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Labour Will Scrap Sanctions Regime amongst Raft of Good Policies on Social Security.

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Many people have commented, and will comment, and, who on earth  knows? will comment defavourably  on Labour’s policies .

This sticks out to me on this very sound Manifesto (full text here).

Both because these are policies that help  our people and because they are just, not to mention that us lot have campaigned on them for years.

Poverty in Britain is rising due to the Conservatives’ attempts to balance the books on the backs of the poorest. They have slashed social security over the last seven years, leaving more people in poverty, subject to a punitive sanctions regime, and reliant on food banks.

Labour will act immediately to end the worst excesses of the Conservative government’s changes. We will:

  • Scrap the punitive sanctions regime
  • Scrap the Bedroom Tax
  • Reinstate Housing Benefit for under-21s
  • Scrap cuts to Bereavement Support Payment.
  • The cuts to work allowances in Universal Credit (UC), and the decision to limit tax credit and UC payments to the first two children in a family, are an attack on low-income families and will increase child poverty. Labour will reform and redesign UC, ending six-week delays in payment and the ‘rape clause’.

With nearly four million children currently living in poverty, the majority in working families, we will commit to tackle child poverty with a new Child Poverty Strategy.

The Tories have completely failed on their promise of making work pay and on tackling the barriers to work faced by people with disabilities.

Labour supports a social model of disability. People may have a condition or an impairment but they are disabled by society. We need to remove the barriers in society that restrict opportunities.

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Written by Andrew Coates

May 16, 2017 at 12:34 pm

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  1. Mr Coates

    You say: “This sticks out to me on this very sound Manifesto” – what will it be replaced with, I wonder. More workfare! I can’t just see Jeremy & co letting us lot sit around and do bugger all, can you? There’s a catch somewhere. You mark my words.

    jj joop

    May 16, 2017 at 12:40 pm

    • Or should I say, you marxist my words. Titter. I’m a regular Billy Crystal, I am.

      jj joop

      May 16, 2017 at 12:42 pm

    • When I was young some of mates who were unemployed were on something called the Community Programme where they actually got paid for doing useful things.

      So long ago, I admit….

      Andrew Coates

      May 16, 2017 at 12:43 pm

      • Me too, landscaping, and have been gardening ever since!

        enigma

        May 16, 2017 at 8:53 pm

      • Yes, I remember it well because I was on it. As I recall, you got double your dole for a three day week.

        jj joop

        May 17, 2017 at 10:40 am

    • Double your dole for a three day week doesn’t sound so bad. Knocks the socks off MWA and the CWP.

      CWP Victim

      May 17, 2017 at 12:36 pm

  2. Andrew Coates

    May 16, 2017 at 12:42 pm

    • The Tories summoned the nation’s media to launch an aggressive counter-attack on the Labour manifesto

      meanwhile.

      John McDonnell challenges Philip Hammond to TV debate

      Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell has thrown down the gauntlet to his rival Philip Hammond.

      Mr McDonnell challenged the Chancellor to a TV debate – anytime, anywhere.

      During a speech in Lincoln he said: “Philip Hammond has fallen out with Theresa May so he might not be around long anyway.

      “But I’m challenging him to a televised debate if he’s still there.

      “He’s talking rubbish about our manifesto and our costings.

      “If he’s confident about his figures he should come and debate them with me.”

      enigma

      May 17, 2017 at 1:48 pm

  3. Since 1979 the Tories have been gradually eroding everything that normal people have gained in the eighty years prior. Vote them out, they are no friend to the working class or to this country in general. Upper class parasites the lot of them.

    Tom Wingrove

    May 16, 2017 at 2:49 pm

  4. Labour are going to suffer a heavy defeat. It isn’t deserved but is what the numbers predict and the numbers, although sometimes wrong, have never been THAT wrong in recorded history. Sadly there will be fewer Labour MPs post-election. Suck it up and pray that Teresa May means some of what she says and that when we leave the EU that the country doesn’t go tits up.

    Pill

    May 16, 2017 at 4:24 pm

    • No thanks.

      enigma

      May 16, 2017 at 8:55 pm

    • It matters not if we leave the EU or not, if the Tories continue on. it will be chaos.

      enigma

      May 17, 2017 at 4:17 am

      • Labour are 20 points behind in the polls; in 2015 Labour under Miliband was 6 points behind, lost the general election, and gave the Conservatives, under the bloody awful Cameron, a double digit majority. It isn’t a question of whether the Tories are going to carry on or not – they are – but how big a majority they are going to end up with.

        Electoral Calculus reckon the Tory majority could be as big as 170 with Labour losing 90 seats.

        http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

        Pill

        May 17, 2017 at 5:30 am

      • It’s not over until the fat lady sings 😉

        Diane Abbott

        May 17, 2017 at 8:11 am

      • They “reckon” – they hope.

        enigma

        May 17, 2017 at 8:25 am

      • Labour is a dead duck. The betting is on how many seats the Cons will win, currently hovering between 392 and 398.

        Mallard

        May 17, 2017 at 8:30 am

      • The bookies have got the Cons at 400 seats and Lab at 162 seats. You can get 20/1 on a Labour majority and 12/1 on Corbyn being the next Prime Minister, but only 1/16 on a Con majority and 1/16 on May being the next PM. If you fancy a more outside punt than Labour and Corbyn you will get 500/1 on Paul Nutall being the next PM and 1000/1 on the Greens having an overall majority. The Cons are the big favourites but then again so was No Brexit and Hilary Clinton 😉

        William Hill

        May 18, 2017 at 9:36 am

  5. Jeremy Corbyn promises £billions to upgrade NHS computers to Windows Vista.

    IT News

    May 16, 2017 at 5:55 pm

  6. I can’t see it. Did they axe Jobseekers Act when they last came into power? Did they axe sanctions? They promised this in 1996… not only did they keep it, they built on the sanctions regime!

    What is the alternative? Vote Labour because it is less bad than the Tories.

    Ipswich town centre is full of homeless people now. Labour will inject more money back into the communites, Tories take more out to give to their rich chums.

    #ToriesOut

    labour manifesto

    May 16, 2017 at 7:20 pm

  7. A different society we would all like to live in, wouldn’t we?

    enigma

    May 16, 2017 at 9:05 pm

  8. Well that’s me of benefits, It means I’ll be more active helping even more people who find themselves sanctioned illegally, I’ll be out sharing the Labour manifesto to as many people as possible including those stupid Tory thinking people.!

    enigma

    May 17, 2017 at 8:32 am

  9. And what about the health and work programme will they be scrapping that? Very much doubt it.

    Marie

    May 17, 2017 at 9:15 am

    • Marie

      We’ve seen and heard a lot about “working in the community” it is voluntary at the moment, as we know.

      It doesn’t matter who’s in GOV, they all have their own. plans.

      enigma

      May 17, 2017 at 9:51 am

    • They don’t need to ‘scrap’ it, it hasn’t been implemented yet. Will they scrap the idea… you would hope so. Anyway, if there’s no sanctions regime, you can refuse it can’t you?

      KJ

      May 19, 2017 at 2:12 am

      • “Quality of life”

        Always said, never practiced. The health and work programme and working in the community is nothing more than passing the buck rather than facing the reality employers just don’t want to hire the disabled,ill, long term unemployed and lets not forget older people over younger ones. Employers want it to be someone else’s problem so it ends musical chairs except this time around, no ones turning the music off.

        How many work focused opportunities have you been on only to be back on the queue come end of interview. Its an admission although DWP will never say it, that these groups are ignored so much, they cant even get to the interview stage so need the practice should they actually get a real one.

        Unless employers get something for free,usually funding, jobs are a closed group. How many jobs fairs do you attend and see traineeships and apprenticeships only to find your excluded because your over 24. How many at these fairs are recruitment agencies rather than actual employers ?

        100’000s of jobs a day they say yet how many attend job fairs ?

        How many promise sell the image of many hours yet only offer contract types that only offer a few or maybe none ?

        While this approach will help government get the claimant count statistically down. It wont allow the claimant to have a stable area of employment and become non state dependent on a permanent basis.

        Just like ageism, DWP and government are ignoring the obvious and using hook nor crook and tax payer candy to hide who they support the most, those they give tax cuts to, public contracts to.

        doug

        May 19, 2017 at 8:14 am

  10. Challenge the Tories in the BBC wherever you find them. i.e. Laura Kuennsberg.

    http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2017/05/17/challenge-the-tories-in-the-bbc-wherever-you-find-them/

    enigma

    May 17, 2017 at 10:39 am

    • Tory manifesto: May’s bid to be tough not cruel

      Theresa May wants to be seen as tough, she does not want to be labelled harsh, or cruel.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39956844

      People on benefits are living in another existence.Its them and us.Rather then claims about making work pay they have created another sub group in society where work is even further away because of lack of opportunities intolerant inflexible attitudes time unemployed and a lack of skills.The barriers are just to great for one person to overcome.Sanctions change none of this or get tough talk or no impact conditionality to problems.

      Its govenments failure at the root cause allowing this to happen over many decades.No jobs just decline.

      ken

      May 18, 2017 at 11:06 am

    • No doubt he’ll be hauled over the coals for refusing to rent to Indians and Pakistani’s, but the low wage earners, single parents etc, will be left to swivel!

      Foxglove

      May 17, 2017 at 12:19 pm

    • The restriction on ‘battered wives’ is more for the safety and security of the property and the immediate neighbours. It is not acceptable to have an ‘ex’ coming round causing disturbances, smashing up the property and attacking the neighbours. Allowing this would get the landlord into trouble.

      Battered Chips

      May 17, 2017 at 4:04 pm

    • A man ahead of his time. This is the way things look set to go under Universal Credit.

      Pill

      May 18, 2017 at 6:37 am

    • Limmy

      May 18, 2017 at 9:15 am

    • So you cant even buy a take away either renting from this fat bloke

      Q

      May 24, 2017 at 3:26 pm

  11. Looks like Corbyn missed his calling as a comedian!

    Foxglove

    May 17, 2017 at 12:08 pm

  12. Department for Work and Pensions ‘has outrageous target’ to reject 80% of benefits appeals

    Hidden ‘mandatory reconsideration’ performance indicator criticised by Parkinson’s charity and former judge

    The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) has been accused of setting an “outrageous target” that staff should turn down four out of five benefit appeals.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dwp-benefit-appeals-target-reject-80-per-cent-outrageous-pip-jobseekers-allowance-department-work-a7740101.html

    The gap in politics in the UK today refects the enormous divide in society.The Tories are looking turn this into a one party state.We are under attack.

    ken

    May 17, 2017 at 1:03 pm

    • Good post Ken, an important one.

      Mandatory reconsiderations and the rule of law. Sir Henry Brooke,

      A former judge who has served as a mediator in benefit appeal cases

      https://sirhenrybrooke.me/2017/05/15/mandatory-reconsiderations-and-the-rule-of-law/

      This will result in many more people finding themselves hungry, homeless/sleeping rough.

      My appeal well it was one of them, wonder how superteds appeal is going, has his appeal been turned down?

      As I said, to hell with them.

      enigma

      May 17, 2017 at 7:56 pm

    • Ken

      I second enigma on giving you top marks for your post.

      We all said here on this sight, never back down, always push it as far as you have to if your innocent and a target measurement of this magnitude just advertises how much of a fit up these sanctions and removals of benefit were.

      And just to prove DWP are still full of crap, why the advertisement for court officers ?

      doug

      May 17, 2017 at 8:01 pm

      • Not content with imposing a sanction on you, they now want to cut off your avenue of appeal! Complete and outright bastards!!!

        Foxglove

        May 17, 2017 at 9:10 pm

  13. The mystery of the three million ‘extra’ voters

    Some 3 million more voters appeared out of the blue come the brexit referendum. Were they real or names of non voters used. Will they surface again come June and if they do, who for ?

    doug

    May 17, 2017 at 8:14 pm

  14. This is for the Tory voters, good luck to all of them.

    enigma

    May 18, 2017 at 8:20 am

    • Another one for the Tory voters!, make sure you don’t have an accident!! and a lot more.

      enigma

      May 18, 2017 at 8:25 am

    • Enigma

      Also:

      Ensure Rich get Richer
      Ensure if/when BritExit goes tits up She does not get blame
      Ensure when Scots leave union She does not get blame
      Ensure boundary commission gives Conmen built in majority
      Ensure She has safe exit plan for herself

      Gazza

      May 18, 2017 at 9:11 am

      • Gazza,

        Ensure that there are more welfare cuts.

        May’s pitch to voters – market intervention, welfare cuts, looser fiscal policy

        http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-election-idUKKCN18D2YK

        enigma

        May 18, 2017 at 9:52 am

      • Bexit is a disaster, you only have look at the massive increase in transaction costs for business to realise that.

        And I don’t think Trump is coming to her rescue….

        Andrew Coates

        May 18, 2017 at 11:19 am

      • Enigma

        Just when i though you were seeing tings clearly, you go drop the ball again.

        What part of as you quote it, “looser fiscal policy” doesn’t scare you a million times more than welfare cuts ?

        doug

        May 18, 2017 at 11:11 pm

  15. Foodbanks are ‘a tragedy unfolding right under our eyes in North Norfolk’

    More than 1000 children in North Norfolk rely on food handouts to survive, new figures have revealed.

    http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/politics/foodbanks-are-a-tragedy-unfolding-right-under-our-eyes-in-north-norfolk-1-5023238

    ken

    May 18, 2017 at 10:47 am

  16. Marie

    May 18, 2017 at 1:02 pm

  17. A comparison of Corbyns manifesto and the 10 planks of communism.

    http://www.thebernician.net/ge17-a-comparison-of-corbyns-policies-and-the-10-planks-of-communism/

    Marie

    May 18, 2017 at 1:47 pm

    • “Corbyn also implied in his Chatham House speech last week that a government led by him would seek to impose greater controls upon cyberspace, necessarily including electronic communications. What is more certain, however, is that a Labour government has no intention of curtailing the intrusive powers of the total surveillance state that has been erected since 9/11. In all probability, it would extend those powers.”

      Last time Labour were in power they wanted us all to have an ID card.

      Big Bruva

      May 18, 2017 at 4:06 pm

      • No matter who and what party. we’ll all be under it and with a digital passport too.

        enigma

        May 18, 2017 at 5:19 pm

      • “impose greater controls upon cyberspace, necessarily including electronic communications”

        There’s another kind of communication over cyberspace ?

        doug

        May 18, 2017 at 11:08 pm

      • Theresa May pledges to create new internet that would be controlled and regulated by government

        “Our starting point is that online rules should reflect those that govern our lives offline,” the Conservatives’ manifesto says, in justification for the new level of regulation.

        Senior Conservatives have also confirmed to BuzzFeed News that the phrasing indicates that the government intends to introduce huge restrictions on what people can post, share and publish online.

        Imagine a future when the only online reflection of reality is a Conservative one. Antisocial media.

        https://kittysjones.wordpress.com/2017/05/19/theresa-may-pledges-to-create-new-internet-that-would-be-controlled-and-regulated-by-government/

        enigma

        May 19, 2017 at 7:35 pm

  18. How poverty makes people less likely to vote

    When the polling stations open next month, it is likely that many of the poorest people will stay away. Britain’s democracy is a divided one

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/16/poverty-election-vote-apathy

    ken

    May 18, 2017 at 6:35 pm

  19. Labours climbing!

    enigma

    May 18, 2017 at 8:20 pm

    • SUMMARY: Con 49%, Lab 34%, Lib 7%, Greens 3%, UKIP 2%

      Pill

      May 19, 2017 at 6:29 am

      • Even if you cant get your chosen PM, you still need to ensure you get enough of the other parties seats so May cant do as she pleases on Brexit.

        What has the Tories achieved in the last 7 years. Despite various cuts and culling to public service,despite giving the juiciest bones to business and the wealthy, we still see the rich get richer,the poor poorer and people have to work harder and longer, inequality grow, still import more than we export, doubled the countries debt, got millions of more people into personal debt,etc.

        The Tories still blame Labour, when New Labour was in they blamed the Tories. Do we want a blame game, is that what you voted for, does it make your life all alright ?

        FACE IT, whoever you vote in, they will increase the countries debt and end up leaving more problems than they solved. Don’t elect to not vote, elect to put your politicians in a corner with tough questions while getting truthful and precise answers.

        Don’t let a political party say we will have to put up tax in a manifesto without explaining precisely what that means, don’t let a political party tell you they wont privatize the NHS while handing out most contracts to private sector businesses, often foreign, don’t let them offer something for free then not fully explain both the best and worst case scenarios. When a politician speaks, strip it apart, look at the pros,cons and unanswered questions. Put them on the spot and don’t let them divert from your point, your question.

        This country is the peoples, not the monopoly board of ideologists who use government as a platform, a portfolio builder for their next super high paid job.

        doug

        May 19, 2017 at 8:59 am

      • REALLY?

        Should I be getting this?

        Mick Jagger

        May 21, 2017 at 1:16 pm

  20. Labour say curbs on winter fuel payments ‘sick and sneaky. as is many of the Tory policies.

    Shadow chancellor John McDonnell said 10 million people would be hit by Tory proposals to means-test the allowance.

    The current universal provision was the “basis of the welfare state” and moving away from it would hit the poorest and worsen fuel poverty, he told the BBC.

    “This means 10 million pensioners waking up this morning to the fact they could lose their allowance.

    “Let me explain why I think is absolutely sick and sneaky.

    “A third of people who qualify for pensioner credits don’t claim.

    “We also have 1.7 million pensioners in this country living in poverty, a million of them in fuel poverty…30,000 excess deaths every winter as a result of fuel poverty and basically people not being able to heat their homes.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39972743

    enigma

    May 19, 2017 at 10:52 am

    • Conservatives offer “Frankenstein’s monster” of a plan to solve care crisis.

      “Every single pensioner needing care at home will now be forced to pay, regardless of their income, because for the first time ever the value of their home will be taken into account

      http://npcuk.org/2601

      enigma

      May 19, 2017 at 12:31 pm

      • Only if their wealth, including the value of their home, is over £100,000, and even if it is they still get to keep £100,000 from the sum total worth of their estate. To be honest I don’t ever expect to be worth over £100,000 and aren’t mad on having to pay tax to enable people with such assets to be able to hand them on to heirs in their will.

        Pill

        May 19, 2017 at 3:46 pm

    • Labour will be handed victory by pensioners abandoned by Theresa May, predicts John McDonnell.

      I’ve talked to a few this morning, I heard then complaining, so good news!

      enigma

      May 19, 2017 at 12:56 pm

    • enigma

      May 19, 2017 at 2:24 pm

      • Trouble is that without something like this working people will have to pay more in tax, direct or indirect, or benefit claimants do with less…

        … and less…

        … and less…

        Pill

        May 19, 2017 at 2:54 pm

      • enigma

        May 19, 2017 at 7:16 pm

      • Why would benefit claimants/low earner tenants be opposed to this? Do they want to work longer/harder so that middle-class knobheads can inherit huge sums of money? And in any case £100,000 is ring-fenced to be paid out in inheritances? And on the same theme, why are benefit claimants/low earner tenants kicking up a fuss about well-off pensioners being denied the winter fuel allowance. David Dimbleby and Vince Cable admitted on last night’s Question Time to claiming it! Is it just because it is the Tories who intend to introduce these policies?

        The Wihdrawal Method

        May 19, 2017 at 8:14 pm

      • And it was May that said that it was “unfair” that well-off pensioners receive this benefit which is denied to families who are struggling to get by. As Corbyn/Labour continue to score own goals against the Tories they just make themselves look stupider and stupider. And it was Ed Balls who said on This Week that night that is would be a “fantastic victory for Labour” if they won 200 seats in the forthcoming General Election. What planet are these clowns on?

        The Withdrawal Method

        May 19, 2017 at 8:21 pm

      • Labour have already stated that they would continue to pay out this needless benefit strutting out the mantra stolen from the poison dwarf up north: “It is not a King’s Ransom”, maybe not if you are on an MPs, Chief Dwarf of Jockland’s salary, but to someone on benefits./a low earner the winter fuel allowance would represent an absolute fortune.

        The Withdrawal Method

        May 19, 2017 at 8:26 pm

      • ALERT The Withdrawal Method is a ConMan

        Gazza

        May 20, 2017 at 10:21 am

      • Gazza if you want to pay for the care of the rich elderly and their winter fuel allowances that your problem but don’t expect anyone else to be so keen. IDIOT!

        Azzag

        May 20, 2017 at 12:34 pm

      • Ah, yet another ConMan Mayfly Excuser steps up.
        Lets look at the numbers shall we? So if just 1 rich honky gets
        Benefits it invalidates giving it to those that need it? Oh wait
        Isn’t benefits means tested?
        Oops. Truly, a stunning deptj of knowledge is on display here.

        gazza

        May 21, 2017 at 7:05 am

      • Should The Tories Win New Name MOTHER Theresa ?

        On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 8:06 AM, Ipswich Unemployed Action. wrote:

        > gazza commented: “Ah, yet another ConMan Mayfly Excuser steps up. Lets > look at the numbers shall we? So if just 1 rich honky gets Benefits it > invalidates giving it to those that need it? Oh wait Isn’t benefits means > tested? Oops. Truly, a stunning deptj of knowledg” >

        Philip Brown

        May 21, 2017 at 7:52 am

  21. Don’t publish the NHS deficit trust figures until after the election. we need to hide the true state of the NHS.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nhs-trust-deficit-figures-purdah-rule-general-election-2017-after-a7744086.html

    enigma

    May 19, 2017 at 10:58 am

  22. You really have to be a nut job to come up with slogans like this.

    Marie

    May 19, 2017 at 12:34 pm

    • A prosperous future for the rich when we take more from the poor.

      Forward together, when we’re running for our lives from the poor.

      A stronger Britain, who know what that means.

      enigma

      May 19, 2017 at 12:47 pm

    • Didn’t Cameron and Osborne use the jingle “We’re all in it together”? And look what those bastards ended up doing!

      Pill

      May 20, 2017 at 7:00 am

  23. A stronger Britain – more shackles on others, I’m looking at you scotland

    A prosperous futre – for the very well off

    Forward together – when there is more than one, can blame others for own failings. Especially if failings are deliberate to line own pocket or gather power/control to yourself… if inly I’d been allowed, if you’d done as I said, do it this way… etc etc

    gazza

    May 19, 2017 at 4:58 pm

  24. Newspaper Hostility To Jeremy Corbyn Exposed In Audit Of Election Reporting.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/newspaper-hostility-jeremy-corbyn-election_uk_591e49b1e4b03b485cb03123

    enigma

    May 20, 2017 at 3:59 am

  25. Brexit talks are illegal as thousands of expats could not vote in EU referendum, says French lawyer

    Julien Fouchet says the case is a human rights issue

    “The vote is the essence of democracy and all European citizens should have the same rights when it comes to expressing their democratic rights. We should fight for the British, this is a question of European solidarity and human rights,” he said.

    If the case is successful, Mr Fouchet said he will call for a second referendum to be held, when all adult British voters would be asked whether Brexit negotiations should go ahead or whether the process should be reversed, meaning the UK could stay in the EU

    The Bank of England warns. Brexit is already starting to make families poorer,

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/brexit-talks-illegal-uk-expats-british-abroad-not-vote-french-lawyer-julien-fouchet-european-a7745216.html

    enigma

    May 20, 2017 at 9:03 am

    • Well I never BritExit means more poor [note to self, didn’t Herr I Diot Smith not get rid of official criteria for poor…], and poorness is now leaking upwards… I wonder what BritExit will mean for middle/upper middle class…
      oh, and pensioners – after triple lock is gone and the City finishes raping them of any money left after changes to social care, and spunking off their pensions as GidIdiot wants everyone to do [ConMen think its a good thing as the Adam Smith institute pointed out before the last election – change things in the negative and the oldies forget about it by the time the next election cycle comes round…, or they’re dead so no longer a drain… ]

      Gazza

      May 20, 2017 at 10:19 am

      • Gazza

        The pensioner/retired, the last vestige of liquidity. Done with ring fencing it, now they turn their gaze to suckling from it like a child to it mothers breast. Any country in final crisis always, always comes for the pensioners goods. What your seeing here is precisely what this government has done with the 2007/8 depression. If the banks hadn’t been bailed, public finances cut and stretched, we all would have seen a much amplified version of 1928. Instead we have seen an elongation of mitigation in the hope things will improve. As you have seen, the tide of those affected is rising.

        So what do you do as a government be it wrong or right. You clip and change the edges, you sacrifice the ends for the middle. Reduce the negatives while burdening the potential with financial theory (borrowing/debt) until the two meet.

        The consolidation of true wealth is not all assets, its potential or more importantly potential difference.

        doug

        May 20, 2017 at 1:22 pm

      • I can remember the time in the 70’s and 80’s. if the police stopped you. if yo had less than the price of a bus ticket [out of town] they could nick you for vagrancy. even if you were not a vagrant

        PHILIP B

        May 20, 2017 at 1:44 pm

      • Philip B

        You’re referring to the infamous SPG, where the cops ended up as nefarious as the criminals they were setup to protect us from. Rather than track enemy number one (criminal underground), they took bungs, even stated by some to have been infiltrated to avert their gaze. So naturally inorder to be seen to be doing something, harassed teenagers and pub goers like a curfew was in place, set differently for different age groups.

        Nothing was reasonable in those days as many can attest to the feel of a truncheon or two,often dished out in the back of a police wagon your thrown into head first.

        doug

        May 20, 2017 at 3:39 pm

      • All I know is that I always feel great after feeling up the collar of a blagger before clipping the bracelets on the felon and running him back to the station where we beat a confession out of the villain with a length of rubber hose. Once that’s in my mitts hauling his arse into court to stand before the beak and get him sentenced to serve a stretch of porridge in the chokey at her majesty’s pleasure is a cinch.

        There’s no such thing as an innocent citizen!

        Watch yourselves! And shut it!

        DCI Gene Hunt (Rtd)

        May 21, 2017 at 8:49 am

      • Shouldn’t it be, “behave yourself”, or else!

        enigma

        May 21, 2017 at 9:40 am

      • Enigma

        No point picking fault in his words, hes colloquialism is all over the place.
        Felon,blagger,chokey. I particularly liked the reference to Sweeney talk.

        doug

        May 21, 2017 at 10:17 am

      • On the Dementia Tax – I can gaurentee that the cost of
        Admininstration is not capped though this is a Gov approved Ponzi scheme so it will be a lot less than £100k. Also what about when there has been a remortgage? Same there even if paying for say hospital/nursing fees – remember the ConMen want to get rid of the NHS. Think of all that lovely money going on useless insurance like “Life Long Gaurentee” (a scan if ever there was one – note cannot pay in if under 50… I wonder why). And this is the City Industry that is meant to save us? Really?

        gazza

        May 21, 2017 at 11:10 am

      • Of course it is a scam. Who in their right mind takes out a life insurance policy at age 50 and over.

        Loss Adjuster

        May 21, 2017 at 12:15 pm

      • Dentitia Tax to have Cap? Really? You are expected to believe a word from Witch May that she and the ConMen ‘We’re all in it Together’ crowd is to be trusted in anything they say? Watch how costs of administration and fees will be carefully excluded.

        Case in point. Forced sale. Who pays? It surely won’t be Gov/insurers, so who does that leave?

        gazza

        May 22, 2017 at 11:38 am

      • People who are demented are by definition not going to be any the wiser anyway. Demented – it doesn’t comprehend what is says on the tin!

        Dee Mented

        May 24, 2017 at 12:52 pm

  26. IT IS also a case of HUMAN RIGHTS that europeans living here with PERMANENT residency could not vote either

    PHILIP B

    May 20, 2017 at 9:46 am

  27. This is the Tories for you.

    Tory deputy mayor: Best thing for disabled children is the guillotine

    The retired GP made his sick suggestion to fellow councillors as they discussed sending the youngsters to a £3,000-a-week care home

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tory-deputy-mayor-owen-lister-558677

    enigma

    May 20, 2017 at 5:10 pm

    • He showed no remorse or regret either but stood by what he said. What makes it even worse is that, as a doctor, the Hippocratic oath he once swore included a promise to “do no harm”. Unfuckingbelievable.

      Pill

      May 20, 2017 at 5:45 pm

  28. T may’s rapid vision for a one party state. – history

    enigma

    May 20, 2017 at 5:41 pm

    • They’ll strangle us with the union jack and rising inflation.

      A once 47p jar of value coffee has jumped to 78p since this Brexit.Its hardly any wonder thers so much problem with Universal Credit rents and budgeting with hikes like that on one item.

      These gunslingers risk take us further into a abyss of uncertainty decline in living standards and potentially leave us on the cold shoulder of Europe in decisions which could be very detrimental with little or no influence.On the hoof politics is a dangerous game.The Tories will do anything to gain and hold power againt everyone elses long term interests for a quick no thought properganda vote.

      The signs are there the BBC comparing the far right national front policies of marie le pen with Brexit thinking on the same line.Thankfully the French people stood up and rejected that road.

      ken

      May 20, 2017 at 6:49 pm

  29. Disabled people ‘forced into dangerous workfare that breaches health and safety laws’

    One wrote: “Hard labour on feet all day heavy lifting despite my medical conditions.

    “Out of eight that started, only three remain after working all day in the heavy rain and getting soaked and chilled to the bone.”

    Another claimant who challenged the unsafe working conditions was “sacked” and given a six-month benefit sanction.

    http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/disabled-people-forced-into-dangerous-workfare-that-breaches-health-and-safety-laws/

    ken

    May 20, 2017 at 9:50 pm

  30. ADVICE PLEASE I recently sent further evidence to DWP/ESA showing a change in health. I asked to be moved from WRAG to SUPPORTED. I have been sent an ESA50 plus notice of assessment. Will the DWP add the new information to that that they already have. [2] Is the worst they can do keep me on wrag as I am already on it. OR do they treat this as a completely new assessment. I am 60 and I don’t yhink with my health history, Incapacity Benefit and Esa since 1997 any employer will want to know

    Philip B

    May 21, 2017 at 8:02 am

    • If you haven’t worked for two years you have more chance of dying or retiring than finding employment. Given that you are 60 and haven’t worked for 20 years makes it more likely that we will see pigs flying than you getting a job.

      The Flying Pigs

      May 21, 2017 at 8:31 am

  31. Shock poll shows Jeremy Corbyn narrowing the gap with Theresa May as Tories suffer weekend wobble

    OH Dear the Tory Graph isn’t happy!

    Shock poll shows Labour 9 points behind Theresa May
    Tories suffer after ‘dementia tax’ manifesto
    Jeremy Corbyn addresses thousands at gig in Liverpool

    Jeremy Corbyn will be pleased this morning as polls show voters are willing to support him in greater numbers than at the start of the campaign.

    Labour is still nine points behind Theresa May but there will be jitters in the Conservative camp this morning. ,

    enigma

    May 21, 2017 at 9:21 am

    • REALLY ?

      Should i be getting this ?

      Mentioned it thousands of times over the years i don’t think.

      doug

      May 21, 2017 at 10:34 am

      • Jesus, Mick. Ain’t you ever satisfied?

        B. Wyman

        May 21, 2017 at 2:35 pm

  32. TRUST US, DON’T QUESTION THE FACTS

    Its hypocritical to question Labours costings yet feel you don’t have to present likewise.

    “I suspect that figure requires some heroic assumptions” was Greens answer to a pensioner paying a further £70’000, twice that under the current system.

    “She wont be paying anything”, in other words her kids will by losing out on inheritance.

    Green states why should the now working taxpayer foot the bill for pensioners social care. He talks of choice yet do we choose to get old, get mental health condition’s.

    Remember when i wrote a little while back how pensioners are a governments stealth bank, that the proceeds get churned over an taxed again when passed on. This is an aggressive stealth tax and a crafty manipulative way to control that money at the front, the middle and in the end.

    Think really hard about this as the Andrew Marrs show didn’t cover it entirety if you put this proposal in place and run the variables like what to do or not make the money before retirement, while in retirement and after death with it in your mind how you would be best off or not as the case will be when you study it. This also implies future health insurance in times to come when you imply why should today’s taxpayer workers foot the bill. Also remember you wont be seeing a fall in tax and NI contributions coming your way taxpayers.

    Lastly Green is misrepresenting bonds (gilts) when talking to John McDonnell. Green comparing bonds to himself taking out a mortgage isn’t the same thing when your the one making the bonds. Further this government has doubled the national debt yet doesn’t seem to feel that Labour should do the same and that somehow it wont work for them even though their claim it did for them.

    Given that tax revenue has to still rise ontop of what this current Tory manifesto puts forward or even Labours, i hope everyone’s switched on.

    Put your politicians in a corner, make them answer the hard questions and get the facts, if they avoid you, then it should be incentive enough to place your vote elsewhere.

    doug

    May 21, 2017 at 11:15 am

    • Thought you would be in favour of this, doug, being a self-proclaimed Marxist and all that. One of the tenets of Marxism is that you are not allowed to inherit wealth. Inherited wealth is a big no-no according to Marx. Inherited wealth give those with wealthy parents a head-start in life, they do better than their poor counterparts, and so the cycle continues. As the saying goes, if you are born poor, you live poor, you die poor. In setting limits on inherited wealth, the Tories AND Labour are attempting to address this inherent unfairness in society.

      The Tories have set a limit of £100,000 inheritable wealth from a deceased person’s estate. Labour are even less generous, £80,000, £70,000, the figure goes down every time the Labour spokesperson speaks. McDonnell has been drafted in to set a hard and fast limit. These Labour and Tories limits will be whittled down no doubt until Marx has his way and we all set out in life on a level playing field.

      There is broad political consensus on this one. If you aren’t due to come into any inheritances i.e. poor you have absolutely nothing to worry about, doug. How many of the poorest in society are in line for a £100,000 inheritance? This policy will not affect YOU! It is a non-issue.

      Of course the smart people won’t get caught out. They will hide/transfer their wealth to their offspring/whomever, dispose of large immovable pieces of property beforehand.

      Ipswich Marxist

      May 21, 2017 at 12:00 pm

      • Ipswich Marxist

        Im an absolute, i don’t follow tired old practices. Now to call me what you have, you must have read my posts so did the one about its not our politics that needs to change, its us that needs to, allude you as i think it has.

        You can take your pick of any of these tired practices as they don’t work as if they did then why aren’t we all living in utopia ?

        My aim isn’t to advise any person to entertain a particular party or their economical and political ideology. My aim is to highlight no matter the party in government, the folly of their selfish ways and practices by taking a tin opener to them. I was as hard on New Labour as im now on the Tories.

        Hence the “Put your politicians in a corner” remark that you should note does not refer to a specific party.

        Lets go with the mantra, distribution of wealth by order of government. Is it any liker to fair better than all the previous attempts ?
        This also isn’t a premise to state we should stick with capitalism and just keep tweaking it as ultimately the result is the same. This is so because of our attitudes. Take a poor person, make them rich, will you see them redistribute it selflessly. Highly unlikely.

        Again and again and again your see its attitude to wealth whether you have it or not. This innate instinct to acquire, to accrue, to be envious, to be greedy, to be selfish in the name of.

        Change your stale economical and political ideology all you like, it will serve you little good if the person/s behind it doesn’t change themselves.

        doug

        May 21, 2017 at 1:40 pm

      • To accrue more and more wealth, accumulate more and more assets than the next person is yuman nature, innit? You can’t change yuman nature like. At heart we are all Tories like.

        Londoner

        May 21, 2017 at 1:56 pm

      • Londoner

        Its in your nature as a predator to kill yet you still chose to or not so why cant you be selfless, acquire only what you need rather than want.

        doug

        May 21, 2017 at 7:41 pm

      • Indeed! If Marx had his way every last penny of your estate would fall to the Crown. Inherited wealth would be abolished. Labour/Tories make inroads towards implementing Marx’s ideology and the ‘Marxists’ are up in arms. What gives?

        Lowestoft Marxist

        May 23, 2017 at 10:16 am

    • £100,000 is a reasonable inheritance to have.

      Damian Green

      May 21, 2017 at 1:03 pm

    • REALLY?

      Should I be getting this?

      Mick Jagger

      May 21, 2017 at 1:14 pm

      • Jesus, Mike. You’re getting child benefit for the sprog you fathered at 72. What more do you want?

        Jerry Murdoch nee Hall

        May 21, 2017 at 2:40 pm

      • dear oh dear, Andrew do you have a can of insect exterminator? There appears to be an infestation of ConMen Mayfly maggots lately…

        Gazza

        May 21, 2017 at 3:00 pm

    • Old people paying for their own care is not even May’s idea, doug! It was stolen from Ed Milliband’s manifesto. How’z about that then? 😉

      Vote Now

      May 21, 2017 at 6:25 pm

      • I may have missed the Item on the news. I thought I may have heard that as well as sanctions going one party wants to get rid of medical assessments too. Anybody else here this. If so which party.

        Philip B

        May 22, 2017 at 7:11 am

      • Steve C*unt & Hugh Penis

        May 22, 2017 at 7:46 am

    • May climbs down on ‘dementia tax’ plans after poll lead halves, Don’t believe a word.

      http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-election-idUKKBN18H14R

      enigma

      May 22, 2017 at 1:21 pm

      • Now capped.

        enigma

        May 22, 2017 at 1:44 pm

      • Now the party (Tory) appears to be attempting to limit that controversy by stopping people reading about it. It is thought it is spending thousands of pounds to keep people from reading about the widespread opposition to the party ( with adds on Google) – and encourage them to click on its own website instead.

        enigma

        May 22, 2017 at 2:06 pm

  33. A radical alternative to burial and cremation

    alkaline solution. It will arrive in the UK soon.

    For burial, the net cost was 63.66 euros per body. For cremation, it was 48.47 euros. For alkaline hydrolysis, just 2.59 euros.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/dissolving_the_dead

    enigma

    May 22, 2017 at 1:35 pm

    • What happens to the juice?

      Jerry Murdoch nee Hall

      May 22, 2017 at 3:51 pm

      • The effluent gets flushed down the drain.

        Dr Hawley Crippen

        May 22, 2017 at 6:46 pm

    • That all make for some interesting soil samples.

      doug

      May 23, 2017 at 9:39 pm

  34. Labour is surging in the polls – and it’s all because the media is finally giving Jeremy Corbyn impartial coverage

    It is also interesting how Labour’s poll bounce coincides with general election broadcast rules kicking in. The public are finally seeing that Corbyn is not the person he has been portrayed as

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-polling-general-election-2017-favourite-young-voters-a7749251.html

    enigma

    May 22, 2017 at 1:37 pm

  35. Food stamps, Medicaid on chopping block in Trump’s budget

    WASHINGTON (AP) – President Donald Trump will unveil a proposed budget this week that would drive millions of people off food stamps and cut Medicaid, targeting the social safety-net programs for the poor in a new wave of spending cuts.

    Trump’s blueprint for the 2018 budget year comes out Tuesday. It includes reductions to benefit programs such as Medicaid, the government insurance program for the poorest and many disabled Americans; federal employee pensions, welfare benefits and farm subsidies.

    Cuts include a whopping $193 billion from food stamps over the coming decade – a cut of more than 25 percent – implemented by cutting back eligibility and imposing additional work requirements, according to talking points circulated by the White House. The program presently serves about 42 million people.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-4530572/Food-stamps-Medicaid-chopping-block-Trumps-budget.html

    enigma

    May 22, 2017 at 4:14 pm

  36. Record 60% of Britons in poverty are in working families

    Low pay is a trigger for in-work poverty

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/22/record-britons-in-work-poverty-families-study-private-rented-housing

    ken

    May 22, 2017 at 10:49 pm

  37. Bond

    May 23, 2017 at 4:33 am

    • Fuck off back to Asgard, Loki.s

      Thor Odinson

      May 23, 2017 at 7:04 pm

  38. Bond

    May 23, 2017 at 5:05 am

  39. Social Care. As it stands we all still have too pay for social care out of our own funds if we have any. What then is the social care element for on the council tax bills. When this was added I thought it would be the end of paying for social care from our ”own funds” Can anybody explain that

    Philip B

    May 23, 2017 at 9:04 am

    • The ‘baby boomers’ bought property for peanuts and have made huge returns on their ‘investment’. They have made obscene profits. Why should they (and the beneficiaries) of their estates be allowed to benefit? This is a rich/middle-class problem. Why do people who are being sanctioned to death and dependent on foodbanks give a shit?

      Foodbank

      May 23, 2017 at 10:02 am

    • “Care cap and means test changes

      The government’s Care Act legislation contains many changes to social care, but the two main changes affecting how care is funded are:

      1. A lifetime cap on care costs set at £72,000

      It is proposed that a cap of £72,000 will be introduced. That means that no one will have to pay any more for their eligible care needs to be met once they have spent a total of £72,000.

      This cap will apply to the cost of care that people receive either in their own home or living in a care home.

      It does not include someone’s ‘hotel costs’ (i.e. bed and board) if they are living in a care home. These would still be charged separately even after reaching the cap, however, hotel costs will be capped as well at £12,000 per year.

      The cap was due to come into effect from April 2016 but the government has delayed this until April 2020.

      2. Changes to the means test

      The means test is where a person’s finances and assets are looked at to decide how much they should contribute towards the cost of their care.

      Changes to the means test were due to come into effect in April 2016, but they are now also set to be delayed until April 2020.

      At the moment, your capital and savings below £14,250 are disregarded in the means test.

      If you have:

      between £14,250 and £23,250 in capital and savings and you are eligible for care, the council will contribute towards your care costs

      capital and savings above £23,250, you will have to fund all of your own social care.

      After April 2020:

      the £23,250 upper limit will be raised to £118,000
      the lower limit will be raised to £17,000

      Therefore, anyone with assets of between £17,000 and £118,500 who meets the eligibility criteria for care will be entitled to some financial support according to a sliding scale.

      To put it another way, anyone with less than £118,000 in savings will in future be entitled to at least some financial support to help pay their care costs if they need to enter a care home.”

      Apparently up in Scotchland there is FREE social care for all.

      https://www.ageuk.org.uk/home-and-care/care-homes/social-care-funding-changes/care-cap-and-means-test-changes/

      Age UK

      May 23, 2017 at 10:11 am

    • I know of Some people who are refusing care, we can expect there are many refusing care.

      enigma

      May 23, 2017 at 10:38 am

  40. enigma

    May 23, 2017 at 3:23 pm

    • Ah, the wonders of Photoshop 🙂

      Rent-A-Mob

      May 23, 2017 at 5:08 pm

      • You’ve got to love adobe, i know the Tories do.

        That flash player has afforded them all the opportunities to say something untrue often enough and for long enough to gain all the electorate they’ve got fooled.

        doug

        May 23, 2017 at 9:52 pm

      • Javashit(script) and adobe flash are the biggest CPU hogs to infest internet browsers -ever! Steve Jobs was right to ban battery-draining flash from Apple devices. How many CPUs have these gruesome twosome fried between them? Does Intel have a stake in adobe/javascript?

        CPU Hog

        May 29, 2017 at 9:10 am

      • CPU Hog

        Your talking about apples phones and netbook and would be now tablets. All have tiny CPUs and low RAM so just about anything will overload them. The problem with java is the sheer amount its used on advertisements on websites. If websites didn’t allow so much advertising, it wouldn’t have been such an issue.

        doug

        May 29, 2017 at 9:46 am

      • Yeah, it’s the connecting to external sites, loading all the ads, crap, and Facebook shit on every page, displaying flash ads and processing javascript that bogs down a browser/computer. Even this (wordpress) site is loaded with garbage.

        Banana

        May 29, 2017 at 9:55 am

      • Banana

        Actually no, not anymore. Browsers by default these days disable java. Even if they didn’t, there’s nothing stopping you from disabling it. It does not prevent the site functioning or you viewing it on this site or wordpress in general.

        I actually go further and bar video and pictures from content providers such as

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System
        Crisis Actor
        Violet

        To name but few so my viewing isn’t polluted with videos and images such as Illuminati, sandyhook and crap and thus proving you don’t need moderation blanket cover to filter out content you choose not to view. This is a fair way of doing it as you don’t impede there right to the freedom of expression, nor have to judge whether or not there’s any truth to it at the same time.

        We are all adults so should be left to decide the content we view and model our settings accordingly.

        doug

        May 29, 2017 at 10:38 am

      • Doug

        Java is a run-time environment. JavaSCRIPT is ALWAYS enabled by default, and increasingly difficult to disable. e.g Firefox no longer includes an enable/disable option, you have to install an add-on. It is true that blocking Stepping Razor Sound Plate System (and others) does take a mighty weight of a browser 😀

        Banana

        May 29, 2017 at 10:54 am

      • Banana

        Firstly whats what depends on the persons age of OS and browser. In the case of firefox, they don’t use x active and why you have to download it if you need it. Windows 10 or more importantly edge don’t use this method anymore hence why windows 10 still incorporates the old IE.

        If you have an older system, the same rules still apply as regards turning these things on or off. Now its impossible to say because i would have to actually see your system running and have a look but what people forget is that IE activates on bootup and thus activates x active in the background. By simply disabling IE on start up and not having it in your one click tray (bottom left). Because this happens, even if your using chrome or firefox and never IE, it appears as operating.
        No program can run (not including certain os only code) that cannot be stopped.

        doug

        May 29, 2017 at 11:41 am

      • Banana

        Poor old violet and company were obviously listening to us as their working there tits off trying to pollute the thread. Poor old violet does not realize they can change their name,email even IP, it still does not make their pictured/video posts show up as its the owners system that controls the protocols, not this website.

        The added beauty of doing what i do is that it resizes their post area to 1 to 3 lines.

        doug

        May 29, 2017 at 12:03 pm

      • Doug

        Doug said: “No program can run (not including certain os only code) that cannot be stopped.” That’s not strictly true since malicious programs will start up in WinLogon in the registry meaning that the only way to remove the critters is by means of a ‘live disk’. Not even that, a lot of programs will detect when they have been removed from auto-start and re-instate themselves. All programmers love their software to take up permanent residence in the system tray.

        Banana

        May 29, 2017 at 12:30 pm

      • Violet

        May 29, 2017 at 12:36 pm

  41. 😉

    Marie

    May 23, 2017 at 6:25 pm

  42. So I showed ‘un to ‘er and she said ‘e was a good size.

    Swizzle

    May 23, 2017 at 7:06 pm

  43. Resolution foundation (living standards of those in Britain on low to middle incomes).

    http://www.resolutionfoundation.org/about-us/mission/

    doug

    May 23, 2017 at 9:57 pm

  44. Anti Tory posters going up all over London.

    Marie

    May 24, 2017 at 6:08 am

  45. If you lose your job and become unemployed you’re expected to be willing to travel for 90 minutes to work and 90 minutes back. What does this even mean? Can the Jobcentre force you to use your own motorbike or car to cover that distance? With car parking, fuel, and ear and tear this might be unaffordable on the minimum wage on a daily basis and certainly unaffordable for part-time work. Can you refuse to use your motorcycle/car to use to go to work and back? Just wondering. Anybody know?

    Ash

    May 24, 2017 at 6:17 am

    • It’s not up to DWP how you get to work and back, it’s your choice.

      enigma

      May 24, 2017 at 8:40 am

    • Ash

      No they cant because there not allowed to tell you how to spend your money. All they can expect is your walk around 6 miles to work.
      On the affordability part of your question, while there’s no sense for a worker to spend to much money getting to work. When you include still paying for your vehicle (loan),insurance,MOT, parts, consumables (ie, oil,brake fluid,etc) ontop of fuel and parking, it could be quite an expensive option made even worse if say you live in London and pay a charge to enter the city.

      Rail fares to some places is also questionable as distance does not dictate price so could quite easily consume a third of a persons wage if the pay rate and or hours are low. You also have to figure no one claiming benefits is going to be able to afford a season ticket so will be paying daily (the most expensive option).

      You would think by now government would give PAYE workers the same rights as the self employed and make travel and vehicle costs tax deductible. However while this helps workers of so many hours, it wont be any assistance if you don’t earn enough to actually pay tax.
      What government could do in the very least and but again wont, would be to make it deductible for benefit claimants prior to the taper effect kicking in.

      doug

      May 24, 2017 at 8:54 am

      • Ash

        Its also worth noting that 6 miles could be reduced if say the person has certain health problems that would effect the rate at which they can walk.

        DWP like to say a lot of things but the truth is they can only do whats enforceable by regulation. Basically if they cannot show it in regulation, they cannot insist on it.

        doug

        May 24, 2017 at 8:59 am

      • Doug is correct. The average person walks at three to four miles per hour, so that equates to a travel-to-work distance of 4.5 to 6 miles. The DWP can’t force anyone to shell out for car usage, bus/train fares, interstellar travel. Doubtful that they can even force anyone to fork out for shoe leather so that leaves only work-from-home type of jobs 😉

        Inter Stella

        May 24, 2017 at 12:09 pm

    • 90 minutes by spaceship would get you to the Andromeda galaxy 😉

      The Aliens

      May 24, 2017 at 11:56 am

      • What about ‘wormholes’? Do the DWP expect claimants to utilise these interstellar ‘shortcuts’ to increase the amount of travel that can be achieved in 90 minutes?

        Interstellar

        May 24, 2017 at 12:00 pm

      • Your joking right Interstellar, DWP and government don’t understand holes fullstop.

        Holes in their welfare reform, holes in their I.T, holes in their data and holes in their lies.

        Considering computers and net have been around viably and commercially since the mid 90s, light speed and wormholes is a leap of faith just to far for any British government to mentally comprehend.

        doug

        May 24, 2017 at 12:35 pm

      • All for 30 ZOGS an hour. But how long is an hour on Andromeda

        Captain ZXXR of glaxay cruiser 6

        May 25, 2017 at 8:45 am

    • if you live in southampton. the isle of white is a daily comute

      Q

      May 24, 2017 at 3:03 pm

    • Cheers, guys. I thought that the DWP couldn’t punish you for refusing to cycle or use your own transport. Although I have got a motorcycle and wouldn’t mind using it to travel a fair distance, if I had a good wage, I wouldn’t want to go a long way for only a few minimum wage hours. Anyway, like I said, thanks all.

      Ash

      May 24, 2017 at 3:48 pm

  46. PLANS FOR TOTAL AUTOMATION OF WELFARE NEXT YEAR

    Certain DWP advisors and managers are making it known to some claimants that DWP is looking to go fully online next year. Now you may have noticed DWP as of late has been sending a lot of claimants to take ECDL courses not to mention a further push to ensure all claimants are on UJM, not to mention renewed attempts to get the famous signing pad working properly so when combined could mean this move to full automation of welfare could really be coming in next year.

    Now i know it does for me, raise some pretty big questions, one being what about those claimants who managed to fail their ECDL on many attempts (you get three tries at training providers). Naturally it also raises the massive question of security and its relation with the data protection act (DWPs legal responsibility towards all claimants).

    Now what they don’t teach you properly on these ECDLs is exactly what this law means so even if you have passed this course, DO NOT take to the notion you now understand it. Further more it never really covered the cookie law. Basically WHAT IM SAYING is when you use someone elses electronic device be it connected to the net or not, you are giving legal consent and agreeing to their rules of use and what and what they can do with your personal and or sensitive data and how much legal responsibility they will take.

    Now if you are familiar using the PCs in DWP or providers you will note, they get you to consent (implied or explicit) that they will take no legal responsibility for the theft of your personal and or sensitive data before it has squarely landed on their own system servers. This means while making a claim say online that if such data is stolen between you pressing send and them receiving said data, that they have no legal responsibility towards its safe guard despite it being their machine. Now many a person will be using these machines,libraries are an example so safe guarding such devices are doubly impossible what with the opportunity to commit such a crime (put in place) being able to be carried out physically present (ie ATM SCAM but with software instead of hardware) or remotely (not in person and no where remotely near the device).

    Please do discuss this as you know government does not intend to address security and use concerns prior to dropping its introduction like a bomb (ie, there a throw it in and deal with the fallout later if they have to merchants).

    doug

    May 24, 2017 at 9:40 am

    • doug

      Spot on – was recently told I would HAVE to use the digital signing rubbish [I look forward to a Windows 98esque hardware buffer overrun fault being solved so easily – remember the current contract is for 5 years, and each one costs a min of £120 per desk per month].
      My response was “I look forward to the new parliamentary Primary Act forcing this”. Silence. Why Primary Legislation? Well it will be changing basic rights [i.e. consent] on the part of not just claimants but for everyone else. Examples [simplified for the ConMen Muppets], get food from shop: Must use this unique Signing machine, no other option – if you get hacked your problem… Get petrol from filing station if driving – see earlier… Passport, Rail Ticket, Bus Ticket, etc etc.
      Ooops. Meaning anyone doing anything can therefore be forced to do stuff they do not want, let alone the security aspects you have highlighted which of course come under… you guessed it… Consent.

      Gazza

      May 24, 2017 at 11:38 am

      • Gazza

        I don’t know how much of the change your aware of but like say a group session, you will notice no one signs anything other than to verbally announce their name when called out. What particularly interesting here is the person taking the session does not announce prior that you do have the right to abstain from answering that question because you would be effectively broadcasting your personal data to strangers, the same strangers remember DWP use when saying you cannot record your meeting with them.

        To most it just passes them by but for me, it never goes unnoticed and gets logged in case DWP and or government use it as a premise to announce a change on the balance of such an event, claiming it to be a trial be it very unannounced. I would like to say DWP is moving in a different direction but alas their still weaving their craftiness like for instance it was told to me by one of my spies that a DWP worker failed to mention to a claimant when informed about a problem by them, that the individual in question did have the right to not attend a group session and that DWP must make available a separate and secluded space and opportunity for this individual to be seen.

        As for your mention of a signing pad in every shop while in theory totally possible is i feel highly unlikely dew to various reasons like security,damage,error and of course cost. It would be far more cost worthy to track a claimants bank card but legally, currently they cannot do that unless your under investigation for a tax related crime or suspicion of, something they will not be able to stone wall the public on if doing it to every claimant regularly. This also would make them open to criminal allegations of harassment.

        There’s no doubting they plan to be judge,jury and executioner within your gateway account although at intervals will see you physically visit a much smaller and whittled down version of JCP.for various things like say a review,benefit queries and no doubt interrogation of certain stuff.

        doug

        May 24, 2017 at 12:20 pm

    • How are they DWP going to implement the signing-on pad though. Issue each and every jobseeker with their own personal Lightscribe signing on pad? Sign on using a mouse? But a mouse could only compare the signature and the speed, the Lightscribe also compares the angle and the pressure, impossible with a mouse. Electronic signing by mouse would open the door to some sort of automated, task-scheduler process being used to sign-on – no user intervention required!

      Universal Automation

      May 24, 2017 at 12:40 pm

      • Universal Automation

        Yeah, and there going to give us all laptops and free internet access as well, haven’t you heard.

        Tell me Universal Automation, is there ever a time when you get up in the morning where being an idiot isn’t your first career choice ?

        You just answered your own question in that they wouldn’t. The signing pads will be used for other purposes like finalizing a claim for benefit, acknowledgment to receiving a physical document, a change of CC, etc which you will no doubt do when you visit when asked to one of these whittled down versions of JCP i spoke of.

        doug

        May 24, 2017 at 1:05 pm

      • Maybe thumb print recognition

        Q

        May 24, 2017 at 3:00 pm

      • Signing on stops with Universal Credit.

        Ash

        May 24, 2017 at 3:51 pm

      • The DWP intend to tatoo barcodes on people to identify them.

        Grand Master Heirophant Imperator Cancellarius of the Great Rite Panjanderum

        May 24, 2017 at 7:12 pm

      • Have you ever tried signing something online (with a mouse)? Close to impossible. I am sure some people are able to do it but most would struggle. This is why most websites have checkboxes, disclaimer and a button.

        Ben Gummer Out

        May 26, 2017 at 1:16 pm

  47. Violet

    May 24, 2017 at 1:11 pm

    • The Illuminati are with us!

      Grand Master Heirophant Imperator Cancellarius of the Great Rite Panjanderum

      May 24, 2017 at 3:52 pm

  48. Yes the one eyed pyramid people!

    Marie

    May 24, 2017 at 4:29 pm

  49. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    May 24, 2017 at 6:36 pm

    • Bagels !!!!!

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      May 24, 2017 at 6:37 pm

  50. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    May 24, 2017 at 6:39 pm

    • John & Staples !!!!

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      May 24, 2017 at 6:40 pm

  51. Google plans to track credit card/debit card spending.

    If people want to avoid having their shopping habits monitored on the high street by Google, by shops or by banks they should restrict the amount of data they hand over.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-40027706

    enigma

    May 25, 2017 at 4:06 am

    • Enigma

      Don’t waste your breath, the seals like the clubbing.

      When it does effect them individually, then and only then will you get that individuals attention but by then all you can tell them is, “In space, no one can hear you scream”.

      People always want to know other people business but they seldom factor that includes theirs. They think what harm can it do, it just shoes right. Little do they realize its also the proverbial discarded condoms in their life.

      doug

      May 25, 2017 at 8:52 am

      • Google/Facebook – the creepy stalkers we have grown to love 😀

        Every Breath You Take.
        Every Move You Make
        Every Cent You Spend
        We’ll Be Watching You 🙂

        The Police

        May 25, 2017 at 9:45 am

      • Perhaps you should have explained to the audience, doug, that the reason no one can hear you scream in space is that space is a vacuum – there is no air for sound to travel through. That is where so many science fiction films get it wrong.

        Brian Cox by name - Cock by nature

        May 25, 2017 at 9:51 am

    • Use cash as much as possible.

      Martin Ten Bellies

      May 25, 2017 at 3:58 pm

  52. Theresa May on verge of another U-turn after budgeting just 7p per pupil for free breakfasts

    The Tories refused to confirm if they were sticking by their plan to spend £60 million on free school breakfasts

    Mrs May was branded a “lunch snatcher” after using the move to replace universal school lunches for all pupils aged five, six and seven
    .
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-verge-another-u-turn-10492883

    enigma

    May 25, 2017 at 8:40 am

    • Enigma

      I don’t care if your a Tory,Labour or otherwise, this is the state of play so for any party to say they can find it from somewhere within the departments, we are only going to be adding them to the list of in troubles which if you look at some of them already are or will mean the tax payer in say the case of transport will be paying more for travel because there’s less subsides. The alternative is to borrow, to tax,so the question is as a voter, who do you want to tax ?

      doug

      May 25, 2017 at 9:01 am

    • REALLY?

      Should I be getting this?

      Mick Jagger

      May 25, 2017 at 9:59 am

      • Can’t you get no… satisfaction? Try Viagra you dirty old bugger!

        K. Richards Esq

        May 25, 2017 at 6:46 pm

  53. Viola

    May 25, 2017 at 9:27 am

  54. enigma

    May 25, 2017 at 10:46 am

  55. Is Labour really going to raise taxes for millions of working people, as the Tories have claimed?

    The lies continue.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-tories-tax-raise-income-dementia-tax-theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-infact-a7751631.html

    enigma

    May 25, 2017 at 12:01 pm

  56. What has happened to Superted?

    Martin Ten Bellies

    May 25, 2017 at 3:56 pm

    • I hope he is ok too.

      ken

      May 25, 2017 at 4:53 pm

    • Eloped with spotty man

      Childrens Hour

      May 26, 2017 at 12:04 pm

  57. My Personal Video Recorder freezes when playing and restarts after about 30 seconds!

    My Personal Video Recorder freezes when playing and restarts after about 30 seconds!

    May 25, 2017 at 4:00 pm

  58. OT DWP staff meeting today

    Ooops – Staff at office very very unhappy about something after meeting “it’ll get much worse before it gets better” to which the reply was “Too Right”, lots of long faces and dark comments, “not to long before we knock off.”

    I wonder if a new DWP wide Staff announcement was made…

    Gazza

    May 25, 2017 at 5:40 pm

    • Gazza

      So what do you think its about and does it tie in with what i heard the other day regarding full automation of welfare next year (ie, public servants losing jobs) ?

      doug

      May 25, 2017 at 6:57 pm

      • i suspect that is so. To have staff commenting like that out in the public area it must be something that concerns them all…

        Gazza

        May 25, 2017 at 11:19 pm

    • Job centre’s closing. what a shame for them!..

      enigma

      May 26, 2017 at 10:31 am

      • Enigma

        I somehow don’t think your feel that way when an error occurs in your benefits or they state, there not entirely sure about your job search right before your due payment so freeze your benefits until you attend the whittled down office which low and behold,cant fit you in for a whole 2 weeks.

        doug

        May 26, 2017 at 11:36 am

      • I don’t believe in those so called errors Doug. so good luck to them on the other side of the desks.

        enigma

        May 26, 2017 at 11:48 am

      • Quick! Pass us a fucking onion. We won’t be shedding any tears for sure 😀

        The Crocodile Family

        May 26, 2017 at 2:22 pm

  59. Universal credit ‘must be halted’ argues Scottish social security minister after Inverness meeting

    Claimants say they have been plagued with problems since the trial launched – from the complicated online application to a six-week benefits freeze any time a change of circumstances is reported.

    http://www.inverness-courier.co.uk/News/Universal-credit-must-be-halted-argues-Scottish-social-security-minister-after-Inverness-meeting-25052017.htm

    ken

    May 25, 2017 at 8:06 pm

  60. The pro’s and cons of both according to IFS.

    Tory manifesto means five more years of austerity and ‘big cuts’ to public services,

    Neither of the two main parties is presenting an ‘honest set of choices’ to the public, IFS says

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-manifesto-five-years-austerity-big-cuts-institute-for-fiscal-studies-ifs-conservatives-election-a7756851.html

    enigma

    May 26, 2017 at 10:51 am

    • No, really Enigma.

      At least we can look on the bright side we on this site broke yet another mainstream article before they did.

      This is precisely what i meant when speaking to both party voters, lovers and haters alike.

      doug

      May 26, 2017 at 12:13 pm

      • Enigma

        Should have phrased that first part better. Didn’t mean literally you, i was mocking mainstream media for being slow on the up take but most of all, needing the IFS to figure it out for them. I don’t know how more glaringly obvious it could have been for anyone to see.

        doug

        May 26, 2017 at 1:37 pm

      • There is no need to apologise for your inept attempt at turning a phrase, doug. Your dougerisms always give us a chuckle 😀

        Spooner

        May 26, 2017 at 2:17 pm

    • Austerity… the cuts in public services hasn’t reversed the debt problem, the debt has doubled.

      Some posh Tory boys creaming the money into offshore haven bank accounts.

      If you live in Ipswich, vote Tories out, get rid of Ben Gummer.

      Ben Gummer Out

      May 26, 2017 at 1:05 pm

      • Gen Bummer is a great guy!

        Backgammon

        May 26, 2017 at 3:25 pm

  61. OT: General election 2017: Workers’ rights v robo jobs – a quandary for all campaigns

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39997779

    ME: And so people wake up to what is coming… more sooner than they think – i predicted that there would be robot trucks on the road and then it would become a flood of automation three months ago in about 5 to 10b years… And last week trials of first robot trucks are due this year or next.

    Gazza

    May 26, 2017 at 12:30 pm

    • Gazza

      I so love that picture of a robot handing an engineer tools, what a crock of advertising.

      For a start you wouldn’t design a maintenance machine to look like a human. It would be more track driven, probably ceiling bound (depends on ceiling height or how many conveyors run ontop of each other now human wouldn’t be warranted) with multiple arms and operate much like a CNC machine when talking conveyor type operations.

      As for driverless trucks, we already know with a bit of fine tuning that this is a done deal meaning driverless trains,buses,taxis,planes,etc. War technology is also coming on well so you might as well throw in police,fire service. It wasn’t that long ago a test went well on the worlds first fully automated surgical operation so the net is really closing in. Of course they lack a rational mind, cant compensate for other systems yet but all this is being worked on.

      I think what people have to bare in mind is that most businesses have already spent decades turning us into mindless automatons so its not like they need robotics to be human.

      doug

      May 26, 2017 at 1:57 pm

  62. I must say that seeing armed police patrolling the centre of Ipswich today gave me a bit of a shock.

    Andrew Coates

    May 26, 2017 at 3:01 pm

    • Threw a spanner into your nefarious plan, did it?

      Molotov Cocktail

      May 26, 2017 at 4:07 pm

    • Will they still be patrolling the streets up to the age of 70.

      Call to raise retirement age to at least 70

      The World Economic Forum said that employees should continue working until 70 in nations such as the UK, US, Japan and Canada.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40057117

      enigma

      May 26, 2017 at 4:27 pm

      • Enigma

        Did you ever think that one day you would pay for the privilege of being old and existing ?

        If people cant see where all this is heading then i feel very sorry for them. What makes anyone think the cost of things wont be an issue by 2050 as do remember, no government or financial body has spoken about ditching capitalism or even money. There assuming you wont think that far ahead, wont remember and that’s very true stave people like me, slapping those rose coloured glasses off you, trying to wake you up.

        Further more do people assume the population wont continue to grow, natural resources wont deplete,wont be capped all for the sake of money, That the seas aren’t acidifying, crops harder to grow and deliver, moving ever closer to full automation, need i go on.

        You cant have this, this is costing more, insurance, tax, money ,money, money. Come on, don’t you feel like a walking talking ATM machine yet. Your all being told to work harder,work longer yet still we struggle to achieve those aims of providing. Come 2050, there still be saying we don’t have enough. When they say people in 2100 will be living to 130, lets raise the retirement age, what then.

        At what point do you realize you nolonger work to live, don’t actually live but instead exist to fulfill someone else’s flawed ideology.

        doug

        May 27, 2017 at 8:42 am

      • Productivity puzzle

        The word is plateau. Sure you can get humans to work longer but you cant get more out of them than you are now per hour. Machines help greatly but unless you replace the human element entirely, you cant make a gain and even then when you reach the technology plateau, then what ?

        Are you seeing it yet ?

        How about what when we do replace all jobs with machines. Whats the need of humans, why would a wealthy stranger want so many humans. Other than my children (he pretends), playing god, what is left for the rich to achieve. Like gods when their tied of you, what then ?

        doug

        May 27, 2017 at 9:00 am

      • Eh, what’s up, Doc? Back in the day the humans were told that by the year 2000 machines would be doing all the work and they would all be living a life of leisure. What happened to that? As machines do more and more work it appears that ‘they’ want to reduce the human population to a small core to run and maintain the machines. Only the rich humans will be allowed to live a life of luxury on a planet almost devoid of a human population. This depopulation and culling of the human population doesn’t seem to be working though as they continue to breed like us rabbits. 🙂

        Bugs Bunny

        May 27, 2017 at 10:35 am

      • What are you needlessly worrying about the cost of things in the 25th century for, doug. YOU will be DEAD! You will be long gone! Find something more contemporaneous* to worry about.

        *existing or occurring at the same time – to save doug having to look it up 😀

        Fuck Dodgers in the 25th Century

        May 27, 2017 at 10:41 am

      • Bugs Bunny

        Its quite the conundrum but not so if globalization is allowed to continue its path as then mistrust between countries, the last reason to have a sizable population when we consider the advances of technology.

        Then how do you cull a population of the western world. Well you could remove support and introduce an unfair insurance system most wont be able to afford, usher in tiers of service provided and bingo its only those that can afford to have multiple children that can afford to continue the practice of 2 or more children or front for those costly new age treatments our courts say aren’t worth pursuing despite strangely investment and government backing still financing them.

        That should cull half a population nicely.

        Bring in laws stating a woman is liable if doesn’t take the necessary precautions to prevent unwanted birth (a plan actually currently being spoke about) but under the banning of so called protecting men and sharing responsibility and that should be enough incentive to scare women the same way existing laws scare and threaten men and put an end to kids ending up in care from unplanned/unwanted births.

        Government have already stigmatized and successfully brainwashed the public into despising single parents and parents with 3 or more kids of people who can ill afford to fund it themselves so getting support for all these things is but a done deal.

        As i said at the beginning way back that welfare changes are being introduced all over the western world but out of sync in different changes so no one twigs on that there’s a well crafted plan.

        So breeding like rabbits is basically a thing of the past and your see that when ours truly kicks in and you can witness births in a certain sector drop quite rapidly.

        Fuck Dodgers in the 25th Century

        While i might be dead by 2100, i sadly wont be by 2050 knowing my luck. That aside even if i was i don’t see why i should keep my mouth shut and watch this generation get screwed over all so i can feather my own bed. Whats happening now ive seen before,heard before yet things still got more costly while what you get, got less and less. You can cut, you can borrow, you can charge but ultimately you end up in the exact same spot just a little further down the road. My generation are lucky, e-commerce came along out of the blue but now that’s getting stale and completely owned by the minority like never before, whats there left that’s untapped to exploit.

        doug

        May 27, 2017 at 5:24 pm

      • Back in the day you could ship in some tat from China, add a huge mark-up and sell it on to the UK con-sumer. But nowadays the tat is being sold from China directly, so bang goes that way of eeking out a living. The biggest growth industry at the moment seems to be for ‘crisis actors’.

        e-trader

        May 29, 2017 at 9:05 am

      • Back in the day you could ship in some tat from China, add a huge mark-up and sell it on to the unsuspecting UK con-sumer. But nowadays the tat is being sold from China directly, so bang goes that way of eeking out a living. The biggest growth industry at the moment seems to be for ‘crisis actors’.

        e-trader

        May 29, 2017 at 9:06 am

      • Crisis Actor

        May 29, 2017 at 9:19 am

    • Violet

      May 26, 2017 at 6:25 pm

    • “The most terrifying words in the English language are: I’m from the government and I’m here to help.”

      – Ronald Reagan

      Ronald Reagan (deceased)

      May 26, 2017 at 9:12 pm

    • “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I’m from the government and I’m here to help.”

      – Ronald Reagan, 40th president of the USA

      Ronald Reagan (deceased)

      May 26, 2017 at 9:14 pm

      • In Regan’s case it was true: Within eight years as President he managed to turn the United States of America from the world’s greatest lender into the world’s greatest debtor. Quite an achievement considering America was then and still is now the world’s biggest economy.

        Talking Teeth

        May 27, 2017 at 6:30 am

      • Get off your milk and drink your horse 😀 😀 😀 😀

        Ronald Ray-Gun

        May 27, 2017 at 10:24 am

  63. Britain now looking like a third world junta with armed police at bank holiday events (even mugabe would be proud)

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40068012

    Marie

    May 27, 2017 at 12:13 pm

  64. The following is a speech written for President Nixon, in the event that the Apollo 11 mission did not succeed.

    “Fate has ordained that the men who went to the moon to explore in peace will stay on the moon to rest in peace.

    These brave men, Neil Armstrong and Edwin Aldrin, know that there is no hope for their recovery. But they also know that there is hope for mankind in their sacrifice.

    These two men are laying down their lives in mankind’s most noble goal: the search for truth and understanding.

    They will be mourned by their families and friends; they will be mourned by their nation; they will be mourned by the people of the world; they will be mourned by a Mother Earth that dared send two of her sons into the unknown.

    In their exploration, they stirred the people of the world to feel as one; in their sacrifice, they bind more tightly the brotherhood of man.

    In ancient days, men looked at stars and saw their heroes in the constellations.

    In modern times, we do much the same, but our heroes are epic men of flesh and blood.

    Others will follow, and surely find their way home. Man’s search will not be denied. But these men were the first, and they will remain the foremost in our hearts.

    For every human being who looks up at the moon in the nights to come will know that there is some corner of another world that is forever mankind.”

    This confirms there were no plans for a rescue mission if Apollo 11 wasn’t successful.

    President Nixon

    May 27, 2017 at 3:28 pm

  65. John Thomas

    “It means that the average job seeker can expect to be sanctioned at least once a year, which probably represents a loss of about 10% of a minimum income. This would be sufficient in itself to thwart any realistic attempt to obtain work”

    Even if your figures are correct, if you cannot get a job within a year then there is something clearly wrong with you.

    Dr Douglas McKenzie

    Yes – you might be disabled, or have had learning difficulties, or you may be suffering from mental health issues, you might happen to live in an area that has no jobs, you might have to care for someone else. So many reasons that you might be worthless eh?

    John Thomas

    Why would any of the scenarios you have stated above stop people from finding a job?

    For example, I see disabled people in all sorts of jobs these days.

    My very own physiotherapist in my local hospital is in a wheelchair and has been all her life.

    Another example is that my local supermarket employs Down’s Syndrome adults.

    Babs

    May 29, 2017 at 11:09 am


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