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Collapse of Universal Credit: “extension delayed”.

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Collapse amidst Universal Shame.

There’s a rush of reports on this.

I think we can get the gravity of it.

My friends, in low paid work  or out of work have been really affected by their Tory scheme.

Those of us on ‘legacy benefits’ – as if they were some of kind of toff’s  bequeath – were and are seriously concerned.

But I noticed when I last signed on and asked about it the person said basically the same thing.

Universal Credit rollout axed as controversial benefit set for overhaul

The next phase of the Universal Credit programme (UC) will be overhauled following widespread criticism of the extension of the flagship welfare reform.

Work and Pensions Secretary Amber Rudd is to scrap an imminent Commons vote on plans allowing all existing claimants of relevant benefits to be moved onto the new all-in-one payment.

Instead she plans to seek approval to move just 10,000 claimants onto UC to monitor the way the system works.

Influential committees in both Houses of Parliament had raised concerns about the plan to move around three million claimants onto UC and the Government faced losing a Commons vote on the “managed migration” programme.

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Written by Andrew Coates

January 6, 2019 at 12:29 pm

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  1. Reblogged this on sdbast.

    sdbast

    January 6, 2019 at 12:33 pm

  2. Reblogged this on Britain Isn't Eating!.

    A6er

    January 6, 2019 at 2:06 pm

  3. DWP: New Work & Pensions Secretary Of State – Amber Rudd, 19 Dec 2018

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    January 6, 2019 at 2:23 pm

  4. uc is a joke, more hoops to jump through and getting your first payments take weeks, surely no back pay. of when you first put in a claim.

    myfinalusername

    January 6, 2019 at 3:43 pm

  5. doug

    January 6, 2019 at 3:55 pm

  6. ‘To monitor the way the system works’, they know how it works… it doesn’t, and is moving claimants over to UC bit by bit going to lessen the misery that follows…no its not!

    Tigerlily

    January 6, 2019 at 4:04 pm

  7. Instead of halting the rollout of universal why not just scrap it ffs.

    Violet

    January 6, 2019 at 4:15 pm

  8. It would have been full steam ahead with the UC roll out if Brexit had not inspired the absolutely god awful Esther McVey to resign. So although I reckon the UK will be more vulnerable and eventually much worse off out of the EU at least Brexit did one good thing.

    Hammer on the Mountain

    January 6, 2019 at 5:09 pm

    • Theres no place for a wefare system thats completly failed,it gives the impression that people have been simply given up on and abondoned,with the rising publicity of foodbanks becoming day to day permantly.People in sections of society are left feeling its wartime rationing thats taking place.

      It does appear that this Brexit will continue to dominate the headlines and if goes badly the cost to use on benefits will continue to rise and felt the most,but that might well be unavoidable already.

      ken

      January 6, 2019 at 6:15 pm

      • Thing is if Brexit fails badly and the UK slides into recession again, possibly for a long time, and Britain ends up having to borrow money hand over fist to keep things running, where do you think the cuts in spending will be made in order to make savings? In the biggest budget of government of course, as before, i.e., social security. Things could get very, very much worse even than they are presently and they are unbelievably bad now.

        Hammer on the Mountain

        January 7, 2019 at 6:56 am

      • Andrew Coates

        January 7, 2019 at 1:42 pm

  9. They’ve had at least five years to ‘monitor how the system works’. According to my then coach back in 2014, I was supposed to have been transferred onto Universal Credit then.

    Does anyone know which parts of the country are going to include the lucky 10,000?

    jj joop

    January 6, 2019 at 8:39 pm

    • In areas without Tory MPs most likely.

      Hammer on the Mountain

      January 7, 2019 at 6:58 am

  10. This story featured on the BBC news last night. Apparently Universal Credit is six and a half years behind schedule.

    jj joop

    January 7, 2019 at 9:05 am

  11. Those who have worked in the field of abuse will know that abuse is most likely to occur when people working for organisations where they are given discretionary powers and are in regular and continuing contact with those who are relatively powerless (often the most vulnerable members of society).

    Iain Duncan Smith, with his welfare reforms, created an environment within the Department for Work and Pensions where abuse could flourish, and it has continued to thrive.

    Over the course of the past year I have become increasingly concerned about the effects that the welfare reforms are having on benefit claimants, and in particular, their mental health.

    I am reminded of the work of Dr Martin E Seligman whose experiments on canines in the 1960s led to the theory of ‘learned helplessness’, (source: Failure to escape traumatic shock ​by Martin E Seligman and Steven F Maier, Journal of Experimental Psychology, May 1967).

    People who perceive events as outside their control show a variety of symptoms that threaten their mental and physical well-being. They experience stress, they often show disruption of emotions demonstrating passivity or aggression, and they can also have difficulty performing cognitive tasks such as problem-solving. They are less likely to change unhealthy patterns of behaviour, causing them, for example, to neglect diet, exercise, and medical treatment.

    Benefit claimants are kept in a continual state of unease and fear with the ever-present threat of being awarded a benefit sanction.

    In attempting to help benefit claimants I have been struck by the fact that they are extremely passive and often reluctant to take action, even when a course of action is indicated (such as submitting a complaint or appealing against the awarding of a benefit sanction).

    If the underlying assumption is that making the experience of claiming benefits as unpleasant as possible will act as a motivator for people to find work, then the evidence shows that this assumption is wholly incorrect – in fact it is a demotivating factor. Coupled with this, if the only work available is low-paid, insecure and of poor quality, then this provides little incentive to find work.

    Amber Rudd was recently quoted as saying she thinks that Universal Credit is a ‘force for good’ – at the present time I can only see the harm that it is causing.

    John Costello
    Activist for ‘We Are Shadows’

    John Costello

    January 7, 2019 at 9:35 am

  12. If the government actually cared, they would have never rushed through such a welfare reform. We have to remember their premise for introduction was 1.6 million out of work, workshy, workless households and fraud. All those have been disproved long ago and the 1.6 million was only because we were on the back of a global depression so most would have ended up back in work even if the benefits system remained the same.
    All the new reform did was slap policing on working benefits and credits, further victimize the ill and disabled while leaving the largest claimers of benefits, pensioners alone. I call it sludge but effectively at any given time you will always have 440’000 to 880’000 unemployed claimants either fit for work or fit for work with assistance who will have slim (50%) to no chance of employment . That has not changed now or back when labour were in power, its a consistent fact.
    That number has now increased to include anyone working under 30 hours a week (16 hours if disabled or single parent).
    If we talk only housing benefit cost for the groups, 38% are employed while 16.2% are unemployed and 35.8% who are unemployed and are no required or expected to ever. I made those on ESA Work Related Activity Group all housing benefit takers meaning the unemployed percentage could well be as low as a 3rd of those employed in percentage terms.
    If we talk only child tax credit (around 3’640’000), 61% are employed while 29% unemployed.

    Lastly low and behold household debt sets a new record.

    doug

    January 7, 2019 at 9:48 am

    • True that.

      Hammer on the Mountain

      January 7, 2019 at 12:05 pm

  13. Andrew Coates

    January 7, 2019 at 1:41 pm

  14. A lot of disabled people have never had a job, so when it comes to Universal Credit you need a CV. People with no CV don’t stand a chance of anything. Not only is there problems with UC there are huge problems with PIP & ESA. People on UC who are working & get sick will have to get a sick with a medical from ATOS or Maximus. The bogus medical will over ride any real medical evidence from real doctors & GP;s. The Tories are gambling £ Billions to try & make Welfare Reform work & will spend over £200 Billion to make the point of work pays by spending way over their means. The return for the Tories investment is State Sponsored Murders. But the Tories have spent £50 Billion on making poverty even worse.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    January 7, 2019 at 2:41 pm

  15. It beggars belief why anyone is queuing at a foodbank. The shops are full to the rafters with cheap cakes, biscuits and chocolates. We have just filled our trolley with twenty 750g Stollens from a German ‘discounter’
    at £1 a piece. We have a cupboard full of mince pies, biscuits and cakes. We have had to put the Stollen in the garage along with the Lindt chocolates. We still have our eyes on a boxes of Luxury Belgian Chocolates. We are waiting to see if they suddenly budge from £25 a box. If they drop to £2.50 we will buy the lots.

    The Lard Arses

    January 7, 2019 at 5:17 pm

    • Seems you have not heard of sanctions. Also why would people waste money chocolate. Tory PR for poverty. But I do have to say Tory Chat Bot. Do not insult the poor with a dictatorship in genocide.

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      January 7, 2019 at 6:31 pm

  16. Denial Factory denies Human Rights.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    January 7, 2019 at 6:32 pm

    • lo at you Stepping. You have been ranting on for years about how the UK Government is out to kill you, Yet here you still are alive and very much kicking out your nonsense posts. You should try and go living somewhere like Singapore. In Singapore there is no welfare system whatsoever. It does not matter if you are unemployed, sick, disabled or old there is absolutely no welfare system. Now think about if you lived in a place like Singapore. Do you think you would be online ranting about how the Government are out to kill you? Or would you be very much dead? You should be grateful and thankful that you live in a country that has supported you, someone who in pure fiscal terms is a drain on society, for free for the whole of your adult life.

      Singapore Girl

      January 8, 2019 at 11:22 am

      • Human Rights is the issue !!! Tory Chat Bot go back on social media.

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        January 8, 2019 at 12:36 pm

  17. The DWP won’t finish the rollout of Universal Credit by 2022, the time of the next election. Puts Labour in a very difficult position. Are they going to scrap it if elected ? Or just look the other way and finish the job the Tories started ?

    Rob T.

    January 7, 2019 at 7:46 pm

    • Strange that the people running the job centres, and delighting in making the poor hoop jump,rather than go on strike to demand fair treatment… are mostly Labour voters,
      What’s that about?

      Thought Criminal

      January 7, 2019 at 10:24 pm

  18. `Fake Homeless’: Who’s Begging on the Streets?

    Ellie Flynn investigates reports of people being duped by beggars claiming to be homeless. She visits Cambridgeshire, where police have adopted a zero-tolerance approach to begging, and speaks to so-called `homeless vigilante’ Ashley Sims in Devon. He photographs, investigates and shames people he believes are pretending to be homeless

    BBC One, Tonight, January 8th at 22:45*

    *Regional times vary

    BBC

    January 8, 2019 at 10:40 am

  19. The UK is the fifth largest economy in the world. It is also currently experiencing a record high level of employment and very low levels of unemployment. Yet despite these significant achievements it is undeniable that there is a growing poverty issue across the country.

    Many UK workers are falling below the poverty line and Brexit uncertainty may be making matters worse.

    In-work poverty
    60% of those in poverty in the UK are in families where someone works

    8 million people are in poverty even though all adults in that family work full-time

    https://www.personneltoday.com/hr/in-work-poverty-and-the-role-of-hr/

    There are some serious problems here a weak economy leading to some form of state/handout dependency,a Brexit agreement where one person is left wandering hopeless and clueless among many who will not change or shift position in front of billions watching.Who negotiated this agreement the same people who ran the election campaign? The country has been left looking isolated ,weak the EU as a whole don’t appear to be listening this could go on.

    Work and Pensions Secretary Amber Rudd is to scrap an imminent Commons vote on plans allowing all existing claimants of relevant benefits to be moved onto the new all-in-one payment.

    Was this to avoid anymore negative publicty in the commons and then snowballing across the media with a already a crisis developing further?.

    ken

    January 8, 2019 at 8:14 pm

    • The problems with WANT

      Financial education

      Last – but certainly not least – it’s worth also keeping in mind that very few of the UK’s working population has ever received any formal financial education. Providing such a service is a very low cost solution which will help demystify financial issues for employees at all levels, while also giving some practical hints and tips to help workers save on everyday costs.

      Don’t buy what you don’t need, it’s simplre really.

      enigma

      January 9, 2019 at 11:08 am

  20. I, Daniel Blake

    After a heart attack, a 59-year-old joiner needs help from the state to receive Employment and Support Allowance. He crosses paths with a single mother, Katie, and her two young children, Daisy and Dylan. Katie’s only chance to escape a one-roomed homeless hostel in London has been to accept a flat in a city she doesn’t know, 300 miles away.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08c2xlg/i-daniel-blake?suggid=b08c2xlg

    iPlayer

    January 9, 2019 at 10:52 am

  21. I, Daniel Blake

    After a heart attack, a 59-year-old joiner needs help from the state to receive Employment and Support Allowance. He crosses paths with a single mother, Katie, and her two young children, Daisy and Dylan. Katie’s only chance to escape a one-roomed homeless hostel in London has been to accept a flat in a city she doesn’t know, 300 miles away.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08c2xlg/i-daniel-blake?suggid=b08c2xlg

    iPlayer

    January 9, 2019 at 10:53 am

  22. Should DWP staff be held accountable for their ruthless decisions behind the deaths of many of their victims?

    Violet

    January 9, 2019 at 12:54 pm

  23. DWP have payment glitch or did they ?

    Today its reported DWPs payment system sent out half of peoples ESA and JSA early and will do so again next week. Now that’s an odd glitch and as yet hasn’t been explained if its UC related only, legacy only or both on a shared system.

    The actual incident it appears occurred over late Christmas (period offices are shut to signing on) and considering the timing of when until stopped DWP intended to migrate legacy claimants over to UC right on christmas, one has to inquire whether it was a glitch at all as do remember, DWP claimed existing claimants would receive 1 more 2wk payment while waiting for UCs 4/5 or week waiting period.

    It would make sense from a payroll stance to alter or enter a threshold than cancel numerous existing payments and reissue each afresh (takes less time and effort.

    Is it possible then that those who received early payment could have well been the first contestants to be made to go onto UC over Christmas had the great shift gone ahead.

    doug

    January 9, 2019 at 2:14 pm

    • I got an IS payment early too. Have I just dodged the UC bullet?

      Dan

      January 9, 2019 at 3:09 pm

    • Happened round here to loads of people….

      Andrew Coates

      January 10, 2019 at 4:59 pm

  24. Angela Eagle labels Universal Credit rollout as ‘rolling disaster area

    UNIVERSAL Credit was labelled a “rolling disaster area” which is “causing real distress” as the Government faced a grilling over the slowdown of its rollout

    https://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/17344849.angela-eagle-labels-universal-credit-rollout-as-rolling-disaster-area/

    Thirsk MP raises concerns about universal credit payments

    he Thirsk and Malton MP has raised concerns about the payments system for universal credit.

    Kevin Hollinrake says his constituents are being paid in four weekly cycles meaning they could be paid twice in the same month and appear to be earning more than they actually did.

    http://www.hambletontoday.co.uk/thirsk-mp-raises-concerns-about-universal-credit/

    Hartlepool MP Mike Hill challenges Work and Pensions Secretary Amber Rudd to visit Hartlepool and see effects of Universal Credit

    Speaking in the House of Commons on Monday, Mr Hill said: “In Hartlepool, one in five claimants lose their disability benefit, and we have an estimated nine food banks.

    “We were one of the pilot areas for universal credit.

    https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/politics/hartlepool-mp-mike-hill-challenges-work-and-pensions-secretary-amber-rudd-to-visit-hartlepool-and-see-effects-of-universal-credit-1-9526306

    ken

    January 9, 2019 at 7:06 pm

  25. RT are following this subject.

    ken

    January 9, 2019 at 7:11 pm

  26. Now the Tories are getting angry. The 2019 General Election will be won on the failure of Universal Credit not some Brexit side show. Local issues that are being ignored with cuts or services & care. The failure Tories will be up in front of a Human Rights War Crimes Court for murdering the British people as part of their policy of Not Having The Right To Live Without ………. 1a, 1b…….. & so it goes to 55a of the Human Rights Act. Come on Tory criminals get writing admitting your crimes. Dodgy David Cameron will be there also. The Tories can’t help being idiots in Human Rights.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    January 9, 2019 at 7:15 pm

  27. John mc

    We will win power, sanctions will be stopped, jobcentres will have jobs available for jobseekers, if the jobseekers don’t take up these jobs they will not be given benefits.

    enigma

    January 10, 2019 at 11:00 am

    • So what are labour going to do about those employers who keep overlooking longterm and ESA unemployed. How do they intend to support them into work.
      Every party promises work but ultimately who gets hired still remains the reserve of the employer.
      Lastly what jobs, paid jobs, volunteer jobs, who are these employers onboard who will denote their energy to only hiring the unemployed ?

      doug

      January 10, 2019 at 11:13 am

      • The waiting game!

        enigma

        January 10, 2019 at 11:16 am

    • John Mc?! Labour will bring in a massive workfare scheme if they ever one power. And brutal, even more brutal sanctions, if you don’t play ball. Menial shitty jobs that nobody wants. Building public works that will be sold off to the private sector on the cheap at a later date. The ‘good’ jobs will always remain the preserve of the middle-classes and upwards. Anyway, the unemployed should prepare for a right royal kick up the arse if John Mc C and JC ever take the reins of power. You will pine for the days of the ‘soft touch Tories’. Be careful what you wish for… because you might just get it.

      Chinese Curse

      January 10, 2019 at 11:28 am

      • *win

        Chinese Curse

        January 10, 2019 at 11:28 am

    • Hitler solved unemployment at a stroke. There was NO unemployment in Hitler’s Germany or Stalinist Russia. Everyone had a ‘job’. This is what J Mc and JC are alluding to when they talk about ‘full employment’.

      Irma Grece

      January 10, 2019 at 11:36 am

  28. Addresses and references need to go.

    To of the greatest weapons in an employers arsenal when talking recruitment is the two above. If your homeless, sofa surfing,etc your in trouble. If your long term unemployed or a person with known disablement or illness your in trouble.
    Does it not make good sense to prohibit both these being obtained considering where you live plays no part in the job you will do and references as previous companies aren’t allowed to make them personal, only speak for minor things like attendance which regardless still sees the government saying unemployed claimants must work but how can they if their past is used against them.

    doug

    January 10, 2019 at 11:20 am

    • They just might be in the british laws.

      enigma

      January 10, 2019 at 11:24 am

    • That is an interesting point Doug,I was told not to put an address on a CV because it could go against me.Its all silly much as the same as not disclosing age,they will find out of course at some point.Theres also inwork support instead of moving someone to another task they just overlook the application at the agency stage.

      ken

      January 10, 2019 at 7:02 pm

  29. The able bodied unemployed have abused the system far to long & fit for work because there is nothing wrong with them. Unlike disabled people who do not have a choice of fit for work. You can only get a job with a CV & most disabled people have never had a job because they are long term disabled people. So how can disabled people work without a CV let alone coping with their disability. Are people who are disabled going to put on their CV bi-polar, suicidal, depression & many other disabled medical conditions. What a great CV who is going to hire you. The disabled have many more barriers to face than the abled bodied because they have far less choices. WCA bogus medicals are fraud for profit & political gain. The Human Rights are a disabled issue not an unemployment issue. Universal Credit is also a Human Rights issue. People who were born disabled have the biggest barriers in society because they know no different. I agree the unemployment system is not right giving sanctions because it costs a lot more money to give sanctions than to pay JSA. That is called corporate business. These Tories are more hated than Margaret Thatcher.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    January 10, 2019 at 12:09 pm

  30. Andrew Coates

    January 10, 2019 at 5:08 pm

  31. I visited joke centre yesterday & coach told me I am being sent to another provider/poverty pimp next week for a back to work course. I told her I will participate but will not be signing any paperwork. Then she informed me that it is mandatory to sign paperwork so I asked for it in writing, so she said if I look at my new claimant commitment it will say I have to sign & if I fail to do so I WILL be sanctioned. According to coachy DWP’s own rules clearly state that it is compulsory to sign provider pw, anyone here got some good advice for me it would be much appreciated.

    Violet

    January 10, 2019 at 6:12 pm

    • if it was mandatory via the dwp you would not have to sign anything and if that is the case then why not sanction you for the last time? lol.

      there just trying to bully you for the providers profit dwp own rules state you dont have to sign anything my tribunal letter also states this as fact!

      now did you sign this new cc or read it b4 you did as now saying it is mandatory to sign! what? so they saying you have to sign everyone’s ans anyone’s paperwork now because you signed a cc.

      dont forget they did sanction me but at the end of the day there playing a loosing game as you will win at a tribunal.

      contract law and data protection regarding 3rd party providers are company’s for profit and in now way they can force you to sign there paper work it has to be done of free will and not forced via sanctions.

      sounds like ur coach thinks they can do what they like i mean they could put i have to jump of a cliff on my cc what they going to do if i dont sanction me pmsl.

      superted

      January 10, 2019 at 6:26 pm

      • also i have been doing this even b4 the first work programme and i have had about 28 sanction doubts raised over this and other things regarding providers and it never goes past the dm if done in writing with foi stating there own rules and regs regarding this.

        now with the cc stating you have to sign id not worry about this as again there braking there own rules using a cc as a way to force you to do something under threats of sanction if you dont so a tribunal will take one look at this and imo throw it out.

        this was my defence i used at tribunal and won in 9mins.
        On the 21/11/16 I was to referred to Skills Conditionality, a programme run by Adult Education, Gloucester, by Gloucester Jobcentre Plus. No prior assessment of my skills need was conducted by Jobcentre Plus prior to this referral.

        On attending Adult Education on 28/11/16 I requested that a skills assessment be carried out in order to identity any suitable training opportunities. This request was denied. Instead I was presented with an enrolment form, the sole purpose of which was to obtain funding for Adult Education . I declined to sign this enrolment form. Adult Education then informed me that I would be reported to Jobcentre Plus for “failing to participate in the Skills Conditionality programme”. I made it clear to Adult Education that I was willing to participate in the Skills Conditionality programme but I was unwilling to sign the enrolment form.

        It is my understanding that under the Data Protection Act, and as referenced by the Freedom of Information request obtained from the DWP (enc)* that there is no need for me to enter into contracts with third-party ‘providers’ to the DWP or to waive my rights as to the sharing of my personal and sensitive data.

        Summing up

        1: DWP failed to carryout the requested procedure of identifying a skills need/barrier prior to enrolment be that done by themselves or having me referred to a provider to carry this out. Furthermore DWP failed to record the results of this skills screening to identify a main skills barrier preventing them going into work.

        2: If JCP expected said provider to carryout this skills screening then this provider breached their agreement with JCP/DWP as well as SFA who also require certain assessment/s to be carried out prior to enrolment for funding purposes/contractual rules. Further more this provider knows SFA funding does not cover the cost of any prior assessment or enrolment process.

        Additional summing up

        1: A signature must be given of free will as must be the supplying of personal documents but cannot be said to be such if made to do so under any form of duress.

        2: Pursuant to the data protection act schedules 1, 2 and 3 personal and or sensitive data shall be processed fairly and lawfully and, in particular, shall not be processed unless one condition is met in schedule 2 and or 3 dependent on nature of data (personal or sensitive)

        3: Clearly on the enrolment a signature is required not only for the learners agreement but also for data processing. Irrespective of reason the learner must consent of their own free will and not under any form of duress.

        superted

        January 10, 2019 at 6:39 pm

    • I asked for it in writing, so she said if I look at my new claimant commitment it will say I have to sign & if I fail to do so I WILL be sanctioned.

      Thats very bad were you given a chance to examine this agreement?.It might be worth taking it to the Citizens Advice Bureau also.

      Undue influence can arise where there is a relationship between the parties which has been exploited by one party to gain an unfair advantage.

      If it is Universal Credit.

      It could include acts such as threatening to end a relationship

      https://www.inbrief.co.uk/contract-law/duress-undue-influence-in-contracts/

      If you feel that you are being pressured into signing something that you don’t want to and will suffer loss if you don’t (i.e. get sanctioned)then you can put VC or Vi Coactus after your signature. This shows that you signed it under duress.

      https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/signatures

      social behaviour contract, a conclusion he says DWP has not challenged.

      https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/judge-brands-dwp-jobseekers-agreement-unlawful-action-disabled-claimant/

      ken

      January 10, 2019 at 7:18 pm

      • Thanks Ken.

        Violet

        January 10, 2019 at 7:34 pm

  32. The first world war wasn’t our fault: The second world war wasn’t our fault: Brexit is our fault and self-inflicted.

    The British might have been brave during time of war but, man, oh man, Brexit shows beyond any reasonable doubt they are dumb as posts during time of peace. A small country in decline with China and India in the ascendant you will rue the day you abandoned the greatest single market that the world has ever seen to go you own way, alone, and hasten your powerlessness and unimportance in the world.

    You poor, sad, deluded fools.

    Britannia looks set to end up Uncle Sam’s hooker.

    Wolfgang von Gothe

    January 10, 2019 at 6:28 pm

  33. If its a 2 week course I would do it, its not for whp. Might get coach off your back
    For abit

    Catwoman

    January 10, 2019 at 6:33 pm

    • no if you give um a inc they will try to take a mile every time and the next thing you know ur on a 2 year stint down the whp 😉

      superted

      January 10, 2019 at 6:43 pm

  34. Superted I told coach that I wouldn’t be signing any third party contract & guess what she said it will not be a contract I’ll be signing talk about telling me outright fooking lies. I think these b*stards are making it up as they go along sick f*cks!!!

    Violet

    January 10, 2019 at 6:53 pm

    • yeah i get it every time i see someone new they think there god and nothing can touch them if they ignore foi stating there own rules and regs then thats up to them cos a judge will see them as the dwp rules and regs and then there in breach of office pushing a sanction as the coach is the one to push that button.

      remember they want that sig for something and thats funding 😉

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      superted

      January 10, 2019 at 7:01 pm

  35. Too right they would have sanctioned me last time if it was really mandatory according to “DWP rules & regulations” 😉

    Violet

    January 10, 2019 at 6:57 pm

  36. Coach also said that if I don’t accept new cc I will be sanctioned they’re really trying to stitch me up.

    Violet

    January 10, 2019 at 7:37 pm

    • if you think what they have put on ur cc is unreasonable then you are well within ur rights to refuse to sign it i have many times 😉

      now as there only changing it to force you in to something if they sanction you then there in a hole pile of shite for bending the rules to suit one person and to suit the coaches forcing you in to something via threats of sanctions.

      thats like holding a gun to ur head and saying sign this cc or else, id say or else what, what grounds will you be sanctioning you under and what legislation and want it in writing.

      but you wont get it because there just trying to bully you in to doing what they say like a sheep and talking complete crap to boot.

      superted

      January 10, 2019 at 8:12 pm

    • They shouldn’t be saying that,it might be worth having a look here also if Universal Credit.

      https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/claimant_commitment_is_not_a_con

      The problem here is many people are alone often feel pressurised/intimidated and are given the impression or feeling they will be losing their income if they don’t comply.the Claiment Commitment here isn’t worth the paper its written on,simply removing everything and not expaining changes didn’t lead to me finding employment.

      Some time ago a Jobcentre clerk told me some employers follow the law some make it up as they go along,Universal Credit will never change that all that matters is what they (agencies) say and demand.

      ken

      January 10, 2019 at 8:13 pm

      • ken they put 35hr job search on my cc but i never do it pmsl cos they can not enforce it as there is no legislation regarding it as it is not law.

        but silly dwp still try it on until they get there ass kicked in at tribunal lol.

        the jcp staff might have great expectations that they want to put on a cc but at the end of the day thats all they are.

        all a coach can do sanction wise is do a ase doubt actively seeking employment and that means looking for and applying for jobs.

        so if they send you to a provider and say you will participate but sign nothing as buy law you are not required to dwp own rules and regs it leaves them no option as they will loose at tribunal as it will be unlawful.

        next time you see your coach id tell them you are not playing there game anymore you will not sign any 3rd party paperwork nott even the bog roll per dwp rules and regs and if they have a problem with this sanction away put in a mr in writing and make it clear if the mr fails you will be taking this up with the courts and tribunal service via the sscs1 form to apply.

        superted

        January 10, 2019 at 8:30 pm

    • Violet

      What exactly does your new CC say, please?

      My CC says: “I understand my Coach may require me to take part in certain schemes to help me improve my chances of finding work…” Everyone has that on their CC. DWP cannot put on CC “I will sign provider’s paperwork/contract”. That’s between you and the provider.

      Complain to the Jobcentre manger and your MP in writing/email. I stress, in WRITING! The more evidence you have, the better. If you are able to make an audio recording, so much the better.

      jj joop

      January 10, 2019 at 8:17 pm

  37. Hey up jj, cc says that I will attend provider next week & I WILL sign provider paper work. Coach told me to my face that if I didn’t sign I will definitely get a sanction because according to dwp rules and regs it is mandatory to sign All paper work, my coach is a right evil bully, think she is probably just trying it on.

    Violet

    January 10, 2019 at 8:35 pm

    • they cant even make you provide a job search in the way they want it in as it is your personnel data and can be provided any way that you like, tho make sure you can back it up with proof.

      https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/448380/response/1119550/attach/html/2/FoI%205283%20IR%20662%20IR%2053%20reply.pdf.html

      DWP Response
      DWP have no recorded information which refers to a legal or mandatory requirement
      for participants on the Work and Health Programme to complete or sign paper or
      electronic documents drawn up by a provider.

      https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/310933/response/760040/attach/html/3/FOI%20152%20Rev.pdf.html

      It is not a mandatory requirement for claimants to fill in or sign any provider
      forms or documents when participating in a provider led mandatory activity or
      programme.

      Because it is not mandatory, there is no recorded data held detailing any
      action DWP or a provider can take against those who have declined to sign
      said forms or documents.

      thats the foi i sent in with my sscs1 form, nothing has changed law wise.

      superted

      January 10, 2019 at 8:44 pm

    • If the Work Coach has only told you this verbally and not given you a direction in writing he/she is almost certainly trying it on and scare you into agreeing to something you are not obliged to. Tell him/her that if he/she, or the manager of the Jobcentre, puts the order to comply in writing in a signed letter that you will do as you are told but, as others have advised you differently, that unless you have documentary proof that someone in the Jobcentre has told you that you have to do as you are told, which you can use in evidence if you chose to contest this later, you will attend the course/provider they ask you to but will not sign any other documents belonging to the private provider or enter into any kind of contract with them unwillingly.

      If the Jobcentre won’t play ball see your MP, hopefully not a Tory.

      He/she must look into the matter on your behalf and put the outcome of what he/she discovers in writing.

      Hammer on the Mountain

      January 10, 2019 at 8:46 pm

    • DWP cannot put that on your CC, it’s basically illegal. Whether or not you sign the provider’s paperwork is between you and the provider, and has got bugger-all to do with the JC.

      Have you actually signed the CC stating that you will sign provider’s paperwork/enrolment forms?

      jj joop

      January 10, 2019 at 9:00 pm

      • jj, I agree to do everything on the cc except signing paperwork so I haven’t signed it yet. I dare’nt.

        Violet

        January 10, 2019 at 9:47 pm

      • Let us know how you get on. Your coach sounds like a right nut-job. The fact she let you leave the Jobcentre without signing the CC speaks for itself.

        jj joop

        January 11, 2019 at 7:28 am

  38. Hammer on the mountain (great name) I am attending provider next week & will definitely NOT be signing any of their paperwork I’m visiting job centre tomorrow to make a complaint about being bullied, threatened & coerced I’ve had enough.

    Violet

    January 10, 2019 at 8:57 pm

    • Try and record your complaint. The more evidence you have, the better.

      jj joop

      January 10, 2019 at 9:02 pm

      • and if you go to the provider keep anything they ask you to sign as may need it later and also ask them to state the reason you are being asked to leave when you are willing to participate in writing, tho they will prob say no as i refused to leave until i got one and the only other way i was going to leave was to get the police to remove me from reception.

        DSC_0596

        tho they never say the real reason why and make up total crap and lies but it all boils down to 1 thing ££££

        superted

        January 10, 2019 at 9:13 pm

    • @ Violet

      Everything on you claimant commitment is supposed to be the result of a “negotiation” between you and your work coach not a list of orders handed out without mutual agreement. That is why you have to sign your CC before it become enforceable. Work coaches are not allowed to mislead claimants into agreeing to anything optional non-consensually although many do exploiting nervousness in claimants to question things and stand up for themselves. If your work coach is pressuring you to do something that you don’t have to do unless you consent and you don’t want to go along with it, you need something like a recording of the interview or better still a signed letter, showing that you have been told lies, to prove that the work coach has been deceiving you. Without this if you sign your CC and try to contest it later your work coach will spin the line that he/she explained everything to you and that you agreed voluntarily to undertake what was recorded on you CC and weren’t coerced and it would be your word against him/her.

      If I were you and my work coach threatened me like that I would tell him/her that you have been advised by others that you do not have to bind yourself contractually to private providers unless you consent to do so voluntarily and, because of this advice, would not be willing sign any CC stipulating that you agreed to do so unless given a signed and dated latter from the work coach, or Jobcentre manager, stating explicitly that you must sign-up as suggested or suffer a sanction for refusing. I would also tell him/her that you require documentary evidence along these lines to enable you to contest any penalty with a decision maker or at a tribunal.

      Once you sign your CC you can be sanctioned if you fail to fulfil whatever happens to be written on it and so you need to be careful to make sure that voluntary stuff, e.g., unpaid work experience, which you can refuse and don’t want to isn’t inserted into the list of commitments and accepted by you by mistake.

      Work coaches are not allowed to lie to you, although many of them do all the time, but in order to frustrate their bullying and deceit if they try it on, and some do, you need to be able to prove that they have tried to mislead you deliberately. What better way to do that than by having a personal signed and dated letter recording their lies for all to see? Everybody should read their claimant commitment thoroughly and contest anything that has been included on it which you have not agreed to voluntarily before signing it!

      Work coaches are just people at the end of the day and a small number of them are truly evil bastards.

      Hammer on the Mountain

      January 11, 2019 at 9:15 am

      • NO means NO! ‘Work coaches’ are trying to trick, threaten and cajole their victims into giving ‘consent’. Work coaches have the same mentality as a rapist. The use exactly the same methodology tactics and modus operandi as rapists. They are intent on forcing their will on their victims. Why aren’t these bastards behind bars?

        Luther

        January 11, 2019 at 10:11 am

      • I visited job centre today & made a complaint about my coach using threats & coercion to force me to sign provider pw, I also put I’m not happy with my new claimant commitment and will not accept it until the part about signing providers documents has been made null and void. I was told the manager would give me a call this afternoon, so am hoping to get this crap cleared up.

        Violet

        January 11, 2019 at 12:31 pm

      • This is baloney! Just reading this is enough to make the blood boil! What this work coach is doing is an abuse and misuse of the claimant commitment. The claimant committent consists of action(s) taken to look for work. e.g. “I will look in the Ipswich Star. Weekly.How can agreeing to enter into a contract with a ‘provider’ be considered an action in looking for work. It is not the purpose the the claimant commitment to coerce claimants into ‘agreeing’ to do this that otherwise they have no requirement, legally or otherwise to carry out. Say a particular ‘programme’ is ‘voluntary’. A ‘work coach’ can’t just add “I will attend x programme” and then threaten the claimant with sanctions if they do not agree to the claimant committent. The claimant committent is not there to coerce claimants into surrendering their legal rights. This ‘work coach’ should be SACKED and pronto. Any other job and the bastard would be out the door. Good luck with this, Violet

        Saffron

        January 11, 2019 at 11:48 pm

    • jj, couldn’t sign cc as it was put on my journal, coachy ordered me to go home & click on the “I except my commitment” by the 16th of January I’m not going to as I don’t agree with the part about signing poverty pimps crap paperwork.

      Violet

      January 11, 2019 at 4:23 pm

  39. You people have been great thanks for all your help I’ll take it all on board 🌼

    Violet

    January 10, 2019 at 9:38 pm

  40. Why enter into a third-party contract with a ‘provider’ when there is not legal requirement to do so. Why give the ‘provider’ the power to abuse you and raise a sanction doubt when you don’t have to? Why give the Jobcentre the power to sanction you (for up to three years) when you don’t have to. The Jobcentre will just laugh in your face.

    Besides, there is no way a claimant commitment should contain “I will attend x provider and complete and sign all paperwork as required”. This is the old Jobcentre trick of pretending that they don’t know the law. Wilful ignorance* of the law is in itself a criminal offence and in any case ignorance of the Law is never an excuse.. There is a big difference in the roach putting their outrageous demand in the cc and the manger giving you a direction to do so – that would drop them right in it. The roach’s behaviour also falls under misconduct in a public office and if the Jobcentre pursues this they are guilty of malicious administration.

    The Law is clear: there is no legal requirement to enter into third-party contracts with ‘providers’.

    *Wilful ignorance or contrived ignorance or Nelsonian knowledge is a term used in law to describe a situation in which a person seeks to avoid civil or criminal liability for a wrongful act by intentionally keeping himself or herself unaware of facts that would render him or her liable.

    Flying Visitor

    January 10, 2019 at 10:02 pm

    • the adviser that sanctioned me and its floor manager have been mia since i won the tribunal as it was complete malicious administration.

      what they did not bank on was im not stupid and they was playing my game this time they even waited 3 months b4 the sanction was raised so even got a budgeting loan to cover the sanction.

      you should of seen the look on the adviser face when they said i could get a hardship loan but said im ok i seen you coming 😉

      ever since then i see random ppl and am not on anyone’s case load its like they dont want to play with me anymore pmsl.

      superted

      January 10, 2019 at 10:38 pm

      • Always a good sign, ted 😉 Just like being ‘parked’ on the work programme 😀

        Nippy

        January 10, 2019 at 11:26 pm

      • i was not parked i refused to sign there contract so they could not process my personnel data even back then 😉

        it is my data it is my choice it dont matter if it is the dwp or a 3rd party i can not be forced or coerce via threats of sanctions if i dont.

        the dwp dont even have my phone number or email address as it is my data and my choice who i share it with.

        i am also not required buy law to provide it to keep on the dwp system as a means of contact tho they keep asking for it or some one is on the lms.

        superted

        January 10, 2019 at 11:45 pm

      • The Civil Service Code and DWP Standards of Behaviour policy outline the
        key principles of behaviour expected from all DWP employees.
        The Civil Service Code is the framework upon which the Department’s
        Standards of Behaviour are buil

        This includes treating all customers sympathetically
        and in a way that complies with the Department’s Diversity and Equality
        policy.
        Where a failure to meet acceptable standards of behaviour or misconduct is
        suspected or alleged, the matter is rigorously investigated

        https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/336582/response/829284/attach/html/3/WDTK%20response%201995.pdf.html

        ken

        January 11, 2019 at 9:51 pm

      • The funny thing, ken is that job adverts for ‘work coaches’, ‘compliance officers’, ‘fraud investigators’… all stipulate that “you must be of compassionate nature as you will be dealing with vulnerable people”.

        Mayflower

        January 11, 2019 at 10:11 pm

      • pathological liar.!

        They are often white lies that spare another’s feelings, reflect a pro-social attitude, and make civilized human contact possible. Pathological lying can be described as a habituation of lying. It is when an individual consistently lies for no personal gain. There are many consequences of being a pathological liar.

        😉

        superted

        January 11, 2019 at 10:22 pm

      • Idiot was formerly a legal and psychiatric category of profound intellectual disability, in which a person’s mental age is two years or less, and he or she cannot guard against common dangers. Along with terms like moron, imbecile, and cretin, the term is now archaic and offensive,[1] and was replaced by the term “profound mental retardation” (which has itself since been replaced by other terms).

        Nowadays, “idiot” is a derogatory term for a stupid or foolish person.

        superted

        January 11, 2019 at 10:25 pm

  41. Here come the U-turns folks.

    https://news.sky.com/story/universal-credit-gets-reset-as-amber-rudd-scraps-two-child-benefits-cap-11604082

    And this is only the beginning. The Tories are slowly beginning to realise that persecution of benefit claimants is no longer “sexy”, has gone too far and had its day. Poverty porn demonising benefit recipients, like Benefits Street etc., has all but disappeared from our screens and the Conservatives are beginning to pay a high price politically for being “consciously cruel”, as Ken Loach would say, to so many innocent and vulnerable people so publicly.

    Watch this space, or blog should I say, as many more changes are announced.

    Universal Credit as it is simply cannot stand.

    Jim

    January 11, 2019 at 8:48 am

    • Indeed, Jim. The completely unjustifiable, like the rest of Osborne’s ‘austerity’ bull-crap. benefit ‘freeze’ keeps rearing it ugly head. Wonder if that will be put out of it’s misery ahead of time. Same with the 5-week
      built-in delay. If Rudd wants my vote 😀 she really needs to scrap this. Existing claimants should be simply transferred over and new claimants receive their first payment shortly like it has always been. The five-week delay like Osborne’s ‘benefit freeze’ is a another left-over idea of that fuckwit IDS.

      Jemima

      January 11, 2019 at 9:04 am

      • Should mention that IDS set it originally at SIX weeks.

        Jemima

        January 11, 2019 at 9:06 am

    • Jim

      While the public dont care about adults, they do about children who aren’t responsible for anything who are the ones who ultimately pay the price.
      This of course is a hollow gesture as we dont have that many families with 3 or more kids compared to families with 1 or 2 kids. Its also worth to note that most of these families are working which we know does not sustain a single adult let alone one with children.
      With brexit looming and an ever increasing redraw of EU citizens while many more abstain coming here to live and work, it wouldn’t be good governance in a capitalist society to bite ones nose off by acting like having more than one kid is a bad idea as whose going to pay off the national debt in the future,hows the financial sector going to get new people in debt, how about colleges and university making money.

      doug

      January 11, 2019 at 11:31 am

      • @ doug

        You’re right of course. Thing is child benefit was supposed to help all parents with children to raise those children so it seems perverse that the government wanted to use the benefit as a form of economic contraception to discourage the poor from having more than 2 children by not paying it from the third child onwards: it seems very hard-handed to threaten poor people, who end up with more than 2 children, with hardship by refusing benefits in order to, let’s be blunt, discourage poor people from breeding.

        I find this creepy, moralistic and unpleasant because children never ask to be born and should not suffer or be disadvantaged because of anything their parents have done in the past, are doing now, nor how many times they have done such things.

        Sorry but I find this ugly, disturbing and depressing.

        How the heck did we end up here?

        Jim

        January 11, 2019 at 5:31 pm

      • Better to stop thinking of them as babies and instead as young adults. What becomes of the adults? Some babies are born as drug addicts? Would YOU really want to be born a drug addict? What future do they have to look forward too? It is not like they are set to live a charmed life brimming with opportunity like one of Jacob Rees-Moggs kids? Would YOU really want to be born if all you had was a shit life to look forward to? Fodder for the prison and criminal justice system. Fodder for the Jobcentre and benefits system? Fodder to keep the kids of middle-class parents in cushy jobs such as social workers? It is like Freddy Mercury (Rip) sang, “Mamma, I don’t want to die. Sometimes I wish I had never been born at all.”

        Bohemian Rhasody

        January 11, 2019 at 5:45 pm

      • doug

        If you are born poor, you will live poor, you will die poor. If you are poor and have a kid (to get more in universal credit) you are condemning your kid or kids to a life of poverty (on universal credit). It is a never-ending cycle.

        A lot of segments of society who themselves are not poor benefit from the poor. In fact, the poor keep them in a cushy lifestyle. It is not just the ‘professions’: lawyers, police, prison staff, court staff, social work, mental health, doctors, pharmaceutical industry, benefits agency. There is a whole big ‘poverty industry’ out there. There is a buck in everything – even poverty. For instance, homelessness, Trussell Trust foodbank franchises. Vested interests know that they will turn a pretty penny further down the line from the poor having as many children as possible – children with no life opportunities. That is why they encourage breeding amongst the poor. They are fond of using emotive arguments.

        Peggy Sue

        January 11, 2019 at 6:06 pm

      • There was a documentary on the BBC about workers in a textile mill in India. Like spending your whole life on a DWP workfare scheme. Basically a shit life. The only reason their parents had them in the first place was the expectation that they would send some money to their parents when they were older and sent off to work. It was revealed that none of the workers sent any money to their parents. As one of the guys said: “The only consolation I get is that we all die. Even the rich die.”

        Ravens

        January 11, 2019 at 6:22 pm

      • Kids don’t always gets what’s meant for them. Our aunts and uncles would always send presents at xmas in a big box cos they knew we would at least get them. Me parents always moaned that they should just send money instead. Me aunts and uncles weren’t stupid cos they knew that our parents would just spend the money on themselves. Like they done with all the other money they got, Even heard them saying they only had us for the child benefits. Some of you lot need to get kid of your rose tinted specs. You would think that just being a parent made someone a selfless creature lol

        Tracey

        January 12, 2019 at 11:05 am

    • I scanned the EPG of my Freeview TV for programmes including the word “benefits” in it title and only channels in the Channel 5 stable, e.g., 5SELECT, were still showing poverty porn. The pendulum is swinging the other way now, with people cottoning on about the horror of Tory benefit reforms and how they are hurting innocent and helpless people seriously, badly enough in thousands of cases to have cause the premature death of those affected.

      Rose

      January 12, 2019 at 11:06 am

  42. What gets me is the way that the Tories keep claiming the universal credit “mirrors the world of work”. WTF? No employer could delay payment of wages for five or more weeks, or employers pay every worker in any household in one lump sum given to one member of the household, or dock one month to three years worth of pay for being late for an appointment – or take any action against an employee without two verbal and a written warning unless the employee has done something seriously criminal. UC is NOTHING like the world of work, absolutely nothing like the world of work. No employer could treat employees as cruelly and badly as the UC regime does or punish them so severely for doing bugger all wrong. Any employer behaving like that would end up in court in double quick time… as in fact the government has itself umpteen times the latest example being:

    https://news.sky.com/story/four-mothers-win-high-court-case-over-universal-credit-payment-calculations-11604381

    Rose

    January 11, 2019 at 5:46 pm

    • Unfortunatly the Conservatives dont take into account the long the consequences or the damage done long term and they simply don’t care,often taking years to emerge fully.These welfare reforms were simply designed to have a go at individuals,they couldn’t do anything about the crash but they could about that though was the thinking to gain popularity.

      some people made vast amounts of money craved publicity before simply disappearing under negative press,while those returning to the Jobcentre under the Work Programme were heavily abused and mistreated.Life under the Tories is grim and this looks to continue,for many the prospect of any employment remains distant.that party is full of individuals that don’t represent everyday life in the UK and sections of the population are simply left behind.

      ken

      January 13, 2019 at 4:33 pm

  43. What would happen if you done what coachy wants. Just went along to the provider like and signed what they asked like. What happens then? How would this play out. They send you out on work experience. What happens if you don’t don’t turn up for your work experience? Provider sends you back to joke centre. Then the sanctions start. Up to THREE YEARS like. You could easily end up on the streets. But it wouldn’t be coachy or the provider’s problem. It would be YOUR problem! TOUGH! They would laugh as they passed your frozen dead body in their fancy car. Well, the way things stand at the moment that fact that you aren’t legally required to enter into contracts with a provider is coachy and the provider’s problem. The c**** are pure and utter ruthless. Given half a chance they will throw you under the bus.
    You have to be as equally as ruthless. This coach should really be out on their no doubt fat arse. Fuck ’em. SCUM!!

    Seagull

    January 12, 2019 at 10:50 am


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