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Iain Duncan Smith 

Iain Duncan Smith: Covering Himself Against Regime Collapse.

This caught my eye, and doubtless plenty of others, this morning when I bought my copy of the claimants’ favourite daily, The ‘I’.

After a recent  flop as a Radio 2 Presenter Iain Duncan Smith is flaying around looking for a new role and purpose in life.

Iain Duncan Smith says work capability assessments don’t work and are ‘too harsh’

Former minister for Work and Pensions Iain Duncan Smith has admitted that work capability assessments given to sick people are “too harsh” and offer a “cliff edge” choice between work and no work.

He added that this “cliff edge” view of work and illness adds stress to the process and encourages people to misrepresent their conditions to assessors.

Speaking at an event held by the Spectator magazine and the Joseph Rowntree Foundation on The Conservative Route to Fighting Poverty, Duncan Smith said that these issues prompted the DWP to review the Work Capability Assessments (WCA) system of assessments a total of five times.

It was quite obvious to us that the system was far too narrow, was acting in a far too harsh manner and was making judgements about people,” he said. He added that despite these reviews, which helped “soften” these effects slightly, the system remains flawed: “The whole process of having a benefit that says you are either too sick to work or you can work, actually works against the nature of how people think of themselves,” he said.

Mr Duncan Smith, like Secret Police Chief  Lavrentiy Pavlovich Beria, after the death of Stalin, now claims that he was secretly planning to change the whole system all along:

Towards the end of his time as minister, before his departure from the department in May 2016, Duncan Smith had started to formulate plans to totally reshape the way these assessments were done.

“I came to the conclusion that it was time to review the whole way we do this and remove the cliff edge,” he said. “The cliff edge tempts people to make wrong declarations. And it means that whatever assessment you’re making becomes very critical, which adds extra stress.” He argued a system where someone could be deemed fit for some work, or a certain number of hours a week, would remove much of this strain. The current system, he added, works “directly against” getting people into work: “If you’re in work you’re likely to be healthier. Given all of that, the benefit we have works directly against that. It forces people out of the work environment rather than keeping them in.”

On a roll ‘Beria’ Duncan Smith is now going all out for radical reform in a last-ditch bid to save the ‘system’.

Speaking to a newspaper close to the crumbling ruling regime, The Sun, he said yesterday:

BAN THE BLOCKS

Iain Duncan Smith calls for an end to tower blocks in Britain and demands higher taxes on empty luxury homes

The ex-minister said that tower blocks should be replaced by ‘low-rise buildings’ in the wake of Grenfell Tower disaster

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Written by Andrew Coates

June 30, 2017 at 3:41 pm

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  1. Reblogged this on MAL's MURMURINGS.

    hirsutemal

    June 30, 2017 at 4:00 pm

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    snaithmagmailcom

    June 30, 2017 at 4:04 pm

  3. Really

    Hollywood would be embarrassed making up such lies. so he’s seen the light which has overcome his beliefs – after a few unfortunate deaths – but lessons have been learned…

    Really

    gazza

    June 30, 2017 at 4:06 pm

    • The lesson he learned was not to get caught. And if you do move over and let the next CONservethemselves git take over.

      TiredOfBeingConned

      July 1, 2017 at 2:54 pm

  4. Perhaps IDS could atone for causing this, don a hair-shirt and thrash himself:

    Andrew Coates

    June 30, 2017 at 4:30 pm

  5. UN confirms that UK government’s treaty violations were both grave AND systematic

    DNS By John Pring on June 29, 2017

    The United Nations (UN) committee that found the UK government guilty of violating the UN disability convention has revealed for the first time that its breaches of the human rights treaty were both “grave” and “systematic”.

    The decision to clarify the seriousness of the UK’s breaches of the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (UNCRPD) shows for the first time just how seriously the committee viewed those violations.

    Disabled People Against Cuts (DPAC) said the UN’s clarification showed that the actions of the Conservative government that led to it being found guilty of breaching the treaty were “obviously based on a deliberate intention to cause harm without any regard to the horrendous consequences for disabled people”.

    When the UN’s committee on the rights of persons with disabilities (CRPD) published its report last November, it said the UK had committed “grave or systematic” violations of the treaty in three specific areas.

    Read More:
    https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/un-confirms-that-uk-governments-treaty-violations-were-both-grave-and-systematic/

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    June 30, 2017 at 5:27 pm

  6. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    June 30, 2017 at 5:28 pm

  7. Kensington and Chelsea council leader quits in wake of Grenfell disaster

    Nicholas Paget-Brown steps down after criticism of response to devastating fire and chaotic scenes at council meeting

    Guardian – 30th June 2017

    The Conservative leader and deputy leader of the embattled Kensington and Chelsea council have both resigned in the wake of the Grenfell Tower disaster.

    Nicholas Paget-Brown said he would step down as soon as a new leader was in place, amid criticism over the local authority’s response to the tragedy and, more recently over his decision to seek to bar the press and public from the first council meeting following the fire.

    Read More:
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/30/kensington-and-chelsea-council-leader-nicholas-paget-brown-quits-in-wake-of-grenfell-disaster

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    June 30, 2017 at 5:30 pm

  8. Evil man .hope to God he rots in life and death.

    David

    June 30, 2017 at 5:31 pm

  9. His foolish delusions were at the root of all the so-called ‘benefit reforms’.

    John Greyfield

    July 1, 2017 at 1:04 am

  10. Iain Duncan Smith and, even worse. Lord David Freud: Britain’s two greatest serial killers.

    Brummel

    July 1, 2017 at 6:58 am

    • After Blair

      Joe kelsall

      July 1, 2017 at 2:56 pm

      • Indeed! Blair is always held up as a ‘hero of the left’, but in reality he was a war criminal, a mass murderer who was responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent people. He should really have been put on trial at the Hague for war crimes. Blair makes IDS and Freud look like Mother Theresa, their ‘crimes’ pale into insignificance compared to war criminal Blair.

        Historian

        July 2, 2017 at 12:01 pm

      • I think Brummel was taking about people killed in Great Britain – hence his/her inclusion of “Britain’s greatest serial killers” – in which case IDS and Freud definitely take the biscuit. Literally thousands of British citizens have perished prematurely because of the actions, mistakes and lies of these two deadly idiots

        W. C. Fields Forever

        July 2, 2017 at 2:26 pm

  11. I don’t think IDS and Freud are evil in a deliberate way, more incompetent and inadequate.

    Why the heck two dabblers and meddlers like that were given unlimited authority to “reform” social security is a mystery, a bit like allowing somebody with a First Aid Certificate gained via a one day course to attempt brain surgery, is the real evil. These inadequates should NEVER have been brought into government. Both men had track histories of failure and both were trying to implement policy thought up by others, e.g., Centre for Social Justice, or nicked from other countries, e.g., United States of America. (In fact arsehole Lawrence Mead, a man that harmed millions in America, crossed the Atlantic ocean to advise David Cameron on “welfare reform”.)

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/nov/07/britain-welfare-state-born-usa

    So much harm has now been done; so many have perished and suffered needlessly.

    And yet there is no sign that the Tories repent, recant or have learned their lesson.

    The horror looks set to continue indefinitely.

    Tiptree

    July 1, 2017 at 7:07 am

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    Tog

    July 1, 2017 at 8:35 am

  13. […] Source: Iain Duncan Smith: “I was a Cruel and Heartless Bastard as Work and Pensions Minister.” […]

  14. I regard this man as being a Malignant Narcissist who always knows exactly what he’s doing. Now, inmy view, he’s simply trying to avoid any charges of Gross Negligence Manslaughter which may be coming his way in the not too distant future. He knows full well how his Welfare State changes caused deaths, he also knows full well how denying the 1950s women their State Pensions for 6 yrs, they not ever being informed until almost AT 60, is driving some to suicide, leaving so many in penury and absolute HELL! He did ALL he could, whilst in charge of DWP to ensure every Tory voted AGAINST helping us..and voted to CUT ESA by £30 a week too. He’s a vile, evil man who does not give a damn for ordinary people. It’s all about him. He’s a bitter, failed leader, still fuming over his being exposed in the MPs expenses scandal. May they all rot in hell and get the karma which they so deserve for their shocking, brutal and appalling treatment of so many innocent people in this country.

    Lizzie Cornish

    July 1, 2017 at 10:44 am

    • Penury? Are 1950s women being left with no income? Seriously? And what about 1950s men? Oh, fuck them! Take it you are claiming ESA, Lizzie? What about men stuck on JSA until they can claim a pension at age 67? Oh, fuck them! You are one greedy, selfish fucker if ever there was one, Lizzie!

      Bumble Bee

      July 1, 2017 at 11:01 am

      • Fucking hell bumble beeeeeeee buzz buzz buzz,you are a mouthy piece off shit

        Sandie pickup

        July 1, 2017 at 1:51 pm

    • And what about jobseeker stuck on £30 a week hardship allowance for three years? Oh, fuck them. You really don’t give a shit about anyone else besides yourself, do you Lizzie? Well, here is some news for you. We don’t give a shit about WASPI women (who were notified when the EU raised the state pension age for women) or the cut to ESA (Work Related Activity Group) claimants benefits. They are in no more need that someone struggling on JSA, but you couldn’t give a shit, Lizzie, just so long as Lizzie is alright.

      Bumble Bee

      July 1, 2017 at 11:08 am

    • ” It’s all about him.” No, it’s not all about IDS, Lizzie. It is all about YOU, Lizzie, because that is all YOU care about!. Human nature wins out as always, eh, Lizzie. Even IDS know this!

      Bumble Bee

      July 1, 2017 at 11:10 am

    • And why should women be able to sit back, relax and retire on a full pension at 60 when men of the same age have to struggle by on JSA, and face being hammered into ground by the jobcentre and sanctions until they are 67. How many men are going to survive that onslaught? What is fair about that? The EU certainly didn’t think so! And then we wonder why women outlive men 😉

      Bumble Bee

      July 1, 2017 at 11:16 am

      • Lizzie is right, women of my age spent most of our working lives expecting and planning on retiring at 60. A very few were lucky enough to be informed in their 50s that they retirement age had been changed from 60 to 66, but most of us weren’t told, so it came as a shock when we thought we were a year or so away from retirement to find we had an extra 6 years to wait! How is this fair? We had no chance to plan for this change, It’s like men finding out when they’re 64 that they won’t be retiring the following year but have to work till 71.
        There’s no point going on about the unfairness of women retiring at 60, it’s the way things were, the basis of our plans, and to have the goalposts changed at the last moment is just wrong and very damaging for many of us!
        And Bumble Bee, instead of wanting women to go through the same problems of working at jobs that are not suitable for older people or having years of worry about benefits, assessments, sanctions etc, why not fight for everyone to have the choice of retiring at 60, with a state pension, which not only takes the pressure of everyone in jobs that are unsuitable as you get older, but releases more jobs for the young. Some will choose to work on if they’re in jobs they can still do and that’s fine for them, but ill health starts to take it’s toll on many of us around 60 and what we’re able to do changes drastically, and being forced to work an extra 6 years can be a killer, Look up the WASPI campaign for more info.

        Rowan Farmer

        July 1, 2017 at 1:02 pm

      • You have had plenty of warning. You have been warned for the past 25 years. Plenty of time to plan for the future. And because you are just outside of the cut-off date you want the cut-off date to be be moved to accommodate you. But don’t try and pretend you didn’t know these changes were coming. You were give plenty of warning.

        We also used to burn witches at the stake. That’s just the way it was. But things move on. It’s called ‘progress’. And don’t try and kid us on that you are interested in everyone, men included, retiring at 60. The inequality of pension ages, along with cheaper ‘lady driver’ insurance, etc. was just accepted as a fact of life, not a peep from the feminists, until the EU stepped in. Where were you before the EU stepped in? Truth is you just didn’t give a damn about our menfolk being driven into early graves, you would have happily allowed the situation to continue, just so long as you could collect your pension at 60.

        Redmere Carrot

        July 1, 2017 at 4:43 pm

      • From your own ‘waspi’ website:

        “The 1995 Conservative Government’s Pension Act included plans to increase women’s SPA (State Pension Age) to 65, the same as men’s.”

        22 whole years ago. Ample time to make plans.

        Redmere Carrot

        July 1, 2017 at 4:50 pm

    • The tower block objection makes me laugh.

      IDS is completely happy with the notion of inequality,poverty and taxing the wealthy assets. You see the government want a certain figure so be it everyone earning the same or inequality, they still get the same cash grab and don’t be fooled about off shore havens as if government wanted, they’d draft a law and take.

      You cant cure inequality without conceding it is the economic system at fault and no party wants to do that and use threats of socialist life styles to stave your interest. Most everyone wants to play that fruit machine of life, all thinking it could happen to them but little do they know that’s an impossibility.
      If everyone had the same, never borrowed,never got into debt and money circled equally and perfectly, you wouldn’t have the basis to create more money. Children would still be born though meaning that money gets thinner for all.

      Without imbalances the system would collapse so even if the public demanded it, it wouldn’t be delivered in a fashion you would recognize, still its big outer circle would be one of capitalism.

      Lastly if lower tower blocks are the answer, what does he propose we do when our population or even globally is double the size, hope air floating houses are invented, that people take to living on the sea, living on the moon perhaps.

      Short of mandatory birth and death control, there an inevitability so either his very short sighted or knows something you don’t.

      doug

      July 1, 2017 at 11:34 am

    • Retire at 60 and you will live for another 18 YEARS. Retire at 65 and you will live for another 18 MONTHS.
      It is the final push that kills you.

      Methuselah

      Methuselah

      July 1, 2017 at 11:53 am

      • Methuselah, I can understand that, working through ill health never ends well, regardless of what IDS was always telling us.
        Redmere Carrot don’t you dare presume to know how I think. My own father and father-in-law both died at 62 and I had many uncles and male family friends who died before retirement, it was very common and if you really believe women of any age didn’t care about them then I feel sorry for you, what a miserable life you must have had.
        And as for us having 25 years warning, why on earth would we pretend we didn’t know when it’s only ourselves that we’d have been harming?There was never any awareness campaigns to tell everyone, it came as a complete shock to be told in 2011 that our retirement age had risen from 65 to 66, we still thought it was 60 as we had NEVER been told otherwise.
        Don’t judge us all by your own prejudices, we don’t all turn issues into an argument between the different sides and many of us DO care about inequality in all areas. It’s a shame you don’t because it’s people like you who keep the differences going. Divide and conquer, the CONs just love it.

        Rowan Farmer

        July 1, 2017 at 9:13 pm

    • couldnt agree more. was thinking same myself.hes trying to avoid any backlash for his actions

      hugosmum70

      July 1, 2017 at 5:29 pm

  15. Put the devil on hoarseback and he’ll ride to hell.

    ken

    July 1, 2017 at 11:20 am

  16. OT: How Flammable Cladding gets Approved – (doug is right some real dodgy practices going on-as if we didn’t know)

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40465399
    How Flammable Cladding gets Approve

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    Combustible cladding has been permitted based on reports arguing fires involving combustible aluminium panels would behave similarly to ones with non-combustible ceramic tiles.
    Developers use them to persuade inspectors to sign off buildings.
    Exova, the company that produced the reports, refused to comment.
    The company, also known as Exova Warringtonfire, is a fire testing and engineering company.
    It has previously cited client confidentiality in refusing to comment and has not responded to requests since Newsnight obtained copies of the reports relating to two buildings late on Friday afternoon.

    Newsnight has obtained confidential reports that help explain how flammable material has become more common on tall buildings.
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    The two reports both related to a style of cladding system similar to that used at Grenfell Tower: a combustible insulation material underneath aluminium composite panels.
    Neither of the reports, though, proposed using the same materials as those used on Grenfell Tower. Both reports related to aluminium cladding containing fire retardants.
    While the reports related to slightly different designs and had different authors, both advanced the same technical arguments which concerned experts.
    These assessments, one said, “appeared to extrapolate an apple into an orange” and they agreed that this showed up weaknesses in the way that we make sure buildings are fire safe.
    These reports – known as “desktop studies” – are a legal alternative to laboratory testing.
    .
    .
    The scale of the use of desktop studies is actually still unknown: they are not published and are even considered commercially confidential.
    But there is now growing concern in government that desktop studies may be an important factor – directly and indirectly – in explaining why so many buildings have been found to have combustible components within their cladding.

    ME: Read and weep – so looking forward to BritExit and non-existant regulations to protect us [if there was the staff for enforcement as well]…

    Gazza

    July 1, 2017 at 4:00 pm

  17. Regards IDS and Lord Fraud being incompetent, I agree. As to them not being cruel and sadistic bastards, I don’t. These are the people who had a “conditionality and sanctions” party at Caxton house to celebrate the 3 year sanction law being passed, and chuckled that they could make the unemployed “sing and dance if we want to”. He is also as sly as a box of monkeys and is trying to absolve himself from any blame for the biggest mass murderin British history.

    Colin White

    July 1, 2017 at 4:02 pm

    • Let use not forget.

      http://calumslist.org/

      ken

      July 1, 2017 at 6:59 pm

    • its a known fact that bullies like IDS will do anything to get out of whatever consequences are coming their way for how theyve treated their fellow man, or committed whatever crime theyve committed. etc. they are cowards, as are all bullies, and will hide , shift the blame, (or try to) or make out they are innocent. “who me guv?wasn’t me guv honest i was in bed all night. ” etcetc and hes now trying to lay the foundations by trying to show hes a law abiding man with religious tendencies who cares about others passionately… AS IF. no one will be taken in. too much on record now for that.

      hugosmum70

      July 2, 2017 at 9:48 pm

  18. Report reveals that 8,108 people were seen rough sleeping in London over the last year. – only those who are seen.

    http://www.welfareweekly.com/theresa-may-urged-to-stand-by-manifesto-pledge-to-end-rough-sleeping/

    enigma

    July 1, 2017 at 7:13 pm

    • The Tories only promised prevention, they didn’t say anything about those already on the street. So their strategy is basically to halve the rate at which people end up homeless and on the street.

      Just like the Tories to offer a halve arsed attempt.

      doug

      July 2, 2017 at 1:26 pm

    • No link, as per usual.

      enigma

      July 2, 2017 at 8:53 am

    • People are dying all the time. 4,500 a day in the UK; 150,000,000 world-wide. Most of them go to work! And by definition they are fit-to-work. Yet they died!

      Does not being declared ‘fit-to-work’ confer immortality on ESA/disability benefit claimants? Couldn’t their deaths possibly be attributed to ‘natural causes’, the inevitable fate that befalls us all?

      The Immortals

      July 2, 2017 at 11:50 am

      • Yes, ‘natural causes’ as in the illnesses they’re unable to work because of, not from old age. These are people who have been found ‘fit for work’ by the DWP, and who have had their benefits stopped. But their doctors have signed them off as too sick to work, they are too sick to look for work or even to get to the jobcentre to sign on. Many of them have actually been in hospital or bedbound at home when they’re deemed fit for work. So they are now seriously ill and all their income has been stopped. Thousands have been so desperate they have committed suicide. Some may have family who are able to financially support the sick person but most do not, not without help from benefits, which have been wrongly stopped . Some have died from starvation, some have been made homeless and die on the streets. Many will appeal and will win the appeal, but very many have died while waiting for the appeal to go through, died penniless and in utter despair. This is no exaggeration.
        Of course sick people die, but the people we’re talking about here have been put into poverty by a govt hell bent on saving money, even if it means the needless, early deaths of many thousands of sick people who ended their lives unable to pay for the care they needed, unable to pay for basic living costs such as food, heat, rent etc. There is no justification for any of that.

        Rowan Farmer

        July 2, 2017 at 12:56 pm

      • How many of that 4,500 people been found fit for work two weeks before their death?

        https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/aug/27/thousands-died-after-fit-for-work-assessment-dwp-figures

        W. C. Fields Forever

        July 2, 2017 at 2:20 pm

      • That’s the thing about IDS and Freud’s killing spree – it is easily subsumed by the overall death statistics.

        Harold Shipman (deceased)

        July 4, 2017 at 11:14 am

  19. “He argued a system where someone could be deemed fit for some work, or a certain number of hours a week, would remove much of this strain. The current system, he added, works “directly against” getting people into work: “If you’re in work you’re likely to be healthier.”

    What gives these people the authority to over-ride a practising Doctors decision? It stands to reason “if you’re in work you are healthier”, but you aren’t healthy, hence the claim!
    They invented the ‘Assessments’ purely as a money saving device, then paid the ‘assessors’ more than they actually saved. It was a simple money laundering practice!

    Bill Rollinson

    July 2, 2017 at 8:50 am

    • With fluctuating conditions how can you know on what days and when you might be fit for work? And will irregular part-time work really help a poorly person enjoy a better standard of life? If they lose 62% of everything that the earn, under Universal Credit, and have to pay for their travel to and from work and increased contributions as per Council Tax? How will that help anybody? What a complete and utter cock IDS is.

      W. C. Fields Forever

      July 2, 2017 at 2:19 pm

  20. Millions of workers under 40 have seen their wages shrink by massive 11% since 2008

    And it is not likely to get better for another THREE years, according to one economic think-tank

    The wage squeeze has been felt most in the East Midlands and London, says the report by the Resolution Foundation.

    The economic think-tank reckons it will be another three years before pay gets back to where it used to be at the time of the credit crunch – nine years ago.

    While typical hourly pay for those aged from 22 to 39 is down 11 per cent, workers in their fifties and sixties have fared less badly.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/business/millions-workers-under-40-seen-10722886

    enigma

    July 2, 2017 at 9:02 am

  21. “Wot A DisMay,” “Theresa May, Sashay Away” and “The Only Good Tory is a Lavatory”

    Thousands gathered for an anti-austerity march through central London today in a protest against the Tory government.

    More than 10,000 people took part in the Not One Day More demonstration, which saw activists march from BBC Broadcasting House near Oxford Circus, to Parliament Square this afternoon.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/what-dismay-thousands-gather-anti-10720511

    enigma

    July 2, 2017 at 9:06 am

    • Now employers are suppose to offer a guarantee of hours per week, problem is, it can be concocted to fit a day or two and never guarantees what happens next week and the week after that,after that.

      doug

      July 2, 2017 at 12:57 pm

  22. YES you were so now just go and DISAPPEAR and dig yourself a Big Hole in the middle of NOWHERE and bury your pathetic body in it…..

  23. You pay private companies to ignmore medical evidence, what did anyone think would happen?

    Phill P

    July 2, 2017 at 4:23 pm

    • A right royal fuck up of the disabled ?. Do I get a prize for the correct answer ?

      Philip B

      July 4, 2017 at 2:05 pm

  24. George Iain Dincan Smith has bullshitted his way through life at the expense of the taxpayer, problem being he “believes” his own lies including his fraudulent CV. Failure as Tory leader, billions wasted on omnishambles Universal Credit, hundreds if not thousands of deaths of “fit for work” invalids, now he comes with the crocodile tears…

    Colin White

    July 2, 2017 at 4:58 pm

    • OH, there’s no tears as IDS is stating the assessment isnt good enough as it allows claimants to misrepresent their conditions. Hes not saying accidentally, hes saying its not sown up enough to ensure all those courts reversing it, cant.

      We use to let the GPs and hospitals decide it, it cost the taxpayer nothing then yet now the likes of IDS have poisoned that pond by pointing the thought in peoples minds that doctors aren’t competent enough to decide. IDSs whole idea of the WCA was to get around medical ethics,specifically i will do no harm.

      You’ve heard of the saying, “its better to be safe than sorry”. Well the likes of IDS aren’t interested in being safe and most certainly evidenced by the recorded deaths, not sorry.

      doug

      July 2, 2017 at 9:13 pm

  25. Skills shortage: Time to open training to above 24s.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40475702

    Increasing year on year we hear from employers bemoaning a skills shortage yet all they get offered year in,year out, is kids coming from school. To make matters worse, the coalition government back in 2011/12 removed concessions from colleges and replaced them with loans, promoted only low to no skill volunteering/work placements, not to mention push the unemployed into low to no skilled jobs with no plan to up skill them.

    The UKs economic future, pre or post brexit wont stave off a decline financially entertaining purely mass production and financial services. In order to get those creative juices going, we need to give people the tools to move forward as when was the last time you saw someone working at Tescos filling shelves or picking and packing at Amazon produce a social media site that rivals facebook, a device like the fidget spinner ?

    Now not everyone is an inventor but everyone could upskill, i know because ive trained many from vastly different backgrounds to wire,plumb and heat their own homes. People whom you would say as a figure of speech, couldn’t hold a spanner to begin with. If we want better days, we as in all in the UK so not just government, must invest time and energy bettering ourselves but we need government and business to aid to make this not only possible but a reality.

    We don’t have time to wait for generations to fill the gap as every second counts.

    doug

    July 3, 2017 at 6:42 am

    • Trouble is that unless a company thinks it can make a LOT of money out of you if they train you they won’t spend any money on you. So older people are stuffed because they probably won’t be with any private company for long enough to make such an investment worthwhile. This means that for older people and people with difficulties, e.g., poor eyesight etc., will have to fall back on government sponsored training such as that provided by the recently cancelled Work Programme, which is to short, elementary and of very poor quality to do anybody any good.

      Quality training is very expensive and takes a long time to cut ice.

      All this talk about “lifelong learning” might mean something in a country like Sweden, but here in Blighty it is just another government con.

      Qwerty

      July 3, 2017 at 8:00 am

      • Qwerty

        Your quite right, half hearted attempts of shortermism with no regard whats so ever for people with various difficulties. I talk to loads of people with such difficulties, most have ideas but there isn’t a single service that explores and funds them. As you say if employers cant keep you physically productive for coin, they don’t want you but we all know certain people wont be able to deliver at this pace continually so the emphasis needs to shift from quantity to quality. Managers have never been able to manage their workload/responsibilities so delegate yet we never consider this further down the change. Ive had tons of labourers/mates not pull their weight in the past for various reasons. I didn’t simply say no more, i just learnt to adapt as there not there to match me, there in place to learn in practice while learning at college. This as i have witnessed has changed to how quick can we get each job done and clock off early without anyone noticing.

        We need an us, us, not me, me society.

        doug

        July 3, 2017 at 8:47 am

    • doug/Qwerty?

      I think you’re both right – I would point to the experience [and the now emerging results] of the ConMens latest undermining of the NHS – Nurses.
      In past until this lot came in Nurses [for an essential skill mind you] got grants. No longer. Latest figuures via BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40476867 about Nurses/Midwives post BritExit is revealing – numbers are down. Badly. Lets not forget the brilliant ideas coming out of Davos to use savings for a year off – who’ll pay for training and who has so much money stashed away anyway? What area to train in in before that area becomes inundated? Is it an area where the said person are suitable both mentality and physically?
      Clearly there is a widening gap here where the Gov/Employers are unwilling to invest in training and its getting worse.

      Gazza

      July 3, 2017 at 8:26 am

      • Oh,
        and lets not forget to add UC and its ban on training/learning while looking for work into the mix

        Gazza

        July 3, 2017 at 8:27 am

      • Gazza

        While indeed there are people who will never be able to work, this is a very small portion overall. We need to move away from this ideology that people are only physical resources, we need to move away from stereotyping illnesses as simply something you can get over. We need to positively acknowledge them in a true sense of individual,adapt and move forward.

        Take work placements when unemployed. A chance to deliver real careers experiences in all trades, a chance for all business sectors to engage, to regularly see the many humans looking for something that drives them, something they could possibly excel out.

        As for funding, we had no problem bailing out the banks so why not invest in getting people to a point where their not simply going to work to earn money while cursing every Monday that comes but to a point you have to tell them to go home, a point where they cant wait to get back to work after every day off.

        doug

        July 3, 2017 at 9:17 am

      • It all boils down to supply and demand. They always train more than they need to keep pay and conditions down. In any case, a lot of ‘professions’ were over-paid and need their pay ‘re-aligned’, one is example is the legal profession whose pay has stood still for very long time, but lawyers are ten a penny anyway. That is why the British Medical Association severely limits the number that are allowed to train as doctors, it is the only ‘profession’ that is allowed to get away with this. So if you ever wonder why they don’t put more doctors through medical school, it is by design, otherwise the ‘market’ would be flooded and exert downward pressure on their pay.

        Professor of Economics

        July 3, 2017 at 10:49 am

      • Professor of Economics

        Very true but the world has become a very small place and people,countries are biting, all trying to keep there heads above the tide. While there is a place to double market an already existing product for now, new and inventive is whats needed to stand above others. The UK hasn’t sailed this ship for a very long time, so long people just don’t have the tools as so to speak to reach forward meaning no original thought which why would you if your brain is limited to menial tasks all day. Now you could say people can pick up a book and that’s true but no one doing so alone is going to by itself, come up with say thorium fission as a working model.

        Putting globalization to one side, if the UK wants to be truly independent, we have to up the peoples game and move the majority from their sedentary train of thought.

        doug

        July 4, 2017 at 10:11 am

    • More nurses and midwives are leaving the profession in the UK than joining it, for the first time since 2008, figures show.

      Meanwhile A Department of Health spokeswoman said: “We are making sure we have the nurses we need to continue delivering world-class patient care – that’s why there are almost 13,100 more on our wards since May 2010 and 52,000 in training.

      “In September it will be the first time we see nurses coming in and having to take a loan. many assume don’t they.

      enigma

      July 3, 2017 at 2:10 pm

      • But are they talking part-time or full-time equivalent or just in pure numbers? And where are they all going? To jobs in other locations? Other parts of the NHS? ATOS? Private?

        Baronxyx

        July 3, 2017 at 3:10 pm

      • Assuming most of the posters on here are on benefits, why are you all so keen to see massive pay rises handed out to the public sector? As we all know pay rises only feed into inflation which is really bad news id you are on a fixed income, so it is left to assume that you must have friends/relatives/living with someone who will benefit, hmm…

        Baronxyx

        July 3, 2017 at 3:15 pm

      • Barronxyx, ‘Assume’ makes and Ass of U and Me. Why assume most people here are on benefits? And why wouldn’t those who are on benefits not want a pay rise for public sector workers, especially NHS workers who many on benefits have to rely on? Not everyone is selfish enough to think only of themselves, and wanting public sector workers to continue taking wage cuts because of the effects of any rises on inflation is selfish in the extreme! They should be paid what they’re worth, the CONs platitudes after terrorist attacks and other things like Grenfell are disgraceful and doesn’t help the workers pay their bills!

        Rowan Farmer

        July 4, 2017 at 10:15 pm

      • Baronxyx

        There is a lot of things that feed into inflation so if we were to travel along your line of thought, the 3.3 rise in the private sector helped fuel this one. So we could say why not now raise the public sector over the next 7 years while freezing the private sector. Yes inflation of course would still rise proportionally yet by this time, we would all be in the same boat. We could say the public sector allowed the private sector there marginal rise.

        The point im making is we can suggest all sorts of things, none necessarily represent truth. A reduction in unemployment can trigger inflation,oversupply of money injected into an economy is another, maintaining profit margins,capacity utilization,consumption demand,corporate decisions,etc,etc,etc.

        doug

        July 4, 2017 at 9:41 am

      • What you are saying may be true to a degree. But injecting money into consumers’ pockets is the biggest driver of inflation. If the retailer’s know you have a few extra quid in your pocket they are going to put their prices up to get it. But what about those who are left behind in the scramble for more money such as benefit claimants and low earners, no political party of any colour seems to give a damn about them.

        The Daily Politics

        July 4, 2017 at 11:02 am

  26. IDS, like all other senior Tories can’t open their mouths without a load of ballocks and lies tumbling out.

    I say this with all seriousness, when did it become acceptable to lie and deliberately mislead the public with no repercussions? It happens all of the time now. It seems it is ok also not to answer questions in the HoC these days. These self serving wankers should be held accountable for their mistruths and unwillingness to perform their democratic duties.

    Keith

    July 3, 2017 at 7:35 am

  27. IDS is another to be charged with corporate manslaughter from his time at the DWP. In fact the whole Tory Party running denial factories should be charged with corporate manslaughter. Disability Murder by the Tories.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    July 3, 2017 at 8:48 am

  28. DWP ASSISTED SUCIDE

    DWP Policy – Tory Policy

    Tory Suicide

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    July 3, 2017 at 8:50 am

  29. Deputy council leader Rock Feilding-Mellen who managed Grenfell Tower refurbishment is director of firm looking to build 300 homes on the outskirts of Norwich

    EDP – 2nd July 2017

    One of the men at the centre of the Grenfell Tower tragedy in London is the director of a company looking to build 300 new homes on the outskirts of Norwich.

    Rock Feilding-Mellen, the deputy leader of Kensington and Chelsea Council resigned yesterday (Friday), following the earlier resignation of council leader Nicholas Paget-Brown.

    Read More:
    http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/politics/deputy-council-leader-rock-feilding-mellen-who-managed-grenfell-tower-refurbishment-is-director-of-firm-looking-to-build-300-homes-on-the-outskirts-of-norwich-1-5087014

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    July 3, 2017 at 8:54 am

  30. Reblogged this on idontbelieveitagain.

    lawrencesroberts

    July 3, 2017 at 1:03 pm

  31. The Torygraph, however….

    Stressed teachers offered electric shock therapy to combat anxiety and depression.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/07/01/stressed-teachers-offered-electric-shock-therapy-combat-anxiety/

    What next for the unemployed.

    enigma

    July 3, 2017 at 1:50 pm

  32. Gov want’s everyone to be on line, at home.but of course.

    The government has also signalled its commitment to technological matters by renaming one of its departments.

    What was the Department for Culture, Media and Sport now becomes the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport.

    However, it intends to retain the same acronym, DCMS, as before.

    “Half of its policy and delivery work now covers the digital sectors – telecommunications, data protection, internet safety, cyber-skills and parts of media and the creative industries,” said the minister, Karen Bradley.

    Ultra-fast broadband fund launched by UK government

    enigma

    July 3, 2017 at 2:00 pm

  33. STATE CRIME BY PROXY: corporate influence on state sanctioned social harm An independent report

    Mo Stewart

    Abstract

    In the UK there are three words that identify the government enforced suffering of sick and disabled people, and they are: Work Capability Assessment (WCA). This report identifies the influence of an American healthcare insurance giant with successive UK governments since 1992, the influence of a former government Chief Medical Officer and the use of the WCA, conducted by the private sector, as the government permit state crime by proxy when justified as welfare reform.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/314045256_STATE_CRIME_BY_PROXY_corporate_influence_on_state_sanctioned_social_harm_An_independent_report

    enigma

    July 3, 2017 at 2:38 pm

  34. still had no letter yet for tribunal as now just over 3 months but thought they had to do it in 12 weeks?
    also now been put on extended sick leave for 3 months again as just gone over the 12 month mark again so after 1 half years on jsa after being found fit for work i will have spent 6 months back on the sick anyway and in that time i have applied for 6201 jobs and not got 1 reply for a interview.

    i was also told i can now go back on esa if i want but what is the point when i will be just found fit for work again other than the jcp dont want me there or more like none of them can brake me more like its just a fkn merry go round that never ends lol.

    superted

    July 3, 2017 at 3:13 pm

  35. This is another related issue which has grown and grown over recent years:

    Andrew Coates

    July 3, 2017 at 4:21 pm

  36. IDS’s attempt to establish a career in the media whilst conveniently brushing his murdering past under the Axminster carpet is just not working, is it? The moment we see this bald-headed bastard presenting Have I Got News For You (HIGNFY) it is game over for all that is decent in this world. Goodnight! [big grin to the camera] 😀 😀

    Ed Balls

    July 3, 2017 at 5:44 pm

    • Get off that interweb thingy, love, your tea’s ready!

      Yvette Cooper

      July 3, 2017 at 6:50 pm

  37. The newest member of Theresa May’s Brexit negotiating team has been filmed calling for the destruction of the European Union, in 2010.

    In a speech to a right-wing think tank, minister Steve Baker said the EU should be “wholly torn down”, before branding it an “obstacle” to world peace and “incompatible” with a free society.

    “It’s not enough to take the UK out of the EU. They want the entire thing to fall apart.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-european-union-eu-steve-baker-theresa-may-wholly-torn-down-libertarian-alliance-a7820721.html

    enigma

    July 3, 2017 at 8:19 pm

  38. Just seen a copper on the evening news struggling by on a pittance of £42,000 a year! Why are we paying our hero police so little? The evil Tory pay freeze/cap has meant he his now earning £6,000 a year less than he should be. He said that he is really struggling to make ends meet with the price of food, gas and electricity all going up but no increase in pay to make up for it. It didn’t say if he was married, had children or was married to a police officer also on £42,000 a year! What an utter disgrace this country is when we don’t pay our hero police properly and leave them humiliated at the foodbank.

    Pay Our Hero Police Properly

    July 3, 2017 at 10:18 pm

    • It was slightly more at £6,300 a year worse off!

      Pay Our Hero Police Properly

      July 3, 2017 at 10:20 pm

    • are you serious? they get paid over £800 PER WEEK?, while i agree what they face in their jobs is a lot more than most would, and also how dangerous it can be, i really do not understand how they cant make ends meet on that when so many are on only 70-100 a week. a lot even less. and they have to do it. ok they may get rent paid and council tax (though not if they started buying a house before becoming redundant or ill etc. no help or very little to help pay your motgage. it still doesnt amount to £800 a week. and the lower paid still have gas electric food, insurance (IF they can afford it. just the same as the police. what IS needed is MORE police on the streets not less which is what is happening. dont get me wrong, im not conservative in the least. but as someone who has always had to manage on low wages (as a nurse 50 years ago and my hubby a hospital porter, and other low paid jobs before that)… i simply cannot understand how someone on £800 a week cant manage.

      hugosmum70

      July 4, 2017 at 1:22 pm

      • Coppers also get a host of other benefits on top of their already inflated salary – free travel, free fuel, discounts in retailers, free insurance, free private healthcare (BUPA), free prescriptions for them and their family, they get their house decorated twice a year, goodness knows what else. The filth even used to get their rent mortgage paid! Yet we are being led to believe that the rozzers are hard done by, being paid a pittance struggling to make ends meet and are reliant on foodbanks, and are in desperate need of even more taxpayers cash. Pull the other one!

        DCI Gene Hunt

        July 4, 2017 at 2:11 pm

      • It is funny when you see them pull over some hapless motorist on one of those cop shows and they find £50 in the ‘suspect’s’ wallet as they ruefully say: “Fifty quid. I wish I had that kind of money”, as they attempt to give the viewers the misleading impression that they are skint.

        Police Interceptors

        July 4, 2017 at 2:18 pm

      • Dont go listening to drivel. There are various stages in an officers service so different pay scales, this is just one type of officer as there are more types that get other pay scales, even a reasonably sized portion who are part time, something not mentioned when people wage this argument.

        http://www.polfed.org/ranks/3277.aspx

        PCSO

        https://nationalcareersservice.direct.gov.uk/job-profiles/police-community-support-officer

        doug

        July 4, 2017 at 2:25 pm

      • It is like local authorities; if they don’t spend their annual budget they take it off next years so they get less. No matter what someone earns they will always profess that they are “skint”, and if you challenge them: “What, on £42,000? salary!?” they will respond with: “What with the price of food and fuel there is nothing left over at the end of the month.” Basically, if you say you are flush with cash, or even just about managing you aren’t getting any more. If you are greedy want more you have to plead poverty, pretend you are skint. Of course it is becomes difficult when your salary is public knowledge and people can see you for what you are – a greedy bastard!

        The Skints

        July 4, 2017 at 2:27 pm

      • Doug

        We all know that there is PCSO (plastic bobbies), community support police etc. but we are not talking about them, we are talking about proper, salaried filth.

        Dixon of Dock Green

        July 4, 2017 at 2:34 pm

      • Doug

        It is like us saying that BBC radio presenters get paid a packet and then you chiming in to say that radio presenters don’t get paid, but we are not talking about hospital radio, we are talking about BBC radio presenters. Get it? Well, do you, doug?

        Ivan Brackenberry

        July 4, 2017 at 2:38 pm

      • Doug

        The £42,000 copper was on the evening news last night, so that is considered representative. Pray, do tell which they didn’t show any of doug’s constabulary queuing at a foodbank?

        Filth

        July 4, 2017 at 2:44 pm

      • Doug

        The £42,000 copper was on the evening news last night, so that is considered representative. Pray, do tell why they didn’t show any of doug’s constabulary queuing at a foodbank?

        Filth

        July 4, 2017 at 2:45 pm

      • hugosmum

        It could be something to do with the rocketing costs of takeaways that the fat porkers all seem to live of 🙂 But do they even pay for them?

        Porky Pig

        July 4, 2017 at 2:50 pm

      • hugosmum

        Statistically a “beat bobby” will come within 500 yards of a burglary every 20 years, so bobbies on the beat isn’t the most efficient use of police resources. Uniform officers are only there to reassure the public (like you). Most police officers are not wearing a police uniform; we have CID (Crime Investigation Department) who generally wear a collar and tie, plain-clothes etc. As well as off-duty ones. You could walk past a police officer on the street, have one tailing your car and not realise it. There are a lot more police out there than you realise, they are not all visible though 😉

        Inspector Gadget

        July 4, 2017 at 3:01 pm

      • Ok, so your saying your not saying some sectors/scales don’t deserve a rise, just those on 42’000 or above then.
        So all police officers serving less than 9 or less years should get a rise,PCSOs to name one different type of arm to the police force and part time constables (same as full time but only asked to work part time) should get a rise ?

        doug

        July 4, 2017 at 3:46 pm

      • On the contrary the police should receive a pay DECREASE, they are already over-paid as it is. All this putting their lives on the line for the public everyone time the put on that uniform is horseshit. Most of their “duties” which consist mainly of taking statements, administration work which could just as easily be done by civilians on the minimum wage. Councils already use minimum wage “evidence gatherers” for crimes such as anti-social behaviour; the ‘evidence’ is then handed to the police for review who in turn hand to the CPS.

        24 Hours in Police Custody, shown last night on Channel 4, and due to be repeated umpteen times in case you missed it, doug, featured a police worker known as an “Investigating Officer” who described her job as an “evidence gatherer”; she took statements from witnesses, conducted interviews with ‘suspects’. “Investigating Officer”!? What happened to “Detective”? It didn’t state her salary but you would expect it was lower than a detective although being essentially the same role. You only really need a ‘sworn in’ officer to make an arrest. It is easy to see where this is going, as with speed cameras replacing traffic cops, traditional police officer roles will be replaced by civilian staff with forces retaining a token sworn in constable or two soley to make arrests,

        The Fuzz

        July 4, 2017 at 4:35 pm

      • Re “putting their lives on the line for the public everyone time the put on that uniform” would you not say your were a lot safer walking through a city centre with “POLICE” written on you than a member of the public?

        The Fuzz

        July 4, 2017 at 4:37 pm

      • The fuzz

        Actually again its on a scale and location and is anything from 3’000 less per year to exactly the same wage as a detective. Its all online if you bother to go look it up.

        As for putting life on the line, yes that is a factor as like the armed forces, you don’t sugar coat the ever present risks no matter how large or small that maybe in likelihood. Durex may promote 99% protection, it does not imply where that remaining 1% may fall.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_police_officers_killed_in_the_line_of_duty

        Also imagine what life would be like for people if they didn’t exist no matter what you thought of them. Many a person would be crushed by others and no poverty wont protect you as being overlooked.

        Beside all these glaring facts you couldn’t help yourself but to promote the nat min, not the NLW that grows.
        All these comments wreak of a self serving agenda with little to no thought put into it.

        Im all for a discussion on how much does any person really need to live on, installing caps on all wages above £35’000, capping profits, banning corporations, monopolies blar blar blar but dont expect me to take this seriously when no one has brought anything even half decent to the table to begin with.

        doug

        July 4, 2017 at 5:10 pm

      • Doug and all

        Investigating Officers are police staff, rather than police officers (no warrant card). They are generally custody/station based.

        Some forces employ them to conduct interviews, take statements and other such things, to free up the police officers. Often retired officers come back to do it. My force doesn’t have them, so when I arrest someone I have to do an interview myself (well, most of the time anyway).

        Serving Police Officer

        July 4, 2017 at 5:23 pm

      • I have to agree with you, that’s not a good example. There are many public workers on far less than that and they’re the ones that should be helped the most , otherwise there will be no new recruits in the NHS, fire service, police etc. Seems to me the main crisis is caused by too few people entering those professions and you can’t blame them when they really are paid a pittance! And nurses have a double whammy as they’re having to now pay for the privilege of training and working on the wards since their bursaries were stopped!

        Rowan Farmer

        July 4, 2017 at 10:25 pm

      • Rowan Farmer

        Have you ever tried gaining entry to the police? The competition is fierce! Notwithstanding that the police are already well-paid it is not only money that motivates people to join the police. There are other motivating factors such as power and control. Even if the police was an entirely voluntary organisation you would still get people queuing up to join. Have you ever stopped to think that the police might actually enjoy their job. This is not factory work or toilet cleaning we are talking about.

        Police Cadet

        July 5, 2017 at 8:18 am

      • And the competition to join the fire service is even fiercer. It is not easy to join the ambulance service either. You should try popping in an application for these jobs and see how far you get.

        Police Cadet

        July 5, 2017 at 8:21 am

      • When Starbucks are attracting 50,000 applications for a coffee maker and Lidl are jobseekers are queuing around the block to be interviewed for a Lidl shop assistant vacancy you have to wonder how many applications the police, fire service and ambulance service attract. Saying that so few people are applying for these positions especially in a fiercely competitive, cut-throat job market does sound rather flippant, not really a remark to be taken seriously.

        Jobseeker

        July 5, 2017 at 8:33 am

      • And if they are not happy with their pay they could always give their job to the unemployed 🙂 Thank you very much 🙂

        Jobseeker

        July 5, 2017 at 8:38 am

      • Thought not! 😀 Who’d have thunk? 😀 Maybe that’s what HM Gov should do – give their jobs to the unemployed. See how they like living on £73 a week!

        Jobseeker

        July 5, 2017 at 8:40 am

  39. While i agree that IDS was one of the worst things to happen to anyone in desperate need of help, the headline is misleading, surely. If you put quotes round something it implies that he said it, but nothing in the article cites where and when he said this.

    And when will he make some kind of delayed apology for all the people who couldn’t stand the stress and humiliation any longer and took their own lives. He really is the worst person ever to have been in that post.

    Sooz

    July 3, 2017 at 11:42 pm

    • Sooz

      He actually said on the 29th of June at an event held by the Spectator magazine and the Joseph Rowntree Foundation on The Conservative Route to Fighting Poverty,

      “I came to the conclusion that it was time to review the whole way we do this and remove the cliff edge,”,

      “The cliff edge tempts people to make wrong declarations. And it means that whatever assessment you’re making becomes very critical, which adds extra stress.”

      https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/iain-duncan-smith-admits-work-capability-assessments-harsh/

      Now i don’t think his comment marks an apology. Infact i would say its rather open ended.

      doug

      July 4, 2017 at 9:11 am

  40. Yes you still are. You are a sociopath and a murderer. You should be arrested. prosecuted and incarcerated in a high security prison for what you have done. It doesn’t say very much for UK society when a monster such as you is still at liberty.

    Dan B

    July 4, 2017 at 12:21 am

  41. Rowan Farmer, i appreciate what you are saying, but likewise, have you ever tried applying for nurse training? i have, admitted over 50 years ago but it was hard even then , unless you had 5 GCSE’s you could only get in by taking an entrance exam. my schoolfriend and i went in to it together (in those days you only got GCSEs if you went to grammar or high school by passing your 11 plus. if you suffered from nerves you were lucky to get through./ both me and my friend had been borderline.) … i passed the entrance exam my friend didnt. after that you had 5 years of training, being the general dogsbody for the first year cleaning bedpans, sluices, treatment rooms, with a few actual bedside training sessions. for this you got the barest minimum of pay.going up in annual increments. when i left 11 yrs later to have my first child i was earning £60 a month when most others in other jobs (average wage) were earning in region of £100.. its still not easy to get in. and now they have to pay to be trained. leaving them in debt. big debt.so once trained they should earn a living wage. they dont./ their job is just as essential as police and firefighters. and although maybe not as dangerous there is still danger. like those nurses who contracted ebola. some didnt survive. others are in danger of contracting other nasty diseases. i am not trying to minimise what the police and /or firefighters do. but there are other proffessions that are just as essential. look at the army? they dont get paid much either.yet they too lay their lives on the line for us and our country and what happens when they come out/ often limbs missing or in a terrible mental state cos of all theyve seen. a lot land up on the streets. they are treated like any other disabled person who has not sustained their disabilities in defending our country and its inmates.. but also just put yourself in the place of those ex army personel, those on the streets, having to go to food banks, to hear that a certain group of people are getting paid such a large amount must make them wonder why they are in the position they are in. (and no one knows what an individuals position is.at any given time). £800 a week is a lot of money to live on when so many are struggling to get by on £70 or less a week,

    hugosmum70

    July 5, 2017 at 2:32 pm

    • The general dogsbody are what were once known as auxiliary nurses, now known as nursing assistants. The ones of the good salaries, the staff nurses (RGN) don’t do jackshit basically. They sit on their fat backsides in the “station” munching through boxes of chocolates that the checking-out patients leave for them in abundance. They do pop out occasionally thought to tick a chart or do bark an order at a nursing assistant. Holby City isn’t real life.

      There was a gathering of a charity for injured ex-military personnel in the town square a few months ago and the injuries these guys had were absolutely horrific; limbs blown off, eyes missing. It looks bad enough on a TV but when you see it real life is so much worse. Ex-military personnel account for many of the homeless. David Clapson who was murdered by the DWP was ex-army.

      Universal Soldier

      July 5, 2017 at 2:51 pm

      • i agree where soldiers are concerned and i do know about limbless soldiers and those with PTSD among other things,. but you are wrong about what auxilliary nurses were. i dont know what era your talking aboout .im talking of the 1960s. and it was STUDENT nurses who did the jobs im talking about/. domestic cleaners cleaned the ward. though we still had to help as part of our training. as for auxilliary nurses,. they had no training whatsoever. and we were lucky to get any work out of them at all. there was a song the student nurses used to chant back then.. you may have heard it. it goes ….i’m busy doing nothing ,working the whole day through, trying to find lots ofwork not to do….. and boy were they good at it. we students worked damned hard and eventually,, if we passed our exams became SRNs..(STATE REGISTERED NURSE) the forerunner to RGN. I was trained as an ORTHORPAEDIC nurse initially. going on to do my SRN. but you started from scratch back then./ auxilliaries just walked into the job. auxilliaries only ASSISTED nurses. they had no exams to take and had no qualifications at all.

        hugosmum70

        July 5, 2017 at 9:17 pm

      • Hugosman

        You are talking about back in the day when hospitals had MATRONS. Matrons maintained steely discipline; nurses lived in fear of Matron and hospital wards were spotless as a result, It was when matrons were got rid of that MRSA and hospital ‘super-bugs’ crept in. Hospitals need to bring back the Matron.

        Retired RGN Nurse

        July 5, 2017 at 9:32 pm

      • yes i am and i couldnt agree with you more. hospital corridors were cleaned with disinfectant not plain water (as when my hubby was a night porter in the 1980s and that being one of his jobs) and they did barrier nursing back then./ not now though from what im told. we also lived in fear of a lot of the ward and night sisters too. no make up. hems 12 inches from floor and not one hair on your head was allowed to escape from under your cap. but all this was in answer to police cadet going on about ….had we ever tried getting in for police training,, ..getting into nurse training was just as strict in my day. and they still have to go to university i am told to gain nursing degrees or whatever they are called now. its no easy job for them either.

        hugosmum70

        July 5, 2017 at 10:05 pm

      • The police only undergo a few weeks training before they are out hassling innocent motorists in their souped-up Subaru Imprezzas and rally-spec BMWs. You don’t have to be smart to be a plod either, in fact your IQ has to be lower than the 100 points average at around the 80 to 90 mark; reason being anyone with any grey matter between their ears would soon get bored with police ‘work’. The plod all look and act so similar you would be forgiven for thinking they are all churned out from some copper ‘cookie cutter’ factory. And what happens to the ones who can’t hack it as a uniformed copper? Straight to CID.

        Inspector Gadget

        July 6, 2017 at 12:10 am

      • PS You don’t need any fancy degrees or anything to join the filth. A couple of GSCEs and we will welcome you with open arms.

        Inspector Gadget

        July 6, 2017 at 12:14 am

      • Inspector Gadget

        I use a work a contract of for estates and management for force wide and often worked at a training centre so can tell you your talking absolute codswallop when you talk about length of training.

        Also when you talk of braincells required, they’re not point and go drones. This attempt to liken them to traffic wardens is quite far from the truth.

        doug

        July 6, 2017 at 8:55 am

    • HugosMum, I don’t know why you were telling me all that?] I was ageeing that they all need a better wage, I know how difficult it all is.

      Rowan Farmer

      July 5, 2017 at 8:46 pm

      • sorry Rowan farmer…. think it was late when i wrote the other one addressed to you… it was to police cadet not you. he had put your name at the beginning of his message and i thought it was you saying those things about getting into police training.. i do appologize,

        hugosmum70

        July 5, 2017 at 9:27 pm


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