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Universal Credit Creates “looming Eviction Crisis.

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For many people Citizen’s Advice is the first port of call when they have problems with benefits, starting with Universal Credit.

Here is what’s happening with our Citizen’s Advice Service in Suffolk.

The East Anglian Daily Times reports:

On Thursday, February 14, the final vote on 2019/20 budget proposals will take place at Suffolk County Council’s full council meeting, where divisive cuts to the £368,000 Citizens Advice grant over two years has been put forward by the Conservative administration.

But the opposition Labour group, which has already called for a reversal of the cuts, has now tabled an amendment to ringfence £2,500 from each councillor’s locality budget – an £8,000 pot each councillor has to spend on projects and improvements in their ward – for Citizens Advice.

With 75 elected councillors, the proposal would secure £187,500 for Citizens Advice’s core funding.

It means that the £184,000 Citizens Advice is set to lose in 2019/20 is covered, while further ways to cover funding will be explored for 2020/21. Sarah Adams, Labour group leader, said the planned cuts were “a dangerous act of self-harm that will pile even more pressure on the council’s beleaguered public services”.

Here is the CAB’s latest statement on Universal Credit.

Citizens Advice reveals half of claimants seeking benefits assistance risk being evicted

Citizens Advice has called for a root and branch overhaul of universal credit, after revealing that half of all claimants who came to it for help managing the new benefit were at risk of being evicted owing to rent arrears and hardship.

Relatively minor changes to the way the benefit operates, announced by ministers in the 2017 budget after coming under intense pressure from campaigners, have “only made a dent in the problem rather than fixed it”, the charity said.

The minimum five-week wait for a first benefit payment left nearly half of claimants it advised unable to pay household bills, or forced them to go without essentials such as food or heating, it said, while 54% had to borrow cash from family and friends to stay afloat.

“Half the people we help with universal credit are still struggling to keep a roof over their heads while they wait for their first payment,” said Gillian Guy, the chief executive of Citizens Advice.

Here is the CAB Press Release:

People claiming Universal Credit are still struggling to pay for the roof over their heads, despite the wait for their first payment being reduced from 6 weeks to 5, new Citizens Advice data shows.

1 in 2 people the charity helped were in rent arrears or fell behind on their mortgage payments, the same number as when the wait for the first payment was longer.

Citizens Advice also found 60% of people it helped are taking out advances while they wait for payment.

The research also found that, following changes by Government in 2017, fewer people are falling behind on their bills or going without essentials during the wait period. Payment timeliness has improved – now 1 in 6 people are not paid in full and on time, while previously it was 1 in 4.

The report, Managing Money on Universal Credit, released today, reveals new analysis based on the 190,000 people Citizens Advice has helped with Universal Credit.

Among the people the charity helps with debt and Universal Credit:

  • Debt problems are more common for the people we help with Universal Credit than those claiming benefits under the previous system, with 24% of the people we helped with Universal Credit also seeking debt advice.

  • Nearly one in two (47%) have no money left after essential living costs (such as food, housing and transport) to pay creditors, or are spending more than they take in.

  • More than 4 in 5 (82%) hold priority debt such as council tax, rent arrears or mortgage payments, and energy debts.

Citizens Advice is calling on the government to make Universal Credit far more flexible to fit around people’s lives and to make sure people have enough money to live on.

It also wants Alternative Payment Arrangements to be more widely available, allowing for rent to be paid direct to a landlord, more frequent payments, and a payment to go to both members of a couple.

Just 3% of claimants currently receive more frequent payments, while just 20 households in the UK receive split payments to different family members.

Four in 10 of the people helped by Citizens Advice are aware of managed payments to landlords, while just 1 in 6 know payments can be made more frequently.

Gillian Guy, Chief Executive of Citizens Advice, said:

“Half the people we help with a Universal Credit claim are still struggling to keep a roof over their heads while they wait for their first payment.

“Changes to the waiting period for first payment have improved things for many people, but our evidence shows they don’t go far enough.

“Universal Credit must continue to be reformed so it works for all claimants and leaves people with enough money to live on.”

I watched this last night:

Life on Benefits: Universal Credit?

Brexit might be dominating the headlines – but arguably one of the biggest changes to the welfare state in a generation is the roll out of Universal Credit – which could affect over eight million people across the UK.

Tonight, Richard Bacon explores the impact of Universal Credit and meets some of those receiving the benefit.

CRITICISM

Universal Credit was announced in 2010 by Tory politician Ian Duncan Smith as a way to combine many benefits and incentivise people into work, but critics are furious that it’s bringing hardship to many families.

Everywhere you look there are issues with the system. It’s not working for the disabled, it’s not working for families, it’s not working for lone parents, it’s not working for those in jobs and it’s not working for the self employed.

– TESSA GREGORY, A SOLICITOR WITH LEIGH DAY

The Trussell Trust are a nationwide network of food banks and say the use of food banks have increased by 52% in areas where Universal Credit has been introduced.

Fair enough as it went, but it could have been an hour long instead of 30 minutes.

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  1. At my JCP, UC claimants have work search reviews weekly. Is this happening nationally, or just a select few offices? Answers please!

    I’m still on JSA, so I only come in fortnightly.

    jj joop

    February 8, 2019 at 10:40 am

    • From my own limited experience –
      There seems to be no set rules, and DWP make them up as they go along.
      Maybe, like many offices your’s is over staffed (after canceling the big roll out) so are making a little work, so the staff at least appear to be doing something
      Generally, at the start of the UC claim it could be weekly ( daily even). relaxing to fortnightly.
      Even on the 2 weekly signing they will keep changing the days and times – hoping you get confused and miss one .

      Thought Criminal

      February 8, 2019 at 12:04 pm

    • It depends on the person, some have to go avery day, others once a week, two weeks, or even every 8 weeks.

      enigma

      February 8, 2019 at 12:05 pm

    • Fortnightly where I am (Cornwall).

      Frogmore Pritchard - President of the Society for Completely Different Reasons

      February 8, 2019 at 4:21 pm

    • Mainly the advisors usually phone you once a fortnight at set time.

      myfinalusername

      February 9, 2019 at 12:56 pm

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    snaithmagmailcom

    February 8, 2019 at 10:44 am

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    sdbast

    February 8, 2019 at 10:58 am

  4. But what becomes of the properties of the evicted? It is a case of another household immediately occupying the premises? ‘Social landlords’ can ‘afford’ to leave properties empties but for a private landlord ‘voids’ in the tenancy are to be avoided at all costs. More so for ‘buy-to-let’ landlords for whom an empty property means they are no covering the cost of the mortgage. Again, what is going to become of the properties of the homeless victims of universal credit?

    Ex-Landlord

    February 8, 2019 at 11:16 am

    • They won’t take anyone on UC again as most if not all don’t take anyone on any benefits.

      More and more lanlords against those receiving UC.

      But then now the rent element can now be paid straight to the lanlord

      Different story.

      enigma

      February 8, 2019 at 12:01 pm

      • Don’t forget that the rent element can only be paid straight to the landlord for as long as the claimant manages to avoid a sanction. I can’t see it making much difference given the way UC sets people up to fail.

        Dan

        February 8, 2019 at 1:10 pm

    • If you’re evicted for rent arrears from social housing the council no longer has any liability to help you.

      Frogmore Pritchard - President of the Society for Completely Different Reasons

      February 8, 2019 at 4:21 pm

      • Indeed! What they call “making yourself homeless deliberately.”

        East Anglia

        February 8, 2019 at 4:27 pm

      • “Intentionally homeless”.

        East Anglia

        February 8, 2019 at 4:27 pm

      • Not true Frogmarch
        ”The council don’t have to provide longer-term housing if they decide you’re in priority need but intentionally homeless. They must provide temporary housing for a reasonable time ..”

        https://england.shelter.org.uk/housing_advice/homelessness/rules/intentionally_homeless

        Thought Criminal

        February 9, 2019 at 3:50 am

      • You haven’t noticed the priority need part. You have to be in a priority group as well as being intentionally homeless.

        "Sorry mate, you're not a priority"

        February 9, 2019 at 8:15 am

      • You haven’t noticed the priority need part. You have to be in a priority group as well as being intentionally homeless.

        "Sorry mate, you're not a priority"

        February 9, 2019 at 8:16 am

  5. It is a case of another household immediately occupying the premises?

    Ex-Landlord

    February 8, 2019 at 11:16 am

  6. The headlines, yes brexit but what’s going to happen to welfare, nobody’s talking about what may happen to that after we leave the EU.

    enigma

    February 8, 2019 at 11:35 am

    • The EU isn’t on our side. Name ONE good thing that has come from the EU? Manufacturers have to pre-wire plugs on to their appliances. Check. Mandatory safety features on cars. Check. But ask an ex-plumber who is now suffering on universal credit and facing homelessness along with their family what they think of the EU. The majority of people have woken up to the agenda of the EU and that is why we have voted to LEAVE. Saying that, a lot of people, organisations and countries have done very well out of the EU. As has been mentioned on her the ‘providers’ have made a mint of the back of the unemployed through the European Social Fund, Eire has done well and so has the country who Donald Tusk is the leader of – the same country who tells the EU to get stuffed when it doesn’t suit it yet still expects the UK to kowtow. Universal credit will kill of the uselsss eaters, your homes will be re-purposed by ‘new faces’ and life will go on, but you will be dead and long forgotten. As censored commentator ‘doug’ said we are so stupid that were actually deserve to perish.

      D Tusk

      February 8, 2019 at 12:05 pm

      • Name one good thing to come from the EU?

        Well, off the top of my head…

        EU worker’s right are all good things, e.g., the right to refuse to be forced to work for more than 48 hours a week. EU data privacy laws which protect people like us and prevent governments from spying on us are great. EU laws that allow us to live and work abroad and enshrine rights to equal pay, paid leave and non-discrimination are fine. EU laws in respect to protecting the environment, clean air and clean rivers are great. EU legislation in respect to food labelling, consumer protection, cheap telephone calls, cheap flights are nice. And the billions and billions that the EU poured into poorer areas, e.g., Cornwall, that funded installation of high-speed broadband, education, environmental improvement and training were very welcome. Not to mention free trade, acting as a magnet for inward investment into the UK, police coordination, access to EU Structural Funds, boosting UK influence within the EU and internationally.

        I could go on all day.

        Leaving the EU will make Britain much, much worse mark my words.

        Only idiots with double digit IQs and rich business people who want to exploit them are real Brexiteers.

        Frogmore Pritchard - President of the Society for Completely Different Reasons

        February 8, 2019 at 4:35 pm

      • This has already been mentioned by a switched on commenter but what say you on the Straight Banana Directive, Frogmore. Sheer bloody EU lunacy!

        Boris & Jacob

        February 8, 2019 at 4:53 pm

      • Actually, it was mainly immigration and migration of a certain violent religion that people voted to put a stop to, given we have millions abusing vulnerable children by the thousands already.

        eli

        February 10, 2019 at 6:05 pm

      • Rubbish, Frogmore! The Capitalist Pig wants as many copper-tops as possible crammed into as mention cages as possible. Life would be much better if there wasn’t as many of us. More spacious housing, ease of travel etc. Of course this doesn’t so the Capitalist Pig who wants to grow the economy and grow profits.
        The greeny agenda is part of this too – making anything worth having unaffordable and a reduced standard of living for the copper-tops. Follow the money! It is time that you cast aside your virtue signalling, social justice warrior mental fog and put on your thinking cap. Engage your brain and stop thinking in emotive terms, symbols, placards and slogans.

        Neo the Coppertop

        February 11, 2019 at 10:32 am

      • Rubbish, Frogmore! The Capitalist Pig wants as many copper-tops as possible crammed into as many cages as possible. Life would be much better if there wasn’t as many of us. More spacious housing, ease of travel etc. Of course this doesn’t suit the Capitalist Pig who wants to grow the economy and grow profits. This is why the Capatisit Pig panics when the birth rate falls while all the while feeding us the Greeny agenda. The greeny agenda is part of this too – making anything worth having unaffordable and a reduced standard of living for the copper-tops. Follow the money! It is time that you cast aside your virtue signalling, social justice warrior mental fog and put on your thinking cap. Engage your brain and stop thinking in emotive terms, symbols, placards and slogans.

        Neo the Coppertop

        February 11, 2019 at 10:34 am

      • Engage your brain and stop thinking in emotive terms, symbols, placards and slogans and #hashtags.

        Neo the Coppertop

        February 11, 2019 at 10:36 am

  7. This might be what turns the tide on Universal Credit. Not the people starving and being evicted, but the money. The massive rent arrears, kids taken into care, rehousing costs etc.

    Rob T.

    February 8, 2019 at 12:10 pm

    • Exactly. As soon as you kick someone out of a property the landlord start haemorrhaging money. The government saves but it is six and half a dozen to the landlord where the rent money comes from. So what do they do? The Government only saves if it is someone ‘productive’ who is occupying the property. Simply replacing one ‘unproductive’ tenant, no matter, what way, shape or form they take is a fiscally pointless exercise. Especially if the benefits systems has to provide for more and more ‘unproductive’ mouths to feed. At present Universal Credit stands as an idealogical and politically-motivated construct; the actual practicabilities haven’t been thought through very well.

      Bernadette Vlanisly

      February 8, 2019 at 12:27 pm

    • Exactly. As soon as you kick someone out of a property the landlord start haemorrhaging money. The government saves but it is six and half a dozen to the landlord where the rent money comes from. So what do they do? The Government only saves if it is someone ‘productive’ who is occupying the property. Simply replacing one ‘unproductive’ tenant, with another ‘unproductive’ tenant no matter, what way, shape or form they take is a fiscally pointless exercise. Especially if the benefits systems has to provide for more and more ‘unproductive’ mouths to feed. At present Universal Credit stands as an idealogical and politically-motivated construct; the actual practicabilities haven’t been thought through very well.

      Bernadette Vlanisly

      February 8, 2019 at 12:28 pm

      • ”Universal Credit stands as an idealogical and politically-motivated construct; ”

        I agree and it’s a micro management total control mechanism

        ”; the actual practicabilities haven’t been thought through very well.”

        Sadly wrong ,as all the inpracticabilities of UC have been totally thought out in advance and were chossen as such,

        Thought Criminal

        February 8, 2019 at 1:15 pm

      • If universal credit is panning out as intended then it must have been designed by a truly evil mind!

        Jill the Ripper

        February 8, 2019 at 2:27 pm

    • ”what turns the tide on Universal Credit.”

      That could probably only happen when a critical number of people suffer the benefit. especially those who whilst poor , haven’t enjoyed the delights of the Job Centre before.
      Hence why the super slow roll out : to catch and ”educate” just a few at a time …

      Thought Criminal

      February 8, 2019 at 1:22 pm

      • Like with the Nazi gas chamber/crematoria production line there is only so much ‘throughput’ that can be achieved. You have to get rid of the bodies and there are only so many crematoria available. If universal credit was fully ramped up there would be a log-jam at the crematoria: there just isn’t the capacity to cope with a full roll-out of universal credit. Amber Rudd would need to put in place a massive crematoria building programme ahead of any full roll-out of universal credit.

        Son of Saul

        February 8, 2019 at 2:34 pm

      • Charitable leader fears people will struggle to survive the winter

        across Dartmouth were struggling with the effects of universal credit, resulting in charity volunteers experiencing their busiest month so far.

        The volunteers are putting a plaster over the town,

        http://www.kingsbridge-today.co.uk/article.cfm?id=117910

        ken

        February 8, 2019 at 3:24 pm

      • Tell us about it. We have just received a truckload of the disabled. We are going to be working flat-out all weekend to ‘process’ them.

        The Sonderkommandos

        February 9, 2019 at 12:21 pm

  8. Richard Bacon looked liked he hadn’t had a decent meal in ages. No wonder he was never out the foodbank. Not much money to be made as a voice-over artist with it being part of the gig economy and all that. Hope he stocked up on those yummy frozen pizzas that were being hawked during the ad break.

    Voice-over Woman

    February 8, 2019 at 2:23 pm

  9. Amber rudd responds to six stone man case.

    “I have seen the case and it is very upsetting. I have asked the department to look into it to see what didn’t happen correctly and I will need to find out more about it.”

    If you need to do that then the department is far to big for a single minister to manage and what is even more disturbing is rather than an independent showing up unannounced, she hands it to the culprits responsible. We dont allow criminals to investigate themselves yet here we see the very thing happening.
    I would have as a minister day one planted mystery claimants that fit the profile of whats going wrong for certain groups if i really wanted to know whats going on.
    This at arms length approach is unacceptable as a ministers worth should without reservation be based on the everyday running of what they reside over. Rudd like so many before her have failed on their watch to prevent one problem after another.

    A 6 stone man of near pure skin and bone couldn’t have gone unnoticed by any DWP/JCP employee, its simply ridiculous to attempt to blaster about a situation that was in plain sight before a work coach or coaches as may have well likely been the case.

    There is no looking to see if any more needs to be done, its obvious so much needs to be done like ending the WCA and handing such decisions back to a claimants GPs and hospital case handlers without the slightest interference from DWP period who employed various methods to persuade Doctors to identify even the slightest thing a person could do while completely revamping the time served sick notice.

    Doug

    February 8, 2019 at 3:02 pm

    • Mystery Claimants are an excellent idea, doug. If you have ever worked, in retail i.e. a shop around the back, in the staff area and just as you head out onto the shop floor there are always signs that read: “Every shopper is a mystery shopper.” That’s why when you have dealings in a shop the assistants are never quite sure if you are a manager or summat. Remember: “Every shopper is a mystery shopper.” Imagine Jobcentre have signs in the staff area that read: “Every claimant is a mystery claimant.” Mystery claimants would also create well-paid jobs. The best placed for these jobs would obviously be current claimants. All the DWP has to do is put false data on the system and in we pop to ‘make a claim’ 😉 Busted! 😀 You would soon see a change of tune down the joke shop.

      Mystery Shopper

      February 8, 2019 at 3:26 pm

  10. Visited joke centre today to do a new claimant commitment, it was a carbon copy of the last one stating stating I have to attend provider & ‘will sign all of the providers pw’. Roach informed me if I refused to sign my claim will be shut down AGAIN, I asked to see the manager & showed them both a print of FOI stating that it is not mandatory to sign any of the providers pw, the manager gave it a cursory glance & said I have got to sign because I’m on UC. So I have been well & truly stitched up & blackmailed, if I refuse to sign again I’ll end up destitute & homeless.

    Violet

    February 8, 2019 at 3:13 pm

    • pmsl uc is not above the law and why at the end of the day it will never work these ppl think they can do what the hell they like so it looks like the only way forward is to refuse to sign providers paperwork get sanctioned for it and take it up with the tribunal service.

      there is no way they can enforce that cc under law same as the 35hr job search at a tribunal.

      if there doing this now think what it will be like for the rest of us when every one gets changed over to uc.

      superted

      February 8, 2019 at 3:30 pm

      • note i also showed my coach and its floor manager my foi requests and was totally ignored yet after i won the tribunal they were both sacked!

        superted

        February 8, 2019 at 3:34 pm

      • Wrong! Universal Credit IS the Law!

        Iain Duncan Smith (deceased)

        February 8, 2019 at 3:36 pm

      • Violet has a perfectly good reason if the Tribunal Judge asks: “So, why did you sign the cc then?” Basically, Violet has no choice – either sign or end up homeless and destitute. Any reasonable person in the same position would act in the same way.

        Hobson's Choice

        February 8, 2019 at 3:41 pm

      • I won’t get a sanction they WILL close my uc account down again which is as good as a months sanction, I will just have to sign the sharks pw don’t have any other choice.

        Violet

        February 8, 2019 at 3:53 pm

      • they now cant shut down ur claim as you have now signed it according to uc rules and regs what this jcp is doing is out right black mail.

        id get down the cab as if you dont you could end up working full time for a provider with no way out and it never ending.

        superted

        February 8, 2019 at 3:59 pm

      • Yeah, like doing back-breaking cleaning work or toiling in a recycling plant for nowt whilst the shark pockets shedloads of cash. Like a never ending MWA/CWP. And all it would take would be one phone call from the shark to have Violet’s claim closed down. Like living in a dystopian film. Where is Richard bloody Bacon when you need him?

        Elm Street

        February 8, 2019 at 4:12 pm

      • Yeah, like doing back-breaking cleaning work or toiling in a recycling plant for nowt whilst the shark pockets shedloads of cash. Like a never ending MWA/CWP. And all it would take would be one phone call from the shark to have Violet’s claim closed down. Like living in a dystopian film! Where is Richard bloody Bacon when you need him?

        Elm Street

        February 8, 2019 at 4:12 pm

    • Universal Credit has to follow the law not the law follow Universal Credit.

      You need to get some outside help,if you sign its under duress and the forms are void.

      manager gave it a cursory glance & said I have got to sign because I’m on UC.

      There are people who can deal with that and that route needs to be followed,I can well remeber when I went to Citizens Advice all the eyes rolled in the office at the mention of the DWP,appointment or not they had me straight in there and the telephones free.

      ken

      February 8, 2019 at 3:37 pm

      • Wrong! Universal Credit IS the Law!

        Iain Duncan Smith (deceased)

        February 8, 2019 at 3:44 pm

      • A lot of people are intimidated by

        Section 23(3) of the Welfare Reform Act 2012, which states:
        “The Secretary of State may, for the purpose of verifying the claimant’s
        compliance with a work-related requirement, require a claimant to—
        (a) provide to the Secretary of State information and evidence specified by
        the Secretary of State in a manner so specified;
        (b) confirm compliance in a manner so specified.”

        But simply refusing cookies renders the journal completely useless,what the above doesn’t mention is that it has to be lawful.Its a total invasion of privacy.

        Websites are now supposed to tell you what they use cookies for, and get your consent for doing so.

        If other websites you visit are not offering you the same choices, they may not be complying with the law, and your online privacy could be at risk without you knowing it.

        ken

        February 8, 2019 at 3:51 pm

      • Ken, I shall write VIOLET COACTUS, after my signature to let them know I’ve signed under duress.

        Violet

        February 8, 2019 at 3:56 pm

      • Wrong! I am the law!

        Judge Dredd

        February 9, 2019 at 11:32 am

    • Violet

      Im not the least bit surprised BUT did you ask and dissect clinically during the conversation with the manager what they specifically meant by “I have got to sign because I’m on UC” ?

      Sign what, CC, provider paperwork, what was the exact words used and why didnt you record the conversation even if you dont inform them (remember suspicion or detection of possible crime is exempt under law meaning you dont require consent). This means you could have recorded without letting them know you were recording.

      You’ve until such time as a legal test case presents itself got to play the same generic game politicians do.
      The statement “i/you must sign provider paperwork” is open ended, its not finite. When you lay the context of legal definition to it that they omitted its actually “i/you must sign provider paperwork in accordance with law” or ” i/you must sign provider paperwork of freewill”.

      This puts DWP in a position to further explain if this is said while making/contesting the CC or further down the road if you decide not to sign provider paperwork.
      Remember what i said about consent and bundling consent under GDPR and about decision or consent on an informed basis.
      Is DWP bundling consent, can legally under definition DWP bundle consent in a case where instead of being automatic like third party consent on a website, said consent isn’t activated straight away and may not occur dependent on provider assessment.
      What im saying is,
      1: Your consenting to contents of CC
      2: Consenting to sign providers paperwork (assuming it can be said to be legally bundled)
      3: Actually giving consent at said providers on providers paperwork

      2 and 3 are not although related, the same thing as if it were, you wouldn’t be signing anything at the providers.

      As i said to superted, this is a new game with many unanswered questions. Without knowing “so DWP, what is it your saying exactly”, i dont have a board to lift off from to advise regarding contractual issues and requirements. Even then this is highly likely to warrant a test case to confront.

      doug

      February 9, 2019 at 1:33 pm

      • doug

        It is all very well saying Violet should have said/shouldn’t have said done this/shouldn’t have done this while
        in the confines of a Gestapo interrogation centre and in the presence of Gestapo officers. Gestapo interrogation centres are high pressure environments. You are up against trained Interrogators. You are left having to think on your feet. Hindsight is an exact science. We are left learning from our mistakes or the mistakes of others.

        H Himmler

        February 9, 2019 at 1:47 pm

      • doug

        The answer is already contained with sexual offences legislation. You must have consent for each and every act. You can not assume that consent for one act implies consent for another act. The EU or whoever drew up the relevant legislation have really cocked up if it is not clear that the DWP are in the wrong. This is what happens when your legislation isn’t watertight. Remember how the DWP tried to circumvent the Data Protection Acts?

        QC

        February 9, 2019 at 2:00 pm

      • doug

        The answer is already contained within sexual offences legislation. You must have consent for each and every act. You can not assume that consent for one act implies consent for another act. The EU or whoever drew up the relevant legislation have really cocked up if it is not clear that the DWP are in the wrong. This is what happens when your legislation isn’t watertight. Remember how the DWP tried to circumvent the Data Protection Acts?

        QC

        February 9, 2019 at 2:01 pm

      • In any case, if this was ever tested in Court the DWP would lose.

        QC

        February 9, 2019 at 2:04 pm

      • QC
        Hindsight isnt a gift bestowed on the few, the purview of legends and gods, its simply second proofing an original point prior made.
        What your referring to is a term known as granular consent but there is many an instance even in sexual offenses where consent can and is bundled.
        We dont for example have sex through clothing so when one asks to make love of an intimate nature, we dont first ask for permission to remove clothing be it you or them. Its a given necessary to the premise of another act that is primary to the function of the whole (both are relevant to each other in question and answer).
        Getting back to how we started this, when ones assured of the point they are making and logic breaks down in the other party, do they not seek further advice and will not said DWP advice be in perfect harmony because they are taught the exact same ways (cancels itself out). The only thing that changes at best is delivery. I guarantee you even if after the fact, that manager of Violets is fully aware of the point Violet made so the only question is, was it originally delivered in such a way that it left no room to move on the part of DWP.
        Its not just a matter of there and then, cutting things off a the pass but also what forms a part of your case when presenting tribunal. We are not talking to a judge saying how mean and unfair DWP was, we are talking is there grounds even if to suspect and or without later consequence, maladministration in the specific administration of said conflict.

        doug

        February 10, 2019 at 12:15 pm

      • doug

        Apparently Jacob-Rees Mogg has sex through clothing 😉

        Window Cleaner

        February 10, 2019 at 12:32 pm

      • The GDPR may have this ‘bundled consent’ malarkey covered.

        “Freely given consent implies real choice and is especially difficult or impossible when there is an imbalance between controller and data subject, when consent is conditional, when several purposes for processing are bundled, need to be separated and require consent for each purpose, and in case of detriment”

        Freely given consent: granularity, bundled consent and purpose

        Those notions are essential elements. Although not explicitly mentioned in the text, the GDPR emphasizes the importance of really freely given consent.

        Moreover, consent cannot be ‘bundled’ and that is where the notion of granularity really plays: no consent to a bundle of processing purposes and granularity; instead: separation of the several purposes and consent per purpose.”

        How could any reasonable person possibly argue that Violet is ‘freely giving consent’ to a ‘provider;? To believe this you would need a complete suspension of disbelief cum the kind of mental gymnastics that would make your head hurt. This is the sort of upside-down topsy-turvy white-knight-is-talking backwards
        ‘logic’ and ‘reasoning’ that would give the Mad Hatter in Alice in Wonderland a run for his money.

        And what would be of point of these data protection regulations if they could be so easily roughshod rode over?

        https://www.i-scoop.eu/gdpr/consent-gdpr/

        Looking Glass

        February 10, 2019 at 12:49 pm

      • The nub is that Violet is NOT ‘freely giving consent’ to a provider since given a ‘free choice’ as she has already stated she wouldn’t. Basically, Violet is being blackmailed, intimated, threatened and menaced into giving her ‘consent’.

        Looking Glass

        February 10, 2019 at 12:59 pm

      • Violet is being blackmailed, intimated, threatened and menaced into giving her ‘consent

        Their breaking their own codes of standards and conduct to start.Its another example of the Conservatives adding to the notion of Broken Britain,supposed the party of law and order(which they have been very quite on the subject)they continue to undermine the laws and fabric of society by running roughshod over honesty and decency which are at the essence of a respectable modern society.

        Violet need to take action and get other people involved,including her MP,thats why there there to represent.

        ken

        February 10, 2019 at 4:54 pm

      • Looking glass

        The DPA has been ridden roughshod for years and GDPR which encourages finding grounds not to warrant the need of obtain consent clearly highlights the trend is to continue but in a way one cant be had.
        As for granular,bundled consent the war currently rages as its still a grey area of clarity.

        As for violets case regarding the CC entry must sign provider paperwork, the DWPs end is a condition,a command and not processing data.

        doug

        February 11, 2019 at 12:03 pm

      • The Idea of Sanctions is to persuade people who are Fit & Healthy to look for Work, Agree a CC that gives them the Biggest & Widest chance of getting Any Job,
        And not sit around all day on their Lazy Arses playing on their Play Station; expecting the Government to Finance there idle Lifestyle, Why should Tax payers pay out for People who are perfectly able to work?
        Leave Disabled People alone and Sanction the Fit & Healthy to Hell

        Pauline UB40

        February 11, 2019 at 12:05 pm

      • Get Violet of Her Lazy Arse and Out to Work. Tax Payers have had Enough!

        Pauline UB40

        February 11, 2019 at 12:07 pm

      • Riding roughshod sounds like something Jacob Rees-Mogg would do 😉

        Brokeback Mountain

        February 11, 2019 at 12:10 pm

      • Pauline UB40

        The definition of sanctions are actually an applied method of force after a failed threat to get an individual up to an entire country who may not have a responsible part in it the adhere to a law/rule.
        The problem regarding something so small a topic as benefits is that there is nothing to wrangle except the very money its said a person NEEDS minimum just to survive.
        If food banks,etc didnt exist, the deaths and sheer financial burden on the NHS and legal justice system would be staggering compared to what we currently see (each costs way way more than the suspended benefit. For instance a court case of a single person generally costs in cases of offering not guilty plea is around £34’000. A year inside prison costs around £35’000 and it actually costs more the shorter the stay.
        Because of the sheer number of treatments as per condition/s, its impossible to price for the purpose of this discussion but it easily destroys the previous 2 outcomes.

        No matter what opinion you take of claimants who claim unemployment benefit (JSA or Work Related Activity
        Group ESA) which currently stands at 880’000, its a proven certainty that sanctioning actually indirectly costs the taxpayer more.

        The majority of these large yearly payouts are actually for people not required to seek work (Has nothing to do with eligability for) in order to receive said benefits. The only three sanctionable benefits are the elements of JSA, ESA (Work Related Activity Group only) and tax credits.

        Its already ineffectual for the no work groups, its pure madness on the working groups claiming working tax credits as its not a benefit but a tax reduction that in certain cases works negatively and such credits as we all working or not are taxpayers by default. We wouldn’t actually need tax credits, housing assistance for unemployed and employed claimants if businesses paid better wages and gave more secure hours.

        doug

        February 11, 2019 at 10:18 pm

  11. VI COACTUS I mean 😉

    Violet

    February 8, 2019 at 3:58 pm

    • the problem with this is the provider will just say you refused to sign or did not attend and bin what you did sign and ur back to square one again.

      they cant just keep shutting ur claim down as this means you have no way to appeal what they are doing and trying everything not to even get to a dm let alone a tribunal.

      superted

      February 8, 2019 at 4:14 pm

      • This is really serious what is going on here. It once again proves that the DWP/providers are pure, fucking evil bastards. You NEVER see mention of these DWP/provider abuses in the mainstream media. Or on Richard Bacon’s programmes. Only on some obscure blog that only a handful of people read and even less post on.

        East Anglia

        February 8, 2019 at 4:23 pm

    • what you can do is go above the jcp managers head and complain direct in writing.
      If you have a complaint about the Department for Work and Pensions itself, write to:

      DWP Complaints
      Post Handling Site B
      Wolverhampton
      WV99 2GY

      superted

      February 8, 2019 at 5:38 pm

      • Thanks for that ted I’ll send them a letter.

        Violet

        February 8, 2019 at 7:04 pm

      • now that the cc has been signed if you again refuse to sign provider paper work then it should be a sanction doubt for not participating.

        but if they just close down the claim again what reason would they come up with for this as i can not find anything to justifies it under law.

        it seems ur coach and its manager are in it together so could turn in to a non stop merry go round so i would go see the cab if you have one.

        the law is clear and dwp rules state you dont have to sign anything even on uc.

        superted

        February 8, 2019 at 7:23 pm

      • they cant just keep shutting ur claim down

        This is what they have been doing,others have said the same.

        http://guerillawire.org/welfare/universal-credit-claim-closed-letter/

        You need to raise awareness of this and involve other areas so they can help and deal with that cooling off period.

        ken

        February 8, 2019 at 7:32 pm

      • what gets me is why is this coach and manager are hell bent on getting ppl on theses courses in the first place and go as far to change a cc to get there own way unlawfully unless there getting a back hander one way or another.

        these jcp offices are like franchises and it seems each one looks at the rules and regs n says fook that and just do what they like anyway as 99.9% will just give up which in turn makes it even worse for everyone.

        what will it be next on the cc change that a coach can dream up like i must only shop at tesco or i must walk 45 miles a day to job interviews.

        the only part of a cc that can get you sanctioned under law is not actively looking and applying for work, or a failed to participate in 1 scam or another lol.

        anything else is just a expectation so really they can put what they like on a cc but at the end of the day they can not back it up with the law like the 35hr job search as it does not exist.

        superted

        February 8, 2019 at 8:00 pm

      • another thing is to gain esf funding for the providers for skills conditionally course is that a assessment must first take place to see if the course is viable for you and that the contract must be signed of free will.

        none of this is taking place and in fact the dwp is complicit in letting fraud take place as you now have no choice but to sign the providers paperwork via the new cc agreed via threats of sanctions destitution and homelessness if it was not agreed to.

        this is a breach of esf funding rules for the provider as no matter the assessment of needs contracts must be signed per the new cc agreed and dictated buy the jcp coach and manager and if not claim will be closed.

        the new cc gives any providers permission to extract money from the esf fund as the dwp are using the cc as a contract to enable a lawful contract via 3rd party provider for profit to be completed via threats of sanctions. under contract law this is classed as fraud via threats and menace.

        https://ec.europa.eu/anti-fraud/contacts/fraud-reporting-form_en

        so sign the providers contract but b4 you do say you will be reporting them for fraud as it is a breach of esf funding rules and no skills assessment has taken place other than sign this or else 😉

        superted

        February 8, 2019 at 10:52 pm

      • You should email your MP he/she should contact the Jobcentre on your behalf also whats happening in that jobcentre is unscrupulous behaviour.These welfare reforms haven’t worked and the nasty party are fully active.

        ken

        February 9, 2019 at 12:11 am

      • It may be the case that all new applications for ESF (European Social Fund) funding will cease at midnight on 29 March (11pm on 28 March UK time). Jean Claude Juncker and Donald Tusk should be informed of this fraudulent appropriation of the European Social Fund.

        EU Fangirl ;)

        February 9, 2019 at 1:05 pm

      • This will be why the providers are running about like headless chickens at the moment trying to secure as much ‘funding’ as possible before the ESF gravy train hits the buffers.

        EU Fangirl ;)

        February 9, 2019 at 1:07 pm

      • There is a special place in 👿 Hell 👿 for the 👿 ‘providers’ 👿 .

        Donald Tusk

        February 9, 2019 at 1:11 pm

      • The special place in hell that Donald Tusk mentioned as the natural abode of the people who caused Brexit without a plan could be Blighty folks! Yep. After Brexit the UK could become a lot more hellish than anybody seems brave or honest enough to admit. Especially for people dependent on state aid like social security or the NHS which we almost certainly will have less money to spend on than before. The only good thing I can think of to come out of Brexit is if the Tories get blamed and have to carry the can for the mess they created and are responsible for. Of course this won’t be much comfort for growing queues at food banks or homeless people with little hope of securing a roof over their heads but at least it’s something.

        James

        February 9, 2019 at 3:16 pm

  12. Fee-fi-fo-fum. I smell the stench of a right-wing bum. Moderator delete his/her dismal comments please.

    Frogmore Pritchard - President of the Society for Completely Different Reasons

    February 8, 2019 at 4:39 pm

  13. The loon(s) are out in force today.

    James

    February 8, 2019 at 4:39 pm

  14. Reblogged this on Britain Isn't Eating!.

    A6er

    February 8, 2019 at 6:14 pm

  15. another thing is to gain esf funding for the providers for skills conditionally course is that a assessment must first take place to see if the course is viable for you and that the contract must be signed of free will.

    A problem with these course also is that the person is placed right at their limit of learning and cannot progress any further only with great difficulty and year on year attendence in the same class,often also teaching assistants’ have to be brought in at great expence.While they can offer a GCSE level its only as good as someone’s capability.

    ken

    February 9, 2019 at 12:19 am

  16. Exclusive: DWP Holds No Data On People Who Can’t Claim For Universal Credit Online

    No data, – DWP.

    “The fact that Universal Credit is digital-by-default has made a really big assumption about the level of digital access amongst potential claimants.”

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/universal-credit-digital-exclusion-dwp-holds-no-data_uk_5c2ded32e4b05c88b706302d?ncid=other_huffpostre_pqylmel2bk8&utm_campaign=related_articles

    enigma

    February 9, 2019 at 11:06 am

    • DWP Holds No Data On — the number of — People Who Can’t Claim For Universal Credit Online
      Would be a more accurate headline, but then journalistic compitence isn’t exactly at it’s peak..

      On a website that demands you accept cookies and then autoplays a video- even keeps buffering it after you stop it,,

      Anyway article talks about claimants not having access to the internet at home either via a computer or smart phone.
      Thing is, a smart phone with its small screen, is wholly inappropriate for form filling or job applications: an excercise in frustration and an accident waiting to happen.
      Same as people who have to go in a library etc and enter all their passwords manually, takes up much of their free time.

      Concerning too is:

      ”The government has already allocated £39m to the Citizens Advice Bureau to assist people applying for Universal Credit,…”
      Hadrly makes the CAB impartial, especialy with people with nowhere else to turn and in dispute with the DWP, go there for help.

      ”The fact that Universal Credit is digital-by-default…”
      100% digital when it suits for them – if you have a problem, dispute etc for sure you will have to use the phone, post etc

      Thought Criminal

      February 9, 2019 at 12:38 pm

      • That – which people posted about here when it was first announced – was all the more reason to highlight the CAB report that foresees this eviction crisis.

        Andrew Coates

        February 9, 2019 at 12:53 pm

  17. Media – the headlines, the internet and aliases , the white paper on what you can and can’t write on line, there is also talk (if you havn’t heard) of the need to have your full name appear next to your comment.

    The reasoning being obviuos

    enigma

    February 9, 2019 at 11:17 am

  18. This site might have been compromised already… or gremlins are at work.
    I had an anti EU post removed, totally unoffensive too, except perhaps to a fanboy in love with the motherland EU reich… ….

    Thought Criminal

    February 9, 2019 at 1:14 pm

  19. Notice how the supermarkets all have huge offers on on toilet tissue. It is the first thing you see when you enter a supermarket. And it is massive bulk buys like one hundred roll packs. One of them has 500 and 1000 roll packs! Is the shit about to hit the fan?

    Bog Roll

    February 9, 2019 at 3:44 pm

  20. MS sufferer and her carer left without benefits for five weeks thanks to Universal Credit

    Adam McLelland and his wife Bee, of Birkby, slammed the new system which is plaguing lots of Huddersfield people

    Adam McLelland and his wife Bee had been living in their adapted home for just two weeks when they received their first enforcement letter demanding unpaid rent.

    It was the beginning of six months of arguments, counter arguments and overwhelming stress that coincided with the couple’s move to the all-in-one benefit known as Universal Credit.

    https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/ms-sufferer-carer-left-without-15797820

    ken

    February 9, 2019 at 4:39 pm

  21. Andrew Coates

    February 10, 2019 at 12:40 pm

    • As sad as it is the unkown number of people who can’t bring themselves to a food bank.

      enigma

      February 10, 2019 at 2:40 pm

  22. Food inflation continues to rise.

    Food inflation in the UK is continuing to spiral, according to several recent reports,
    with commentators raising concerns about the uncertainty over Brexit, the value of
    sterling and the continued rise in food prices.

    https://www.foodmanufacture.co.uk/Article/2018/02/07/Food-inflation-continues-to-rise

    ken

    February 10, 2019 at 5:00 pm

  23. I wonder what state we would be in if food banks had not coincidentally stepped forward to help some of the people suffering food poverty due to government policy? The fact that food banks are providing a lot of support is almost accidental and was not considered by government as a mitigating factor when cutting state benefits to individuals and families facing difficulties. The way food banks have rallied to the aid of people suffering food poverty in 21st century Great Britain is almost accidental and might not have happened at all. Certianly with millions of people pending migration from legacy benefits to universal credit I am sure that all of us must have wondered how much longer food banks will be able to serve so many people when the transfer from the old system to the new one begins in earnest.

    Like all charities food banks do not have unlimited resources and eventually demand will outstrip supply.

    What then?

    James

    February 10, 2019 at 5:30 pm

  24. Universal Credit might not be so bad so long as you are able-bodied and can be put to work. As in the Nazi concentration camps on entry you were either put in a line to be worked to death or put in a line to be sent straight to the gas chambers. Universal Credit is all about ridding society of the ‘useless eaters’, Bertrand Russells, HG Wells, the Eugenics Society and Hitler’s thinking lives on.

    Hitler also understood human nature, as do the Tories. They recognise that there is no solidarity amongst benefit claimants. It is nauseating to here the cries of “please spare me I am disabled/a single parent/have worked all my life”. Just like in the Nazi concentration camps but if you were disabled you were well advised to keep your mouth shut and not draw attention to yourself.

    The biggest group of ‘useless eaters’ are of course the elderly. That is why we have ‘Completed Life Euthanasia’ being brought. Currently it is set at 70. Seems reasonable, eh? At least we aren’t being fed to the Morlocks at the ripe old age of 30 as in Logan’s Run, the movie based on one of HG Wells books, Who would have thought.

    Inspector Eignan

    February 11, 2019 at 10:54 am

  25. The Good Ship ‘Welfare State’ is a sinking ship. It may be better to abandon it or at least make tentative plans to bug out in the woods. Go build a log cabin like doug. See doug’s previous posts on how to trap, kill and cook swan and other wildlife, fishing, which berries are safe to eat and which aren’t,

    Deliverance

    February 11, 2019 at 11:29 am


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