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Universal Credit: Twelve Week Wait for Any Payment.

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Talking to somebody in the library I learnt that some people round here are already on Universal Credit (and the horrors of ‘Job Search’ at the notorious SEETEC).

Writing posts about the failings of Universal Credit has become a duty.

But not a hard one since a story emerges every couple of days.

This is the latest (Daily Mirror)

People who move onto the Tories’ flagship welfare scheme are waiting nearly three months for payments to roll in – putting them at risk of eviction, a town hall boss has said.

The stark warning came tonight from Croydon Council in south London, a key pilot area for the “full digital service” of Universal Credit.

The system rolls six benefits including Jobseeker’s Allowance, Housing Benefit and Child Tax Credit into one payment and is slowly being phased in across the UK after several delays.

But analysts have claimed millions will face overall cuts due to changes in “work allowances” under the new system.

Mark Fowler, Croydon Council’s director of welfare, said some single people under 35 had their payments cut from £155 a week to just £72 in the new scheme.

He told MPs on the Commons Work and Pensions Committee: “We have seen in Croydon, on average, it’s about 12 weeks before any form of payment is awarded, which is creating considerable pressures as you can understand.

“Then even when this customer cohort are awarded money, that’s still a difference [between] £72 [and] £155 a week.

“So that’s an immediate pressure and immediate potential for eviction as well.”

MPs pointed out the time lag was so long that landlords could begin evictions for unpaid rent.

Mr Fowler agreed, adding: “You have got people moving from one system to another. Most people pay their rent in advance, not in arrears.

“What we have also found is people in emergency accommodation – so people who are incredibly vulnerable, fleeing domestic violence, mental health issues, single parents, English isn’t their first language – are particularly hit by the approach to Universal Credit.”

He said the council had a duty to move some people out of emergency housing within six weeks – but benefit payments only start when they’ve been in place for six weeks.

Nick Atkin, chief executive of the Halton Housing Trust, urged the rollout to be slowed down and blamed poor communication within the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP).

He said Universal Credit claimants had just 9% of all Halton’s tenancies but 37% of all its arrears.

And they were four times as likely to have been served an eviction notice compared to other claimants.

He added: “There’s an increased risk for those people of losing their homes.”

Being fair chaps the Mirror then presents “alternative facts” from the DWP’s Macedonian News Factory.

 A DWP spokesman said: “The best way to help people pay their rent is to help them into work, and under Universal Credit, people are moving into work faster and staying in work longer than under the old system.

“Universal Credit is designed to mirror the world of work by giving people responsibility over their lives, and paying Housing Benefit directly to claimants is an important part of this process.

“Budgeting advice, direct rent payments to landlords and benefit advances can be provided for those who need them.”

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Written by Andrew Coates

January 25, 2017 at 12:00 pm

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  1. The Tories have tuned the country into Raqqah Ruin!

    ken

    January 25, 2017 at 1:52 pm

    • LIke The Weather Then SUNNI and SHITE

      Hatzaetos1924

      January 25, 2017 at 2:59 pm

  2. Are we sure that DWP is not a Donald Duck Trump Business? The only advice it comes out with is “alternative facts”

    Like Budgetting – if the money is late, no amount of budgetting will help.
    I’d like to see DWP print that off so you can hand it to the ladnlord and point out DWPs “alternative facts” and suggest they tell DWP what they think and what the impact is.

    Universal Credit – if you;re not in work, you’re not in work, no amount of ignoring that fact will make it go away – except if you live in a “alternative facts” universe.

    Direct Rent payment – is all well and good… if the payments are made on time.

    Benefit advances – I suspect this does not include rent so in the “alternative facts” universe how is this square put in the round hole they have created?

    Gazza

    January 25, 2017 at 1:53 pm

    • Ivariably what happens in the US will at SOMETIME happen here

      Hatzaetos1924

      January 25, 2017 at 5:49 pm

  3. Reblogged this on sdbast.

    sdbast

    January 25, 2017 at 1:57 pm

  4. Failure of Universal Credit trial has harmed ‘everyone from most vulnerable tenants to the health system’

    If any Tory government service can be described as a “bottomless money pit”, it is Universal Credit – although that may not seem the case to those who have been thrown onto this abysmal excuse for a benefit.

    http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2017/01/01/failure-of-universal-credit-trial-has-harmed-everyone-from-most-vulnerable-tenants-to-the-health-system/

    ken

    January 25, 2017 at 1:59 pm

  5. A DWP spokesman said: “The best way to help people pay their rent is to help them into work, and under Universal Credit, people are moving into work faster and staying in work longer than under the old system.

    “Universal Credit is designed to mirror the world of work by giving people responsibility over their lives, and paying Housing Benefit directly to claimants is an important part of this process.

    “Budgeting advice, direct rent payments to landlords and benefit advances can be provided for those who need them.”

    LETS HAVE A CLOSER INSPECTION SHALL WE.

    First off DWP are yet again using post 2008 figures so it only appears people are moving into work faster which regardless of reform would have happened anyway as mostly all lost their jobs on or after 2008 so are naturally work orientated.

    Government removed the 16 hour of work must sign off rule otherwise universal credit wouldn’t work would it. This means they are counting people doing less than 30 temp work that would have under the old system been signing on and off like the wind. This is a heavy misdirection and use of the phrase “staying in work longer”.

    ““Universal Credit is designed to mirror the world of work”. So employers often don’t pay wages for up to 12 weeks then, that its so common an employment practice that for decades landlords have often accrued rent arrears for such lengthy time periods because of it. Took a long time to start moaning about it then haven’t they or is it the truth its the direct result of universal credit.

    “by giving people responsibility over their lives, and paying Housing Benefit directly to claimants is an important part of this process”.

    We all know the best practice has been to pay the landlord direct rather than give the money to claimants not just because of their own personal arrears but because it assures the landlords and encourages them the have faith in a welfare system model. We know under the new reform model, rent arrears are up and landlords are withdrawing their willingness to rent to claimants, even those working but receiving housing benefit. Lets not forget evictions rates are up.

    “Budgeting advice, direct rent payments to landlords and benefit advances can be provided for those who need them.”

    Well everyone almost on UC it appears but that aside does not ” direct rent payments to landlords” contradict their earlier statement of “giving people responsibility over their lives, and paying Housing Benefit directly to claimants is an important part of this process” ?

    “benefit advances can be provided”. How is getting someone to spend money before they are even said to be entitled while being unemployed a clever thing to encourage. It does not take a rocket scientist to know the old system sorted out claims quicker.

    doug

    January 25, 2017 at 2:41 pm

    • As Donald Rumsfield Once Said.. We are heading for the Unknown Knowns and Known Unknowns IE Double Talk. Plausable Deniabilty ???

      Hatzaetos1924

      January 25, 2017 at 2:53 pm

    • Oh and I WONDER HOW MANY CLAIMANTS FOR UNIVERSAL CREDIT apply for a Short-term advance of universal credit and or hardship loan before 5 weeks of first registering for UC ?

      doug

      January 25, 2017 at 2:54 pm

      • TOO MANY (!)

        Hatzaetos1924

        January 25, 2017 at 2:58 pm

      • doug

        more to the point – does that application apply to the housing element (It is the larger amount of outgong cashflow after all and this is ultimately all about the money)? I suspect not so utter rubbish on the part of DWP or as Andrew puts it use of “alternate facts”.

        Gazza

        January 25, 2017 at 2:58 pm

      • Gazza,

        http://england.shelter.org.uk/get_advice/universal_credit/short-term_advances_of_universal_credit

        http://www.cpag.org.uk/stba/uc-advances

        It appears it does cover housing element. There is also a budgeting loan remember unless they have withdrawn that from service that also covers housing.

        PLEASE NOTICE EVERYONE

        It covers also people only paid weekly prior to claiming AND THERE IS NO TIME RESTRICTION WHICH DWP SEEM ALL TO OFTEN TO SUGGEST EXISTS AS ITS NOT ENSHRINED IN LAW CURRENTLY.

        doug

        January 25, 2017 at 3:10 pm

      • Exclude me!

        news seeker

        January 25, 2017 at 5:12 pm

    • The best way to help people pay their rent is to help them into work,

      We all know their way of helping is.

      As its the same organisations involved in this clouded work experience offering is their any financial gain involved?

      Jobcentres/DWP propping up tyre and exhaust centers at the taxpayers expense instead of simply employing someone that will get them into work and off the benefits system.

      Make no mistake the Guardian headline lets set them up behavior still exists as does the shoving people into private companies on benefits.

      ken

      January 25, 2017 at 4:32 pm

      • A lot of people visiting food banks ARE in work. Well paid regular work is a good way out of poverty but part-time minimum wage unreliable work isn’t. The idea that any kind of work, no matter how sparse or low paid, is the way out of poverty is another government lie and Universal Credit is all about getting far to many people into low paid irregular work – in fact this kind of “work a bit and keep some of your benefits” is precisely what Universal Credit is supposed to be about.

        Broken Toy

        January 25, 2017 at 6:17 pm

      • INCOME is the way out of poverty! You can have work without income and income without work. Just ask the rich!

        Chocolate

        January 25, 2017 at 7:30 pm

      • Income – the monetary payment received for goods or services, or from other sources, as rents or investments.

        You could be receiving a passive income – income received on a regular basis, with little effort required to maintain it – from say property. You could be receiving a very large passive income from a vast property portfolio. You wouldn’t be doing any work but you certainly wouldn’t be wallowing in poverty. Investments are another form of passive income – no hard graft involved! This is how the rich do it – you won’t catch any of them working Why are always being fed this WORK, WORK, WORK crap. If work was so good the rich would have kept it to themselves! As they say only fools and horses work!

        Only Fools And Horses Work

        January 25, 2017 at 7:42 pm

      • If work is so wonderful why don’t the rich want to do it.

        Brazilian proverb.

        Silvio

        January 26, 2017 at 9:00 am

  6. Ipswich Private Landlords ARE not taking any new HB Claimants unless already on HB. I don’t know what happens when the tenancy is up for renewal. You only need look in estate agents windows. NO BENEFITS CHILDREN DOGS SMOKERS ETC.

    Hatzaetos1924

    January 25, 2017 at 2:57 pm

    • Hatzaetos1924

      The Guardian was told that a majority (and Andrew said he’d heard it out his way as well) LAST year that landlords would in a majority of cases not renew leases.

      Further to add to this:
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38719087
      “Rough sleeping rises at appalling rate, charity says, as figures show 16% rise”

      More than 4,000 people a night have been sleeping rough on England’s streets, a 16% increase on last year.
      Figures from the Department for Communities and Local Government show more than half of councils in England recorded a rise in rough sleeping compared with the year before.
      The homelessness charity Crisis said it was rising at an “appalling rate”.
      The government said it was determined to help the most vulnerable and was investing £550m to tackle the problem.

      ME: £550m? Really? Yeah right, more “alternate facts”…

      Gazza

      January 25, 2017 at 3:02 pm

    • Which means that if you can’t get social housing which is well-nigh impossible if you are single or don’t have kids, have no friends/family who will provide you with somewhere to doss down you are out on the street. No wonder rough sleeping is at ‘appalling levels’!

      Rough Sleeper

      January 25, 2017 at 3:20 pm

  7. Housing benefit claimants’ money may not be in the bank today

    http://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/if-you-claim-housing-benefit-you-might-want-to-read-this/story-30084961-detail/story.html

    Oh looky looky, ” technical problem”, what did we say about where blame gets laid these days now we are reliant on technology ?

    Also that means those that got it late now run their rent a week in arrears rather than the traditional in advance meaning the local council gets to pocket i weeks revenue they say is bumped. See the scam ?

    doug

    January 25, 2017 at 3:16 pm

  8. ‘No shame’ message from welfare charity facing huge rise in claims

    http://www.hexham-courant.co.uk/farming/No-shame-message-from-welfare-charity-facing-huge-rise-in-claims-30d33677-f9db-4115-8076-826797391c96-ds

    With brexit in the wings, an uncertain outside EU trade future our farmers,farm-workers and dependents having hardship is not good news at all. If the rest of the world locked us off tomorrow we would all be up the creek without a paddle in the UK.

    BACK BRITISH FARMING,BUY BRITISH FARM PRODUCE FIRST.

    doug

    January 25, 2017 at 3:27 pm

  9. 12 weeks is an incredibly long time to wait for benefits, an incredibly long time.

    Andrew Coates

    January 25, 2017 at 3:55 pm

    • Enough time for you to die 🙁

      Marie

      January 25, 2017 at 9:04 pm

      • You can survive for three to four days without water; three to four weeks without food; and you are not going to survive ONE night outside in sub-zero temperatures.

        Bear Grylls

        January 25, 2017 at 11:14 pm

  10. Andrew Coates

    January 25, 2017 at 4:21 pm

  11. And even during this long wait for payment, all the extensive jobsearch activities, work experience etc. must be maintained. Or it’s an immediate sanction.

    Jeff Smith

    January 25, 2017 at 4:31 pm

  12. Something like 400,000 people are in receipt of Universal Credit, based on what info is out there. (The DWP these days is as evasive and secretive as the Stasi.) Some eight million claimants are supposed to be moved from legacy benefits onto Universal Credit by 2022. This means that, at present, only about 5% of all of those who should eventually be in receipt of Universal Credit are on it now, with 95% of benefit claimants pending being migrated onto Universal Credit over the next five years or so – a nineteen fold increase! Considering how much pain and misery is being caused now, with only one in twenty of all future Universal Credit recipients on that benefit, how could the government possibly ever get away with a full roll out of UC? The tide of suffering and misery would surely rise up and drown the government wouldn’t it?

    Unless the system is modified drastically to make it more humane and workable?

    Universal Credit blatantly and obviously does NOT mirror the world of work since many, many people applying for it will not be in possession of four weeks of wages, sufficient to cover all of their expenses, including rent, until they receive their first UC payment. Many will have come from jobs paid on a weekly basis, or have been on casual insecure work, or working under short temporary contracts, or moving from another benefit to Universal Credit etc. (Consider a full-time carer who has been looking after a loved one having to move onto Universal Credit following the death of the person they were caring for. Such people probably don’t have a bean despite all of the unpaid work they have done and self-sacrifice they have made.) The justification for the long delay in paying people in need the money they need to survive between jobs, i.e., that everybody is paid on a monthly basis and every applicant for Universal Credit has just received one month of wages, is a brazen and disgraceful lie unworthy even of lowlife scum buckets like Iain Duncan Smith and David Freud.

    As for the shite about “budgeting” advice and similar, how the fuck are you supposed to “budget” your money when you have no money to “budget”? I mean the crap that the government is coming out with on a daily basis is so patently malicious and dishonest it cannot stand. Something eventually will have to give. A thing that wicked, cruel and insane really has to end up abandoned eventually, surely? How could such a thing go on forever.

    As to whether Universal Credit gets people into work quicker and keeps them in jobs longer, well, considering that most people on UC are single and under sixty-three how can we know? As mentioned earlier only 5% of claimants supposed to be on UC are on UC. The effects of Universal Credit on all types of claimants who are supposed to receive it are unknown. It’s dumb and dishonest to credit Universal Credit with getting people into work when the people receiving Universal Credit are relatively so small and homogeneous a population. The effects of Universal Credit on larger groups, like couples with families and the self-employed, are unknown.

    As Doug has already pointed out most of the things said by the DWP about Universal Credit mirroring the world of work and encouraging responsibility are lies. Only a section of society are paid, in arrears, on a monthly basis and probably much less likely to have to apply for UC than those in short-term, insecure, casual, weekly paid jobs. No employer that takes on an employee paid in arrears, on a monthly basis, could delay payment for five weeks to months! And no employer could sanction employees, e.g., not pay them their wages for one to three months, for being late to work or missing an appointment. Universal Credit is absolutely and definitively NOTHING like the world of work.

    Not even slightly.

    Not at all.

    Universal Credit is an evil and pernicious thing.

    Broken Toy

    January 25, 2017 at 4:40 pm

    • Very well put Broken Toy.

      It is an utter scandal.

      Andrew Coates

      January 25, 2017 at 5:25 pm

    • THEY WON’T PUT OLD AGE PENSIONS ON UC WILL THEY – THEY CAN’T CAN THEY ??????

      Hatzaetos1924

      January 25, 2017 at 5:51 pm

      • Hatzaetos1924

        Where there’s a will there’s a way – it will only be the poor pensions who’ll end up on it mind…

        I remember a while back about the Tories muttering about means testing pensions… how long before that pops back up?

        Gazza

        January 25, 2017 at 11:35 pm

      • Universal Credit is only supposed to affect those of working age.

        Broken Toy

        January 26, 2017 at 9:04 am

  13. Not very long. After I reach pension age though and others too

    hatzaetos1924

    January 26, 2017 at 7:34 am

  14. Andrew Coates

    January 26, 2017 at 10:35 am

  15. LONDON JANUARY 2017 MRS MAY Britain and America will lead the world
    KNUTSFORD 1944 GENERAL GEORGE S PATTON to town womens guild It is the duty of America and b
    Britain to lead the world

    Hatzaetos1924

    January 26, 2017 at 12:28 pm

  16. Benefit chiefs slapped down after “blaming each other” for tax credits fiasco

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/benefit-chiefs-slapped-down-after-9693491

    “”We are not blaming each other. I am in the end accountable for this. We are all responsible for it.”

    Just like the DWP spokesman putting his foot in his mouth over the sending a letter to a blind man, government and senior public servants are doing it again.

    DON’T THEY EVEN HEAR THE SHITE THAT COMES OUT OF THEIRS VERY OWN MOUTHS ?

    To make matters worse it completely misses the point of the actual cause of so many errors which is cross databasing and poorly kept and made data entries.

    ITS HIGH TIME PUBLIC SERVICES WERE MADE TO ADHERE TO THE PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE RULE (the burden of proof is on the one who declares, not on one who denies) before removing benefits.

    This way the public don’t suffer while the likes of DWP.HMRC and contractors,etc work out how they went so very wrong. With low recorded benefit fraud (government spokesman declared only a very small minority of claimants are committing fraud), most of which spans years,especially under the new welfare reform fraud procedures. With the cost to the tax payer of taking these cases right to a tribunal far after further taxpayer waste on a drawn out ineffectual fight procedures to overturn out weighing what gets recovered. With the cost of taxpayer money to charge,to investigate,to take to court, to imprison benefit fraudsters, its time to enact PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE in cases of sanctions/benefit closures, work capability assessment results right to benefit fraud itself.

    These things are costing the taxpayer far to much yet yielding so very little while tax fraud runs not only massively higher than benefit fraud but often always rampant and unenforced.

    doug

    January 26, 2017 at 1:06 pm

    • Awaiting the work and health programme.

      news seeker

      January 26, 2017 at 1:37 pm

      • Careful for what you wish for

        Trouble coming

        January 27, 2017 at 1:29 pm

    • doug

      but but the gov says unemployment is going down… how can this be? Oh I forgot the Gov spews out “Alternative Facts” from DWP the Ministry of Alternative Facts

      Gazza

      January 26, 2017 at 4:28 pm

      • Gazza

        It was not alternate facts gazza, it was cherry picking data and how they present it as the latest labour market stats if you did look at them with detail does highlight a rise in claimants. On claimant count alone this represents a 1.4% rise only for the period highlighted in the paper. This does not place it against the year 2016 nor place it against this time last year or over so many years. If people don’t read how these stats are actually formulated they will always struggle to understand their findings.

        People have to get bean counting out of their heads and think estimates,averages,percentages,etc. 1.4% (11’125) to the stats is a drop in the bucket when used and for instance would be lost in the margin for error alone for example.

        Do you get it now Gazza ?

        doug

        January 27, 2017 at 12:32 pm

  17. Prison suicides rise to record level in England and Wales

    The Ministry of Justice said there were 119 self-inflicted deaths – 29 more than the previous year and the highest number since records began in 1978.

    It also reported a record high of 37,784 self-harm incidents and 25,049 assault incidents.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38756409

    news seeker

    January 26, 2017 at 1:28 pm

    • And Ms Truss still says what she said the last time suicides were bought up that shes going to tackle yet how many have to die before she turns words into action.

      Why is she concentrating on drugs being the the cause of suicides, whose mentioned which prisoner committed suicide because they couldn’t get a fix or access to a mobile phone. The suicides are even occurring in the new prison this government funded so yet again they have failed to address the issue like they have failed to address the violence issue. It was the Tories that cut the number of prison guards yet think saying they are trying to recruit more gets them off the hook that still even now they have not admitted was their very bad mistake. We are seeing more prison riots than under previous governments and a whole new pattern which is prison wildfire riots (breaking out in more than one prison).

      What about the young offenders scandal.

      doug

      January 26, 2017 at 1:48 pm

  18. Poverty in the UK jeopardising children’s health, warns landmark report

    ‘Stark inequalities’ and high rates of child death, obesity and ill-health highlighted amid calls on government to prioritise child health

    Children’s health in the UK is in jeopardy, with higher child death rates, obesity and ill-health than in much of Europe, according to a landmark report.

    “The bottom line is that the UK could do far more to improve child health and wellbeing. UK performance on several measures, though better than the United States, is worse than many European countries,” says Professor Neena Modi, president of the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health (RCPCH), in the report.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jan/25/poverty-in-the-uk-jeopardising-childrens-health-warns-landmark-report

    news seeker

    January 26, 2017 at 1:31 pm

  19. Disability benefit assessors give widely different judgments on same claimants

    https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/health/medical-experts-judgments-disability-benefits/

    Oh dear Tories, it looks like the net is really closing in on your ill gotten games regarding work capability assessments.

    The great Tory welfare reform is a disaster as despite claiming this would make things better has actually being seen now as only creating more problems from reworking statistics and dodgy statistics, from tribunals overturning all sorts of decisions, having supreme courts declare human rights violations, international organizations declaring welfare reform unfit, lying in their own DWP media displays (ie,sanctioning,etc), having to design another welfare computer system ontop of one they already paid for, having to rollback the dates all people will be on UC,running over budget and the list goes on.

    If we hadn’t change welfare, didn’t buy into the lying rhetoric, in the public’s mind compared pre 2008 claimant counts instead of post 2008 to governments claims of success, allowed them to change how certain stats work, we would have seen the truth. The truth that is a much a do about nothing while this very government allowed banks and tax fraudsters/immoral company tax payers (tax avoidance) to continue to just keep getting richer and richer off the backs of the workforce.

    doug

    January 26, 2017 at 1:35 pm

    • I love the end:

      “The DWP said it was unsure where that figure came from.”

      So “DWP Alternative Facts” does not know where its own figures come from?

      Gazza

      January 26, 2017 at 4:32 pm

  20. The deluded May Witch thinks she can rebuild the British Empire with the help of America.

    The Tory scum thought they would be at the top of the EU table dictating policy but when they found out different they wanted to leave the club that they, with the help of labour ‘tory’ lawyer, traitor, war criminal, BLAIR, forced the UK into.

    Marie

    January 26, 2017 at 1:56 pm

    • Hes a populist and shes a globalist so how does that work then ?

      Face it, she will wear whatever hat she can rather than admit she is desperate and out of her depth to ever think she could run a country let alone know what the hell shes talking about.

      Shes trying to buy time while ducking everything. Boring boring and ineffectual.

      I wish Boris got in instead as even though hes a blithering idiot, at least we could have all had laugh for the next 3 years. Can you imagine him arguing with Trump, what a riot, what a hoot that would be.

      doug

      January 26, 2017 at 2:45 pm

  21. It wouldn’t have made any difference if bojo had got in, they are all a bunch of greedy, selfish, murdering con artists, same goes for labour.

    Marie

    January 26, 2017 at 2:56 pm

  22. Bojo and old slag May are a pair of traitorous ZOG puppets!

    foxglove

    January 26, 2017 at 3:28 pm

    • More antisemitic conspiracy theory nonsense from foxglove this blogs resident crypto-nazi.

      Aryas

      January 26, 2017 at 7:45 pm

  23. OT: Homelessness & Councils getting rid of them

    Andrew

    I’d like to thank you for this – particularly this quote:

    “He said the council had a duty to move some people out of emergency housing within six weeks – but benefit payments only start when they’ve been in place for six weeks.”

    Considering i am approaching 16 weeks and counting – and the council is strangely silent (after saying a urgent review was taking place) you know dodgy stuff is going on.

    my mother of all people has pin pointed out how the councils wash their hands of people after shifting them out of the area [i suspected but now i know how to get proof] – I will update this particular post in the next week or so with the information – don’t want to give the game away just yet in case they’ve twigged who i am on here.

    Gazza

    January 26, 2017 at 4:25 pm

  24. 8 DOWN, 16 TO GO – AND THAT’S JUST IN SCOTLAND. WHERE NEXT?

    Sixteen more Jobcentres in Scotland are to close down after it was recently announced that half the Jobcentres are for the chop.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-38759960

    Executioner

    January 26, 2017 at 5:23 pm

    • “half the Jobcentres in Glasgow” that is!

      Executioner

      January 26, 2017 at 5:25 pm

    • Be doing your job searches in the back of a transit van soon !

      I only hope that any job loses are given to those who have taken (pleasure) in handing out sanctions like those old school teachers who delighted in inflicting violence on their pupils with their belts.

      There will be some job center staff who could do with a little taste of their own medicine and perhaps a dunt on the broo will do them some good.

      Broo

      January 26, 2017 at 5:49 pm

      • Redeployment to other areas HMRC COMPLIANCE DISTRICT TREASURY ETC

        Hatzaetos1924

        January 27, 2017 at 9:23 am

      • It should be a redeployment to MARS and if the soon-to-be-unemployed roaches don’t want to accept the OPPORTUNITY then though titties. If the cupid stunts who are all now running around like headless chickens wondering where there cushy salary and gold-plated pension is going to come from come post March 2018 had half a brain cell between them they would have seen it coming. An amoeba could have worked out that the end of the leases on the buildings would have given the DWP the OPPORTUNITY they wanted sorely. It must be quite a shock to the system facing the dole queue when you have had your four arses parked behind a desk for years and years expecting to ride it out to a fat pension whilst drawing a cushy salary for doing jack-shit. £70 here they come 😀 😀

        Bad Karma

        January 27, 2017 at 10:07 am

    • The DWP has assured staff that “there will be no job losses”. But we all know that the DWP lie 😀 😀 😀 😀

      Jobcentre Wipeout

      January 26, 2017 at 7:16 pm

    • Unemployed will be forced to travel further to sign on as DWP plans to close 78 local Jobcentres

      Unemployed people must attend the offices regularly or lose their benefits

      The Government claims it needs fewer offices to cover the whole country because people tend to submit their claims for benefits online. However, unemployed claimants are still required to attend Jobcentres at least every two weeks, with the Government having trialled weekly sign-ons and even more intensive daily sign-ons.

      Damian Hinds, Minister for Employment,

      “The way the world works has changed rapidly in the last 20 years and the welfare state needs to keep pace. As more people access their benefits through the internet many of our buildings are under-used.

      “We are concentrating our resources on what we know best helps people into work.

      Meanwhile

      “Only this government’s distorted austerity agenda could lead to such contradictory policies”.

      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dwp-benefit-cuts-jobcentre-closures-local-travel-costs-further-pcs-a7547351.html

      news seeker

      January 27, 2017 at 4:52 am

    • From the Mirror’s report:

      “The move has come because a 20-year contract for most of the DWP’s 900 sites with property firm Telereal Trillium expires in March 2018”.

      Executioner

      January 26, 2017 at 8:00 pm

  25. Ipswich Jobcentre is moving to the Shetland Islands up in Scotchland!

    Ipswich Resident

    January 26, 2017 at 7:30 pm

  26. The UK already has torture, it is called the DWP UNUM – Let`s give Maximus the whole Civil Service Contract !!!

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    January 26, 2017 at 7:46 pm

  27. Theresa May has to stop trade within 30 days of the trade deal contract if DDT Donald Duck Trump don`t like what he sees. It`s written in the Trade deal Contract.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    January 26, 2017 at 7:48 pm

  28. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    January 26, 2017 at 7:49 pm

  29. I have caught a lot more ” middle-class ” thieves in the last couple of years. One lady told me ” she had had rather a bad year ” when attempting to steal drill bits concealed in the sleeve of her expensive cardigan. Then there was the student who went from pure Cockney to BBC English to inform me that ” Daddy is a lawyer ” when apprehended stealing expensive LED bulbs he hid in a cheap cushion. It annoys the hell out of me that these people are usually made to pay and then barred rather than arrested and taken off in hand-cuffs as seems to happen mostly to ” working-class ” shoplifters. This dishonesty is not a victimless crime as many believe. Us honest folk pay more for our purchases to cover security-tagging everything and my bonus decreases with every bit of stock someone nicks. As a widow with a kid at Uni, no benefits and earning less than 14K a year I take this very seriously.

    Ela P

    January 26, 2017 at 7:49 pm

  30. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    January 26, 2017 at 7:53 pm

  31. OT: The Welfare Trait [Alternative Facts] by Dr A Prik [aka Adam Perkins]

    I am sure many remember Dr A Prik from last Year who was trying to shove rubbish about being unemployed and in a workless familys via his excellent study full of Alternative Facts called the “Welfare Trait” as justification for a crackdown on the jobless.

    Well bless my soul someone appears to have noticed:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-38744122
    Social mobility: Class pay gap found in UK professions
    .
    .
    .
    ‘Barriers’
    As well as examining social mobility in the higher echelons of society, the report also examined rates of intergenerational unemployment.
    It concluded that there was no evidence of generations of families where no-one had ever worked.
    However, individuals from workless households were 15% to 18% less likely to work.
    This was further compounded if an individual was in poor health and/or lived in an area with high unemployment.
    Co-author Dr Lindsey Macmillan from UCL said: “We examined the experience of households with low levels of work and have found that there is no evidence of generations of families never working.
    “The biggest risk to ending up workless as an adult is living in a high-unemployment area and poor health.”
    Mr Milburn, chair of the Social Mobility Commission, said the research gave powerful new evidence that Britain remained a “deeply elitist society”.
    “Too many people from working-class backgrounds not only face barriers getting into the professions, but also barriers to getting on,” he said.

    ME: well what can I say, as last year Dr A Prik wins the DWP UK Award for Alternative Facts. Well well done

    Gazza

    January 27, 2017 at 12:56 am

    • “Too many people from working-class backgrounds not only face barriers getting into the professions, but also barriers to getting on,” he said. This has always been the case. Take for example, the BBC who even have the audacity to put up posters in Jobcentres, you couldn’t get a more elitist nepotistic organisation. This licence-payer funded gravy-rain is filled to the rafters with those from public schools, from the ‘right’ universities, with the right connections, and who have ‘connections’ within the actual BBC.

      Laura Kuntsberg (just a 'working-class' girl from a poor background :) )

      January 27, 2017 at 8:56 am

      • According to Wikipedia, Laura Kuntsberg is:

        “the daughter of Scottish businessman Nick Kuenssberg, OBE, and his wife Sally Kuenssberg, CBE, her paternal grandfather was the German-born founder and president of the Royal College of General Practitioners, Dr. Ekkehard von Kuenssberg. Her maternal grandfather, Lord Robertson, was a High Court of Justiciary judge. Her great-uncle was the last British Governor General of Nigeria, Sir James Wilson Robertson.

        Kuenssberg was born in Italy, while her father was working there for Coats Viyella. She grew up in Glasgow, with her brother and sister, and attended Laurel Park School, an independent girls’ school.

        Kuenssberg studied history at the University of Edinburgh, followed by a journalism course at Georgetown University in Washington, D.C., where she worked on an NBC News political programme.

        Her brother is a senior civil servant in the Department for Communities and Local Government. Her sister is a diplomat and was appointed as the British High Commissioner to Mozambique in 2014.”

        Doesn’t sound very ‘working class’ 😉 but typical Auntie Beeb ‘stock’ 🙂

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Kuenssberg

        Laura taking notes at the right-wing ‘Policy Exchange’

        Background Checker

        January 27, 2017 at 9:06 am

      • I don’t quite get this. When did Laura Kuenssberg ever say or pretend that she was working class? And why shouldn’t non working class people stick up and champion working class people? Can only the working class stand up for the working class? If that’s true we are well and truly fucked and no mistake!

        Broken Toy

        January 28, 2017 at 9:50 am

      • Some people will have a pop at anyone, love, just for the sake of having a pop at someone 😉 You only have to pick up your daily newspaper to see it!

        Old Hilda

        January 28, 2017 at 10:14 am

  32. Check out this for sneaky shit. The bastards want to start charging for cash to force us all into using plastic cards.

    https://stv.tv/news/uk/1379135-free-cash-withdrawals-under-threat-in-row-over-fees/

    “A row between banks and ATM firms could threaten half of Link cash machines on Britain’s high streets or lead to an end to free withdrawals.

    It has arisen as some banks seek to reduce the fees they pay when their customers withdraw money from Link’s 70,000 cashpoints across the UK.

    A meeting of Link members was held on Thursday to discuss its interchange and business model and proposals aimed at resolving the crisis.

    Lloyds Banking Group, which is the network’s biggest user, is asking for a change in the way fees are set at in-branch and non-branch cash machines, the Guardian reported.

    Other proposals are said to include bulk discounts for banks who use the network the most or a freeze on the current charging system.

    John Howells, chief executive of Link, said the network will continue to work closely with its members to “explore a way forward”.

    “Whilst commercial perspectives may vary, every Link member was clear at the meeting that ensuring the future of the Link Network and the cash access needs of UK consumers remains their number one priority.

    Mr Howell said it was agreed that a working group of members will be established in order to explore a way forward for the scheme.

    “Link will continue to work closely with its 39 members to keep regulators, government and consumer groups fully informed,” he added.”

    Newshounds

    January 27, 2017 at 9:27 am

    • I dont know how long you have been walking this earth newsround so i don’t know how many notes and coin withdrawals and introductions you’ve seen but this latest five pound was without doubt the fastest swap ever. Within a matter of a few weeks, mostly all old five pound notes disappeared.

      With money being tight for the public, higher inflation, money is swapping hands super fast so to go all digital could be done almost in a click of thumb and finger.

      doug

      January 27, 2017 at 12:40 pm

  33. GROUP SESSIONS?

    JCP are starting to run group sessions at my Jobcentre. Has anyone here had to go on one? JCP run them on your non-signing week. They last about twenty to thirty minutes. I did one just before Xmas about interview techniques. And I am doing another one next week about CV writing! I asked my work coach if they were mandatory, and she said: sort of. Interestingly I wasn’t given a letter like I did when I did the Work Programme, stating if you didn’t attend without good reason,etc – you could be sanctioned, and so on.

    These sessions consist of about half a dozen claimants and one coachy. Coachy goes on about how to behave at an interview (sigh). Your travel costs are reimbursed, naturally. My work coach told me more sessions like this are going to be in the pipeline for everyone.

    jj joop

    January 27, 2017 at 10:08 am

    • There are two variants of the OPPORTUNITY letters – one that states your benefits ,may be affected and one that makes no mention of your benefits being affected if you don’t follow through with the provision. For it to affect your benefits it has to be clearly stated in a referral letter like the one ones for the work programme and the now-defunct MWA/CWP schemes.

      IANAL

      January 27, 2017 at 11:09 am

      • I wonder what would happen if I didn’t turn up, hmm…?

        jj joop

        January 27, 2017 at 12:04 pm

      • If you don’t turn up and they ask it is probably better to give an ‘alternative fact’: “I found this fantastic CV site on the internet, so I decided to look at that instead.” Make it harder for the bastards to use the non-attendance against you. And if you need an upfront travel say, just say you don’t have the money!

        Macedonian Alternative Fact Factory

        January 27, 2017 at 12:52 pm

      • The big danger though is that if you don’t go along ‘voluntary’ with the Jobcentre they put you on something mandatory such as daily signing. That kind of the way the bastards work!

        Macedonian Alternative Fact Factory

        January 27, 2017 at 12:55 pm

    • If you trace my posts back jj.joop, you will see we were talking about it just before Christmas when i asked fellow posters what they knew as i had a claimant come to me for help.

      Now if your not given a jobseekers direction, there non mandatory but rather than go on google GROUP INFORMATION SESSIONS and look for the PDF that is for work coaches.

      doug

      January 27, 2017 at 12:49 pm

      • There is two versions online so insure you get the one that ends point 23 labour market declarations.

        doug

        January 27, 2017 at 12:51 pm

      • Got it! Thanks for that, doug.

        jj joop

        January 27, 2017 at 1:11 pm

      • You always welcome jj.joop

        doug

        January 27, 2017 at 1:12 pm

      • So, what’s the answer then, doug without tracing back through your posts? You don’t have to attend these Group Information Session and other assorted horseshit if it is not through a Jobseeker’s Direction or ‘mandatory’ referral with accompanying threat to benefits?

        Confused Jobseeker

        January 27, 2017 at 6:31 pm

      • In black and white from the pdf for cockroaches:

        “There is no mandatory requirement for claimants to attend a Group Information Session and as such DMA action does not apply. If a claimant does not attend their Group Information Session their claim must not be
        closed.”

        Confused Jobseeker

        January 27, 2017 at 6:35 pm

      • Confused Jobseeker

        If youve been signing on long enough your know its never black and white as regards DWP/JCP so a paragraph does not act as a total answer. For instance a first introduction could be purely done so they can direct you next time. Also remember if its in a signing week, while they couldnt do you for not attending a sessions, they could do you for failure to supply worksearch evidence,making a LMD and of course signing on.

        doug

        January 28, 2017 at 8:54 am

  34. How far away does a Jobcentre have to be before travelling expenses are reimbursed to visitors? I believe, years ago, people used to sign-on by phone or post, which was stopped by Labour I think. (It was stopped by somebody.) Surely if Jobcentres are going to end up several kilometres away from many households this kind of “signing-on at a distance” and/or reimbursement of travelling expenses will have to happen? In some rural areas you can only get buses into cities and towns on certain days and at certain times; it isn’t always easy or possible to just turn up at a Jobcentre miles away any time they like. Closing Jobcentres is going to cause huge problems for a great many individuals.

    Broken Toy

    January 28, 2017 at 9:58 am

    • Some Jobcentres are arsing claimants around saying only reimburse traveling expenses to the value over £4. What happens if the Jobcentres decide to stop reimbursing traveling expenses. They would really take piss then and have jobseekers from outlying areas on daily signing.

      Journeys

      Great Bus Journeys of East Anglia

      January 28, 2017 at 10:06 am


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