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From Springboard of  Universal Credit to Chancellor of the Exchequer?

Yesterday:

David Gauke Reveals He Wants To Be Chancellor Of The Exchequer

The Huffington Post continues:

But Tory cabinet minister plays down idea he could become prime minister.

It was expected that he is as deaf as doorpost to all the misery he’s left in his wake, so no surprise to see this:

Today:

Universal credit rollout will go ahead despite Tory MPs’ call for delay

Reports  the Guardian.

Work and pensions secretary David Gauke confirms introduction of controversial benefit will continue as planned.

The government is to press ahead with its rollout of universal credit, the work and pensions secretary has confirmed, despite a last-minute appeal from Tory backbenchers for a delay.

More than a dozen Conservative MPs had raised concerns with David Gauke’s department that claimants were being forced to use food banks because of the mandatory six-week wait to receive money.

On Monday, the MP who led the plea, Heidi Allen, appealed directly to Theresa May to intervene.

But in his speech to the Conservative party conference in Manchester, Gauke praised the controversial system, which is being gradually introduced around the country.

“Universal credit is working,” he said. “So I can confirm that the rollout will continue, and to the planned timetable.

“We’re not going to rush things; it is more important to get this right than to do this quickly, and this won’t be completed until 2022. But across the country, we will continue to transform our welfare system to further support those who aspire to work.”

Gauke said the government would be “refreshing the guidance” to staff at the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) over the possibility of giving advance payments to claimants in difficulty.

“Claimants who want an advance payment will not have to wait six weeks, they will receive this advance within five working days,” Gauke said. “And if someone is in immediate need, then we fast-track the payment, meaning they will receive it on the same day.”

Debbie Abrahams, the shadow work and pensions secretary, condemned the confirmation of the rollout, saying Gauke “should immediately end the misery caused by the six-week wait for payment of universal credit”.

Charities and campaign groups also expressed concern. Child Poverty Action Group said it welcomed the government being more proactive on advance payments, but its chief executive, Alison Garnham, said: “Given the serious and wide-ranging concerns about nearly every aspect of universal credit, we had hoped for more on how the government plans to address the funding, policy design and administrative problems plaguing universal credit before it is rolled out to families.”

Meanwhile: Theresa May asked about woman who has 4p to her name due to Universal Credit.

Department for Work and Pensions data shows that 42 per cent of families in arrears under Universal Credit said it was due to the waiting time to receive payment, support being delayed or stopped, or administrative errors in the system.

From the Independent.

 

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Written by Andrew Coates

October 2, 2017 at 3:18 pm

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  1. More from the Happy Ship and Glee Club that is the Tory Conference.

    Andrew Coates

    October 2, 2017 at 4:19 pm

  2. The next stage of the rollout of Universal Credit to all claimants starts on Wednesday 4 October 2017.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/next-phase-in-rollout-of-universal-credit-confirmed

    The Welfare Reform Act 2012 (Commencement No. 17, 19, 22, 23 and 24 and Transitional and Transitory Provisions (Modification)) Order 2017

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2017/952/contents/made

    whoknew

    October 2, 2017 at 5:17 pm

    • whoknew

      I’ve been looking at the second link you posted. Are all these post codes the areas where people who are on legacy benefits like JSA going to be put on full service UC?

      jj joop

      October 2, 2017 at 7:41 pm

      • The government plans to start transferring people who are still on existing benefits or tax credits onto Universal Credit from July 2019

        see below for more info. jj

        whoknew

        October 4, 2017 at 8:44 am

    • On the bright side as the mess become unsupportable it should ruin Gauke’s reputation and career. Which is good because anybody behaving so irresponsibly as Gauke should not be allowed to have any political power.

      Goldfish

      October 3, 2017 at 6:41 am

  3. Time to test this advance.

    They say you can put in almost straight away but what if you haven’t been able to prove who you are which has to be done prior to a claim beginning processed ?

    When say a claimant goes from JSA to UC, does his original claim stand to validate and advance or do they have to again prove who they are.

    If someone has no required documents for proof of identity, does the claimant on an original legacy benefit get to stay on it until this bridge is crossed ?

    doug

    October 2, 2017 at 5:36 pm

    • I like many would think why does one need to prove who we are on UC when we have already done so on JC, if one is still receiving benefits?, but then it’s the DWP, they know not everyone has all the info required, I can see many people not being able to apply for UC because of this,

      Leading to many more people who find themselves homeless.

      whoknew

      October 2, 2017 at 7:37 pm

      • You don’t have to ID yourself when you go from JSA > ESA > JSA so why JSA/ESA > UC?

        Identity

        October 2, 2017 at 8:04 pm

  4. Conservatives arriving at their conference in Manchester faced “up to 30,000” people taking part in various protests.

    The vast majority of people exercised their democratic right to protest and did so in the spirit of their causes.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-41462576

    whoknew

    October 2, 2017 at 7:10 pm

    • IS THE MEDIA TURNING ALTERNATIVE? JULIE HESMONDHALGH AND THE SALFORD STAR SPEAK OUT

      Media for the Many, not the Few
      Monday, October 2nd 2pm-4pm
      The People’s Event Marquee, Piccadilly Gardens free

      http://www.salfordstar.com/article.asp?id=4119

      whoknew

      October 2, 2017 at 7:16 pm

      • Trying to compete maybe but alternate not.

        Mainstream is a fossil, knows its a fossil severely beaten in the data wars by any single human capable of uploading. No mainstream has ever been able to cover the globe, every subject. No mainstream has the research capability, the connections, the spontaneity.

        doug

        October 2, 2017 at 8:38 pm

      • doug the earth is flat tho 😉

        superted

        October 2, 2017 at 9:05 pm

      • Superted

        The flat earth concept is ancient and spun by back then, people of high standing.

        What im referring to is being there at that moment something you feel is relative is happening and uploading it. Take this latest incident,mostly all the evidence from everyday people on the ground. Having the ability to snap,upload,share and trend makes media irrelevant. The only thing left is closed door stories but sadly mainstream elects to not cover it dew to personal bias on a variety of subjects. Take ANTIFA, it took a youtube uploader to infiltrate them and ironically during that, its scene on camera how two predominate mainstream media outlets refused the data.

        doug

        October 3, 2017 at 9:13 am

  5. Reblogged this on sdbast.

    sdbast

    October 2, 2017 at 8:21 pm

  6. People hanging on 0345 numbers and no jobcentre phones no money and the holiday season approaching. “nothing in the cuboards over Christmas” being the message and he talks about mental health and the work coach.

    Encounters with these offer poor/no support and results are conditions will either be ignored/not mentioned or played down to a lesser inconvienience potentially a resulting sanction.

    Experience shows that doesn’t work and its a matter of time before this behaviour catches up potentailly aggravating mental health problems even more.Losing a job because of an undeclared disability is another real possiblity or someone believing jobcentre staff with learning difficulties that there is nothing wrong and being told everyone else does or because someone was told they did not have to mention it.Its the claiment that has to pick up the pieces at a tribunal or another backfired adviser runaround dead end idea.

    Once again another speech in four walls to a selected audience and a camera like so many others over the years’Will the result be different this time?

    ken

    October 2, 2017 at 9:55 pm

  7. Has there ever been any “reform” which has gone so obviously and disastrously wrong and not been changed to make it less bad, which has persistently been claimed to be a great success despite all the evidence to the contrary by the government that introduced it? Everybody knows how bad UC is and yet the powers that be resolutely refuse to do anything to make it better. God alone knows what the future holds.

    Goldfish

    October 3, 2017 at 6:32 am

    • Goldfish

      Yes, the the USA welfare reform that UC is based on brought in by Clinton back in the mid 90s and still runs today.

      doug

      October 3, 2017 at 9:17 am

      • Actually, doug, thinking about it the USA is worse because benefits are time-limited to five years worth per lifetime. Once you’ve clocked up five years of claiming you get nothing in most American states as far as I remember. Mind you I remember David Cameron floating the idea of reducing benefits, over time, to “encourage” people into work as if they had the choice.

        Goldfish

        October 3, 2017 at 11:55 am

      • You are comparing Donald Trump’s orange head with Theresa May’s melons. This is the basis of the argument advanced to time limit JSA to five years or less and then after withdraw ALL support. But what they don’t say is that five years of unemployment benefits in the USA is equivalent to 40-odd years of JSA. Plus there is always food-stamps* and whatnot in the USA. It is the old picking and choosing the bits that suit you game. UK and USA welfare/social security are two entirely different systems.

        Auuntie Samantha

        October 3, 2017 at 12:11 pm

      • One of the most controversial features of the 1990s welfare reforms was the imposition of time limits on benefit receipt. Time limits became a central feature of federal policy in the landmark 1996 welfare law, which created the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) block grant. The law prohibits states from using federal TANF funds to assist most families for more than 60 months. This FEDERAL fund. After this claimants are transferred to LOCALLY provided assistance programs which pay at an equivalent rate. It is like saying your FEDERAL JSA is cut of after five years but then the local authority takes over paying your JSA. It is nothing more than a technicality yet disingenuous commentators still use to to argue that (unemployment) benefits should be cut off after five years “just like in the USA” leaving claimants high and dry with absolutely no support whatsoever.

        Auuntie Samantha

        October 3, 2017 at 12:22 pm

      • with absolutely no support whatsoever, which in NOT the situation in the USA at all.

        Auuntie Samantha

        October 3, 2017 at 12:23 pm

      • Auuntie Samantha

        Very true but Trump has nothing to do with that particular reform where as May did as it was her parties watch while in office that introduced it. Its irrelevant she wasn’t PM at the time unless your saying she opposed it. Sure trump would no doubt like to add stuff but the underpinning fundamental principles were created under Bill Clintons watch.

        doug

        October 3, 2017 at 12:25 pm

      • It is like saying JSA is federally funded from national Government and Housing Benefit is locally funded from the council…

        Auuntie Samantha

        October 3, 2017 at 12:26 pm

      • Bill Clinton done a lot of bad things on his watch, really, really bad things.

        Monica Lewinsky

        October 3, 2017 at 12:28 pm

      • Auuntie Samantha

        Local federal, local central, same day different sh*t.
        Why, well its a thing we call time or more specifically the relation between two points moving at two speeds respectively.
        You see we like to think the UK is different yet that’s subjective.The USA is your future because that’s the decided standard at our current pinnacle globally. Apart from a few places that buck the trend which oh shock gasp horror, we just happen coincidentally like, attacking or destroying through manipulation, we are all playing on the same table yet like our clocks, are chronologically set at different states in the process.

        doug

        October 3, 2017 at 2:16 pm

      • Check this out.

        http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/the-99ers

        Is THIS where we are heading?

        Goldfish

        October 4, 2017 at 10:49 am

      • My next purchase will be a tent and sleeping bag, just incase.

        whoknew

        October 4, 2017 at 11:00 am

      • It’s been a while since I camped, the problem of where to pitch won’t be a problem in that future of ours.

        whoknew

        October 4, 2017 at 11:15 am

  8. What’s being done with your DNA?.

    sharing users’ DNA data with non-profit, business or government “collaborators”, some of whom pay for the information. .

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41470581

    whoknew

    October 3, 2017 at 9:08 am

    • Personal data isn’t really currency and non comes more personal.

      For ages, you go through a service, even one your paying for and your data is shared with little to no control as to whether its validated or not and to what extent it can be used. The joke is, everyone’s willingly and unknowingly consenting to it.

      The electronic age just amplified this practice with far to lose control and action by governing bodies. At the moment, you can consent not to but sadly this means you cant have whats being offered or in DWPs case, see yourself get sanctioned or threatened with if you don’t consent.

      doug

      October 3, 2017 at 9:26 am

  9. Hunt – new flexible working arrangements to be rolled out.- NHS.

    whoknew

    October 3, 2017 at 9:34 am

  10. Cyber attacks continue and so does our governments desire to put all our business online

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41478608

    “But the threat remains very real and growing – further attacks will happen and there is much more for us to do to make the UK the safest place in the world to live and do business online.”

    The NCSC is part of GCHQ, whose director Jeremy Fleming said threats to the UK were developing as fast as technological advances.

    Swaying political opinion is such a big deal yet your personal data isn’t.
    You don’t even have to use the internet to find yourself at risk because your government is more than happy to put up or allow it to be with underhanded law changes and threats of then your just have to go without. I ask you in what world do we call personal data your own but still say you have to opt out of it being used and abused.

    doug

    October 3, 2017 at 10:03 am

  11. Look whose making laws to penalize viewing ?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41479620

    Funny how if you want to get anything past the public and passed, you attach the T and E word to it. Well i warn you now like councils using terror laws to catch flytippers, that this is so going to be stretched and abused by our officials.

    You see words like hate, T and E are to say the least subjective terms and why our very government at both central and local levels can easily get away with using it to cover other things. The other day on TV i heard a presenter say, “racially motivated hate crime”. Is there another kind, is there say racially motivated love crime. All that matters is intent and racist motivation is more than enough to cover that base, emotion is irrelevant.
    We are allowing nondescript words into law that can and will (some already do) be used generically to have people even when there following the letter of the law.

    You watch just how long it will take to expand to cover even the simplest of things.

    doug

    October 3, 2017 at 10:23 am

    • 15 years in the slammer for watching a ‘beheading’ video on youtube? What a joke!

      Lockup

      October 3, 2017 at 12:49 pm

      • Anybody watching snuff movies should end up behind bars in Broadmoor.

        Angelis

        October 4, 2017 at 10:46 am

  12. Some light “relief”:

    It's Almost Laughable

    October 3, 2017 at 10:43 am

    • Indeed:

      Andrew Coates

      October 3, 2017 at 10:59 am

      • Diverse crowd! Er? Looks more like a bunch of fellow old Etonions.

        Nina

        October 3, 2017 at 12:32 pm

      • Girls NOT allowed.

        Goldfish

        October 3, 2017 at 2:12 pm

  13. And if you need further cheering-up, have a look at this – it’s almost laughable:

    It's Almost Laughable

    October 3, 2017 at 11:18 am

    • Anyone got any further experiences with these 0345/0845 numbers?

      It's Almost Laughable

      October 3, 2017 at 11:20 am

      • I once dialled an 090 number and a nice young lady called Dannii Harwood told me she would like to suck my c*ck.

        Poontang

        October 4, 2017 at 6:19 pm

  14. Would jobseekers please take more care of the signing on pads. Recently a lot of units have suffered deep scratches either as deliberate act of vandalism or through misuse. This has the unfortunate effect of making the units inoperable. We can ‘turn them upside down’ to extend their lifespan but this appears to be only a temporary solution as the ‘new’ signing area suffers the same damage. Signing on pads are not indestructible toys and must be treated with care. Your cooperation in this matter is appreciated.

    Ipswich Jobcentre Plus

    Ipswich Jobcentre Plus

    October 3, 2017 at 2:54 pm

    • use a pen and a piece of paper then because it is not mandatory to use them just more dwp lies.
      https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/248977/response/612754/attach/html/2/FoI%20request%20224%20reply.pdf.html

      superted

      October 3, 2017 at 3:19 pm

      • They have created claiment commitments with stock signatures.

        ken

        October 3, 2017 at 5:55 pm

    • Would Jobcentres please take more care of the claimants using the signing on pads. Recently a lot of us have suffered deep psychological scars either as a deliberate act of cruelty or through mistreatment. This has the unfortunate effect of making us indifferent to the needs of those deliberately inflicting suffering upon us. We sadly can not turn our wallets upside down to extend their contents but you seem to fail to consider this despite the financial burdens you lay upon us regardless of our dwindling funds. Signing on pads can be replaced; our lives can not and thus we must be treated with more care and concern. Your cooperation in this matter is appreciated.

      Ipswich Jobcentre Plus User.

      Jake Michaels

      October 3, 2017 at 3:28 pm

  15. Fury as Government WILL roll out universal credit over Christmas

    “All the experts are saying this is going to cause real harm. And yet he is pressing ahead”

    http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/fury-government-roll-out-universal-13709199

    ken

    October 3, 2017 at 5:53 pm

    • superted

      October 3, 2017 at 6:05 pm

    • It sure will be Ken for many.

      December 2017 – UC,

      Barking, Bishop Auckland, Brixton, Bude, Cheltenham, Consett, Cowdenbeath, Crook, Cupar, Dagenham, Dunfermline, Ealing, Ellesmere Port, Erdington, Glenrothes, Grimsby, Handsworth, Immingham, Kings Heath, Kirkcaldy, Launceston, Leven, Liskeard, Mitcham, Morriston, Neston, Northwich, Perry Barr, Reading, Retford, Selly Oak, Sittingbourne, Skelmersdale, Sparkhill, St Andrews, Stanley, Stockwell, Swansea, Winsford, Wolverhampton Chapel Court, Wolverhampton Molineaux House, Worksop. In Northern Ireland: Magherafelt and Coleraine.

      whoknew

      October 4, 2017 at 8:37 am

  16. superted

    October 3, 2017 at 6:06 pm

  17. T May to unveil plans to build more council homes, what next!

    whoknew

    October 4, 2017 at 7:54 am

    • In an attempt to outflank Jeremy Corbyn on the issue that drew young voters to Labour in the election, May will give Communities Secretary Sajid Javid the go-ahead for a raft of measures to boost public and private housebuilding.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-to-unveil-council-house-building-programme-party-conference-speech-sources-say_uk_59d3f3afe4b0218923e5ef11?utm_hp_ref=uk&utm_hp_ref=uk&-ukThe%20Waugh%20Zone%20041017

      whoknew

      October 4, 2017 at 8:27 am

      • In truth Labour promised a massive council house building programme in 1997, and, once elected, built fewer council houses than Margaret Thatcher did over their 13 year stint in office. May’s bullshit will peter out like a damp squib to I bet… or maybe she’ll change her mind and do a U-turn as per usual.

        Goldfish

        October 4, 2017 at 10:58 am

      • The last time there was massive council house building programmes, seriously massive council house building programmes was way back in the early 70s. The council housing waiting lists were cleared completely and it took a massive amount of council house building to achieve that. Is this what May has in mind?

        Rigsby

        October 4, 2017 at 11:45 am

      • Harold Wilson, Prime Minister 1964 to 1970; Edward Heath, Prime Minister 1970 to 1974. Not sure if it started under Wilson’s watch but a massive council house building programme was definitely underway under Heath’s watch. A Tory Government undertaking a massive council house building programme. Who would have thought. 🙂

        Rigsby

        October 4, 2017 at 11:50 am

      • Maybe May wants to build lots of council houses so that they can all be sold off further down the line. The economy will be then given a boost like back in the days of Maggie Thatcher when the profits were all pissed up against the wall on colour TVs, music centres and package holidays to Florida.

        Rigsby

        October 4, 2017 at 11:55 am

      • BBC News saying that Harold McMillan (Tory) spearheaded a massive council house building programme. And that most of then were then sold off under a future Tory Prime Minister, Maggie Thatcher.

        Rigsby

        October 4, 2017 at 12:12 pm

      • Theresa May’s speech: All the policies she stole from Jeremy Corbyn

        If many of the Prime Minister’s announcements sounded familiar, that’s because they were

        http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-policies-labour-stole-list-conference-speech-organ-donor-tuition-fees-a7983191.html

        whoknew

        October 4, 2017 at 5:22 pm

    • According to the BBC “a massive council house building programme”. At least it will have had the buy-to-let landlords choking on their property portfolio.

      Rackman

      October 4, 2017 at 9:37 am

      • I wouldn’t call 5,000 council houses a year – 20,000 to 25,000 for the whole of England – over four or five years “massive” by any stretch of the imagination.

        Poontang

        October 4, 2017 at 6:15 pm

    • Jezza has had his thunder stolen.

      Rackman

      October 4, 2017 at 9:39 am

    • Yep. A “massive” 20,000 homes by the end of the parliament for the whole of England. Fucking laughable!

      Poontang

      October 4, 2017 at 6:17 pm

      • Well the over abundance of immigrants have got to be housed somewhere!

        Foxglove

        October 4, 2017 at 7:25 pm

      • The local housing association is building brand-new houses around these parts. And like you say, foxglove, they are all being given to immigrants. Meanwhile, the indigenous population are living in tents pitched along the riverbank.

        Cardboard City

        October 5, 2017 at 12:57 am

  18. First use of new Scots welfare powers over Universal Credit

    The Scottish government plans use its new social security powers for the first time to increase the frequency of Universal Credit payments.

    Universal Credit itself remains reserved, but ministers will use new powers to give claimants the option to be paid fortnightly instead of monthly.

    The government also plans to offer to pay housing benefits direct to landlords rather than via claimants.

    The UK’s Department of Work and Pensions (DWP) will retain overall control over Universal Credit, the single payment for working-age people introduced by the UK government. However, the Scottish government is to take on powers to introduce some flexibilities over payments.

    A lot better than of the rest on UK, is is not.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-38601944

    whoknew

    October 4, 2017 at 8:05 am

  19. My other comment is again awaiting moderation, hopefully it will appear soon!

    I’m off for a sleep until my next shift!

    whoknew

    October 4, 2017 at 10:01 am

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    October 4, 2017 at 12:21 pm

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    October 4, 2017 at 12:31 pm

  22. whonew, superted, doug, etc.

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/do_i_need_to_provide_an_email_ad#incoming-1047387

    If I have read this recent reply to an FoI request correctly, then the managed migration of legacy benefit claimants, i.e. JSA and ESA, will not begin until 2019.

    Is this why we haven’t heard many complaints about the UC journal because only new claimants who don’t know any different are being compelled to use the journal?

    jj joop

    October 4, 2017 at 12:39 pm

    • JJ

      Remember this which is below that para.

      “We are still planning this activity and will make final decisions and announcements in due
      course. There is currently no policy or guidance available”.

      So the way it’s going it may be not until 2020/2021.

      whoknew

      October 4, 2017 at 4:58 pm

      • whonew

        May be never at this rate.

        jj joop

        October 4, 2017 at 6:19 pm

    • With people being laid off their jobs every day, somewhere, Monarch etc, how many people will be unemployed next year never mind 2019 +

      Comment by Goldfish above, http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/the-99ers I think sums up the future for millions in UK and eleswhere.

      Universal Credit roll-out ‘depressing news for poorer families’

      Frank Field, Chair of the Work and Pensions Committee

      “It is not too late to pause it now and stop these problems snowballing to a near inevitable Christmas crisis and beyond. Far better to return to the rollout once the adjustments Government is already planning in recognition of these problems are in place, and shown to be working.

      Claimants of benefits and tax credits being replaced by universal credit are expected to be migrated to the new system from early 2019, with completion expected no later than 2022-23.

      http://www.welfareweekly.com/universal-credit-roll-out-depressing-news-for-poorer-families/

      whoknew

      October 4, 2017 at 8:32 pm

      • THAT will be when the shit REALLY hits the fan because EVERYBODY of working-age will be affected. Men, women and children. Singletons, couples, partnerships with children, sick and disabled people – everybody. The system is bollocks now so imagine what it is going to be like when everybody, many with ever-changing and complex circumstances, in work or unemployed, has to maintain their claim and manage their claim online and over the phone without any local office to go to. EIGHT MILLION PEOPLE OR MORE! How the government, even a government as bad as this one, must be insane to pursue this programme to what we all realised, long ago, would be a hopeless and tragic conclusion. I don’t think any respectable organisation or expert these days supports the roll out of Universal Credit in its current form and yet on we go like lemmings over the edge of an ice floe.

        The perfect storm: frozen, capped and inadequate benefits, unworkable welfare, intransigent government, and unjust costs like Council Tax and deductions, e.g., repayment of any “advance” received when applying for Universal Credit, which can amount to a loss of up to 50% of your entitlements.

        Eventually the house of cards will collapse.

        But not before terrible anguish, pain and misery has been inflicted on those least able to bear it.

        Goldfish

        October 5, 2017 at 9:12 am

    • jj joop

      DWP are no strangers to changing the game when it suits them so i would look at this as nothing more than a projection that for all we know dates back to a time they knew they had screwed up the original UC software.
      DWP don’t openly advertise there strategy so its an answer i cant currently answer.
      All i can say is a single homeless person cannot as yet claim UC as they neither have phone or home address required by the system that prevents an online claim being made when not entered. With this increased prove who you are, its even more unlikely as this sort of person wont have such documents.

      If the digital system still adopts this practice, it tends to tell us that DWP as yet, still haven’t factored in such people as it should be able to cater for all types of people.

      doug

      October 5, 2017 at 11:38 am

  23. from the fb groups i look at the sheep believe everything the dwp says even doing essays for the 35hr a week job search then wonder why they have been sanctioned and a ase doubt raised.

    because all there interested in is job applications and proof of thus a easy way to trip ppl up to gain a sanction.

    under law i dont have to give the dwp a phone number email address or cv to claim benefits and i cant see how uc will change this as above foi they dont even know themselves yet still ask for it over and over again.

    DSC_0004

    now i have been given directions to prove i have the above but i dont have to give it them to put on record/lms.

    just seems to me under uc they lie to get past the dpa and get the journal set up asap cos when its done its done as you agreed to use it.

    like i was told buy law i had to sign provider contracts and that went down like the titanic pmsl.

    superted

    October 4, 2017 at 2:11 pm

    • Like you say, the sheep will believe anything the DWP tell them. I met quite a few people like that on the WP. I still see some of them now at the JC. You can’t help them. If they ask me about anything, I just fob them off, otherwise they’ll just end up dragging me down with them. I mean, I try and help people as a rule. But some people you just have to avoid, if only for self-preservation.

      jj joop

      October 4, 2017 at 3:22 pm

      • Some people are too far gone. You can’t help them. Save yourself.

        Labby Botomy

        October 4, 2017 at 4:02 pm

      • People do.Many walk in to the DWP and don’t expect the culture that exists.To be honest no one would.Those I’ve spoken to you can hear in a conversation the anger in their Its the same with following the Conservative message people do again.In both cases theres a price to be paid.

        It was the same back in the 80’s people were hanging on every word Thatcher said.They were even walking around saying “you can’t buck the market”.The same people who when it all went wrong in the early 90’s didn’t see them again finding out through frends they couln’t afford it and had to move.It lead to a culure of risk.People thinking above themselves.Conceited attitudes aind intolorence also an enviornment of envy.A Conservative Britain isn’t a nice place to live.

        ken

        October 4, 2017 at 4:24 pm

    • To be honest Jobcentre Staff don’t seem to understand the rules any better than claimants and seem to “shoot first and ask questions later” raising doubts wholesale and leaving it to anonymous decision makers to judge who is guilty and who is innocent. Trouble is, as superted has shown, these decision makers also seem clueless and throw their weight around inappropriately. The whole system is flawed. There should be fixed and clearly understood rights and rules so that everybody knows where they are. Claimant Commitments should not be drawn up by “negotiation” between claimants and Work Coaches, because we all know that Work Coaches persistently mislead, that is to say lie, to claimants sometimes deliberately and some times accidentally.

      The Universal Credit system is rotten from its core to its skin.

      Goldfish

      October 5, 2017 at 9:19 am

  24. Some generous soul just donated a bag of 40-year-old macaroni to a food bank

    http://metro.co.uk/2017/10/04/some-generous-soul-just-donated-a-bag-of-40-year-old-macaroni-to-a-food-bank-6976996/

    ken

    October 4, 2017 at 4:27 pm

    • Must have been a Tory.

      Goldfish

      October 5, 2017 at 8:21 am

      • Yea. If shit were valuable the Tories would pass laws to sew up the arseholes of the poor.

        Manuel Stimulation

        October 5, 2017 at 8:22 am

    • That would be about the last time I ate macaroni cheese….

      Andrew Coates

      October 5, 2017 at 9:47 am

  25. Pro-Brexit Tory MP tells jobless to ‘get on their bikes’ and work on farms alongside ‘gorgeous EU women’

    Tory MP Craig Mackinlay tells jobless young men to ‘get on their bikes’ and get summer farm jobs working alongside ‘loads of gorgeous EU women’

    Phrasing echoes an infamous comment made by Tory politician Norman

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/tory-mp-tells-jobless-to-work-on-farms-alongside-gorgeous-eu-women-a3648876.html

    ken

    October 4, 2017 at 4:32 pm

  26. Penzance is ‘plagued by poverty, drug misuse and homelessness’

    http://www.cornwalllive.com/news/penzance-plagued-poverty-drug-misuse-573784

    ken

    October 4, 2017 at 4:35 pm

  27. Worrying rise in the number of ‘very distressed women’ who are homeless

    Welfare cuts and ‘turning off the taps to local councils’ are affecting how authorities can support homeless people, the founder of the Big Issue has said

    Not so long ago he was calling it tough love.

    http://metro.co.uk/2017/10/04/worrying-rise-in-the-number-of-very-distressed-women-who-are-homeless-6975181/

    ken

    October 4, 2017 at 4:37 pm

  28. Theresa May’s ‘make or break’ speech descends into farce

    Theresa May was the victim of a prank and a disintegrating stage set and suffered a coughing fit

    During a delivery that was at times difficult to watch, a prankster handed her a P45 in front of hundreds of party members and there were uncomfortable pauses as she repeatedly lost her voice, before croaking and coughing through long sections.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-speech-prank-p45-conference-descends-into-farce-a7983051.html

    whoknew

    October 4, 2017 at 5:25 pm

    • whoknew

      October 4, 2017 at 7:23 pm

    • The hag is jinxed. Anything that cab go wrong does go wrong. (My favourite bit was the letters dropping off the sign behind her filmed in real-time.) What is sad is that whoever replaces her will almost certainly be much crueller and even worse. The bad days haven’t even begun.

      Goldfish

      October 5, 2017 at 8:34 am

      • To be fair, her off-the-cuff (unless the whole event was scripted) ‘jokes’ were lol funny “What a surprise the Chancellor giving something away for nothing 😀 ” [In response to Hammond gave her a throat lozenge], “Next the Chancellor will be saying there will be a price to pay 😀 “, and another couple which were drowned out, can’t remember. At least May has a sense of humour, she would make a better stand-up act than Jezza, although she is probably paving the way for Have I Got News For You Type quiz shows for when she is finally ousted.

        RFLMAO

        October 5, 2017 at 9:44 am

      • And who was the trouble-maker guy with the concorde nose who stormed the stage at the end?

        RFLMAO

        October 5, 2017 at 9:45 am

      • The whole event scripted? Like the coughing, lozenges, gulping back the water, letters falling off the sign behind May. Even the prankster was embarrassing if he was ‘scripted’. Comedians are going to have a field day on this.

        PMSL

        October 5, 2017 at 1:40 pm

      • May gulped back that water so fast she almost spilt in on her front and took out her microphone. Now, that WOULD have been a disaster: “Can you hear me?”

        PMSL

        October 5, 2017 at 1:43 pm

    • The prankster is Simon Brodkin.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Brodkin

      He’s taken the piss out of the rich and powerful like no-one else. One of my favourites is him dumping a bagful of golf balls with Nazi swastikas on them in front of Donald Trump, which wiped the smile off the face of the old fucker while visiting one of his golf courses in Scotland.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Brodkin

      Goldfish

      October 5, 2017 at 12:21 pm

      • Back in the day the Tories used to hire ‘hecklers’ so whoever was on the platform giving a speech at their conference could put them down with a witty retort. The whole conferences were ‘stage-managed’ right down to the ‘heckler’. But then again, Tony Blair had an 84-year-old guy dragged out of the arena for heckling him, so you never know with these things.

        Conference Goer

        October 5, 2017 at 1:49 pm

  29. Fears for Swindon’s homeless as winter closes in

    Last month, the Adver revealed that the number of households in Swindon considered homeless has risen by 78 per cent over the last five years,

    The introduction of Universal Credit has caused other problems, he said: “The other side of it is the sheer amount of time it takes to process the claims – you’re looking at an absolute minimum of six weeks. You don’t have a local office where you can talk to people, and the staff who deal with this are not equipped to deal with these claims – this is making the wait time even longer.”

    http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/15576492.Fears_for_Swindon__39_s_homeless_as_winter_closes_in/

    ken

    October 4, 2017 at 6:10 pm

  30. Disabled woman forced to quit job by ‘Disability Confident’ government

    A disabled woman has been forced to quit her job because two “Disability Confident” government organisations refused to allow her to use one of the parking spaces close to the offices where she worked.

    https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/disabled-woman-forced-to-quit-job-by-disability-confident-government/

    ken

    October 4, 2017 at 6:26 pm

  31. Hunt – Stretched GP clinics may have to ban newcomers to ensure patient safety.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nhs-gps-patients-ban-safety-warning-a7983736.html

    whoknew

    October 5, 2017 at 8:23 am

    • Wales have already adopted this Nazi policy and the Scottish Nazi Party (SNP) up in Scotchland are hot on their heels. Best thing do is to ‘opt out’ (unless you want your organs ripped out when you are still alive). Not that it will make any difference; your opt-out record will have ‘gone missing’, the ‘health care professionals’ will just use a form of words, “you could save a life 🙂 ” to trick the relatives. Hospitals are just as duplicitous and devious as the Jobcentre.

      Say NO to Organ Theft

      October 5, 2017 at 9:56 am

    • For what it’s worth Wales have an, like universal credit online only, opt-out form. England and Scotchland should have similar:

      https://www.organdonation.nhs.uk/register-to-donate/refuse-to-donate/

      Say NO to Organ Theft

      October 5, 2017 at 10:01 am

  32. Backlash from businesses as PM vows to cap ‘rip-off’ energy bills

    Well they would do, however it’s T may that vows it!

    whoknew

    October 5, 2017 at 9:30 am

    • She said this before and did nothing. I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for May to do anything, ever.

      Jesus

      October 5, 2017 at 5:38 pm

  33. The best way out of the debt and homelessness we have and will inflict on you, is work.

    Work that will insure the here today, gone tomorrow low wage business practices we allow mirrors the instability you have or will come to expect from our welfare reform.

    Our aim is to keep you alive, not out of debt as you have to pay for your American counterparts sole responsibility in causing the sub prime collapse.

    Now wouldn’t that be a more honest Tory speech.

    doug

    October 5, 2017 at 10:25 am

  34. A spokesman for the Department for Work and Pensions, which is responsible for the rollout of UC, said: “Universal Credit lies at the heart of our commitment to help people improve their lives and raise their incomes “It provides additional, tailored support to help people move into work and stop claiming benefits.

    Well how true is that statement, how many have stopped claiming any benefits including housing benefit and tax credits. How many are off benefits completely, how many on off benefits or is this where the comment ” people are moving into work faster and staying in work longer” ?

    If its working, if its getting people totally off benefits then why say “staying in work longer” ?

    doug

    October 5, 2017 at 10:47 am

    • Or back into, WORK QUICKLY says DWP

      Monarch Airlines in administration – claiming redundancy payments & other support .

      Redundancy Factsheet for employees

      Redundancies are challenging for everyone There is help to find a new job, manage finances, and
      understand benefits available. Getting the right information when you are made redundant is essential
      and there are anextensive range of services that Jobcentre Plus and its partners offer to help you back
      into WORK QUICKLY

      https://www.gov.uk/government/news/monarch-airlines-in-administration-claiming-redundancy-payments

      whoknew

      October 5, 2017 at 11:11 am

      • The real reason the DWP want to know about ‘redundancy payments’ is so that they can treat it as ‘capital’ and dock any benefits accordingly.

        Monarch of the Glen

        October 5, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    • If there’s one thing i have learned from schemes like the work programme and its recent incarnations is that most claimants don’t move into permanent work. For the majority its an in out affair, hopes given, hopes dashed. Now ive taken the time to speak to hundreds of these people over different areas and it was interesting to find that most barely got themselves out of debt, only to be plunged back into it the moment work stopped.
      I must say i found it amazing that super large firms like amazon,ebay,boots,yodel,etc couldn’t offer permanent work which is a worrying trend as its a sure bet SME’s being less financially capable are even far less likely.

      So when you told its a view to be possibly permanent, ask exactly what they mean, ask what specific boxes including any math you have to tick in order to be guaranteed full time permanent employment. When you guaranteed an interview, log the outcome. Even if you go from place to place,job to job record how much of that tax year (a tax year runs April to April) you were actually in work.

      Lets start working out the work pie, how much is permanent, how much is temp and which side is growing. Forget hours and pay, just concentrate on length of employment one employer at a time and being with an agency does not count as one employer (log the different contracts they put you on as government use this to mask permanent and temporary work).

      doug

      October 5, 2017 at 12:11 pm

    • Monarch of the Glen

      All monies received from an employer count as taxable income (more ways than one) so you have to be sharp as a cat.
      In the case of redundancy its a severance, meaning it comes after the fact so in effect counts as a period of work.

      https://www.gov.uk/redundant-your-rights/redundancy-pay

      This means the total amount can be broken down into weeks of work and minuses from entitled benefits.

      Accrued holiday pay however can be a trickier subject for DWP as you accrue and can use it every month. So basically if you can demonstrate you asked for the accrued time off every month and was refused, then it falls under that tax month accrued and not after work ends.

      https://www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-rights/calculate-leave-entitlement

      You not really going to just be able to pocket it unless you arrange with the employer to mark it down as holidays despite the fact your off work anyway.
      Example – you work Mon to Fri with Sat and Sun off. if your entitled to say 1.75 days holiday pay, you get the employer to subtract on the last week of the month, this value from your Sat and Sun off.
      So on payroll it looks like for that week you worked 6 and 3 quarter days even though you were sat at home doing nothing on Sat and Sun.

      doug

      October 5, 2017 at 2:44 pm

  35. Superted

    Is DWP appealing or have they officially accepted the courts verdict in your case as sadly i need to move on from this website to concentrate on the NHS and our economics that’s consuming the majority of my time.
    Im still a supporter of the website, will be looking in, reading articles but will be abstaining from entering any debates or posts. I feel i can assist poverty better if i address it at a mass level rather than individual approaches of debating it as separates. By taking it on economically i can appeal to a wider audience and demonstrate to the working public safe from insecurity, how negatives still effect them financially.
    If your position is still unknown, just put a candle out as so to speak every so and so and i will be in touch as im still with you to completion.

    doug

    October 5, 2017 at 12:31 pm

    • no they have given up as also paid me for the 4 week sanction a week after adviser has been sanctioned as now been shoved in a corner and just signs ppl on and have also been given a new adviser to go play with now.

      when i went in it did not look very happy so got my tribunal letter out to rub there face in it 😉

      superted

      October 5, 2017 at 1:08 pm

      • If theres a disability involved then its wise not to share personal information.Being from the the Jobcentre places people at risk of problems often their not interested in people sent from the DWP also people have no control over whats being said behind their back .

        Many years ago on New Deal I was mistreated working at a charity shop.It wasn’t until another member of staff a volunteer complained any action was taken and.I dont recommend these mandatory activitities because of this unfair situation that can develop.

        ken

        October 5, 2017 at 1:39 pm

      • they sent me on mwa at army of angles a few years ago and was told via face book i was a smelly tramp and was a reject from society that was not wanted at there store.

        i think it was because i pointed out that ten ppl in a small store had to ques up for use of the dust pan and brush.

        was given 10 quid to do one and went straight down the jcp to tell them what they have done and was not interested.

        and i got a sanction for non attendance as well but never went past the dm adviser got sanctioned for that as well and dumped on the uc desk and been there ever since.

        superted

        October 5, 2017 at 1:48 pm

      • Superted

        In that case i give you final concrete congratulations for how you handled it all.

        You cant beat a solid legal argument and the person who resided over it knew that despite being less than candid in the final part of his statement.

        doug

        October 5, 2017 at 2:17 pm

      • they sent me on mwa at army of angles a few years ago and was told via face book i was a smelly tramp and was a reject from society that was not wanted at there store.

        i think it was because i pointed out that ten ppl in a small store had to ques up for use of the dust pan and brush.

        That sounds like it Superted.There was complaints previous here to the abuse I received but the Jobcentre at the time ignored it saying the New Deal adviser wouldn’t like it if the placement just ended because of a reference.The Volunteer obtained who was sending people to this shop and after speaking to the manager the rest of the placement was spent at their office.

        The manager also picked on a man sent from the probation service the clock was always five minutes fast and said she would report him to his probation officer for being late.

        ken

        October 5, 2017 at 4:39 pm

    • Back in the day the naughty cockraoches had least had a podium to stand behind, now they are just stood behind the doors as if they are on the way out.

      Ipswich Jobcentre User

      October 5, 2017 at 1:23 pm

    • Doug

      What mass audience? Give us a few pointers to where we can join in like websites, whatever.

      Doug's Audience

      October 5, 2017 at 1:28 pm

      • Exactly, what mass audience. Oh yeah, the one in crazy town (doug’s megalomania).

        good riddance doug

        October 5, 2017 at 7:48 pm

      • Off you go doug. Ipswich Unemployed Action belongs to me, now. Oh, you’re my wife now.

        sen

        October 5, 2017 at 7:50 pm

      • Oh it wouldn’t be a good days ending if i couldn’t spend a little time addressing my special needs troll fanbase now would it. Cant be biased now and selfish.

        Hmmm, wider audience gets TWISTED to mass audience, a little incontinence there lads.

        I get it, you didnt have your glasses on and completely missed i quote ” level rather than individual approaches of debating it as separates. By taking it on economically i can appeal to a wider”.

        I tell you what as reading and interpreting sentence constructs isn’t your strong point, here’s a video instead to help you understand what true megalomania looks like

        doug

        October 5, 2017 at 9:34 pm

      • doug

        October 5, 2017 at 10:01 pm

      • short answer is we lied to get the money we dont care if we cant do it on time we dont care if ppl cant get there or have access to the site we hope that ppl die b4 the assessment.

        we need more money 😉

        superted

        October 5, 2017 at 10:10 pm

      • Superted

        Anyone making not even a deep investigation can work out tendering for government contracts is a crooked game. Serco, concentrix, atos, g4s, A4e to name a few, all caught out one way or another yet most still get awarded public sector contracts. Like our government, it wasn’t us and we have lesson to learn , much to do.
        Look how many time government has claimed to revise WCA, pip yet still we hear tons of people complain the same stuff and courts overturning decisions. If government introduced sanctions for failure to successfully revise pip,wca, they would still be on a 3 year sanction x 2 if we consider a change of leadership, that 6 years of their 7 year leadership.

        Whats interesting about that video was it wasn’t long after ATOS declared themselves as victims of hate and bad press and pulled out. It was really a re brand however as they handed over mostly all of there centers and staff to maximus who eerily shared quite a few of the same top brass.

        doug

        October 5, 2017 at 11:25 pm

    • Beat it doug.

      good riddance doug

      October 5, 2017 at 7:45 pm

  36. ‘In a year, not one payment correct’: a council tenant on the misery of universal credit

    The government has been warned by councils, charities and now even its own backbenchers that universal credit is a social policy disaster. But how does it feel to be on the receiving end of this controversial benefits overhaul?

    https://www.theguardian.com/housing-network/2017/oct/05/impact-universal-credit-video-council-tenant

    ken

    October 5, 2017 at 1:10 pm

    • If it’s like that for council – how is it for housing associations?

      Gazza

      October 5, 2017 at 5:48 pm

  37. New Scotland-only options for Universal Credit begin

    PEOPLE receiving Universal Credit in Scotland now have more options aimed at stopping debt and homelessness.

    The so-called “Scottish Flexibilities” mean new online claimants can choose to have Universal Credit paid fortnightly rather than monthly, as is standard.

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15575755.New_Scotland_only_options_for_Universal_Credit_begin/

    ken

    October 5, 2017 at 1:12 pm

  38. My husband got some pig’s trotters, yellow stickered on Morrison’s last night. They were 11p for 2. What are your favourite recipes please to give me ideas.

    Linda W - Feed Yourself for £1 a Day on Universal Credit Survival

    October 5, 2017 at 2:03 pm

    • Never been tempted to try them myself. I bought a quarter pig once and I made sausages from the part of the head but shoved the trotter in the freezer for one day. I thought I might boil it up to make the jelly for a raised pie. It might still be there for all I know, right at the bottom encased in ice. I once saw a stallholder at a Ipswich car boot sale gnawing on a pigs trotter. They eat anything there.

      Sally K

      October 5, 2017 at 2:07 pm

    • Boil them up and use the stock to make soup. Batch cook and you could feed a family of four for a week.

      Pat Parker

      October 5, 2017 at 2:09 pm

  39. Pat Parker

    October 5, 2017 at 2:12 pm

    • Al; I need is seven fishes and seven loaves of bread from my local Aldi and I can feed a crowd.

      Jesus

      October 5, 2017 at 5:30 pm

  40. Full list of Jobcentres to be axed across Scotland revealed – and the dates they’re due to shut down

    The Department for Work and Pensions will close 13 job centres across the country over the next six months.

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/full-list-jobcentres-axed-across-11292913

    ken

    October 5, 2017 at 4:22 pm

    • Broxburn closes tomorrow, 6th October. These closures seem to be confined to Jockland though. Seems like we are safe down south 🙂

      Soft Southerner

      October 5, 2017 at 7:06 pm

  41. Someone donated a 50-year-old tin of soup to a Cardiff foodbank

    The kidney-flavoured soup is so old Heinz don’t make it anymore

    The rusty tin of Heinz ‘ready to eat’ Kidney Soup, priced at 10d or 10p in old money was handed into to the Trussell Trust Cardiff Food Bank on Wednesday.

    http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/someone-donated-50-year-old-13721614

    After the cat litter in a coffee jar incident is any of this really safe to hand out?

    ken

    October 5, 2017 at 4:28 pm

  42. Homelessness in the UK is a state of emergency, says Big Issue founder

    Lord John Bird, 71, said that the Government is wasting hundreds of thousands of pounds to prolong poverty, rather than working to prevent it.

    http://metro.co.uk/2017/10/05/homelessness-in-the-uk-is-a-state-of-emergency-says-big-issue-founder-6980037/

    ken

    October 5, 2017 at 4:54 pm

  43. Whistleblower says Jobcentre staff are encouraged to be cruel.

    Many of know already know of this while many don’t yet know.

    whoknew

    October 5, 2017 at 5:00 pm

  44. Philip Hammond expected to forecast ‘nasty’ outlook for UK public finances – Brexit.

    If the Office for Budget Responsibility downgrades its future productivity growth forecast, as is likely, that will mean a hit to the public finances

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uk-economy-forecast-autumn-budget-outlook-public-finances-philip-hammond-nasty-a7984841.html

    whoknew

    October 5, 2017 at 5:14 pm

    • Father, forgive the idiotic Brexiters, for they knew not what they did.

      Jesus

      October 5, 2017 at 5:36 pm

      • Jesus

        I have to disagree – it’s all good as the Brexiters are taking back control:

        Less jobs
        Knock on effect to pensions
        company profits [that will get tory attention]
        and for councils receipts
        NHS/Other public services

        etc etc

        its all good… Not. And we have the looming disaster called UC coming to all the Fool Brexiters near you who voted for it – right soon.

        And they’ll be moaning its all the EU’s Fault/Anti-Brexiters/everyone else…

        … but never their own foolishness

        Gazza

        October 5, 2017 at 5:46 pm

    • My bet would be an extension of the benefit freeze, or below inflation increases in benefits after 2020, until 2025 if the Tories win the next general election.

      Jesus

      October 5, 2017 at 5:40 pm

      • I DON’T LIKE GAMBLING, SON!!!

        Lord God of Hosts

        October 5, 2017 at 5:41 pm

      • Sorry, Dad.

        Jesus

        October 5, 2017 at 5:42 pm

      • Theresa May locked in ‘Mexican stand-off’ with plotters trying to oust her ……

        whoknew

        October 6, 2017 at 4:01 am

  45. Colchester Food Bank issues advice after receiving donations some 40 years out of date

    Colchester Food Bank has reminded people not to donate out of date food, after discovering pasta and mash potato packets decades past their best before date.

    http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/colchester-food-bank-issues-advice-after-receiving-donations-some-40-years-out-of-date-1-5220675

    ken

    October 5, 2017 at 8:40 pm

  46. Elea Ann is feeling angry.
    New member · 8 hrs
    So you all saw my post the other day that we’re getting jack shit due to UC being completely non-logical about paydays. 😑
    They responded saying we could go don’t a certain route but likely not to get anywhere as my partner was paid twice within one AP. 😤
    This was my response. Too rude? 🙈
    👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻
    We aren’t saying that he didn’t receive the payments within the AP because yes he was paid on the 31st August and the 29th September. The point is this isn’t a logical assessment. He is still paid 12 times a year, being once a month. Therefore I should receive 12 payments over the year. It is ridiculous that this isn’t taken in logically. We cannot be the only family where a pay day is on the last date of the month, but if this falls on a weekend or bank holiday then it’s paid on the closest previous business day. You will do this to us in December and February. You’re leaving us with a child that has heart conditions, sleep apnea AND a dairy allergy without us being able to pay all of our bills. We can’t even afford to do a food shop. This shouldn’t even be a debate or a discussion, it should be a logical process that my partner is paid ONCE a month at the end of every month. Because the payday fell on a Saturday he received payment the closest previous business day. We get that it falls into the same AP but that payday is still to go toward the NEXT month’s worth of bills and living expenses. I’m unsure how you can expect us to survive on only his pay when there’s 2 adults and a child that is only 1 years of age with extra dietary requirements (have you seen how much more expensive dairy free milk and food is, and for much less of it I may add) to deal with myself not receiving payment. You encourage families to work, yet we are penalised for him doing JUST that. Yes we will get ‘more’ next month, but as you repeated, THAT DOESN’T HELP US NOW. Are you aware that one of the biggest reasons that families struggle with Mental Health etc is due to the effects of money? I have PTSD, anxiety, depression and Agoraphobia. You’re exacerbating the symptoms of those illnesses due to your incompetence. I shouldn’t have to chase this, this should be dealt with LOGICALLY!

    what a fkn joke and see it time and again on fb groups shit going to hit the fan big time next 6 months.!

    superted

    October 5, 2017 at 11:36 pm

    • Maria Hughes
      3 hrs
      My conversation with a new work coach today😂:
      – So what is your budget for childcare if you work full time?
      – XX pm: drop off/pick up and 3.5 hours until I get back. Plus extra 2-3 days a month full day when he’s off sick.
      – *shouting* YOU DON’T NEED TO BUDGET FOR HIS SICK DAYS! WHAT IF IT DOESN’T HAPPEN? AND IF IT HAPPENS YOU JUST WORK SOMETHING OUT, YOU KNOW, PLAY IT BY EAR..!
      – Erm.. sorry but I disagree. He’s just started school so he’s off quite a lot, catching every bug around so it’s only rational I plan for it in advance..
      – NO! THAT’S A VERY NEGATIVE ATTITUDE! YOU ARE PLANNING FOR THE WORST! YOU DEPRIVE YOURSELF OF OPPORTUNITIES WITH ALL THAT OVERTHINKING!
      – Ok, so what do I do when he’s off sick and I have no money for a babysitter?
      – ASK YOUR FRIENDS, YOUR NEIGHBOURS (what?), YOUR SIBLINGS (don’t have any but thanks)! OR JUST GIVE HIM NUROFEN AND SEND TO SCHOOL ANYWAY OR TAKE HIM WITH YOU TO WORK (wtf?)!
      Wtf was that?! Am I being completely irrational? I can imagine my neighbour’s face: “knock, knock, it’s Maria from flat 4, do you mind to look after my child with a rotavirus for 10 hours. Please?” 😬😂

      superted

      October 5, 2017 at 11:39 pm

      • Helen Hair
        39 mins · Prescot
        Another month with a 1 p payment because of the 5 payday month what a fucking joke this is /its Oct getting close to xmas An my sons birthday an I’m screwed once again all because I work – being on benefits pays not working it’s a joke the county’s on its arse !

        superted

        October 5, 2017 at 11:42 pm

      • This universal credit shit needs to be scrapped – seriously!

        Jack Shit

        October 6, 2017 at 8:46 am

    • Strange, very strange. You would expect there to be 12 ‘payment due’ dates a year or TAM (take as made) as the Jobcentre would say at the end of each calendar month. The payment should be processed on that day. What does bank holiday supposedly delaying the payment processing until the next month which a complete load of old bollocks anyway meaning that that two payments are processed within the same calendar month mean that the claimant should not be entitled to a months payment. If this is such a concern why not process the UC payment earlier like JSA etc used to be over the Christmas and New Year period. This is REALLY just taking the piss.

      Jack Shit

      October 6, 2017 at 8:38 am

    • “Because the payday fell on a Saturday he received payment the closest previous business day.” So it is paid earlier meaning that you have been paid twice within one month meaning you are not entitled to next months payment? Un-fucking-believable!

      Jack Shit

      October 6, 2017 at 8:44 am

  47. OT: Illustration of impact of UC on homelessness

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-41519353/housing-crisis-bbc-finds-families-in-disused-pub
    Housing crisis: BBC finds families in disused pub [“It’s a Trap we have no Escape”]

    On Wednesday, Theresa May announced an additional £2bn for affordable homes.
    It comes at a time when the highest number of families in a decade are being forced to live in emergency accommodation in England.
    Cuts to welfare and a lack of affordable accommodation have left tens of thousands of families homeless.

    ME: What use is extra funding if rents rise ever higher? Or as the lady says, called hundreds/thousands and Landlords say on hearing UC, NO… Hell No.
    This is the disaster that is going to come post roll out – increasingly even Tory [would you believe it, Tory!] MPs are getting worried.

    Gazza

    October 6, 2017 at 6:06 am

  48. Plot to oust Theresa May involves around 30 Tory MPs including Brexiteers and Remainers, ringleader Grant Shapps says

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-plot-tory-mps-grant-shapps-brexiteers-remainers-conservative-cabinet-leader-latest-a7985861.html

    whoknew

    October 6, 2017 at 8:20 am


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