptions to this rule, Last Resort Deductions (arrears of housing and fuel) and ongoing monthly costs for utilities (gas, electricity and water) where there are also arrears being taken for them.”

    In other words, your Landlord/Water Board/Gas and/or Leccy Company can apply for any debts you have with one, or all, of these to be deducted directed from your UC at MORE than 30%, without your permission too.
    Does this also mean that if you’re already having 30% deducted for a UC advance say, then any ‘Last Resort Deduction’ get added on top? So just what is the maximum deduction that can be applied? It doesn’t actually say.
    In theory it could be 100% of the Standard Allowance as, in another part of link, it says this:

    “Note: when totalling all the potential deductions for Advances, Third Party Deductions and Benefit debt – if these exceed 30% of the claimant’s standard allowance, then they are capped at 30% (except for Last Resort Deductions).”

    Again, it doesn’t actually say what the max deduction for these LRD’s actually is… very frustrating, and presumably open to interpretation by whoever sets these deductions as the DWP’s own rules & regs are so woolly. Is this just another example of claimants being at the mercy of a decision maker and the mood the DM is in when making such decisions?

    If way more than 30% can be deducted then it makes no sense whatsoever. What’s the point in making such heavy deductions for rent/Water rates/leccy/gas that a person will be reducing their debts but can’t then afford to eat!!!!
    Actually, maybe that IS the point. You go hungry but at least power companies are getting paid, even if you can’t actually afford any food to cook with their overpriced gas/leccy.

    Sandy

    November 27, 2019 at 7:39 am

  21. These dreadful repayment rates are just another example of targeted cruelty directed at benefits.
    At one point the DWP were going back through people’s historic claim records to see if they had received any Crisis Loans etc. and then just cutting the money to pay it back. There was a unit set up by Duncan Smith operating out of Bristol, to get these repayments back.

    Richard C.

    November 27, 2019 at 12:40 pm

  22. trev

    November 27, 2019 at 12:51 pm

  23. On The Twelfth Day of Christmas,
    Corbyn gave to me,
    One angry Rabbi,
    One dodgy interview,
    And more of the Labour Party

    Garry N.

    November 27, 2019 at 1:11 pm

    • @trev – The Tories don’t see selling the actual contracts and provision of medical services as ‘selling’ the NHS. Because it will still be free to use (for the moment), and still run under the NHS logo.
      But as everyone knows, once the major American health companies get a majority share in the NHS contracts, it will be just like a normal company takeover. They will run it, and own it. No-one seriously believes that they will keep the NHS as a free service.

      Alan Turner

      November 27, 2019 at 2:13 pm

      • Spotted in Ipswich ambulances – can’t remember the company – “in partnership with the NHS”

        Ipswich Spy

        November 27, 2019 at 2:41 pm

      • Probably Uber, the drivers will be on commission only.

        trev

        November 27, 2019 at 2:47 pm

    • Andrew Coates

      November 27, 2019 at 4:48 pm

      • Bit of a damp squib really. The documents are preliminary discussion documents not anywhere near actual agreements approved by the American and British governments. More exploratory than anything else and absolutely not hard evidence that anybody was planning to “sell the NHS” to American business interests. This is dangerous stuff for Labour to resort to because if/when it gets shown not to be factual in the way that Labour claims that it is it makes the party look dishonest, desperate and/or incompetent.

        Titina Mendes

        November 27, 2019 at 7:49 pm

      • Well of course they’re not actual approved agreements, that would only be finalized in the event of Boris’s Brexit deal going through, what these documents show is the groundwork for such agreements, you know, the ones that the Tories say don’t exist and are not being discussed.

        trev

        November 27, 2019 at 8:09 pm

  24. I hope we are not heading for ‘Come All Ye Tories, Joyful and Triumphant .’

    Concerned Labour

    November 27, 2019 at 2:16 pm

    • You can help to ensure against that eventuality by voting Labour and encouraging others to do likewise, and by refraining from sowing the seeds of doubt by posting negative comments.

      trev

      November 27, 2019 at 2:52 pm

      • @trev- It’s all over now really isn’t it ? The Andrew Neil interview was the bitter end for JC.

        Concerned Labour

        November 27, 2019 at 2:59 pm

      • Not at all, but I’m sure that would be the Tory view. But it’s not looking too good for the Tories now that their secret plans to sell the NHS to America have been revealed. On the plus side for Labour today they have received a letter of support from the Rabbinical Executive. Overall things are looking up.

        trev

        November 27, 2019 at 3:33 pm

      • @ trev

        You’re like an ostrich, mate, burying it’d head in the sand rather than facing up to danger. Labour are not only not going to win the general election next month but set to lose DOZENS of seats mostly to the TORIES and mostly because JEREMY CORBYN is leader. Conjuring fantasies about how well we are doing and what we will do when in power when in fact we are drifting away for any chance to wield political power just as Labour did when led by Michael Foot in the early eighties, which kept the Conservatives in power for EIGHTEEN YEARS, isn’t going to help anybody.

        What will you say when Labour suffers its greatest post-war defeat since Michael Foot?

        That Corbyn should remain leader? That one more push will get the party into power? That the thumping defeat was due to the hostile media? That voters were misled and people should have known better?

        Labour are failing the people the party was founded to help by making itself unelectable, sport. That all these people are now going to be doomed to live for up to five years, possibly a lot longer, under the most right-wing Tory cabinet led by the worst and most dishonest Prime Minister in living memory during a time of crises while leaving the EU is the Labour party leadership’s fault.

        Wake up and smell the coffee.

        James

        November 28, 2019 at 7:45 am

      • Contrary to what the biased media are telling you, support for Labour is increasing daily and the Tories are running scared:

        https://voxpoliticalonline.com/2019/11/28/never-mind-the-polls-the-tories-are-terrified-and-boris-johnson-is-running-away-from-scrutiny/

        trev

        November 28, 2019 at 1:21 pm

      • That Corbyn should remain leader? Corbyn has vowed to “fight on”. The troops will re-group and the battle will continue on.

        The Queen and the Soldier

        November 28, 2019 at 9:32 am

    • Or even, ‘ I wish it could be Corbyn Every Day. ‘

      Larry

      November 28, 2019 at 10:43 am

  25. trev

    November 27, 2019 at 5:12 pm

  26. Labour and Corbyn want to be SEEN as HATING Jews. There are many, many people out there who HATE Jews. And it is these votes that Labour and Corbyn are after. Was at a religious festival last Friday and the pro- Labour/Corbyn atmosphere was palpable. Whether the strategy pays off and they garner enough votes to seize power is anyone’s guess.

    Tarqqita

    November 27, 2019 at 6:07 pm

    • What utter nonsense. In case you hadn’t noticed there is a propaganda war raging. The whole “antisemitism is a big problem in the Labour party” myth is simply a smear campaign by the Rightwing. Now you’re suggesting that Labour are trying to gain the votes of the Far Right, that’s ridiculous!

      trev

      November 27, 2019 at 6:19 pm

  27. What do you bet that if it comes to it, the LibDems will snatch victory from Labour by going into Coalition again with the Tories ?

    Frank H.

    November 27, 2019 at 10:48 pm

    • The Tories won’t need any partners; all the numbers point to a double digit majority for Boris Johnson.

      Tim

      November 28, 2019 at 7:30 am

      • The media and polls are lying, support for Labour is increasing every day and the Tories are running scared:

        https://voxpoliticalonline.com/2019/11/28/never-mind-the-polls-the-tories-are-terrified-and-boris-johnson-is-running-away-from-scrutiny/

        trev

        November 28, 2019 at 1:24 pm

      • @ trev

        Almost all of you news and statistics come from proselytising Corbynite blogs. The stats that appear in the media come from independent, unaligned and unaffiliated polling companies whose income depends on the accuracy and reliability of scrupulous data they gather and analyses they carry out using that data.

        And the blogger that own voxpolitical was actually kicked out of the Labour party for his racism with Jeremy Corbyn as party’s leader.

        https://metro.co.uk/2018/02/04/labour-denies-holocaust-denier-let-back-party-7286600/

        I’m sorry, mate, but a lot of what you have written smacks of desperation. I doubt that many who read this blog would welcome a Boris Johnson led government to rule over us for up to five years, but not facing up to the truth and trying to keep the faith with Jezza, an idol to the convinced Labour faithful who seem not to notice that his feet are made of clay, is not going to help matters. We need to wake up, face facts, and keep it real because it’s going to get very real for many, for many years, when Labour loses the general election in a couple of week’s time.

        Statto

        November 29, 2019 at 11:57 am

  28. WHILE USING THIS IPSWICH UNEMPLOYED SITE MY COMPUTER WAS ACCIDENTALLY PATCHED THROUGH TO A DEPARTMENT OF THE CIVIL SERVICE (THE CROWN)

    IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ASK ME WHEN SCRUTINISING MY PERSONAL ACCOUNTS?

    I ALREADY KNOW THAT GCHQ IS CLOSELY MONITORING THIS SITE AND HAVE KNOWN SINCE THE BEGINNING…………..

    TALLY HO CHAPS………

    Sarah7

    November 28, 2019 at 9:49 am

  29. There should have been a Labour song for this campaign. I know Things Can Only Get Better has already been used. But what about an old classic from Alice Cooper ? I Want To Be Elected ?
    Get a bit of drive into the campaign.

    Rod

    November 28, 2019 at 10:47 am

  30. Now I see that Boris Johnson is even prepared to renounce Tory austerity in his efforts to win. He’s pretending that he argued against it ! This is the guile and duplicity that unfortunately Jeremy Corbyn doesn’t have.

    Jeff Smith

    November 28, 2019 at 10:51 am

    • Not only renouncing austerity but claiming that he was never for it. Of course with BoJo everything is more of a case of “lies be thee my truth” and lying about Osborne and Cameron’s austerian agenda is just one more corker of an untruth amongst a lifelong litany of fibs and deceit both colossal and small.

      Telboy

      November 29, 2019 at 11:43 am

  31. “Elected” – Alice Cooper

    I’m your top prime cut of meat, I’m your choice
    I wanna be elected
    I’m your yankee doodle dandy in a gold Rolls Royce
    I wanna be elected
    Kids want a savior, don’t need a fake
    I wanna be elected
    We’re gonna rock to the rules that I make
    I wanna be elected, elected, elected
    I never lied to you, I’ve always been cool
    I wanna be elected
    I gotta get the vote, and I told you about school
    I wanna be elected, elected, elected
    Hallelujah, I wanna be elected
    Everyone in the United States of America
    We’re gonna win this one, take the country by storm
    We’re gonna be elected
    You and me together, young and strong
    We’re gonna be elected, elected, elected
    Respected, selected, call collected
    I wanna be elected, elected

    Lyrical Man

    November 28, 2019 at 10:55 am

  32. Corbyn’s pride is the cause of Labour’s woes. Why couldn’t he just apologise to the Jewish community about the weak response that the Labour leadership made in respect to antisemitism and the huge upset it has caused, for such a very long time, to so many Jewish people in the UK? Why can’t Jezza simply say that he’s sorry and expel antisemitic Labour party members and affiliates from the Labour party instantly? Without hemming and hawing before acting, sometimes for ages, before kicking such undesirables out of the party?

    Why is Corbyn seemingly unable to demonstrate sympathy and humility towards Jews living in Great Britain?

    Is the man really THAT stupid and vain?

    Moses

    November 28, 2019 at 1:42 pm

    • The Labour party enjoys the widespread support of many Jewish people in this country, it is the Right wing Jews who are making (false) allegations of antisemitism because they are either Tories or Zionists, or both. Leftwing Jews don’t get their voices heard by the heavily biased mainstream media. Antisemitism in the Labour party has actually declined under Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership, the rules have been made more robust and some cases are pending, often delayed by legal representation. It is also a fact that there is more antisemitism, and racism as a whole, within the Conservative party than in Labour. It is also an established fact that there is more antisemitism in society in general than in the Labour party. Only yesterday the Labour party received a letter of support from the United Rabbinical Executive of Europe, condemning what they referred to as Political propaganda (particular in regard to Rabbi Mirvis’ emotive and unsubstantiated outburst).

      https://www.thecanary.co/opinion/2019/11/27/the-letter-from-a-rabbi-that-wont-make-the-front-pages-of-most-of-the-mainstream-media/

      https://voxpoliticalonline.com/2019/11/27/chief-rabbis-rant-condemned-as-political-and-ideological-propaganda/

      Furthermore, 200 Left wing Jews signed a public letter of support for the Labour party:

      https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/20/jeremy-corbyn-labour-party-crucial-ally-in-fight-against-antisemitism

      I hope this satisfies your misplaced concerns.

      trev

      November 28, 2019 at 2:11 pm

      • @Trev- If that is true then why did the Chief Rabbi make such a passionate denounciation of Corbyn’s Labour Party and its policies towards Jews. Is he mistaken as well ? Frankly Trev, all you seem to do is defend Jeremy Corbyn on every single point. This is the Cult Of Corbyn – that everyone else is wrong and he is always right, even when he is wrong. Are you a Corbyn Activist and Momentum member ?
        If Corbyn had any sense he’d apologise for even any perceived anti-semitism. Not sit there refusing to answer. His sympathies for the Palestinians are well known. Now he must give ground to the Jewish community and at least offer some token of regret.

        Tom Sutton

        November 28, 2019 at 4:22 pm

      • Tom, I have explained repeatedly why Mirvis said what he said, and it’s got nothing to do with antisemitism. He is a. Tory, and personal friend of Boris Johnson, he is also a Zionist (i.e. Pro-Israeli State) and is a friend of Netanyahu. Of course he wants to undermine Corbyn and the Labour party. His exploitation of antisemitism to that end is quite despicable. That is why the Rabbinical Executive have dismissed the Chief Rabbi’s statements as “Political propaganda”. It explains all of this in the links i have posted, which you have obviously not bothered to read, or are too stupid to understand (or perhaps you’re a Tory?).

        trev

        November 28, 2019 at 4:36 pm

      • P.S.

        In answer to your question, no I am not a member of Momentum, I am not a member of the Labour party or any other party or political organization. Are you a Tory?

        And, btw, what is so wrong about being pro-Palestinian? Are you pro-Israel? Do you agree with the illegal actions of the Israeli state contrary to International law?

        trev

        November 28, 2019 at 4:46 pm

      • trev

        November 28, 2019 at 6:49 pm

    • Here is one more article that may help to inform your understanding of the situation:

      https://politicsandinsights.org/2019/11/27/united-european-jews-rabbinical-executive-write-to-jeremy-corbyn-dismissing-uk-media-commentary-as-propaganda/

      Perhaps you would now be kind enough to reveal your own Political persuasion, are you a Labour voter/supporter? Are you a Socialist? Would you agree that getting rid of the vile Tory scum is a priority of this election? Or are you a Tory?

      trev

      November 28, 2019 at 2:24 pm

    • And should you need it here is yet another article that should explain to you why Jeremy Corbyn has nothing to apologise for:

      https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/smoke-without-fire-the-myth-of-a-labour-antisemitism-crisis/

      trev

      November 28, 2019 at 2:54 pm

  33. @Trev – There is nothing to ‘understand’ about Jeremy Corbyn. It would be more to the point if Corbyn admitted the Labour Party has a serious problem with anti-semitism.
    Jeremy Corbyn needs to take a strong lead in this. He needs to start acting like a potential Prime Minister.
    Not some protest politician and professional contrarian. The Andrew Neil interview was every bit as bad as Prince Andrews. Corbyn can’t there stone-faced and do nothing on this issue. He must apologise, and then do something about anti-semitism.

    Frank Taylor

    November 28, 2019 at 4:30 pm

    • He has nothing to apologise for, Labour does not have a “serious problem with antisemitism”. Haven’t you read any of the links I posted? For verification purposes, so that I know you are not Tory, would you agree with the following statement; the primary objective of this election is to get rid of the Tories. Yes or no.

      trev

      November 28, 2019 at 4:41 pm

  34. @Moses – ‘ When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom .’ Proverbs 11:2

    Ezekiel

    November 28, 2019 at 4:37 pm

  35. trev

    November 28, 2019 at 4:55 pm

  36. John McDonnell: “I am really sorry for the way we handled anti-Semitism initially”

    Gordon C.

    November 28, 2019 at 5:27 pm

    • @Gordon – This is exactly why many people think John McDonnell should have been leader, and not Jeremy Corbyn.

      Tom Sutton

      November 28, 2019 at 5:31 pm

  37. Andrew Coates

    November 28, 2019 at 5:36 pm

    • Of course it’s Class War, there’s no other words for it, the Tories have been waging the most brutal Class War against us since day one.

      trev

      November 28, 2019 at 6:57 pm

  38. Jeremy Corbyn sets a record by scoring a never before seen historically low, -61% opinion rating.

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Jeremy_Corbyn

    Thanks Jeremy!

    Statto

    November 28, 2019 at 5:42 pm

    • Analysis of the polls is wrong and misleading, Labour support is increasing daily whilst Tory support is falling:

      https://beastrabban.wordpress.com/2019/11/28/dont-believe-the-media-propaganda-tory-lead-in-polls-is-falling/

      trev

      November 28, 2019 at 6:53 pm

      • @trev – But these are just left-wing media who already support Corbyn.

        Tom Sutton

        November 28, 2019 at 7:26 pm

      • Whilst the people in the mainstream media outlets are anti-Corbyn and their take on things is distributed by Tory trolls, Rightwingers, Blairites and assorted fuckwits. The analysis in the article was provided by a GP called Dr. Richard Cook, aka drmoderate, if you have issues with his analysis take it up with him.

        trev

        November 28, 2019 at 7:39 pm

  39. “privilege”?! Wow, and a “democracy”?
    Oh, well lets all bow to the king.
    Well, I suppose if the elites that run this “democracy” hadn’t
    created this “privileged democracy” for us serfs to have to work round the clock
    for overtaxed low pay to attain goods that are overpriced
    Then yeah, maybe we could go do jury duty without worry the kids get fed or the bills are paid.
    Unfortunately we have to pay for cheaply made overpriced vehicles and homes that may be paid off just before you die.
    Everything is always juuust out of reach for the average serf, I mean worker.
    You know why?
    Its designed that way, to keep you busy, because if you ever found out the truth about these elites that run this “democracy” and how this “privilege” word is just another way of making you seem important or make a difference when in reality its enslavement to a system that you will NEVER win in.
    Wake the hell up people, you aint free! Wake up before its too late!

    Sally the Serf

    November 28, 2019 at 7:28 pm

  40. As I told Comrade Boris earlier, we are not going to interfere in the British Elections. There is nothing we could do that would be better than the British have done to themselves.
    Or as we say in Russia, ‘ Why chase the bear when there is already a wasp’s nest in his cave ? ‘

    Colonel Stanislaus Vashinski

    November 29, 2019 at 1:40 pm


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