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Us lot in Ipswich.

11am-1pm, La Tour Café, Ipswich Waterfront.

Ironically or not the former home of  Cranfield’s Flour Mill in which our union had a strong membership.

 

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Thank you to everyone that joined the @Unite_Community   Stop Universal Credit day of action on Thursday 24  May   2018

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Written by Andrew Coates

May 25, 2018 at 11:49 am

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  2. Well done Suffolk Unite Community I’m Sec of Bristol Area Unite Community & i think overall, we all did a grand job yesterday Solidarity!

    Zarria Phillips

    May 25, 2018 at 12:25 pm

    • Yes, in the afternoon I followed the Twitter feeds, just too many good actions to list!

      Andrew Coates

      May 25, 2018 at 1:22 pm

      • You’re right Andrew It was good everywhere. My mate Claimy was outside Parliament filming & they were good (& noisy! ) Disappointed that the SW MP’s we invited to go out to support the action didn’t show up.
        Still, onwards. Too many people struggling & suffering because of UC.
        PCS Comrades doing what they can to assist us in our region, so feeling supported.

        Zarria Phillips

        May 25, 2018 at 2:43 pm

    • There are never things hapening in this town or anywhere near regarding protesting against the Tories with anything, inc UC. so no one on UC or unemployed can attend.

      So much for Unite day of action all over the country.

      whoknew

      May 26, 2018 at 9:42 am

      • Hi whoknew I’m really sorry you didn’t have an action near you last week.

        It is difficult for Community to get active in every town but there will be a Unite Community Branch that is active in the region where you live.
        I’m the Bristol & Glos Area Community Branch & cover everywhere from Portishead, Stroud To Wells in the Mendips, so couldn’t get actions in every town but we did one in Bristol & one in Gloucester.

        Here’s the list of contacts & Branches

        http://www.unitetheunion.org/growing-our-union/communitymembership/contact-community/

        If you are not in paid employment & would like to get others in your area active, get in touch with the regional organiser. They will be able to put you in touch with the nearest Branch or Community Group. If you are in employment, we would welcome your support.

        http://www.unitetheunion.org/growing-our-union/communitymembership/

        I hope this makes sense & helps.
        Yours in Solidarity
        Zarria

        Zarria Phillips

        May 30, 2018 at 7:51 am

  3. Church of England report shows people are being failed by local authority schemes

    “Sadly with more and more people facing crisis, particularly as Universal Credit rollout continues apace, it’s becoming increasingly urgent for local crisis support to be coordinated and more consistent so that vulnerable people don’t fall through the gaps.”

    https://www.premier.org.uk/News/UK/Church-of-England-report-shows-people-are-being-failed-by-local-authority-schemes

    ken

    May 25, 2018 at 2:05 pm

  4. As predicted claimants are being ordered to show their faj activity on their phones or being frogmarched to a jc computer to show coachy their activity. Have yet to see any claimant question it.

    Joncentre Fly on the Wall

    May 25, 2018 at 2:31 pm

    • if the claimant has not been issued with a job seeker direction to open a faj account in the first place then tell the coach to jog on as there is no set format how you provide work search evidence and this can be done using any other job sites anyway or even the local paper.

      as long as you are applying for jobs and can prove this you are actively seeking employment so it dont matter what site you use id like to see them try a ase doubt for not using faj as would be a easy win at a tribunal lol.

      superted

      May 25, 2018 at 2:53 pm

      • being frogmarched to a jc computer to show coachy their activity.

        I’ve seen that before.

        ken

        May 25, 2018 at 5:17 pm

      • DSC_0699_02

        😉

        superted

        May 25, 2018 at 6:14 pm

    • Just seen this on whatdotheyknow:

      ‘Find a job’ : Legal requirement to give DWP access
      https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/find_a_job_legal_requirement_to#incoming-1164244

      my friend stan

      May 25, 2018 at 3:05 pm

      • “DWP staff will not have access to view jobseeker accounts, CVs or activity/application history”
        Source: DWP: Universal Credit Knowledge Management –Generic Template (10) – accessed 15/5/18

        if the dwp has no access under the gdpr then there is no law that states you must open a faj account like ujm but if you are registered with other job sites anyway this would be enough to prove you are looking and applying for work.

        “Find a job or other jobsites
        1. As part of making use of the resources available to them to look for work, we can
        reasonably expect most claimants to make best use of Find a job or other jobsites.”
        Source: DWP ‘05 Work Search Review‘ – accessed 15/5/18 [emphasis added]

        superted

        May 25, 2018 at 3:13 pm

      • Since using Find A Job theres been no sending though sometimes three different websites’ to get to the application site unlike Universal Jobmatch.

        Long winded coverletter’s issued at Jobcentreplus and rejected by indeed for being overlong for best results are done away with too.If problems like age were so easily overcome.

        ken

        May 26, 2018 at 12:16 pm

      • superted

        This is all very well but what about the claimants you refer to as sheeple. They’ll just roll over and do whatever coachy tells them to do. They’ll give the DWP access to their Faj account. You may have noticed that I don’t post on here as often as I used to. I’ve tried to help people via this site and others, and at the Jobcentre as well. Oh Lord how I’ve tried. It’s like having your teeth ripped out one by one without anaesthetic – it’s painful.

        jj joop

        May 27, 2018 at 10:38 am

    • Jobseekers (claimants) are their own worse enemy. Spineless bastards! Are they really worth fighting for?

      Jellyfish

      May 25, 2018 at 3:28 pm

    • Jobseekers (claimants) are their own worst enemy. Spineless bastards! Are they really worth fighting for?

      Jellyfish

      May 25, 2018 at 3:30 pm

  5. Guess the chosen ones can never have to much!

    https://www.politico.eu/article/george-osborne-eighth-job/

    Foxglove

    May 25, 2018 at 3:37 pm

  6. You’re almost there! We have received your recent job application but…

    In order to progress your job application and remain compliant with new data protection laws please click here to confirm you agree to our Terms and Conditions and the use of you data for this application and future services.

    Best Wishes,

    The TalentSpa Team

    if i have to agree the tc to even now apply for a job then the 3rd party providers like a4e and the health and work programme ect under the gdpr are screwed mandatory is now not a option as explicit permission must now be asked to process your data and at any time you can ask to have this deleted.

    the provider guidance for the hawp is now not compatible with the gdpr as mandatory is not a option as they will need explicit permission from each person and with that will need a wet sig on there contracts.

    and as that comes under contract law you can just say NO.;)

    superted

    May 25, 2018 at 5:27 pm

    • YUP. But….they will find a way of copping out. They could bring in a clause that says if you opt out your benefit etc etc etc

      northolt boy

      May 26, 2018 at 9:13 am

  7. Reblogged this on seachranaidhe1.

    seachranaidhe1

    May 26, 2018 at 8:57 am

  8. If you give coachy access to your faj account either directly, by sight or printouts YOU will be breaking the LAW. The penalties for contravening the GDPR are severe.

    warning

    May 26, 2018 at 11:08 am

  9. Food poverty in Coventry to be tackled with community supermarket scheme

    Coventry is one of three cities piloting the scheme

    https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/food-poverty-coventry-tackled-community-14707699

    ken

    May 26, 2018 at 12:00 pm

    • The scheme would work on a membership basis, assessed by need, whereby those signed up would be able to buy food at approximately a third of the price they would in a normal supermarket.

      So the food isn’t free, whereas the food in food banks are free, what do you think people would do?

      whoknew

      May 27, 2018 at 11:11 am

  10. Anyone know anything about this. Claimants being compelled by the Jobcentre to hand over their contact details telephone number and email address?

    Work search review declaration – Declaration coupon
    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/work_search_review_declaration_d

    jj joop

    May 27, 2018 at 2:43 pm

    • under jsa you have never had to give the jcp a phone number or email address as this comes under personnel data under the dpa as all you need to claim benefits is a address and a ni number.

      looks like there making up the rules regs and laws to suit them lol and in any case some ppl dont have phones or email addresses so what they going to do sanction them because they cant afford it.

      superted

      May 27, 2018 at 3:12 pm

      • There is nothing specific that requires a JSA claimant to supply a personal email
        address to Jobcentre Plus. However, the claimant must supply sufficient evidence to
        demonstrate compliance with a specific requirement placed upon them, which could
        include creating an email account.

        https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/mandatory_email_address

        The Universal Credit, Personal Independence Payment, Jobseeker’s Allowance and
        Employment and Support Allowance (Claims and Payments) Regulations 2013 (S.I. 2013/380)
        sets out the requirements for a claim for Universal Credit (UC).

        There is no recorded information on this issue because it is not a legal requirement of claiming
        UC that a claimant provides a mobile phone number or an e-mail address. UC can be paid to a
        claimant without either of these recorded.

        https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/providing_an_email_address_and_p

        superted

        May 27, 2018 at 3:25 pm

      • 1. When claimants are being switched from JSA to UC, will their claim for UC be suspended
        and terminated if they fail to provide an email address or phone number as part of the switch
        over?

        2. Will their JSA be suspended, i.e. will they be sanctioned if they do not provide an email
        address and phone number?

        3. If it is not a legal or policy requirement for claimants to provide an email address or phone
        number when being switched over, how is their claim processed?

        DWP Response:
        We do not hold the requested information

        https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/do_i_need_to_provide_an_email_ad

        superted

        May 27, 2018 at 3:27 pm

      • The FoI requester doesn’t say exactly which JC is doing this. I’m guessing this may just be an isolated case of one over zealous coach on a mission. You know the type – drunk on power. Still it’s worth keeping an eye on.

        When I attended a group signing recently, the coach wanted to know if we had all created a jobseeker account on Find a job yet. She made it sound as though it were a mandatory activity, which it isn’t.

        jj joop

        May 28, 2018 at 7:47 am

    • To be honest I think the phone number and email thing is used mostly to confirm your identify than anything else. When I have had to ring the Universal Credit call centre to report a change of circumstances they always as: “Do you have a phone number?”. As far as I can tell this is just the most common security question from several possible security questions which they as to make sure that you are you and somebody pretending to be you isn’t on the end of the phone.

      Ro

      May 29, 2018 at 2:15 pm

      • the only time i have given a phone number is when i was on extended sick leave 12 weeks and had telephone interviews but i gave them the no for the phone box up the road so good job they phoned on time lol.

        now if i sign on and the pad wont work or refuse to use it then they will point blank refuse to sign me on without id like a passport bc or bank card and will then bypass the digital pad.

        there is no requirement buy law to sign on using the pads so you can refuse as this also means they cant update the claimant commitment as they need a sig on the pad 80% match to update it.

        Electronic Signing is not mandatory under legislation; however it brings significant benefits for
        both Claimants and the Department in terms of paper reduction, security and preventing
        payments errors.

        https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/is_electronic_signing_using_the

        superted

        May 29, 2018 at 3:00 pm

      • I actually don’t use the phone number the Jobcentre and Universal Credit people have on my records but I still use it as ID when speaking to them. Why? Because my number got leaked somehow and must have got put on a DVD of numbers that ends up being bought for peanuts by fraudsters and criminals. I had to ditch the SIM in my mobile phone because I got so many fake phone calls from people and phony messages left on my voice mail I was on the verge of tearing my hair out, so I dumped the EE SIM and got an ASDA one, with a new number, and didn’t set up a voice mail box to avoid having to bother with shitloads of unwanted recorded calls, but still use my old EE number when phone Universal Credit, who are none the wiser.

        Ro

        May 29, 2018 at 4:11 pm

  11. Unfortunately the staff at the Jobcentre don’t seem to have grasped the words their opinion.

    ken

    May 27, 2018 at 6:35 pm

    • 3c9ef81ed7242b7c568355895109981e--furby-boom-top-toys
      ken thats because they talk complete bollocks in the first place 😉

      superted

      May 27, 2018 at 11:13 pm

  12. Huge rise in number of desperate Dundee households seeking help after benefit reforms

    The number of hard-pressed Dundonians who have had to seek emergency help from the council has increased more than tenfold since controversial benefit changes were introduced.

    The number of applications for financial assistance received by the city council since the UK Government’s Welfare Reform changes were introduced have increased from 339 in 2012/13 to nearly 5000 in 2017/18 – an increase of around 1400%.

    https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/dundee/660292/huge-rise-in-number-of-desperate-dundee-households-seeking-help-after-benefit-reforms/

    ken

    May 28, 2018 at 10:40 am

  13. Provider Forms: “Not a mandatory requirement for claimants to fill in or sign any provider forms or documents when participating in a provider led mandatory activity or programme.” Freedom of Information response from the DWP.

    https://intensiveactivity.wordpress.com/2016/01/30/provider-forms-not-a-mandatory-requirement-for-claimants-to-fill-in-or-sign-any-provider-forms-or-documents-when-participating-in-a-provider-led-mandatory-activity-or-programme-freedom-of-info/

    https://uploadfiles.io/rkvcn

    Thanks to Superted for his input into this.

    ken

    May 28, 2018 at 10:56 am

  14. Mr Frank Zola know less has felt compelled to step in and squash the FUD (fear uncertainty and disinformation) being spread by this DWP agent (osris)

    “osris

    Outright reject your use of the term “access”, it is a meaningless knowing diversion from facts and I consider it disinformation and not misinformation, due to your repeated use despite being challenged on this thread.”

    BB

    May 28, 2018 at 2:40 pm

    • “osris wrote:
      I just went to the FaJ site to see if I could just browse the jobs there, but I can’t unless I first create an account—or so the page I landed on said:

      findajob.dwp.gov.uk/

      Mr Frank Zola said: Sorry but I will no longer invest my efforts on the topic of FAJ, when nonsense like above continues to be posted.

      Farewell WC, it’s me not you!”

      Seems like DWP mole osris has now succeeded in driving off Mr Frank Zola

      Birdwoman

      May 29, 2018 at 7:02 am

    • osris wrote:

      Sorry, I see it now. I didn’t see the search bar at the top of the page.
      I can’t believe you didn’t see the search bar, after all it’s just above the part that says: You can search for jobs without setting up an account.

      Also, congratulations on ending MrFrankZola’s involvement on this site. It looks like your little plan to cause as much disruption here as possible is slowly taking effect.

      Flotsam: People who are considered to be worthless or to have been rejected by society.

      Birdwoman

      May 29, 2018 at 8:28 am

  15. Just wondering, what are you all going to do when your coach asks for your faj password? What valid reason are you going to give for refusing access to your faj account? Don’t think coming over all Benefit Bolshie: “I know my rights!” is going to help. Sensible answers only please.

    osis

    May 29, 2018 at 9:34 am

    • You don’t need a reason. It’s your right to deny access to such information under the terms of both the old Data Protection Act and newer General Data Protection Regulations.

      Ro

      May 29, 2018 at 1:03 pm

  16. Just wondering, what are you all going to do when your coach asks for your faj password? What valid reason are you going to give for refusing access to your faj account? Don’t think coming over all Benefit Bolshie: “I know my rights!” is going to help. Sensible answers only please.

    osris

    May 29, 2018 at 9:34 am

    • osis

      I will give them the same answer I gave when they wanted access to my Universal Jobmatch account:

      There is no legal requirement for claimants to give the DWP access to their ‘Find a job’ account. If such a requirement exists then I would be grateful if you could evidence it to me in writing at your earliest possible convenience quoting the relevant legislation/act of parliament. Thank you.

      The End.

      jj joop

      May 29, 2018 at 10:50 am

      • Sorry I misspelt your name. Didn’t have my specs on.

        jj joop

        May 29, 2018 at 10:51 am

      • Your apology is accepted.

        osris

        May 29, 2018 at 11:28 am

    • Osris

      Why don’t you start by telling us all WHY DWP have to ask in the first place, i mean they reside as data controller over FAJ who then appoints data processors ?

      And for that fact, WHY is it that they even have to make a claimant register, WHY don’t they just hand a claimant an already setup account just like they can send a work programme provider a claimants details without lawful consent legally under exemption ?

      doug

      May 29, 2018 at 11:07 am

      • There is no need to come over all aggressive doug. Have you written to Esther McVey to confirm any of this pseudo legal mumbo-jumbo that you spew out? We are not all barrack room lawyers you know. It would help if you could explain in simpler terms that maybe we can all understand?

        osris

        May 29, 2018 at 11:27 am

      • Osris

        Its only a simple question that you yourself set in motion when you asked the valid question of i quote “Just wondering, what are you all going to do when your coach asks for your faj password?

        The reason for the question is to assist you in understanding what it is your asking so we revert to data protection law that im sorry is very far from pseudo legal mumbo-jumbo unless of course your stating with some authority that the UK government has refused to enforce the GDPR and the DPA prior to this.

        So the question remains why do DWP have to ask a claimant for access codes, why are DWP not using an exemption under GDPR to forgo such a required action like the prevention or detection of crime or Regulatory activity and as they are the data controller of said FAJ, don’t just lawfully waltz into your data bypassing required access all together ?

        doug

        May 30, 2018 at 10:29 am

    • Reasons don’t come into it. Refuse and that’s that. You don’t have to explain or justify your decision and nobody can penalise you for exercising your a right to such privacy. Of all the departments of government the DWP is the most pernicious and dishonest; only a fool would volunteer to have any personal data scrutinized by such discredited and malicious people.

      Ro

      May 29, 2018 at 2:24 pm

      • Just say no.They did try with me to gain access in another room at an appointment to look into Universal Jobmatch booking a double appointment nothing came of it so we could work togeter as they put it.

        Never give anyone passwords.Be wary of G4S cameras positioned near or beind computers at the jobcentre.always delete previous history.I would never enter a password on one of their public computers.

        ken

        May 29, 2018 at 3:08 pm

  17. Huge rise in number of desperate Dundee households seeking help after benefit reforms
    by Stefan Morkis May 28 2018, 8.01am

    https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/dundee/660292/huge-rise-in-number-of-desperate-dundee-households-seeking-help-after-benefit-reforms/

    Andrew Coates

    May 29, 2018 at 12:41 pm

  18. Customer support service to be launched when new benefits system rolled out

    The interim service from Breckland Council will enable people to seek advice as well as making use of computers which will be needed to submit Universal Credit applications.

    http://www.wattonandswaffhamtimes.co.uk/news/support-service-launched-by-breckland-council-1-5538019

    ken

    May 29, 2018 at 3:14 pm

  19. Child poverty to become a bigger problem in Clydebank with Universal Credit rollout

    CHILD poverty in Clydebank will become an even bigger problem when Universal Credit is introduced in the area later this year.

    That’s the stark warning issued as West Dunbartonshire officials prepare for the rollout of the new benefit in November.

    http://www.clydebankpost.co.uk/news/16256311.Child_poverty_to_become_a_bigger_problem_in_Clydebank_with_Universal_Credit_rollout/

    ken

    May 29, 2018 at 3:16 pm

  20. you dont need a computer or email address to claim uc it can be done over the phone and then a face to face for the id check.
    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/when_will_it_become_mandatory_fo

    this is just another scam to get funding from the esf ect and again will want a sig on there 12 month contract 😉

    superted

    May 29, 2018 at 3:25 pm

  21. The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) has been colluding with Sainsbury’s to spy on welfare claimants and disabled people.

    https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2018/05/29/the-dwp-has-been-colluding-with-sainsburys-to-spy-on-disabled-people/

    superted

    May 29, 2018 at 5:36 pm

    • There’s no way the DWP can scrutinise the footage from every Sainsbury’s throughout the UK. They might like to do things like this if it was possible, but it isn’t so I wouldn’t worry about it. The DWP haven’t got enough equipment or staff to make a go of Universal Credit let alone put every single Sainsbury’s customer under scrutiny for benefit fraud. In any case when did buying groceries become a crime? Laughable stuff.

      Ro

      May 29, 2018 at 7:57 pm

  22. Fucking b*stards they don’t miss a trick do they. They will do anything to take a claimants meagre benefits off them.

    Violet

    May 29, 2018 at 6:50 pm

  23. “DWP COLLUDING WITH SAINSBURY’S TO SPY ON DISABLED PEOPLE”

    The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) has been colluding with Sainsbury’s to spy on welfare claimants and disabled people.

    https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2018/05/29/the-dwp-has-been-colluding-with-sainsburys-to-spy-on-disabled-people/

    PREPARE FOR AN EARLY GRAVE

    Sarah7

    May 29, 2018 at 9:50 pm

  24. Sainsbury’s customers voice concern over ‘creepy’ CCTV screens placed above self-service checkouts

    Sarah7

    May 30, 2018 at 12:30 am

  25. Sainsbury’s customers voice concern over ‘creepy’ CCTV screens placed above self-service checkouts

    PREPARE FOR AN EARLY GRAVE

    Sarah7

    May 30, 2018 at 12:36 am

    • That’s only to see if anybody is shop lifting.

      Ro

      May 30, 2018 at 7:37 am

    • They can and will also put cameras in the screens and the scanners too. BTW Poundland put 10p bags above the 5p bags here in ipswich. They have a staff member there all the time too

      Northolt Boy

      May 30, 2018 at 9:30 am

    • If it bothers you that much just use the traditional tills while they still exist, purchase by only providing profiles, get one of those lights or material that mess up the cameras ability to take shot or keep a balaclava for just such special occasions.

      doug

      May 30, 2018 at 10:58 am

  26. Froze to the bone in my igloo home, counting the days till the ice turns green.

    Eskimo

    May 30, 2018 at 1:14 am

  27. With food prices rising as fast as they are with coffee at £2 a jar and similar the whitener.Items going up 20p each anyone on benifits will be looked on with suspicion,they simply cannot afford to shop there on benefits.

    Its a serious situation with food prices.Similarly the removal of sell by dates and selling older food simply means the shelf life at home is reduced and thrown away earlier instead of the supermarket for anyone who shops ahead.

    ken

    May 30, 2018 at 9:35 am

    • Accidentally discovered there is a RIPA on my bank account, Don’t know why though

      Worried

      May 30, 2018 at 9:42 am

      • Worried

        If the only action happening on your account is welfare going in and you taking cash out, i wouldn’t worry.
        It maybe if you have any direct debits,standing orders or a regular specific card transaction that it is this body that is being snooped on meaning your connection with maybe being assessed to see if you are somehow involved. Things even if it is solely about you like tax evasion, money laundering,etc.

        Now as crazy as it may sound people who like sell stuff on ebay,amazon for instance are still subject to tax law if enough money/assets are exchanged and profit can be shown. Ive had personal dealings with others who fell down this very rabbit hole as it is possible to secure an income that is taxable from such an endeavor. It also includes paypal accounts,bit coin, infact any online organisation/business who acts as a third party and places monetary funds into a persons account even if that account resides only on their website and funds cannot through them be then transferred to any other account.

        Hope this helps although contacting the authorities would give greater clarity.

        doug

        May 30, 2018 at 10:51 am

      • It’s a new one. How did you find out? Bank staff blurted it out? Credit reference agency?

        Miss Marple

        May 30, 2018 at 11:37 am

      • I was asking the bank a question. The clerk phoned the banks main office. She then said I can’t tell him that I just can’t. I have direct debits to an insurance company. The water and electric company. All my bills and rent are upto date as is the council tax. I do Not Smoke nor do I Drink Alcohol. I have no debts or even an over draught.

        Worried

        May 31, 2018 at 8:57 am

  28. In April I was referred to ingeus for help to find work as i’m long term unemployed on jsa with no illnesses. I asked th wc if this was work and health program and she said no. She issued me with a jobseekers direction to attend the direction said to attend whp minister. So I researched whp minister and quickly learnt from reading whp referral guidance that the wc referred me to the work and health program stating that I was autistic which I am not. Whp minister means claimants are autisic.

    I attended the whp appointment told them I’m not autistic they still wanted me to sign up to their program. I didn’t sign the whp consent to share my cv to third parties form which also stated I could withdraw my consent at anytime. The whp adviser said I cannot take part as it’s his job to apply for jobs for me. I told him he can give me the details and I can do it myself.
    When I saw my normal adviser I told her about the consent form and she agreed I could still take part even though I didn’t sign their consent form. The wc said she will speak to her manager.

    4 weeks later I have got a new wc who asks me why I’m not on health program I tell her the same thing as I told the last wc and at that point I’m faced with a onslaught attack which lasts for 45 minutes with threats of sanction if I don’t sign whp consent there and then and how they will make me come in daily if i don’t sign it.
    This new work coach said it’s my fault I’m unemployed, if I didn’t need whp help I would have a job by now, if I was any good I would have a job by now if I could do anything for myself I would have a job by now.
    I didn’t refuse to take part I just didn’t signthe whp consent form.
    I asked to see the manager I wasn’t allowed to,the wc saw the manager herself and then told me the manager will deal with it. I signed on using pen and paper and then left.

    The next appointment my new wc said she is doing a new cc with me I said ok. She rises out of her chair and calls over another wc to sit with me. I now have two work coachs berating me wanting to know why I’m not on whp I ask them has the manager contacted whp and they say no she can’t get hold of them.
    I’m faced with abuse,threats of sanction,referral to decusion makers and intimidation.
    They looked at my cv and had another rant because I didn’t let them see my email. They said they want my email address. I told them I do not wish to be contacted by email from a work coach they said withholding it from a wc is a barrier.
    The two wc tried shame me for being unemployed they asked am I on any medication. They said they don’t care about any foi I show them and instead of being concerned about rules and regulations I should be more concerned about getting a job. They kept shouting at me the amount if time I’ve been unemployed and wanted a minute by minute account of what I do all day. I told them I want a new adviser and they barked no at me.
    The wc said if I don’t sign cc electronically she will send it to a decision maker and tell them withholding my signature is a barrier for me and making me unemployable.
    They said it’s easy to get a job in retail and if you can’t there must be something wrong with you.

    I asked to see the manager. I told him it’s not mandatory to sign electronically he wouldn’t answer the question and told me not to attack him. I stayed calm during all of this unprovoked attack on me.

    The manager analysed my cv in a patronising way,he also announced loudly how long I’ve been unemployed he told me he wouldn’t employ me and the first thing he would do is put my cv in a bin.

    At this point I realize all the other work coaches are hovering around listening they have no appointments and some are even sitting in the waiting room chairs getting a good show.
    The manager tells me he wants me to sign electronically it’s like the postman. I ask him again is it mandatory and after a two hour attac he finally said no it’s not mandatory and instead of following rules and regulations I should concentrate more on getting a job.
    It is now 5pm and he gives me my next appointment and says he will be watching me from now on I’m on his radar.
    I left feeling like total shit with every work coach watching me waiting for me to react angrily.
    How I stayed calm during that onslaught of attack with what seemed like every wc in the room loving it I don’t know.

    Catwoman

    June 3, 2018 at 12:19 pm

    • they dont want you to stay calm thats the point to get you so mad g4s will have you out the building and not signed on.

      you should just say sanction me then and that you will take it up with the tribunal service as they will take foi requests in to account as it is the dwps rules and regs.

      had the same thing with different coaches for years only this time if they want to go there i can take my tribunal letter that states i dont have to sign 3rd party contracts and dont give them permission to process my personnel data.

      superted

      June 3, 2018 at 1:37 pm

      • they dont want you to stay calm thats the point to get you so mad g4s will have you out the building and not signed on.

        Thats the name of the game Superted.

        to “agitate” and “Inconvenience” customers

        https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jan/20/jobcentre-hit-squads-benefit-claimants-sanctions

        http://data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/work-and-pensions-committee/benefit-sanctions-policy-beyond-the-oakley-review/written/16165.html

        ken

        June 3, 2018 at 1:48 pm

      • remember if its not ur signing day then they must pay bus fair to the jcp and trust me they wont keep that up for long as been there done that lasted a week at most.

        and the main reason i cant get a job is because of providers sat in there offices all day applying for job after job and massive gaps in my cv over 10 years of there so called help.

        the only thing the provider is interested in is there funding and as you refused to sign the esf14-20 means they wont get nothing so the provider is the one failing to participate.

        it also sounds like the whp provider did not do a skills assessment and just told you to sign this or else and as per esf funding rules a assessment must take place to see if there is a skills need to gain that funding.

        as you refused to sign the esf funding form /contract the dwp has no right sharing data with the provider or even talking to them so thats why they cant get hold of them.

        in the past 24 months i have applied for over 6000 retail jobs and not 1 interview and yet every day in the news a retailer goes bust like toys r us ect ect.

        the whp is nothing new bar its name its the same old system the wp was based on and worse than useless bar them getting there funding of course.

        superted

        June 3, 2018 at 2:13 pm

      • It’s the old Shit Squad all over again.

        *If you have a problem with the jobcentre call the A Team*

        The A Team

        June 3, 2018 at 4:02 pm

    • “[roach] referred me to the work and health program stating that I was autistic”, that’s like saying “[roach] referred me to the work and health program stating that I was schizophrenic. These are severe mental illnesses that attract the high rate of disability benefits (over £320 a week + Motability car + extras). No one who was autistic would come within a mile of signing on in the first place. The joke centre are playing funny buggers.

      Birdwoman

      June 3, 2018 at 3:45 pm

    • take your phone out and quite clearlystate -you are exercising your right to record this conversation and whenit is recording quite clearlystate I am recordingt hisconverstion because I feel I am being intimadated and under duress – then ask the person to state their name,position and grounds forwhy they feel you should be refered to a decision maker.

      Make sure you record the refusal and being asked to leave as well.

      growls

      June 7, 2018 at 1:07 am

  29. The manager said they are re refering me next week. What do you think will happen if I still don’t sign whp paperwork.

    Also do decision makers take on board whats said in foi. As Im being threatend with sanction if I don’t give wc my email address. When I know I don’t have to as its my right.

    Catwoman

    June 3, 2018 at 3:22 pm

    • if you attend the provider and again refuse to sign there contract they will ask you to leave again just ask them for the reason they are asking you to leave in writing.

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      a dm may or may not look at a foi but at the end of the day there is no requirement under law that requires you to give them a email address to keep on record.

      if the coach does to try a sanction doubt then you will have to fill in a good reason letter that the dm will look at so do this in writing and not over the phone and make it clear that you know how to take it to tribunal and have a sscs1 form ready to go as it will be a unlawful sanction doubt and could cost them there job.

      There is nothing specific that requires a JSA claimant to supply a personal email
      address to Jobcentre Plus. However, the claimant must supply sufficient evidence to
      demonstrate compliance with a specific requirement placed upon them, which could
      include creating an email account.

      https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/328809/response/805267/attach/html/3/FOI%201558.pdf.html

      so what that means is they can issue a direction to prove you have a email address but they cant keep a record of it on there system/lms as it is you personnel data and they need ur permission.

      a screen shot of ur email account or print out will prove this is the case as you cant even apply for a job with out one same as a cv that they can also give a direction for to prove that you have one.

      foi requests will hold more waight if there in ur name so id get on that and fire away as there free and can do as many as you want and the tribunal judges like that as you made a effort.

      all your coach is trying to do is grind you down so you give up and as soon as they realise you wont be broken and you will take it all the way to tribunal they will soon move on to the next sheep.

      id hit the coach with a sar on the next visit to get all the data of the lms that there writing on there about you as they will soon change there tune.

      https://www.gov.uk/guidance/request-your-personal-information-from-the-department-for-work-and-pensions

      superted

      June 3, 2018 at 3:49 pm

      • DSC_0693_01

        DSC_0008

        i won that in 9 mins and to date the coach and floor manager have been mia ever since and im just dumped to one adviser to another like a pin ball. and i did show them both the foi that states i dont have to sign provider paperwork and the provider as well.

        at the end the judge asked was i going to do this again and i said yes, he said good for you more ppl need to stand up to the dwp. 😉

        i also covered my ass with a budgeting loan to cover the sanction and got back what was stopped 6 months later after i won.

        https://www.gov.uk/budgeting-help-benefits/how-to-claim

        superted

        June 3, 2018 at 4:28 pm

      • not worth the paper it’s printed on pmsl

        sen

        June 3, 2018 at 4:45 pm

      • wouldn’t stand up in a court of law pmsl

        sen

        June 3, 2018 at 4:46 pm

      • to bad i have a live sig from a judge that states other wise and in any case if i had to go to the upper tribunal court on a point of law i would have one that as well as the dwp did not have a leg to stand on and did not even bother to show up to defend there unlawful actions on both counts.

        superted

        June 3, 2018 at 4:56 pm

  30. Do you think I should send them a complaint letter to the manager of them,about the way they are speaking and intimidating me..
    Ive already written one just need the courage to send it.

    Catwoman

    June 3, 2018 at 8:16 pm

    • it is up to you at the end of the day but i have never got no where sending in complaints at my jcp they just seem to think they can do what they like with ppl and when you stand up to them well you see what you get for that.

      if you do send one send it recorded delivery and keep a copy of what you sent that way they cant say they never received it.

      they wont keep it up for long and will soon move on to someone else and not much point asking for a new coach as there all the same.

      superted

      June 3, 2018 at 8:26 pm


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