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As Country faces Brexit Chaos “Managed Migration” of Claimants into Universal Credit Mayhem continues.

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Looks Sinister – it is.

The migration of all claimants onto the chaotic and unfair Universal credit system continues.


Not that you’d notice that much is happening from Amber Rudd’s latest statements.


The social security benefit changes that will force you on to Universal Credit

Birmingham Mail.

Universal Credit edges closer for thousands of people who are unemployed and on low income as managed migration means these existing benefits are phased out.

Key section:

What if you’re receiving one of those old benefits already?

If you’re already on Housing Benefit, Jobseeker’s Allowance or one of the other legacy benefits, then you will eventually end up on Universal Credit.

There are two ways this will happen.

The first way is called natural migration. It means you are moved across to Universal Credit if your circumstances change – such as starting or leaving work, a partner moving in or out of your home after a relationship begins or ends, having a child, or changing address.

When your situation changes, your existing benefits are stopped and you will be put on Universal Credit instead.

The second way is called managed migration. This will switch across the remaining two million people on legacy benefits even though their circumstances have not changed.

It has started to happen with a pilot scheme in Harrogate that began at the end of July 2019. That will see up to 10,000 people – more likely 3,000 to 5,000 people, according to latest estimates – transferred to Universal Credit.

In the case of this managed migration, the DWP is offering transitional protection – this means it will top up the Universal Credit payouts so they aren’t lower than the existing benefits these people already receive.

And this is when the managed migration is expected to be finished – that means everyone on one of the old benefits will instead be receiving Universal Credit by then.

More information:

Benefit Changes Timetable – Benefit Changes Timetable 2019

This guide will provide information on the Benefit Changes Timetable.

Written by Andrew Coates

August 30, 2019 at 10:26 am

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  1. Why isn’t Jeremy Corbyn blocking the roads over Universal Credit?


    August 30, 2019 at 11:19 am

    • Because he doesn’t have a viable alternative to UC, that’s why.


      August 30, 2019 at 11:47 am

      • He doesn’t have a viable alternative to anything. Jezza is only good for rabble-rousing. Worse than useless!

        Pea Soup

        August 30, 2019 at 11:59 am

      • That’s why Corbyn couldn’t get anyone else to consider him as caretaker Prime Minister. There was no way any of the other people in the anti-Brexit group were going to let him sneak into being PM by the back door.
        There is only one way forward for Labour. #Progress

        Peter Farleigh

        August 30, 2019 at 3:14 pm

    • Don’t ask me I just do what the Illuminati Grand Masters tell me to do.

      Andrew Coates

      August 30, 2019 at 12:32 pm

      • We consider you our son, Andrew, our son in whom we are well pleased.

        Most Puissant Sovereign and Grand Commander of the Illumined Order of the Rose and Cross

        August 30, 2019 at 4:01 pm

  2. How Universal Credit rollout means you could be paying more council tax in Gloucester.

    Some residents in Gloucester could pay more council tax next year because the roll-out of Universal Credit is hitting the city council’s finances, and it needs to support those not so well off.

    Under proposals residents are being consulted on, a minimum payment of council tax could be set up to end additional costs caused by Britain’s main welfare benefit, Universal Credit.

    Universal Credit is a benefit for working-age people, replacing six benefits and merging them into one payment, and is designed to make claiming benefits simpler.

    Gloucester City Council has a council tax support scheme – meant to support low income working age households – which hasn’t been reviewed since 2013.

    The scheme, which provides financial assistance to those on low incomes who pay council tax, costs the authority £6.5million a year and supports 8,194 local households.

    According to the city council, Universal Credit customers may have the amount they receive reviewed each month meaning the number of changes the authority has to make to residents’ support scheme rises triggering an increase in costs.

    The consultation, which ends on September 20, said: “As government funding continues to decrease, we need to strike a balance between a revised scheme that is fair and affordable for those who receive support, and also for all city residents who receive council services.”

    The proposal to start a minimum payment of council tax is one of seven being put forward to residents.


    Andrew Coates

    August 30, 2019 at 12:31 pm

  3. if we get out of europe like we will get out of universal credit like?


    August 30, 2019 at 12:41 pm

    • Probably not but we will be able to have bendy bananas.


      August 30, 2019 at 2:30 pm

      • The EU doesn’t straighten bananas or prevent the import of bendy bananas, sport.

        Cats miaow and bananas are bendy – have always been bendy.

        Stop messin’ about.

        Canaan Banana

        August 30, 2019 at 4:06 pm

  4. “Universal Credit could be scrapped as General Election looms.”


    This article claims that Labour intends to scrap Universal Credit if it wins the next general election.


    August 30, 2019 at 2:29 pm

    • @Jim – Labour are once again avoiding the key issue here. When is Jeremy Corbyn going to stand down as Leader of the Labour Party ?

      Jeff Smith

      August 30, 2019 at 3:01 pm

      • This is Jeremy Corbyn’s last chance to help the Labour Party. He must now resign, for the good of the membership. #Progress


        August 30, 2019 at 3:09 pm

      • He isn’t of course which pretty much guarantees that Labour WON’T be elected to power with a majority as things stand.

        Jeremy Corbyn isn’t a bad man so much as a very average common-to-garden man nowhere bright enough or accomplished enough to run a country. You can see this with his behaviour with Universal Credit. He says he would scrap or reform it, depending on the day, but seems to have no idea or plan how to change it to make it better or what to replace it with. It would be much better if he did the right thing stepping down and retiring to the back benches where he could protest about everything under the sun as loudly as he liked without doing anybody any harm.

        That said I wouldn’t put it beyond Boris Johnson and his cabinet of kiss-arses, torture artists and loons to screw things up so spectacularly that even dull-witted old Jezza might end up with a chance of at least having a sniff of power as part of a minority government.

        If Labour had a better leader surrounded by better people the Conservatives would be toast.

        Sadly as is Labour is steadily slowly losing support which the party looks very unlikely to win back.


        August 30, 2019 at 3:56 pm

      • Momentum must be disbanded, Corbyn and McDonnell must both resign. The Labour Party publish an official apology for being so pathetic and useless. Then the party must return to the centre ground.

        Blue Labour

        August 31, 2019 at 10:06 am

    • If Labour had done something to oppose Universal Credit in the first place, instead of spinelessly voting for the Welfare Reform Act in 2012, we wouldn’t be in this position today. At this point Labour will promise anything, as the party heads towards election disaster. And they know it.

      Henry D.

      August 30, 2019 at 3:38 pm

      • Bashing benefit claimants was in vogue then and Miliband didn’t want to look too soft, afraid to lose votes.


        September 1, 2019 at 6:22 pm

    • @Jim – Yeah scrap it after it is too late !! After 8 Million people are trapped on it. The costs of starting this Universal Credit crap have been enormous. And so would the costs of scrapping it and re-transferring 8 Million people back to… what ? Corbyn Credit ? Jeremy Benefit ? Has the mastermind of Labour policy costed any of this out ?


      August 30, 2019 at 4:40 pm

      • It would be very difficult and hugely expensive to unpick Universal Credit now, so deeply has it embedded himself locally and nationally. I have no idea what Labour would replace it with and nor does Jezza as far as I can see. It’s more likely that UC would be modified to make it less damaging, e.g., getting rid of the five week waiting period and allowing the housing cost portion of it to be paid to landlords directly if claimants opt for it and such like. It’s taken six years to get UC to where it is now and would probably take longer to get rid of it which would require two parliaments at least and cost billions. My bet is that whoever forms the next government after the next general election will keep UC and water down its more poisonous bits because the cost and effort in ditching it and introducing something completely different would cost too much in time in money.

        As the the UN’s special rapporteur the evils of Universal Credit are there by choice not necessity and that UC could be made hugely better and more humane without costing that much if the government of the day had the will.

        I believe that, unfortunately, like a cancer UC has spread too far now to be cut out of the body politic.


        August 30, 2019 at 5:57 pm

      • That’s true. UC is now deeply integrated with the computer systems, software and procedures of DWP, HMRC and every local single authority in the UK. It’s involved with collecting income tax, national insurance, council tax locally and payment of benefits to claimant plus all the scrutiny and conditionality cr@p inflicted on certain categories by Jobcentres. Billions and billions have been spent hiring and training staff as well as hardware and development of software. Like a cancer that has spread throughout the body getting rid of UC would be bloody expensive and very difficult, so much so that it probably won’t happen. The best we can look forward to is an improved version of this monster. If that.

        Martin of the Thirteenth Look

        August 31, 2019 at 9:00 am

  5. Managed Migration be damned ! They mean people being forced onto Universal Credit, without any choice at all.

    Alan Turner

    August 30, 2019 at 3:05 pm

    • Somebody truly has the knack for these expressions, mind you nothing beats Coachy – Work Coaches.

      Andrew Coates

      August 30, 2019 at 4:42 pm

  6. I know what I’m going to do with my Managed Migration notice !!

    Dave Blunt

    August 30, 2019 at 3:07 pm

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    August 30, 2019 at 4:11 pm

  8. You have the greetings of The Inner Council, Andrew. May the eye of Horus be upon you.

    Inner Council Of The Illuminati

    August 30, 2019 at 4:12 pm

  9. Your Good Work will be well rewarded, Andrew. We are most proud of our Son.

    High Priestess of the High Order of the Most Divine Knights Templar

    August 30, 2019 at 4:15 pm

  10. Reblogged this on Tory Britain!.


    August 30, 2019 at 4:16 pm

  11. I didn’t know Andrew was in the Illuminati, explains quite a lot though. We’ve had some high level contributors on here.

    Paul Sandford

    August 30, 2019 at 4:16 pm

    • Donald Trump, Angela Merkel….. they don’t just post on any ordinary blog. It just shows its who you know, and who knows you. If you know what I mean…


      August 30, 2019 at 4:22 pm

    • Andrew is far too modest to admit it – but I think he is no newcomer to the path of esoteric knowledge.


      August 30, 2019 at 4:34 pm

      • I urge you to exercise the forth power of the sphinx and restrict thy pen, brother. This profane arena is not the place to discuss sacred mysteries. In the lodge, beneath the all-seeing eye of the Great Architect of the Universe, I will greet thee on the square with a word and embrace but not here.

        Silentium est aureum.

        Hiram Abiff

        August 31, 2019 at 7:47 am

  12. I have a sinking feeling that Boris Johnson is going to get some sort of last minute Brexit deal. Then he is going to be a Conservative Party hero.

    Political Seer

    August 30, 2019 at 4:31 pm

    • But how does he get it past the House of Commons because they will just vote it down for the Hell of it even if the EU give Boris the Moon and the stars. If Boris tries to slip in a BRINO (Brexit Really in Name Only) he and the Tories will be toast. And if he dilly-dallies with another extension he will be on the barbeque. He could call a General Election. If he won it and cleared the House of Commons of Remainers he could get some sort of ‘deal’ through.

      Whatever happens all this talk of the army on the streets, food shortages, cancer patients dying from lack of medicines is a load old hogwash.

      Jezza better home the anti-Brexit demos don’t kick off. If they become violent Jezza will be even more unelectable than he currently is – if that is even possible. Is Jezza even a serious politician or is just riding the gravy train? For an anti-capitalist he is reportedly worth a few £million.

      Politcal Commentator

      August 30, 2019 at 6:11 pm

    • The only way to put Brexit to bed is to do what the electorate wrote on the tin i.e. Leave the EU. Anything else it will rumble on forever. If we Remain and the EU ‘punish’ the EU for trying to escape and to encourager les autres it will really flare up. Like a boil Brexit has to be lanced – however painful it may be.


      August 30, 2019 at 6:21 pm

      • Only 4% more people in the EU referendum voted to leave than remain after a campaign of lies. With such a once in a lifetime existential decision after everything that has gone on it shouldn’t be left to a proven liar of a Prime Minister, elected by 130,000 Tory party members with no mandate from the British people, who has suspended parliament in order to stifle debate, to take us out of the European Union without a deal or indeed for that matter at all. We need a general election and/or a second referendum and if the people still want it then we, all of us, will suffer our fate for the rest of our lifetimes.


        August 30, 2019 at 9:12 pm

      • If there was a second referendum and the result was again a vote for Leave as a committed Remoanic you wouldn’t accept the result anyway “because we live in a democracy”. 😀

        And if the boot was on the other foot and Remain had won you can bet your bottom dollar that you wouldn’t be trotting out your wafer-thin watery arguments. YOU LOST! 😀 GET OVER IT! 😀


        August 30, 2019 at 9:54 pm

      • Parliament is never going to approve Brexit in any way, shape of form. Better just to shut up shop and save all that hot air going to waste.

        Miss Molly

        August 31, 2019 at 4:00 am

      • Brexit hasn’t happened yet but if its does, especially without any transitional arrangements at the behest of an illegitimate government, you will be sorry. I say this joylessly because I don’t want anybody, especially the poor and struggling, to suffer the backlash if/when it happens. So many people are rushing headlong innocent of the future they mistakenly believe will be so bright. It won’t. Might as well erase the “Great” from “Great Britain” now to save time later.


        August 31, 2019 at 7:41 am

      • @ Kinky

        That’s true. The referendum was swung by a mere 4% which makes it ridiculous when Brexiteers go on about the 17.4 million who voted for it as if this signals overwhelming support to leave the EU by any available means. It doesn’t; the win was actually wafer thin.

        Martin of the Thirteenth Look

        August 31, 2019 at 9:10 am

      • £4.00 for 4 pink lady apples. Outrageous! I that isn’t enough reason to get to Hell out of the EU, what is?

        Mrs Sharples

        August 31, 2019 at 10:37 am

      • £4.00 for 4 pink lady apples. Outrageous! If that isn’t enough reason to get to Hell out of the EU, what is?

        Mrs Sharples

        August 31, 2019 at 10:38 am

      • That’s the CAP (Common Agricultural Policy) in action. The EU is not about cheaper food prices. In fact, food prices soared the moment we entered the Common Market. Landowners and the likes of Iain Duncan Smith do very well from the CAP. The price of fruit and vegetables should be dirt cheap like it was in pre-EU Eastern Europe. No wonder the UK has an obesity epidemic. But if the Remoaniacs want to continue to be gouged for an apple then fair enough. It’s your funeral.


        August 31, 2019 at 10:50 am

      • And having lived in Germany when they joined the Euro I can tell you that food prices soared over there they moment they joined the Euro. And look who was banging the drum trying to con the UK into joining the Euro. The same vested interests who are banging the EU drum. Thank goodness the UK had the good sense not to join Schengen too or we would be toast.


        August 31, 2019 at 10:55 am

      • The providers have made a mint out the European Social Fund though 😉


        August 31, 2019 at 12:09 pm

      • @ Mrs Sharples- Perhaps if you tried buying your apples at someplace other than Harrods, you might be able to get them cheaper.


        September 2, 2019 at 3:09 pm

    • Can’t see how that is going to happen with the EU requesting new ideas and alternatives from the UK, when the current government seems completely out of their depth and astonishingly clueless.

      Martin of the Thirteenth Look

      August 31, 2019 at 9:03 am

    • @Political Seer, Yes this is very likely. The EU were adamant that there would be no changes to the deal. But already they are discussing alternatives. These were not supposed even to exist when Theresa May was PM. Boris might well be able to force something out of them at the eleventh hour. This is what he is counting on. No-one really wants a ‘disorderly exit’, it would cause significant problems for Europe as well as for the UK.

      Jack Reid

      August 31, 2019 at 10:03 am

      • The backlash from the UK exiting the EU with no-deal would be dispersed and shared amongst the 26 countries in the EU whereas the UK will suffer its ill effects alone. The UK would come off very much worse than any EU member.


        August 31, 2019 at 10:42 am

      • The EU wants to UK’s money, The UK is a net contributor to the EU and always has been. It costs the UK billions to be a member of the EU. DWP ‘providers’, landowners, academic institutions who live off of EU grants etc. do well but the consumer pays through the nose in higher food prices etc. It is just because the UK consumer is so used to being gouged and doesn’t know any different. It is not good for your health and life expectancy either leaving the good stuff on the shelf and stuffing your face with junk just because you can’t afford. The EU has been detrimental to the living standards of the poor and working-class of the UK.


        August 31, 2019 at 11:04 am

      • What Brexit trade deal with Trump could look like – food with rat droppings, maggots and mould
        US producers are allowed one maggot per 250mm of orange juice and 30 insect fragments in a 100g jar of peanut butter, according to a report.

        The Mirror.

        “Noddles infested with rat hair, insects in chocolates and orange juice complete with maggots – these are just some of the fears of what a post- Brexit trade deal with the US could bring.

        Producers in the States stick to a ‘Defects Levels Handbook’ which sets out the maximum number of ‘foreign bodies’ that can be in food products on the market, according to reports.

        This reportedly outlines that a 25-gram jar of paprika can have 11 rodent hairs in it.

        Up to 30 insect fragments are ‘acceptable’ in a 100g jar of peanut butter.

        And for each pound of ginger, 3mg of mammalian excreta (rat or mouse droppings) would reportedly pass the test.”


        Andrew Coates

        August 31, 2019 at 12:13 pm

      • Being a member of the EU has made the UK more prosperous because as the only English speaking country in the EU with a reputation for the rule of law, honesty and democracy… now blown to buggery by Boris Johnson… the country became a magnet for inward investment from overseas by businesses who want to sell products and services to EU countries without crippling tariffs. London was, well, still is at the moment the financial and legal centre of the EU, with the activities of the city raising billions and billions of pounds for the Exchequer in corporate taxation and direct taxation on the people working in the city. The UK gained far more via trade with the EU and countries outside the EU who had negotiated trade deals with the EU which the UK benefited from than its subscriptions cost. If you think that leaving the progressive European Union for home rule by the Conservatives will make the lives of Britain’s poor and working-class more tolerable and better you seriously are barking up the wrong tree.

        Just wait and see what happens when we have to trade with the rest of the world, including our most proximate neighbours in the EU, on bloody awful World Trade Organisation terms and exactly how much better off that will make us.

        That’s the only really good thing about this mess: The people responsible will have to carry the can.

        Boris Johnson will be remembered by history.

        (In much the same way as Anthony Eden or Lord North I bet you.)


        August 31, 2019 at 11:56 am

      • It is true that the City of London is awash with money. But what about the rest of the UK, those on benefits, universal credit, zero hour contracts, those of us who face paying £4.00 for 4 pink lady apples? Or this this Maggies Thatcher’s ‘trickle down economics’ you propose?


        August 31, 2019 at 12:04 pm

      • @Bee- Even so, that’s still a lot of backlash for our continental friends to deal with. They don’t really want a no-deal exit.

        Graham D.

        August 31, 2019 at 12:15 pm

      • lol it’s our old friend *could* again 😀

        Felicity de Villiers

        August 31, 2019 at 12:19 pm

      • Of course they don’t Graham D. They want to keep the status quo, leave things they way they are because it suits and benefits them. The same goes for all the other Remoaniacs.


        August 31, 2019 at 12:23 pm

      • None of the things you are complaining about are down to the EU, but to the failure of successive British governments for not spending on infrastructure and investing properly in the regions! That’s set to continue with knobs on as business and commerce move away from London and we lose the wealth that the capital once generated for the country. The UK looks set to be worse off after any conceivable Brexit.


        Just like the British the EU know that Boris is a liar and a cheat and so are not going to believe anything he says or trust him to keep his word about any issue whatsoever. The outcome for Boris Johnson if we crash-out of the EU with no-deal without gently disentangling ourselves from the EU and settling matters properly will be very bad for him personally and the rest of us nationally, which gives me no joy whatsoever because I care more about accelerating national decline than Boris Johnson’s already non-existent reputation. And a no-deal Brexit looks more and more likely to be about to happen almost by accident. The mind boggles. Our small island nation cast adrift, estranged from twenty-six of its nearest neighbours whom together constitute the greatest single market that the world have ever known, a market that every country in the whole wide word is desperate to gain access to and trade with on favourable terms, with a collective GDP rivalling that of North America, leaving Great Britain overnight subject to threat and manipulation from countries the UK will suddenly become desperate to strike deals with, as a matter of national survival, forgetting the old adage that when you are forced to negotiate from a position of weakness that beggars can’t be choosers.

        Anyway: There’s no point going on about it since the die looks as if it has been cast.

        It’s not all doom and gloom however and I really am going to thoroughly enjoy seeing the smirks wiped off the faces of the likes of BoJo, Rees-Mogg and similar types, even though it’s pretty certain that individually and nationally the poor will be poorer and life for the struggling and the needy will become even harder in leaps and bounds. Does anybody think that the Tories, free from any progressive influence from Europe, are going to be kinder, more sympathetic and more humane to such people than they have been in the past? Do the poor and needy really believe that once out of the EU the Conservative government will save them? Give them a fairer crack of the whip?

        I’d brace myself, grit my teeth and think of England if I were you.


        August 31, 2019 at 12:37 pm

      • Indeed! There is no point in bothering about it. What will be will be. We will just have to deal with whatever shit that is thrown at us if at when it comes. It is out of our control. Let the games commence.

        President Snow

        August 31, 2019 at 12:45 pm

  13. If we are leaving Europe can we have our Imperial Measures back ?


    August 30, 2019 at 4:57 pm

    • Gie ‘im an inch, an he’ll tak an ell

      Andrew Coates

      August 30, 2019 at 5:25 pm

    • The inch…the foot…the noble yard. The ancient measures our forefathers knew. Let us abandon all these metrical ideas. Grams and kilograms, metres and litres. Let us drink our native ale in pints. And weigh the produce of our British fields in pounds and in ounces.


      August 31, 2019 at 12:29 pm

      • I miss the shekel and the cubit. Ah! Them were the days. Good times.


        August 31, 2019 at 2:27 pm

      • @Jerusalem, that quite brought a tear to my eyes.

        Octavia Ashby-Thornton

        September 1, 2019 at 3:01 pm

  14. I don’t know why someone cannot simply opt into EU Citizenship if they want too.The far right extremists’ took grip here, it didn’t take hold elsewhere and was simply seen as a quick vote winner here and a similar theme in the US rather then common sence of reason and they exploited that theme.

    Every country has its sence of nationalism,its an important sense of identity,standing and contribution through its exports’ and business also.However all we’ve seen here is total failure offering nothing but rhetoric a collapsing economy with no future direction at least not publically nothing to say the complete and utter contempt of any argument or rightful debate.


    August 30, 2019 at 7:16 pm

  15. DWP’s new line-up of JobCentre changes – these are the branches affected

    Several more branches relocated to larger ones as part of efforts to make the service more efficient

    Several more jobcentre branches are set to be merged over the next few months as part of a DWP shake-up, despite ongoing Universal Credit failures.

    The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) said more centres will be closed and instead relocated to new premises nearby.

    In previous comments, the DWP explained the cuts will save more than £140million a year over the next decade, and will offer better ‘value for the tax payer’.



    August 30, 2019 at 7:31 pm

    • But more hardship and difficulty for the claimants, who will have to pay additional travel costs to go and sign-on. Money that will further reduce their benefits.

      Tom Sutton

      August 31, 2019 at 9:56 am

      • I notice the claimants are not asked what they think about their local Jobcentre closing ? Even though the next nearest one might be 30 miles away. How are they supposed to get there for 9am – walk it through the night ?


        August 31, 2019 at 12:34 pm

      • Don’t people located miles away from Jobcentres sign-on over the phone? Or has that been stopped? Surely if you’re more than a sensible walking distance away from you Jobcentre, you can get the price of your travel there and back refunded can’t you? If you can’t that’s a blooming raw deal and then some!


        August 31, 2019 at 4:36 pm

  16. There are currently 35 million empty bedrooms in the UK, and 73% of owner occupied homes now have 2 or more empty rooms.

    That is 35 million bedrooms that should be going to immigrants. If you have a spare bedroom in should be sequestrated and given to immigrants. That is millions of more doctors, scientists that the UK so desperately need. A policy of freeing up spare bedrooms would give the economy a massive boost. If you have a spare bedroom you must give it up to immigrants. What say you Corbyn an McDonnell?

    Policy Research Institute

    August 31, 2019 at 2:50 am

  17. There are currently 35 million empty bedrooms in the UK, and 73% of owner occupied homes now have 2 or more empty rooms.

    That is 35 million bedrooms that should be going to immigrants. If you have a spare bedroom it should be sequestrated and given to immigrants. That is millions of more doctors, scientists and engineers that the UK so desperately needs. A policy of freeing up spare bedrooms would give the economy a massive boost. If you have a spare bedroom you must give it up to immigrants. What say you Corbyn and McDonnell?

    Policy Research Institute

    August 31, 2019 at 2:52 am

    • This idea was floated recently on the BBC drama Years and Years. It wasn’t introduced by Labour in the drama but by the xenophobic right-wing populist dictator Vivienne Rook. (Supposedly based on Nigel Farage.) It’s still available on iPlayer. Everything but the technology was very believable and the acting was very good.


      August 31, 2019 at 7:34 am

      • Holy Smoke, Yorick! That is the BBC floating the trial balloon, getting the idea out there, testing the water, per-programming the populace until like with the bedroom tax and universal credit it becomes the new normal. You can see PM Farage doing something like that because that is what politicians are like.


        August 31, 2019 at 11:11 am

      • Yes. It was called the “Bedroom Law” in the Years and Years series. Very good series it was. Check it out via the link below:



        August 31, 2019 at 2:25 pm

    • Having to fork out for the bedroom tax is bad enough. Would this mean we would be exempt from the bedroom tax or still have to fork out for it? If given the choice I would rather keep paying the bedroom tax though. I couldn’t be doing with strangers living in my home, Hope this never comes to pass.

      Elsie from Huddersfield

      August 31, 2019 at 11:42 am

  18. And what about our British Cod in the case of No-Deal Bexit ?


    August 31, 2019 at 12:42 pm

    • We keep it all. But the Spanish have already said that they will take it anyway. Supposedly a handful of fishing families will do well in a no deal Brexit.

      Captain Birdseye

      August 31, 2019 at 12:52 pm

    • If we’d won the cod war with Iceland we’d have plenty of cod. Damn Spanish coming over here having it away with our cod when we’ve stopped robbing the Icelanders of theirs and here’s us, a proud nation, forced to import 90% of our cod from Iceland and from Norwegian and Russian boats fishing in the Barents Sea. There ain’t no justice at sea I’m a tellin’ you.

      Findus Young

      August 31, 2019 at 2:40 pm

      • Well why can’t we just buy Iceland and then have plenty of cod; it would be good for Iceland and good for us. The place is mostly made of frozen water isn’t it and so we could probably mortgage a place like that pretty cheap. Let’s do it!

        Sven Larson

        August 31, 2019 at 4:33 pm

      • I do a lot of my shopping at Iceland. I don’t know about their cod but their prices on other things are really competitive.


        September 1, 2019 at 7:53 am

      • We ain’t got enough cod? Not good… not good. But we’ve got a shitload of nukes doing nothing. Then let’s invade Iceland and take it over for nothing or turn the Icelander’s island into a pane of glass with out nukes. Let’s make ’em an offer that they can’t refuse and do the same to the UK when they’re out from beneath the wing of the EU and vulnerable. Hell! I’ve already got Boris Johnson bent over and made him my bitch ready to take it any way I dish it out.

        D. J. Trump., Esq.

        September 1, 2019 at 10:05 am


      Namor the Sub-Mariner

      September 1, 2019 at 6:27 pm

  19. In just one day’s time, a single rat can produce 50 half-inch droppings – that’s over two feet of coverage per rat !


    August 31, 2019 at 1:19 pm

  20. Eighty-one economists when polled calculate that the UK will be bad or worse.


    When they crucify Boris Johnson I hope they sell tickets.

    Sarff of the River

    August 31, 2019 at 4:47 pm

  21. Universal Credit: What happened when we tried living off an emergency food bank parcel

    No bread and no fresh food – this is how what happened

    On average, 12 months after roll out, food banks see a 52% increase in demand, compared to 13% in areas where Universal Credit has been in place for three months or less.

    This shows that the longer people are living on the benefit system, the more likely they are to be forced to use the food bank to provide for themselves and their families.


    Its like living on rations’.We’re just kicked around like a football.


    August 31, 2019 at 7:11 pm

    • What an utter prick the author of that article is. No bread, no fresh fruit and veg, no meat, no dairy products. The author lives off juice, water, tiny portions of unsweetened porridge, pasta with nothing but a minuscule amount of sauce and a fucking can of Heinz spaghetti for lunch and reckons he’s been well fed. Then proceeds to boast about how easy it was and how satisfied (yeah, right) he was with the food, and ‘oh look how much food I’ve still got left’. Along with the obligatory lecture to the masses about how anyone can live on such a limited budget if only they try hard enough, the implication being that the poor should put up with this shit and be grateful.

      What’s the betting that when he returned the unused food to the food bank this twat ‘recommended’ they cut back on the amount of food they give out?


      September 2, 2019 at 1:42 am

      • The government says that you need to eat five portions of fresh fruit and vegetables to be healthy. No one on benefits can do that regularly, not least because raw vegetables have to be cooked, which uses energy, which costs money. There’s more to food and diet than ingredients alone. If benefits are insufficient to allow people to eat five portions of fruit and fresh vegetables every day, day in and day out, people are not being nourished in the manner that the government recommends and the government is preventing citizens from following its own advice.


        September 2, 2019 at 6:23 am

      • It is now up to 7 a day as a minimum. Someone commented on here that they were being asked for £4 for 4 pink lady apples. That probably isn’t even 4 out of your 5….7…whatever a day. It is really just something that people joke about: “Have you had you 5 a day? 😀 ” “No 😀 ” We all know that 5 a day is unaffordable if you are on unemployment benefits.

        Fanny Craddock

        September 2, 2019 at 9:07 am

      • The price of fruit and vegetables in the UK is through the roof. We all know that the prices are kept artificially high by a certain 2 letter organization that begins with E and ends with U. When we lived in a country in Eastern Europe beginning with a P and ending in D (before them joining the EU. We even remember Tusk’s? face plastered over the “Jesteem Europa” posters. Our friends over there all voted to not to join “because the poor are always exploited”. Anyway, you could pig out on cherries, blueberries, pink lady apples… massive jars of honey were dirt cheap. It was unhealthy food, cakes etc., that was more expensive. Chocolate was even smuggled in. But still a lot cheaper than in the UK. The point is that getting your 5 a day should be dirt cheap. We are being shafted.

        The Jones

        September 2, 2019 at 9:20 am

      • We would only ever by pink lady apples when we win the lottery or summat.

        Sheila from Barnsley

        September 2, 2019 at 9:33 am

      • It is hard to imagine that there won’t be shortages. If we drop out of the EU and it’s borders snap up, their tariffs start getting charged, and haulage slows right down the supply chains will end up broken and deliveries slowed to a standstill. We import about 30% of our food from the EU, a lot of it perishable, and other things that must be delivered even more quickly like radioactive isotopes (used to treat diseases like cancer) and active vaccines (which have a very short life). Overall more than half of our imports come from the EU and all of our best and most efficient companies don’t warehouse large quantities of materials, parts and/or other kinds of stock needed to keep their businesses running meaning that they will have to stop production and/or close temporarily if deliveries begin to be delayed and/or interrupted which they will without and shadow of a doubt.

        If we don’t suffer ill effects I will vote Conservative in the next general election because on geniuses gifted with second sight would be ab to foresee every difficulty ahead, after leaving the EU, and have plans ready to be put place to overcome every single one of them.

        There will absolutely and certainly be many difficulties to weather if we leave the EU without a deal.

        Hopefully the number of premature deaths which result will be minimal.


        September 2, 2019 at 11:06 am

      • @ Fanny Craddock-

        Pink Lady apples do not cost four fucking quid for four. A Google search shows Waitrose (not exactly a cheap place to shop) are currently selling them at 2.50 for four. Not exactly cheap, but still. This person claiming 4 quid for 4 apples must be buying the gold leaf embellished ones from Fortnum and Mason, or something. Either that or it’s one of the right wing Tory trolls on here who all posting under a variety of different names to make them look more numerous than they are, and whom Andrew Coates appears unable or unwilling to do anything about.


        September 2, 2019 at 2:59 pm

      • @ The Jones-

        Got any evidence for your claim that the EU are to blame for high prices on fruit and veg? Nope, thought not. I can find plenty that claims the prices will rise when we leave the EU though.


        September 2, 2019 at 3:04 pm

    • 3 days is a nonsense. You can fast easily for 3 days i.e. eat nowt and owt will happen. This is as bad as those MPs who live on the dole for a week. They always start up with the meter fully topped up and the food cupboards and fridge fully stocked. Likewise with ‘how much do you spend on food?’ to get an accurate result you need conduct these sort of experiments for years. Anyone can live off porridge made with water and no ‘toppings’ or baked beans for a few days, a week, maybe even longer but is is sustainable over the longer-term? Would your health suffer? Or would you need to make adjustments? Broaden your food range? And would it then become more expensive?

      Research Scientist

      September 2, 2019 at 8:58 am

      • I remember a dotty old cow called Lady Olga Maitland, Tory MP during the days of Thatcher, always advising the poor to “eat mince” ignorant of the fact that mince is made from scrap meat not suitable for anything else and was chockablock full of fat! This was why it was cheap to but at the butchers! Incredibly unhealthy to eat on a regular basis leading to a coronary/thrombosis/embolism/stroke in early middle age if you eats fatty food like mince for years and certainly not something that you should feed to children ever. Daft old twat! I wonder how many times anybody in her family eat mince during a meal.


        September 2, 2019 at 11:35 am

      • A lots of parents feed mince to their kids. A lot of parents just feed to their kids what is cheap. But what can you do as a kid? Many of us reading this blog were probably fed on mince and other cheap junk as kids. And a lot of us have been set up for heart attacks and strokes from middle-age onwards. Heart disease can be detected in kids as young as 8. It is saddening and heart-breaking when you see so-called parents feeding their kids what is effectively a waste product not fit for human consumption knowing that their lives are being shortened.. And to make matters worse Jacob Rees Mogg and his fellow toffs have dined on the finest cuts, so by buying this much you are effectively subsidising them. Mince and the rest of the crap really should be banned from sale.


        September 2, 2019 at 2:05 pm

      • Experts are warning about the dangers of “fussy eating” after a 17-year-old suffered irreparable sight loss after living on a diet of chips and crisps.

        Eye doctors in Bristol cared for the young man after his vision had deteriorated to the point of blindness.

        Since leaving primary school, the teen had been eating only French fries, Pringles and white bread, as well as an occasional slice of ham or a sausage.

        Tests revealed he had severe vitamin deficiencies and malnutrition damage.
        Extreme picky eater

        The adolescent, who cannot be named, had seen his GP at the age of 14 because he had been feeling tired and unwell. At that time he was diagnosed with vitamin B12 deficiency and put on supplements, but he did not stick with the treatment or improve his poor diet.

        Three years later, he was taken to the Bristol Eye Hospital because of progressive sight loss, Annals of Internal Medicine journal reports.

        Dr Denize Atan, who treated him at the hospital, said: “His diet was essentially a portion of chips from the local fish and chip shop every day. He also used to snack on crisps – Pringles – and sometimes slices of white bread and occasional slices of ham, and not really any fruit and vegetables.

        “He explained this as an aversion to certain textures of food that he really could not tolerate, and so chips and crisps were really the only types of food that he wanted and felt that he could eat.”

        Dr Atan and her colleagues rechecked the young man’s vitamin levels and found he was low in B12 as well as some other important vitamins and minerals – copper, selenium and vitamin D.
        Shocking findings

        He was not over or underweight, but was severely malnourished.

        “He had lost minerals from his bone, which was really quite shocking for a boy of his age.”

        In terms of his sight loss, he met the criteria for being registered blind.

        “He had blind spots right in the middle of his vision,” said Dr Atan. “That means he can’t drive and would find it really difficult to read, watch TV or discern faces.

        “He can walk around on his own though because he has got peripheral vision.”

        Nutritional optic neuropathy – the condition the young man has – is treatable if diagnosed early. Left too long, however, the nerve fibres in the optic nerve die and the damage becomes permanent.

        Dr Atan said cases like this are thankfully uncommon, but that parents should be aware of the potential harm that can be caused by picky eating, and seek expert help.

        For those who are concerned, she advised: “It’s best not to be anxious about picky eating, and instead calmly introduce one or two new foods with every meal.”

        She said multivitamin tablets can supplement a diet, but are not a substitute for eating healthily.

        “It’s much better to take on vitamins through a varied and balanced diet,” she said, adding that too much of certain vitamins, including vitamin A, can be toxic, “so you don’t want to overdo it”.

        Dr Atan said vegans are also at increased risk of B12 deficiency-related sight problems if they do not replace what they can lack when excluding meat from their diet.

        “Nutritional yeast is a way of adding B12 to your diet,” she said.

        Sources of vitamin B12 for vegans include:

        breakfast cereals fortified with B12
        unsweetened soya drinks fortified with vitamin B12
        yeast extract, such as Marmite, which is fortified with vitamin B12

        Rebecca McManamon, consultant dietitian and spokesperson for the British Dietetic Association, said restricted diets might happen for a range of reasons, including eating disorders, allergies and autism, and need specialist assessment.

        “It’s also worth noting that since 2016 the UK government has recommended daily Vitamin D supplementation (10 microgrammes/400 International Units) for everyone between October and March as we are not likely to get enough from fortified foods.

        “Multivitamin supplementation is recommended for all children up to their fifth birthday.”



        September 3, 2019 at 7:41 am

  22. “People have a tendency to think that all work has a purpose. Coal mining is hard, but necessary – we need coal. Working in the sewers is unpleasant, but someone has to keep the sewers in order. The same with a kitchen slave. Some people eat in restaurants, therefore someone else has to wash dishes 80 hours a week. This is civilisation and there is nothing further to discuss. But is the work of a kitchen slave necessary for civilisation. Where is the real need for big hotels and fancy restaurants? There may be a need for hotels, but is it necessary that they have hundreds of people toiling for them? If you assume that the work of a kitchen slave is more or less useless, you have to ask yourself why someone wants him to continue working… this instinct to perpetuate useless work is, at bottom, simply fear of the mob. The mob (the thought runs) are such low animals that they would be dangerous if they had leisure; it is safer to keep them too busy to think.”

    — George Orwell

    George Orwell

    September 1, 2019 at 9:30 am

    • @George – That is so right. I’ve been saying that for years. What is so great about low-paid work ?
      I’ve been saying that for years.

      Dave Blunt

      September 1, 2019 at 12:12 pm

  23. I hope Amber Rudd is going to do better with Managed Migration, than she did with Immigration.

    Alan Turner

    September 1, 2019 at 12:14 pm

    • @Alan Turner – Yeah she got sacked over the Windrush scandal. That’s what happens when you take risks and are an Amber Gambler.

      George H.

      September 2, 2019 at 12:57 pm

    • Oh, island in the sun
      Willed to me by my father’s hand
      All my days I will sing in praise
      Of your forest, waters, your shining sand

      Jamaica Inn

      September 2, 2019 at 1:11 pm

  24. Suppose you were a British Cod, swimming around in our cold northern seas. Wouldn’t you rather end up proudly on a plate of fish and chips, with some peas and tartare sauce ? Or be captured by the Spanish, and finish your days chopped up in fish paella ? Or even worse, the French. And end up in some dingy backstreet cafe having a sauce de poisson poured over you ?

    Billy Bass

    September 1, 2019 at 1:52 pm

    • That is dreadful. British fish ending up on foreign plates.

      Victoria Hartnett-Camberson

      September 1, 2019 at 2:53 pm

      • It’s a damn disgrace ! Defenceless British Cod swimming about in our territorial waters.
        A prey to every foreign vessel who can sling a net over the side. And then slink off home stuffed with our prize cod.

        Charles Farleigh

        September 1, 2019 at 3:15 pm


      Namor, Imperious Rex

      September 1, 2019 at 6:28 pm

  25. “Get ready for Brexit

    The UK will leave the EU on 31 October 2019. Do or die. No ifs or buts.

    Answer a few questions to find out how you or your business should prepare.”


    Mystic Meg

    September 1, 2019 at 1:59 pm

  26. I saw a guy with a sign demonstrating – ‘Stop The Coop’ ?? Stop them selling things ? They have good value stuff. I notice nobodys campaigning to stop Waitrose or Tesco .


    September 1, 2019 at 2:49 pm

    • The guy with the sign was spot on. The Coop should be stopped in their tracks. They are way to expensive. “Stop the Coop”.

      Tamsin Braithwaite

      September 2, 2019 at 9:27 am

      • Could be that some chickens are trying to build accommodation for their kin in his backyard.


        September 2, 2019 at 10:52 am

  27. And now Amber Rudd launches a ‘Jobs For Parents’ scheme. Just in case any new mothers thought they were going to stay at home and look after their kids. It’s Work, Work, Work until you’re 75.

    John Taylor

    September 1, 2019 at 3:55 pm

    • Amber’s majority in Hastings is only about 300. Considering the number of people on Universal Credit she’s pissed of I don’t think she will be around after the next general election.


      September 1, 2019 at 6:31 pm

  28. Bedlington mum must walk 13 miles to and from work after benefit cut leaves her with just £2.60

    Kirsty Minott, of Bedlington, Northumberland, is currently waiting to have her benefits moved to Universal Credit

    A mum-of-two says she has been forced to walk 13 miles to and from work because she couldn’t afford the bus fare after her benefits were cut.

    Kirsty Minott, of Bedlington, Northumberland claims a mix up after returning from maternity leave meant her housing benefit and council tax reduction were stopped.



    September 1, 2019 at 3:57 pm

    • @ken- This is the probelm with taking away these Jobcentres in rural areas. How are claimants supposed to get to the new Jobcentre ? Often the country buses don’t run at suitable times. So it’s either walk it, or get on your bike – if you have one.

      Tom Sutton

      September 2, 2019 at 1:20 pm

  29. UC is a joke,


    September 2, 2019 at 8:39 am

    • I’m not laughing.

      UC Recipient

      September 2, 2019 at 10:50 am

  30. As far as I know PIP assessments should not involve being examined physically. I believe that you can take a member of your family or friend with you when undergoing assessments. This is a good idea because then you have a witness to whatever has gone on. If you have a smartphone you can also record the interview and use it as evidence if you need to complain later; turn the recorder on before your interviewer sees you so that they don’t know that you are recording them.

    Bare Grills

    September 2, 2019 at 11:12 am

  31. Why can’t they just leave people alone, and stop trying to force them into work ?

    Dave Blunt

    September 2, 2019 at 12:45 pm

    • I’m sick of it Dave. That’s all you get from the DWP. Work, work and more work. But it’s getting to a point now where some of us have had enough. We are going to stand up and say no !

      Sam Skiver

      September 2, 2019 at 1:27 pm

  32. Q. What’s the difference between rowing in a slave-galley and being on Universal Credit ?
    A. You can’t get seasick on Universal Credit.

    Jobcentre Jester

    September 2, 2019 at 12:47 pm

  33. None of this makes any difference. Because the process of linear Time is just an illusion.

    Rocket Scientist

    September 2, 2019 at 12:53 pm

    • @Rocket Scientist – That’s very true. Really no-one is going anywhere.

      True Sage

      September 2, 2019 at 1:04 pm

  34. ” You migrate if you want to. This lady’s not for migrating !”


    September 2, 2019 at 1:00 pm

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