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Sanctions Regime Scandal Continues As Calls Made for Root-and-Branch Reform of the System.

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There’s lot to Dramatise about Universal Credit…..

Perhaps it’s just us lot, but the sanctions regime really sticks in the craw.

This is in the Daily Record.

Universal Credit sanctions imposed on 256,000 claimants as charity demands halt to harsh regime

Citizens Advice Scotland demanded an immediate halt to the harsh benefit sanctions regime after a quarter of a million people across Britain were penalised in a year.

The Department for Work and Pensions published a report confirming 256,000 sanctions between May last year and April for people on Universal Credit.

It comes days after a woman said she had thousands of pounds cut when she missed an appointment because she suffered a miscarriage.

Mhoraig Green, from Citizens Advice Scotland, said: “We have long raised concerns about cases where people have had their benefits unfairly sanctioned, leaving them without any income for a sustained period, causing them to require crisis support including food bank referrals.”

In Scotland, the network of Citizens Advice offices helped people with sanctions 1273 times in the past financial year.

Earlier this week, Danielle John’s story sparked revulsion after she revealed a 229-day sanction was imposed because she
forgot to inform her work coaches about a miscarriage suffered the day before an appointment.

A DWP spokesman said: “It is only right that we expect some claimants to meet certain agreed commitments in exchange for their benefits.

“We want to ensure sanctions are effective and support claimants, which is why we constantly review them and have announced an end to single fixed-period sanctions lasting more than six months.”

Benefit sanctions statistics to April 2019

This is from the Background to the Report,

There are four sanction levels in UC: –
• Lowest Level: Failure to attend or take part in a Work-Focused Interview. The sanction lasts until the claimant attends or takes part in one, or moves to either the Working – no requirements or No Work Requirements conditionality regimes.
• Low Level: The sanction lasts until the claimant does what they previously failed to do and were sanctioned for (e.g. failing to attend a training course) or because either the requirement is no longer appropriate or an alternative compliance condition has been met, plus 7, 14 or 28 days for the first, second or third low level sanction in any 12-month period.

• Medium Level: The sanction lasts 28 days for the first sanction in any 12 month period, and 96 days (approximately 3 months) for a second medium level sanction. Medium level sanctions apply, for example, where the claimant has to meet the work availability requirement, but has failed to be available to attend an interview or start work.

• High Level: The sanction lasts for 96 days (approximately 3 months) for the first sanction in any 12-month period, 182 days (approximately 6 months) for a second high level sanction and 1095 days (approximately 3 years) for a third.
Universal Credit Sanctions Official Statistics

Which lead to this, apart from the Play above

this is extremely interesting:

Selection of Recommendations.

  • Recommendation: The DWP needs to abolish the 5 week wait for Universal Credit.
  • Recommendation: The DWP needs to urgently comply with the findings of the High Court, that people paid monthly but whose earnings for two months fall into one assessment period should be treated as having been paid for the period when their wages were earned, rather than the date they were received.
  • Recommendation: People who are self-employed should be able to request 3-monthly assessment periods for earnings and costs. This would even out sporadic payments and fit with reporting requirements for Making Tax Digital, reducing bureaucracy for micro businesses.
  • Recommendation: The rigidity of monthly assessment periods needs to be urgently reviewed. People who are paid on a different schedule should be able to average their earnings. Those who have a change of circumstances during the assessment period should have the option to average out the impact
  • Recommendation: Claimants should be paid twice-monthly by default as they are in Northern Ireland, and in pilots in some Jobcentres, with the option to be paid monthly if they wish.
  • Recommendation: All claimants should have the option of direct payments to their landlord from the start of the claim.
  • Recommendations: Benefits should rise by 2% above inflation for each of the next 4 years in order to restore their value to 2015 levels.
    A minimum standard of income for benefits claimants should be assessed and implemented by the DWP for all elements of Universal Credit.
  • Recommendation: The value of Local Housing Allowance should be restored to accurately reflect the lowest 30% of market rents in every area.

 Sanctions.

The DWP’s UC Full Service Survey showed that 11% of claimants had been sanctioned, of whom 18% had been sanctioned more than once.

These are far higher rates than JSA or ESA.

  • Recommendation: The DWP should publish a list of common circumstances that constitute ‘good reason’ for breaching the claimant commitment. There needs to be a standardised sanctions process across the country to reduce reliance on judgement and increase fairness and accountability in the application of sanctions.
  • Recommendation: All DWP staff and work coaches should receive training on the definition of ‘good reasons’ for claimants not to be issued with a Universal Credit sanction. This should include an ‘other circumstances’ category where judgement can be applied. The training must also ensure that DWP staff are aware of and follow standardised procedure in relation to sanctions. This should be followed up with a requirement for decision makers to ensure that these procedures have been applied before sanctions are implemented.
  • Recommendation: Remove fixed term sanctions – sanctions should end when claimants have complied with their requirements. Sanctions should also end if the claimant becomes unable to comply, for example due to becoming unwell or having a new baby.

 

There’s a lot more: read it!

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Written by Andrew Coates

August 15, 2019 at 11:15 am

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  1. Universal Credit is built on sanctions, that has been the way since Duncan Smith & Co. decided that the unemployed were having it too easy under the JSA system. And the level of sanctions for minor ‘offences’ is worse in real terms than the actual justice system hands out in the courts. But it all comes down to the attitude of treating unemployment as a sort of passive crime against society. That people are doing wrong by remaining unemployed, and should be punished for it.

    Jeff Smith

    August 15, 2019 at 11:40 am

    • Nobody seems to remember the former chief architect of Universal Credit, David Freud, who, shortly before he left his post as Minister for Welfare Reform in the DWP, said that once the system had been fully implemented the DWP could “do things” to claimants remotely and then “see how they respond” and nudge them into behaving differently by levering them and applying forces to them. Basically he saw Universal Credit as a means to take control of claimants and make them behave in ways that the government of the day thought beneficial. I though this sounded very sinster and was reminded of Pavlov and Conditioned Reflex where he forced dogs to behave as he desired by dint of a regime of punishment and reward, really cruel, godawful, disgusting and appalling stuff.

      This is how I see Universal Credit: A framework designed to instil certain behaviours in benefit claimants by means of punishment and reward, mostly punishments as it turns out with sparse rewards as we all know all too well.

      Even so I am amazed with terrible things going on every day that the powers that be haven’t been moved to make some token gestures to make the misery of UC slightly less bad, e.g., cut the waiting period which follows first application and getting rid of the disgraceful “advances”, i.e., loans from the DWP which have to be paid back by deducting up to 40% of UC entitlements subsequently, and pay people the money they need upfront without strings preventing them from being driven into debt and rent arrears by design.

      Jim

      August 15, 2019 at 7:02 pm

    • What the did was lable everyone honest decent and hardworking people some all their lives.Many are going to be transfered onto Universal Credit in their 50’s and 60’s.Hardly being called having it their own way.

      ken

      August 16, 2019 at 4:28 pm

  2. A man who was terrified about moving on to universal credit slit his throat in a hospital toilet. The mentally ill being pushed to suicide by the Tory state assassins the DWP.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/man-terrified-moving-onto-universal-18931811

    Violet

    August 15, 2019 at 12:04 pm

    • Not surprisingly, I haven’t seen any mention of this in the Mail or Express. Here is the real truth of the pressure people are being put under in Universal Credit. And @Jeff Smith – Agree 100% Jeff, unemployment is being treated as a kind of crime by the government.

      Tom Sutton

      August 15, 2019 at 12:37 pm

    • How have we come to this in society ?

      Alan Turner

      August 15, 2019 at 12:38 pm

      • I doubt it could have happened if there wasn’t a massive financial crash in 2018, which enabled the Tories to preach their gospel of austerity for the poor and tax cuts for the rich and business, followed by the lunacy of Brexit which still roars and rages like Frankenstein’s monster even as I type these words. The financial crash and Brexit dominated the conversation so much that nobody noticed the Tories eviscerating the welfare state on the sly; without those two events sucking the energy out of politics and numbing the public consciousness I don’t believe that we would have fallen so far into darkness so quickly and quite probably fatally.

        Jim

        August 15, 2019 at 7:13 pm

      • How many skilled tradesmen such as plumbers are languishing on benefits now after losing their jobs because of the EU doctrine of ‘free movement of labour’, Do you think any of them voted to Remain? Don’t think so. The living standards of the working-class are being brought down to those of a Turd World country. The Pope was spot on when he said that landing the the UK was like landing in a Turd World country.

        dafeen

        August 15, 2019 at 8:37 pm

      • @dafeen – I doubt that there are many half-decent plumbers or other skilled tradespeople languishing on benefits as there is a national shortage of them, despite the numbers of skilled tradespeople taking advantage of freedom of movement, (which, incidentally, is a two-way process) and coming to the UK. Most of them were from central Europe, former Comecon countries where the economy was pretty awful back in 2004. All this has changed now, and their economies are now growing rapidly and their skills are now needed back in their home countries.

        It’s very easy to blame immigrants for bad things happening, but they are innocent. It is capitalist employers and the politicians of whatever stripe who support them who are to blame. The solution is to show solidarity with foreign workers, who may think that they are onto a good thing, and being paid well, which they are by the standards they are used to, but let them know what the going rate for the job is for UK workers and they’ll soon feel as if they’re being scammed, which of course they are. There will always be a few who will happy undercut the going rate, but that has nothing to do with where they come from, they are scabs, no matter what.

        sibrydionmawr

        August 16, 2019 at 12:00 am

      • Immigrant labour is one of the main drivers of growth in the economy, allowing the Tories to claim that the British economy is strong. (It isn’t.) When the UK leaves the EU just watch what happens to the country’s GDP.

        Jules

        August 16, 2019 at 8:54 am

      • And if anything drives employment standards down, it’s the employers and the government.

        Andrew Coates

        August 16, 2019 at 9:56 am

      • It is essential to keep business in the private sector competitive and one of the most efficient ways to do so is to bear down on wages. As Ricardo noted keeping workers on pay at subsistence levels actually benefits them and is in the final analysis in their own interest because then business can afford to employ more of them and so keeps more of them in work.

        Javid of the Treasury

        August 16, 2019 at 2:22 pm

      • A lot of jobs used to pay a decent wage, for example HGV driving – now a minimum wage job!

        Mad Mary the Trucker

        August 16, 2019 at 9:06 pm

      • Once upon a time a decent first degree would get you a decent, secure, well paid career. Not any more. Loads of graduates end up in thousands and thousands of pounds of debt condemned to accept low paid menial work with no future mixed with far too low top-up benefits after years of study.

        Juicy Fruit., BA(Hons)

        August 17, 2019 at 5:46 am

      • Back in the day, around about the time of the ‘baby boomers’ a degree was a passport to a good well-paid job as well as allowing you to buy a property cheaply. Easy peasy! Not the case anymore. How times change.

        Millie Enial

        August 17, 2019 at 7:41 am

    • Amber Rudd’s new vow over Universal Credit during Harrogate visit

      “Our aim is that every single person in the pilot in Harrogate has a positive experience during the pilot.”

      When asked whether the 100 existing benefits claimants set to be ‘migrated’ to UC by Christmas was sufficient as a pilot when a total of more than 5,000 people in the Harrogate district will ultimately be affected, the minister said she was “completely comfortable” that the rollout should go at a “really slow pace” to start with.

      https://www.harrogateadvertiser.co.uk/lifestyle/amber-rudd-s-new-vow-over-universal-credit-during-harrogate-visit-1-9936024

      ken

      August 16, 2019 at 1:28 am

      • A pilot consisting of 2% of a population cannot be used a proof of concept to support a full rollout to the remaining 98% of men and women under consideration. Amber may be happy but anybody even slightly numerate wouldn’t be. The rollout is going at a “really slow pace” because the DWP are afraid of too many disaster stories appearing in the media when things go wrong preferring a sneaky softly, softly, catchee monkey kind of approach to avoid drawing attention to the catastrophic reality of UC in the real world.

        Jules

        August 16, 2019 at 8:51 am

      • @ ken – ‘ Every single person has a positive experience ‘ ? With the way that Universal Credit operates ? I can see how it can be an experience, but then so is going to the dentist. But a positive experience ? Come off it Amber, you’re drifting back into Wizard of Oz territory now. You know, we know and everyone knows, that there is nothing the least bit positive about Universal Credit.

        Frank Harper

        August 16, 2019 at 1:41 pm

      • How can anybody applying for Universal Credit and having to struggle to make ends meet for a minimum of FIVE WEEKS with NO INCOME at all, or a DWP loan which has to be paid back by deducting up to 40% of benefit for up to 18 months taking your income well below what the law says is the minimum anyone should live on, is NOT going to have a positive experience with Universal Credit from the word go! I mean that’s a bloody awful ordeal to go through when you’re strapped for cash and facing great difficulty.

        Amber Rudd is either a barefaced liar or has very poor mental health.

        HOW THE HECK CAN ANYBODY MAKE SUCH RIDICULOUS AND UNTRUE STATEMENTS?

        Johnny Fresh

        August 17, 2019 at 4:19 pm

  3. Reblogged this on Tory Britain!.

    A6er

    August 15, 2019 at 12:17 pm

  4. I was sanctioned for three months so in total lost about £900 all because they made me an appointment to attend at 1:30 when I finish work at 1:10 and don’t drive so need to walk to and wait for a bus to get to the job centre. Apparently this isn’t a valid reason as to why I cant attend? So they stopped my money. I asked for a mandatory reconsideration and they again stated it’s not a good enough reason to fail to attend even though I’ve requested appointments for 2pm multiple times. What do I do now?

    Natalie C

    August 15, 2019 at 8:28 pm

    • Natalie, I know someone in this very same situation. A sanction attempted for late signing of about 10 mins like yourself. The DWP tried to rubbish the complaint, as they always do, at the Mandatory Reconsideration stage.
      But my friend wasn’t having it, and made a formal complaint to his MP ( Labour), who took it to the DWP’s Independent Case Examiner. Once the MP was in it, things took a very different turn indeed. My friend had a very good reason for being slightly late. The sanction was overturned, on the basis that the local Jobcentre had been unreasonable in this instance. The Jobcentres nationally received new instructions about not making ridiculous sanctions earlier this year, after all the fuss about this. But the new rules are still widely ignored, or at least they are if the DWP don’t think you know about them. So my advice Natalie, is to write to your MP, making a complaint, and ask him / her to refer your complaint to the Independent Case Examiner.

      Alan Turner

      August 15, 2019 at 10:25 pm

      • I see @ken has posted this critical piece about the Independent Case Examiner . Yes, they may well try simplify the basis of the complaint in order to make it clear exactly what the issues are. As the police themselves do when taking evidence. But there are no ‘fantasy complaints’ and other paranoid rubbish like this. Bear in mind that the ICE will write to your MP stating what they think the main points of the complaint should be. The MP will then write to you asking if you agree. And if you do not, your MP will then write back to the ICE requiring changes. Which again will be submitted to you for approval by your MP. Then they will again contact the ICE with the required amendments. Then, and only when you have agreed the points in dispute, can the complaint proceed. In many cases no such alterations are needed, as the complaint is a straightforward one. Such as why someone was prevented from attending a meeting. Or from making a particular application.
        It is always worth involving your MP in any complaint against the DWP. They provide an effective and independent overview of any complaint. A free service to their constituent. One which has caused so many complaints to be overturned that last year the DWP made a failed effort to prevent claimants from contacting their MP in the case of a complaint. On the basis of the administrative cost to the department. Fortunately this was thrown out by parliament, as interfering with the rights of a constituent in contacting their MP. The Mandatory Reconsideration system is simply an attempt by the DWP to head off direct complaints to the MPs.
        @Alan Turner posted what I thought was a very helpful response to @Natalie C.

        Jeff Smith

        August 17, 2019 at 11:04 am

      • @Torvald

        It must have been years since you last checked out Linux which now has umpteen GUIs (Linux Mint offers three front ends namely Cinnamon, Mate and Xfce, with many others you can install if you choose to) which many rate more highly than Windows. I suggest you check out a few Youtube postings about Linux Mint and/or Ubuntu. You might be surprised. Or not. At the end of the day it boils down to a matter of taste but whatever you do don’t use any OS or old computer online for any serious purpose which is not still under development and supported by security updates. I crimbos hack your system and steal your passwords to your bank, paypal, email etc., you might end up losing much more than you want to including money and your identity.

        Pete

        August 18, 2019 at 8:08 am

      • You don’t need to use a telemetry-ridden spyware-infested piece of shit such as Google Chrome so safely access the internet. The main attack vectors are PUBLIC computers (keyloggers) and PUBLIC networks (sniffers). To stay safe to not run any .exe or .vbs files from unknown sources such as via email i.e. annakournikovalovesu.exe. Browser security is compromised mainly through JAVASCRIPT and ADS.
        So disabled Javsscript and block ads. POS browsers such as Chrome don’t make it easy to disable javascript or block ads. Malware will always place a start-up entry somewhere or install a service. A simple tool to monitor what is starting up, running and accessing the network is enough to keep you safe. You don’t need huge security suites checking every file that is accessed and slowing your system to a crawl.
        Security paranoia is used to sell more hardware and nudge users onto POS browsers such as Chrome.

        As for Linux you need the hit-and-miss Wine to even attempt to run Windows programme.

        Computer Security Expert

        August 18, 2019 at 11:21 am

      • @ Computer Security Expert (so-called)

        Sorry but you don’t sound like much of a security expert to me.

        You won’t have much of an experience on the web if you disable Javascript (coupled with HTML5 and XML) since pretty much every commercial site uses it (or VBScript) on the client side these days to allow dynamic content to be presented without having to refresh the page. The NHS computer system did not allow normal users to download and/or install executable files or do anything outside of the permissions given to them by system administrators and yet the system was brought down by ransomware which should not have been able to gain access to the system yet did because critical security updates provided by Microsoft for out-of-date Windows XP, which ceased to be supported in 2014 unless you paid a pretty penny, had not been installed in a timely manner.

        https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/12/nhs-hit-major-cyber-attack-hackers-demanding-ransom/

        Why would you want to run many Windows programs on Linux with an emulator like WINE? The only Windows application is do that with is WinRAR because there is no equivalent in the repositories that can compress data using the Roshal’s RAR algorithm. I do run XP on Linux inside a virtual machine using VirtualBox because I have a few pieces of mathematical software that I use which are not compatible with later versions of Windows but apart from that don’t bother with Microsoft at all.

        Good luck to you anyway.

        If you really are still using XP online, or going online with an old computer without recent BIOS updates to protect you from side-channel attacks, on your own head be it. At the very least for goodness sake don’t log-on using an Administrator account if you ever go online so perilously and insecurely. I think your attitude is very, very, very unwise and hope nobody copies you.

        Nuiin

        August 18, 2019 at 4:35 pm

      • @ Nuiin So what you are saying is that we all need to run out and by a brand new quad core Intel i10 with 64GB RAM and a 100 terabyte hard drive running Windows 10 in order to open findajob in Google Chrome?!

        What is the worst that can happen if some scammer sat in an internet cafe in sub-Saharan Africa launches a ‘side channel’ attack and steals your findajob logon credentials? Just open another account. Incidentally, the ‘patch’ for the Stealth/Spectre ‘side channel’ attack crippled older hardware. Who would have thought!

        The NHS attack was down to some clown running some .exe email attachment. The same people who download and install ‘video codecs’ from websites. They could have at least scanned it, ‘froze’ the computer or ‘sandboxed’ the executable. How STUPID can anyone be to do such a thing. Such people shouldn’t be let near a computer never mind an NHS computer. If you ALLOW malware onto your computer what can you expect?

        “Dangerous viruses (or is it virri?) Crook John McAffee make a $fortune out of creating virii and selling us the ‘cure’. It is all a racket!

        STOP falling for MARKETING! Vested interests such as hardware manufacturers want us to live in a state of constant fear and paranoia. “Dangerous viruses (or is it virri?) Corporate crap such as Google are in league with them. MIcro$oft even admitted that the whole point of Vista was to increase hardware requirements. You know like throw perfectly good equipment to landfill. Aren’t these businesses supposed to be ‘green’.

        Most people especially those on benefits, who are the main audience for this blog, cannot afford the latest gee-whiz-bang Cray supercomputer. They might only want a computer to do simple tasks such as ‘job-search’ on POS ‘findajob’ to keep the jobcentre off their back.

        The point is that older hardware/software/browsers are perfectly fine. You just need to be sensible and take a few simple precautions. For the vast majority of attack you need PHYSICAL access to a computer.
        Just don’t let malware on in the first place – it is not rocket science.

        Tim Cook

        August 18, 2019 at 10:38 pm

      • It is always CON-sumers who buy the latest shit. Businesses don’t bother their butt. Take the jobcentre for instance – still running XP and Internet Explorer 6.

        The tried and trusted payment system (white text on a black background) is a DOS programme. It WORKS – unlike the ‘up-to-date’ universal system that mucks up your payment. Change for change’s sake is pointless. If it ain’t broke – don’t fix it!

        Sunitra

        August 18, 2019 at 11:03 pm

      • You still get people who will take a call from “Microsoft” 😀 The ‘agent’ will get them to give them remote access, send them to a website to download and install all sorts of shit. Then they get hacked. Or they click on a ‘link’ in an email “Paypal account verification – your Paypal account will be terminated in 24 hours”. So they click on the link fill in their user name and password, click OK, the fake website then re-directs to the real Paypal website. Then they are hacked. People to the most stupidest of things.

        One of the worst is like when the jobcentre or a provider write you up a CV with all sorts of personal details then post in online on the old universal jobmatch and every ‘job-board’ going. And then you wonder how a Wonga loan was taken out in your name.

        Even worse Working Links staff used to take (maybe still do) your bank card (to prove you work in the UK 😀 ) then take your details and scam your card.

        Ifzina

        August 18, 2019 at 11:54 pm

      • Wow! I can’t believe you guys. Haven’t any of you computer buffs heard of shitloads of CPU vulnerabilities which can only be addressed by both operating system updates AND BIOS updates, e.g.,

        Spectre Variant 1, bounds check bypass,
        Spectre Variant 2, branch target injection,
        Meltdown, rogue data cache load,
        Variant 3a, rogue system register read),
        Variant 4, speculative store bypass,
        Foreshadow (SGX), L1 terminal fault),
        Foreshadow-NG (OS), L1 terminal fault),
        Foreshadow-NG (VMM), L1 terminal fault,
        Fallout, microarchitectural store buffer data sampling (MSBDS),
        ZombieLoad, microarchitectural fill buffer data sampling,
        RIDL, microarchitectural load port data sampling, or
        RIDL, microarchitectural data sampling uncacheable memory?

        If you don’t you really should read up about them and mitigate them by OS updates AND BIOS updates. The trouble is that BIOS updates are only available for fairly modern CPUs which have the right microcode and speed to make use of them. If you’re using an old computer with an old CPU, e.g., Intel Core2 Duo, no BIOS updates will ever be available to protect you online from hacks using side-channel exploits, because they would slow such ancient systems down to a standstill, which is why millions of older computers can never be safely used online using ANY operating system, including Linux, even when properly firewalled and virus protected.

        The reason you should not go online using retired operating systems and/or unsupported computers is because you will not get security updates for your OS and/or BIOS automatically, or at all since flaws in the microcode of older CPUs is unfixable because BIOS updates for CPUs with outmoded internal architecture cannot be engineered without slowing them down so much as to make them unusable.

        You guys are your own worst enemies and I find it incredible that you are so ignorant of the dangers relating to flaws in both the hardware and software you are using dangerously on the web. Please read some articles online about these risks which have been widely advertised in the media. You really are rushing in where angels fear to tread.

        Nuinn

        August 19, 2019 at 7:52 am

      • Holy jeebies! Just checked the BIOS date on the office computers – 1998! That’s is the last update available. As an experiment we tried to load Windows 10 – CPU incompatibility apparently. Something to do with not supporting NX. Should we be scared? But the most important thing is that the hardware still works. These are/were expensive business machines – not consumer-grade rubbish.. All we need our computers for are Office packages and internet access. We will keep on using this equipment until it fails We will take out chances.

        Office Manager

        August 19, 2019 at 8:49 am

      • Hey, office manager! You don’t work for a ‘provider’ by any chance? 😀

        Dafeenah

        August 19, 2019 at 8:54 am

      • Where I work our IT Manager upgraded our XP machines to Windows 7, oh must have been all of two years ago. Think is was something to do with paypal and gambling sites that the bosses use that forced the upgrade.. Anyway, I have checked and the system information says Windows 7 Service Pack One. Updates are disabled. Is is OK to use these computers for our online-banking, Paypal ,social media accounts etc?. All this talk of spectre and zombie side channels has got the office worried. Advice please. Thanks.

        Viyana

        August 19, 2019 at 9:07 am

      • Random example -t Meltdown: Meltdown was discovered in 2018.

        Meltdown is a hardware vulnerability. It allows a rogue process to read all memory, even when it is not authorized to do so.

        A purely software workaround to Meltdown has been assessed as slowing computers between 5 and 30 percentage.

        Meltdown patches may produce performance loss] Spectre patches have been reported to significantly reduce performance, especially on older computers; on the newer eighth-generation Core platforms, benchmark performance drops of 2–14 percent have been measured On 18 January 2018, unwanted reboots, even for newer Intel chips, due to Meltdown and Spectre patches, were reported.[

        Meltdown patches may produce performance loss.[19][20][21] Spectre patches have been reported to significantly reduce performance, especially on older computers; on the newer eighth-generation Core platforms, benchmark performance drops of 2–14 percent have been measured.[22] On 18 January 2018, unwanted reboots, even for newer Intel chips, due to Meltdown and Spectre patches, were reported.[
        Several procedures to help protect home computers and related devices from the Meltdown and Spectre security vulnerabilities have been published.] Meltdown patches may produce performance loss.Spectre patches have been reported to significantly reduce performance, especially on older computers; on the newer eighth-generation Core platforms, benchmark performance drops of 2–14 percent have been measured. On 18 January 2018, unwanted reboots, even for newer Intel chips, due to Meltdown and Spectre patches, were reported. Nonetheless, according to Dell: “No ‘real-world’ exploits of these vulnerabilities [i.e., Meltdown and Spectre] have been reported to date [26 January 2018], though researchers have produced proof-of-concepts.”[24][25] Further, recommended preventions include: “promptly adopting software updates, avoiding unrecognized hyperlinks and websites, not downloading files or applications from unknown sources … following secure password protocols … [using] security software to help protect against malware (advanced threat prevention software or anti-virus).”

        On 15 March 2018, Intel reported that it will redesign its CPU processors to help protect against the Meltdown and related Spectre vulnerabilities (especially, Meltdown and Spectre-V2, but not Spectre-V1), and expects to release the newly redesigned processors later in 2018. On 8 October 2018, Intel is reported to have added hardware and firmware mitigations regarding Spectre and Meltdown vulnerabilities to its latest processors.

        Sales of desktop computers are in decline because hardware is reliable and consumers and businesses are finding that their “ancient machines” function just fine and do all that they want to do. Neither can consumers and businesses be arsed with constant updates and upgrades to their systems and software.
        Wouldn’t you get pissed it your toaster was ‘updating’ every day? So what do manufacturers in the guise of ‘security researchers’ do? The come up with ‘vulnerabilities’ that need to be fixed urgently. But don’t worry, “Intel reported that it will redesign its CPU processors” i.e buy a new machine when you only just bought a new machine six months ago to mitigate Zombieland side-channel attacks. All nothing more than ‘proof of concept’ and no ‘real world attacks’ ever been discovered. And all allow a rogue process to have been allowed to run on the machine in the first place.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_Data_Cache_Load

        Systems Administrator (DWP and Cabinet Office)

        August 19, 2019 at 9:35 am

      • Nobody should be using Windows XP online in 2019. Here’s an article about why from 2016.

        https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2016/04/11/millions-of-people-are-still-running-windows-xp/

        And you shouldn’t go online with computers for which BIOS updates have ended. If you use some operating systems you don’t have to update your onboard BIOS but can load the necessary microcode into RAM after loading the operating system – not with Windows though. There are tools you can use to check whether or not you are vulnerable to attacks from Spectre and Meltdown and other exploits. Personally I wouldn’t go online with a vulnerable system and shop, or use paypal, or enter my credit/debit card details, or anything which involves sensitive information; the worst thing about Spectre/Meltdown etc., is that you cannot detect and/or know whether you’ve been hacked using these channel or not.

        Personally I wouldn’t use a personal computer without it being as secure as possible. You might get away with it for a good long while or you might end up with your paypal/bank account emptied. When you play Russian Roulette you are five times more likely not to blow your brains out than kill yourself, but personally the cost if/when a gamble like that goes wrong is far too high as far as I am concerned. Ditto with computers and operating systems. If you do take a chance and use an old computer with a retired operating system and no recent BIOS/microcode updates online then use it casually and don’t do any online banking or similar which requires user names and passwords.

        (Not a bad idea to enable 2-step verification if you’ve got a mobile phone either, just to be on the safe side.)

        Godfrey the Tippler

        August 19, 2019 at 11:57 am

      • Two-factor authentication is now MANDATORY. You are sent a text message with a code or alternatively a keypad generates a code. Banks aren’t stupid. They ask for the 1st 10th and 50th and 100th character of your password. Then there is memorable information. Your IP and device parameters are also recorded.
        Of course if someone hacks into your email account if could give them some leverage.

        Don’t post personal information online and in particular for jobseekers remove all personal information from your CV, When the now defunct universal jobmatch was up and running anyone could pretend they were an employer and trawl/download anyone’s CV. There is probably a ‘data dump’ of universal jobmatch sat somewhere either being sold or waiting to be uploaded to a torrent.

        Scammers will even hijack your SIM card take over your phone number.as a way of receiving passcodes from your bank.

        Don’t be giving ID to ‘providers’ either. Birth certificate, driving licence, passport. Your driving licence/passport number can be used to ‘verify’ you. Same goes for your national insurance number.
        Once a scammer has a foothold it gives them leverage to complete the next stage of the puzzle.

        Nadia

        August 19, 2019 at 1:21 pm

      • All browsers, even old browsers are secure when they are in secure mode using https. It would be well-nigh impossible for a man-in-the-middle to capture and decrypt your log-in details. They might not support they latest standard TLS 1.3 and RSA 1024 or whatever Cloudfare and the usual suspects are now pushing. Whatever encryption they are employing will be tough nut to crack. The present standards are good enough. The encryption standards that are currently being pushed are not needed for secure connections.

        H4cj

        August 19, 2019 at 1:30 pm

      • We are all going to end up running Windows 10 whether we want to or not.

        Davina Blunt

        August 19, 2019 at 1:34 pm

      • It seems like this Spectre/Meltdown side-channel attack business only applies to DUAL core processors. It all began with the Intel Dual Core processor. It you have a SINGLE core Pentium 4 or older you will be safe from these attacks.

        IT Expert

        August 19, 2019 at 1:56 pm

      • We play around with malware in the datacentre when we get bored. It is interesting to observe what these critters get up to behind the scenes. Typical behaviour is to place a start-up entry under winlogon in the registry (means you need a live CD to nuke it). If you observe the rogue process you can see it phoning home to the ‘mother-ship’, typically an IP address in the Ukraine. You can also observe the keylogger ‘hook’ too. Too bad if you have one of these critters running on your computer than you are unaware of.

        The IT Bods

        August 19, 2019 at 7:18 pm

      • Google Chrome and Firefox are the worst offenders for this ‘telemetry’ shit. i.e. using your bandwidth and resources to report back the the mother-ship. Windows 10 reports everything back, including every keystroke to Micro$haft. Three-letter agency Google is pushing something called DNS over HTTPS. To put it simply is means that Google will receive a full copy of your browsing history. Content delivery and another three-letter agency front Cloudfare is also pushing something called TLS 1.3. Put simply this means that browsers using older ‘engines’ will be unable to communicate with websites (Cloudfare ‘owns’ and controls most of the web) using this unneeded protocol.

        Redhat

        August 20, 2019 at 7:49 am

      • Working Links went into administration. Working Links moved office really frequently. The reason was that they didn’t pay the rent so had to keep on the move. Working Links were pure criminals.

        Working Links Victim

        August 21, 2019 at 12:35 pm

    • you need to do a mr in writing stating the reasons why you are asking for one because if you want to take it to a tribunal then you need the mr letter to send to the court with the sscs1 form. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/appeal-a-social-security-benefits-decision-form-sscs1

      saying you have no valid reason not to have a mr done over there actions means they dont want a mr looked at let alone go to a tribunal lol.

      there bang out of order esp if you are working and can not get there they have done it on purpose just to get you sanctioned imo.

      superted

      August 15, 2019 at 10:33 pm

    • Many thanks everyone for the advice 🙂 I am going to take this all the way. The bastards are not getting away with it.

      Natalie C

      August 16, 2019 at 6:50 am

      • Independent Case Examiner.

        ken

        August 16, 2019 at 8:33 pm

      • Holy mackerel! Are the Jobcentre still using Windows XP? Next year updates, including security updates, cease for Windows 7 and the DWP are still using XP. No wonder they make so many mistakes!

        B. Gates., Esq.

        August 17, 2019 at 5:41 am

      • ‘Security updates’ only slow hardware down. By design? You don’t need to be paranoid about ‘security updates’. You don’t need to be ‘up-to-date’. It is all a crock to sell more hardware and force users onto spyware shit. That is why ‘modern’ browsers are resource hungry spyware-ridden pieces of shit. Windows 7 is damn fine operating system as was Windows XP. Windows 10 is spyware shit on steroids.

        Steve Jobs (deceased)

        August 17, 2019 at 7:49 am

      • Linux is the way to go. Free as air and more secure than any Windows, plus it doesn’t send telemetry to anyone reporting what you’ve been doing on your PC, use your bandwidth to distribute updates to others, or allow Microsoft to access every folder on your computer and/or examine any file remotely as Windows 10 does because if you use it you tacitly agree to allow Microsoft to do this if it wants too as part of the terms and conditions you accept as a user of Windows 10.

        Linux Mint represents a good choice for users moving from Windows to Linux.

        Linus Benedict Torvalds

        August 17, 2019 at 4:25 pm

      • Linux is a shitty user XPerience. It has a long way to go being considered ‘user friendly’. Windows XP and Windows 7 and a lot of the even older Windows ‘builds’ are way better than any Linux ‘flavour’.

        Torvald

        August 17, 2019 at 7:10 pm

  5. Citizens Advice signed gagging clause in return for share of £51m from DWP

    Two charities that will receive £51 million in government funding to provide advice and support to claimants of universal credit (UC) signed gagging clauses that prevent them bringing the Department for Work and Pensions “unfairly” into “disrepute”

    https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/citizens-advice-signed-gagging-clause-in-return-for-share-of-51m-from-dwp/

    ken

    August 16, 2019 at 1:26 am

    • Absolutely.

      I was surprised that they made this critical statement as well.

      Andrew Coates

      August 16, 2019 at 9:55 am

    • At the end of the day £51 Million Pounds is a lot of money for charities who might be struggling in the current climate of austerity. Plenty of people in Vichy France were prepared to collaborate with the Nazis for much less.
      It’s particularly bad when The Citizen’s Advice Bureau does this. Traditionally much valued as a source of independent advice for British Citizens. Now it looks as if they have had ‘their mouths stuffed with gold’, to quote Aneurin Bevan.

      Jeff Smith

      August 16, 2019 at 11:36 am

    • When money talks, morality walks! Brand-new Range Rovers all round 🙂

      CAB Boss

      August 16, 2019 at 1:13 pm

      • We’re seeing more and more of this including at the GP surgery washing their hands.

        The CAB shouldn’t have done that it undermines trust in impartiality and if people will always be given the correct advice or simply put off altogeter,it could come down to who you see.These gagging clauses’ are unnecessary in a fair society.

        ken

        August 16, 2019 at 4:37 pm

    • Why wouldn’t the DWP welcome complete openness and transparency as regards its workings. If all was well there would be no need to gag anybody, surely?

      Camp David

      August 16, 2019 at 6:03 pm

  6. In the future, Earth is ruled by Eternals, an advanced and secret sect of beings who reign over a savage group called Brutals. The Eternals have created a god named Zardoz to intimidate the Brutals, making them believe that killing is their natural state. ( The movie Zardoz , from 1974 ).

    This is strangely similar to Universal Credit, where the DWP reign over a savage group called Claimants. And have created a god named Universal Credit to intimidate the Claimants, making them believe that working is their natural state.

    Lee M.

    August 16, 2019 at 1:51 pm

    • “Born to fish, forced to work”

      — Anon

      Soothsayer

      August 16, 2019 at 3:33 pm

    • Working is not my natural state.

      Dave Blunt

      August 17, 2019 at 1:00 pm

      • Working is no one’s natural state, Dave. Unfortunately like Chairman Mao’s infamous ‘mould’ it looks like we are going to be pressed into whether we want to or not.

        Laiping

        August 17, 2019 at 7:07 pm

  7. Andrew Coates

    August 16, 2019 at 4:34 pm

    • This isn’t making work pay…. It’s making the worker pay.

      Jeff Smith

      August 17, 2019 at 11:09 am

  8. Andrew Coates

    August 17, 2019 at 10:59 am

    • Well, that’s the CAB gone bad now. Bin them and find sumamt else.

      Elsie

      August 17, 2019 at 12:16 pm

  9. Yesterday we had someone from labour knocking on the door. good job I did not answer the door, I would have said scrap UC, get rid of the work and health programme. scrap sanctions lasting more than a week.

    myfinalusername

    August 18, 2019 at 7:51 am

    • Once again Comrade Corbyn has has swerved the main issues like Universal Credit,and gone down some safe little side-road of his own choosing. In this case, Empty Shops in the High Street. Can you believe it ? Perhaps when he’s looking at the empty shops he’ll see some of the people sleeping in them. The ones made homeless by Tory austerity. The sooner Jeremy Corbyn goes as Labour leader the better.

      Tom Sutton

      August 18, 2019 at 10:35 am

      • You can say that again. #Progress

        Terry

        August 18, 2019 at 10:52 am

    • Corbyn needs to go, and Labour needs to make a full public apology to the people of Great Britain. An apology for being such a useless and weak opposition.

      Sam

      August 18, 2019 at 10:43 am

      • Agreed. Corbyn has zero chance of ever becoming prime minister and as long as he leads Labour the party remains unelectable. To be honest I don’t think that Labour has ever had a more witless, less capable, or a thicker leader.

        Lal

        August 19, 2019 at 7:12 am

  10. I want to state quite clearly that I have not sold my soul to anyone. And Boris is not keeping it in a bottle on his desk. That is absolutely untrue. I can get my souls back anytime I want.

    A.Rudd

    August 18, 2019 at 10:47 am

  11. Andrew Coates

    August 18, 2019 at 11:54 am

    • They can’t be serious! We may as well abandon all hope of ever retiring!

      Methuslah

      August 18, 2019 at 12:37 pm

      • This was always going to be a problem when all the benefits are centralised into Universal Credit. The unemployed, disabled, pensioners, everybody.

        Darren

        August 18, 2019 at 1:16 pm

      • In the future there will no retirement, just citizens grateful to spend their lives working for the state.

        Red Andy

        August 18, 2019 at 1:19 pm

    • It’s shite straight out of Iain Duncan Smith’s thinktank the Centre for Social Justice and so when politicians have a good think about it will probably die the death. Shit! Imagine being an agricultural worker or labourer doing hard physical work and expected to try to carry on doing it until you’re 75! Retiring at 75 might be Kool and the Gang for Judges, Doctors, Academics and MPs who have spent decade after decade living like Kings and sitting on their arses but what about manual workers whose bodies suffer a lot of wear and tear? Hell’s Bells! Imagine being in your seventies, unemployed and unable to find a job because employers consider you too elderly, and forced to suffer all of the pangs and evils associated with Universal Credit!

      Thank the lord that I’ll be dead and gone before that bleak day dawns!

      Jim

      August 18, 2019 at 4:46 pm

    • If you retire at 60 you are expected to live for another 18 years, if you retire at 65 you are expected to live for another 18 MONTHS!

      Sophia

      August 18, 2019 at 10:02 pm

      • The normal retirement age for people born in the 1970s is now 67! So presumably anybody born in the 70s or later will die before they retire!

        Kinky

        August 19, 2019 at 7:15 am

    • Everyone, even on those on minimum wage, are ‘opted-in’ to a scam called the ‘workplace pension. What they don’t say is that you are not going to live long enough to collect it!

      Flumpy

      August 18, 2019 at 10:52 pm

    • Fucking stupid Brits 😀 😀 There is a special place in Hell for stupid Brits 😀 😀

      Donald Tusk

      August 19, 2019 at 3:45 pm

    • What are Corbyn’s plans regarding state pension if he ever gets elected? I could be persuaded to vote for Jezza if I get my pension at 45-50.

      N Farage

      August 19, 2019 at 4:09 pm

    • It’s always easy for someone who sits behind a desk and tell you that you have to work till you basically drop. At 75 you’re still hoping that you will still be able to walk unaided and remember where you left your teeth. If you leave school at 16 then you would be working for 59 years be lucky if still alive to claim the state pension

      Faariqah

      August 19, 2019 at 4:15 pm

    • State pension DISGRACE: How UK has worst elderly poverty in western Europe – shock study
      THE UK has the worst poverty rates for the elderly in western Europe and state pensions are to blame, according to a new study.

      The proportion of elderly people who are living in severe poverty in the UK is five times what it was in 1986, the Pension Reforms and Old Age Inequalities in Europe report found. The rate has shot up from 0.9 percent to around 5 percent.

      The findings will come as yet another blow for Britons who want to enjoy their hard-earned retirement.

      It comes after a new think-tank report claimed the state pension age should rise to 70 by 2028 and to 75 by 2035 to help boost Britain’s economy.

      The Centre for Social Justice (CSJ), headed by former Tory leader Iain Duncan-Smith, said evidence suggests the UK is “not responding to the needs and potential” of an ageing workforce, with hundreds of thousands of people aged 50-64 deemed “economically inactive”

      https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1167564/uk-state-pension-poverty-europe

      ken

      August 19, 2019 at 9:46 pm

    • Every nation is having to deal with the costs of ever more older people. We OAPs do cost a lot of money. We are living longer because of the NHS, etc. That also means we are healthier and can work longer (on average). I’m still earning and paying taxes at over 80 and know several others doing the same. Old age is a number, not a disease. Nations need more crew, not more passengers (of which we have 5 million who have never ever worked).

      Old Codger

      August 20, 2019 at 7:21 am

  12. This hasn’t mentioned much before, but is one of the sly changes of the Universal Credit system. Getting rid of Housing Benefit completely in the long-term. And transferring all claimants to different sections of Universal Credit. Unemployed, disabled and retired alike. Then it will only be a question of which Work Group they are going in. And whether they are in a group with work requirements, some restricted requirements, or no requirements.
    Bear in mind that from the medical point of view, many retired claimants will still be more able to do at least some work. Unlike disabled claimants for whom this is not possible. So you have to ask, how long will the DWP allow basically healthy retired claimants to keep getting their Universal Credit without any work requirements at all ?

    Jeff Smith

    August 18, 2019 at 7:17 pm

    • Yep, @Jeff Smith that’s about it. The whole Universal Credit thing was just the start.

      Dave H.

      August 19, 2019 at 9:30 am

    • The whole concept of ever retiring on a state pension putting your feet up, doing some gardening or going fishing is dead in the water.

      Farena

      August 19, 2019 at 9:59 am

  13. Jeremy Corbyn in Ghana ? WTF ? Aren’t there some things he should be attending to in the UK ?

    Disgusted Labour

    August 19, 2019 at 10:13 am

  14. Still perhaps Light Agricultural Work won’t be too bad ? Fresh air, exercise, that sort of thing.

    Moderate Tory

    August 19, 2019 at 10:15 am

    • And good company. Let’s not forget the benefits of social contact and occasional incidents of protracted and ecstatic sexual intercourse with younger people while we’re at it! I’m 74 and still enjoy picking fruit, getting laid, and getting the crops in… although not necessarily in that order.

      Al Zheimer

      August 19, 2019 at 12:06 pm

      • I find picking carrots rather invigorating. Reminds me of my younger days I can tell you.

        Kenneth Parminter

        August 19, 2019 at 12:59 pm

  15. Now is the time for a takeover of the Labour Party. As soon as Corbyn is wheels up out of Heathrow.

    Blue Labour Forever

    August 19, 2019 at 10:17 am

  16. Since there is no government support nor welfare for the elderly or the disabled in North Korea, it is only wise for people to save up for their retirement.

    North Korean people in their 60s and older still have to work either on the farm or at the market in order to make ends meet – NK.News

    Dear Leader

    August 19, 2019 at 12:55 pm

  17. Noting Huw Merriman’s recent weekly digest and his comments on the Conservative Government’s determination to proceed with no-deal Brexit, as well as Amber Rudd’s conversion no-deal or equally be Boris Johnson’s style of leadership, one is left wondering whether either has the interests of the country at heart.

    If we taxpayers weren’t paying interest on the National Debt at the rate of £923 million a week, we would have more than enough to fund the NHS and sort out our roads and housing problems but why do we owe so much?

    Since 1970 the UK balance of trade in goods has steadily declined from a surplus to today’s deficit of £149 billion. We are now importing far more than we export and as a result the government’s borrowing is rapidly increasing, so that in March 2019 the UK’s national dept was £1.80 trillion or about 85.6 % of GDP.

    The Thatcherite economics followed by Major, Blair and Cameron did nothing to halt the decline of manufacturing, crippled the long term productive capacity of the country and the result is now obvious. The recent spate of anti-EU propaganda regurgitated by Jones, Walter and Walsh will not change the fact that the UK has a sliding and devalued pound [down 25% since Brexit], a shrinking economy [UK GDP growth rate fell to -0.2%], the lowest investment in the car industry in years and a collapse in investment into the UK, whereas it has surged 43% in the last three years in the EU.

    It’s no use blaming the EU for decades of our own strategic economic incompetence, nor promoting the populist nostrum of Brexit, as that will not stop the UK’s economic decline.

    https://www.bexhillobserver.net/news/local-mps-huw-merriman-and-amber-rudd-need-to-look-further-than-their-immediate-future-1-9039441

    ken

    August 19, 2019 at 4:33 pm

    • Fears rat hair, maggots and mould might start appearing in British food following post-Brexit trade deal
      US Trade Representative said it was ‘concerned’ about EU measures for ‘food safety and protecting human, animal, or plant life or health’
      Independent.

      https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/food-standards-brexit-uk-us-trade-deal-maggots-rat-hair-worms-insects-mould-products-a8575721.html

      Insect-filled chocolates, rat hair-infested noodles, and orange juice containing maggots are just some of the “horrors” UK consumers could be forced to accept if post-Brexit Britain signs a wide-ranging trade deal with the USA.

      In the US, producers adhere to a “Defects Levels Handbook,” which sets out the maximum number of foreign bodies like maggots, insect fragments and mould that can be in food products before they are put on the market.

      For example, US producers are allowed to include up to 30 insect fragments in a 100g jar of peanut butter; as well as 11 rodent hairs in a 25g container of paprika; or 3mg of mammalian excreta (typically rat or mouse excrement) per each pound of ginger.

      In the EU there are no allowable limits for foreign bodies in food products.

      MPs told Business Insider they are worried that a UK-US trade deal designed by Brexiteers could open the floodgates to contaminated food.

      “Clearly, The Tories have some very unpleasant surprises for UK dinner tables if they have their way with a fast-track trade deal with the United States,” Bill Esterson, the shadow trade minister, said.

      “We know the Tories are keen on chlorine-washed chicken and hormone-fed beef but they surely cannot expect that the British public will be happy to swallow these other horrors.”

      Andrew Coates

      August 19, 2019 at 4:43 pm

      • We have been importing sweet potatoes from the US for a long while now. Trade deal? The US is the biggest producers of sweet potatoes. They do taste a bit funny and off though. Nothing like what we used to be able to buy.

        Foodie

        August 19, 2019 at 4:51 pm

      • “chlorine-washed chicken”??! pre-packed salad is washed in chlorine. Tap water has chlorine – lots of it!

        Foodie

        August 19, 2019 at 5:02 pm

      • “hormone-fed fed” – you would have to buy organic beef to hormones in UK. All non-organic meat and dairy has hormones.

        Foodie

        August 19, 2019 at 5:04 pm

      • yeah, and US milk – 50% anti-freeze/50% arsenic!

        celia

        August 19, 2019 at 5:52 pm

    • ‘No-deal brexit’ is a missioner, ken. What you mean to say is ‘leave the UK. We were asked in the 2016: “Do you want the UK to Remain a member of the EU or to Leave the EU”. No mention of ‘deals’, ‘no deals;. Nobody voted for a ‘deal’, We voted to Leave the EU. It was a democratic vote, fairly held that nobody doubts to validity of. The UK must Leave the UK. If Boris doesn’t pull this off the Conservatives will be toast. Do you really want to see Corbyn/McDonnell enter No. 10 Downing Street by the back door? Well, do you, ken?

      Hyacinth Bucket

      August 19, 2019 at 4:45 pm

    • No-deal brexit’ is a missioner, ken. What you mean to say is ‘leave the EU. We were asked in the 2016: “Do you want the UK to Remain a member of the EU or to Leave the EU”. No mention of ‘deals’, ‘no deals;. Nobody voted for a ‘deal’, We voted to Leave the EU. It was a democratic vote, fairly held that nobody doubts to validity of. The UK must Leave the UK. If Boris doesn’t pull this off the Conservatives will be toast. Do you really want to see Corbyn/McDonnell enter No. 10 Downing Street by the back door? Well, do you, ken?

      Hyacinth Bucket

      August 19, 2019 at 4:46 pm

      • @Hyacinth – that’s about the only way they’ll get in. No-one is going to vote for them.

        Disgusted Labour

        August 19, 2019 at 7:47 pm

      • If Corbyn and McDonnell were in No. 10 for only five minutes that would be enough time for them to destroy the country, destroy the economy, trash the pound and render people’s savings.worthless.

        Ex-Labour Voter

        August 20, 2019 at 6:46 am

      • Corbyn and McDonnell are cut from the same cloth as Chavez of Venezuela and Fernandez of Argentina. And both those countries are basket cases,

        Hugo Chavez

        August 20, 2019 at 6:59 am

      • Thing is if you vote for a bad government you can get rid of it after five years or less but the vote to leave the EU will probably last forever and only 4% of the vote swung it for leave. That isn’t a ringing endorsement for so major a decision. Everybody claimed that we could leave the EU with a favourable deal which would give us all the benefits of EU membership minus the EU influence. Nigel Farage certainly did saying that the UK held all the cards and the EU would roll over and give us whatever we wanted because we bought more from them than they bought from us and the Germans would want to continue to sell us cars and such like. I reckon we really should have a second referendum to cinch the matter once and for all because all the polls say that after seeing what’s coming more people these days favour remaining in the EU than leaving, especially after all the proven lies that Boris and his Brexiteer buddies spun during the referendum campaign. People now are much better informed than they were then when the lie was that leaving the EU would either keep things as they are or make them better which obviously isn’t the case.

        The fate of the nation should not be decided by Boris, made prime minister wholly at the whim of members of the Tory party, and the very worst imaginable Conservative cabinet with Dominic Cummings pulling their strings. Let the people vote again on this matter and then if they want to secede from the EU let’s do so and suffer the consequences of being a small island nation alone in a world and at the mercy of resurgent economic powers like China and Trump’s America.

        Turning ourselves into a small declining island nation isolated from the economic might and biggest single market in history is far too serious a decision to take by mistake or get wrong by design. The people have heard the chimes at midnight. Let the British people speak again have one final say in respect to committing ourselves to this fate.

        Heart of Oak

        August 20, 2019 at 7:57 am

      • @ Heart of Oak Your are trotting out the same old Remoaner arguments. “It wasn’t a decisive enough majority”. There are MPs sat in Parliament with a ONE VOTE majority. That is how DEMOCRACY works.
        “Peoples’ Vote” Was it animals who voted the first time? Why not just ‘fess up and admit that you have a vested interest in remaining in the EU 😉 Is your name Jo Swinson by any chance? Or maybe even your sister is an academic who receives large funds from the EU? [not naming names]. Let us have a bit of honesty for crying out loud.

        Your big problem though is that the vast majority of the voting public are not stupid in particular the working classes who have undergone a vast reduction in the living standards ever since we have been a member of the ‘Common Market’, you know, what Ted Heath tricked up into signing up for ;: Even then the ‘doomsayers’ who spoke of an impending Federalist State we derided, mocked and scolded.

        The only decent, fair and democratic thing to do is to Leave the EU. There is nothing to stop us re-applying. And there will be bad actors out there who try their utmost to sabotage and undermine the UK’s endeavour to flourish outside of the European superstate. “Give it another six months till Armageddon”.

        In all truth we may already have left the EU. Fixed dates, or crashing out* if you are prefer maybe a red herring 😉

        *you can only crash into something, but you can break free of something 🙂

        Anyway, chin and up and keep calm. And give me a call on LBC if you want a proper discussion.

        Nigel

        Nigel Farage

        August 20, 2019 at 8:28 am

      • PS Many apologies for any typos – I am on the train.

        Nigel Farage

        August 20, 2019 at 8:31 am

      • @ Nigel Farage

        A referendum is NOT a general election, Nigel: a referendum lasts forever and general election for no more than five years. It’s all right for you, my old son. You can live for the rest of your life from your fat EU pension, which you seem to be happy to accept from an institution which you despise, or hand-outs from dodgy rich friends like Aaron Banks, and have said that if leaving the EU wrecks the country you will leave it and live abroad in exile for the rest of your life, probably somewhere comfortable and warm like the South of France I would imagine. And if we eventually are shamed into having to reapply to join the EU, cap in hand, because trade deals with other nations fail massively to make up for the loss of the arrangement we enjoy now with the other 27 European nations left in the EU, we will never get as good a deal with or influence over the bloc as we have now.

        I really hope if we leaving the EU, if it happens, turns out to be successful and allows us all to leave in a much more prosperous, enlightened and happy country. Unfortunately as far as I can see leaving the EU ten years after a global economic crash, from which we have not yet recovered, and going it alone in a predatory world will be more like an exercise in self-mutilating madness without parallel in the history of a United Kingdom which looks more and more likely to fall apart in the foreseeable future and what ruins are left to decline progressively into economic irrelevance and international insignificance.

        The only good thing about Brexit is the likely self-destruction of the Conservative party. If the UK fails to leave the EU the Conservatives get burned alive because a majority of their supporters will desert them and if we leave and the country ends up seriously harmed and very significantly damaged the Conservatives will be crushed by the backlash directed towards the party that took the country out of the EU and wrecked the UK’s prosperity.

        Unless Brexit turns out to be a rip-roaring success one or the other will happen without a doubt.

        Win-win.

        Braveheart

        August 20, 2019 at 10:46 am

      • If Boris pulls if off and leads us to a prosperous future outside of the EU he will go down as the Greatest Prime Minister in history. On the other hand if Boris fails to pull it off, backtracks, dilly-dallies and does a deal that is Brexit in name only the and the Conservative Party are toast. Boris will join the likes of Iain Duncan Smith as yet another “failed Tory leader”. We then face the prospect of a Marxist Corbyn/McDonnell-led Government. Interesting times!

        Mystic Meg

        August 20, 2019 at 11:20 am

      • @ Mystic Meg

        If Boris Johnson effects Brexit AND the country becomes more prosperous, secure, successful and better he will be lauded as a great prime minister and leader of a great party. On the other hand if Brexit happens while Boris Johnson is PM and the country founders becoming less influential, poorer and ends up putty in the hands of the Americans and Chinese he will be remembered as an abject failure, like Lord North who was PM when Great Britain lost America, and the Conservative party ruined, possibly even destroyed, as a result.

        Personally I think the effect of Brexit on the nation will be bad to begin with and eventually neutral (with us being much the same as we are now) or accelerated decline (where we become progressively poorer and less important) but at least the people in charge of Brexit are the Brexiteers most responsible for dropping the country in the shite where it finds itself and will garner praise or shoulder condemnation depending on whether Brexit is a rip-roaring success or not.

        I think that Brexit will bad and baleful for the country’s future but would love to be proven wrong for the sake of poorer Britons. I can’t really see how the United Kingdom, alone, cast adrift from its most proximate and important trading partnerships is going to do better negotiating free trade deals with foreign countries than the EU has been acting as a bloc.

        Perhaps British people would rather have incandescent light bulbs and bendy bananas to wealth and power.

        Braveheart

        August 20, 2019 at 12:39 pm

      • We are ALREADY feeling the effects of Brexit – rubbish sweet potatoes from the USA, fresh tomato juice gone, Ethiopian coffee gone.

        The Shopaholics

        August 20, 2019 at 12:46 pm

      • We cannot stop trading with Europe. We will still want our French wine, Moser-Roth, Belgian chocolate, Dutch Stroopwafels and tomato juice. And the Gerries are still going to want to sell us BMWs and Audis.
        Unless you envision a future of us all eating chlorinated chicken and driving Ford f-150 pick-up trucks.

        Badaya

        August 20, 2019 at 12:54 pm

      • @ Braveheart – do you think Jean-Claude Juncker and the rest of Europe are going to give up on shorttbread and Scotch whisky easily?

        Jabirah

        August 20, 2019 at 1:01 pm

    • “Insect-filled chocolates”. USA chocolates are vomit-inducing. Hersheys; taste like sick. It will be a sad day if imports of delicious Moser-Roth chocolate ceases.

      Foodie

      August 19, 2019 at 4:54 pm

    • “3mg of mammalian excreta (typically rat or mouse excrement) per each pound of ginger.”?! All UK ginger is sourced from China. When did China join the EU?

      Foodie

      August 19, 2019 at 4:58 pm

  18. But you’ll soon get used to the taste of chlorine after a couple of years. Then if they took it away people would soon be saying where’s my chlorine ?

    Moderate Tory

    August 19, 2019 at 7:45 pm

  19. ”But sir, in the service, one must always choose the lesser of two weevils!”
    Captain Jack Aubrey – Master & Commander

    Hard Tack

    August 19, 2019 at 7:59 pm

  20. Chlorinated Chicken , it’s a foul concept.
    Don’t do it, give it the bird.

    Darren

    August 19, 2019 at 8:04 pm

  21. British children so hungry they eat loo paper and scavenge in bins, says charity

    Laurence Guinness, chief executive of the Childhood Trust, has warned of ‘holiday hunger’ and said parents are not able to feed their children over the summer without free school meals

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-children-hungry-eat-loo-18957247

    ken

    August 19, 2019 at 9:57 pm

    • This is getting ridiculous, ken. Human beings are not ruminants. They cannot digest cellulose. Next are you going to say that hungry schoolkids are being reduced to eating grass 😀

      Daisy the Cow

      August 20, 2019 at 6:52 am

  22. Like a EUSSR? 🙂 But hasn’t that idea been tried before? 😉

    Joseph Stalin

    August 21, 2019 at 2:43 pm


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