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NHS Mental Health Recruiting 300 Employment Coaches as “Work as a Clinical Outcome” returns.

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Yuk!

The NHS is set to roll out mental health employment specialists across the country, as a new analysis of services shows that 2,300 patients have been helped into work in the last year.

NHS mental health job coaches help thousands of people into work.

Investment in improving employment prospects via health services like IPS can increase productivity and reduce demand for employment and disability support payments like Jobseeker’s Allowance and Employment Support Allowance.

NHS England. 12 of June.

The NHS really ought to get up to date about the Vale of Tears that is Universal Credit.

Not to mention the stress of work outlined in books like James Bloodworth’s Hired: Six Months Undercover in Low-Wage Britain.

This move is part of a broader picture.

It seems that with the Work and Health Programme (“The Work and Health Programme helps you find and keep a job if you’re out of work it’s voluntary – unless you’ve been out of work and claiming unemployment benefits for 24 months”),   the DWP, Job Centres and the NHS are getting even closer.

Recently in Ipswich I was asked by Coachey if I’d like to have a health check up – NHS – at the Job Centre.

The below marks another step in the merging of services, in a much more contestable area.

The NHS is to hire 300 employment coaches to find patients jobs to “keep them out of hospital.”

 

It is essential to read the full article but here are some important points made by ‘Kitty’.

There has already been an attempt to provide mental health services for people who claim social security support, which includes a heavily resisted pilot to put therapists into job centres. Another heavily opposed government proposal was announced as part of the  health and work pilot programme to put job coaches in GP surgeries. The proposals have been widely held to be profoundly anti-therapeutic, potentially very damaging and professionally unethical.

….

The government announced the creation of the Joint Health and Work Unit and the Health and Work Service in 2015/16, both with a clear remit to cut benefits and “get people into work.” Given that mental health is a main cause for long-term sickness absence in the UK, a key aspect of this policy is to provide mental health services that get people back into work.

There has already been an attempt to provide mental health services for people who claim social security support, which includes a heavily resisted pilot to put therapists into job centres. Another heavily opposed government proposal was announced as part of the  health and work pilot programme to put job coaches in GP surgeries. The proposals have been widely held to be profoundly anti-therapeutic, potentially very damaging and professionally unethical.

The government have planned to merge health and employment services, and are now attempting to redefine work as a clinical outcome. Unemployment has been stigmatised and politically redefined as a psychological disorderthe government claims somewhat incoherently that the “cure” for unemployment due to illness and disability, and sickness absence from work, is work.

Pause.

Remember this? (BBC June 2015).

Unemployment is being “rebranded” by the government as a psychological disorder, a new study claims.

Those that do not exhibit a “positive” outlook must undergo “reprogramming” or face having their benefits cut, says the Wellcome Trust-backed report.

This can be “humiliating” for job seekers and does not help them find suitable work, the researchers say.

Here is the report:

 

 

Back to Kitty:

The latest strand of this ideological anti-welfare crusade was recently announced: the NHS is to hire 300 employment coaches who will find patients jobs to “keep them out of hospital.” The Individual Placement and Support services (IPS) is aimed at ‘supporting’ people with severe mental illness to seek work and ‘hold down a job’. Job coaches will offer assistance on CVs, interview techniques and are expected to work with 20,000 people by 2021. Pilot schemes running in Sussex, Bradford, Northampton and some London boroughs suggest that the coaches manage to find work for at least a quarter of users. The scheme is to be extended nationwide.

The roll out of mental health employment specialists across the country is based on  analysis of the pilots, which is claimed to show that 2,300 patients have been helped into work in the last year. However, the longer term consequences of the programme are not known, and it is uncertain if there will be any meaningful monitoring regarding efficacy, safeguarding and the uncovering of unintended consequences and risks to participants.

It is held that those in work tend to be in better health, visit their GP less and are less likely to need hospital treatment. The government has assumed that there is a causal relationship expressed in this common sense finding, and make an inferential leap with the claim that “work is a health outcome”.

However, support for this premise is not universal. Some concerns which have been reasonably raised are commonly about the extent to which people will be ‘pushed’ into work they are not able or ready to do, or into bad quality work that is harmful to them, under the misguided notion that any work will be good for them in the long run.

Of course it may equally be the case that people in better health work because they can, and have less need for healthcare services simply because they are relatively well, rather than because they work.

Undoubtedly there are some people who may be able to work and who want to, but struggle to find suitable employment without adequate support. This section of the population may also face the lack of knowledge, attitudes and prejudices of potential employers regarding their conditions as a further barrier to gaining appropriate employment. The scheme will be ideal for supporting this group. That is, however, only provided that engagement with the service is voluntary, and does not become mandatory.

It must also be acknowledged that there are some people who are simply too ill to work. Again, it’s a serious concern that this group may be pressured and coerced to find employment, which may prove to be detrimental to their wellbeing. Furthermore, placing them in work may present unacceptable risk to both themselves and others. How can we possibly know in advance about the longer term risks presented by the impact of an illness, and the potential effects of some medications in the workplace? If something goes catastrophically wrong as a consequence of someone taking up work when they are too unwell to work, who will hold the responsibility for the consequences?

In the current political context where the public are told “work is the route out of poverty” and “work is a health outcome”, people feel obliged to try to work, when they believe they can. But what happens when they are wrong in that belief? Who is responsible, for example, when someone has a loss of consciousness or an episode of altered awareness, caused by a condition or medication, while operating machinery, at the wheel of a taxi, bus or refuse waggon?

This is the key point: work as a “clinical outcome”.

As the Royal College of Psychiatrists says,

Work is a key clinical outcome

Employment is Nature’s physician, and is essential to human happiness’

Galen of Pergamon, Greek physician, surgeon and philosopher, 172 AD

As the quote from Galen, the Greek physician shows, it has long been recognised that work, be it paid or unpaid, plays a central role in the health and well-being of most people.  We know that work gives us material rewards, but it also gives people a sense of identity and connection with others in our society; it gives us a sense of personal achievement; it is a means of structuring and occupying our time and helps us to develop mental and physical skills.  Work also provides us with the financial and material resources necessary for our daily lives.

 

The problem is, unemployment is not a clinical problem to be solved by psychiatrists or Job Coaches.

 

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  1. Claimants north of Hadrian’s Wall are reminded that under the devolved powers employment schemes are now ‘voluntary’. Importantly, you must not agree to them otherwise they will then become mandatory. Roaches north of the border are now required to warn claimants:

    “I have to tell you that the programme is voluntary, but if you agree to take part it then becomes mandatory which may affect your benefits.”

    __

    “”The launch of Fair Start Scotland is a landmark moment in our journey to deliver a person-centred employment service.

    “Our new powers have created a service that is more flexible and responsive to a changing labour market; one that will tackle inequalities and grow Scotland’s economy by helping more people into work. It is also fairer – the fact the service is voluntary means people are not driven to take part through fear of sanctions.”

    http://www.employabilityinscotland.com/news-events/latest-news/march-2018/fairer-and-integrated-employability/

    Flying Visitor

    June 17, 2018 at 10:50 am

  2. Fair Start Scotland – Partnership Opportunities

    Fair Start Scotland will be Scotland’s employment support service from April 2018. The Scottish Government has published a Contract Notice on the Public Contracts Scotland website, inviting organisations that wish to bid to deliver Fair Start Scotland to develop their proposals in line with the requirements set out.

    Partnership Opportunities. Several organisations are seeking partners to support the delivery of Fair Start Scotland. Click on the following links for more details.

    👿 learndirect 👿
    👿 Shaw Trust 👿
    👿 Reed 👿
    👿 Working Links 👿
    👿 PeoplePlus 👿 (formerly Emma Harrison’s A4e. staff were sent to prison for fraud)

    PeoplePlusTenderers Briefing Meetings for Fair Start Scotland have been scheduled for later in March. Full details on how to register to attend the meetings is set out in the Contract Notice – the dates confirmed so far are: Perth – Wednesday 29 March, and West Contract Area – Thursday 30 March.

    http://www.stf.org.uk/fair-start-scotland/

    Flying Visitor

    June 17, 2018 at 11:03 am

    • Who in their right mind would sign up for any of those bastards voluntarily?

      Comply or Die

      June 17, 2018 at 11:07 am

    • Still, the same old chancers are still around…

      Andrew Coates

      June 17, 2018 at 11:12 am

    • It somebody called Pluss where I live. Never heard of them before.

      Ro

      June 17, 2018 at 2:08 pm

  3. “Recently in Ipswich I was asked by Coachey if I’d like to have a health check up – NHS – at the Job Centre.”
    WTF?!

    Tufty

    June 17, 2018 at 11:33 am

    • Absolutely true story.

      She underlined that it was NHS, and said it was one of those blood-pressure etc check ups.

      I replied that I am registered with a Health Centre and had had one a couple of years ago.

      Andrew Coates

      June 17, 2018 at 11:45 am

      • This is truly scary. Especially as they could theoretically sanction you if you decline.

        katrehman

        June 18, 2018 at 5:20 am

      • Blood pressure check, coachy tells a porky. More like a mind-fucking ‘mental health check’.

        Hannibal the Cannibal

        June 18, 2018 at 7:30 am

      • A while back we were offered the NHS health check at work. We have a draconian new sickness policy…I declined the check as I’d just had bloods done and other investigation for dangerously high blood pressure. And yes I have my own monitor at home.
        I do 5 hours a day back breaking school cleaning and I’m currently in a splint for my carpal tunnel.Thanks to the new sickness policy I daren’t take even a day off.
        I think it’s very dangerous the DWP dabbling with people’s health. I don’t thunk it wI’ll stop with mental health either. I’m sure coach will soon tell you how to treat your asthma or arthritis or whatever. ..

        katrehman

        June 18, 2018 at 9:07 am

      • More likely a cervical SCRAPING!

        Lily

        June 18, 2018 at 9:17 am

    • Might be the only way to get a check up soon if doctor’s surgeries start closing due to underfunding.

      Ro

      June 17, 2018 at 2:05 pm

      • buy your own blood pressure and other equipment and go DIY. cant be any less safe than someone at dwp doing it

        hugosmum70

        June 17, 2018 at 5:12 pm

      • Indeed! You can pick up a reliable blood pressure monitor for a few quid these days.

        Di Stolyic

        June 18, 2018 at 7:32 am

  4. Yep! 😀 😀 :D: 😀 It’s all about POS-I-TIV-ITY 😀 😀 : D 😀 😀 😀


    Smile or DIE!

    Krusty the Clown

    June 17, 2018 at 11:42 am

    • Lily you may mock but I’m actually amazed these cancer screenings haven’t been made mandatory in the current climate where work is the answer to everyone’s problems….

      katrehman

      June 18, 2018 at 9:33 am

  5. SO!….are these “coaches” going to change the weather for asthmatics and those with COPD where high pollen counts often send the worst affected into hospital? are they going to stand over the rape seed fields ,or trees and flowers and tell them “thou must not produce pollen”? have they found a magic cure for all the viruses etc in the air that send loads of people into hospital with bad chest infections and/or pneumonia? yet another idea which proclaims the dwp staff as a GOD or AS God.(because they are not NHS staff if they are trying to find non existent jobs for people, no matter what buildings they do it in. …………a rose by any other name will smell as sweet and a thorn will prick your finger n it will hurt no matter if its on that rose or found its way somewhere else where you could inadvertently stick it in our finger or foot

    hugosmum70

    June 17, 2018 at 12:01 pm

  6. If work is so wonderful for you why do the idle rich not want to do it?

    Quixote

    June 17, 2018 at 1:40 pm

  7. But what sort of work are they being forced into….. is it workfare??? This is f*cking communism ☭

    Foxglove

    June 17, 2018 at 2:01 pm

  8. This is beyond the pale. Unqualified and inexperienced Work Coaches interfering in the lives of severely clinically mentally ill fragile and vulnerable people. This is really, really bad folks. I don’t know about you but in the past I have experienced immense stress and anxiety because of work which I doubt would have been good for anybody with a mental or nervous disorder. The idea of thick-as-shit Work Coaches chivvying mentally ill men and women into a “whatever job” the way their Jobcentre colleagues do, in order to meet targets, is terrifying. But then in the brave new world that the Tories have created since even the terminally ill more than 26 weeks away from death are supposed to “actively seek work” – although why the government believes that any employer would offer paid work to so sick a person is a mystery – we shouldn’t be surprised by any cruel, unusual or novel new torture that such a shower of shit administration might devise and blindly implement.

    Ro

    June 17, 2018 at 2:01 pm

  9. They belong back in the pale out of harms way.

    Violet

    June 17, 2018 at 2:12 pm

  10. straight jackets for the members of this govt.and all put into somewhere like alcatraz for life.that way can do no more harm

    hugosmum70

    June 17, 2018 at 5:10 pm

  11. A very sinister and worrying development.

    trev

    June 17, 2018 at 7:05 pm

  12. Reblogged this on Britain Isn't Eating.

    A6er

    June 18, 2018 at 9:13 am

  13. Andrew Coates

    June 18, 2018 at 11:43 am

    • An error? really.

      whoknew

      June 18, 2018 at 12:17 pm

    • It all sounds very much like the if your not married there is something wrong with you mentality.A road a certain individual has been down before.

      There is a tendency to play down illnesses/disabilities it doesn’t work in the workplace and results in bullying mocking and the eventual sack.People can find themselves unable/struggling to do the job and deal with unruly staff,Keeping quite is a disaster a disability begins to show and is seen as a weakness/underperformance.Employers are supposed to make adjustments but experience was there was none whatsoever.

      ken

      June 18, 2018 at 12:21 pm

      • The key reason for the failure is that employers did not take responsibility for working with employees and GPs seriously, and more than half (59%) of employers said they felt unable to support employees by making all of the legally required workplace adjustments

        Thats interesting only just seen it.Their not interested at all the only time I have seen adjustments is at a global company amongst permanently employed inner circle staff that was for depression.Attitudes in companies are very hard to break down.

        With todays climate of zero hour contracts/temporary work and employement agencies prominent in recruitment its simply a case of the next person,they often identify people with learning problems for example with various pre appointment tests the person is simply not forwarded or told they are not required at work within a short period.

        It will be the applicant that has to pick up the pieces of this outside involvement,once again an outside organisation risks having its reputation damaged by negative headlines by another DWP idea.

        ken

        June 18, 2018 at 12:54 pm

      • Suggesting that a person is mentally ill through being unemployed, unmarried… is a very insidious form of bullying. Surely this horrific crime must be classed as a “hate crime” since everything else seems to be.

        SJW

        June 18, 2018 at 1:06 pm

  14. Cardiff homeless man shares about criminalization of homelessness.

    Violet

    June 18, 2018 at 12:08 pm

  15. At what point is both the medical experts and government going to realize your not going to get a sense of identity, connection,self achievement and all that other stuff unless your in a job you want to do in the first place.
    None of these claimed profound states will occur in just any job, even if good money is involved. For mostly all, a job is a means of survival in a world intent on not allowing the premise to be off grid as so to speak. Its just the same with living life today overall.
    A good example of this would be we have all had a job or a moment in living where we prefer some tasks and not others, that if we were to switch off our own arbiter or not have an external one will always gravitate towards the most pleasurable. Take away the the dishwasher, how many people like cooking yet hate cleaning up.

    Achieving nirvana (im mocking them) would dictate not forcing people into jobs where non pleasure of the senses to the individual outweighs the others and we all know that’s not going to happen and not just because DWP would be dead in the water. So this intervention can be nothing other than an attempt at reprogramming an individual to not respond to normal bodily functions when the scales are heavily tipped against them.

    Its funny this comes up at a time only today that gaming can be seen for certain individuals as officially an addiction. Another topic firmly rooted in the simulation and drive of pleasure.

    doug

    June 18, 2018 at 12:23 pm

    • You walk too much, cycle too much, smoke, drink, eat…………..going too far

      whoknew

      June 18, 2018 at 12:32 pm

    • MY WC SAID I SHOULD WALK 3 MILES A DAY BY SUNDAY I WAS 21 MILES FROM HOME AND GOT A SANCTION FOR BEING LATE.

      Brown1957

      June 18, 2018 at 4:29 pm

  16. Ledbury Food Bank’s fears over Universal Credit

    VOLUNTEERS at Ledbury Food Bank say they are bracing themselves for serious problems ahead, because they fear that the introduction of the Universal Credits system could lead to further hardship for the town’s most vulnerable people.

    They are warning that the new benefits system could even lead to destitution.

    http://www.ledburyreporter.co.uk/news/16297164.ledbury-food-banks-fears-over-universal-credit/

    ken

    June 18, 2018 at 12:27 pm

  17. As we discuss homelessness and hunger Parliament has more pressing issues to discuss such as this utter, utter shit: Living in the UK is like living in La-La Land. The lunatics have taken over asylum.

    Upskirting row: MP’s office targeted in ‘pants protest’

    “Anger over a Conservative MP’s decision to block a bill to make “upskirting” a criminal offence has manifested itself in an unusual way in Parliament.

    The entrance to Sir Christopher Chope’s Commons office has been decorated with women’s pants in an apparent protest by Commons staff against his actions.”

    Shutter Island

    June 18, 2018 at 12:31 pm

    • I think that objecting to a upskirting bill gets the outrage shows what our society cares about and what it does not care about.

      That or it was staged to change the political news from May lying to her own MPs over getting a significant vote, and the NAO negative review of Universal Credit as a disaster. The immediate cries of shame. The immediate social media backlash by Conservative MPs all condemning him and replying to each other posts appear to have been posted all in the same minute, and were immediately quoted on pro-Conservative websites looked at by Journalists. Theresa May leaping in to rescue the bill and the news changing to how May is going to make sure it will pass. And this MP infamous for objecting to worthy bills and infamous for having unpopular opinions was knighted this year and given his age probably plans to retire. Or maybe I am being way too cynical and over thinking things. And it is simply that MPs, the media and the society we live in cares far more about upskirting than people dying.

      Mushroomie

      June 18, 2018 at 1:57 pm

      • It is indeed a media carrot handed by puppeted parliament and further evidence history and independancy are a fallen subject.

        Firstly it centered around women with small anecdotal evidence suggesting men are also victims. Now shiver my timbers but this isn’t how Victorian suffragettes handled their stuff, a time when showing angle was considered sexual. Women back in Victorian times had a real problem with men on trains who would when a tunnel arouse make a physical move on the ladies. Now not to be bested these woman sought to use hatpins to great effect. Its amazing how with humongously less rights and protection these ladies asserted their individual independence in all that adversity when we compare it to todays women who simply run to government with their tail between their legs complaining hes taking pictures of my tail.

        Women back then demonstrated what man stood to lose and showed real steel at achieving it. Back then even prostitutes practiced better modesty than we see today with skirts so short i strongly suspect any bending of the perpetrator is warranted.
        In short women today are the very archetype the suffragettes fought not to become, not to be viewed as.
        A logical and strong stance by women should be the order of the day, show less flesh, be less accommodating, especially when marketing oneself for potential mating, make man realize what they stand to lose by such reckless actions while insuring it is you and not the cover that seals the deal on first impressions.

        doug

        June 19, 2018 at 12:32 pm

    • This snowflake generation is getting bloody ridiculous. Back in the day we were taught that knickers were meant to be seen – “they covered up the ‘naughty bits'”. Two years in prison for looking up a skirt!? Absolutely ridiculous!

      Vera D

      June 19, 2018 at 12:43 pm

    • We are turning into the old Soviet Union. Just look ar modern day London or any big city. Everyone walking around, head bowed, staring at the pavement, avoiding eye contact for fear of ‘offending’ or being accused of looking somewhere we shouldn’t.

      Komrade Volovski

      June 19, 2018 at 1:35 pm

  18. Reblogged this on seachranaidhe1.

    seachranaidhe1

    June 18, 2018 at 1:47 pm

  19. DWP to increase role of AI
    The Department for Work and Pensions’ (DWP) head of data strategy has said the use of artificial intelligence (AI) techniques will play an increasing role in improving service delivery, providing a fuller picture of customers’ situations so they no longer need to explain their circumstances repeatedly.

    http://www.ukauthority.com/data4good/entry/8295/dwp-to-increase-role-of-ai

    superted

    June 18, 2018 at 2:43 pm

    • Considering how absolutely shit Universal Credit IT is and always has been how could anything possibly go wrong with IT making decisions formerly taken by individuals on their behalf?

      I’m starving, please can I have my entitlements?

      Computer says no!

      Ro

      June 18, 2018 at 3:42 pm

    • We try to make our services as relevant as possible. Better use of data analytics is really the key to that. We see that machine learning will play an increasing role in the way we operate.”

      “Through a combination of transparency and trust and being guided by a strong ethical framework, we’ll demonstrate the uses of data, we’ll demonstrate that sharing of data can push forward public good and through the ethical use of machine learning we’ll be able to deliver more relevant services in a more efficient manner.”

      Apart from asking what “push forward public good” (grammar old bean…..do we say push forward public bad?) might mean, as well as the “ethical use of machine learning” this UKA data4good is the possibly the biggest pile of cack I’ve seen for a long time.

      “Image by Many Wonderful Artists, CC BY 2.0 through flickr.”

      Indeed.

      Andrew Coates

      June 18, 2018 at 4:09 pm

      • When you pull out all the verbal chaff,DWP/government are advocating an answering machine with the proverbial recorded message.
        It also further highlights how they intend to inform the public that they will require more personal data than before, enough to clearly define the move as tracking.
        This proposal is circumnavigating an individuals current rights to be specifically informed and consented by pushing the new excessive personal data into the exemption realm of public interest,government functioning and analytical .
        Now most of those too lazy to properly digest the new GDPR wont know its strongly urged in the new regulation to find an applicable exemption rather than trying to gain consent.
        Here in this announcement when broken down you are seeing a widening of what is considered of public interest under the pretext of better governance but in a context government decides rather than the public how it is processed (do look up what processed constitutes).

        For all non techies basically you mine a whole lot of data (both personal and non personal), You create/form data sets. Those data sets form electronic footprints (so combining multiple data sets to create a targeted data set). Now up to this point such data is blindly gathered meaning attributed/applied to no one specific even though its about everyone (be seen as not personal data).
        Now to make it specific essentially you need a key per footprint which could be in the form of a single email address,phone number,name,you get the picture and or simply one or a few non personal questions enough to distinguish one footprint from another. Bingo, a profile is not only formed but actively in real time updated.
        From there on out you can be tracked on anything basically because the human predisposed condition of forming patterns for various reasons. No matter how smart you think you are, you wont beat it as that would require without fail that everything you do is completely random and unique every waking moment of your day.

        This is if the public don’t switch on legalized data harvesting for the purposes of surveillance (again do find the concise meaning). For benefits to public is a very broad term and it cannot be denied that such data could and will be applied to a great many things outside its original intent, a person in charge would be a fool not to. As for transparency, what is the good of that if its a day late and a dollar short assuming the public are able to pry it from a governments cold dead hands after hell freezes over.

        Ultimately its about control and the admission of “outcomes government wants” and “highly regulated, so we want to be very clear on any decisions we’ve made when it comes to the outcome people receive” should point to who will be in the driving seat and why.
        You may live in a democracy and vote every 5 years but remember, you have no say over manifestos being formed or agendas thereafter added outside.

        I and others have said many times in the past that for this government to get what they want, there would have to be sweeping changes to law. Well you’ve seen and are still seeing this happening as predicted so i hope the penny is ready to drop as soon enough it will be like a pair of slippers by a warm fire as a social norm/construct you never really had a well informed hand in bringing to mainstream life as a population collective.

        Freedom always comes at a cost, is proportional to the yang of control so chose wisely otherwise you will endeavor to become the hearded sheep rather than the lions roaming the plains.

        doug

        June 19, 2018 at 11:55 am

  20. The £200,000 food bank warehouse in Amber Rudd’s Hastings constituency caused by the Universal Credit debacle

    Amber Rudd’s Hastings constituency for example, according to the NAO Hastings foodbank has increased its opening hours, needs around two tonnes of stock each week to meet demand, and is considering building more storage space, costing £200,000.”

    https://davidhencke.com/2018/06/15/revealed-the-200000-food-bank-warehouse-in-amber-rudds-hastings-constituency-caused-by-the-universal-credit-debacle/

    ken

    June 19, 2018 at 10:38 am

  21. My appointment was first thing this morning, 8.30. The roach was late, didn’t see her untl 8:45. But, this gave me time to listen in to a conversation between another claimant and his roach. He seemed confused as all his jobsearch activity on UJM had disappeared (the site finally shut down late last night) and he hadn’t saved it anywhere else. His roach said he should have registered with FaJ once he was aware of UJM’s closure and transferred all his activity to there. Well, that was bullcrap because of course you can’t manually add stuff on to FaJ. Then the conversation got interesting… She said to him, “We can register you with FaJ now if you want from my computer, and share the password so I can see your activity on the site.” He just nodded his head and said that was fine… Mind boggling! Unfortunately I was then called to my appointment so missed the rest of their chat.

    Flotshit

    June 19, 2018 at 12:03 pm

  22. find a job site joke. I been on the work and health programme, a bit of a joke my coach is trying to get me to do an apprenticeships even though I am in my 30s, I asked him about the wage he says it is legal to be paid less than the minimum wage per hour. I be worst off.

    myfinalusername

    June 27, 2018 at 9:41 pm

    • Real Apprenticeships used to last for at least 3 or 4 years, these modern versions are Mickey Mouse affairs for just 12 months.

      trev

      June 27, 2018 at 10:17 pm

      • If you learnt a proper ‘trade’ you could even set up your own business or *hushed tones* a ‘bit on the side’ 😉 Of course the Jobcentre don’t want you to ‘get ahead’. They want to keep you down. They clip your wings so you can’t fly free from their clutches. They sabotage your efforts to escape the Jobcentre plantation. Their protestations to offer ‘help’ and ‘support’. Their ‘opportunities’ are opportunities to be exploited and abused. The Jobcentre are like a bad farmer who kicks their cow’s legs until the poor beast falls over and laughs at it as it tries to get up. Imagine being a cow that is being constantly kicked and trying to get up, that is the reality of being under the jackboot of the Jobcentre.

        Farmer Brown

        June 28, 2018 at 6:38 am

      • If you learnt a proper ‘trade’ you could even set up your own business or *hushed tones* a ‘bit on the side’ 😉 Of course the Jobcentre don’t want you to ‘get ahead’. They want to keep you down, down where you are ripe for exploitation.. They clip your wings so you can’t fly free from their clutches. They sabotage your efforts to escape the Jobcentre plantation. Their protestations to offer ‘help’ and ‘support’ are entirely bogus. Their ‘opportunities’ are opportunities to be exploited and abused. The Jobcentre are like a bad farmer who kicks their cow’s legs until the poor beast falls over and laughs at it as it tries to get up. Imagine being a cow that is being constantly kicked and trying to get up, that is the reality of being under the jackboot of the Jobcentre.

        Farmer Brown

        June 28, 2018 at 6:40 am

  23. And watchmaking apprenticeships are the longest at six years. Ah, the fine art of watchmaking.

    Patek Philippe

    June 28, 2018 at 6:26 am

    • If I want a check up I will go to the see the GP practice I am registered to, I got anxiety and prefer to get the support needed instead of using a service provide by the work and health programme which have made me feel worst.

      myfinalusername

      June 28, 2018 at 9:37 pm


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