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Bad Week for Esther McVey as she makes more ” false and misleading claims” about Universal Credit.

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“Praise from across the charity sector” for Universal Credit.

Esther had a happy start to her week.

Look at these larks!

Her ladyship went on to announce this:

“The package included a £1.7 billion injection into working allowances, which will allegedly support 2.4 million working families. McVey quoted various charities that have supported the potential system, including the Child Poverty Action Group who were quoted as saying “The work allowance increase is unequivocally good news for families receiving Universal Credit.” McVey also quoted the Joseph Roundtree Foundation, stating that “This extra investment will help make Universal Credit a tool for tackling poverty.”

But every silver lining has a cloud (the eagle-eyed may notice that the original list of charities that supported her has been edited….)

 

Esther McVey makes claim about charity – and incredible twitter thread immediately shows her up

Her best friends in the Liverpool Echo continued.

Work and Pensions Secretary Esther McVey made a claim about a charity in Parliament – only for the organisation to ‘set the record straight’ with an incredible twitter thread.

Ms McVey – from Liverpool – is coming under increasing pressure over the controversial Universal Credit benefits roll-out – which is being blamed by many for pushing more people into poverty.

The government says it is making changes to its flagship benefit system in a bid to halt the damaging effects on people.

It says claimants will not have to wait as long for their money and debt repayments will be reduced.

And in Parliament, Ms McVey reeled off the names of a number of charities that she claimed had welcomed those changes and which agreed that the Department of Work and Pensions was ‘now listening to claimants.’

One of these was mental health charity Mind – and based on its stinging response on twitter, it looks like those at the charity don’t quite agree.

The Mind twitter account stated: “Yesterday the Secretary of State for Work and Pensions @EstherMcVey1 mentioned us in a list of organisations who had recognised and welcomed changes to #UniversalCredit. We thought it was important to set the record straight.”

It then launched into a powerful thread, which showed the wide-ranging criticisms and warnings it has made about Universal Credit – including since the latest changes were announced.

A comment from Mind’s Director of External Relations Sophie Corlett – from when Universal Credit was announced – said: “We are hugely concerned about the ramifications of these proposals, which leave open the real possibility that many people with mental health problems could see their benefits stopped entirely while they struggle with the process of applying Universal Credit.”

 

Esther McVey under fire from charities over misleading Universal Credit claims

Work and Pensions chief brazenly told MPs that changes to Universal Credit “had received praise from across the charity sector”.

The charity Gingerbread, who support single parents, said on Twitter: “We want to be clear – we support changes to the system that benefit single parents, but this statement does not paint the full picture.

“We are not complacent and are clear these changes do not do enough to make the system work for single parents.”

McVey has become infamous for repeatedly making false and misleading claims in and outside of Parliament.

In July 2018 she was forced to apologise to MPs for misleading Parliament about the contents of a National Audit Office report.

McVey admitted: “Whilst speaking in Parliament, in answer to questions on the National Audit Office report into Universal Credit, I mistakenly said that the NAO had asked for the rollout of Universal Credit to continue at a faster rate and to be speeded up.

“In fact the NAO did not say that Mr Speaker, and I want to apologise to you and the House for inadvertently misleading you.

“What I had meant to say was that the NAO had said that there was ‘no practical alternative to continuing with Universal Credit’.

In the meantime:

“UN envoy meets Newcastle users to gauge scale of hardship and hunger “I’m scared to eat sometimes in case we run out of food… Universal credit has punched us in the face”

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Written by Andrew Coates

November 8, 2018 at 4:15 pm

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  1. Reblogged this on sdbast.

    sdbast

    November 8, 2018 at 6:19 pm

  2. How many lies can a politician tell and still remain in post? Infinitely many it seems in Esther McVey’s case it seems. She can’t help herself. Or maybe she is just very incompetent. Probably a bit of both. But she does fib ceaselessly as she when standing at the despatch box last week to talk about universal credit. For example McVey claimed that the DWP believed in”openness” and “transparency” as far as the universal credit project was concerned, which made me laugh my socks off considering how many hundreds of thousands if not millions of pounds the department spent on legal fees in the courts trying to suppress and prevent information about universal credit from being released to the public. Awful woman. I think that her future career path can only be downward.

    Val

    November 8, 2018 at 6:50 pm

    • Bullshitology
      A course offered in many schools often known as English. A pseudoscience, it is the study of how to properly create something of little academic value but sounding reasonably intelligent enough to pass as having nutritional content. The course’s main objective is to educate students on the proper method of taking mental diahrea and through Alchemy (Thats where the science comes in) turning this shit into gold. For ninety percent of teachers the products of this course are effective enough to do well without doing actual work with the exception of the few that have previously taught the course.

      the study of bullshitting

      the class where one studies bullshit

      a joke played on people who study lies.
      i’m going to major in bullshitology when i get older

      what do you call the study of lies?
      what?
      bullshitology

      superted

      November 8, 2018 at 7:03 pm

      • I was under the impression the correct name for the study of bullshit is Bovemfaecology, which Ms McVey clearly has a Master’s Degree in

        Fenix

        November 8, 2018 at 8:12 pm

      • Superted, I went to dbc training as ordered by the joke centre, told provider I am happy to participate but will not sign paperwork, I was told they couldn’t help me & asked me to leave the premises so asked for it in writing that I agreed to take part, provider then informed me I will NOT get anything in writing & to go back to joke centre, looks like I’m in trouble

        Violet

        November 9, 2018 at 6:10 pm

      • Violet

        You are not in any trouble because as ted has said there is no legal requirement for claimants to sign third party provider contracts. As long as you didn’t refuse to participate, then the JC haven’t got a leg to stand on. You go girl! Let us know how you got on.

        jj joop

        November 10, 2018 at 6:46 pm

  3. Reblogged this on michaelsnaith.

    snaithmagmailcom

    November 8, 2018 at 11:32 pm

    • Good for you Violet I did the same, the nobcentre are fooked on this because the DWP state that you don’t have to sign third party contracts.

      petunia

      November 9, 2018 at 6:37 pm

      • yup the jcp cant do much about it as 1 its your choice and 2 its ur personnel data and dwp rules state you can participate with out signing anything and the fact you turned up and stated this now they are the ones that failed to participate because they wont get any money, thats not ur problem!!

        i only got a letter because i refused to leave with out one or said phone the police to remove me from the building pmsl took 45min but i got one and it was just lies anyway.

        on the lms it says dna on all the places i was sent when it should say pftp, provider failed to profit. 😉

        ill post these just encase you need them as proof that if they try a sanction they will fail and breach there own rules and regs.
        DSC_0693_01
        DSC_0008

        superted

        November 9, 2018 at 7:05 pm

    • I will jj.

      Violet

      November 10, 2018 at 7:09 pm

  4. Like gender age is not longer fixed – it is fluid. This means that you will be able to be as young or as old as you feel – whatever age you ‘identify’ with. It is good news though since we will be able to identify as pensionable age and retire overnight. You can then identify with being a few decades younger in order to claim young person discounts. Age will no longer be just a number that accurately that accurately predicts when you will die. You will be as young or old as you feel.

    Celia

    November 9, 2018 at 12:17 pm

    • Nice one. I’m going to redefine my age as sixty-six, retire, and put my feet up!

      Val

      November 9, 2018 at 2:40 pm

    • Superted you are a star

      Violet

      November 9, 2018 at 7:24 pm

      • the tribunal letter says it all page 59 was this foi request.
        https://intensiveactivity.wordpress.com/2016/01/30/provider-forms-not-a-mandatory-requirement-for-claimants-to-fill-in-or-sign-any-provider-forms-or-documents-when-participating-in-a-provider-led-mandatory-activity-or-programme-freedom-of-info/

        you have enough ammo there to render any sanction doubt raised gross misconduct and you watch ur work coach change there tune and imo dump you with another agent.

        superted

        November 9, 2018 at 7:44 pm

      • You certainly are Superted, hopefully a lot more follow your example and tell the pov pimps to stick it.

        petunia

        November 9, 2018 at 8:37 pm

      • watch the look on the work coaches face when they know there silly little games are now over for good.
        https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/3/32/KennethWilliams.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/300?cb=20070312120559

        superted

        November 9, 2018 at 9:28 pm

      • DSC_0596

        DSC_0699_02

        On the 21/11/16 I was to referred to Skills Conditionality, a programme run by Adult Education, Gloucester, by Gloucester Job centre Plus. No prior assessment of my skills need was conducted by Jobcentre Plus prior to this referral.

        On attending Adult Education on 28/11/16 I requested that a skills assessment be carried out in order to identity any suitable training opportunities. This request was denied. Instead I was presented with an enrolment form, the sole purpose of which was to obtain funding for Adult Education . I declined to sign this enrolment form. Adult Education then informed me that I would be reported to Jobcentre Plus for “failing to participate in the Skills Conditionality programme”. I made it clear to Adult Education that I was willing to participate in the Skills Conditionality programme but I was unwilling to sign the enrolment form.

        It is my understanding that under the Data Protection Act, and as referenced by the Freedom of Information request obtained from the DWP (enc)* that there is no need for me to enter into contracts with third-party ‘providers’ to the DWP or to waive my rights as to the sharing of my personal and sensitive data.

        Summing up

        1: DWP failed to carryout the requested procedure of identifying a skills need/barrier prior to enrolment be that done by themselves or having me referred to a provider to carry this out. Furthermore DWP failed to record the results of this skills screening to identify a main skills barrier preventing them going into work.

        2: If JCP expected said provider to carryout this skills screening then this provider breached their agreement with JCP/DWP as well as SFA who also require certain assessment/s to be carried out prior to enrolment for funding purposes/contractual rules. Further more this provider knows SFA funding does not cover the cost of any prior assessment or enrolment process.

        Additional summing up

        1: A signature must be given of free will as must be the supplying of personal documents but cannot be said to be such if made to do so under any form of duress.

        2: Pursuant to the data protection act schedules 1, 2 and 3 personal and or sensitive data shall be processed fairly and lawfully and, in particular, shall not be processed unless one condition is met in schedule 2 and or 3 dependent on nature of data (personal or sensitive)

        3: Clearly on the enrolment a signature is required not only for the learners agreement but also for data processing. Irrespective of reason the learner must consent of their own free will and not under any form of duress.

        superted

        November 10, 2018 at 1:02 am

      • Good luck with that ted pmsl

        sen

        November 10, 2018 at 7:28 am

      • the dwp lost in 9 mins 😉

        superted

        November 10, 2018 at 2:35 pm

      • My experience on these courses wasn’t great,they neither lead to employment or simply failed to complete to any level and behaviour fell far short of reasonable.People who are the long term unemployed face real challenges they simply don’t have the resources/history to cope with the demands of a shifting employment agency market.

        ken

        November 10, 2018 at 5:04 pm

      • In your dreams ted pmsl

        sen

        November 11, 2018 at 7:32 am

  5. Being without kids and or disability is perilous in or out of work.

    We hear a lot in the news lately about new funds and procedures going into UC and those that transfer or eventually will but as yet have not heard how claimants without kids and or disability are going to benefit in the so called work allowance awarded to claimants who work before a taper cut is applied to their benefits.

    Now its sold that the new system (UC) just does not discard a claimant after 16 hours of national min as opposed to the old system. The JOKE in that is under UC a person,couple without child or disability does not even qualify for the allowance. This means for such a person/s it only takes around 14 hours and 45 mins of work at nat min to cancel out their entire JSA entitlement, so WELL WITHIN THE 16 HOURS CUTOFF. Under the old system you would have cancelled out JSA in its entirety in just under 10 hours but none the less you would be entitled to remain claiming.

    Now i dont know about you but low hour jobs tend to range from 16 to 20 hours a week so considering a claimant does not have to sign off now, besides still being subject to in work conditionality and risk of sanction, does not seem to benefit AT ALL period, stroke, period. If they claim housing benefit (a benefit that was never under condionality or sanction on the old system), UC still tapers away so after 14.45 hours/min its ALL DOWN HILL.

    “Once you earn enough money through work and have become financially independent, you will no longer need Universal Credit and your claim will close.”, quoted by NIDirect,government services.

    What does that mean ?

    I know the definition means when a person has assets that generate income equal to expenses so can only estimate DWP mean when your income from a job equals your expenses. Considering all they know is what they need to top up in benefits so must mean cancelling out your benefits in entirety. Whether they apply a period to this, cannot say.

    I tell you what i do know though is that of the 440’000 JSA claimants, 93% of claimants consisting of JSA only (190’000) and JSA + Housing benefit only (220’000) are getting the worse deal when we talk overall support from UC, cost of revenue as opposed to all the other groups.

    SO WHAT IS GOVERNMENT GOING TO DO FOR THEM ?

    doug

    November 9, 2018 at 12:38 pm

  6. Andrew Coates

    November 9, 2018 at 12:50 pm

    • Our government has no shame nor sense of responsibility towards the needy and will not care about the result of Philip Alston’s report. If they can get away with abandoning people to penury they will and will only act if they think they will suffer political disadvantage if they don’t.

      Jamie

      November 10, 2018 at 4:39 pm

  7. Reblogged this on Britain Isn't Eating!.

    A6er

    November 9, 2018 at 1:06 pm

  8. Violet

    November 9, 2018 at 1:09 pm

  9. Claimant count for out of work benefits back to Sept 2014 levels

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peoplenotinwork/outofworkbenefits/timeseries/bcjd/unem

    Bar 4’500 claimants thus far we have once again risen in the count gradually since Feb 2016 which was the lowest count period.

    doug

    November 9, 2018 at 1:26 pm

  10. How DWP change of circumstances could push a JSA claimant onto UC early

    http://www.jobseekersallowance.org.uk/reporting-changes.php

    1: Do any unpaid work or voluntary work.
    2: Start living with someone – this does not have to be a partner or relative, it could be a stranger.
    3: Get a place on a training programme or start full or part time education.
    4: Change your address or are going away from home, even if it is for a day
    5: Change your account for your Jobseekers Allowance payments
    6: Are ill or have to take care of someone or cannot take a job for any other reasons
    7: Have someone come to live in your house or someone who was living in your house leave

    doug

    November 9, 2018 at 1:42 pm

  11. There is no safety net with Universal Credit

    https://newshoundsnewsround.wordpress.com/2018/11/

    If it wasn’t bad enough hearing of a 9 nine year old beg for work because her mum died and her father only just got made redundant 5 weeks ago, in comes the case of Tony Carson and Sue Rimington who only till recently had to live in a tent with their dog. How about 150 children in a London school that makes up 32% of the total school are receiving free school meals.

    PLEASE NOTE: When and if you read the school story, bare in mind when reading the stat that

    A family is a married, civil partnered or cohabiting couple with or without children, or a lone parent with at least one child, who live at the same address; children may be dependent or non-dependent.
    It does not cover single people living alone who have no child/children.

    doug

    November 9, 2018 at 2:49 pm

  12. I don’t know about being pushed into poverty we’re already there.

    Opening up work when the over 50’s are having the door slammed closed is another example of this failed system,other groups are also exposed.Universal Credit is simply another in the jobcentre name for another benefit of course the hurdles are greater but the reality outside nothing changes.

    ken

    November 9, 2018 at 6:45 pm

    • Ken

      Just imagine millions of people out of work and or in un-regular work. Does how UC is setup now makes sense when a department would be processing so many people. Think about how many they put on UC at what pace they came in. It does not take 5 weeks for a single person on a completely computerized system to process someone.
      The welfare reform wasn’t about the existing claimants, it was plan to prepare.

      doug

      November 11, 2018 at 11:07 pm

      • You forgot to finish your comment, doug 😉 Prepare for what? The coming New World Order © ® ™, Armageddon, Christmas? If you don’t mind, stop leaving us in suspenders, doug, with your doom-laden cryptic comments. It’s enough to do your head in!

        Bristol

        November 11, 2018 at 11:35 pm

      • Isn’t that the job of Government, doug? To prepare? It would be remiss for a government not to to prepare, a complete dereliction of their duty not to prepare. Universal Credit tells us that we have we have forward planners working in the background. Elected politicians can’t see past the next election. The electorate are even worse – they can’t see past tomorrow. Society, demographics, the world of work are all changing. Government has to be more long-sighted and prepare for the shape of things to come when those alive today are long gone. What is happening in your short-term time frame will in the fullness of time become an irrelevance. Your life is an speck, an irrelevance. Those alive today will be dead and buried but the world will still be turning, life will be going on, just not life as we know it today…

        Prepper

        November 11, 2018 at 11:59 pm

      • Bristol

        Its only cryptic if a person does not keep up with what a government is doing, if a person does not stay economically aware, if a person does not pay attention to the fact the post was addressing ken and his concerns.
        Hes right, over 50s do have it hard both in work and out of work as they are consistently measured to an average employers set around 30s. You dont get points for punctuality, being the first in, last out, doing your work conscientiously. Its all about rate of speed equals productivity equals profitability. Its all quantity over quality.
        So if your out of work and around 50 or higher, benefits becomes more a pension/income tax credit as you desperately stand in line again and again always to be that boy that always gets picked next to last or dead last dependent on applicant types. So it ends up these around 50 year olds and higher only get employed when an employer needs bodies but only for as long as it takes to get a younger or cheaper body dependent on employers aims.
        So being over 40 let alone 50 but being treated by DWP let alone a work coach who may even be the same age, as though that person is 20/30 in the eyes of employers is plainly ignorant.
        Its the boomerang group that DWP consistently flog and throw out into meaningless and un-supportive employment jobs only to see them returned by the employer at the first available opportunity.
        So if its hard enough already being 50, imagine what it would be like if there was more of that same age group.

        doug

        November 12, 2018 at 10:36 am

      • Prepper

        Basically welfare has gone from an allotment business model to a farmstead. The question then falls if governments aim to get people into work is doing so well, why the need to expand the operation if not to include more people. Naturally those more people will be single/family workers and in the future, the ever increasing number of children who are disabled/ill who will eventually mature.
        The government sold welfare reform on the here and now stock, not on times yet to come which is squarely about business and employment even pre dating brexit.
        UC isnt something magical, it is simply grouping a few benefits together that already exist that all function as they did previously bar more cruel expanded penalties that for some benefits/credits never existed prior, less money, more room for error and now a system no matter what government says, is more complicated for the claimant.

        doug

        November 12, 2018 at 10:46 am

      • @ doug Your at times unfathomable posts assume a prior level of deep knowledge and understanding of complex issues that many of your intended audience simply do not possess. Many of your intended audience have just ‘tuned in’. It is understandable that you don’t want to pull over your bus and go over old ground as yet another passenger gets on, but still each and every post should be easily and readily digestible in their own right; either that or you prepend your posts with “this comment assumes that you already have an advance knowledge, at least to PhD level, in data protection and social security rights issues.

        Bristol Tunnel

        November 12, 2018 at 1:59 pm

      • Bristol Tunnel

        You cant condense just in the case of the 8 years of welfare reform let alone welfare in two easy sentences.
        You also have to remember book shops dont hide advanced algebra just because some might not understand it. All material is available and it is up to the consumer to decide whether or not to bring themselves up to speed before consumption.
        One can do nothing for those who enter mid drift, especially in a conversation that was aimed at a single regular individual as is clear to see in me addressing him by name.
        All social media forums have 3 kinds of traffic. The regulars who are symbiotic with other regulars, the air miles crew who stay as long as they have the mileage and the hit n runs. You also have different types of media presentation. One like this site that doubles down on one subject while leaving all posts for new comers to catch up on and the hit piece merchants more interest in clicks and subs who aren’t really loyal to anything unless it wins them favor.
        Lastly when you say philosophy, what has that got to do with GDPR and welfare acts/regulations that are concrete as the ten commandments to understand. If however you take issue be it questions or you think you see error, your always free to produce evidence for debate or query via a link.

        doug

        November 12, 2018 at 8:59 pm

  13. Andrew Coates

    November 10, 2018 at 12:20 pm

  14. Andrew Coates

    November 10, 2018 at 4:11 pm

    • It is definitely a tool of oppression invented by the rich plutocrats to hammer the poor into early graves, the Department of Workfare & Persecution are their paid assassins!

      Violet

      November 10, 2018 at 5:39 pm

      • Control of claimants is 100% definitely an essential aim of universal credit. When IDS was at the DWP he kept talking about effecting “behavioural change” in claimants as if they were dogs to be retrained and David Freud talking about monitoring people online and then “doing things” to them to see what they did as a result as if they were guinea pigs or rats being experimented on in a laboratory.

        UC is ALL about manipulating and controlling the people on it.

        Jamie

        November 12, 2018 at 8:49 am

      • A very significant aspect of this, from calling our Advisers ‘Work Coaches’, coachy, onwards.

        Andrew Coates

        November 12, 2018 at 11:23 am

      • The use of cognitive psychology is through the roof at DWP.

        doug

        November 12, 2018 at 10:47 am

      • You would have to dig back through my posts but if i remember right, back around 2011 a quick of little to no merit certificate/qualification was introduced that elevated and advisor or provider to a term that infers they know what they are talking about when we talk about professional employment advice.

        doug

        November 12, 2018 at 12:58 pm

  15. Gazing into my crystal ball I foresee wall-to-wall ‘Harry Potter’ being screened on ITV1 over Christmas and New Year. And maybe, just maybe a James Bond films thrown in…

    Mystic Meg

    November 11, 2018 at 3:24 pm

    • You don’t need a bleedin’ crystal ball to predict ITV’s Christmas and New Year schedule – it is the same every bleedin’ year!

      Londoner

      November 12, 2018 at 12:43 pm

  16. The DWP appears to have a message for their own contractors they don’t have outside control of data simply putting it out there without 100% safeguarding is not in the claimants interests.There is just to many concerns about data. Superted was quite right to question this in his appeal.

    6. Misuse by the Provider
    6.1 The Provider, or its
    staff, may not seek access to the PRaP System website
    from anywhere other than the Provider’s own premises.
    6.2 Any
    unauthorised attempt to gain access to or modify computer system
    information or to interfere with normal system operations, whether on DWP
    computer systems or on networks accessible from the PRaP System
    website, may result in the suspension or termination
    of the Provider’s
    access. The Provider should be aware that the DWP monitors the PRaP
    System website and any misuse, including unauthorised access or
    disclosure of Applicants’ Data may result in criminal proceedings being brought against the Provider.

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/745881/prap-terms-and-conditions-of-use.pdf

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/745882/prap-questions-and-answers.pdf

    ken

    November 11, 2018 at 4:35 pm

    • DSC_0682_01

      and they have theses or did plastered all over there Facebook page. pure exploitation for profit they dont give a crap about anyone bar there bank balance.!

      14500635_1139276779493579_7768184268266297583_o
      lawnmower man

      superted

      November 11, 2018 at 6:01 pm

      • Last time at a ‘provider’ we spent our time on these;


        The Colouring Book for Adults

        We also had a go at making towers out of Papier-mâché. And on the Friday if we had been ‘good’ all week as a ‘special treat’ we got a little tub of jelly and ice-cream 😀

        Laura

        November 12, 2018 at 12:15 am

      • What does that fancy ‘certificate’ say ted? ‘Completion of Learning’? 😀

        Laura

        November 12, 2018 at 12:19 am

      • Can see it now – ‘Celebration of Learning’ lol 😀

        Laura

        November 12, 2018 at 12:21 am

      • That would look good on you CV ted 😀

        Laura

        November 12, 2018 at 12:22 am

    • Ken

      People sign bits of paper way to quick and often always without reading the small print. Even with the small print, its never a complete exact guide which you as a data subject have to ask for and the party must oblige despite claiming tactics if you dont like it, you can walk.
      One of the most shocking things people are consenting is allowing their personal data to be sent out of British jurisdiction.
      Like ive said a million times, DWP cant force via threat of benefit removal or suspension where the law states lawful consent must be gained.
      As i spoke about the other day regarding CC, while you have to comply with a CC under in principle just like you do a criminal law, its contents bar a tiny few things are not covered under that regulation and as such require lawful consent in order to become regulatory.

      doug

      November 11, 2018 at 11:23 pm

  17. Reblogged this on Britain Isn't Eating!.

    A6er

    November 13, 2018 at 5:12 pm


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