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Food Banks Face New Challenges under no-Deal Brexit

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Why a no-deal Brexit could be calamitous for food banks

RUAIRI CASEY New Statesman.

As our contributors have been discussing the merits of eating US rat droppings and chlorinated orange juice  this prospect looms.

Bad news seems to be accumulating at a record pace. Thanks to the frequent and stark warnings about the consequences of a no-deal Brexit, so are stockpiles of food.

Britons have already spent billions amassing private stores of provisions, while big supermarkets like Tesco and Marks and Spencer’s have been filling their warehouses with non-perishables since just after the Christmas rush.

I know people in real life who are already doing just this…

 The modern cross-border food supply chain is a wonder of efficiency and, presently, a ceaseless whirr of containers passes unencumbered through ports like Folkstone and Dover, speeding Italian tomatoes and Spanish heads of lettuce towards our local supermarket shelves, all in the quick and convenient manner to which we’ve become accustomed.

But if the UK crashes out of the EU without a deal on 31 October, gridlock caused by radically different customs arrangements will knock the balance of this finely-calibrated operation sharply out of kilter.

What has been less remarked upon regarding these premonitions of calamity is that the UK is already living through a crisis in food security of its own making, caused by nearly a decade of punitive austerity measures, which will likely be significantly worsened in a no-deal scenario.

The number of Britons relying on food banks to meet their needs has been rapidly increasing since 2010. The Trussell Trust, the UK’s largest network of food banks, gave out 1.6 million emergency food packages in the year ending this March.

It marked a rise of 19 per cent on 2018, driven by benefit sanctions, in-work poverty and delays tied to the roll-out of Universal Credit. Now, no-deal Brexit could be a perfect storm of disaster for the country’s most vulnerable households.

Disruption to food supply chains will mean less food on the supermarket shelves, and stockpiling by households and businesses means much-needed donations towards food banks will probably decline.

This continues, to the real point of the article,

The Trussell Trust does not have the facilities to centrally stockpile food supplies, and so plans to shift supplies around its network of some 1,200 food banks.

“We’re giving Brexit guidance to food banks – but there’s a limit to how much we can prepare for and mitigate its consequences,” said Garry Lemon, the Trussell Trust’s director of policy, external affairs and research.

“The responsibility to prevent more people being pulled into poverty lies with our Government. We cannot rely on support driven by volunteers and food donations to pick up the pieces, particularly in the event of no-deal.”

INnother words it will be Food Banks, not to mention those, like us, who often rely on the cheapest food, who will suffer.

The Benefit Freeze means we are already living close to the edge.

This will get worse.

Written by Andrew Coates

August 20, 2019 at 9:46 am

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  1. How is this happening ? In one of the richest countries in the world. It’s an absolute disgrace. Foodbanks in the UK, never heard of until a few years ago. This was something that Third World countries did, and the USA.

    Jeff Smith

    August 20, 2019 at 10:17 am

    • There has been a ‘managed decline’ in the living standards of the UK over many years. Foodbanks is just one symptom of it If you travel around Europe you will notice that many countries have been ‘brought up’. The UK is one of the countries that have been ‘brought down’. It is not even as if the level-playing field hs been leveled. The UK has been bled dry and other countries have reaped the benefits. Everything about the UK from our shoddy infrastructure to food banks smacks of a Third World Country. It is not accident though, it is all by design.

      On a global scale countries such as China have overtaken us. Even our universities have been taken over by rich Chinese. We are on a downhill trajectory.

      M Waters

      August 20, 2019 at 10:50 am

    • @Jeff. The British Public just soak it up like a sponge. It seems to be an era of indifference now. People are so sick of things they just want to close their doors and forget about it. Even the prospect of retiring at 75 isn’t enough to dent the apathy of the general public. Even though this will mean that the UK has the oldest retirement age in the world.

      John Taylor

      August 20, 2019 at 12:17 pm

      • Our comparative lack of action in response to the brutal welfare reforms introduced by the present government should be a cause for great shame.

        When did we become so submissive and overly-compliant?

        We even allow ourselves to be bullied and intimidated by our power and utility providers.

        The ‘British bulldog’ spirit is now but a distant memory.

        Three lions on a shirt? Three cowering timid little mice would be a more fitting emblem.

        We need to be more like the French.

        John Costello
        Activist for ‘we are shadows’

        John Costello

        August 22, 2019 at 8:24 am

      • Think the French would have something to say if Macron tried bumping their retirement age up to 75!

        Yellow Vest

        August 22, 2019 at 11:49 am

      • Actually he is going to raise the pension age…

        “Among the least popular of the proposed reforms is the raising of the retirement age to 64 from the current age of 62.

        French government reconvenes with unpopular reforms on agenda.

        21.8.19

        https://www.france24.com/en/20190821-french-government-reconvenes-controversial-reforms-agenda-rentree-politique

        Andrew Coates

        August 22, 2019 at 3:42 pm

  2. I volunteer at a local foodbank and demand is already high and stocks are low, we are really struggling to meet the needs. In the last 12 months we have provided enough food for 227,000 meals, and that’s just one small independent foodbank in one town. The situation can only get worse after Brexit. And what are the Tories going to do about this disgraceful state of affairs that is nothing short of being a National Emergency? Sweet FA.

    trev

    August 20, 2019 at 10:17 am

    • @Trev, the Tories haven’t changed and they never will.

      George B.

      August 20, 2019 at 10:42 am

      • With Boris Johnson recently having described the French as ‘behaving like turds’, am I alone in fervently hoping that Emmanuel Macron will treat Boris Johnson with equal contempt and send him home utterly humiliated?

        Qui sont les crottes?

        John Costello
        Activist for ‘we are shadows’

        John Costello

        August 21, 2019 at 2:27 pm

    • Trevor that’s scary…I can see things escalating so we have a hunger March or return to the great depression of the 1920s…

      katrehman

      August 20, 2019 at 11:04 am

      • Think we have a long way to go. How many truly skeletal people, concentration camp victims do you see about?

        Skiiny Latte

        August 20, 2019 at 11:43 am

      • trev

        August 20, 2019 at 2:25 pm

      • It is scary Kat, I dread to think what effects a no-deal Brexit would have. At the moment, and for last few weeks, we’ve been concentrating on ‘feeding families’ due to “holiday hunger” that means lots of people are struggling to feed their kids during summer hols whereas they normally get free school meals during term time. Donations always fall off quite a lot in Summer then we get a big influx of donations in October when all the churches and some schools bring their Harvest Festival stuff in. Then there’s another lull for a few weeks before all the Christmas donations come flooding in and it’s all hands on deck, rushed off our feet, cos it all has to be unpacked, sorted into categories and in date order, put into storage and /or given out as per requirements. It’s a huge task involving lots of volunteers facing an ever increasing problem that is on a monumental scale nationwide. And it’s time something was done about it by the Politicians, the Government, and all those in a position of power or influence. Somebody needs to DO SOMETHING! They can’t just continue to ignore the issue of food poverty, or poverty in general. Tory policies are causing the problem to begin with but they are in denial and just don’t care.

        trev

        August 20, 2019 at 2:17 pm

      • It is a MAN(OR WOMAN)-MADE disaster of a monumental scale. Do you see empty shelves in the shops? NO! Are we living in Soviet Russia? NO! On the contrary, there is an over-supply of food (thank the ‘efficiencies of the capatilsit system for that), supermarkets try every trick in the book to shift their burgeoning stock, consumers are treated like the proverbial fatted pig.. Yet we are faced with the horror of starving kids eating loo roll! What does that tell you? It is by DESIGN? Do you hear any opposition to it from those in power? Does anyone in power voice their condemnation of these atrocities being committed before our very eyes? NO! On the contrary, there is a cross-party consensus in Parliament. They either voted for it (Cons and Libdems) or abstained (Labour) when Iain Duncan Smith’s horrific measures were being transiting through Parliament. What does that tell you? It is all part of a PLAN!

        Fadah

        August 20, 2019 at 2:35 pm

  3. This No-Deal stuff it’s like playing chicken run with the EU. Boris is convinced if he doesn’t swerve, the EU will lose their nerve and give him a better deal.

    Tom Sutton

    August 20, 2019 at 10:34 am

    • It is the first rule of negotiation. If Boris took ‘no deal’ of the table he would have folded before he even played his hand. And, anyway what is so wrong with trying to wrangle the best deal he can for the UK?
      The question is: Who will ‘blink’ first?

      Daiya

      August 20, 2019 at 11:03 am

      • The EU won’t blink because it can’t blink. Why? Because the EU is a bloc of 27 countries who work together under a rules-based framework and to ‘blink’ all of the 27 have to agree which takes a lot of time. All we’ve got is a vague and dissolute Boris Johnson trying to throw his weight around, at the behest of Dominic Cummings, and a Halloween deadline with nowhere near enough time to renegotiate anything with a bloc as big as the EU. If Cummings say “blink” Boris will blink otherwise BoJo will keep his eyes open. So unless parliament can frustrate the forthcoming disastrous crash-out of the EU not far down the tracks the UK will be leaving the EU, without a deal, at the end of October, despite Boris saying repeatedly that leaving without a deal was a “million to one” unlikely.

        (And, yes, I do know Boris Johnson is a brazen liar and deceiver and I didn’t believe him.)

        All this business about using no-deal as a threat to get a good deal and that the EU always make deals during the last second, of the last minute, of the last hour, of the last day, as if negotiations always proceed step-by-step predictably, like a Delia Smith recipe, was always mythical bollocks. The UK has no strategy and no cards to play negotiation-wise and it’s too late now anyway.

        The road is running out for Great Britain and the Conservative party both.

        I am comforted that the people most responsible for this mess will at least carry the can for what’s coming.

        (Poetic justice I think it’s called.)

        Steve-O

        August 20, 2019 at 11:42 am

      • Boris is just a buffoon throwing his substantial weight around. The ‘brains’ really belong to Cummings. It is Cummings who is of note. This is the man who engineered victory for the leave campaign by getting into bed with Canbridge Analytica who in turn were in bed with Facebook. He used data gathered without user consent to manipulate voter intentions by means of spreading fake news and employing Russian ‘troll farms’ on ‘social media’. He was also in close contact with the Kremlin and Putin. He also engineered Trump’s victory. Cummings is the one to watch.

        Sheila

        August 20, 2019 at 11:53 am

      • It’s not negotiation to offer to shoot yourself in the foot if your opponent doesn’t give in. It’s stupidity. Boris is bluffing and The EU knows it. They have only to stand firm until October 31st.

        Alan Turner

        August 20, 2019 at 12:24 pm

      • What happens on the 31st October then? Nothing!?

        Ehsaneh

        August 20, 2019 at 12:27 pm

      • What happens if we leave the EU without a deal? This article sketches out some possibilities:

        https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-uk-leave-no-deal-what-happens-eu-talks-david-davis-a8460416.html

        Jim

        August 20, 2019 at 12:45 pm

      • The Independent is pretty good, and has been a critic of Universal Credit long before the Currant Bun crawled onto the bandwagon.
        I, like a lot of people, buy the ‘I’ (65 pence).

        “Prices in the shops
        The prices of consumer goods would likely increase significantly under a no-deal, particularly for foods like meats and cheese.

        LSE research commissioned by the dairy industry says dairy products would be particularly hit and “see shortages of products and a sharp rise in prices, turning everyday staples like butter, yoghurts, cheese and infant formula, into occasional luxuries”.

        This, the research claims, is because of the dependence on imported products from Europe and the complex supply chains which would be very sensitive to delays.”

        Andrew Coates

        August 20, 2019 at 3:47 pm

      • @ Daiya

        He’s not trying to get the best deal for the country, he’s trying to get the best deal for his rich mates.

        trev

        August 20, 2019 at 1:34 pm

      • @ Jim What’s the big deal about a rich bloke trying to get the best deal for his rich mates?

        Mate's Rates

        August 20, 2019 at 1:42 pm

      • Soz – @ trev

        Mate's Rates

        August 20, 2019 at 1:44 pm

      • @ Mate’s Rates

        There’s nothing wrong with a person in the private sector trying to make a deal to benefit himself and anybody else that he favours. There is a problem with a rich and privileged Prime Minister trying to make a deal internationally between his own nation and other nations deliberately to benefit his own the rich and privileged because such a deal would exclude most other citizens from deriving any benefit whatsoever and may even jeopardise their futures if a corrupt and selfish Prime Minister like that sold his countrymen out in such a way. A corrupt and sectional deal like that would not be in the public interest or serve the public good which should be the principle aim of any decent politician and certainly of every Prime Minister.

        I doubt that many in the UK would choose to live in a plutocracy, where the rich call the shots, rather than a democracy dedicated to improving the lives of all who live within it, be they rich and poor. In the age which preceded the current post-truth world of Boris Johnson and Donald Trump this used to be known as noblesse oblige. Liars and swindlers like Donald Trump and Boris Johnson have debased decency and respect for the truth to such an extent that high-mindedness like that seem not to matter to ordinary men and women in the way that they used to.

        A world glued together by falsifications and bullshit is bound to fall apart eventually.

        In time everything will end in tears, you mark my words.

        (But it won’t be Trump or Johnson picking up the pieces.)

        Jim

        August 20, 2019 at 2:35 pm

      • Boris Johnson is using no-deal as a threat to force the 27 countries of the EU to give him a good deal? Are you kidding? The clot is more like the Sheriff in Mel Brook’s film Blazing Saddles that took himself hostage and threatened to blow his own brains out when the going got tough.

        The Sheriff survived… Boris won’t if there’s any justice anywhere in the universe.

        Cally

        August 20, 2019 at 4:36 pm

    • Trev I do worry about holiday hunger. Or all round term time hunger. Our kidd behaviour is off the wall to start with normally. They’ll be coming back skinny and argumentative due to not enough to eat and waiting for breakfast club free school dinners and fruit and milk.and in hand me down uniforms too most probably. In this day and age it’s awful we are so reliant on foodbanks. I have the utmost respect for you and your fellow volunteers

      katrehman

      August 20, 2019 at 5:00 pm

      • Is it not a case of social services should be getting involved? 😉

        Nosey Parker

        August 20, 2019 at 5:15 pm

      • What’s happened to the child benefits, child tax credits, working tax credits intended solely to feed and clothes these kids? Fags, boozes, drugs, nights out, holidays in the sun, Sky TV? It’s a disgrace, kat, but you can’t lay the blame solely at the feet of Boris Johnson.

        Stella

        August 20, 2019 at 5:21 pm

      • Stella (or whatever your real name is), it’s not just those on Benefits who are struggling to feed their kids as well as paying the bills, people with varying circumstances are affected including some that are working. The fact is that incomes (whether wages or Benefits, or a combination of both) simply do not match the costs of living, especially when living in rented accommodation and with children to feed and clothe. As for your inane remarks about fags, booze and sky tv etc. that is Reactionary bullshit more suited to the Daily Mail. Try to think, and empathize. Some of these children haven’t had a holiday in the sun for years, if at all. I personally haven’t had a holiday for 16 years and I don’t even have any kids to feed. Poverty is blighting the lives of millions of people in this country.

        https://www.bigissue.com/latest/you-think-you-must-be-a-bad-parent-one-familys-holiday-hunger-plight/

        trev

        August 20, 2019 at 6:05 pm

      • You are also looking at cases of potential child abuse. This should be getting picked up by the teachers and the school and referred onto social services and the police. The parents need investigated. You can’t just sit back and blame Boris Johnson!

        Stella

        August 20, 2019 at 5:25 pm

      • I don’t just blame Boris Johnson, I blame his parents and his grandparents and every member of the Upper Class, I blame every Tory and everyone who has ever voted Tory, I blame the LibDems, the neoliberals, the Rightwing of every Political party, and most of all the rich.

        trev

        August 20, 2019 at 6:10 pm

  4. I notice we have not heard any joyful news from the Harrogate Universal Credit Trial ? I thought by now the newspapers would have been full of things like ‘This is John he hadn’t worked for many years, but now thanks to the help he received from Universal Credit he’s back in work !’ etc. With a smiling picture of Amber Rudd standing in a Jobcentre.

    Terry H.

    August 20, 2019 at 10:40 am

    • It’s not working is it ? How many of them have got jobs, virtually none I’ll bet.

      Dave Blunt

      August 20, 2019 at 12:27 pm

    • STELLA …over three quarters of our children have safeguarding issues and are known to social services. We have social worker in skl regularly. Our families tend to be larger than the 2 children “allowed” now or even 3 of the rape clause (vomitable idea) is claimed. Alcohil and drugs don’t play much part as a lot of our families are actually very religious. Having a high proportion of SEN children also pits pressure on family budgets especially of DWP are arseing around with benefits. Plus as already mentioned inadequate wages and benefits extortionate rent and council tax static wages and poor employment opportunities all take their toll. Try and live in the real world please

      katrehman

      August 21, 2019 at 8:26 am

  5. I saw on the news last night skls and care homes advised to get extra stocks in and I’m worried for our kids in skl I work at …high rate of free skl meals and SEN. We started referring to foodbanks 3 weeks in after UC was rolled out in our town

    katrehman

    August 20, 2019 at 11:00 am

  6. If we are all stockpiling for a ‘no-deal Brexit’ what is going to happen to all the seasonal food and drink about to hit the shops? Is it all going to end up in the ‘reduced’ isle come the New Year?

    Christmas Pud

    August 20, 2019 at 11:37 am

    • At this rate, the Tories will just announce that they have cancelled Christmas in order to save money. As it is something the country can no longer afford.

      Ebenezer Scrooge

      August 20, 2019 at 12:22 pm

      • Bank holidays and a five day week are a bit excessive too. I reckon that since a half day off during the week and Sunday off to worship the almighty were good enough for my granddad that should be good enough for the plebs today. And cancel those blooming awful bank holidays! People don’t know they’re born these days let me tell you. A bit of stick would do this limp generation a world of good. Spare the rod, spoil the child.

        E. Burke

        August 20, 2019 at 6:30 pm

  7. I don’t suppose Jeremy Corbyn is doing anything to stop any of this ?

    Disgusted Labour

    August 20, 2019 at 12:31 pm

    • @ Disgusted Labour

      You don’t think Jeremy Corbyn is doing anything to stop this? Don’t you read or listen to the news? He’s doing everything he can to try and stop it!

      trev

      August 20, 2019 at 1:32 pm

      • @ Trev- But what does it all come to ? He has the lowest approval rating ever. It’s just not any good.
        I don’t know why people keep defending him. He ought to give it up now. And give someone else a turn at being leader. Tom Watson for example.

        John Taylor

        August 21, 2019 at 2:36 pm

      • Tom Watson??!! He’s a backstabbing, neoliberal, Rightwing Class Traitor. No, no, that would never do. There’s nowt wrong with Corbyn, a man of principles. Corbyn and McDonnell have made it possible for people like me to vote Labour again after years in the Political wilderness with no one to vote for. Many of us have been waiting a long time for a proper Leftwing Labour Party.

        trev

        August 21, 2019 at 3:09 pm

  8. I the London jobcentre I sign on at the staff are are 100% female, 75% black and 25% that wear a scarf on their head, an am telling you you don’t want to sign on on there. You can hope and pray ain’t coming to a job centre near you soon too.

    Hackney

    August 20, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    • Hackney, what have you got against women, black people and those who prefer to wear scarves? Are you a bigot by any chance?

      trev

      August 20, 2019 at 6:38 pm

  9. There was a bloke on Channel 4 News, head of the Dover Port Authority no less. When he was asked about the UK crashing out ™ © ® he said that it would be “business as usual”. Who to believe. But it is kind of hard to believe that a man-made spanner would be thrown in the works in order to leave Spanish tomatoes rotting in a port. Funny it was on Channel 4 News because if you flip over to the BBC it is all “crashing out” ™ © ® – an oxymoron if ever there was one – this and that.

    Tabahhuj

    August 20, 2019 at 1:35 pm

    • Skinny Latte I also remember reading somewhere that GPS eported an increase in sanctioned patients presumably entitled to free prescription requesting prescription of the vitamin fortified milkshake drinks to try and keep vitamin and iron levels up…

      katrehman

      August 20, 2019 at 5:12 pm

  10. Universal Credit sanctions imposed on 256,000 claimants as charity demands halt to harsh regime

    The Department for Work and Pensions revealed the shocking number of people whose benefits have been restricted over the past year.

    Mhoraig Green, from Citizens Advice Scotland, said: “We have long raised concerns about cases where people have had their benefits unfairly sanctioned, leaving them without any income for a sustained period, causing them to require crisis support including food bank referrals.”

    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/universal-credit-claimants-demand-change-18929068

    ken

    August 20, 2019 at 3:07 pm

  11. Ben Brown on BBC News is predicting a no-deal. A former member of the Irish Parliament he was speaking to said: “What I think it that the UK will crash out. There will be a few months of chaos. Then Prime Minister Johnson will find himself back at the negotiating table having learned that he must take the EU’s determination of the backstop much more seriously.”

    Annie

    August 20, 2019 at 4:30 pm

    • Boris has got that “Bugger it” look about him though 🙂

      Aafira

      August 20, 2019 at 4:39 pm

    • He’s right. The UK will have to start puckering up and kissing EU buttocks quite soon after crashing out of the EU via a no-deal Brexit. Who do you think is going to come off worse: One country (UK) against twenty-seven united others (EU) or twenty-seven countries (EU) against one (UK)? If we crash out we will have to negotiate some kind of trade deal with the twenty-seven developed countries closest to us or we’re stuffed. And after crashing out, from a position of enormous weakness, what cards would we have to play at the negotiating table? None.

      Ocelott

      August 20, 2019 at 5:39 pm

      • Too right 🙂 Too right, BoJo is going to end up kissing Donald Tusk’s arse 😀

        East Anglia

        August 20, 2019 at 5:42 pm

    • ♫ Goodbye said Jean-Claude
      We are programmed to deceive
      You can check out any time you like
      But you can never leave
      Welcome to the European Union… ♫

      The Eagles

      August 20, 2019 at 5:53 pm

  12. Can I as a remainer ask any leaver to explain how the United Kingdom will be better off after leaving the EU? How will leaving the EU make us more prosperous? More safe and secure? Make our currency stronger? Improve human and worker’s rights within our borders? Help keep the peace in Ireland? Make our society fairer? Discourage Scotland from seceding and Ireland from reuniting? Blimey! Do anything positive to make the UK a better and more pleasant place to live in?

    What do leavers expect to gain from crashing Great Britain out of the EU? I’m genuinely interested and would be delighted if any leaver could briefly outline all the gains from leaving the EU, because I can’t see any. For example which countries do you think that we will get favourable trade deals that will make up for the losses which business and commerce is bound to suffer when we start trading with the EU under WTO terms when tariff free access to the EU market ceases when we are no longer a member?

    I am not trying to catch anybody out just trying to understand the leaver mind-set.

    Thank you in advance.

    Jim

    August 20, 2019 at 6:23 pm

    • Jim, I agree with almost everything you said, I would prefer it if the whole of Europe including Britain was just one big country. I don’t think a reunited Ireland is a bad thing though. I’ve always thought it ridiculous that Northern Ireland is part of the UK, it makes no sense to me. If we (Britain) are going to leave the EU then we should give Ulster back to Ireland.

      trev

      August 20, 2019 at 6:35 pm

      • ♫ Imagine there’s no heaven,
        It’s easy if you try,
        No hell below us,
        Above us only sky,
        Imagine all the people
        living for today…

        Imagine there’s no countries,
        It isnt hard to do,
        Nothing to kill or die for,
        No religion too,
        Imagine all the people
        living life in peace…

        Imagine no possesions,
        I wonder if you can,
        No need for greed or hunger,
        A brotherhood of man,
        imagine all the people
        Sharing all the world…

        You may say Im a dreamer,
        but Im not the only one,
        I hope some day you’ll join us,
        And the world will live as one. ♫

        John Lennon

        August 20, 2019 at 7:18 pm

      • @ Trev, Good God man ! We don’t want a Federal Europe. This is Britain !!

        Senior Tory

        August 21, 2019 at 2:21 pm

      • @ Senior Tory

        I was thinking more of a United European Socialist Republic (UESR), perhaps with Jeremy Corbyn as President.

        trev

        August 21, 2019 at 2:28 pm

      • Like a EUSSR? 🙂 But hasn’t that idea been tried before…? 😉

        Joseph Stalin

        August 21, 2019 at 2:45 pm

    • Jim, leaving the EU means that we will take back control and regain our sovereignty. Hardly chump change 😉

      Nigella

      August 20, 2019 at 7:10 pm

      • Indeed, Nigella! What’s not to like? 😀

        Jacob

        August 20, 2019 at 7:26 pm

      • And what have control and sovereignty brought us thus far? Austerity, Universal Credit, Benefit Sanctions, Workfare, foodbanks, Privatization, extortionate rents, expensive and unreliable public transport, the Centre for Social Justice, the Institute for Statecraft, G4s, zero hours contracts, the Miners Strike, Peterloo…

        trev

        August 20, 2019 at 7:33 pm

      • … the Welfare State, Housing Benefit, NHS, Council Housing, Student Grants… 😉

        Tamsin

        August 20, 2019 at 7:42 pm

      • Tamsin (real name Geoff, John, Pete, Dave, Robert?) in case it escaped your notice the Tories have wrecked our Welfare State, the NHS is in crisis – under staffed and underfunded, Student Grants are now Loans, they haven’t built any Council houses for decades and Housing Benefit is now under the auspices of Universal Credit. Engage brain before Trolling.

        trev

        August 20, 2019 at 8:09 pm

      • My question was: How will be better off after leaving the EU? How will leaving the EU make us more prosperous? More safe and secure? Make our currency stronger? Improve human and worker’s rights within our borders? Help keep the peace in Ireland? Make our society fairer? Discourage Scotland from seceding and Ireland from reuniting? Blimey! Do anything positive to make the UK a better and more pleasant place to live in?

        You haven’t answered any of those questions.

        So let me put it this way: How and in what ways will “taking back control and regaining our sovereignty” make us better off after leaving the EU? How will leaving the EU make us more prosperous? More safe and secure? Make our currency stronger? Improve human and worker’s rights within our borders? Help keep the peace in Ireland? Make our society fairer? Discourage Scotland from seceding and Ireland from reuniting? Blimey! Do anything positive to make the UK a better and more pleasant place to live in?

        Actually what does “take back control and regain our sovereignty” actually mean? What control and sovereignty have we lost that makes leaving the EU worthwhile? Usually leavers scratch their heads a bit and then say something like “Controlling our borders and immigration” and “Making our own laws and not having to follow laws made by the EU and European Court of Justice” but never explain how this will make our country more influential, stronger, wealthier, more secure, kinder, happier and healthier. Maybe you can tell me what you call “regaining sovereignty and control” will do for the British people to help improve their lives? Do you reckon removing workers rights would be good like Jacob Rees-Mogg. Or what about withdrawing from EU directives relating to environmental improvement, decarbonisation and the move towards sustainable energy supply in order to let us run our cars more cheaply and pollute more freely? Do you reckon that watering down EU legislation relating to human rights might be a good idea? And what about food and drink? Do we really need to be quite as scrupulous about animal husbandry, hygiene, purity and cleanliness as per food production as the EU currently demands?

        Imagine that we have left the EU, taken back control and regained our sovereignty, whatever that means.

        What then would you expect and/or like to see happen to make the UK better off than it was in the EU?

        Have a good think, do a bit of googling and research and answer me that.

        Thank you in advance.

        Jim

        August 20, 2019 at 8:45 pm

      • An increased sense of National identity (if that’s what “control and sovereignty” amounts to) will bring no tangible improvements whatsoever in my opinion. We’re not living in the 1930s anymore. It’s just a pointless exercise in massaging the egos of the terminally insecure, pandering to the Fears of the fearful, and taking a step backwards for the sake of all those who feel unable to move forward but who need to have the illusion of progress. A comfy blanket or free teddy bears might have done the job just as well.

        trev

        August 20, 2019 at 9:47 pm

      • JIm (real name Hyacinth, Bernadette, Roberta, Penelope?) the Welfare State, Housing Benefit, NHS, Council Housing, Student Grants were all brought in when the UK wasn’t under the auspices of the EU.
        See what we can achieve when we go it alone?

        And while you are Tory-bashing, The Welfare State and NHS were Churchill’s idea, Housing Benefit was brought in by Ted Heath (Conservative). Harold McMillan (Conservative) brought in Student Grants in 1960 under a recommendation from the Anderson Committee, McMillan also embarked on the biggest council house building programme the UK has ever seen. Dig out a history book before Tory-bashing.

        Anna

        August 21, 2019 at 7:53 am

      • @ ‘Anna’

        Still, I think you’re clutching at straws to blame the EU for any of those things, Council Houses, Housing Benefit, Student Grants/Loans etc. have nothing to do with the EU. The people who come here from Europe and use any of those services are also contributing to the economy, either paying Taxes or buying things.

        trev

        August 21, 2019 at 11:08 am

      • P.S.

        And the Tories deserve bashing for all the damage they’ve done to the country and to Society, and all the needless suffering they have inflicted, and the tens of thousands of untimely deaths they have caused.

        trev

        August 21, 2019 at 11:14 am

      • It was a LABOUR guvmint under Tony Blair who abolished stewdent grants in 1997 😦 Bloody Tories! 😀

        Skink Stewdent

        August 21, 2019 at 8:00 am

      • Oops – was having a go at ‘trev’ (whatever her real name is 😉 ) Sorry, Jim! 🙂

        Anna

        August 21, 2019 at 8:04 am

      • Jim, it probably the very same people who cling to the outdated and obsolete notion of the ‘British Empire’ who persist on using unsupported operating systems and ancient browsers. Bet Boris is on Windows XP and Internet Explorer 6 or summat 😀

        Nualia

        August 21, 2019 at 8:17 am

      • One must say, the entrance requirements to university have certainly plummeted since ‘stewdent’ [sic] loans
        were introduced.

        Emeritus

        Emeritus Professor

        August 21, 2019 at 8:22 am

      • If we take back control of our border we can keep the immigrunts out, JIm 😉

        Ficko

        August 21, 2019 at 8:32 am

      • Jim, the hard Brexiteers would argue that since the UK is a net contributor to the we would be better off out.
        Imagine what we could do if we received a refund of all that we had paid into the UK. Richer countries have been paying to build up the economies of poorer countries. Now we have to compete with those poorer countries who have now overtaken us. EU policy has also increased the burden on social security. Arguably an ideologically-driven madman such as IDS would have destroyed social security regardless of EU membership but nevertheless the burden still appears on the balance sheet. EU policy also encourages the free movement of cheap labour. Life was much easier for the ‘baby boomer’ generation pre-EU. How and in what ways has EU-membership improved the lives and made things easier for the working-classes. Unless you mean no-roaming charges when you are within the EU zone. But these are more conveniences. EU membership benefits big business and the rich; it goes against the interests of the working-class. How can competing in an ever-expanding labour pool be to someone who is selling their labour? Is is questions like this that the Remainers persistently fail to answers. Whatever happens, it is too late now for the working-classes and poor. Universal Credit and all it’s ills is going nowhere whether we are in or out.

        Cynthia R

        August 21, 2019 at 8:54 am

      • United European Socialist Republic ? But surely every right-thinking Tory would leave the country ?

        Desmond T.

        August 21, 2019 at 2:45 pm

    • @ Anna- Perhaps if you dug out a history book you would realise that the welfare state may have been Churchill’s idea initially but he actually ended up voting against it. Labour were responsible for bringing the welfare state through, not Churchill.

      KJ

      August 22, 2019 at 12:28 am

  13. HS2…………..

    AFTER FORKING OUT BILLIONS TO RICH LAND OWNERS IN COMPULSORY PURCHASE ORDERS THE GOVERNMENT NOW WANT YOU TO RETIRE AT 75…………………..

    BORIS JOHNSON’S RECENT GIVEAWAYS TO PREPARE FOR A SNAP GENERAL ELECTION HAVE MADE RATHER A LARGE HOLE IN THE ECONOMY.

    WITH KIDS LIVING IN SHIPPING CONTAINERS, THEFTS FROM CHARITY SHOPS AND QUEUE’S AT FOOD BANKS, EVERYTHING LOOKS ROSEY TO THE JAUNDICED EYE.

    TODAY THE OFFICE FOR NATIONAL STATISTICS ARE SAYING THEY GOT THEIR FIGURES WRONG FOR PEOPLE COMING TO LIVE AND WORK HERE.

    I WOULD PUT IT TO THEM THAT EVERYTHING THEY PUBLISH IS COMPLETE FALSIFIED BOLLOCK’S.

    THE O.N.S. IS ALL PART OF THE ESTABLISHMENT PROPAGANDA MACHINE THAT HIDES THE CATASTROPHIC REALITY OF A PARLIAMENT THAT HAS NEVER DONE A DAY’S MANUAL GRAFT IN THEIR LIVES.

    THE REST OF EUROPE PRODUCES GOODS……………………………..THE UK PRODUCES JUST BULLSHIT BY THE SHOVEL FULL.

    WITH THE ROYALTY SHAGGING UNDERAGE KIDS, THE METROPOLITAN POLICE LOSING ALL INFO PERTAINING TO THE WESTMINSTER KIDDY FIDDLERS AND A WHISTLEBLOWER JAILED TO KEEP HIM QUIET, ONE WONDERS WHAT WILL EMERGE NEXT ON THE INTERNET?

    I STRESS INTERNET BECAUSE THE MEDIA ARE ALL IN IT TOGETHER, SHIT SCARED TO TELL THE TRUTH EVEN IF IT HIT THEM IN THE FACE.

    ………………PERSONALLY I WILL BE GLAD IF THEY SCRAPPED HS2 COMPLETELY AND ERECTED A WIRE FENCE ACROSS THE MIDDLE OF THE COUNTRY.

    THE UK HAS THE SKILLS TO CREATE ANYTHING BUT LACKS THE LOGIC AND INVESTMENT TO DO ANYTHING………..

    PREPARE FOR AND EARLY GRAVE

    Sarah7

    August 21, 2019 at 12:24 pm

  14. Can’t anybody tell me how and in what ways we will be better off out of the EU than in? I am less interested in sovereignty and taking back control to be honest than development and prosperity. How will leaving the EU make the country richer? Being the only English speaking member of the EU – an ancient stable democracy ruled by secular law, as dependable as it was reliable – was a magnet for inward investment from abroad into the country by business and concerns wanting to export to the EU tariff free from a member state. Our capital city, London, was the de facto financial capital of the EU with legal and financial services supplied to the EU raking in billions and billions of pounds every year on a regular basis. How will losing long-lived advantages like that make the country wealthier? Investment will dry up and the banks and financial institutions that were great money spinners for our nation will, in fits and starts, move to EU countries on the continent because the services they provide will be cheaper to provide to EU countries than mounting them from the UK outside the EU and Europe’s financial centre will drift away gradually from London, piecemeal, to somewhere like Frankfurt, Paris or Bern.

    Gaining sovereignty and control while making ourselves weaker, poorer and more debt ridden does not seem like a sensible or equitable trade to me. I never lauded the EU as responsible for everything bright and beautiful in the UK since we joined it. All I wanted to know is how separating ourselves from such a mighty and internationally powerful bloc of countries (which rival the USA collectively as per GDP according to the International Monetary Fund) would make us financially better off and more secure than we are now.

    As far as I can see leaving the EU without a deal has no positive outcomes as far as prosperity goes, which, to me, is far more important than hypothetical sovereignty, control, and the right to have bendy bananas are concerned. Surely if you’re passionate about Brexit you must have some idea of how Great Britain is going to be better off self-isolated and alone? I can’t see any of Boris Johnson’s “sunny uplands” to head towards especially if we secede from the EU in the worst, nastiest, and most unfriendly manner imaginable.

    When we leave we will still HAVE to try to negotiate a free trade deal with the EU afterwards or we will be stuck having to trade with the 27 remaining nations in the EU permanently on unfavourable WTO terms. If you think that negotiating a withdrawal deal was hard, not so say apparently impossible, try to image how difficult THAT would be after ditching the 27 in the most unfriendly fashion and leaving them in the lurch welshing on debts owed to that institution.

    Jim

    August 21, 2019 at 1:15 pm

    • The solution would be for the EU to wind it’s neck in a bit and return to the original ‘Common Market’ that the UK signed up for. Boris does have a point when the says that “the EU has become to bloody big for its boots and dictatorial”. One can dream…. 🙂

      Haalimah

      August 21, 2019 at 2:20 pm

      • One small island nation in debt up to its eyeballs trying to take on a bloc of twenty-seven developed, determined and united European nations could only ever end one way. The problem with Brexiteers is that they don’t understand that the European project is more important to most European nations in the EU than trade with the UK by a long chalk: countries like France and Germany are reluctant but willing to suffer significant economic shocks and downturns if the UK crashes out of the EU without a deal rather than risk the UK’s exit damaging their bloc. Which is why Boris cracking the whip is as silly and it is pointless. The Germans ARE willing to sell us many fewer cars and the French much less wine and cheese if doing so helps to preserve the integrity of the EU itself. Brexiteers think that everything boils down to profit and money including UK secession form the European Union. They are about to discover that in this instance it really, honestly and truly doesn’t big time.

        Jim

        August 21, 2019 at 3:32 pm

      • European PROJECT – you have nailed it there, Jim! It is a PROJECT and it must not be allowed to FAIL at ANY COSTS even if it means 👿 SACRIFICING 👿 Old Blighty at the ALTAR

        Fatima

        August 21, 2019 at 3:43 pm

      • Blighty is committing not being sacrificed but more like committing suicide, sport. Our own blood will be upon our own heads by dint of the self-mutilating actions of our own hands. We lit the pyre upon which we look set to burn.

        Jim

        August 22, 2019 at 5:33 pm

      • Let’s try that again typing more slowly…

        Blighty is not being sacrificed but committing suicide, sport. Our own blood will be upon our own heads by dint of the self-mutilating actions of our own hands. We lit the towering pyre upon which we look set to burn.

        Jim

        August 22, 2019 at 5:35 pm

  15. “This royal throne of kings, this sceptered isle,
    This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,
    This other Eden, demi-paradise,
    This fortress built by Nature for herself
    Against infection and the hand of war,
    This happy breed of men, this little world,
    This precious stone set in the silver sea.”
    ― William Shakespeare

    True Patriot

    August 21, 2019 at 2:26 pm

    • In Elizabethan England during the 16th century, when Will wrote this, it may have been true. But now?

      Kit Marlowe

      August 22, 2019 at 5:29 pm

  16. @Trev – Do you know that what you are proposing is communism ?

    Senior Tory

    August 21, 2019 at 2:40 pm

    • Actually I said Socialist not Communist, but if you don’t like that idea perhaps we should just stick to the original plan of building Jerusalem (in England’s green and pleasant land), how does that grab ya? I’m sure the Institute for Statecraft would approve.

      trev

      August 21, 2019 at 3:02 pm

  17. At least we’ll get our British Cod back. Have you seen the price of Fish & Chips recently ?

    Fred Harper

    August 21, 2019 at 2:54 pm

    • True and while we’re in late August talking about the price of fish, I hope that this helps settle another burning issue of the day:

      Andrew Coates

      August 21, 2019 at 3:08 pm

    • Don’t worry about those cod. When we strike a fabulous trade deal with New Zealand and/or Australia we can substitute Hoki netted from their waters on the other side of the earth for cod. Hoki tastes a bit like stale haddock on the turn but is just as nourishing so the Aussies say. I don’t know if Hoki fresh from the ocean tastes quite that bad or if Hoki transported in refrigerated ships from the antipodes starts to rot and decay a little during nautical transportation from down under all the way to blighty. Stop your complaining and get it down you!

      Issac Walton

      August 21, 2019 at 3:43 pm

      • It is a myth that fresh is best. Tune out if you are squeamish

        Meat is muscle tissue from animals, and comprises strings of long-chain proteins, which when stimulated in a certain way, contract to cause the muscle to act. When “fresh” the meat is stringy and tough and not very flavourful. But as it decomposes, so to speak, these long-chain proteins and connective tissues break down into something tasty, which is why we vultures wait until that flattened squirrel has aged a day or two on the hot tarmac before snacking on it.

        Don’t say you weren’t warned 😀 So all that rotting meat from Oz an New Zealand will turn into something “a little bit tasty” 😀

        The Vulture Family

        August 21, 2019 at 3:50 pm

      • Mmmm…think I’ll stick to beans, nuts and pulses if you don’t mind!

        trev

        August 21, 2019 at 4:03 pm

      • Soylent Green… here we come!

        Coldwater

        August 21, 2019 at 4:17 pm

  18. Some shocking news just in:

    “Life expectancy to plummet to 42 after No Deal Brexit”

    Did this come from:

    a) GMB / Richard Bacon

    b) The Civil Service

    c) Jo Swinson

    d) The BBC

    e) Sky

    f) Channel 4

    g) The Guardian

    h) James O’Brien

    Val

    August 21, 2019 at 3:36 pm

    • Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Nigel Farage or Dominic Cummings I betcha. They’ve all got previous form.

      Mermaid's Purse

      August 21, 2019 at 3:45 pm

  19. Back in what passes for the real world: (Mirror just now)

    DWP U-turns after telling Universal Credit claimants they can work as strippers

    The web page is no longer available online after the Department for Work and Pensions admitted it was “inappropriate” – and said it was posted by mistake.

    Universal Credit chiefs have made a humiliating U-turn after telling benefit claimants they could work as strippers.

    A government web page listed “dances in adult entertainment establishments” as one option for jobseekers with “no formal academic” skills.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/dwp-u-turns-after-telling-18978226

    Andrew Coates

    August 21, 2019 at 3:40 pm

  20. And the horrifying cost of medicines in the American ‘healthcare’ system. If we have to go begging to Uncle Sam for a trade deal, their multi-million pound ‘healthcare’ companies are going to want a substantial slice of the NHS. Which is itself a huge market , spending £140 Billion every year !

    Jeff Smith

    August 21, 2019 at 4:20 pm

    • Viagra up from £4 a tablet to £61 – at that price the Missus can do without !

      Flatcap Fred

      August 21, 2019 at 4:34 pm

      • It would be cheaper to pay one of the unemployed to give her one for you on you behalf and save you the time and trouble.

        Big E

        August 21, 2019 at 7:24 pm

  21. And what about Vinegar ? British Vinegar, brown and bitter. Time was you could go into any British Cafe, and there it would be…. vinegar. Just waiting there, dark and tasty. Ready to go on your chips. British Chips , not ‘French Fries’, but chips, good solid pieces of potato. English potatoes, with names like King Edwards, Maris Piper, and Dunbar Rover. Picked in the misty morning, in an English field.
    But now it’s never seen on cafe tables, hidden away back in the kitchen, as if they are afraid to put it out. Young staff who think the twentieth century is ancient history, look amazed if you ask for vinegar. As if you’ve asked for some exotic sauce.
    Enough of French Fries and American take-aways where vinegar is never seen.
    Let’s take back our culture, reclaim our British Traditions, and once again proudly put vinegar on our chips !

    Sarsons Pride

    August 21, 2019 at 5:03 pm

    • In Chinese takeaways you have to ask for salt never mind vinegar! But, ee, by gum you can’t beat the smell of salt n vinegar 😉 Bring back the traditional British chipper!

      Yorky

      August 21, 2019 at 5:16 pm

    • No brown sauce on the table usually either. Perhaps not so bad considering that HP Sauce is now Dutch.

      Cherry Cola

      August 21, 2019 at 7:18 pm

      • We noticed just today that our favourite TETLEY tea is made by the TATA COMPANY OF INDIA would you Adam & Eve it? Apparently this is the same company that makes our cars JAGUAR LAND ROVER!

        Rupert and Penelope

        August 21, 2019 at 7:52 pm

  22. We’re heading for an Eton Mess – and if he keeps going Boris is going to get his just desserts.

    Tom Sutton

    August 21, 2019 at 5:54 pm

    • This is a take on ‘Made in Britain’ a classic ITV drama from the 80s, back when ITV made really raw, hard-hitting, non-politically correct drama. Other classic dramas in the strand were RHINO (Really Here In Name Only about truancy), One Summer (about a group of boys ill-fated trip to Wales), Annika (a young lad pursues an exchange student to Sweden).

      Bernadettte Manning

      August 21, 2019 at 8:04 pm

    • Bernadettte Manning

      August 21, 2019 at 8:05 pm

      • “The next day, Trevor leaves the assessment centre, to look for jobs. Trevor, accompanied by Errol, breaks into a car and drives to the job centre. Near the job centre, he buys Evo-Stik for huffing, and immediately enters the job centre. Trevor barges past the queue, demanding a job from the attendant. When asked to wait, he storms out, and hurls a brick through the window. ” 😀 ;D

        Freda Hartley-Brewer

        August 21, 2019 at 8:22 pm

      • We watched all these never-seen-on-British-TV-again programmes on German TV when we were living over there. Crown Court was the best courtroom drama we have ever seen 🙂 Anyway, making out that the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom is a racist thug complete with a missing tooth is bang out of order. Boris should about the persona of a snowflake and demand a safe space to be offended in.

        The Jones.

        August 22, 2019 at 7:41 am

      • We watched all these never-seen-on-British-TV-again programmes on German TV when we were living over there. Crown Court was the best courtroom drama we have ever seen 🙂 Anyway, making out that the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom is a racist thug complete with a missing tooth is bang out of order. Boris should adopt the persona of a snowflake and demand a safe space to be offended in.

        The Jones.

        August 22, 2019 at 7:42 am

    • Round about the time of Armchair Thriller. ITV used to screen that at 8pm! It terrified the wits out of us. The episode with the nun was as scary as Hell.

      Armchair Thriller

      August 21, 2019 at 8:09 pm

  23. TO THE PLANNING OFFICER
    TOWN HALL
    SCARBOROUGH

    ……………….DO I NEED PLANNING PERMISSION TO WELD BISCUIT TINS BELOW THE WINDOW OF OUR CONTAINER TO PROVIDE MORE SPACE FOR MY KIDS TO PLAY?

    P.S.
    A NEIGHBOUR HAS TOLD ME THAT WELDING A DIVIDING WALL WITHIN OUR HOME WOULD RESULT IN ME BEING LIABLE TO PAY BEDROOM TAX. PLEASE ADVISE………….

    PPS
    IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET A TEMPORARY MOVE TO A CONTAINER HAVING A FREEZER UNIT FOR THE MONTHS OF JUNE, JULY AND AUGUST?

    PREPARE FOR AN EARLY GRAVE

    Sarah7

    August 21, 2019 at 8:49 pm

    • Why is this post ALL IN CAPITAL Letters ?

      Online Editor

      August 21, 2019 at 9:56 pm

  24. DWP ramps up hiring for robotics and automation unit

    The Digital Channels team, which currently employs more than 100 people, has a mission statement of “redesigning the way people interact with DWP’s digital services”.

    https://www.publictechnology.net/articles/news/dwp-ramps-hiring-robotics-and-automation-unit

    ken

    August 21, 2019 at 9:05 pm

    • Remember the Robot Probation Officer, in that Matt Damon Sci-Fi film Elysium ? That will be the future, Robot Work Coaches.

      George

      August 21, 2019 at 9:54 pm

  25. One thing you can say for the Tories, from now on Working-Class means exactly what it says.

    LibDem Collaborator

    August 21, 2019 at 9:59 pm

    • The Scottish Association of Landlords (SAL) has urged Dundee landlords to attend a Department of Work and Pensions (DWP) event to learn more about Universal Credit.

      Set up in partnership with the DWP, the Universal Credit Roadshow is a free event is aimed at any person or organisation who lets out property in the private rented sector.

      The event will be addressed by speakers from the DWP to answer questions, challenge some of the myths around Universal Credit and give advice for landlords and letting agents in supporting tenant claims and safeguarding rent payments.

      https://www.scottishhousingnews.com/article/dundee-landlords-urged-to-attend-free-dwp-event-about-universal-credit

      ken

      August 22, 2019 at 9:56 am

    • See you again in Coalition 2 – The Armageddon

      Lance Buckley

      August 22, 2019 at 11:11 am


    • The face of pure evil

      The power-mad odious little shit 👿 Jo Swinson 👿 must be stopped at all costs. No way can this piece of shit be allowed to form another coalition. It was Swinson and the rest of the LibDems collaborators who voted for each and every one of Iain Duncan Smith’s ‘welfare reforms’. It is these bastards that brought us Universal Credit. Jo Swinson and her fellow collaborators are responsible for heaping misery, despair, poverty, homelessness, suicide and death on the poorest, most vulnerable, weakest members of our society. Swinson and her fellow traitors must be stopped!

      The Terminator

      August 22, 2019 at 11:25 am

      • @Terminator – And how long before Judgement Day ?

        Sarah Connor

        August 22, 2019 at 2:10 pm

      • I like the way Jo waves and waggles her hands about when speaking. It reminds me of a stage magician misdirecting and pulling the wool over the eyes of an inattentive audience. Once upon a time her party had principles and integrity then she took over and… Abracadabra… Hey presto… their principles and integrity have vanished!

        Houdini

        August 22, 2019 at 3:04 pm

  26. What’s with this evil Google I am not a robot recapha crap when applying for jobs! As if anyone is going to waste time clicking on buses, crosswalks, traffic lights. Don’t think so you Google bastards! Next!

    Google suck

    August 22, 2019 at 8:35 am

    • “…large technologies such as Google need to be broken up and regulated, because their consolidated power and cultural influence make competition largely impossible. This monopoly in the information sector is a threat to democracy…”

      ― Safiya Umoja Noble, Algorithms of Oppression: How Search Engines Reinforce Racism

      Safiya Umoja Noble

      August 22, 2019 at 9:35 am

  27. “If you want to know who rules over you, look at who you are not allowed to criticize.”

    ― George Orwell

    Thought for the Day

    August 22, 2019 at 9:15 am

    • That’s very true.

      Jane

      August 22, 2019 at 10:54 am

    • That was voltaires quote not orwells 😬

      Violet

      August 22, 2019 at 11:51 am

      • Voltaire came first so it might have been Orwell quoiting Voltaire 😉

        Ruby

        August 22, 2019 at 12:06 pm

  28. “Victims becoming torturers is such a classic historical pattern that we could formulate, regarding any revolution whatever, this iron law : combat oppression; beware of the oppressed.”

    ― Pascal Bruckner, The Paradox of Love

    Another Thought for the Day

    August 22, 2019 at 9:40 am

  29. Brexit Britain is becoming a failed state: here is the evidence
    Britain’s institutions, economic prospects, constitution and future are all at risk — but the delusion and lies continue

    The Johnson government denies the truth about the consequences of a no-deal Brexit, and denounces any attempt to point these out as “Project Fear”. The EU is blamed for the failure of negotiations, even though this was almost entirely the result of choices made by the previous British government. To cap it all, the public is told that if Britain can convince the EU it is prepared to damage itself with “no deal,” then France, Germany, and others will surrender and give us what we want. Yet any damage that a no-deal Brexit causes to the EU would be dwarfed by the long-term harm it inflicts on Britain.

    https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/brexit-britain-is-becoming-a-failed-state-here-is-the-evidence-20190822

    Boat people leaving the UK claiming asylum in the EU.Calais jungle for British people,the English channel the new Berlin wall it could go on.

    ken

    August 22, 2019 at 9:55 am

    • How would you solve the ‘backstop’ problem. ken? The backstop means that the UK remains ‘trapped’ in the customs union. BoJo wants out the the customs union. What would you do, ken? Build a hard border on the Irish border? Or abandon Northern Island and let it reunite? Another solution?

      Guten Morgen

      Angela

      Angela M

      August 22, 2019 at 10:01 am

      • ken? Are you there?

        Angela Merkel

        August 22, 2019 at 12:26 pm

      • Oh, well 🙂 In that case I will just have to give Jean-Claude a phone and ask them what the things then 🙂

        Danke trotzdem, ken and

        Guten Tag

        Angela

        Angela Merkel

        August 22, 2019 at 12:44 pm

      • Oh, well 🙂 In that case I will just have to give Jean-Claude a phone and ask him what he thinks then 🙂

        Danke trotzdem, ken and

        Guten Tag

        Angela

        Angela Merkel

        August 22, 2019 at 12:46 pm

      • The “Irish backstop” would only kick in at the end of a two-year transition period if the UK and EU had failed to negotiate a future trade deal that keeps the Irish border open as it is today. It should actually never be triggered. The backstop is basically an insurance policy to ensure that the borders between the Irish Republic and Northern Ireland continue to stay open, as open as they are now, under all circumstances; it won’t keep the UK in the customs union unless negotiations between the UK and EU failed completely years down the road. Like a car insurance policy having the policy doesn’t mean that you’re going to have an accident and similarly the backstop doesn’t mean that the UK will end up stuck in the EU. Quite the contrary in fact. To throw away the chance of a smooth, controlled and managed Brexit, with a long transition period to enable the EU and UK to disentangle themselves and readjust to their new relationship with as little damage as possible, particularly to the UK, over the backstop is folly on a grand scale.

        Jim

        August 22, 2019 at 5:23 pm

  30. I’m sure everyone on this blog is sick and tired of the way that the DWP try to present Universal Credit as something wonderful. It isn’t . At the end of the day we have a British government that is making its own citizens work . It is no good Amber Rudd standing there smiling. People who don’t want to work, who have never wanted to work, are being forced to do so by this ruthless government.

    Fred Harper

    August 22, 2019 at 10:59 am

    • And keep going until they are 75 !!

      Sam Skiver

      August 22, 2019 at 11:08 am

      • The UK will have the highest retirement age in the whole world!

        OAP

        August 22, 2019 at 11:47 am

      • Arbeit macht frei.

        T. Eicke

        August 22, 2019 at 2:58 pm

    • I don’t know about Universal Credit forcing people into work but it certainly isn’t helping people to out of poverty, the main purpose that Iain Duncan Smith originally claimed that Universal Credit was for.

      Kinky

      August 22, 2019 at 3:20 pm

      • Its doubtful if Universal Credit was going to solve anyones’ poverty.Online complaints about that system continue.

        To cut a long story short, 5 months ago I spent a short amount of time between jobs and was due around £470 UC (incl housing costs) for 1 month.

        I ended up getting £7 as my old employer had their PAYE dates wrong on the system so UC took into account earnings they shouldn’t have.

        https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/universal-credit-and-the-financial-ombudsman.1483892/

        If I could find a job abroad I would gladly go and if I could say a good word about any of it I would.

        ken

        August 22, 2019 at 7:17 pm

  31. In order to mitigate the prospect of the possible shortages we are now hearing about, I sugges that the answer to panic buying could be rationing to ensure the fair distribution of available food and medicines etc. Black markets will spring up and the well-to-do would fare better than others. Those black markets are probably with us even now.

    So, despite the usual Tory lies about everything being under control and assurances that “we are better prepared than ever before”, we had better take stock and realise the mess they are getting us into. I do not remember an “ever before” like this. Do you? So the time has come, rationing should be introduced NOW!

    Michael Gove has taken on the No-Deal Brexit task with his usual display of enthusiasm – after all, the pay is good. But surely even he knows that he has been set up. At the last General Election he denounced Mr Johnson for being an unsuitable prime ministerial candidate (which reminds me of the Hitler Youth denouncing their own parents in the 1930s and 40s). Does anyone believe that will have been forgotten? So when the civil unrest starts, he will be the first target. Michael Corleone could not have planned it better.

    And there is every possibility that there will be civil unrest. Suffolk Constabulary have already told us of their preparations – what are the plans for the rest of the UK? Is this Tory government as well prepared as they were for the miners’ strike? Have you noticed the police horses seem to be even heavier these days? It doesn’t bear thinking about. And this is all being brought about by the deliberate actions of a government under the control of a Prime Minister the country did not elect.

    Herbert Brikensteinerfontague

    August 22, 2019 at 1:12 pm

  32. Thin oatmeal strips, crisply baked, with a bitter lemon icing.
    Six Brexit Slices

    Mr Kipling

    August 22, 2019 at 1:59 pm

    • You make exceedingly small cakes.

      Phil Kool

      August 22, 2019 at 3:21 pm

      • Well, some people are exceedingly greedy, so we reduced the size of the cakes. In order to protect them from themselves.

        Mr Kipling

        August 22, 2019 at 3:38 pm

  33. Maréchal, nous voilà !

    Collaborateur Secret

    August 22, 2019 at 2:07 pm

  34. I cannot think of a blog where one meets with such an intoxicating mixture of wit, learning and philosophy as Ipswich Unemployed Action.The very reading of it quickens the senses, and the sparkling debate engages with a fresh charm of innovation and delight. Yet there is no impropriety, and reading it one feels not simply a moral satisfaction at the whole tone of the debate, but dare I say a spiritual uplifting, a cognisance perhaps of a higher reason and a pure essence of thought.

    Anthony De Carnet

    August 22, 2019 at 2:25 pm

    • Indeed Anthony, and may I say that I encourage all my girls here at The Faversham Academy For Young Ladies to read Ipswich Unemployed Action.

      Eleanor Broughton, Headmistress, Faversham Academy For Young Ladies

      August 22, 2019 at 10:04 pm

      • If any of these young ladies ever end up on universal credit themselves, God forbid, they could consider a career as a striptease artiste disrobing for money in a gentleman’s club or similar. Physical appearance is more important than academic excellence in this instance.

        Amber Rudd MP

        August 23, 2019 at 5:11 pm

  35. To: All female staff at Ipswich Jobcentre Plus

    From: MANAGER

    Date: 20th August 2019

    Subject: Toilets

    Yet again the deplorable state of the toilet cubicles has been drawn to my attention. It appears that we have a member of staff who practices the hygiene habits of a pig fed on laxatives. She also has no conscience as to the gut wrenching abominable mess she leaves for her colleagues to sort out.

    In future all cubicles will be personally inspected every half-hour and should the problem resurface again an immediate inspection will be conducted to trace the precise ar$ehole responsible. All members of staff will then be invited to a staff meeting ar$ehole kicking half hour.

    Jobcentre Spy

    August 22, 2019 at 8:16 pm

  36. Tory MP Amber Rudd sees the great Cornish cream tea debate as a vote winner

    The Secretary of State also had a serious message in Truro

    Ms Rudd visited Truro Jobcentre to announce investment in a project which will see job centre work coaches able to refer people with mental health conditions for specialist one-to-one support without the need for a GP or social worker assessment.

    https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/tory-mp-amber-rudd-sees-3235570

    The Mirror published a story regarding this subject back in March.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/dwp-slammed-top-charity-plan-14154522

    ken

    August 22, 2019 at 8:54 pm

    • So now the Work Coaches are psychiatrists as well ?

      Gordon Bennett

      August 22, 2019 at 10:09 pm

      • Have you ever been in a Cornish Jobcentre ?

        Don't Tell I, Tell Ee

        August 22, 2019 at 10:14 pm

      • @Don’t Tell I – Yes, overweight, semi-literate. Covered in cheap tattoos, and suffering from the effects of generations of inbreeding and a diet of greasy, underdone pasties.

        Fred C.

        August 22, 2019 at 10:25 pm

    • roaches fancy themselves as amateur psychiatrists even though they can’t diagnose the coiour of their own shit pmsl

      superted's rotten teef

      August 22, 2019 at 10:43 pm

    • If the jobcentre are going to go down the route of declaring a jobseeker mentally ill then they have to safeguard that claimant. That means removing them immediately from unemployment benefits and placing them is a safe space of non-work search requirement disability benefits. The jobcentre can’t have their cake and eat it. They can’t use “look at you, you’re nuts” as a bullying tactic. If you have problems with your mental health you should not be on unemployment benefits. You are not fit to work. So you should be asking are you giving me a diagnosis or are you merely bulling me? Are you declaring me not fit to work or are you merely bullying me? Ask for a diagnosis, get your self off the unemployment benefit and onto much higher disability benefits and a motability car, but do not let the jobcentre imply that you have mental health issue whilst keeping you on unemployment benefits. Of course the jobcentre can’t give you a diagnosis – only a qualified psychiatrist can!

      Dr Shrink Bsc, Msc, Psy D, Ph D, M Phil, BBC, ITV, MFI

      August 22, 2019 at 10:57 pm

    • That’s mental!

      Mad Frankie Frazer

      August 23, 2019 at 4:41 am

  37. There is still one basic point missing in this debate about work. What about all the people who don’t want to work, who just want to stay on benefits and be left alone by the DWP ? Don’t they have the right to say, ‘No thank you Amber, I don’t really want to work.’ ??

    Malcolm

    August 23, 2019 at 10:56 am

    • Of course not. But people don’t want to make up a week’s work with three, four or more commutes to different locations get less money than they would with a full-time job with one trip to work and back each day. When in-work conditionality starts biting the asses of every part-time worker who is earning less than 35-hours on the minimum wage there will be hell to pay when they get told to take on other part-time jobs miles away or give up a job they love nearby to take another with more hours with such a long commute that they end up worse off. Psychologically you can’t micromanage human lives like that without severe consequences.

      It’s not: ‘No thank you Amber, I don’t really want to work.’

      But: ‘ ‘No thank you Amber, I don’t really want to work four jobs, morning, afternoon and evening, each involving costly commutes to rack up 35 hours of paid employment and still end up with less money and much more cost and inconvenience than a 35 hour job at one location would give me.’

      Just watch the shit hit the fan when this regime is eventually extended to millions on Universal Credit.

      Mrs Bone

      August 23, 2019 at 5:08 pm

      • Actually Mrs. Bone it really is ‘No Amber I don’t want to work’. It’s that basic- we don’t want to work.

        Sam Skiver

        August 23, 2019 at 6:32 pm

      • @ SS

        That can’t be right, mate. We’ve got the lowest percentage of unemployed people for forty-five years and more people in work than ever before. Assuming what the government is saying is true of course and UC only started up very slowly starting in 2013 and is seven million shy of a full roll-out now. There is no way that UC and the government’s welfare reforms can be lauded with the ultra-low unemployment and huge number of people currently in work, assuming that this is actually the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth of course. If people really were trying to swing the lead those statistics couldn’t possibly be true, assuming that they are true of course. As my old dad used to say: “Never trust anything a Tory has to say.” Quite possibly things are not as rosy as Amber Rudd and here acolytes say.

        Laurence Corner

        August 24, 2019 at 6:55 am

      • I have no idea how many people Universal Credit has actually got into work. I have read in a DWP report that claims that it gets about 2% – 7% more people into work and keeps then in work for 10 to 12 weeks longer than legacy benefits. Pretty modest improvements considering the downside in my opinion. Universal Credit most certainly has driven hundreds of thousands of people into debt and rent arrears and is unequivocally responsible for millions of visits to food banks without any shadow of a doubt; the Conservatives obviously think that the modest improvements of the former is worth the mass suffering of the latter. It will be interesting to see how the currently flaky implementation of Universal Credit copes if/when we slip into another recession after we leave the EU, when unemployment could increase steeply and quickly by hundreds of thousands. Nobody would be able to ignore the ill effects of something like nor blame Brexit for the failure of Universal Credit.

        W. Winstanley

        August 24, 2019 at 7:11 am

      • Under the legacy system you could ‘work’ for a few hours in a supermarket and claim full tax credits – and that is what many people did. Universal Credit puts a stop to that.

        Ruth

        August 24, 2019 at 8:35 am


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