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Bureaucratic Nightmare. 

 

Find a Job service to replace Universal Jobmatch

The Government has announced that Universal Jobmatch will be replaced by the Find a Job service on 14 May 2018. Your existing Universal Jobmatch account will not move to the new service.

 

I really do not like this bit:

Save any information you want to keep, like CVs, cover letters and application history by 17 June 2018.

Please ensure that you have a screenshot of the job advertisement on file taken on the first day of placement showing:

  • full and legible contents of the advert
  • location of the role
  • job title, duties and responsibilities
  • required skillset and experience
  • an indication of salary or a salary range, “competitive” or “competitive rates apply” is suitable if this an industry norm
  • vacancy reference number
  • date of placement
  • URL
  • closing date for applications (the advert must appear live for at least 28 days)

You will also need to download the following documents:

  • All applications shortlisted for final interview in the medium they were received – emails, CV, application form – each should include the applicant’s details such as name, address, date of birth
  • The names and total number of applicants shortlisted for final interview
  • For each settled worker rejected from the process (British or EEA national, holder of Indefinite Leave to Remain or Permanent Residence under the EEA regs, UK ancestry visa holder), you must retain interview notes which show reasons why they have not been employed
  • Details of any applicants who applied and the reasons they were rejected (applicable to new sponsor licence applications only).

Basic account information will be migrated to the new service. An email with further information about this will be sent to users.

New employer registrations on Universal Jobmatch will close on 10 May 2018 and open on Find a Job on 14 May 2018.

Doug comments,

Important points of findajob to take note on

Findajobs programme  and operation can and will if applicable share data that could be personal and this transaction may or may not legally require a person lawful consent.

Also it has the capability to monitor and record all transactions that take place off its site and can detail dates,times and keystrokes,etc.
Apart from having findajob list all existing third parties, you also need to know the following,

1: Are they asking for lawful consent to future third parties that as yet they have not entered into an arrangement with or any unknown thirdparties they may do in the future. By granting lawful consent, your be be giving findajob lawful permission the moment you register to give some or all of your personal data as per applicable with need and applicable laws (via those domains) that wont require any further announcement to you asking for permission.

2: What cookies and especially supercookies they are or intend to use. Whether or not they again are also trying to secure lawful consent at registration with a view should they add further unannounced cookies/supercookies in the future that they may do so without seeking any further lawful consent.

Doug.

Still somebody seems to be happy.

 

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Written by Andrew Coates

May 16, 2018 at 12:19 pm

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  1. well i am lost already. screen shot. for one. just tried doing one on my new win 10 desk top… its impossible. so different to the old paint.totally confusing. to do all that on a daily basis…how they going to find time to apply for all the (non -existant) jobs they are expected to apply for? only 24 hrs in a day and mot of them will be taken up trying to all that paperwork.so glad im out of the jobs market now.

    hugosmum70

    May 16, 2018 at 1:37 pm

    • Out of the job market, me too, thank …I took the local job I have.

      whoknew

      May 17, 2018 at 11:46 am

    • Standard UK laptop keyboards still have a PrtScr key but to use that you have to know that a) hitting PrtScr doesn’t seem to do anything but actually creates a temporary image on your clipboard without telling you and b) that you have to then paste that image into another application like Word to print it and save the file.

      I am pretty sure every version of Windows after Vista has a snipping tool which is actually far better than PrtScr – but you have to find that in the applications menu and again be able to save the image it creates.

      Neither option of which may be available at all on old or library computers – or be very easily understood by someone who has not been using computers their whole life.

      Glad I am out of the job market too…

      • finding anything in windows 10 is a challenge on its own. and ive been using computers for over15 years. had my own websites learnt html. etc. and yes i used the PrtSc many many times . i do understand how it works. but as you say finding the programmes you need once you’ve taken a prtsc is the problem. for others who, as you say who are not puter literate it must be a nightmare if such as me are getting confused. this govt are using the lack of pc knowledge to kick people off benefits as well as the usual sanctions etc.

        hugosmum70

        May 20, 2018 at 12:43 pm

  2. Doesn’t work for me either.

    Andrew Coates

    May 16, 2018 at 2:05 pm

  3. Me neither, sounds like hell.

    Violet

    May 16, 2018 at 2:54 pm

    • Where does it say all that stuff about screenshots? On Universal Jobmatch? Incidentally I asked Azura whether CVs posted on FindAJob could be seen by employers and the DWP or were private and got this reply:

      “When you upload a CV to your Find a job account it is private unless you send it to an employer as part of the application process. Your attached files cannot be viewed by other parties including the DWP itself. We can view your search activity and when you log in and out of the service.”

      I should have asked if the DWP can view search activities as well, but at least CVs are private and cannot be viewed by the world and his wife.

      Percy S.

      May 16, 2018 at 3:19 pm

      • https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/adzunas_find_a_job_technology_jo#incoming-1158772

        “DWP staff will not have access to view jobseeker accounts, CVs or
        activity/application history.”

        superted

        May 16, 2018 at 3:24 pm

      • As an “employer” 😉 on Find a Job we can confirm that we are unable to view CVs.

        Peckham Trading Ltd

        May 16, 2018 at 3:47 pm

      • Well at least FindAJob won’t facilitate data theft if personal data remains private. When I created a Universal Jobmatch account I started getting dump phone calls and reckon my name and phone number got lifted from my public CV, or. maybe, from one I emailed to someone to apply for a job. My bet is that Work Coaches will try to compel people to supply printouts of their activity history and other stuff; they tried this one on with people who denied the DWP access to their Universal Jobmatch accounts.

        Percy S.

        May 16, 2018 at 5:15 pm

      • Does ‘over the shoulder’ access breach the GDPR? Doug?

        Compliance

        May 16, 2018 at 5:28 pm

      • id like to see them try that with me but yes as it is your personnel data and contract with adzuna thus why the foi states the above the dwp has no access to it other than you showing them.

        tbh i cant even see coaches pushing this as now with no access at all what would even the point be in the first place?

        superted

        May 16, 2018 at 5:42 pm

      • Percy S

        (point1)

        This recording of evidence is not for UK claimants.

        http://www.lewissilkin.com/Insights/Find-a-Job-service-to-replace-Universal-Jobmatch

        “have the required advertising and Resident Labour Market Test (RLMT) evidence for all your sponsored Tier 2 (General) workers. You may be asked to produce this evidence in support of sponsor licence applications, Restricted COS applications or as part of a Home Office compliance visit” .
        Taken from link above.

        As you can see, this has nothing to do with claimants at all and is in fact what is expected and advised towards EMPLOYERS who recruit for UK positions overseas (Tier 2 (General) immigration route).

        https://smithstonewalters.com/2017/02/09/conduct-resident-labour-market-test/

        (point2)

        As is clear in the findajob privacy page

        https://findajob.dwp.gov.uk/privacy.html

        “The DWP are the Data Controller of any personal data processed by the Service and described in this privacy policy. Adzuna provide the Service and protect the personal data acting in their role as the Data Processor”.

        “The privacy policy should be read alongside the acceptable use policy and the cookie policy, as well as the DWP personal information charter”.

        https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/department-for-work-pensions/about/personal-information-charter

        A data processor works under and for the data controller. A data controller only makes the decision of how your data is processed so adzuna is merely telling you what DWP want you to hear.

        GDPR or even the old DPA make clear what these roles are and what can and cannot do.

        doug

        May 18, 2018 at 10:19 am

      • Percy S

        Sorry, i should have said a data controller controls how and or what is processed.

        doug

        May 18, 2018 at 12:09 pm

      • Cheers, doug. Be that as may on all pages of recorded data, e.g., activity, there are print buttons, which I don’t think have been put there for the benefit of users. I reckon that Work Coaches are going to try to pressure people on Universal Credit, to print out these pages for scrutiny, rather than provide their own record of job-search, effectively getting access to all data relating to the user, from Find-a-Job, in proxy.

        People should refuse to be tricked into doing this.

        Data culled by Find-a-Job remains private unless you are daft enough to make it otherwise.

        Percy S.

        May 19, 2018 at 8:13 am

      • 101010 0101 011 1 in 10 know nothing about binary wake up DWP and bring in a simple system

        Binary Boffin

        May 19, 2018 at 8:20 am

      • quote from above……..I really do not like this bit:

        Save any information you want to keep, like CVs, cover letters and application history by 17 June 2018.

        Please ensure that you have a screenshot of the job advertisement on file taken on the first day of placement showing:

        full and legible contents of the advert
        location of the role
        job title, duties and responsibilities
        required skillset and experience
        an indication of salary or a salary range, “competitive” or “competitive rates apply” is suitable if this an industry norm
        vacancy reference number
        date of placement
        URL
        closing date for applications (the advert must appear live for at least 28 days)

        hugosmum70

        May 20, 2018 at 12:47 pm

  4. Reblogged this on sdbast.

    sdbast

    May 16, 2018 at 3:27 pm

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    mili68

    May 16, 2018 at 3:51 pm

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    A6er

    May 16, 2018 at 3:56 pm

  7. What unholy corner of hell did they dredge this up from! It’s worse than Universal Jobmatch.

    jj joop

    May 16, 2018 at 4:48 pm

    • It is. For a moment I though that the list of jobs in “Categories” would be helpful to sort the wheat from the chaff, but, after looking found that searches were split into “Categories” which were meaningless. Nurse jobs were appearing with engineering jobs in the “Production” category etc. Pretty rubbish really and probably even worse than Universal Jobmatch: At the time of writing a mere 61,949 vacancies are listed on FindAJob for the whole UK, which is pretty lousy really.

      Ro

      May 23, 2018 at 9:24 am

  8. Jobseekers are going to find themselves frog-marched to a joke shop computer, told to log-on to their find a job account, give the roach sight of it, then the roach will take the liberty of printing off the activity logs. This
    is what happened with ujm.

    Britain isn't eating

    May 16, 2018 at 5:01 pm

    • you can provide work search evidence any way you like and the dwp cant dictate how you provide this or in what format.

      jj

      what did you expect, it was going to be even better pmsl it is not even fit for purpose anymore 😉

      superted

      May 16, 2018 at 5:11 pm

      • The thing is though many jobseekers are too scared to challenge or question the joke shop for fear of losing their benefits. They do exactly as they are told. And they will do exactly as they are told regarding find a job.

        Compliance

        May 16, 2018 at 5:23 pm

      • ted

        To be honest mate, I don’t know what I was expecting. But I always live in hope. Titter!

        jj joop

        May 16, 2018 at 6:05 pm

    • Just refuse. As superted says it is up to you to present jobsearch evidence in any form you like, as long as you can do so if asked. I keep a written record because it is editable and allows me to choose what the Jobcentre sees and how.

      Percy S.

      May 16, 2018 at 5:18 pm

      • Percy.S….probably best way for anyone.especially for anyone who cant print anything for lack of printing facilities. not everyone can afford a printer. and even if they do the ink prices are very high. especially now that firms like Epsom are putting chips in their printers so you cant use compatible inks. i make my own greeting cards and Epsom inks are nothing like as good when it comes to clear colours. but having bought the printer ,not knowing about the inability to use compatible inks. i now am faced with a bill for over £35 every couple of months or so, more often than the compatibles too. as they don’t last as long. so anyone on benefits would not be able to afford to pay out in that way.

        hugosmum70

        May 17, 2018 at 2:05 pm

      • And if you don’t print anything for a day or two the heads will be gummed up and the printer will run through the ink cartridges cleaning them. Printing is expensive and prohibitorily so for anyone on JSA.

        J Seek

        May 17, 2018 at 2:58 pm

      • You can tattoo your job search evidence on your bare arse checks if you prefer.

        Butt Ocks

        May 17, 2018 at 3:04 pm

      • Medium (the platform on what data is presented) isnt under any regulation so as long as you don’t agree/consent to any particular format under CC contract, you may present it as you please and cannot be punished for it.

        The data you supply and or DWP ask for (ie, dates,times,vacancy,method of application etc) is about what is both lawful and reasonable.
        Obviously your supplying DWP with data that is specific to you to which you can be identified from what with it being logged/recorded under your name meaning lawful consent comes into play. I wont go into it but this makes for shaky GDPR ground as this data has yet to become a persons personal data (data does not exist yet) meaning unless worded right and lawfully consented to requires DWP to seek consent for any new personal data submitted.

        The reasonable part is its quite fair to supply enough job search data for DWP to establish you have as part of an agreed contract for benefits actually been actively seeking employment. It isn’t however considered reasonable to ask for data to track an individual with a view to placing them as guilty of fraud prior to obtaining data that would or could be used to incriminate that individual at a later data.

        To put this into context if a person gives the keys to their car to another to keep safe, its fair to suspect even if it hasn’t happened that the key holder may use the car despite not being given permission/instructions to do so.

        You don’t have to give DWP access codes and access for this to happen, especially considering they are the manufacturer (data controller). Ultimately how you contact the person who is directly offering the position at their business (this includes agencies who pay a salary as per work) dictates how data can be used or shared.

        Putting this aside all that matters to DWP is that when you declare you made an application that, it does exist in reality somewhere (one of the jobsites,shop window,etc) and you infact did make that application.
        The first part is easy to confirm, the second not so unless DWP have processing rights to or cite an individual for fraud and produce burden of proof prior to accessing/obtaining data from a person they have no data arrangement with (directly applied to employer not through findajob) that may incriminate an individual.

        Screen prints of application history through a job website despite peoples protests is a good way of doing this and can be done quite a few ways. It not only proves the job is real but confirms the application has been sent.
        The new UC journal is where every claimant will end up, meetings with DWP staff will become a very infrequent thing. Currently the journal only allows a person besides UJM to manually type in jobs applied for,actions done,so an addition to be able to upload images,docs,webpages,etc would be a better for the individual rather than typing loads of data detailing the same thing.

        doug

        May 18, 2018 at 11:16 am

  9. Claimant Commitment

    1) I will create a Find a Job account and upload a CV.

    2) At each signing-on appointment I will print off a copy of my activity logs (views, searches, applications) and give these to my work coach.

    How many jobseekers would fall for this?

    Clay Mant

    May 16, 2018 at 7:30 pm

    • 1) I will create a Find a Job account and upload a CV to my Find a Job account.

      2) I will log on to my Find a Job account to search for and apply for jobs for 35 hours a week

      3) I will provide proof to my work coach of my job search and jobs applied for on Find a Job by providing a print-out of the activity log (views, searches, applications) from my Find a Job account.

      Claimant Commitment

      May 17, 2018 at 7:41 am

  10. or

    Claimant Commitment

    1) I will create a Find a Job account and upload a CV.

    2) I will provide my work coach with the log on details (email address and password) to my Find a Job account.

    Clay Mant

    May 16, 2018 at 7:36 pm

    • you can refuse to sign the cc if you think it is unreasonable so asking for email and password under a threat of a sanction doubt would breach the gdpr.

      the cc is the contract and when you sign it thats it and you then must comply to it otherwise a sanction doubt will arise.

      if you dont agree to it then dont sign it until you do because that is the contract.

      and there not work coaches or advisers or civil servants, there agents same as a bailiff that work for a corporation the DWP that you contract with to receive benefits.

      superted

      May 16, 2018 at 7:53 pm

      • Yeah, but what about digital signers, the ones who use the electronic pad? They sign a new CC every time they sign on. They are not asked about what has been changed in the CC and neither are they given a copy of what they have signed!

        Rizla

        May 16, 2018 at 8:04 pm

      • There is no mandatory requirement for a claimant to sign electronically,
        although we would encourage them to do so. We do reassure anyone who is
        not sure of why we are now using the signing pads and what it means for
        them, but if they refuse, we do not insist. A claim would not be terminated or
        payment stopped if a claimant refused to sign electronically.
        https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/requirement_to_give_biometric_si

        if you do this then take id like a bank card ect or they wont sign you on without it, it also means they cant update the cc without a sig that matches 80% on the digi pad. they can buy pass it but it wont update the cc or not in my case anyway as i dont use the pad and take id 😉

        superted

        May 16, 2018 at 8:19 pm

      • https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/is_electronic_signing_using_the

        Electronic Signing is not mandatory under legislation

        superted

        May 16, 2018 at 8:22 pm

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    seachranaidhe1

    May 17, 2018 at 8:57 am

  12. Job Centre Plus – Benefirs Centre.

    whoknew

    May 17, 2018 at 10:57 am

  13. Don’t forget – find a job” isn’t a jobsite.

    whoknew

    May 17, 2018 at 11:06 am

  14. I was told by work coach today that unless employers renew a vacancy on Find a job, it will be automatically removed from the site after 30 days. If this is correct, then it should give a true measure of how many jobs there are out there because previously, unless the employer/agency took down the vacancy off UJ it remained there indefinitely.

    jj joop

    May 17, 2018 at 12:08 pm

    • did they not ask you to open a faj account then and change the cc to include checking that site or they just not bothering?

      superted

      May 17, 2018 at 12:18 pm

      • It was a group session. The work coach started by asking: Have you all registered your details on the new Find a job website, i.e. opened an account. No one really answered. I won’t be registering until I’ve been given a direction to do so. While I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect claimants to use the site, I don’t see how they can force you to set up or create an account.

        jj joop

        May 17, 2018 at 3:52 pm

      • FindAJob wasn’t mentioned when I saw my Work Coach last Monday.

        Ro

        May 23, 2018 at 9:26 am

  15. Social Bite homeless village launches in Edinburgh.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-44146641

    Violet

    May 17, 2018 at 12:09 pm

    • Good news for those who need it.

      whoknew

      May 17, 2018 at 12:19 pm

  16. It looks as if they are confusing – a bad sign of how amateur they are – conditions for job seekers and those for those advertising jobs.

    It impossible to get screenshots for many people using public terminals – and even if you can, how do you print them out? It costs enough to a print out in the first place, but for each separate job on a new page?

    Andrew Coates

    May 17, 2018 at 12:19 pm

    • They do like to make things confusing as iin the rules n regs of the welfare reform for the majority.

      whoknew

      May 17, 2018 at 12:34 pm

      • Pressing print screen in word is the best idea and save it to a usb stick it may be possible to print it off at the jobcentre.Its solid proof that someone has looked and applied.

        ken

        May 17, 2018 at 3:04 pm

      • they wont plug in a usb drive it to there system at the jcp they wont even let you charge a phone lol but you can take pics of the job apps on your phone and show them that as i have done in the past 😉

        superted

        May 17, 2018 at 3:08 pm

      • Printing doesn’t necessarily mean a physical printer. It can be to a pdf printer or some sort of other printer.

        Best thing to do would be to save your job applications to a floppy disk or cassette tape even and take that to the jobcentre.

        RAM

        May 17, 2018 at 3:14 pm

      • Printing doesn’t necessarily mean a physical printer. It can be to a pdf printer or some sort of ‘virtual’ printer.

        RAM

        May 17, 2018 at 3:15 pm

      • I was told Superted this new site was to do with Universal Credit.To be honest its been useless so far.

        You could be able to plug a USB stick into a public computer at the Jobcentre expect to chase the printoffs upstairs downstairs or god knows.Their using an ancient open office programme so it could be a struggle to open if at all.Last time A PDF file couldn’t be opened on those “systems”

        ken

        May 17, 2018 at 3:29 pm

      • who told you that ken ? ujm has gone or going because it does not comply with the new gdpr it has nothing to do with uc or anything else.

        https://mrfrankzola.wordpress.com/2018/04/20/official-universal-jobmatch-to-be-abolished-may-14th-2018-but/

        superted

        May 17, 2018 at 3:48 pm

      • abolished lol makes it sound like the death penalty or summat.

        Yorky Pud

        May 17, 2018 at 4:00 pm

    • If you’re on Universal Credit FindAJob is supposed to allow Work Coaches to:

      “… discuss your work search activity if you’re claiming Universal Credit or Jobseeker’s Allowance”

      Which is kind of mysterious if they can’t see what you’ve been up to!

      Percy S.

      May 17, 2018 at 3:52 pm

      • It means providing/giving roaches access to the logs. They want to nail claimants to this damned site. And sanction the shit out of them.

        Catwoman

        May 17, 2018 at 4:10 pm

      • You have to ask what the ‘Print this Page’ is doing on the log pages. Why would you want to do that? Not even ujm had that.

        Catwoman

        May 17, 2018 at 4:15 pm

      • See, roaches will be demanding print-outs of the log pages. It is their way round the gdpr. Joke shop was really pissed how they couldn’t get their own way with ujm. If it wasn’t for the law the joke shop wouldn’t open an account for you and give themselves access. Then they would sanction the shit out of you. This is the true face of joke centre negative. All this dpa/gdpr/cookies/whatever drives them nuts.

        Catwoman

        May 17, 2018 at 4:20 pm

      • If it wasn’t for the law the joke shop *would* open an account for you and give themselves access. At the end of the day like all the other joke centre nonsense this has sod all to do with ‘finding a job’. It is all about sanctioning the shit out of claimants, making their lives a misery and driving them off benefits by hook or by crook, and any which way they can.

        Catwoman

        May 17, 2018 at 4:22 pm

      • Just say no. You cannot be coerced into providing the Jobcentre with details of your jobsearch in any particular way. Do what I do: Write down what you’ve been up to, not necessarily all that accurately, and If you’re asked for jobsearch details offer a written record you’ve prepared yourself and deny them printouts from FindAJob. FindAJob is going to end up one of the least used job-boards out there, same as Universal Jobmatch was, not because of its snooping but because only the dregs will be advertising lousy minimum wage part-time vacancies on it.

        Percy S.

        May 17, 2018 at 4:37 pm

      • I found that the chrome browser extension ‘Universal Automation’ was great for using on Universal Jobmatch as i was able to do a weeks job search / application in 5 minutes, and i was never hassled by the roaches. I wonder if there will be a similar app for this Find a Job shite ?

        scratch

        May 17, 2018 at 5:44 pm

      • Back in the day we would just have a flick through the job ads in the Ipswich Star once week. No bloody universal codswallop, find a jobshit, smartphones, interweb…. ah, the wonders of modern technology sat at a bloody computer 25 hours a week clicking on some job site.

        Norfolk

        May 22, 2018 at 12:12 am

      • 35 hours that should be, as if 25 wasn’t bad enough. I’ll tell you what though, you are going to rue the day these bloody tech crap was invented. Bloody electronic ball and chain what it bloody is. More freedom back in the day.

        Norfolk

        May 22, 2018 at 12:15 am

  17. Find a job is currently unavailable. We are working to restore the service as soon as possible and apologise for any inconvenience caused.

    superted

    May 17, 2018 at 2:35 pm

    • You’ll be hard to find very much on there at all at the moment.All its done here is look into more sites’ elsewhere.

      ken

      May 17, 2018 at 2:56 pm

      • Where I live all but a few jobs advertised are in the public sector, basically the council and NHS. I doubt that many private firms even know that FindAJob exists at the moment. It’ll probably only really get going after Universal Jobmatch closes down. My bet is that FindAJob will end up scorned and abandoned just like Universal Credit before it.

        Percy S.

        May 17, 2018 at 4:05 pm

    • Its a brand new site which as yet is not fully up and running and will encounter bugs,flaws,etc aswell as needing to be taken offline when static program data is required (cant make an alteration while the program runs).

      Everybody has to wait before passing any real concrete judgement at least a month or 2 months.

      As for printouts being asked for it isnt always possible for one reason or another so do point this out when a coach suggests/orders this action and that a second alternative is agreed upon like writing it down.

      doug

      May 18, 2018 at 11:33 am

  18. “I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’” (Atlas Shrugged)

    Atlas Shrugged

    May 17, 2018 at 5:56 pm

    • Ayn Rand, author of Atlas Shrugged, hated social security and wanted it killed off entirely, leaving people to sink, swim or die without any chance of outside help or support from others. Oddly this didn’t stop her from milking the American welfare system for all it was worth despite having private means herself.

      https://knowledgenuts.com/2013/09/20/ayn-rand-was-a-secret-welfare-queen/

      She was an entirely horrible person who believed that the poor, sick and disabled should be left to die like flies if they couldn’t stand on their own two feet so to speak.

      John Galt (NOT!)

      May 18, 2018 at 8:29 am

      • “Other famous libertarians, like Andrew Coates, stuck by their guns to the bitter end, dying in poverty rather than take Social Security.” Hmm…

        Pinnochio

        May 18, 2018 at 9:50 am

      • Don’t shoot the messenger 😦

        Atlas

        May 19, 2018 at 9:15 am

      • @ Atlas

        You sound as if you’ve got the world on your shoulders.

        Xena

        May 19, 2018 at 11:41 am

  19. Hi if people on uc have an outstanding bill off council tax dose that get took off ur money I was in a situation whare I came off jsa and became a full time student not even 2 days had passed and I had Scott and Co at my door saying I was due them 2 and a half thousand pounds I said no that money was getting took off he said yes but when ur on any benifit it’s not all payed only a tiny amount like 4 pound a week well because of all this I left the college as I was getting harraced now I’m in depth with my bank because Scot and Co try to take money out my account if the money is not the not only do I get a bank charge but Scot and Co are adding 79 pound every time they try take a payment the bill is now at 3 thousand pound as they add on to the bill if they can’t get the money out my account so with having this debt will they try take that out my uc thank u for reading x

    Life on Universal Credit

    May 17, 2018 at 7:56 pm

    • well if you are saying that scott are taking money from ur bank account for council tax debt then you must have contracted with them buy either paying them or setting up a payment plan as they cant do a direct debit without ur permission and signed contract.

      under uc they can take some debts from ur benefits but only so much ,not sure how much the limit is but 4 quid a week seems about right i guess?

      you can cancel the dd to stop them taking any more money but they will be round with big barry to try to cease assets but as long as the car you use is nowhere to be seen or on finance they cant clamp it or remove it.

      bailiffs can only do peaceful entry so if the doors and windows are locked they cant force entry to the private home, and after a while they will give up and pass the debt back to the council and they will then prob sell the debt to another bailiff company to try again.

      atm there is no real solution to not pay council tax and only put it in dispute if you really know what you are doing so the best option is to sort it out direct with the council because if the bailiffs get no where payment or asset wise it will end up in court and no one has won at that.

      im no expert but david on the spl site should have some better solutions but you never contract with a debt collection company pcns ect because once you do they have joinder and a contract and impossible to get out of as you have agreed to there terms and conditions.

      superted

      May 17, 2018 at 9:41 pm

      • It was at the Jobcentre Superted there was comments about find a job and Universal Credit.

        Much of the same controversy appears hang over this new site as the last.

        Safety

        If you have concerns about a job posting select ‘Report a job’ on the job page. Describe what you’re concerned about in the comment box.

        If you have concerns about an employer use the contact us form and choose ‘I’m a Jobseeker and I have a complaint about an employer’. Tell us what you’re concerned about and include the job web address (URL) or job ID.

        Watch out for scams

        It’s a good idea to find out as much as you can about any company that offers you a job. This is especially important if you’re asked to tell them about personal information, or pay for checks (for example Disclosure and Barring Service checks) before you can take the job.

        https://findajob.dwp.gov.uk/help-and-advice.html

        Does anyone know if the CV is private or searchable by employers? there isn’t an option to disable this that appears to be available.

        ken

        May 18, 2018 at 3:14 pm

      • Surely the ppl who are owed money have to notify the debtor. .if you don’t contact us to resolve this we’ll call bailiffs? Just a comment. .I’m not sure of the law

        katrehman

        May 18, 2018 at 10:38 pm

    • Life on Universal Credit

      Its called an attachment of earnings order and the same thing would happen if you had a job. Basically quite a few welfare benefits are considered taxable income so like wages are subject to in this case CTO’s that are officially sent out and must be complied with by the employer,public department or bank by law. This means they cannot ignore it as by default they are tax collectors just like any person even if not working is a taxpayer by default.

      Sadly a business,public department and or bank can administer an administration fee for transacting such an order which is a pain with regards a bank as they can keep charging a fee for a payment date even when you have no money unlike an employer or UC who would only make a deduction prior to any payment being made to you.

      It would be impracticable for me to discuss your options as that would require a script of some length so i suggest you go see citizens advice who will lay them out for you.

      doug

      May 18, 2018 at 12:06 pm

      • Life on Universal Credit

        As its unclear from your post, you need to outline what it is your bank has told you about this extraction as it may well not work in the same fashion as what i have already prescribed. Basically if not claiming benefit,not in employment, no assets for bailiffs to seize, it may well be that through a court order that your council is seeking to recover a full amount from your bank assuming you have struck no deals prior with either party.

        Its also worth mentioning is it the council and or court bailiffs seeking these monies or is it a third party as again this can change what type this recovery actually is.
        Like i said rather than speak about it online, do go see citizens advice.

        doug

        May 18, 2018 at 12:24 pm

  20. Andrew Coates

    May 18, 2018 at 12:17 pm

    • She/they never stop lying do they, the Tories are full of it.

      whoknew

      May 20, 2018 at 11:16 am

  21. The ongoing terrorization of the disabled by tory assassins the DWP.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-44157953

    Violet

    May 18, 2018 at 1:27 pm

    • What is going on with the welfare system? sanctioning as many people as possible, stopping as many peoples benefits as possible, hoping that as many people as possible commit suicide.

      whoknew

      May 20, 2018 at 11:20 am

  22. DWP IT engineering is ‘dysfunctional’ and lacks ‘ability to deliver’, claims report

    Internal report produced for DWP CTO details challenges faced by department in moving to more agile ways of working

    The document, seen by Computer Weekly, described a “seeming paralysis in DWP’s evolution into an organisation with a strong engineering capability”

    https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252441301/DWP-IT-engineering-is-dysfunctional-and-lacks-ability-to-deliver-claims-report

    ken

    May 18, 2018 at 3:06 pm

    • You can’t make water flow uphill and pretending that “agile” computing, which is only a software development methodology and doesn’t make anything difficult or impossible suddenly easy and possible, is the solution to building systems to run Universal Credit and other projects is just as ridiculous and just as big a lie. I remember clueless idiots IDS and David Freud banging on about “agile computing” as if was the magical spell that would render Universal Credit’s overarching distributed computer systems cheap and cheerful.

      Fools rush in where angels fear to tread.

      Al Gorithm

      May 18, 2018 at 5:17 pm

      • And arseholes rush in where fools fear to tread.

        Ro

        May 19, 2018 at 11:39 am

  23. An archive of the fantastic blog, The Void, by anarchist unemployed activist Johnny Void.

    This PDF compilation includes all posts made between its foundation in 2005 and 14 February 2017.

    https://libcom.org/files/the-void.pdf ..

    Natalie REED (Staff Nurse)

    May 18, 2018 at 4:57 pm

  24. Check out the total horseshit agents of the DWP (pretending to be benefit claimants) are posting on forums (pretending to be for benefit claimants). And anyone who challenges these DWP agents are banned immediately. Tells it all. Utterly shocking!

    DWP Agent said:

    This is all beginning to worry me.

    We all have less than a month to make a decision about what is best to be done regarding FAJ.

    To register with the site is probably a requirement by law, so we will have to do that. There is some debate about whether we are required to allow jobcentre staff access or not. I suspect that this will be a requirement, given that the site time-stamps your applications and activity, and the DWP wouldn’t want to let us off that particular hook too readily. I admire the optimism of many who will disagree with me about this.

    Should we decide to not allow access, using as our rationale that the DWP (according to some opinions of the FOI reply mentioned here recently) and some jobcentre staff have said we don’t need to do so, we will be asked why we don’t want to allow access. Most people will mention reasons to do with privacy, potential cookie and spamming threats etc. A few might give reasons that are more serious, such as that the time-stamping aspect of the site opens people up to accusations of non-compliance, which in turn allows for people to be more easily sanctioned.

    Whichever way you look at it, to deny access will mean that you will have tell them why, and it will have to be convincing, and not make you look like you just want to avoid using FAJ because the way it is set up is designed to increase the chances that you will fail various “hidden” compliance “tests”.

    I had thought that the best approach might be to simply play along with the DWP, allow access to FAJ, and simply spend 30 minutes a day applying for jobs you know you will never get, while also applying for jobs at the other jobsites you already are registered with. This way you will be doing what you normally do anyway, but just adding 30 minutes of FAJ game playing to satisfy the DWP.

    But I then thought that doing that, which in theory sounds feasible, would in practice not avoid the fact that you would still be being time-stamped, and it is the time-stamping that is the real threat here, as it will be used to get you to fail in complying.

    I’m totally lost for a solution.

    DWP Agent said:

    True, but if you show any resistance to give them access, then they might find ways to get back at you. There are probably many ways they could do that. They, no doubt, would target you for special attention, and flag you up to other jobcentre staff that you were a “trouble-maker” etc. They would also be more stringent with you about the “quality” and “sufficiency” of the records you show them of your job applications—this is once UJM is no longer in use, and you have to prove your job applications by showing them printouts etc.

    In other words, they will make your experience of your appointments with them very unpleasant, and no doubt try to get you sanctioned—maybe by changing your appointment at the last minute and sending a text for a new appointment to a wrong phone number, so that you won’t see it, and not turn up for the new appointment. I’m sure this was what happened to me a couple of years ago, but I couldn’t prove it.

    And appealing against a decision to sanction you is not as easy as some people make out, and despite the reported successes of these appeals in cases involving people with disabilities, it does not necessarily follow that such will be the case for you and I, should it happen to us.

    The re-modelling of the benefits system since 2010, has jettisoned with it any pretence to fairness and justice.

    —-

    DWP Agent said

    What will you say to your work coach when you deny access to FAJ?

    It would be interesting to hear what individual people here will say. I haven’t a clue what I will say. I need to say something that is credible and not antagonistic. I have to think of a reason that is convincing and doesn’t make me look as if I don’t want to give them access because I’m lazy and haven’t bothered to apply for any jobs there. This is what they will think about probably the majority of people who refuse them access. I want to avoid giving them that that impression. :ohmy:

    At the same time, I also want to avoid “lame” reasons such as allowing access will threaten my privacy and could cause spamming and virus attacks etc. I don’t think anyone would fall for that one these days—least of all jobcentre staff. 😆

    No, it has to be a convincing and reasonable reason, and one devoid of any tone of anger or “working class hero” rebelliousness—which will just aggravate the DWP (who, unfortunately, we depend on for our financial existence). :woohoo:

    Can I request that all suggestions and ideas be serious ones? I am aware of the comic potential of such a request. :whistle:

    —-

    Even going so far as to try and dissuade JSA claimants from appealing benefit sanctions.

    To the knobhead(s) posting this shit you are being called out as a Agent of the DWP!

    Benefit Bolshie

    May 18, 2018 at 11:28 pm

    • It is a legal right to deny access to your data online, so here’s what I said to the DWP in reference to denying them access to my Universal Jobmatch account: “I’m not willing to be tracked online by the DWP or anybody else.”

      That’s that! That’s all you need to do. Denying them access to your data is a right not a privilege.

      You don’t have to convince them, or persuade them, or plead with them, or find an excuse to deny them access to your data. It’s your choice what data you share from Find-a-Job with the DWP and how you choose to share it. Based on the very real fact that the DWP is possibly the most malicious and dishonest department of government the less you cooperate with them the safer you are.

      Percy S.

      May 19, 2018 at 8:21 am

      • Never forget: Leopards don’t change their spots. The DWP are pure fucking evil – they are out to get you.

        The Paranoid Androids

        May 19, 2018 at 8:30 am

      • It May Come Soon. People Can Change Their Signature, Thumb Print Recognition Next. But Then They Cant Change The CC Without You Being there

        Binary Boffin

        May 19, 2018 at 8:41 am

    • This osiris (DWP agent) is spreading FUD (Fear Uncertainty and Doubt). Total piece of shit. In true DWP-speak accused a ‘member’ of being “aggressive” lol, then went complaining to that dickhead who calls himself a ‘mod’ lol And the ‘mod’ sides with the bad guy/girl. How to sabotage a forum 101 lol What a bunch of knobheads pmsl

      Pauline - UB40

      May 19, 2018 at 9:07 am

      • If you refused access to your Universal Credit account sometimes the Jobcentres would make you call to sign on a daily basis to try to break your resolve. Usually they couldn’t keep this up for long due to pressure of work but, to be honest, I would rather visit the Jobcentre every weekday just to piss them off than give in and surrender my privacy online in anyway to any wing of government.

        Ro

        May 19, 2018 at 11:37 am

  25. I don’t know about the rest of you but hardly any of my job applications ever got made via Universal Jobmatch and, I expect, Find-a-Job will turn out to be equally useless with most job applications ending up being made on other much better sites. What’s the point of printing out application histories from Find-a-Job if applications made by job-seekers using the site are few and far between? The DWP seems to think that people will be doing most of their job-seeking on DWP owned job boards which are usually pants. Universal Jobmatch ended up shunned by decent employers and employed/unemployed job-seekers alike, mostly because a majority of the jobs listed weren’t worth having. I would put money on Find-a-Job going the same way.

    Ro

    May 19, 2018 at 11:32 am

  26. I registered with find a job and noticed that it records what searches I do. Although I looked on it everyday I only logged in when I found a job to apply for. Obviously my searches on those occasions won’t be logged but it’s a fair reason. I was told by my work coach that I will have to go back to filling in the booklet recording my job efforts and providing printouts. As every printout at the library is 25p I would have to use the job centre for them and they only have one computer linked to the printer.
    Slightly off topic, recently on my fortnightly appointments my coach has told me that when I next attend for my fortnightly appointment I should ask at reception to see who my appointment is with and she has put a made up name on my booklet next to my attendance time. It always appears to get a laugh from the member of staff who sees it before he tells me who I have to see. Why don’t they just leave the space for the name blank on the booklet or simply put ask at reception?

    Rob

    May 19, 2018 at 11:49 am

    • Rob

      You really ought to read the postings on this website more closely. Check out Annex 3 of this link that superted posted earlier. If you’re on JSA you can provide evidence of job search by whatever means you choose. You don’t have to print off evidence at 25p a sheet.

      https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/adzunas_find_a_job_technology_jo#incoming-1158772

      And if you’re on UC then the work coach cannot compel you to provide this evidence in a particular way, only that it must be supplied if and when requested. Check out this link.

      https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/using_the_journal#comment-81230

      jj joop

      May 19, 2018 at 2:17 pm

      • This is a definitive statement of the status quo.

        YOU ARE NOT OBLIGED TO SHOW ANYBODY PRINTOUTS FROM FIND A JOB!

        Unless you’re very silly that is.

        Never give the DWP anything that could be twisted and used against you.

        David

        May 20, 2018 at 10:46 am

  27. Council rent arrears soars for Dundee tenants on Universal Credit

    Social rent arrears run up by Dundee council tenants on Universal Credit have doubled since the start of the year, new figures show.

    Figures from the city council show that 1,142 UC claimants owe £712,900 to the authority in rent, up from £335,000 at the start of January.

    https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/council-rent-arrears-soar-dundee-tenants-on-universal-credit/

    ken

    May 19, 2018 at 12:42 pm

  28. To keep your faj account secure passwords should be at least 64 characters in length and include a mix of upper and lower case characters, numbers and special symbols 😉

    z\Ba&T%oR:hm)D[MGxL3lA@$|;~]a6%,X-hu’3dvR;cS0Ofks}B_2oKwO8qU|’\,

    Fuck faj

    May 19, 2018 at 5:35 pm

  29. Free online faj password generator

    ‘`H?TrL#WU~fQ”{^2QO:_Me#zAklKw[a,prjrU;JnZ1)pc8TIIxhmH)3[Z>T!$`|oK^1b\hD@”[#jcgyFzk|XH,M#1feGd_UYH/_InfB(h&`3kEJ07_rkO=/qLQ1FMPa,EE<7.n4Y<{%I(jgz!{-eGxi*uFb.(QA8BxQL\|g@WVXQ||TeDXmn#}<+Btedz2,.)W#..tJrkH5!slj[AkB.kjF+V\nVR1CHpE’PJ]mN`EWk”blqz;BJQM9`a%D;HAOFW#+?_2#QRm<!;/[sRQ!#2=VTMxM!f8(h+|&H6$(#&Fu&)U]HqzK%&O|60LWLnhvekL{Iz9JyT9bGdT}^J[(]x'nev"e2qD<2b%VNW`H^3k";]*yXG/0Ak"=EE]*XT7jDEi0TAHA~FAye,+{9qa&VtD*-r!cFIJc?dftE_WH]"&wN#k`bu~F(3F:+OJN%Up"9?i<UZxn1*n){[q*(2L22Q?/#~-|*c!sC+_JC~hC9Kf5V~Gm}bR\hfvHc&\mq&$Y|V|6NfMa(Q)%n~x\\NnCcg!yR64J,6jW{J=62x(13@aT8aLY%pGIPlf{;TlU4p:/:W[Kfd<9jdxdja\irvwqFyN\;7\<Lqiw’rmMygL:X’)kZ\;5ot8fDD\VxhJ=”tDr”~”n%WR}_9=V|Q%@

    Fuck faj

    May 19, 2018 at 5:39 pm

  30. To register with the site is probably a requirement by law,

    DSC_0693_01

    and we all know how that went down, like the titanic in 9 mins 🙂 the dwp has no power over you to share data with 3rd party’s or private providers for profit.

    no joinder no contract no funding it is as simple as that and that is the law 😉

    superted

    May 19, 2018 at 7:11 pm

  31. “Since Universal Jobmatch went live how many Jobmatch related benefit sanctions
    have been applied to date?

    We can confirm that we hold some information falling within the description specified in your
    request. However, we estimate that the cost of complying with your request would exceed the
    appropriate limit for central Government, set by regulations at £600.

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/479331/response/1160155/attach/html/3/FOI%202018%202042%20Response.pdf.html

    superted

    May 19, 2018 at 7:53 pm

  32. This faj bollocks is going to be added to Claimant Committent. Then the roaches are going to want the print outs. As always with the joke centre in order to make sure that they are NO EXCUSES joke centres will set up a terminal or two for this specific purpose.

    Unlike UJM FAJ accounts do not include any personally identifiable data such as your name, NI number. And neither do the printouts of activity include any personal details, not even the email address of the account 😉 So another GDPR ‘workaround’ by the joke centre in the offing?

    ICO

    May 20, 2018 at 10:00 am

    • Nope. You are at liberty to refuse to supply ANYTHING from FindAJob directly. All you can be made to do is to supply a list of things you have done to secure work, jobs you have applied, and how long you spend per week looking for work for if and when asked. Make sure you tell interested parties that you spent 35 houirs every week “actively seeking work” even though that isn’t possible. That’s that!

      David

      May 20, 2018 at 10:49 am

  33. Is it true benefit bolshie you’ve been banned because of someone spreading fear and anxiety. This dwp agent has now registered with respectful benefits forums and is spreading more fear about how we should give our passwords to work coach.

    I found your advise to be invaluable and a great help regarding w +h program. Many thanks bb drom Catwoman.

    Catwoman

    May 20, 2018 at 12:34 pm

  34. Seen On The Pavement In The Silent Street Duke Street And Fore Street Areas Of Ipswich 1p 2p and 5p coins. About 25p In Total. Given What’s In The Areas Mentioned. Don’t Be Tempted To Even Try And Pick Them Up.

    Royal Mint

    May 21, 2018 at 9:17 am

  35. Government drops scheme to stop people being wrongly stripped of their benefits because it is a ‘burden’

    A “yellow card” scheme to cut the number of people pushed into poverty after being wrongly stripped of their benefits has been dumped.

    The reform – giving claimants 14 days to challenge a decision to dock their benefits – would impose too much of a “burden”, the department for work and pensions (DWP) said, after a trial.

    Campaigners have long pushed for the change, warning that benefits are being removed for trivial reasons, forcing hungry people to go to food banks and even making them homeless.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/government-benefits-scheme-scrapped-yellow-card-claimants-poverty-department-work-pensions-a8361311.html

    whoknew

    May 21, 2018 at 11:28 am

  36. In other news, control the internet.

    New laws to tackle ‘wild west’ internet will make UK ‘safest place in the world’ to be online, Matt Hancock claims

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/internet-laws-social-media-child-safety-terrorism-facebook-twitter-matt-hancock-a8360081.html

    whoknew

    May 21, 2018 at 11:36 am

    • We’ve heard this all before and it’s all boiled away to very little. Probably this will only end up with some kind of age verification being required to open up social media accounts and whatnot. The internet is not centralised and easy to police or control. Nobody who really understood the technology would be making boasts about policing it like Matt Hancock; even in buttoned-up countries like Iran and China there are ways around its firewalls.

      Ro

      May 21, 2018 at 5:15 pm

      • My ISP (IRAN!) has blocked all anonymous encrypted traffic!

        Rhani

        May 21, 2018 at 5:36 pm

      • Surely it is parents or those in locus parentis responsibility to ‘police’ what their children are doing online? Children do not have the means to purchase internet access or internet access devices. Why should adults have to ID themselves to access websites because of irresponsible parents? And anyway, we all know it is sod all to do with ‘protecting the children’ but a pretext for more Big Brother monitoring, surveillance and control. The Government wants us all signed to Iran Telecom.

        Offred the Handmaid

        May 21, 2018 at 5:48 pm

      • @ Rani

        Download the free Opera browser and use its Virtual Private Network (Proxy) or use the free TOR browser and Bob’s your uncle.

        Ro

        May 22, 2018 at 12:06 pm

      • Ro, you underestimate Tor’s adversary in this case – the Iranian State. Tor has been blocked completely in Iran; not even the bridges or obfuscated transport layers work. Opera’s VPN is trivial to block. Same for VPNs.

        Iranian Dissident

        May 22, 2018 at 5:44 pm

      • @ Rani

        I think you’re wrong but if you’re not you can always pay to get internet access from Iran, by means of a Virtual Private Network. The article below will tell you simple this is.

        https://www.rucksackramblings.com/access-internet-in-iran-with-vpn/

        Ro

        May 23, 2018 at 2:09 pm

  37. 27. Unfortunately the respondent has not provided the guidance in relation to the non registration
    on universal job match or the policy which is adopted in those limited circumstances. I can
    however glean one important matter from the wording adopted by the DWP in the letter; there is
    no set criteria and no exhaustive criteria for allowing a claimant not to register. lf there were
    exhaustive criteria then no doubt the Secretary of State would have brought these to my
    attention and relied upon them, or at least relied upon the appellant not being within the
    exhaustive criteria.
    28. The appellant indicated she was willing to use the job search computer to identify vacancies
    and thereafter apply for said vacancies direct to the company or through other means. She
    indicated that she had no difficulty with any other part of the claimant commitment. Her only
    difficulty was registration.
    29. Has the respondent satisfied the ‘necessary’ test? The sole purpose of the claimant
    commitment and the requirements made by the Secretary of State in the claimant commitment
    are to assist a claimant to achieve employment. That, in my view, must be the global mission
    statement. lf the claimant can however seek employment to a comparable level as the claimant
    commitment elsewhere and one can use the system to search for employment without
    registering then that naturally begs the question as to whether the requirement is necessary. Or
    put another way, is the interference with the appellant’s Article 8 rights necessary.
    30. I am compelled to find that the interference is not necessary and accordingly the requirement for
    the appellant to register and be subjected to having her communications and actions monitored
    is not necessary. I would be compelled to the contrary conclusion if one cold not perform job
    searches or seek employment on the computer without registering but that is not the case here.
    31. The interference with the appellant’s private life cannot in my view be justified as necessary for
    the economic well being of the country for the following reasons; one can seek and search for
    ’employment without registering, the respondent has nol provided any data or quantitative
    evidence to show that the likelihood or obtaining employment is increased with registration as
    opposed to locating jobs and applying externally to the system nor has the respondent provided
    any information as to the purpose behind the monitoring and who would perform the same.
    32. lt must naturally follow therefore that the appeal is allowed. The appellant has not unreasonably
    refused to comply with the claimant commitment as I find that the requirement for her to register
    on the Universal job match system, as opposed to merely using it to locate jobs, breaches her
    Article B rights and is not a necessary intrusion into her private life.

    FAJ

    May 21, 2018 at 11:42 am

  38. Genetic testing for all.

    Theresa May unveils plan to diagnose thousands of cancer sufferers before they even show symptoms

    also announce a target to ensure that five more years of people’s lives will be healthy, independent and active by 2035. she says

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tens-thousands-cancer-sufferers-would-12567960

    whoknew

    May 21, 2018 at 11:42 am

    • Welcome to womens world we have been bullied and coerced and threatened into having the useless cervical scraping test for years as doctors get incentive payments….

      katrehman

      May 22, 2018 at 11:17 am

      • Every time you come here you go on about cervical scraping, are you suffering from weird type of obsession?

        Violet

        May 22, 2018 at 2:50 pm

      • How many times have you gone on about that now, they are SMEAR TESTS!

        Foxglove

        May 22, 2018 at 4:44 pm

      • Hear, hear, kat! As a survivor of cervical SCRAPING I can say that there would be riots in the streets if men were being forced to have prostrate exams.

        Cervical SCRAPING Victim

        May 23, 2018 at 7:45 pm

  39. 27. Unfortunately the respondent has not provided the guidance in relation to the non registration on universal job match or the policy which is adopted in those limited circumstances. I can however glean one important matter from the wording adopted by the DWP in the letter; there is no set criteria and no exhaustive criteria for allowing a claimant not to register. lf there were exhaustive criteria then no doubt the Secretary of State would have brought these to my attention and relied upon them, or at least relied upon the appellant not being within the exhaustive criteria.

    28. The appellant indicated she was willing to use the job search computer to identify vacancies and thereafter apply for said vacancies direct to the company or through other means. She indicated that she had no difficulty with any other part of the claimant commitment. Her only difficulty was registration.

    29. Has the respondent satisfied the ‘necessary’ test? The sole purpose of the claimant commitment and the requirements made by the Secretary of State in the claimant commitment are to assist a claimant to achieve employment. That, in my view, must be the global mission statement. If the claimant can however seek employment to a comparable level as the claimant commitment elsewhere and one can use the system to search for employment without registering then that naturally begs the question as to whether the requirement is necessary. Or put another way, is the interference with the appellant’s Article 8 rights necessary.

    30. I am compelled to find that the interference is not necessary and accordingly the requirement for the appellant to register and be subjected to having her communications and actions monitored is not necessary. I would be compelled to the contrary conclusion if one cold not perform job searches or seek employment on the computer without registering but that is not the case here.

    31. The interference with the appellant’s private life cannot in my view be justified as necessary for the economic well being of the country for the following reasons; one can seek and search for ’employment without registering, the respondent has not provided any data or quantitative evidence to show that the likelihood or obtaining employment is increased with registration as opposed to locating jobs and applying externally to the system nor has the respondent provided any information as to the purpose behind the monitoring and who would perform the same.

    32. lt must naturally follow therefore that the appeal is allowed. The appellant has not unreasonably
    refused to comply with the claimant commitment as I flnd that the requirement for her to register on the Universal job match system, as opposed to merely using it to locate jobs, breaches her Article B rights and is not a necessary intrusion into her private life. ..

    FAJ

    May 21, 2018 at 11:46 am

  40. funny that they dont put the work programme on your cc or the new hawp that you must attend for 2 years because a sanction for not doing so would be unlawful as there private corporations for profit.

    when they give you those letters to attend a provider and states its mandatory it is only for that day that you must attend and then it is your choice to enter in to a contract with them so that they can process ur data and gain esf funding ect.

    same with a job seeker direction it is only for that day you must show you have a cv or opened a ujm account but as above you can refuse and win because as long as you can provide proof of jobs applied for there is not much they can do about it other than lie and try to manipulate you in to believing there bs rules.

    if every one refuses to sign the wahp esf 1420 form for funding they will all go bust in 3 months and given the gdpr give us even more power over our data there pretty much screwed.

    superted

    May 21, 2018 at 5:04 pm

    • ‘Money left for 2 weeks = £10.50’: Universal credit diary goes viral

      A SCOTTISH blogger’s daily diary of life on universal credit has gone viral after he highlighted the personal impact of the UK Government’s flagship welfare reforms which have left him in the cold as he budgets, inspiring an online campaign to increase foodbank donations.

      https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/12786/money-left-2-weeks-1050-universal-credit-diary-goes-viral

      Applied for the first Find A Job Site job today.

      ken

      May 21, 2018 at 7:32 pm

      • TV licence £12
        Broadband £15
        Baby milk £9.50
        Fuel £15
        Electric & Gas £30

        Some of these figure seem outrageous and others don’t add up.

        TV Licence – why even pay that? – is £146.50 a year = £5.63 a fortnight.
        Broadband £15 – Anyone on benefit qualifies for BT Basic + Internet (15GB) @ £29.85 a quarter = £4.59
        a fortnight.

        Fuel? Petrol/diesel?
        Surely not on top of gas/electric @ £15 a week. Is the Scottish Highlands really that cold when the rest of
        the UK is basking in sweltering temperatures.

        Baby milk? No doubt baby drinks a lot.

        Just a load on nonsense.

        Money Saving Expert

        May 21, 2018 at 10:21 pm

      • i dont know where you come from but in the uk you have to have a tv licence if you have any equipment capable of getting live tv programmes. that includes mobiole phone, computer …. its against the law to not have one and hefty fines if your found you dont haver one. anyone who has to interact with the DWP has to have a computer and phone. landlines not a good idea as you need to be able tyo take calls from dwp when they decide to phone you. which you cant do if no mobile phone. therefore they HAVE to have a tv licence or risk a massive fine.
        broadband….ive not heard of the scheme you mention so i looked it uip. this is cheapest BT one i can find…….£24 .99 a month…18 months Includes BT line rental Price after 18 months £42.99 £19 .99 upfront i…………………….. people on limited budgets are probably sticking to what they had before losing their job or becoming ill. etc… they cant find £20 up front and look at what happens after 18months, £42.99 a month.ill be ringing BT up tomorrow to find out iof they have such a scheme because believe me i know people who would jump at the scheme youve outlined.
        Baby milk £9.50…thats for a week (and you cant reduce a baby’s feed fgs).. look on http://www.netmums.com/coffeehouse/baby-794/babies-birth-12-months-58/1160710-how-much-does-your-baby-cost-per-week.html you will find a lot pay almost double that.£15-18…
        Fuel £15… is NOT on top of gas & electricity… its petrol or deisel for a car possibly to get him to job centre/interviews/ or if hes disabled simply get him/her from A TO B.
        Electric & Gas £30….£15 for each of those. per week. is average. I pay 13 quid a week for gas in my one bedroom bungalow. and 6 a week for electric but i should be paying around 12 -13 quid because i know what im paying will not cover it at all now its gone up again.
        and if someone inthe family suffers from fibromyalgia ,part of the condition means they feel cold a lot of the time so they will use more heating. electric should be the same winter and summer alike but sometimes a conditiomn may flare up which means you need to take more baths. i have 2 people in my family who have such conditions
        you dont know their situation so dont be so quick to judge. i dont find those prices out of the ordinary quite frankly.. my outgoings have gione up by a third in the last year yet im eating less.as no doubt many others are too.

        hugosmum70

        May 21, 2018 at 11:03 pm

      • “Sat in dark with heating off to budget.” Really? Who has got their heating turned on at this time of year and especially during a heatwave? What is he? A bearded dragon?

        Money Saving Expert

        May 21, 2018 at 10:30 pm

      • “Sat in dark with heating off to budget.” Really? Who has got their heating turned on at this time of year and especially during a heatwave? What is he? A bearded dragon??

        Money Saving Expert

        May 21, 2018 at 10:31 pm

      • they cant take a reference number to court 😉

        free tv movie site.
        https://streamdreams.org/

        superted

        May 21, 2018 at 11:28 pm

      • hugosmum70, this is the link. It says 12GB, but this is out of date, it is currently 15GB, ample enough for FAJ. It is not advertised. BT don’t want you to know about it.

        https://btplc.com/inclusion/ProductsAndServices/BTBasic/BTBasicBroadband/index.htm

        Busby

        May 22, 2018 at 12:29 am

      • “12GB (now 15GB) usage, which typically means you can:

        browse the internet for up to half an hour a day”

        You can browse the internet for a lot longer than half an hour on 500MB. You browse all day on that. You would probably have to download stuff to use it up.

        Busby

        May 22, 2018 at 12:36 am

      • lol If you ring BT they will pretend the scheme doesn’t exist and try to sell you fibre, BT sports, ‘unlimited’, BT TV and whatnot. You will need to be persistent. Probably a number somewhere to get through direct. But be warned it you phone BT about this.

        The Skints

        May 22, 2018 at 12:43 am

  41. PCS at TUC Disabled Workers’ Conference

    PCS will focus on cuts to access to work and Universal Credit at the TUC Disabled Workers’ Conference which takes place on Thursday (24) and Friday (25).

    https://www.pcs.org.uk/news/pcs-at-tuc-disabled-workers%E2%80%99-conference

    ken

    May 21, 2018 at 7:36 pm

  42. Hundreds of homeless people fined and imprisoned for begging and rough sleeping

    The number of people sleeping rough in England is at a record-high following a 73 per cent increase over the last three years

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/homeless-people-fined-imprisoned-pspo-sleeping-rough-a8360766.html

    ken

    May 21, 2018 at 7:45 pm

  43. DSC_0689

    that claimant commitment bottom left is from 2008 note the 30hrs per week of job search and i will consider back to work schemes/ 3rd party providers.

    the only thing they can raise a ase doubt for is not providing a cv as you need one to even apply for jobs these days but they cant keep a paper copy, proof one exists is enough. and proof you are applying for work in any format you like as long as you can back this up it can be done by word of mouth same as a telephone interview.

    since the new gdpr has been put in place i have had about 150 emails begging me to let them keep my details and all have been told no.

    so if a dwp agent does try to sanction you for not signing provider paper work ect under the new gdpr regs they wont have a chance at all at tribunal as no 1 it is a contract and 2 you now have full control how your data is processed.

    under the gdpr you can ring a company and then they say this call is being recorded for training purposes you can now state you want this info deleted and nothing they can do about it after Friday 25th.

    i cant see how providers are now going to be able to function under the gdpr as there paperwork/contracts are now not compatible after the 25th and dwp saying it is mandatory on there paperwork means nothing under legislation and law.

    no 3rd party can process your data unless you give them permission via signed contract and in any case you can remove the right to process this data at any time so read it b4 you sign anything out side the dwp office.

    superted

    May 21, 2018 at 10:38 pm

    • CVs are for poofters, mate. There is no such thing as a ponsy CV in the building trade. Bring one of them on site and the lads would think you were a faggot. All jobs are by word of mouth.

      Labourer

      May 21, 2018 at 11:59 pm

    • CVs are for poofters, mate. There is no such thing as a ponsy CV in the building trade. Bring one of them on site and the lads would think you were a faggot. All jobs are by word of mouth.

      (Surplus) Labourer

      May 22, 2018 at 12:00 am

      • Labourer

        CSCS is for poofters to but i bet you’ve got one. Who knew the construction trade was full of village people.

        Yes, HSE has no rule whats so ever that a person needs to require and hold CSCS yet government introduced a rule along with partnering with insurance companies allowing site operation (main contractor) to be able to legally ask for one and refuse entry to anyone who does not comply.

        So the building industry has already bent over. Ontop of this all jobs are word of mouth is bull as you can find a ton of them on jobsites asking for CVs prior to appointment. What your referring to with word of mouth is being around long enough to know the game so know who to cosy upto for the next big contracts in the pipeline assuming you don’t get black balled which yes still goes on.

        Your trying to make it sound like the good old days but what with first day induction/checks, finger print/card entry, constant H&S monitoring to name but a tiny few of the stupid changes it is most certainly not. H&S has im afraid already ages ago made construction one of the biggest (your quote, poofter) trades around.

        Oh, now for the important part.
        There are many gay people who work in the construction industry, nobody cares as its about pulling your wait, working as a team and getting the job done so if a person with a CV should show up, it wont be the CV that matters.

        doug

        May 22, 2018 at 9:58 am

  44. they also need to increase how often they can get food parcels from food banks plus for how long they can get food for. once every 3 weeks to collect a food parcel that is supposed to last them 3 days.what are they supposed to do for the remaining 18days? lie down and die? cos they risk prison or fines if they beg………. FINES… now there’s a laugh.. no money to live on yet they give the poor devils fines for trying to survive. WHEN ITS THIS GOVT THAT’S PUT THEM THERE.

    hugosmum70

    May 21, 2018 at 11:11 pm

    • OH AND FOR THOSE WHO DONT KNOW………. BABY MILK IS A FOOD WITHOUT WHICH BABIES WOULD DIE. MOTHERS IN THE ANIMAL KINGDOM PRODUCE MILK TO FEED THEIR BABIES ON.. SO DO HUMAN MOTHERS BUT UNFORTUNATELY SOME MOTHERS CANT FEED THEM THEMSELVES (CANT BREASTFEED) SO HAVE TO USE FORMULA BABY MILK. AND THAT COSTS. …..£9.50 A FORTNIGHT ISNT BAD ANYWAY… £4.75 A WEEK TO FEED A CHILD? THATS DAMN GOOD.

      hugosmum70

      May 21, 2018 at 11:30 pm

  45. 35 Hours, spending a week reading processing policies & contracts.

    Did you know a person could spend all week just reading processing policies without even getting a chance to to actually apply ?

    Did you know a person can spend an entire week stuck in a myriad of legal work/research just to fully understand and be informed enough to decide what and whether a mutually beneficial contract of employment is ?

    These although DWP never informs a claimant are two things any and every person should do prior to signing on the dotted line. Its also the same thing whether we are talking joining facebook for pleasure, getting sky or domestic energy.

    Now 35 hours is still 35 hours no matter what you do so the question falls can DWP actually control what you do, answer, not really. Sure they can write out some long and boring patter the likes which superted posted a while back but it would be impossible to enforce if a person has to look into every job they applied for which they should as its not like DWP don’t revert to quoting such things when a person is sanctioned.

    What you sign/grant lawful consent to is important as removing the data (withdrawing consent) is most certainly not necessarily removed in entirety and can be retained upto 6 years. All removing consent does is remove a second parties ability to process it further outside of required functions of law.

    doug

    May 22, 2018 at 10:32 am

    • DSC_0063

      superted

      May 22, 2018 at 12:44 pm

    • AND THAT’S OK IF YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THE JARGON AND ACTUALLY READ THE SMALL PRINT. I’M NOT ILLITERATE BUT FIND I SIMPLY CANNOT UNDERSTAND MOST OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO READ BEFORE SIGNING THEM. AND I BET I’M NOT ON MY OWN.(SORRY BOUT THE CAPS. MY EYESIGHT ISNT TOO GOOD SO DIDNT REALISE CAPS LOCK WAS ON TILL I LOOKED UP FROM KEYBOARD

      hugosmum70

      May 22, 2018 at 9:56 pm

  46. Welfare conditionality is ineffective, authors of major study say

    Welfare conditionality within the social security system is largely ineffective and in some cases pushes people into poverty and crime, a major study led by the University of York has found.

    https://www.york.ac.uk/news-and-events/news/2018/research/welfare-conditionality-is-ineffective/

    ken

    May 22, 2018 at 10:41 am

  47. Benefit sanctions found to be ineffective and damaging

    Study concludes that punishing claimants triggers profoundly negative outcomes

    Benefit sanctions are ineffective at getting jobless people into work and are more likely to reduce those affected to poverty, ill-health or even survival crime, the UK’s most extensive study of welfare conditionality has found.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/may/22/benefit-sanctions-found-to-be-ineffective-and-damaging

    ken

    May 22, 2018 at 10:49 am

    • Does anybody really believe that the modern Conservative party, which obviously hates and despises benefit claimants, even those in part-time work, would ever in a million years reforms the sanctions system to be less cruel? Like Baron Münchhausen the Tories believe that people can pull themselves up by their bootstraps and that if you make life more and more tortured for benefit claimants, by means of cut, caps, freezes, punishments and sanctions, those people will shift themselves, get full-time jobs, and become self-sufficient.

      If the Tories won’t even implement a “red card” system, where people are given warnings before sanctions are imposed, they certainly won’t water the injustice, pain and misery that has been inflicted upon the poor and vulnerable and will continue to be inflicted on the poor and the vulnerable until they are removed from power.

      Ro

      May 22, 2018 at 11:24 am

  48. Young Britons are forced to survive on under £3 a day due to miserly benefit rates, warns government adviser

    Not just the young.

    Exclusive: ‘What is going to happen to them. Will they end up going to foodbanks, or falling into a life of drugs and crime?’

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-benefits-young-people-income-poverty-support-rates-cuts-social-security-a8363871.html

    whoknew

    May 23, 2018 at 8:34 am

  49. Andrew Coates

    May 23, 2018 at 3:29 pm

  50. How to join demonstrations against Universal Credit happening across the UK.

    https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/universal-credit-protests-on-24-may-2018/

    Andrew Coates

    May 23, 2018 at 3:30 pm

  51. Tougher data privacy rules come into effect on Friday, impacting any organisation handling personal information linked to EU residents.

    GDPR quiz: How will data privacy law affect you?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-44224802

    whoknew

    May 24, 2018 at 12:48 pm

  52. Andrew Coates

    May 24, 2018 at 1:00 pm

  53. Thousands of Universal Credit claims getting 40% of benefit deducted for debts

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-5592525/Thousands-Universal-Credit-claims-getting-40-benefit-deducted-debts.html#ixzz5GR6vtQ2f
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

    superted

    May 24, 2018 at 4:12 pm

    • Superted

      Do you remember a while back when i posted that claimants needed to start to run benefits like a business,particularly if working ?

      Well this is just one reason why as the subject of deductions is no simple feat to get ones head around whether are not working,working and claiming UC or working with no UC. The old legacy benefits, even housing benefit and council tax through your local council is no easier discussion.

      Each persons circumstance makes it to difficult to bottle as a simple subject and it gets even worse if your a person working whose wages fluctuate or regardless of whether working or not, your crossing over from legacy to UC.

      Just like waiting for a first UC payment, everything is out of kilter so its not as say easy making a there and then subtraction from the change in your pocket.

      This, GDPR which is suppose to make things simpler is just blowing peoples minds lately but i think that’s rather the point to overload a person with so much self obligated processes so they mental collapse and just concede rather than investigate. Even if there is no real conspiracy, one thing is certain, people now have no choice but to take more responsibility than ever before.

      doug

      May 25, 2018 at 9:13 am

      • doug

        I couldn’t have put it better. You’ve hit the nail on the head, old son. Especially the last paragraph. We’re going to see a lot of people, not just claimants, imploding under the sheer weight of this new legislation.

        jj joop

        May 25, 2018 at 10:18 am

  54. At the stroke of midnight universal jobmatch will become ILLEGAL in the EU/UK!.

    Pumpkin

    May 24, 2018 at 8:35 pm

  55. Universal Jobmatch is now ILLEGAL! Universal Jobmatch is incompatible with the GDPR regulations which came into force at midnight today.

    Sunflower

    May 25, 2018 at 7:42 am

  56. Will the DWP will act like other public bodies. Exemptions unless in the case of law enforcement.

    Northolt Boy

    May 25, 2018 at 9:28 am

  57. Bet it won’t be long before dwp go back to pen and paper. Destroy Blotting Paper and Carbon Paper after single use. Shred everything after a certain date.

    Northolt Boy

    May 25, 2018 at 11:54 am

  58. Find a job the site a bit of a joke

    myfinalusername

    June 12, 2018 at 2:48 pm

    • Find a Job Its even worse then the last attempt.Its dull unappealing lacks vacancies has a poor layout and has an unprofessional no appeal air overall.

      Compared to CV Library Indeed Reed its hopeless.

      ken

      June 12, 2018 at 3:53 pm

      • I been told by my friends at reed in partnership, not to use cv library and stick with indeed and reed. surprise the work and health programme place not mention the find me a job site.
        As for logging into find me a job that is even harder log into sometimes than the loony job match site.

        myfinalusername

        June 12, 2018 at 9:30 pm


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