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Work and Health Programme: After Universal Credit another Opportunity for Government Cock-up.

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Work and Health Programme?

Providers announced for the Work and Health Programme (Thanks to contributors for flagging this up)

The Minister of State for Disabled People, Health and Work, Penny Mordaunt, has announced the 6 providers for the new Work and Health Programme.

Area Successful provider
Central England Shaw Trust
North East Reed In Partnership
North West Ingeus
Southern Pluss
Home Counties Shaw Trust
Wales Remploy

Local government partners in London and Greater Manchester have been given funding under devolution deals and are selecting their own providers.

In Scotland, funding for employment programmes for unemployed and disabled people was devolved in line with the Scotland Act.

The Work and Health Programme is not available in Northern Ireland.

As this Ipswich Unemployed Action I will concentrate on the Shaw Trust – which will provide services in ‘Home Counties’ East Anglia.

Past criticisms:

To be put on a 2 year Work Course is Compulsory, you have no choice, other words! My CV is sent, without my permission or any discussion with myself, to any Employers, whether I can do the job or not! Sometimes I will only get a few hours notice that an interview has been arranged for me! Plus I never get told what the hours are or the hourly rate, so I’m going into the interview ‘blind’. As I have a hernia, I was told not to tell the Employer.I had to lie just so I could get the job?
I will not lie, give false information that may be to my detriment, just so they can get rid of me! Despicable and underhand treatment of a human being!

More criticisms here

Example: May 2017

Terrible charity to work for bullying , harassment, under mining rife by management . Take my words of warning DO NOT WORK FOR THIS ORGANISATION YOU WOULD HAVE A NERVOUS BREAKDOWN.

Advice to Management

Stop the bullying and harassing culture that is rife in the organisation, absolutely disgusting that’s why I left….. . if DWP only knew how they treat their staff and how it would impact on the customers we support that they are paying us to do using taxpayers money. Get rid of the existing management team and directors and start again worst place I have worked in my entire LIFE!

(which to their credit the Shaw Trust registers and replies to).

Accounts up to 31st of March 2017,

The accounts reveal that the number of staff at the Wiltshire-based trust increased from 1,597 to 1,814 and the number of employees earning more than £60,000 increased from 46 to 56. The document says this “is substantially due to the conversion of three new schools into Shaw Education Trust during 2016-17”.

The highest salary paid during the year was in the £170,000 to £180,000 pay band. The recipient of this money is not identified in the accounts. 

Aspects of the new Programme:

Groups targeted:

Who is the eligible group for the Programme? (1)
It is expected that the Programme will support individuals from the following
participant groups:
• A person with a disability, as defined in the Equality Act 2010 can volunteer
to join the programme at any time including additional places for eligible and
suitable WRAG claimants
• Long Term Unemployed (LTU) – these will be claimants in the intensive work
search regime in Universal Credit or JSA claimants – who have not moved into
employment within 24 months of their claim

 

Programme participation
Participants will remain on the programme for up to 15 months of job finding
support
• If in that period they find a job they will stay on the programme until they
achieve a sustained Job Outcome
• If after 15 months support they do not find a job they return to the JCP offer
• Following a job start, the provider will be required to provide light touch inwork
support, for the participant if the provider and claimant agree it is
necessary in order for the claimant to remain in work.
• In-work support will continue until a sustained Job Outcome is achieved (not
indefinitely) and arrangements for continuation of support are in place if
necessary before the provider support ceases.
• The details and type of support will be set out by providers in their bids and
should complement other in work support.

Comment: One of the greatest concerns is shown by the head image.

Will this programme involve putting unemployed people into ‘therapy’?

More information on this programme welcome.

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Written by Andrew Coates

November 4, 2017 at 10:49 am

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  1. Lucky old Northern Ireland. Where I live, it’s going to be the Shaw Trust of whom I have only heard bad things. If the Jobcentre have a copy of your CV, will they pass it on to the provider and do they need your consent to do this?

    jj joop

    November 4, 2017 at 11:40 am

    • As far as I know everybody – including government departments – have to ask for and receive permission from the person who owns the data before doing anything with it, including sharing it with others. In other words if you have given your data to anybody, or any body, they cannot pass it on of divulge it to anyone, for any purpose, without seeking and gaining your explicit permission to do so – unless of course the inquiry comes from the police, or similar, who have sought and gained permission from the powers that be to request private data for specific purposes usually connected with criminality.

      When I was with Reed in Partnership they always asked if they could “put me forward” for a job and whether I agreed to let them send my CV and particulars to an employer – or anybody else for that matter! The guy who use to advise me locally said they if they didn’t get my written permission from me to share my data with others and passed on my personal information regardless would end up “…disciplined, sacked or even prosecuted in worst case scenarios…”.

      Certainly government department absolutely HAVE to keep personal data private and, unless the law gets change, can pretty much guarantee that the DWP won’t be able to pass on your CV to ANYBODY without your written permission.

      Man in the Low Tower

      November 4, 2017 at 12:05 pm

  2. Presumably it will be mandatory for people on the Work & Health Programme to undertake prescribed medical treatment. Or be sanctioned. Just like the former Work Programme, the whole scheme is compulsory. People won’t be able to pick and choose what they will do.

    Paul Rodell

    November 4, 2017 at 3:33 pm

    • Yes, though I have yet to find what exactly this means for claimants.

      That is the details of the programme we will have to follow, what are obligations will be, what kind of ‘help’ we will get, and so on.

      Given the usual chancers and profiteers, sorry ‘charities’ and the rest (er Reed…..) running the show we can expect the worst.

      Andrew Coates

      November 4, 2017 at 3:43 pm

    • In the UK only very seriously ill psychiatric patients can be medicated involuntarily under current law. This is why the Tories couldn’t pursue an agenda making benefits conditional for drug addicts and taking them away if addicts refused treatment and therapy for their addiction: national and international laws relating to consent in respect to medical treatment meant that what wankers like Maria Miller and David Cameron were suggesting would not be possible in the UK without enacting a cartload of primary legislation.

      Quinquangle

      November 4, 2017 at 6:21 pm

      • Quinquangle

        Thank you – you have hit the nail dead on. This is the real problem that underlies these schemes and the reason why the law(s) are the way they are. Why is that? The many scandals that led up to the enacting of said laws due to the say for instance sectioning of a person in furtherance of say defrauding said person as a example, or forcing that person to undergo treatment for something that does not exist – but someone making a profit from said action.

        Only the person in conjunction with medical advice can make the decision as to yes/no for ‘treatment’.

        Remember, the law(s) regarding treatment are connected to the Information Act, but are not part of it.

        Practising as a certified medical practitioner [and no doing a bogus ‘course’ does not count as DWP is making staff do to justify referral], I predict that this is going to get interesting right quick.

        Gazza

        November 5, 2017 at 10:45 am

    • That’s what I thought. And I was forced on the Work Programme. I was only on it a month before I found work. Even though I told them f…off when I got the job I ended up having to block them as they kept calling and emailing!

      katrehman

      November 4, 2017 at 6:43 pm

      • A family member had the same problem. She found a job off her own back. But they, Ingeus, kept phoning her and writing to her to sign a form so THEY could get paid for finding her a job!!!

        jj joop

        November 4, 2017 at 9:09 pm

    • We will see what my GP says about prescribed medical treatment for me, probably tell reed in partnership where to shove it.

      myfinalusername

      February 27, 2018 at 7:26 pm

  3. The subject of financial viability was raised before too.None of this worked on the previous Work Programme for groups that are at a disadvantage.Outside organisations such as Turning Point were brought in before by A4e who didn’t want to know these people who were seen as sub prime.

    While the efforts were much better there was still the question over the overall outcomes.Basically there was nothing they could do except what everyone else did.Claimants keep applying on a different computer.

    Simply keeping quite about healh problems simply means again rights undemined.Pretending something isn’t there doesn’t make it go away also workplace adjustments are not in place.It will comeback at some point and comeback hard and the claimant will have to pick up the pieces.

    ken

    November 4, 2017 at 5:56 pm

    • Jj hoop Ingeus were my providers too. I remember one vomitable course I did with them pre my mandaton to them Re Waste Programme. Effective personal marketing. How to sell yourself. I’m the first person to say I realize I’m nothing special and there’s lots of better ppl out there but hey I’m still unique. I’m not for sale did I won’t be bought…

      katrehman

      November 5, 2017 at 10:37 am

      • If the content of such courses enabled people to get good jobs, why were the people teaching and administering the course not in better jobs themselves? It’s all as sham as these people that hold “courses” to show others how to be millionaires who are not millionaires themselves and work for a living by conning money from the pockets of gullible people who believe that there is a some secret and simple recipe which you only need to know to become wealthy and successful.

        Charles

        November 5, 2017 at 3:22 pm

  4. […] Work and Health Programme: After Universal Credit another Opportunity for Government Cock-up […]

  5. Breaking news…. Breaking news…. Breaking news….

    ‘Extreme porn found on Damian Green’s computer by police’

    Officers claim they unearthed the X-rated material while raiding Damian Green’s parliamentary office during an inquiry into government leaks.

    The Deputy Prime Minister has been hit with a fresh scandal amid claims that police found ‘extreme’ pornography on his computer.

    Officers claim they unearthed the X-rated material while raiding Damian Green’s parliamentary office during an inquiry into government leaks.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5050533/Extreme-porn-Damian-Green-s-computer-police.html

    Breaking News

    November 4, 2017 at 11:40 pm

    • I can quite believe it. The little twat was probably spending his days perusing porn when he was Secretary of State for Work and Pensions, when its roll out accelerated, and did nothing as thousands of people starved, fell into debt and rent arrears and were evicted despite every charity, church, council and expert screaming their heads off warning the world and his wife about the unfolding tragedy.

      Tommo

      November 5, 2017 at 8:13 am

    • I’m finding all this sleaze very upsetting. I was a victim of sexual harassment on a daily basis in my last job. I had to take the individual to court in the end and was signed off 8 weeks with stress related illness. It’s bringing back a lot of bad memories. I counted Kelvin Hopkins a friend..Though I’m not sure what to believe. I have even less respect than before for our rulers….

      katrehman

      November 5, 2017 at 10:40 am

      • Has your TV/radio/computer not got an ‘OFF’ switch, kat?

        Sammi

        November 5, 2017 at 12:10 pm

    • Counsellors in Jobcentres or Agents of Social Control ?

      https://counsellingtutor.com/counsellors-in-jobcentres-or-agents-of-social-control/

      whoknew

      November 5, 2017 at 5:05 am

      • There was talk of Dwp staff being in surgeries a few years ago. does anybody remember that

        NHS

        November 5, 2017 at 10:29 am

      • NHS

        Yes, Herr Idiot Smith tried to push that about three years ago then…. surprise surprise it faded away – medical community was not happy as they vocally pointed out that doing so would make them appear to be supporting DWPs drive in this area which they were totally against.

        Gazza

        November 5, 2017 at 10:50 am

      • How can you be forced to take Computer Based Training that is psychological and not occupational? Surely you can refuse “re-education” which has the aim of changing you attitudes and making you more compliant or work-orientated or whatever?

        Charles

        November 5, 2017 at 11:49 am

      • Of Course The Results Will Be ”Loaded” In The Provider/DWP Favor

        Philip

        November 8, 2017 at 9:13 am

      • Charles

        Therein lies the inherent problem with such things – imagine them trying this with someone with serious ‘hidden’ mental problems, if such a person ran amok who would be responsible? is such coercion medically okay [remembering a] the professional ran away from the very idea, b] is it signed off by the responsible medical body? nope c] is DWP/Providors certified to practice medicine? nope d] the issues are most definetly complex – can DWP/Providers actually address this due to cost? nope e] telling someone that their incurable/progressive medical issue is all in the mind (good luck with that)….

        The above is a small taste of the issues let alone the idea that GOV/Providers can brainwash citizens as we are then getting into the area of truely “Big Brother”

        Gazza

        November 5, 2017 at 5:36 pm

    • I thought it was 2017 not 1984. Mind you Labour in its final days was just as bad and was planning to have DWP employees seconded to doctor’s surgeries to interview people given sick notes to take time off to see if there was some kind of paid work that they might be able to do, somewhere, while waiting to get better. This was in the days when hammering benefit claimants seemed to be the nation’s favourite bloodsport and things like lie detectors (which didn’t work) were being installed in benefit offices to filter everybody ringing up to ask for assistance.

      Tommo

      November 5, 2017 at 8:08 am

    • So CBT (cock and ball torture) is to be administered in private rooms at the Jobcentre. Yum-yum!

      https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/cmht_iapt#incoming-664396

      jj joop

      November 5, 2017 at 9:07 am

      • It happend on the Work Programme too.Over the phone and print outs through the post over one hundred miles away.

        What looks to be happening here is the base group is much wider then disability.

        Theres no way I would allow any of this in a Jobcentre.What is likely to happen is if one course is not seen to be working then an other course might.You risk exposing yourself to attitudes and sanctions.

        The Health And Work Programme looks to be following the Work Programme pninciple also.If figures were so bad over all for all why this?

        Under the hugely complex contractual arrangements of the Work Programme, sometimes A4e are the “secondary providers” – essentially under contract to another company.

        https://www.channel4.com/news/by/jackie-long/blogs/figuring-out-the-work-programme

        Turning point’s staff were very upfront about the finacial worthwile over the period of two years.In the end they puled out.A4e were left high and dry calling them back in then Turning Point’s staff transferred to A4e at a later date.

        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/spending-review/10146659/5bn-Work-Programme-worse-than-doing-nothing.html

        ken

        November 6, 2017 at 11:24 am

  6. More billions of pounds wasted.

    seanryan7

    November 5, 2017 at 7:42 am

  7. Following Recent Press Reports. Any Takers On A General Election Before Easter ?

    Philip

    November 5, 2017 at 10:19 am

    • Latest Scandles. Just in time to take the Bad News away from Brexit And UC

      Philip

      November 5, 2017 at 10:26 am

      • Middle-class knobheads seem to think that arse-slapping is more important that kids starving to death as documented by the Institute of Fiscal Studies; Polly Toynbee being the only media commentator to mention this shocking state of affairs in Britain in the year 2017.. People always have to have something to worry about, get heated up about, and the media feeds them…. their shit.by the shovel-load. If knee-touching gets is all you have to worry about, all is says is that you have nothing to worry about. And goodness knows what ‘bad news’ is being ‘buried’ by this tedious crap.

        Hyancinth

        November 5, 2017 at 12:01 pm

    • If a couple more significant MP go it could happen. The whole thing seems like a domino effect where one falling topples several others and so on until loads of the guilty fall. People could actually end up in clink over this. There have been accusations of rape. All these filthy old men trying it on with girls as young as their granddaughters is awful. Don’t they look in the mirror and see how ugly, fat and old they are? Horrible. I hope the guilty ones get all the comeuppance they deserve.

      Charles

      November 5, 2017 at 3:30 pm

  8. You have to fear the worst here simply because employers couldn’t care less about the DWP or what they think.

    What they do want is solid work history and oustanding skills/abilities not five minutes in a charity shop or a few weeks work experience is falling way short.Typically these are the same charities/companies.Sessions were held at the jobcentre to promote this appearence of outstanding abilities so they clearly knew the difficulties encountered at the application stage.

    Many cannot cope/understand psychometric tests for example and fail on a web page.Also a case of one being refered by a company to Remploy for support in their application who in turn refused to help despite being registered disabled.The jobcentre removed all comments on the disability and in work support required from the JSA claimant commitment without telling the claimant then signed it with an electronic signing declaration signature already on the system.

    Whats likely to happen this will be simply used to have a go at people once back at the jobcentre for a situation simply because of their circumstances dictated their outcome.

    As Rose pointed out their does appear to be more of the same as the Shaw Trust look to outsource with third party involvment.It appears also the mention of fork lift truck licences/CSCS cards has come around again.These were promised before but never materialised but the bullying/snide comments did.When people asked for these they were told they wern’t going to get them because they wouldn’t be worthwhile.

    https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/ShawTrust_WHP_EoI

    Refusing to sign third party/provider documents is a very wise move as the risk of being exposed to horrendous exepriences is all to real.Also where there is financial gain involved they will turn their back on poor outcome areas and leaving people they were supposed to be helping.

    ken

    November 5, 2017 at 11:26 am

  9. What ‘s this all about? Does this mean that the Scotch can still be ‘mandated’ to these vile, horseshit schemes ran by the lowest of the low? Just that if you don’t turn up nothing will happen. Can still see the Scotch getting tricked into these schemes by the crafty Jobcentre: “‘fraid it is mandatory 😦 ” and signing the ‘provider’ paperwork etc.

    Scotland wins battle to end voluntary work programme sanctions

    Holyrood can exempt Scots taking part from having benefits stopped or cut thanks to newly devolved welfare powers

    Unemployed Scots taking part in newly devolved, voluntary work programmes will not face sanctions, after the Scottish government won its battle with Westminster to exempt those taking part from having their benefits stopped or reduced.

    The Scottish government’s minister for employability and training, Jamie Hepburn, welcomed this as “a great relief to individuals who have had to cope with this unnecessary stress and harm in the past”.

    Hepburn said: “I am delighted that the Scottish government can give people an assurance that they will not be sanctioned through our employment programmes. We can now show that our programmes are an opportunity and not a threat.”

    The newly devolved welfare powers, which were agreed under the Scotland Act, allow Scottish ministers to design their own employment services for disabled people and those at risk of long-term unemployment, beginning in April 2017. These transitional arrangements will be made before a full Scottish programme of employment support launches in April 2018.

    Although sanctions will still be Westminster’s preserve, Hepburn has been pressing the UK government to clarify its position on whether Scots taking part in work programmes could be exempt because of the voluntary nature of the schemes. According to research by the Scottish Greens, 80,000 sanctions have been issued to people on employment programmes in Scotland since 2010.
    Social security, not benefits: Scotland to ponder words of welfare
    Read more

    Hepburn added: “While we won’t have the powers to prevent people from being sanctioned by the UK government, we can make sure we take a distinctly Scottish approach through our employment programme.”

    The work and pensions secretary, Damian Green, confirmed the Scottish exemption in a letter to the convener of Holyrood’s social security committee, Sandra White, on Tuesday.

    Reiterating his belief that conditionality and sanctions “contribute to a fairer society” and are “an important part of our benefits system”, Green said that the Department for Work and Pensions would make referrals to the devolved programmes on a voluntary basis, meaning that a sanction would not be applied for failure to attend or participate.

    Green wrote: “DWP does, however, remain interested to see how the Scottish government will achieve delivery of an effective system which both secures value for money, and provides successful outcomes for those at risk of long-term unemployment, where engagement is on a purely voluntary basis.”

    Last month, Hepburn said his government “doesn’t want to facilitate the UK government’s sanctions regime” when he met a group of single parents at the Edinburgh offices of One Parent Families Scotland.

    He said he was planning work programmes that were voluntary and took into account the complexity of individual circumstances, after hearing the parents describe sleepless nights under threat of sanction and the practical difficulties of finding even entry-level jobs that were compatible with childcare.

    Marion Davis, head of policy at One Parent Families Scotland, welcomed the result, saying: “We are very pleased that the Scottish government has taken a stand against benefit sanctions that force many single parents into low-paid and poor-quality work.

    “But there are still tens of thousands of single parents who are not in paid work and facing the risk of being sanctioned. They don’t need the threat of destitution to get them into work but need flexible and affordable childcare and better paid work.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/nov/22/scotland-voluntary-work-sanctions-benefits-holyrood

    Zola

    November 5, 2017 at 11:42 am

    • Enjoying his cache of “extreme pornography” seems to have addled Green’s brain… assuming,of course, that he has such an organ.

      Charles

      November 5, 2017 at 12:03 pm

    • “Although sanctions will still be Westminster’s preserve, Hepburn has been pressing the UK government to clarify its position on whether Scots taking part in work programmes could be exempt because of the voluntary nature of the schemes”.

      Sound like if you ‘volunteer’ you will then subject to sanctions. Like the jobcentre is going to inform claimants that they are voluntary though. Don’t vounteer and put your head in the sanction noose!

      Xena Princess Warrior

      November 5, 2017 at 12:42 pm

      • Jobcentre staff can’t lie to you. So what you need to do is ask if what you are being asked to do is mandatory or voluntary. If the answer is “voluntary” refuse it if you don’t fancy it; if the answer is “mandatory” ask for that to be put in writing in the form of a signed letter before you do it. Sometimes ignorant clerks do lie and if you ask for documentary proof of the “direction” signed by somebody (who will suffer consequences if untrue) they do sometimes back down. Most times however they sanction you and kick the matter upstairs to an anonymous “decision maker” to unravel.

        Charles

        November 5, 2017 at 3:35 pm

      • Charles

        Good points. As for the kicking upstairs – let them, then it becomes a bigger deal in the fact that a] staff do not know what they are doing b] you can ask officially then just how widespread it is in writing [can then pass on to people of your choice, say local citizens advice group, local papers, local councillors, local help groups local MPs et etc] c] it shows definitely that management at said location not knowing what they are doing or what their staff is doing. Oooooops.

        Gazza

        November 5, 2017 at 5:43 pm

      • Hello, Cheeky! xxx

        Gabrielle

        November 6, 2017 at 7:53 pm

  10. Or are Scotch jobseekers who decline the kind offer of these schemes going to be, as ken would put it, roughed up by the Jobcentre, like daily 9-5 attendance?

    Zola

    November 5, 2017 at 11:44 am

  11. It says no sanctions. Is that for attendance/participation? What if the ‘provider’ offers the jobseeker a job. Does it mean that there is no mechanism for a ‘provider’ to report back to the jobcentre IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCES to attempt to apply a sanction. If you don’t have to set foot in a ‘provider’ office the best advice would be to steer clear of these scum. Who in their right mind would set foot in a ‘provider’ office voluntarily?

    Zola

    November 5, 2017 at 11:53 am

  12. Most of this classroom based activity will likely be based around Universal Credit and its aims managing money direct debits signing up to websites without any protection of privacy basically we own you.

    ken

    November 5, 2017 at 12:01 pm

  13. transform the lives of disabled people through sustainable employment,

    http://www.remploy.co.uk/info/20084/current_opportunities/396/the_work_and_health_programme

    ken

    November 5, 2017 at 1:27 pm

  14. And so it all continues,

    Andrew Coates

    November 5, 2017 at 1:29 pm

    • “without anybody really noticing” they say, but people will when they have to pay before seeing a Doc.

      whoknew

      November 5, 2017 at 7:28 pm

    • NHS offers smartphone GP appointments

      A 24-hour service has been launched for NHS patients, offering GP consultations via videolink on smartphones.

      The pilot scheme will initially cover 3.5 million patients in greater London.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-41884142

      whoknew

      November 6, 2017 at 6:22 pm

      • Crikey! How can a doctor diagnose over the phone?

        “Now put your hand on your forehead… does it feel hot?”

        “Yes, doctor.”

        “Does it feel sweaty?”

        “No.”

        Blah, blah, blah.

        Absolutely ridiculous verging on the insane.

        Hippocrates

        November 7, 2017 at 8:06 am

  15. Sexual harassment is currently a ‘hot topic’ – I wonder if disabled harassment can be turned into a similar ‘hot topic’.

    AntonZ

    November 5, 2017 at 5:46 pm

    • The majority of the population of the world are being harassed one way or another.

      whoknew

      November 5, 2017 at 7:01 pm

  16. Extra £200k fund to help Dundee Universal Credit claimants who could face ‘dire straits’

    Dundonians who could potentially be left in “dire financial straits” by welfare changes are to be offered support from an additional £200,000 council fund.

    https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/extra-200k-fund-help-dundee-universal-credit-claimants-face-dire-straits/

    ken

    November 5, 2017 at 6:02 pm

  17. Reblogged this on Same Difference.

    samedifference1

    November 6, 2017 at 2:56 am

  18. At least 150,000 workers across the UK are set to receive a pay rise thanks to an increase in the living wage, announced on Monday.

    A report over the weekend showed that more than a fifth of people working in the UK are still earning a salary that is below the living wage

    Part-time workers also get a particularly bad deal, with 3.1 million on less than the living wage, compared to 2.4 million full-time workers.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uk-living-wage-increase-workers-pay-rise-minimum-living-wage-foundation-a8039601.html

    whoknew

    November 6, 2017 at 9:48 am

    • And when the ones receiving get moved onto Universal Credit they end up much worse off despite increases planned as per the minimum wage – which isn’t, by any stretch of the imagination, anything like a real “living wage”.

      Charles

      November 6, 2017 at 12:43 pm

  19. FAIR START SCOTLAND – Scheme under fire already

    Note, one of the big players in this new “park and cream” scheme is PeoplePlus – formerly A4E!

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15641754.Minister_strikes_back_at_critics_of_Scottish_job_scheme/

    http://www.employabilityinscotland.com/devolved-employment-services/employment-support-2018/

    I See

    November 6, 2017 at 10:15 am

    • “…firms delivering Fair Start Scotland facing unannounced inspections from Government officials”.

      “a meeting this week with key participants in the private and voluntary sector, on Wednesday, would see more detail revealed of how the[Fair Start Scotland] scheme will work”.

      We shall see…

      I See

      November 6, 2017 at 10:23 am

      • TANNOY: “MR JONES IS AT RECEPTION”

        Code Phrase Alert

        November 6, 2017 at 10:34 am

    • the key focus for the service will be tailored and personalised support for all those who participate. pmsl where have we heard that before pmsl

      superted's rotten teeth

      November 6, 2017 at 10:37 am

      • 😀

        one size fits all

        November 6, 2017 at 10:39 am

  20. “FUCKING CRAPITA TO TAKE OVER CANCER SCREENING”

    Leading doctors say they have ‘no confidence in Capita’s ability to deliver’ a new national screening system given its track record

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-cancer-screenings-changes-capita-overhaul-doctors-raise-alarm-a8036381.html

    PREPARE FOR AN EARLY GRAVE

    Penelope Arnott-Smythe

    November 6, 2017 at 10:25 am

    • I agree Crapita couldn’t organize a funeral in a graveyard but please research cancer screening for yourself. Women have been misled for years about cervical cancer screening. GPS receive huge financial incentives to bully women into having smears. A woman’s lifetime risk of cervical cancer is 0.65% according to CRUK. a non smokers risk of lung cancer is 8%.

      katrehman

      November 7, 2017 at 1:52 pm

  21. WRINKLY OLD GOLD-PLATED SCROUNGER HIDES HER CASH IN OFFSHORE ACCOUNTS WHILST HER ‘SUBJECTS’ STARVE TO DEATH”

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/11/paradise-papers-expose-inequality-britain-can-no-longer-tolerate
    While the head of state hides from tax officials, those whom the state is supposed to protect are sanctioned for every minor misstep.

    A huge new leak has revealed the tax secrets of the super-rich and powerful. Dubbed the “Paradise Papers” after the idyllic locations involved, 13.4m documents expose the financial affairs of those who squirrel away huge amounts of cash in offshore tax havens.

    High-profile individuals implicated so far include the Queen, whose Duchy of Lancaster estate invested around £10m of funds in the Cayman Islands and Bermuda, the Tory donor and former deputy chairman Lord Ashcroft, who has been accused of ignoring rules on his offshore trust, and Donald Trump’s commerce secretary Wilbur Ross, who has shares in a shipping firm linked to Russia.

    These are just the first in a series of embarrassing disclosures that will continue throughout the week.

    While there isn’t much actual law-breaking involved so far, the scale and timing of this leak makes it more significant than last year’s Panama Papers prequel. Clearly not much has changed in terms of tax reform since then, when there was relatively little political fall-out considering even the Prime Minister at the time was implicated.

    Though that was only in April last year, the UK is a different country now. We live in a new context where austerity is questioned on all sides, and inequality has become a powerful political driver.

    The British public is no longer as likely to grin and bear the double standard that means the head of state gets to protect her money from UK tax officials, but those whom the state is supposed to protect are sanctioned if they turn up two minutes late to an appointment at the Jobcentre.

    Only last week, Jeremy Corbyn used PMQs to lambast the Conservative government’s shortcomings on tackling tax avoidance. With Britain one of the world’s top two biggest channels for corporate tax avoidance, having strong links to tax havens (many of which are its overseas territories and Crown dependencies), expect this line of attack finally to have some traction.

    PREPARE FOR AN EARLY GRAVE

    Ms Jemima Arnott

    November 6, 2017 at 11:05 am

    • Violet

      November 6, 2017 at 4:05 pm

      • In fairness I don’t think this particular 91 year old knew that any of this was going on. Her accountant, tax advisers and financial managers and such like are really the ones to blame.

        Charles

        November 6, 2017 at 5:22 pm

  22. John McDonnell’s Pension Managed Offshore

    Guido Fawkes

    November 6, 2017 at 11:14 am

  23. Reblogged this on Declaration Of Opinion.

    Mark Catlin

    November 6, 2017 at 11:49 am

  24. Sit back and watch the government hit the panic button. After whats been happening and with more to come, something stupid is going to happen before easter.

    James

    November 6, 2017 at 4:14 pm

  25. Andrew Coates

    November 6, 2017 at 5:20 pm

  26. Violet

    November 6, 2017 at 6:23 pm

  27. Yep, and the bastards in the jokecentre are the disciplinarians! Money is no object when it comes to persecuting the unemployed!

    Foxglove

    November 6, 2017 at 7:03 pm

  28. …. I’m sick of being policed by the b*stards and treated like a criminal all because I’m having trouble finding a job.

    Violet

    November 6, 2017 at 7:13 pm

  29. Fears food could run out as people in crisis using Norwich Foodbank surges

    Almost 500 more people came to Norwich Foodbank in crisis over six months this year amid concern there will not be enough food to distribute this winter.

    n the six months to September 30 this year, 4,773 three day emergency supplies were given to people in Norwich, including 1,448 children.

    Norwich Foodbank believes the local increase is due to people struggling with continued issues of delayed or changed benefit payments, low wages and insecure work.

    http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/news/rising-foodbank-use-revealed-amid-concern-universal-credit-puts-more-people-into-crisis-1-5268014

    ken

    November 6, 2017 at 9:21 pm

  30. superted

    November 7, 2017 at 12:43 am

  31. I have a heart Condition and hernia. These must be declared as I have had an embolism too. I wont Lie

    philip

    November 7, 2017 at 7:36 am

    • Even the terminally ill are supposed to “actively seek work” until six months from the grave in this Brave New World that the Tories have created. Even though it is EXTREMELY unlikely that any employer would offer such sick people employment. Have we ever seen such deliberate and conscious cruelty inflicted at home by any post-war government before?

      Hippocrates

      November 7, 2017 at 8:11 am

      • I also walk with a stick. I have too pay higher premium for insurance as well. I have also had trips and falls. I am also appealing an esa denial. I am waiting for the court date.

        Philip

        November 7, 2017 at 9:06 am

      • Just seen on BBC teletext for the regions (Northern Ireland). People transiting DLA to PIP are all being turned down.

        Philip

        November 8, 2017 at 9:09 am

  32. They were today raising that the Government’s latest benefit scheme will cause ‘serious harm to some of the poorest people’.

    Benefit claimants are at risk of becoming in arrears on their rent, with some facing eviction due to delays in payments, according to Labour members of Wolverhampton council.

    What will happen is that people will apply for loans from the Department of Work and Pensions or other sources to tide them over, and then by the time the first payment of the Universal Credit comes in, they may owe more than £1,000 in rent, utilities and the loan repayments?

    https://www.expressandstar.com/news/local-hubs/wolverhampton/2017/11/06/motion-to-stop-roll-out-of-universal-credit/

    ken

    November 7, 2017 at 11:45 am

  33. Universal Credit prepares you for work? Tell the starving child I met picking through bins

    New MPs can receive their first pay cheque within a week. Universal Credit claimants wait six.

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/welfare/2017/11/universal-credit-prepares-you-work-tell-starving-child-i-met-picking

    ken

    November 7, 2017 at 11:52 am

  34. I saw this today on the front page of the Ipswich Star/EADT in the newsagents in Upper Brook Street.

    Andrew Coates

    November 7, 2017 at 5:19 pm

    • Only 8% of those who will one day be on Universal Credit are on UC now. If things are this bad as things stand what are they going to be like if/when the other 92% of claimants on legacy benefits get “migrated” onto Universal Credit?

      Stephen

      November 7, 2017 at 8:19 pm

  35. Universal Credit to be rolled out across Cheltenham: What you need to know
    How do I apply? And what if I don’t have internet access at home?

    UC is administered and paid by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) and people apply for it on-line at http://www.gov.uk/apply-universal-credit.

    Customers who do not have access to the internet at home will be able to use computers at various locations around the borough, a full list is below.

    http://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/cheltenham-news/universal-credit-rolled-out-across-739130

    well thats the so called 35hr job search out the window then pmsl and that is why it will never work.

    The Digi Den is run by CBH but they do allow non tenants to access their computers.

    If you need someone to assist you then you will need to make an appointment.

    If you drop-in then please be aware there may not be a PC free.

    so thats 45 computers and 29 hrs in 6 different locations what could possible go wrong lol.

    superted

    November 7, 2017 at 10:52 pm

    • superted

      Is it mandatory to use Health and Work Programme Provider’s in-house job search engines?

      In this reply to an FoI, the DWP is saying that long-term unemployed claimants can be mandated to use the WHP’s intranet / search engine for job search. This is rubbish. To do that, you would have to fill out an electronic-form, which is a form drawn up by the provider on a computer. As you know, ted, you don’t have to fill in any forms or documents drawn up by the provider. So this is yet more deliberate DWP misinformation. More lies designed to create fear and uncertainty.

      https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/is_it_mandatory_to_use_health_an

      jj joop

      November 8, 2017 at 11:14 am

      • As far as I know people can only be forced to use Jobcentre computers.

        Stephen

        November 8, 2017 at 12:36 pm

      • They tried this on with people on the Work Programme but they couldn’t enforce it. Using the provider’s computers to do a job search is one thing, i.e. using google. But they cannot force people to transfer their personal data, i.e. data that can be used to identify them as a living person, on to their in-house Intranet. That is illegal. It has to be done voluntarily, without pressure or coercion. This is why the DWP cannot force you to give them access to a UJ account.

        The only way to use a provider’s Intranet / search engine is to create an account, which would involve you transferring your personal data on to their system.

        jj joop

        November 8, 2017 at 1:37 pm

  36. It appears as if the best route into poverty is a Conservative Government.

    https://refutedarchive.wordpress.com/2015/06/05/clones/

    ken

    November 8, 2017 at 11:50 am

  37. OT: Homelessness

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41889923
    “One in 25 people homeless in England’s worst hit areas”

    As many as one in 25 people are classed as homeless in the worst-affected areas of England, a new study has shown.
    Homeless charity Shelter said more than 268,000 people across England are homeless, although the number is a “conservative estimate”, with many more expected to be going unrecorded.
    It said the leading cause was the loss of a private tenancy, with three in 10 cases coming as a result.
    The government said it was “determined to tackle all forms of homelessness”.
    Shelter has launched an urgent appeal to raise money for front-line services.
    .
    .
    .
    The definition of homelessness under law includes rough sleepers, single people in hostels and those in temporary accommodation.
    Under these criteria, say Shelter, at least one in 206 people in England is classed as being homeless.
    Broken down, this results in around 4,100 people sleeping on the streets and at least 242,000 in temporary accommodation.
    A further 21,000 are either in hostels or being housed temporarily by social services.
    London has the highest proportion of homelessness in the country, accounting for 31 of the worst hotspots – with the borough of Newham recording one in 25 people as homeless.
    But other pressure points have also been identified:
    Luton, where one in 52 are homeless
    Brighton, where one in 69 fall into the category
    Birmingham, where the figure is one in 88

    Gazza

    November 8, 2017 at 12:19 pm

  38. Work and Health Programme: Workfare Rules, All Provider Guidance, Specifications etc

    Mandating LTU participants to undertake activity that attracts a Higher Level sanction

    6. For JSA participants – You, your employees and subcontractors have been designated as Employment Officers (Emp Os) for the purposes of section 19(2)(c) of the Jobseekers Act 1995 which enables you to mandate LTU participants to apply for and take up employment opportunities and refer LTU participants for higher Level sanctions (13, 26 and 156 week sanctions) should they fail to apply for or take up that employment opportunity.

    7. For UC participants – You, your employees and subcontractors have been delegated authority (the power to “contract out” s.24(4) SSWP functions is contained in Section.29 of the Welfare Reform Act 2012) which enables you to mandate LTU participants to apply for and take up employment opportunities and refer LTU participants for higher-level sanctions (91, 182 and 1095 day sanctions)

    https://mrfrankzola.wordpress.com/2017/05/28/work-and-health-programme-all-provider-guidance-specifications-and-launch-info/

    jj joop

    November 8, 2017 at 3:01 pm

    • LTU = long term unemployed

      jj joop

      November 8, 2017 at 3:02 pm

    • What about the Scotch sheep who *voluntarily* sign up for the Health & Work programme. Can the ‘providers’ still mandate LTU participants to apply for and take up employment opportunities and refer LTU participants for higher Level sanctions (13, 26 and 156 week sanctions) should they fail to apply for or take up that employment opportunity? Even though they supposedly can leave the ‘providers’ pen at any time without fear of sanction. Up in Scotchland, by rights, since it is *voluntary* the Health & Work programme should fall apart before it even starts.

      East Anglia

      November 8, 2017 at 5:12 pm

      • if you sign there contract they can do what they like with you even after it is over they can sell ur info on to cold callers and put ur email on lists and sell them so ur in box gets spammed with offers ect.

        what they do is con you in to thinking it is voluntary so you think ok can come and go as you like but as soon as you sign that contract it is just that a contract between you and the provider and then the sanctions can start flowing even if ur 1 min late.

        so they could send you on workfaire get a 4 week sanction and still have to turn up and do it or get another sanction on top get 3 in a row and it is 3 years no money get hardship for that 3 years and have to pay it back so you will be on hardship money for 6 years in that case.

        superted

        November 8, 2017 at 5:25 pm

      • A lot of jobseekers don’t understand the difference between an mandatory and voluntary OPPORTUNITY. The mandatory referral letter clearly states “if you do not attend this provision your benefits may be affected”. The voluntary referral letter makes no such mention. It is like like if the job centre refer a jobseeker to a job club and they don’t turn up. There is nowt the jobcentre can do expect re-refer the jobseeker to a job club. If a hapless jobseeker who is referred to a voluntary position turns up, signs all manner of contracts, it is then that they fall into the clutches of the provider bastards and, as ted says, put themselves in line for a shedload of sanctions, and all for something they didn’t have to have anything to do with in the first place.

        Hotel California

        November 8, 2017 at 5:48 pm

      • i have had plenty of letters from the jcp stating it was mandatory but it never is as at some point they will need contracts signing and that is not mandatory.

        now if you read the letters it always states you must participate but that only covers the day and date you are sent to the providers office for induction it is then up to the providers to con you in to signing there contracts because without that they cant get paid or process ur personnel data.

        now as the dwp just send all this info to them when ur refer to the provider they cant do jack with it without ur permission and if the provider then states it is mandatory you sign it then show them my tribunal letter and that will be the end of that.

        all they can do is send you back to the jcp or not ie the provider just dont say anything to them as what happens to me on the last wp as after i was sent on it there was no communication between provider and jcp staff.

        why because they did not have permission to share my personnel data with 3rd party’s as no contract was signed.

        they still tried to get me sanctioned mind for non attendance like ten times but never went past a dm as had no contract with provider.

        also every letter was late buy about a month and on one letter to the dwp stated i do not own a fkn time machine yet but in working on it 🙂

        superted

        November 8, 2017 at 6:13 pm

      • The Scotch can just treat this heap of steaming shite – the health and work programme – like any other of the voluntary shite e.g. job clubs. If they are refereed – do not turn up for the induction. Cockroach: “So, why didn’t you attend the work and health programme induction?” “It’s voluntary like 😀 😀 “

        Lowestoft

        November 9, 2017 at 8:58 am

      • “Participation will be entirely voluntary;”

        But does that mean a MANDATORY referral as was the case for the ‘flagship 😀 ‘ work programme . And like superted say, the bastards are trying to con participants into thinking that they can come and go as they please.

        http://www.employabilityinscotland.com/devolved-employment-services/employment-support-2018/

        Lowestoft

        November 9, 2017 at 9:07 am

      • There was at least one provider who wouldn’t accept anyone onto the programmes in place before the work programme if they didn’t fill in/sign the paperwork. In this case, what the jobcentre did was keep re-referring back to the provider. In some cases, this had been going on for years, until the work programme commenced. Maybe this wasn’t an option for the provider under the work programme.

        Brighton Rock

        November 9, 2017 at 9:15 am

  39. what they on pmsl they cant mandate you to sign there paper work let alone mandate you take employment as it is contract law and data protection.

    now that states a sanction can be raised if you fail to apply for a job or take up employment yet how will they tell the jcp/dwp this unless you sign a contract with the provider.

    they cant as it will be a breach of the data protection act and also they cant force you to apply for jobs as contracts must be signed of free will.

    what that says is they will sanction you if they give you any job to apply for and fail to do so but if you refuse to enter in to a contract with a provider would make it illegal in any case as it is being forced under threats of a sanction doubt.

    superted

    November 8, 2017 at 4:21 pm

    • superted

      I won’t be signing anything. I will, of course, agree to fully participate in the WHP. And out the door I’ll go, I expect. If only more people would take this line, the whole thing would collapse. Most people, as you know, are like sheep. They’ll exactly what their roaches and providers tell them to do.

      Have you ever had a provider call the police and have you removed from the building, ted?

      jj joop

      November 8, 2017 at 4:45 pm

    • If you don’t sign their paper work will you get sanctioned???

      Violet

      November 8, 2017 at 7:30 pm

      • they tried it with me and took them to tribunal over it and they lost.
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        and they dont share my info with 3rd party’s pmsl there doing it even with no contract signed!

        and why would i ask for a assessment for math and English when it was meant to be done on the first day as on 2nd day the course started, they tried to cover there ass but got the dates wrong o dear, tho all this has been wiped from the lms wonder why 😉

        superted

        November 8, 2017 at 7:43 pm

      • superted

        Where it says you refused to accept the terms and conditions to get on the computer, did they ask you to physically sign a wet form or was it an on-the-screen agreement, i.e. tick/check a box?

        Does an on-the-screen e-form constitute a document drawn up by the provider?

        jj joop

        November 9, 2017 at 7:33 am

      • Violet

        Your work coach will refer your claim for benefit to a decision maker, as in the case of superted.

        jj joop

        November 9, 2017 at 7:35 am

      • was a tick box on screen but was asked on the fist day i went not the 2nd and was to work search.

        superted

        November 9, 2017 at 1:40 pm

      • superted

        I was looking at Your Mandatory Reconsideration Notice.

        It says: “You refused to sign the enrolment form from the provider, disbelieving you were required to sign by law.” and “You did not have any evidence to warrant your actions in failing to participate or sign the enrolment form.”

        Did you send any of the FoI letters on whatdotheyknow to the decision maker, which state there is no legal requirement to sign any provider forms?

        jj joop

        November 9, 2017 at 8:34 pm

      • no i done my mr over the phone but did tell them i have foi requests that state this i even showed it to the provider and after they gave me there letter for the reason i was asked to leave even said i dont have to sign anything so i said can you say that on video via my phone and stated no under data protection so said funny that as that is what i was doing.

        i done the mr over the phone or purpose as knew it would be upheld as wanted to go to tribunal as doug wanted proof i could win.

        and i knew i could win the day the provider gave me that letter tbh.

        i even covered the sanction with a budgeting loan and got it 3 days after my money stopped.

        you should of seen the look on the advisers face pmsl and there Christmas bonus was the sack haha

        superted

        November 9, 2017 at 9:20 pm

  40. the fist time i was sent to the wp for induction i was told i was braking the law by not signing there paperwork and said go ring them then and see what happens pmsl nothing and that was the end of that.

    at the last provider i refused to leave until they gave me a letter in writing or to phone the police to have me removed as to why i am being asked to leave and the reason but i guess you seen that 😉

    Initial engagement activity

    You must engage with the participant by discussing the programme with them and book a face to face meeting sending out details to participant to confirm. You must keep a record of the actions you have taken to contact the participant to arrange the initial interview and by what means (i.e. telephone/letter)

    Start: The point at which the individual starts to participate in the programme, this must include a face to face interview between you and individual. You must provide evidence of this. Examples of acceptable evidence will include (in England) an appropriately completed ESF1420 (or other similar ESF) form, or evidence of initial action planning activity.

    That is the same form i had given me at the last provider so they need you to sign it otherwise they cant process ur personnel info or get job outcome payments from the prap system just like the work programme.

    from the looks of it it is no different at all just this time if ur on esa ect you can now be sent on to it.

    now get this so say you got a job via a agency and start full time like b4 you dont have to say who the employer is as you got the job via agency so just tell them that.

    then they ring them up to get the name of the employer from the agency and guess what they will say err no data protection and thus no job outcome payment.

    thats why they will harass you 247 for the name of the employer as it will be the only way to get there money.

    and this is why i dont give the dwp any more info than the need on the system as when the time comes they send the provider all they have on you permission or not so they cant send what they dont have can they.

    all the info the jcp has is name addr and ni number but if you see the sar i have they constantly was asking for phone numbers and email address wonder why 🙂

    o and my new adviser has dumped me again so am on apb atm. adviser pin ball ie ur it this week 😉

    superted

    November 8, 2017 at 5:08 pm

    • How many advisers have you had?

      jj joop

      November 8, 2017 at 5:24 pm

      • about 9 so far this claim but i know everyone in the hole office by name so had them all bar the new stock there getting in to do the dirty work but they aint got a clue what there doing i gave in my sar and the guy did not know what it even was and when i told him what it was for got the p off look and told i could leave 😉

        superted

        November 8, 2017 at 5:31 pm

    • Superted

      I like that, breaking the law.

      I would have so loved DWP and provider to have explained that one.

      As for “i done the mr over the phone or purpose as knew it would be upheld as wanted to go to tribunal as doug wanted proof i could win”.

      I knew you could win, ive been there for others loads of times before and at tribunal, even smashed it myself although i prevented DWP even being able to raise a doubt. Now although they don’t exist, had a tribunal existed that then put DWP in the dock as to explain how they made such a mistake, DWP would claim as you merely verbally relayed your proof about why not at RM that this was viewed as heresay no matter how correct it is. An FOI isn’t as mighty as people may think but say for example the tool kit chapter on UJM is and why DWP suspended it to prevent claimants from using it as proof. This is where law steps in and where civil servants are compelled under the civil service code to obey and enforce all law. Now a decision maker like a coach isn’t compelled under law to know all said laws or have access to them to practice like say a lawyer or judge is. So its on the claimant to produce said laws in writing in legal text (the law itself) citing what they are referring to and enacting. The DM is then compelled under law to enforce it meaning say in your case, contract law and lawful consent trump welfare act to name but one of the welfare type acts in use. A DM or even coach isn’t entitled to interpret said laws so if not obvious must seek legal guidance prior to any decision (again always make sure DM/coach explicitly understand the material, understand there obligations under the civil service code if applicable and whose help they must seek if not).

      I suspect the reason everyone’s raised doubts are differently approached dew to how the claimant presents their case. So by observing claimants cases i can improve method that then gets broadcast so we can attempt to reduce how many claimants have to wait long periods just to over turn a decision that’s wrong.
      At the end of the day DWP are sh*tbags so the more we back them into a corner, the more there ethics and practice look bad.
      Take you case, despite winning, what has happened to DWP besides nothing. They still push it same way hoping the next is a sucker. So the next step is to highlight how exactly did DWP get it so wrong and cost the taxpayer unnecessary money.

      doug

      November 10, 2017 at 1:07 pm

      • I thought DWP had too abide by ministerial wishes or do DWP ”advise ministers what to say

        ........

        November 10, 2017 at 1:13 pm

  41. maybe a link of these pages should be sent to the UN and the EU the later b4 brexit

    ........

    November 10, 2017 at 1:24 pm

  42. Ministers in government don’t do dick nothing, they have a team of public servants that advise them, even private firms. They’re mouth pieces and that’s all they are sitting at a desk waiting for someone to do the heavy lifting for them.

    doug

    November 11, 2017 at 10:35 am

    • PERMANENT secretaries – they float from one Government (Minister) to the next. The Minister merely picks up the ‘portfolio’ (brief) i.e. ‘mouthpiece’.

      Civil Servant

      November 11, 2017 at 10:55 am

    • Doug said: “Ministers in government don’t do dick nothing” On the contrary some of us (allegedly?) look at ‘extreme’ porn all day… 😉

      Damian 'the Omen' Green

      November 11, 2017 at 10:57 am

    • And spend our time on Ashley Madison (allegedly?) 😉

      Damian 'the Omen' Green

      November 11, 2017 at 11:01 am

    • Thats what I have always suspected. Read what’s put in front of them and say what they are told to say. Must have advisors etc close at hand when appearing in the media.

      Philip

      November 11, 2017 at 11:38 am

      • Not quite.
        Basically they say “ive got an idea, don’t know how to manifest it but do believe it will work”. Basically politicians work on the pseudoscience method of, as you cant prove god does not exist, i can claim he does until proven otherwise.
        The thing is, you really cant make a silk purse out of a sows ear and why your always going to upset someone/s, have to change measurements,fudge and cherry pick figures, rely on anecdotal evidence just to be able to assert the latter.

        doug

        November 11, 2017 at 12:13 pm

      • Yes but… As when the incumbent changes roll or is out of roll et-al. The new incumbent still goes with the brief of the previous (At the despatch box for the 1st Time. As previously stated I have decided that etc etc etc (speaking as a minister is always. I HAVE DECIDED.) Even if the previous made the decision in the 1st place.

        philip

        November 11, 2017 at 1:35 pm

      • “What, a tweak does not count as a complete overall” ?

        doug

        November 13, 2017 at 11:27 am

  43. achieve a sustained Job Outcome so either way whether you find a job yourself of the provider finds you a job (you still got to nailed the interview) when I was on FND, I found a job myself and my advisor kept phoning our house up every day (I was too scared to tell her no as I knew the job was only temporary) she even questioned me when the job got delayed for a week as something was out of my control happened as I started at the company and returned a week later to carry on with the job. It got worst once the job ended she kept asking me why it ended,l she was not even my advisor anymore at the provider,
    my job centre advisor went through a questionnaire/survey and I was told 50/50 chance I would be put on this as it was completed random (I did not know it was the work and health programme) as she gave me very little details. she knows I am with another provider who is helping me find work, I can see I will lose this one who has done a lot for me in the last two months with helping me to improved my confidence because I have a disability,

    myfinalusername

    February 16, 2018 at 8:16 pm

  44. I’ve been told by JCP that I’ve been identified as in the group of people to be put on the Work & Health Programme, which in my area is to be run by Reed. I’m absolutely dreading it. So far I’ve been resisting it as it was voluntary when they first mentioned it but as far as I know it becomes mandatory sometime thismonth (April 2018), though I havent been given a start date yet I’m expecting it now every time I go to sign on, I know it’s coming. I think the therapy that they bully you into is CBT, which I was told by a GP just over 3 yrs ago is not suitable or appropriate for me. I have already been through Psychotherapy and it was disastrous and the worst experience of my life, and after which my Doctor concluded that I am untreatable and said that there is nothing more the NHS can do for me, then told me to leave his practice and go register with a different doctors surgery. I am in my 50s and diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder, but they won’t give me a sick note so I have to claim JSA as though I am fit for work. I also have an Hiatus Hernia and take medication for life for that, as well I have Type 2 Diabetes. There are very few jobs actually in my town, they are all miles away, and I have no transport, theyre mostly shift work, “fast paced” production jobs that I’m not likely to get, wouldnt be able to get to , and wouldn’t last 5 minutes at.

    trev

    April 15, 2018 at 12:11 pm


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