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The Moral Diseconomy of Universal Credit.

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How the Crowd Reacted to Injustice in the Past.

It is possible to detect in almost every eighteenth-century crowd action some legitimising notion. By the notion of legitimation I mean that the men and women in the crowd were informed by the belief that they were defending traditional rights or customs; and, in general, that they were supported by the wider consensus of the community. On occasion this popular consensus was endorsed by some measure of licence afforded by the authorities. More commonly, the consensus was so strong that it overrode motives of fear or deference.”

Libcom: The moral economy of the English crowd in the eighteenth century – E. P. Thompson

Last night I listed to this on the wireless (with a mug of Co-Op 99 Tea…): Polling Badly. Archive on 4.

“Bad policy or badly implemented? Sarah Smith explores what went wrong with the Poll Tax. Have lessons been learned or is Universal Credit a repeat of history?”

The first thing that struck me about the Poll Tax was that the “Community Charge” was so disliked, without going into the obvious details, what that is went against the “consensus” that by right the poor did not get taxed as much as the rich. The better off (who make their money from the rest) should pay their whack out of their accumulated dosh. The Duke and Dustman having to fork out the same cash to pay for local services ran up against everything that people traditionally thought.

The programme then went into the way the Poll Tax was implemented.

A lot simpler than Universal Credit (UC) you may say.

One mob, the Tory lot, thought it a grand idea, since who cared about the poor – not them! – and it would all mean less expense for their well off crowd.

That was not the view of local authorities who saw their revenues crash as people either (1) could not or (2) would not pay up. (3) Disappeared from the electoral register so they would not even get a payment demand.

As E.P.Thompson might have said, the “crowd”, that is, everybody affected badly, got so angry that people rioted against it.

When they got to UC the focus was all about the implementation, the principle, putting benefits all together, was apparently, fine.

They didn’t go into much detail but it was obvious, bleeding obvious, that a system based ‘on-line’ would first of all run into problems (1) The private chancers who designed the computer systems are not bright enough to design a way to make this work properly, and (2) Not everybody is ‘on line’, able to use computers, get access to them, and all the rest. (3) Putting Coachy in charge of the ‘journal’ you are meant to fill in, as a religious duty…..

Next comes the detail, the way that waiting for weeks before you get money, sanctions, and the way that rent cash in hand can easily be spent immediately on other things.

Then there is the thorny issue of “in work” benefits with “conditionality”. That means people having to prove they are looking for better wages, for more hours, and the famous ‘job search’.

We could continue, and our contributors have.

Poll Tax Defeat.

The Poll Tax, they said on Polling Badly, was defeated because everybody was concerned.

And non-payment cut its roots out.

Not everyone is snarled up in Universal Credit.

But a hell of a lot of us are.

We cannot refuse to get paid!

But there’s a crowd of us all the same.

Universal Credit goes against the “Moral economy” principle that people unable to work should be entitled to a decent minimum to survive on, and those in work who need benefits should get them without being spied on, made to fulfill demeaning job search requirements, and not getting the money they need to live on.

This does not look like the end of the misery.

But Lo!

The “independent liberal conservative think tank”, “the modernising wing of the Tory party”,  Bright Blue has the answers……

Universal Credit proposal for ‘helping hand’ payout to end nightmare wait for cash (Birmingham Live).

Thinktank also suggests launch of Universal Credit phone app and live chat option

Among the problems associated with the Government’s new Universal Credit system are the nightmare five-week wait for the first payment and the online access that’s required.

These issues could be resolved if a series of new proposals are adopted, says thinktank and pressure group Bright Blue.

More  from the same ThinkTank: (TeesideLive)

DWP should pay compensation for late Universal Credit payments, report recommends

A think-tank has identified a number of issues, which could have helped hundreds of thousands of people

Written by Andrew Coates

March 17, 2019 at 11:25 am

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  1. “An ongoing out-of-work claimant,or claimant that still need to find further work, should be awarded a supplement on their future UC awards if they are consistently meeting the most demanding conditions around job seeking and preparation set by their work coach (Rewards for good girls and boys).”

    A sanction in reverse like a Jobcentre ‘no claims bonus’.

    Wheel Balance

    March 17, 2019 at 12:24 pm

  2. The Bright Blue report is just more Tory spin. Suggest a few tiny changes while still driving through all the main Universal Credit policies. It’s still about forcing people off benefits and into carefully-controlled, working poverty instead.

    Jeff Smith

    March 17, 2019 at 2:09 pm

  3. Exactly Jeff! Got it in one! A truly invidious place to be with no chance of escape. Just as Orwell described imagine a boot worn by the Jobcentre and some slave-driver employer stamping down on your face until you die!

    Amber Crud

    March 17, 2019 at 2:22 pm

  4. There is a reason why the toll out of universal credit keeps being deferred and it isn’t because the DWP want to get it right. It is because the DWP knows full well that UC causes the poorest and most vulnerable claimants to fall into debt and rent arrears – the perverse design of UC guarantees that this will happen – and now, as is becoming slowly evident, causes food bank usage, poverty, eviction and homelessness to balloon amongst a significant number of UC recipients, that if UC was suddenly inflicted upon millions of individuals while “migrating” armies of people receiving any of the six legacy benefits that UC replaces onto UC that a catastrophe on that scale, involving huge numbers of citizens, including children, being plunged into debt and poverty, en masse, would surely end up bringing down the government.

    The DWP are not slowing down the roll out of UC because it is concerned about ill effects on claimants.

    They must realise, better than anybody, what a train wreck universal credit is.

    They are over a barrel really.

    Roll UC out quickly and the reputational damage the government would suffer would be unacceptable and yet rolling it it slowly would involve admitting that the new benefit still isn’t fit for purpose, hopelessly flawed, and still immensely damaging to large numbers of the poor and vulnerable causing unacceptable, possibly fatal reputational damage to a failing government.

    As far as I am concerned the f*ckers presiding over this atrocious mess deserve all that’s coming to them.

    Christopher

    March 17, 2019 at 2:46 pm

  5. Without the smokescreen of Brexit universal credit would be THE national scandal of the day.

    Dodgy

    March 17, 2019 at 2:51 pm

  6. Reblogged this on sdbast.

    sdbast

    March 17, 2019 at 3:40 pm

  7. I have heard from a very reliable source that “work coach’s” get £200 for every poor soul who they sanction! No wonder they hand them out like sweets,greedy f£ckers.

    Violet

    March 17, 2019 at 7:47 pm

  8. Reblogged this on Britain Isn't Eating!.

    A6er

    March 17, 2019 at 10:37 pm

  9. Parents of 35-year-old with learning difficulties blast “shocking” lack of support

    THE parents of a vulnerable man from Aberbargoed have spoken of their frustration at what they see as the continued failings of their son’s support services.

    https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/17506892.parents-of-35-year-old-with-learning-difficulties-blast-shocking-lack-of-support/

    ken

    March 18, 2019 at 12:58 am

  10. And even now, what is Labour going to do about Universal Credit ?

    Alan Turner

    March 18, 2019 at 3:58 pm

    • New figures show one in 39 people in the UK are claiming benefits

      An extra 100,000 individuals were put on universal credit since December

      In some areas this ratio is even higher, as in Hartlepool one in every ten people are claiming benefits.

      The system was due to be implemented nationwide by 2017, however management failures, IT blunders and design faults have meant that it has already fallen at least six years behind schedule.

      Universal credit has also been beset with problems, with the government facing several legal challenges in the High Court including one that argues that the system has a “disproportionately adverse effect” on disabled claimants.

      many finding themselves worse off than they were on legacy benefits as well as having nothing to live on during the transition period of over a month.

      These flaws in the system have put poorer claimants at a heightened risk of hunger, ill-health, homelessness, debt and rent arrears.

      https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/new-figures-show-one-39-15981148

      ken

      March 19, 2019 at 12:47 am

  11. Jobseekers Beware: When you are put on one of these Jobcentre schemes, sanctions etc. it shoots a hole in your National Insurance contribution record. You need at least 42 ‘qualifying years to receive a full State Pension (assuming you retire). If you want to make up the ‘gap years’ you have to pay. You can only pay for the past six years.

    Pension Expert

    March 18, 2019 at 4:09 pm

    • Wrong. You only need 35 qualifying years to get the full “New State Pension”, for a men born on or after 6 April 1951 and women born on or after 6 April 1953, and, if you have gaps in your NI record, you can, if you choose to, pay voluntary contributions to plug gaps whenever they have occurred. This may or may not give you a higher pension and you are advised to secure financial advice before doing this to determine whether you actually might benefit from doing this, e.g., if you already have 35 years worth of NI on you record plugging any gaps would make no difference to your entitlement.

      https://www.gov.uk/state-pension/eligibility

      https://www.gov.uk/voluntary-national-insurance-contributions

      Terrence Denver Toy

      March 18, 2019 at 6:37 pm

      • I had this many years ago when unemployed back then NI cotributions were also stopped,sanctions are nothing new just the way they are interpreted today,the appeal was won back then I have no idea the the contributions were reawarded.

        People will have to rely on pension credit,this used to claimable at 60 but now much older,the likelyhood of finding work diminishes rapidly with age 50’s are a real problem age and over 60’s face even much tougher conditions,the age thing is embedded into societie’s thinking much like mental health,another situation where what the govenment say’s doesn’t carry any weight,it’s very unfair but people are written off.

        ken

        March 18, 2019 at 8:26 pm

  12. DWP Minister Rejects Link Between Universal Credit And Foodbanks, Despite Amber Rudd Suggesting Otherwise

    A government minister has insisted there is no direct link between the rollout of Universal Credit and a spike in the number of people relying on foodbanks – despite the fact his boss Amber Rudd has already admitted to it.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/dwp-minister-denies-universal-credit-foodbank-use_uk_5c8fc35ce4b0d50544fe49de?

    ken

    March 18, 2019 at 9:31 pm

    • ken

      what do expect they all have shit for brains live in a different dimension in a galaxy far far away 😉

      superted

      March 18, 2019 at 11:43 pm

    • Yea. Like how could a minimum five week wait before anyone gets universal credit entitlements, coupled with a four year freeze on benefit rate rises (to keep entitlements in line with inflation) and hundreds of pounds of council tax charged to benefit claimants by local authorities could have anything to do with food poverty in particular and poverty in general? The freeze has already reduced benefits by 7% in real terms and council tax by up to 10% depending on where claimants live. How could receiving 17% less in already inadequate benefits possibly drive people to food banks and into poverty?

      Are all ministers functionally innumerate?

      (Or just unconscionable liars?)

      Ro

      March 19, 2019 at 8:13 am

  13. BREAKING NEWS

    The number of employed people in the UK has risen again, to a new record number of 32.7 million people between November and February, official figures show.

    That is the highest figure since records began in 1971.

    Unemployment fell by 35,000 between November and January to 1.34 million, putting the rate below 4% for the first time since 1975.

    The figure is 112,000 lower than a year ago, giving a jobless rate of 3.9%, well below the EU average of 6.5%.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47622415

    BBC

    March 19, 2019 at 9:40 am

    • So if “work is the best way out of poverty”, as the government claims, why is there still so much grinding poverty with so many people in work?

      Ro

      March 19, 2019 at 11:35 am

    • Why then has food bank usage only ever increased since 2010, never peaking, never plateauing, never falling, if unemployment is now at a record low? More to the point: When will food bank usage start declining? Don’t the government realise that most poverty is these days in-work poverty not out-of-work poverty? And that most child poverty occurs in households where at least one person IS in work? When will society wake up to this sorry state of affairs?

      James

      March 19, 2019 at 11:59 am

      • So are the number’s rising having to look in the journal,Theres hard core unemployment out there,even in better off areas theres pocket’ of severe deprivation with the gap between the better off growing.Low pay is crippeling people.

        ken

        March 19, 2019 at 12:46 pm

  14. Andrew Coates

    March 19, 2019 at 10:37 am

    • Liam Byrne is the New Labour tw@t who, when secretary of state for work and pensions, wanted to “regionalise” benefits because the thought people living in cheaper areas were being paid too much. i.e., the same as people living in expensive areas, and weren’t being driven into work quickly enough because their benefits were too generous.

      Ro

      March 19, 2019 at 11:39 am

      • Perhaps like Saint Paul he’s finally seen the light. Probably not though all things considered.

        James

        March 19, 2019 at 12:00 pm

  15. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    March 19, 2019 at 1:08 pm

  16. Bye bye Sarah Newton the Disabled Minister. Bye bye Amber Useless Rudd the DWP Minister.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    March 19, 2019 at 1:11 pm

  17. MPs to investigate link between Universal Credit and ‘survival sex’

    20/03/19
    9:30 AM
    BY NATHANIEL BARKER
    A cross-party group of MPs is set to investigate the possible link between Universal Credit and so-called ‘survival sex’

    “The Work and Pensions Select Committee is calling for evidence about the government’s flagship benefit programme and its link to women selling sex to meet their basic survival needs, such as food and shelter.

    It said it has decided to launch the investigation as part of its ongoing Universal Credit inquiry and in response to news reports that increasing numbers of people are becoming involved in survival sex as a direct result of welfare reforms.”

    https://www.insidehousing.co.uk/news/mps-to-investigate-link-between-universal-credit-and-survival-sex-60661

    Andrew Coates

    March 20, 2019 at 12:26 pm

  18. What are ’employability skills’? And do YOU have them?

    Employability skills are necessary for obtaining, sustaining and progressing in a job. They include:

    Basic IT, literacy, and numeracy skills.

    Soft skills such as communication, team working, customer handling, problem solving, and planning and organising skills.

    Attributes/behaviours desired by employers such as initiative and flexibility.

    Changes in the structure of the UK economy and labour market over the past few decades have made employability skills even more important to have.

    According to The Employability Challenge (UKCES 2009) core aspects of developing successful employability programmes include:

    Experimental action learning: using and understanding the value of skills rather than simply acquiring knowledge.

    Work experience: preferably through work placements, but otherwise in classroom activity that simulates workplace characteristics.

    Reflection and integration: preparing to put the employability skills into practice within different environments.

    http://www.employabilityinscotland.com/employability-pipeline/the-employability-pipeline/employability-skills-development/

    Angie

    March 20, 2019 at 2:39 pm

  19. Official – Personal
    Participant ID No (CMS ID):
    WHP2 Partner Information Sharing Consent

    We work in Southern England with other organisations/partners to make sure that you
    receive all the services you need, when you need them. We want to focus on your particular
    needs to make sure that you get the right support.

    Sharing your information will help us to support you better by:
    • Helping the team give you the best advice about services in your local area
    • Helping partners understand how they can improve services to you
    • Allowing the team to contact you to provide help and support with any problems you
    may have or which may worry you (for example housing issues)
    • Offering help and support to you by talking about your needs and how partners can
    help
    To help us do this, we want to share your personal information with each other. The
    exchange of information will take place mainly by representatives of some or all of the
    partners listed below.

    The information we may share is about:
    • Your name; date of birth; address, contact telephone number and contact email
    address
    • Benefits received and support to find employment (for example which benefits you
    received, when these are due for review, support you are being provided to become
    more ready for work, conditions of your benefit receipt and when these may
    change)
    • Transport issues (for example access to transport)
    • Housing matters (for example tenancy type, rent arrears, fixed abode)
    • Family matters (for example your current and former relationships, children and
    stepchildren, domestic routines and environment)
    • Health information (for example any disabilities , illnesses, mental health problems,
    addictions/dependencies, support you receive)
    • Relevant police and probation information (for example any conditions that you are
    under, previous convictions, police involvement at your address)
    • Qualifications, work history and career aims
    The Work and Health Programme is co-financed by the European Social Fund.
    Document Name
    WHP2 – Partner Information Sharing Consent
    Version Control
    V1.3
    Effective Date
    12.03.2018
    Owner
    Information Governance Manager
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    Official – Personal
    The other agencies that Pluss works with are: Maximus, Abilities, Activate, Kennedy Scott,
    Wheatsheaf, Portsmouth City Council, European Social Fund, Jobcentre Plus, Department
    for Work & Pensions and suppliers listed within the Opportunities Unlimited Intervention
    Framework.
    Pluss will only share your personal information for reasons mentioned above unless the law
    says we are required to share it for another reason, or as believe we must share the
    information to protect you or others. If in this process we obtain information that is relevant to
    benefits that you receive we may contact you further to ensure your entitlement is correct.

    Your information will be stored securely until December 2026. You may withdraw your
    consent to share your personal information by contacting Pluss in writing.

    Consent to share your personal information

    I …………………………………………………………………………… (print ful name)

    have had the above information explained to me, including any consequences of not sharing
    Health/Social Care information and I am happy for my personal information to be shared.

    Signed ………………………………………………………….. Date ……………………

    Provider signed ………………………………………………… Date ……………………

    I am*
    happy for you to share any relevant Health/Social Care information and
    I am not* understand that I can change my mind at any time.
    (* strikeout as appropriate)

    Signed ………………………………………………………….. Date ……………………

    OR: I am happy for you to share any relevant Health/Social Care information apart from
    (please tell us below) and understand that I can change my mind at anytime

    ……………………………………………………………………………………………………………
    ……………………………………………………………………………………………………………

    Signed ………………………………………………………….. Date ……………………………….

    The Work and Health Programme is co-financed by the European Social Fund.
    Document Name
    WHP2 – Partner Information Sharing Consent
    Version Control
    V1.3
    Effective Date
    12.03.2018
    Owner
    Information Governance Manager
    Page
    2 of 2

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/555609/response/1333788/attach/html/6/WHP2%20Partner%20Information%20Sharing%20Consent%20V1.3.pdf.html

    Zola the Warrior

    March 20, 2019 at 4:16 pm

  20. The information we may share is about:
    • Your name; date of birth; address, contact telephone number and contact email
    address
    • Benefits received and support to find employment (for example which benefits you
    received, when these are due for review, support you are being provided to become
    more ready for work, conditions of your benefit receipt and when these may
    change)
    • Transport issues (for example access to transport)
    • Housing matters (for example tenancy type, rent arrears, fixed abode)
    • Family matters (for example your current and former relationships, children and
    stepchildren, domestic routines and environment)
    • Health information (for example any disabilities , illnesses, mental health problems,
    addictions/dependencies, support you receive)
    • Relevant police and probation information (for example any conditions that you are
    under, previous convictions, police involvement at your address)
    • Qualifications, work history and career aims
    The Work and Health Programme is co-financed by the European Social Fund.

    Effective Date
    12.03.2018
    Owner
    Information Governance Manager
    Page
    1 of 2

    Official – Personal
    The other agencies that Pluss works with are: Maximus, Abilities, Activate, Kennedy Scott,
    Wheatsheaf, Portsmouth City Council, European Social Fund, Jobcentre Plus, Department
    for Work & Pensions and suppliers listed within the Opportunities Unlimited Intervention
    Framework.
    Pluss will only share your personal information for reasons mentioned above unless the law
    says we are required to share it for another reason, or as believe we must share the
    information to protect you or others. If in this process we obtain information that is relevant to
    benefits that you receive we may contact you further to ensure your entitlement is correct.

    Your information will be stored securely until December 2026. You may withdraw your
    consent to share your personal information by contacting Pluss in writing.

    Consent to share your personal information

    I …………………………………………………………………………… (print ful name)

    have had the above information explained to me, including any consequences of not sharing
    Health/Social Care information and I am happy for my personal information to be shared.

    Signed ………………………………………………………….. Date ……………………

    Provider signed ………………………………………………… Date ……………………

    I am*
    happy for you to share any relevant Health/Social Care information and
    I am not* understand that I can change my mind at any time.
    (* strikeout as appropriate)

    Signed ………………………………………………………….. Date ……………………

    OR: I am happy for you to share any relevant Health/Social Care information apart from
    (please tell us below) and understand that I can change my mind at anytime

    ……………………………………………………………………………………………………………
    ……………………………………………………………………………………………………………

    Signed ………………………………………………………….. Date ……………………………….

    The Work and Health Programme is co-financed by the European Social Fund.
    Document Name
    WHP2 – Partner Information Sharing Consent
    Version Control
    V1.3
    Effective Date
    12.03.2018
    Owner
    Information Governance Manager
    Page
    2 of 2

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/555609/response/1333788/attach/html/6/WHP2%20Partner%20Information%20Sharing%20Consent%20V1.3.pdf.html

    Zola the Warrior

    March 20, 2019 at 4:19 pm

  21. The information we may share is about:
    • Your name; date of birth; address, contact telephone number and contact email
    address
    • Benefits received and support to find employment (for example which benefits you
    received, when these are due for review, support you are being provided to become
    more ready for work, conditions of your benefit receipt and when these may
    change)
    • Transport issues (for example access to transport)
    • Housing matters (for example tenancy type, rent arrears, fixed abode)
    • Family matters (for example your current and former relationships, children and
    stepchildren, domestic routines and environment)
    • Health information (for example any disabilities , illnesses, mental health problems,
    addictions/dependencies, support you receive)
    • Relevant police and probation information (for example any conditions that you are
    under, previous convictions, police involvement at your address)
    • Qualifications, work history and career aims
    The Work and Health Programme is co-financed by the European Social Fund.

    Zola the Warrior

    March 20, 2019 at 4:20 pm

  22. Everything you tell provider goes back to wc even contents of so called private conversations to provider.

    Whilst attending a provider, everything you tell wc about provider also goes back to provider.

    So watch what you say to these people.

    Birdwoman

    March 20, 2019 at 4:27 pm

    • dont sign it then 😉

      superted

      March 20, 2019 at 4:43 pm

  23. It’s hard not to feel sorry for Tom Watson at Prime Minister’s Questions.
    He looks like someone watching a failed comedian.
    The bored looks at Corbyn as he falls flat again.
    That feeling that it’s just no good, and it’s not going to get any better.

    Jeff Smith

    March 20, 2019 at 5:00 pm

  24. Bye bye Theresa May. The UK Bill Of Rights is not going to happen. So we are still in the UN Human Rights Act which is what Brexit is about covering up the UK’s State Sponsored Murders aka Genocide on its people for profit & targets. Political suicide of welfare reform Political suicide over Brexit yet Corporate Manslaughter can’t help you. Theresa May you have to kill off every MP to get Brexit like killing off every disabled person to get your wish of a real dictatorship. High risk gambles with suicide at its foundation. Once the Tories are out they are in front of the UN for Human Rights Breeches against the UK people from UC santions to no bog rolls in schools. No Brexit no Welfare Reforms aka Suicide. Bully For You.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    March 20, 2019 at 9:40 pm

    • Theresa May stop being a TERRORIST to HUMAN RIGHTS.

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      March 20, 2019 at 9:42 pm

      • she has dug here grave so deep now its time for her to go and rot in it 😉

        superted

        March 20, 2019 at 10:15 pm

  25. We need to keep this Brexsht running for a few more years yet. Like ever ideally. Eternity. It’s a truism that the Devil makes work for idle hands. A politician consumed with Brexshit hasn’t the time nor energy to come up with crap such as universal credit. Keep these bastards busy fighting over this Brexshit crap for until Hell freezes over.

    The Devil's Tune.

    March 20, 2019 at 11:13 pm

  26. Going by this post and the post about it unemployment is moving towards a ‘holistic’, multi-agency approach
    whereby information about your previous and past relationships, criminal history, rent arrears etc. is passed shared by a multitude of busybodies. Talk about being intrusive, Scotchland, being a totalitarian, fascist Nazi Police State as always the marching jackboots are one step ahead. Scotchland, who were saved by the UK Supreme Court from the creepy and sinister ‘Named Person’ policy. What happened to the Jocks and their “FREE-DUMB”. lol at them!

    Catherine ZJ

    March 22, 2019 at 9:23 am

    • Thank wonderful ‘Scotch water’ that they are encouraged to drink is heavily medicated. That is why you never see riots break out up in Scotchland. Don’t know why Macaroni in France doesn’t do the same thing. You are never going to see a ‘Yellow Vest’ movement up in Scotland. Maybe a ‘Yellow Belllies’ though 😀

      Tydfil

      March 22, 2019 at 9:42 am


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