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This sticks in the craw.

Families and disabled people ‘hit worse by rising homelessness’ Welfare Weekly.

Theresa May’s claim to lead a government that protects the most vulnerable is undermined by figures showing that families and disabled people have been disproportionately hit by increasing homelessness, Labour has said.

John Healey, the shadow housing minister, said on Friday that while homelessness generally had gone up 41% since 2010, people who might expect extra care from the government were doing even worse.

 Healey based his claim on figures from the Department for Communities and Local Government showing that from 2010 to 2016 the overall number of households accepted as being homeless by local authorities in England went up from 42,390 to almost 60,000.

But the increase was disproportionately high for homeless households classed as vulnerable through mental illness, where homelessness went up 53%, and for those classed as vulnerable through physical disability, where it rose 49%.

And there was a particularly sharp increase in the number of homeless households with vulnerable children, up from 25,350 in 2010 to 41,010 – a rise of 62%.

Healey said the figures undermined the claim in the Conservative party 2015 manifesto that “we measure our success not just in how we show our strength abroad but in how we care for the weakest and most vulnerable at home”.

He added: “It’s a scandal that after six years of failure on housing, falling homelessness under Labour has turned into rising homelessness under the Tories.

“Since 2010, homelessness has risen dramatically on all fronts with almost 60,000 households becoming homeless last year. These figures show that some vulnerable groups have been particularly hard hit.

“Ministers urgently need to get a grip, back Labour’s plans to end rough sleeping and build thousands more affordable homes.”

Labour wants to revive the rough sleepers initiative, which it says was successful at tackling rough sleeping in the 1990s.

A spokesman for the communities department said the government was committed to supporting the most vulnerable.

“That’s why we’re investing over £550m to tackle and reduce homelessness, on top of supporting Bob Blackman’s homelessness reduction bill to prevent more people from becoming homeless in the first place,” he said.

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Written by Andrew Coates

December 24, 2016 at 12:32 pm

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  1. “no one should be on the streets’ in the sixth biggest economy in the world”

    But there is, I have just bought a few cups of tea and a few sandwiches and given them to a few rough sleepers I see in an alley way off the high street who sleep there every night, I can afford to do it at the moment. but who knows in the very near future.

    news seeker

    December 24, 2016 at 1:30 pm

    • There are plenty of empty properties in Ipswich why cant the local authority take them over and make shelters for the homeless.


      January 6, 2017 at 2:30 pm

  2. City bosses pay bouncers to remove the homeless from centre over Christmas.

    Council chiefs have hired enforcers to kick homeless people off its streets over Christmas .

    City bosses in Peterborough are paying security guards £8,024 to patrol the city centre and remove rough sleepers.


    news seeker

    December 24, 2016 at 1:53 pm

  3. Preventing people from becoming homeless in the first place, well look at DWP who use tactics inc lies to make people homeless.

    news seeker

    December 24, 2016 at 3:51 pm



    December 24, 2016 at 4:03 pm

  5. Council sacks 100 workers just days before Christmas.

    Nearly 100 council staff have been told they are going to be sacked just days before Christmas.

    A spokesman for Oxfordshire County Council confirmed on Wednesday 90 staff would leave the organisation after they were told at 12pm the same day they would lose their jobs in February next year.

    How many of them will end up homeless? not forgetting how DWP will treat them, as they do everyone else.


    news seeker

    December 24, 2016 at 5:05 pm

  6. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38427459

    We’re living longer.

    Whats sickening also is channels like BBC continually giving parallels to the French far right National Front Marine Le Pen in political comments in line with the UK thinking.

    Health problems are a major barrier to any employment hence the priority to simply deny them and they don’t exist.That’s a doomed policy too.

    The more barriers to work the more people are targeted being told for example that your heart doesn’t stop you from working. Perhaps also they should have added it can stop you breathing.


    December 24, 2016 at 5:18 pm

  7. Jeremy Corbyn slams ‘shocking lack of women-only railway carriages’ in Christmas message.

    Real News Network

    December 24, 2016 at 10:10 pm

    • Who would have thought Jeremy was a sexist?!!!


      December 28, 2016 at 1:39 pm

    • Jezza being roasted on this spit by John Humphreys on Radio 4’s Today programme this morning: “Women-only railway carriages remain a high priority and will form a key plank of the next Labour Party manifesto”. Humphreys: “But surely there are others matters more worthy of concern, and indeed pressing concern; rising homelessness, benefit sanctions, chronic lack of social housing, increasing use of foodbanks, zero hour contracts to name but a few… but… women-only railway carriages?! Are you, the Labour Party being serious?” Jezza: “I, the Labour Party have already stated our plans and laid out our priorities. There is nothing more to be said.” Humphreys: “OK, I see.”

      Long Wave

      January 10, 2017 at 10:43 am

  8. Vulnerable UK women choosing prison over life on the outside. inc men.

    Charities working with women released from prison say that some are breaching their parole conditions or committing further crimes so that they will be returned to jail – because their lives on the outside are so bleak. .

    Many of the women seek a return to prison because they have nowhere to live, fear an abusive partner or have unmet mental health needs.

    A Ministry of Justice spokesman said:


    news seeker

    December 25, 2016 at 9:30 am

    • It was said on this very website way way back at the start of the welfare reforms that prison would be one of the consequences as people simply wouldn’t just lay down and die. Only recently it was exposed the street living homeless came under physical attacks often from members of the public, another subject matter aired here. To cap it off once forgotten illnesses have reared there ugly head as a consequence of malnutrition.

      Like a prophecy, it all came true yet government sit idle, making excuses how its not there fault while trying to bung pitiful amounts of money at a problem of there doing that’s costing the taxpayer more had they had no reform at all, an echo found in there failed work programme.

      Its hard to utter a merry Christmas when so many aren’t having one, to utter a happy new year when its only set to get worse unless this government is brought to task.


      December 25, 2016 at 10:06 am

      • You know Doug, It’s some day to post what is happening to many people, but there is no getting away from it is there.

        A merry xmas to all who post here, hopefully more people will find this and other sites like it to learn to fight as we have.

        news seeker

        December 25, 2016 at 4:28 pm

  9. Shocking news.

    Homeless man found dead on Christmas eve on busy high street packed with shoppers.



    December 25, 2016 at 6:25 pm

  10. Here we go.

    Flexible hours key to working longer, says new report.

    “we’re seeing more employers taking on older workers as they recognise the benefits of having them on the payroll”

    But we want to go further to help more older people stay in employment, which is why in the new year we will publish a strategy led by employers on how we plan to do it.


    news seeker

    December 25, 2016 at 11:51 pm

    • And it will last as long as it takes for the words like slow and inefficient to surface too.

      Businesses are profit driven and what with saturated markets, forever pushed to make profit not for wealth but for survival among the trade herd. Everything is micromanaged these days, even peoples lunch breaks. I have to wonder like in the case of that old guy working in a cafe it will be before someone says something rude to him and complains all because there break is only half and hour.

      Can you imagine a 70 year olds populating warehouse work, imagine the likes of Ashley sports direct taking them on and flogging them into the ground like he already does the 20 somethings.How about building sites ?
      Governments approach to anything is on the cheap which will blow up in there faces long term as the best route for over 60s has to be high skilled positions that are less physical but we all know government wont pay for that.

      I foresee health and safety and the NHS costs will rise as a knock on effect as being 70 isn’t like being 20 so may well drive up health related benefits like PIP and ESA aswell.

      It shouldn’t matter if people live longer as they still shouldn’t have to work longer all because both conservative and labour failed to see the long term ramifications of the future.


      December 26, 2016 at 9:22 am

  11. UK’s benefits spongers splash out at Christmas — but what about the taxpayers?


    Only a sick cheap rag like the daily star would dare to write trash knowing full well it JUST IS NOT TRUE.
    Claiming one person gets 30’000 while believing the shite people post on facebook is all the professionalism they can muster.

    Wasting 5’000 in a single year on fags and booze, what bull as £3’800 of it is the mere £73.10 a week making the figure if we talk rent, somewhat suspect. Are the daily star saying this person unlike us does not have to eat, that hes immune to hunger.

    The daily star is as usual just trying to spread bile and hate because life is so unfair for them what with being among the worst newspaper in existence with crap stories backed by crap journalism and obviously a very thick editor who does not seem to know the difference between the truth and a lie. Get off facebook and twitter daily star and do some real journalism.


    December 26, 2016 at 9:38 am

    • What do you expect from cheap FAKE NEWS outlets doug.


      December 26, 2016 at 10:31 am

  12. Queen Elizabeth placed under ‘house arrest’ after Christmas message.



    December 26, 2016 at 9:41 am



    When are taxpayers going to realize law enforcement,justice and punishment costs MONEY, more money than a lot of benefit frauds actually do. I have to suspect the drudge of work has dulled there senses as you would have to be extremely unintelligent not to realize what im saying is FACT.

    I hate to say it but the Tories are right, the public by far and large are as THINK AS COW DUNG, to stupid to think before they open there pie holes with utter nonsense.

    No the courts didn’t spare this woman, they spared the taxpayers pockets from the rocketing cost that already exceeded the fraud loss, the moment she was found guilty.

    Just a thought for taxpayers as a new years resolution,



    December 26, 2016 at 9:54 am



      NO, NOT THIS WOMAN, BUT DWP as after all, its there lack of doing there job right in the first place that these things happen. IN ANY OTHER NON GOVERNMENT BUSINESS, STAFF WOULD BE SACKED FOR NOT DOING THERE JOB RIGHT BUT NOT WHEN YOU WORK FOR GOVERNMENT IT APPEARS.

      Yes the more than my jobs worth public sector STEERED MAY I ADD BY OUR MINISTERS both past and present are the sole reason WHY this happens and the fact ONLY NOW, there SKINT, are they trawling like BOTTOM FEEDERS is WHY your hearing about it now.


      Its time to GET RID OF POLITICIANS both left and right and install senior servants we can sack at a moments notice as we have the internet so can all regularly consult on our own countries affairs instead of wasting money on highly educated DEAD BEATS who are more like this Maliha Parveen than most realize.

      Take Cameron with his dodgy expenses and tax avoidance. Take Blair wasting billions of taxpayer money on a war we needn’t have had and are now paying further costs as far east refugees flood European shores placing enormous financial burdens on every European state.



      December 26, 2016 at 10:54 am

  14. OT; Time to Start Tracking the Population via ID – First steps…

    Electoral fraud: Voters will have to show ID in pilot scheme

    The pilot will be rolled out for the local elections in 2018
    Voters will have to show proof of identity before being allowed to vote in a government pilot scheme to reduce electoral fraud.

    Different councils will trial different types of photo ID, including driving licences, passports or utility bills to prove addresses, although the creation of a new form of ID specifically for voting has been ruled out by ministers.

    ME: of the above I would only say “… at this time…”


    December 27, 2016 at 1:51 am

    • The game is simple Gazza, the more tasks government dump on the public, the less likely they are to vote.

      A much better practice of voting would be to put voting at places of work for all employees and unemployment offices for all registered claimants receiving JSA/UC/ESA/PIP benefit. This would insure a very wide audience and share the work very practically and cheaply when each place only takes votes from the employee or claimant. As both are relevant to tax records, these would act as proof of person without the need for ID. For self employed and business owners,they can be done at the tax office in there area.

      I fail to see why government didn’t think of this which makes me suspect they are either too dumb and therefore unfit for the position they hold or they deliberately left this off the table. Its a very good plan but i reckon the thought of more voters scares them in the wake of how many came out for Trump in the US now certain recounts are proving Trump was and is more popular than Hillary. Its a shame they dont recount all of it as i reckon Hillary would lose the popular vote she and the democrats are so desperate to hold on to, not to mention uncover more of the scams that party had run throughout the election like voter fraud, allowing non Americans to vote and certain prisoners.

      What do you think of my idea ?


      December 27, 2016 at 2:31 pm

      • doug

        when I was a civil servant, the main aims of ID were pretty plain to anyone who asked the right questions – control and making money off the backs of others – read the peons.

        Need to visit the Post Office – ID. Need to visit the fuel station? – ID. Need to use the buses/Trains? – ID. NHS? – Ditto. Anything and everything.

        Once that is in place the plan was stealth charges – explaining that due to the abuse of even this supposed infalible system its costing money – of course not explaining that certain groups would be exempt from said charges as they are our better offs.

        Basically get the fools to fund the noose around their own necks.

        After that the real ‘work’ would start…

        Considering that Voter Fraud in the US, consisted of just 130 – yes 130 cases since 2008 out of a couple of billion votes there I think that speaks volumes as to the need for ID if that is being held up as a prime example fro the need of this scheme.

        The Thing to watch out for? A international style one that would include visitors to England etc …


        December 27, 2016 at 6:23 pm

      • Allowing Workers to vote in the Work place would be brilliant – never happen, employers would say the cost is too much [even if funded by the tax payer – must remember, employers want sheep, not knowledgeable employees, and of course this would extend to the tory party as it originates from them as a form of control]


        December 27, 2016 at 6:26 pm

      • The cost to an employer is no different to when say they have a staff member or two run around telling people about the Christmas party or selling raffle tickets. No one i have ever known has cared about privacy of vote so we dont need private booths and even if that was the case, a PDA would more than easily mask who someone voted for. We also have more and more workers getting there wage slips online so that’s another avenue and even the case of paper ones, handing back a slip is no different to handing back an employment contract. Employers could only produce excuses Gazza as electronic paper (ie database) costs less than a penny among there already bloated use of them and a few staff spared isn’t going to break the bank.
        The same goes for the tax office and unemployment centers as your signing on or declaring taxes anyway so a quick tick in a box isn’t going to consume time when the person knows what to expect and is prepared for it.
        I thought this through to great lengths so im totally confident it would work and would progressively get more people involved even if there vote was to abstain to vote for anyone (vote of no confidence).

        Ive even worked out procedures and penalties for employers/governments/public departments trying to rig employee /claimant votes. Its totally workable yet no one besides me seems to have brought it up (dont know totally for sure).

        Political parties and big businesses influence governance so what better way to stick them under the spot light as so to speak than have them take criminal responsibility of running it but in a way we can keep them all separated so making catching them at it far easier.


        December 28, 2016 at 10:40 am

      • When you apply for Universal Credit you have to go through several interviews including a preliminary one during which you have to provide evidence of nationality etc. This means you are supposed to submit photo ID like driving licenses or passports, so called primary identification, AND long birth certificates etc., so called secondary evidence. Now, I don’t know about you but I have no photo ID myself and am sure that a lot of other people don’t either. So what happens then? A lot of people, especially older people, more than likely won’t be able to stump up the necessary evidence in which case how do they get their entitlements?

        Wanky Spanky

        January 6, 2017 at 10:23 am

      • Swanky

        I have no photo ID, not a problem for making a claim for UC, I’m on it.

        news seeker

        January 6, 2017 at 10:29 am

  15. Private sector moving in to the lucrative disability racket the UK government have been abusing for decades.

    Enforced payments while working, then using ANY excuse to refuse to pay when ill.



    December 27, 2016 at 10:07 am

    • Like i said,government are skint and prices rise but tax does not. Insurance is a stealth tax.

      The Tories as i said are selling this country out from under our feet and they need to be stopped NOW.


      December 27, 2016 at 2:34 pm

  16. news seeker

    December 27, 2016 at 2:20 pm

    • I like his stuff, nice post.


      December 27, 2016 at 2:36 pm

  17. Two private firms make £500m from fitness-for-work assessments of disability benefit claimants


    NOTICE how like i said a while back concentrix said they were “just following government guidelines” and that this should be looked at and low and behold these fit for work assessor companies are claiming the same thing.

    Its the Indian call center trick to tie people up in knots in the hope they wont pursue the truth which is in this case that government is directly behind it all yet trying to distance themselves by allowing blame to fall on HMRC and soon DWP while restricting civil servants from outing the truth by doubly enforcing the civil service code (Tories changed and have further tampered with since 2010) that prevents them from doing so, coupled with threats of instant untimely work reviews leading to no renewed contracts if they fail to comply.

    The trick is simple as the claimant can only converse with the private firm. The form get caught out and both them and government blame the public department. How you get sanctioned works the same way as does not the work coach say they cant actually sanction you, that only the DM can. The one person DWP prohibits all claimants from directly in person challenging.

    Its soon to be a new year people so lets spend it kicking government in the teeth shall we.


    December 27, 2016 at 2:54 pm

  18. Benefit slasher Iain Duncan Smith cashes in by charging £500 an hour for speeches


    Because IDS is so passionate about supporting the unemployed, isn’t it fair he hand over all the money for these talks to the treasure so they can put it all into welfare expenditure ?


    December 27, 2016 at 3:00 pm

  19. So we’re not all fit enough, overweight and the rest of it, they can’t be talking about the unemployed, low wage earners and everyone else who is getting their wages cut, they must be talking about those who can afford to buy what foods they really want to eat. all the booze they can drink.

    But then we know what could come around to us in the very near future.

    news seeker

    December 28, 2016 at 10:09 am

    • My thoughts exactly news seeker.

      I cant exercise as i dont eat enough dew to a lack of money to be able to replace the lost energy.I dont drink,take drugs yet my health is going down the toilet. As for being overweight, i wish as im actually according to my BMI grossly underweight (pointer firmly stuck to the left of the lowest spectrum).


      December 28, 2016 at 11:26 am

      • I don’t know what my weight is, haven’t checked it for years but I know I have lost weight, and have been told, by all those I know, and my rheumatoid arthritis is getting worse.

        news seeker

        December 28, 2016 at 11:51 am

      • It was usually 10.30st, for years, at 6 ft,

        news seeker

        December 28, 2016 at 11:55 am

      • I had to do an age range from 38 to 48 but your BMI says your healthy. Basically it said you should be between nine and half stone to thirteen stone to be healthy.


        December 28, 2016 at 12:32 pm

    • Talking about being overweight. On the way couple of hundred yard trip to the shops we were passed by our morbidly obese Eric Pickle look-a-like ‘disability’ benefit claiming neighbour as he entered the car park in his brand-spanking new Nissan Qashqai. Why does someone who is morbidly obese keep on eating? Talk about self-inflicted. Same goes for another ‘disability’ benefit claiming neighbour. We watch her getting truck loads of fattening food home-delivered. We even see them on motobility scooters pushing a couple of trolleys full of soft drinks, multi-bag packs of crisps (why do fatties always have a multi-bag of crisps on top of their trolley?). These lazy fatties on ‘disability’ are nowt but selfish. As Norman Tebbit said: “If you stuff your face with junk food you will get fat?” Why should the rest of us pay for these lazy fuckers benefits and cars?

      Ethel & Ernest

      December 29, 2016 at 4:49 pm

      • Ethel & Ernest

        You know if you picked up a book once in a while that you may surprise yourself and actually learn something like “Why does someone who is morbidly obese keep on eating”.

        Your quick to call them physically lazy yet you are equally as lazy but in the mental cognitive acuity department.

        Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.


        December 29, 2016 at 5:58 pm

      • doug

        now, now – as Ethel & Ernest [sounds mildly facist to me], are clearly mentally disabled due to being Tories you’ve got to give them a bit of slack for their ADHD disorder…


        December 30, 2016 at 5:39 am

  20. Those unclaimed benefits.

    While the right-wing press is quick to jump on stories about alleged benefit cheats and cruelly label anyone on welfare as “scroungers” and “layabouts”, hundreds of thousands of vulnerable people (if not more) are missing out on social security payments they rightfully deserve.

    It sadly means that many of the poorest and most vulnerable people are losing out on vital support that could help lift them and their families out of poverty, or at least improve their financial security.


    news seeker

    December 28, 2016 at 10:39 am

  21. Anonymous Reports of fraud, Compliance Interviews and Unpaid Work Programmes.


    news seeker

    December 28, 2016 at 11:01 am

    • news seeker

      December 28, 2016 at 11:07 am

      • Talking about modern slavery, what about workfare? forced to work 30 hours a week for £1.70 an hour, it’s a fecking disgrace.


        December 28, 2016 at 12:25 pm

      • Strange figure marie, are you sure you did your calculation right ?

        Also you have to factor all the benefits you receive.

        Example –

        If i just claim £73.10 (JSA) a week it would mean i work for £2.43 a hour over 30 hours.

        If i claim £73.10 (JSA) and £100 (housing benefit) a week it would mean i work for £5.77 a hour over 30 hours. Then subtract your weekly council tax amount you have arranged personally with your council (so no just picking a house band and if required using second person rebate) and that will give you the correct amount.


        December 28, 2016 at 12:42 pm

      • Average wage. 7.10 an hour Benefits (JSA/ESA) 71.00 Per Week. you do the math


        January 6, 2017 at 12:19 pm

  22. Unemployed Danish citizens without children receive between 10,849 kroner (£1,245) and 13,121 kroner (£1,505) a month under the municipal system and potentially much more under the dagpenge system.

    That’s between £287 to £347 a week.


    Denmark’s unemployment benefit known as dagpenge (literally ‘day money’) is a voluntary unemployment benefit administered via state-subsidized private organizations known as a-kasser. The benefit pays a maximum of 17,918 kroner ($2,731, 2,402 euros) per month.

    That’s £630 a week.


    The lowest spectrum here is more than i would earn working a 37 hour week on the national living wage before tax and NIC.

    All i want is government to bring back free education for the unemployed and poorly paid (concessions) as well as changing the principal regarding not qualifying if you already have a level 3 qualification as mine got invalidated by regulations and qualification changes so shouldn’t count.

    Education is the key to moving on but this government has killed any hope of that for over 24s with loans (24 plus advanced learners loan) the unemployed can ill afford to get trapped by when they do start to earn while saddling the taxpayer with such debts when the candidate cant earn above a certain amount. Its a pitiful attempt of the Tories to saddle responsibility for a portion of the national debt on people rather than voluntarily invest in people with a view to seeing great tax return revenue later on.
    Saddled to this is the DWP contract whereby they FORCE any claimant wishing to better themselves to consent to giving up said course while still incurring the full cost of the loan (so no rebate provided) at a moments notice if offered employment that would make it impossible to attend said course. They laughingly suggest in the paperwork to ask if you can rearrange the time you attend the course like any college is ever going to move dates all for one single person.

    This is yet further proof government just want claimants off the books and DON’T CARE how they do it, even if that means saddling us with debt they encourage the public to take on but in a crafty your choice kinda way.


    December 28, 2016 at 12:17 pm

    • Does the Danish dole include housing costs though? Help with rent/mortgage and so on? Two to three hundred pounds a week would be great if housing costs were covered separately, but if Danish dole is inclusive, after housing costs have been deducted, what would Danes be left with as per living costs?


      December 28, 2016 at 1:35 pm

      • I did write a reply Paul but its awaiting moderation dew to i suspect all the links contained within it. Not sure if its something andrew coates deals with but if it does not appear by tomorrow say lunch time, i will try a different approach to bring it to you.


        December 28, 2016 at 3:54 pm

      • ‘Andrew Coates’ is too busy living it up with his young immigrant wife on his holiday home on Barbados to bother with your comment, doug… 😉


        December 28, 2016 at 5:57 pm

      • Part 1/3

        I would imagine it acts as a income based type system so yes but not as far as children are concerned.

        I did a little digging and you can get a 2 bedroom apartment with maid service i add (maybe that costs extra) for about 4.700 krone a month which converted to pounds and made weekly works out at £101.70 a week.


        I found another similar property just to give a range of price at 7300 krone which equates to about £157 a week.


        Both as you can see are much better quality than we have here by far and large. I also noted different areas have quite varied rates and may explain there not being one amount of benefit.


        December 29, 2016 at 11:57 am

      • part 2/3

        So getting back to good old UK first one must deduct council tax from such an equation or should i say add to ones rent which Denmark dont have in operation. Also the general cost of living is cheaper in there various aspects of life in Denmark (down in many places while up in other areas so an average based on what a unemployed person here needs to survive with).


        So to properly answer you question i would say with the municipal system a claimant here would be better off to the range of 80 to a 150 pounds a week (varies dependent on certain factors) and a whole heap more under the dagpenge system.


        December 29, 2016 at 11:58 am

      • part 3/3





        I could give you all sorts of links to data for forecasting onwards of 2016 to 2017 but its just to impossible to predict with any certainty so whether or not Denmark maintain there economic composure considering the strength of all things remains to be seen but if there’s one thing for certain, its that they weathered it better than our UK policy approach did up to this point thus far.


        December 29, 2016 at 11:59 am

  23. OT: Bosses huge pay rises levels not justified – Hey people have just noticed this….

    “The link between what bosses are paid and a company’s financial performance is “negligible”, new research finds.”

    ME: You won’t be seeing the CBI, Bankers etc saying yes this is true – in fact the exact opposite.
    I bet the gap gets bigger though…


    December 28, 2016 at 5:09 pm

  24. And in ireland a brillant way to increase homelessness and Suffering

    Belfast benefits appeals service loses funding

    A service supporting people appealing their benefits decisions is to lose its funding at the end of this week.


    December 29, 2016 at 9:22 am

    • The consequences of it sure enough.

      news seeker

      December 29, 2016 at 11:45 am

    • This is what social exclusion and social protection expenditure is for from the welfare budget. Im surprised a court case against the council isn’t in the wings.


      December 29, 2016 at 11:55 am

  25. Part 2/3

    So getting back to good old UK first one must deduct council tax from such an equation or should i say add to ones rent which Denmark dont have in operation. Also the general cost of living is cheaper in there various aspects of life in Denmark (down in many places while up in other areas so an average based on what a unemployed person here needs to survive with).


    So to properly answer you question i would say with the municipal system a claimant here would be better off to the range of 80 to a 150 pounds a week (varies dependent on certain factors) and a whole heap more under the dagpenge system.


    December 29, 2016 at 11:57 am


      For the full post scroll upwards slightly where you find it after my original post on Denmark benefits systems


      December 29, 2016 at 12:01 pm

  26. Debenhams soak homeless man on Boxing Day – ruin his clothes.

    So to some of you you know my predicament of being homeless. But yesterday morning I woke up feeling wet socks and clothes thought I might of left a bottle open or something. I then get told by the security of Debenhams I have 10 minutes which was fine. But as he walked away he said enjoy your water bed.


    news seeker

    December 29, 2016 at 1:11 pm

    • Nice one news seeker, i left a legal response to this poor guys problem.
      Im not sure how well it may serve him but the more people who are aware, the sooner we can stop this cruel behavior.


      December 29, 2016 at 2:58 pm

      • Thanks for helping this person Doug if he does something about it and many others who see your comment.

        news seeker

        December 30, 2016 at 12:16 pm

      • That story has definitely struck a nerve as the sheer number of posts is quite something to see dont you think news seeker.

        I see Debenhams got a mouthful but released a rather lame reply. The amount of people looking to go soak that guard was also offered by many. I think its safe to say that guard wont be at the very least be working at that store again.


        January 1, 2017 at 10:14 am

      • That guard is just another one of those who assumes he will never be in that situation, but now it might hit home. for him though it might be too late.

        news seeker

        January 1, 2017 at 11:57 am

      • Homeless man wakes to find sleeping bag on fire as group of youngsters stand by laughing.

        He was left with minor burns on his fingers and it is thought his belongings had been deliberately set alight.


        A protester says he has been repeatedly abused and attacked while camping in Leicester’s Jubilee Square over Christmas to raise awareness of violence against homeless people.

        However when Leicester City Council served legal papers on him saying he would be prosecuted for trespass he resolved to stay put until his court appearance on January 18.

        The 38-year-old said he wanted to pressure the authorities into doing more to help homeless people.


        news seeker

        January 1, 2017 at 8:58 pm

  27. Dad DIES 10 months after Job Centre bosses told his doctor not to write any more sick notes

    The DWP wrote to James Harrison’s doctor behind his back and declared him fit for work 10 months before he died



    December 29, 2016 at 2:02 pm

  28. The Tory assassins the DWP interfered with a sick man’s doctors reports that led to his death.



    December 29, 2016 at 2:14 pm

  29. Marie

    December 29, 2016 at 2:34 pm


    We’ve heard it all before, but here is yet another case where a Jobcentre pen-pusher told a medical doctor not to write any more medical certificates for a man who died shortly afterwards. The man was clearly not fit for work – no ifs, no buts:


    Dr Death

    December 29, 2016 at 2:52 pm

  31. Have you all forgotten about the case earlier this year in which IDS and Grayling were reported to Police Scotland for “wilful neglect of duty” after the deaths of benefit claimants?

    Police Scotland have refused to investigate!


    This development is worthy of a page to itself.

    Dr Death

    December 29, 2016 at 3:04 pm

    • That’s because police Scotland are run by a bunch of masonic thugs.


      December 29, 2016 at 3:12 pm

    • What your witnessing is that humans despite thousands of years of evolution are still the same fundamentally at there core.
      Take government and mainstream media, they preach about how horrible this race hate is yet secretly are engineering and the proof is in how like say in the case of media online, they make no attempt what so ever to remove from the comment sections hundreds of race hating posts. They all think there being clever by attempting to disguise what they say but hate is like a hole in that you cant have half a hole because a hole is a hole plain and simple.

      They’ve deliberately turned it on its head so much your considered a racist whether or not you even say anything for the sole purpose of creating division. You see if your all holding hands, you make it impossible for establishment to conquer and control you.


      December 29, 2016 at 6:18 pm

  32. Posted by some knobhead on another forum:

    “As far as I know there is no Universal Credit appeals. Your fuc**d if it ever happens!!!”

    Which is total shit:

    “Universal Credit

    8. Appeal a decision

    You can appeal a decision about:

    your initial claim
    the amount of an award
    a sanction

    Ask for a ‘mandatory reconsideration’ of the decision. You need to do this within 1 month of the decision.

    You’ll get a letter saying whether the decision’s been changed.

    If you don’t agree with what the letter says, you can usually appeal to the Social Security and Child Support Tribunal. The letter will say if you can’t do this.”

    Why do these knobheads persist in posting misinformation to the internet?

    Fact Checker

    December 30, 2016 at 12:04 am

  33. The flavour is coming through 🙂

    Mary Berry

    December 30, 2016 at 1:47 am

    • Through a strategically placed net i have gleaned the following fact checker.

      While you do indeed get many an unformed person spreading lies and misconceptions their are persons influenced by both government and public departments to spread such in a to obvious to be luck or coincidence way. Its not confined to just welfare and has been especially active in topics such as health and security.

      Governments and high up officials have always thought they were above the law so often practice propaganda/spin/fake news and post truth. History has been littered with it but no more so since the height of the internet and social medias influence on others. Knowing now the jig is up they are seeking to create absolute confusion while pretending to be the public in the hope the public will just switch off and become far less politically aware and currently aware.

      Western governments are terrified that there long held institution is in the process of being taken away by ever more aware public who are now openly challenging them and what looks to be the case, WINNING.
      All there talk of being democratic/world saviors have been consistently proven to be false, that all along we have all been deceived.

      Think about it, a person only lies if they think have something to gain. So in the case of welfare, who stands to gain by saying there’s no appeal to UC ?


      December 30, 2016 at 11:22 am

      • Only the obvious.

        news seeker

        December 30, 2016 at 11:57 am

  34. The half-baked Conservative welfare reforms seem targeted deliberately to make life very much harder for the poorest and most vulnerable. Consider the impossibly long waiting period for Universal Credit. If you are lucky enough to have money in the bank, or have been paid a full month’s salary prior to application which is enough to cover all living expenses, including rent/mortgage, until you get your first UC payment, you will be manage but if you are not that fortunate Universal Credit absolutely will pitch you into rent arrears and debt.


    Because the only help available to cash strapped UC applicants is a loan to tide you over until you receive your first UC payment, which has to be paid back, which means Universal Credit forces the very neediest and most vulnerable citizens into rent arrears and/or debt from which they may never recover – and not only does it do that awful and horrible thing to the defenceless but does it by design!

    The poorer and more vulnerable you are the more Universal Credit hurts you.

    Same with every one of the Iain Duncan Smith and David Freud inspired so called reforms.

    Happy new year all.

    I wonder how many of us will be left to say this in twelve month’s time?


    December 30, 2016 at 9:58 am

  35. Department of Work and Pensions officials accused of covering up benefit test statistics


    Sounds strangely like the stats on dead claimants as a result of sanctions and adverse decisions all over again.


    December 30, 2016 at 10:51 am

    • For the record rule 22 of the freedom of information act gives NO clarity on what published in the future implies. Its completely open ended meaning it could be 2137.


      December 30, 2016 at 10:53 am

      • And just what is going to happen in the very near future, but long before 2137.

        news seeker

        December 30, 2016 at 12:48 pm

      • Ministers put British bill of rights plan on hold until after Brexit.

        Confirmation of delay comes as some Tories are pressing PM to pull UK out of European convention on human rights


        news seeker

        December 30, 2016 at 4:07 pm

      • We were the fore front that was the human rights act so its intriguing Tories feel we need to depart from it.
        She wants us and ministers to get behind it yet fails herself to get behind a very British born act. Its just another parliamentary act she knows would be difficult to get out of under normal circumstances.

        Shes already subverted it with the snoopers charter for one. Be it labour or conservative, they lied about torturing POWs then brought in a law allowing it and lets not all forget, we got dragged into a war under false pretenses, a war that now sees Isil terrorists born out of as a result of it.

        Over the last five years they have been wasting taxpayer money doing court appeals inorder to defy court rulings and is now openly defying the UN.

        Any support for a change in this will be suicide.


        December 31, 2016 at 10:00 am

  36. Complicit media ONLY seem interested when it’s women that are homeless.

    Headline fails to mention her husband in the same plight.



    December 30, 2016 at 12:33 pm

  37. This is terrible, if I was in the same position as these poor women, I would choose prison over being on the streets.


    December 30, 2016 at 1:01 pm

    • Many people would but you would need to commit some kind of crime Marie, could you, me I couldn’t. but I wouldn’t like being out in the cold either.

      news seeker

      December 30, 2016 at 6:37 pm

      • Yes I know, prison or out in sub zero temperatures – it’s not much of a choice is it 🙁 and no I don’t think I would be capable of committing a crime, but I suppose if I was really desperate I might.


        December 30, 2016 at 8:34 pm

      • I understand what you mean, I guess many people have done just that with no previous criminal record with what they are experience with today,

        news seeker

        December 30, 2016 at 11:43 pm

      • Experiencing even! .

        news seeker

        December 30, 2016 at 11:46 pm

      • Walk up to a shop window and put a brick through it when the shop is closed. No one gets hurt and you get criminal damages charge. Because your homeless they cant bail you and by the time your actually on trial you would have served your sentence including time for court costs as remember your nolonger entitles to benefits so court cant expect you to be able to pay. If you want longer just commit contempt of court.


        December 31, 2016 at 10:06 am

  38. Andrew Coates

    December 30, 2016 at 1:43 pm

  39. More than 2.3m families living in fuel poverty in England, according to government statistics., yes the government.

    Tories urged to act as one in 10 households is fuel poor, rising to about one in five for those renting from private landlords.

    only they won’t act will they. because they don’t care.

    Almost 60,000 households in Birmingham alone cannot afford to heat their homes. The figures from the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy show the West Midlands city is worst affected, with Leeds, Cornwall, Manchester and Liverpool also in the top five local authorities where households face “eat or heat” choices in winter.


    news seeker

    December 31, 2016 at 12:00 am

  40. Prestatyn ex-serviceman with broken back and heart condition wins battle to keep benefits


    Was it an error as i for one would want to see what this assessment said by these so called health practitioners. If anyone knows this man, please get in touch with him and ask him to FOI DWP for a copy of this assessment then hand that over to the press.


    December 31, 2016 at 10:12 am

  41. Number of private renters made homeless has trebled since 2010, figures reveal.

    The number of private renters being made homeless is at a near-record high and has more than trebled under the Conservative government, an analysis of new official statistics by The Independent has found.


    news seeker

    December 31, 2016 at 12:58 pm

  42. History lesson.

    The communist cannibals: Shocking images reveal the depravation suffered by peasants forced to eat HUMANS during the 1920s Russian famine

    The Russian famine of 1921–22, also known as Povolzhye famine, occurred in Bolshevik Russia
    It began in early spring of 1921 and lasted through 1922
    Civil war and Lenin’s policy of seizing food from peasants caused the devastating man-made famine
    Around 30 million people were affected and around five million died
    WARNING: Distressing images


    news seeker

    December 31, 2016 at 1:02 pm

  43. Little girl told parents she didn’t want presents this Christmas, asking for money to go to homeless instead.



    December 31, 2016 at 1:05 pm

  44. Yet another homeless person freezing to death.

    Lonely homeless man ‘froze to death’ in doorway yards from theatre packed with families watching New Year pantomime


    news seeker

    December 31, 2016 at 3:03 pm

  45. The SKWAWKBOX launches official Facebook page

    In order to maximise the reach of the information it puts out, which for the most part you will not find in the mainstream media, the SKWAWKBOX has been advised by a helpful PR professional to launch an official Facebook page.

    Most months, around 70% of the visitors to this blog – an average of some 120,000 a month since its relaunch in August – come via Facebook anyway, so it’s clearly an important avenue for getting information out to those who need to be aware of it.


    news seeker

    December 31, 2016 at 5:14 pm

  46. Has “Lord” Freud let slip the agenda behind Universal Credit – one of micomanaging the unemployed, low-paid, and the disabled?

    Here’s an interesting quote from his final speech in the House of Lords: “We can tag people and watch what happens when we do something with them. This will take decades. In the end it will be a combination of financial incentives and conditionality, which one will need to optimise.”

    Sounds like a surveillance state, or maybe a slavers’ charter.

    SJ NM

    December 31, 2016 at 5:23 pm

    • Money replaced chains. slavery

      news seeker

      December 31, 2016 at 5:27 pm

    • Lord Freud was a psychopathic mentalist. I well remember when he wanted to slash benefits made to disabled children justifying the cut by saying that disabled people had lower benefits, proportionately, than disabled children and that it was better for disabled children not to get a bit more money but to be as relatively poor as they would be when adults so that they weren’t “shocked” when they found themselves poorer after turning eighteen.

      Basically he was saying that disabled children should be made poorer, because disabled adults weren’t receiving sufficient money to live on, so they got seasoned to being poor right from the word go and wouldn’t be disappointed when they became poorer as adults.

      Nice guy.

      Pity he didn’t seek to achieve parity between benefits given to disabled children and disabled adults by seeking to give disabled adults more rather than give disabled children less but there you go. As he said himself: “I’ve always been a Tory.” The loon worked for six years as unelected Minister for Welfare Reform with the coalition and Tory government for nothing, never drawing a salary, while fucking everything up good and proper for people who were struggling the most to get by.

      I consider Freud to be even worse than Iain Duncan Smith and more responsible for the mess we have now.

      He is one of the few individuals I would no hesitate to call “evil”.

      We will never know how many people, now dead, would be alive today if Freud had never been heard of.


      December 31, 2016 at 5:51 pm

      • If someone is not willing to do it, someone else will.

        news seeker

        December 31, 2016 at 6:29 pm

    • Freud’s cockeyed ideas and meddling will, I believe, eventually become discredited as more and more people become adversely affected by his legacy, particularly when millions of people get migrated from legacy benefits onto Universal Credit. At present only about one twenty-sixth of claimants destined for UC are actually in receipt of UC and most of them are the result of nice new tidy new claims. When the government starts trying to move the other eight and a half million on combinations of legacy benefits onto UC the shit will really hit the fan. If it is possible, many experts say that it won’t be. My bet is that if Freud is remembered at all he will not be remembered fondly.


      December 31, 2016 at 6:00 pm

      • We shouldn’t forget that people are being laid off every day, automation, greed, the excuse Brexit and so on, the majority of the population..

        news seeker

        December 31, 2016 at 6:13 pm

    • THe Worrying thing is – if they are willing to target the unemployed, and as we all know, particular types of governments are prone to extending their reach beyond the original point – i’m looking at you Tories/UKIP stylies, where would this stop/

      What would be too much?
      What punishment is too much?
      Who would be exempt? [rich of course – by a nod and a wink]
      Would it be fair?

      and most important

      Would it work?

      How about this for scenarios:

      Working = access to NHS, transport, food, shelter, the law, schools
      Not Working = access to none of the above or anything else for that matter.

      Earning a nice Wedge = access to NHS, transport, food, shelter, the law, schools
      Not earning a nice Wedge = access to none of the above or anything else for that matter.

      i am sure anyone can extrapolate the current trends as to where this all might be going.

      History shows us, yes, such schemes appear to work but just makes things worse until it all crashes down into chaos. if things get bad enough those to blame are held accountable to the public – anyone remember Romania and how that turned out?


      December 31, 2016 at 11:16 pm

      • They are going to extend their agenda to the working. Firstly by imposing “conditionality” on part-time “underemployed” workers on Universal Credit, who will suffer the same kind of sanctions and/or fines(!) if they can’t prove that they are looking for more work to get them over the 35 hour minimum wage threshold that Freud arbitrarily set. This is pretty grim because for people working enough to only receive only housing benefit via Universal Credit because if they can’t “evidence” their “work search” they can get their housing benefit cut or have a nasty fine imposed on them.


        Part-time workers under the regime won’t be entitled to part-time holidays and will be expected to carry out the full 35 hour “work search” during any time off given to them by their employers even if their employers pay them while on holiday. One wonders how much further “conditionality” is going to be extended and to whom.


        January 1, 2017 at 9:42 am

      • Most of what you say is already true in many parts of America where social security is meagre at the best of times and time limited.


        January 1, 2017 at 9:46 am

      • Martin / Paul

        This will get interesting fast – the reason why there was rules brought in was due to the huge numbers of accidents, due to overwork/long hours/long distances etc. How long before that happens again – worse for this lot of fools, all it will take is the dusting off of the original reasons why the rules were brought in and people will start to ask very pointed questions.

        The evidence back then was undisputable.

        There could [i am suggesting with a very small ‘c’ould] be a link to the shelving of brining in a new rights act – let alone the scots/welsh/irish already stating they’d block any weakening of protections.


        January 1, 2017 at 10:41 am


        What if your single with no kids, working just enough to cancel out unemployment benefit but not enough to get tax credit ?

        The DEVIL IN THE DETAIL here is that nowhere in the regulations or act does the subject of CAN YOU SANCTION HOUSING BENEFIT appear.

        I say this has how do you enforce in work conditions on such a person i described above if you cant sanction the only thing they do get which is housing benefit. Now i have tons of government paperwork and i remember one (cant currently identify which) a comment made about removing from housing benefit an element a claimant would have got had they been eligible from it as a punishment under conditionality. If memory serves me well, what that element was , was not identified in the document.
        Now i can imagine it can only be either unemployment or tax credit benefits. So if it was unemployment benefit then it may be safe to assume that £73.10 would be removed however i think it maybe tax credit as its a shorter figure and if DWP get caught out wont look so bad. That figure is going to be between £15.58 to £38.65 a week. This would coincide with the fact of paying council tax and of course inline with there hardship fund. Either way even though they have sanctioned you, there looking to see you secure the debt of a hardship fund to fill in the blanks.


        You must have done all the work-related activities that you were supposed to do in the 7 days before you apply for a hardship payment.


        January 1, 2017 at 12:22 pm

      • Paul

        January 1, 2017 at 12:41 pm

      • doug

        i think you’ll find that you are referencing the actual act which came into force last year with all this rubbish – your comment rings a bell from when i read it back then.


        January 1, 2017 at 12:51 pm

      • T May vowed to “pull down those barriers that hold people back”.

        news seeker

        January 1, 2017 at 2:40 pm

      • news seeker

        January 1, 2017 at 3:48 pm

      • All this conditionality shite is as old as the hills but rarely been applied to condition millions of people in supposedly free democracies. Basically twats like IDS and Freud believe that people can be rewarded and/or punished into behaving in new ways which they – and by “they” I mean authoritarian arseholes like IDS and Freud – consider worthwhile and laudable. Trouble is when there isn’t enough carrot (welfare cuts) the only thing that these idiots think can alter behaviour is plenty of stick (punishment) hence our current inhumane sanctions system.

        It’s all complete and utter shit and about as likely to work as aversion therapy is in “curing” homosexuality.

        What normally happens in humans is that if you treat them like dirt they rebel more than they kowtow.


        Winston Smith

        January 1, 2017 at 8:22 pm

      • Winston Smith

        Its the nudging technique plain and simple. We already covered risk and reward conditioning during our discussion on creating social norms and what that meant when i posted that article a while back.

        The only way to advert it is to not allow it to happen but with in work claimants being tricked into participating in the in work conditionality trial its hard to defend against. Claimants/public alike need to realize your being petri dished that this government is socially engineering to get the public to accept things you wouldn’t accept. They have and will continue to be divisive throughout and have no intentions of stopping until they lose power and why the Tories MUST NOT BE VOTED IN A THIRD TIME. They knew they couldn’t take you all on while you all held hands and so have constructively segregated groups so as to push in changes as though they were social norms and there driving force is hate.


        Back in 2010 the tories placed in the minds of the public the seed that the unemployed all deliberately dont work, that their whole mission is to live a life of benefits. By throwing dodgy stats,carefully phrased words and sentence constructs, the public adopted this as a social norm without further question. You see if you keep repeating something true or not, the brain will take it on as read. Once it reaches that state, its permanent unless one questions everything. The inquisitive mind is a powerful thing and destroys cognitive processing and why i always say QUESTION EVERYTHING. Science is a perfect example as a scientists mind never accepts fact no matter what tests yield. Science wouldn’t grow, couldn’t evolve if it didn’t challenge the results.

        Now many of the public like nothing more than to settle for the efforts of others so are easily tuned. But all is not perfect though as you feel something lurking in the back of your minds. You dont know what it is yet but it sits like an uncomfortable mental itch that troubles you when your mind dwells on it every now and then. Some will seek answer, many want so those that do must seek to help those that dont or the cloud of illusion cant be lifted and thus becomes and remains a social norm.

        Take the word indifferent and concentrate on the premise of neither good nor bad. Seems like an innocent harmless word right. Well its not as right there is created a space where one shouldn’t exist. Now fill that space with something and bingo, you’ve created an imagined thought. Many such spaces exist in our syntax and are commonly used by propagandists, spin artists and illusionists but can also be formed accidentally. The only way to see them is to study the sentence construct, and if more than one thing can apply from it, you have one. You can do the same with numbers if your mathematically minded.

        Its not magic and its not hard to learn be you using it or repelling it and the best place to start is to question everything constantly. DWP work coaches are unbeknownst in there training phase told certain constructs when dealing with claimants, ive witnessed it when i eavesdrop a newbie getting schooled.

        Take those tests which they say are neither wrong or right yet always give DWP the answer they want you to fall into. Why do you accept that one of the 1 to 10 applies to you in a question when put another way, you would have said, no thats not me, it does not apply. They cant sanction you for such an answer yet play there game many a claimant will.

        JUST REMEMBER Euripides wrote:

        “Question everything. Learn something. Answer nothing.”


        January 2, 2017 at 12:41 pm

  47. Wishing you all a happy new year, hopefully it will be for all who comment here and for all those who haven’t yet found this site and others like it where help is always at hand..

    news seeker

    December 31, 2016 at 6:58 pm

  48. May i wish everyone a happy new year – I hope it is a better one than this one.

    Off, too listen to Prince and 1999 at midnight.

    Take Care all


    December 31, 2016 at 11:18 pm

    • Prince and his hit 1999? More like Orwell and his book 1984 I’m afraid.

      Winston Smith

      January 1, 2017 at 8:05 pm

  49. New Year brings in new sanctions but this time they are for enablers of offshore tax evasion. really .

    news seeker

    January 1, 2017 at 12:07 pm

  50. Anti-poverty charity, The Trussell Trust, has proposed a direct telephone line between foodbanks and local job centres.

    David McAuley, Chief Executive of The Trussell Trust,

    “As the number of emergency food parcels provided to people by foodbanks rises once again, it’s clear that more can be done to get people back on their feet faster. Many foodbanks now host independent welfare and debt advisers but they cannot solve all the issues. To stop UK hunger we must make sure the welfare system works fairly and compassionately, stopping people getting to a point where they have no money to eat. It feels like we could be seeing a new era at the DWP with a consultation on Work Capability Assessments and willingness to engage in dialogue with charities working on the front line. A telephone hotline could build on this and go a long way to improving foodbanks ability to help get people out of a crisis faster.”


    news seeker

    January 1, 2017 at 3:11 pm

    • Universal Credit is getting people into work faster, keeping them in work longer, and enabling them to earn more while in work. Every Universal Credit applicant has four weeks wages from their last job paid to them immediately before they apply for Universal Credit, enabling them to to support themselves during the five week waiting period, and receive personalised mentoring, advice and help from highly qualified and sympathetic staff at their nearest Jobcentre Plus at no charge. There is hence no reason for any Universal Credit applicant to experience hardship. The reasons for food bank usage are many and complex and it would be wrong to attribute such usage to welfare reforms aimed at curing welfare dependency and giving the welfare dependent their lives back.

      Pat Answer

      January 1, 2017 at 3:29 pm

      • That’s a funny one,

        news seeker

        January 1, 2017 at 6:33 pm

      • highly qualified and sympathetic staff at their nearest Jobcentre Plus at no charge.


        They didn’t charge for that either!


        January 2, 2017 at 12:00 am

      • Pat Answer

        its strip this rubbish of its pretentious cover to reveal what its really aim is;


        Wage slavery refers to a situation where a person’s livelihood depends on wages or a salary, especially when the dependence is total and immediate.[1][2] It is a pejorative term used to draw an analogy between slavery and wage labor by focusing on similarities between owning and renting a person.

        Southern defenders of African American slavery invoked the concept of wage slavery to favorably compare the condition of their slaves to workers in the North

        Historically, the range of occupations and status positions held by chattel slaves has been nearly as broad as that held by free persons, indicating some similarities between chattel slavery and wage slavery as well.

        Defenses of wage labor and chattel slavery in the literature have linked the subjection of man to man with the subjection of man to nature; arguing that hierarchy and a social system’s particular relations of production represent human nature and are no more coercive than the reality of life itself.

        Emma Goldman famously denounced wage slavery by saying: “The only difference is that you are hired slaves instead of block slaves.”[21]

        ME: So my conclusion as i suspect will be others is that the new benefit system is modernised slavery. Welcome to the 21st Century


        January 2, 2017 at 12:47 am

      • Benefit sanctions: Britain’s secret penal system


        There is much more information!

        news seeker

        January 2, 2017 at 9:29 am

      • Here’s more, you don’t mind us sharing this info do you DWP.

        Britain’s Welfare System. There are thousands upon thousand of recorded narratives of the severe damage sanctions do to our fellow citizens in the UK.

        Last year DWP sanctions affected 100,000 children in the UK – what crime have they committed as children to face ‘collective punishment’, be made hungry by the State as a punishment for the alleged misdemeanours of their parents?

        It now seems clear that even Christmas proves no protection for the vulnerable and needy reliant on benefits to survive, as reported in Weekly Welfare on 20 December 2016: DWP staff told to focus on sanctions rather than processing benefit appeals.


        news seeker

        January 2, 2017 at 10:07 am

      • Obviously satirical.


        January 2, 2017 at 2:19 pm

      • Well pat answer please allow me to shit on this, something i do extremely well.

        1: Universal Credit is getting people into work faster – Funny, DWP haven’t officially as yet been able to establish and demonstrate this in any shape or form before any committee that indeed such claimants went into work and not merely ceased to claim UC. Considering when we compare pre 2008 figures with post 2008, the point still hasn’t been made as only now are figures the same as pre 2008. Being the case most claimants had been only out of work dew to the 2008 crash, its more than safe to assume they would have got back into work with or without welfare reform as its the labour market that dictates what work is available and not welfare. Every welfare scheme has failed to produce results greater than had nothing been tried and the claimant found there own way into work. Adding the fact far less people are on UC and most are already in work and claiming tax/child credit and housing makes the sentence a joke as there mostly already there. Only recently in a session live on parliament TV before a committee DWP conceded to have most of all there evidence based purely on foreign accounts abroad with next to nothing but meaningless stats proving nothing about concrete proof nationally. They even announced only now are they in a position to start designing/forming meaningful stats to assert the point that until now they simply haven’t been able to.

        2: Keeping them in work longer – Again only the labour market can do that as no jobs, no work and like i said, most UC claimants are already in work so how does one measure longer with no base line figure other than zero.

        3: Enabling them to earn more while in work – Talk about subjective as enable means to give authority or means with each being subjective within themselves. The taper rate that only recently got decreased, the cap, the freeze on tax credit would seem to remove the notion of means. As for authority, what authority as are DWP going to say no to a person earning more, whats to make a claimant even listen to such authority that is somewhat hollow.

        A person would have to be a certified dumbass to swallow such meaningless and ineffectual crap.

        “Question Everything, Accept Nothing” – Galileo


        January 2, 2017 at 3:10 pm

      • IF ONLY what you have said were true cowPat!


        January 2, 2017 at 7:12 pm

  51. Kent Police alerted to concerns for the welfare of a man at Langdon Cliffs in Dover, Kent and found a body at the base of the cliff on Sunday afternoon.

    During the search, the Coastguard also discovered the bodies of a second man and woman.

    Enquiries into the circumstances behind all three deaths are ongoing.”


    news seeker

    January 1, 2017 at 7:21 pm

  52. Never mind the homeless though.

    England’s first garden villages have been proposed for 14 sites spread across the country from Devon to Cumbria, the government has announced.

    Ministers have lent their support to 14 planned developments which will each deliver between 1,500 and 10,000 properties and establish new villages.


    news seeker

    January 2, 2017 at 12:31 pm

  53. Anonymous:
    ‘western leaders will be dragged through streets in 2017’



    January 2, 2017 at 12:43 pm

  54. This looks like just the place for ‘Pat Answer’ and ilk to live, poor, sanactioned and jobless. And paying a tory landlord to inflict more pain. Perfect.


    January 2, 2017 at 4:00 pm

  55. 2: Keeping them in work longer – Again only the labour market can do that as no jobs, no work and like i said, most UC claimants are already in work

    Its the sign of a weak labour market when the country is supposed to be going it alone.Its come at a bad time with Trump seen as Russia’s Gorbachev also the new administration suggesting financial services should take advantage and relocate to mainland Europe a sector which under Thatcher took over.

    Rising inflation declining health services’ rights eroded article 50 pubic confidence eroded the UK being sidelined and ignored is looking like a real prospect. Its one division to many.


    January 2, 2017 at 8:42 pm

    • When i look at the labour market stats coupled with industry development and of course trade i see a recurring theme. That theme is that this country sorely lacks innovation and design. So sold out to the rest of the world we simply dont have anything of our own. From cars to gadgets to clothes we have slid behind other countries to the point of being the western equivalent of a third world country in trade.

      We just stopped doing our own thing, instead willing to let successive governments and those looking to be far too wealthy to drive us into the arms of foreign capitalists and corporations. We once contributed more to science than any other country in the world yet now funded by foreign investors give over our inventions like they never existed.

      Looking at stats your see a super large rise in warehouse/retail trade followed by the service/hospitality sector while science,education and engineering slip onto the quiet. What does exist in the latter is not our own.

      It isn’t welfare reform we need as while we push people into cheap labour we neglect the opportunity to raise the bar on education beyond waiting for our young to grow the smarts that by then will be far to late, especially in a world where advancement for them would be better served abroad so abroad they will go with there talents assuming they gain some what with education pushing the old mantra stifling imagine.

      Water, energy and agriculture is going to become big business in times to come what with shores ever disappearing,fresh water stocks diminishing, medicine becoming too pricey and ineffectual and the list continues. This is where we could start but first we must invest in education and make it free to the point of use so we may tap every British mind.


      January 3, 2017 at 2:19 pm

      • doug

        i fully agree. The rot started in many different areas, its difficult to know where to start but here goes. marconi/nimrod upgrade – companies chasing not steady increase in profit but wholesale rush to the city and embracing shortermism’ to please shareholders. The grasping of the increase manager wages to levels which we see now. The cutting of research and development. Rushing projects to completion – when in fact not complete. The start of unrealistic promises for projects. The increase in costs for projects – all ending up in the city/shareholders & senior managers pockets.

        The one thread that runs through this example is the City. Its focus is not on long term wealth generation that can take years, if not decades but on short term profits they can benefit from explicitly for the yearly bonus’s, and that can only be got via a increase in profit.

        Carrying years long/decades long losses before the project turns the corner does not look good on a companies balance sheet [not unless you’re a bank and can sell the dross to the poor mugs in the street – anyone remember CDOs – Credit Default Swaps from the crash? And they’ve started selling that rubbish again of course].

        Until that is squeezed out we will continue down this path.

        As an example, anyone hear of plans for how industry will cope say when the next big one hits California?
        Nope. It used to exist back in the early 80s before big bang in the city but not anymore. So how much infrastucture/finance is squirrelled away for such a day. Nothing. Industry will grind to a halt, right quick. Or how about the huge rock on the side of the volcano [forgot what island but it exists] just waiting to slide into the atlantic and ravage the US coast with a tidal wave. Nothing again.

        There are no longer any long term plans – only get rich quick ones. And we all know how chasing that pot of magical gold ends.

        Its a bit like when Witch May went to India to sell British business abroad – no one there was buying especially as it became clear it was the city that wanted to move in. You know the city that will take over your own home grown areas and leave you with the scraps. Like its done in many other countries… so lets sell other things… Oh wait we stopped funding R&D in them…

        Hell, the only HighTech current example I can think of is Skylon. Says it all.


        January 4, 2017 at 12:03 am

      • ARM, the British company that develops low power RISC CPUs is a world class outfit now, I believe, owned by Japan’s Softbank.


        January 4, 2017 at 4:57 pm

  56. Finland becomes first country to pay the unemployed a fixed income



    January 2, 2017 at 11:46 pm

  57. Woman with MS had benefits cut because she could squeeze assessor’s thumb


    Its a result granted but we are still seeing local MPs having to get involved just to overturn such bizarre test results that shouldn’t exist in the first place. There’s no way in hell squeezing a thumb should cant as able to work yet somehow it passed a health practitioner who called it, a business overseeing the operation of correctly assessing disabled and sick people and finally DWP themselves.
    Not once during this fiasco did three stages pick up on it and thus proving the whole process is very poorly run as it joins numerous other cases already overturned in court not from one single business running it but all businesses running it. This shows the overall problem exists in the document architecture supplied to all businesses running the assessment and thus high time this was looked at in detail to see whether its flaws added in by government/work and pensions or a direct result of deliberate abuses committed by the health assessor businesses and or practitioners as a consequence of having a payment by results base system.


    January 3, 2017 at 12:39 pm

  58. Couple who saved up for new year celebrations cancel plans and use money to help the homeless instead.



    January 3, 2017 at 12:56 pm

  59. Origins of Happiness? Psychologists Against Austerity respond.

    Clinical psychologists have widely criticised Labour peer and economist, Richard Layard, over research he led that claims failed relationships and physical and mental illness were bigger causes of misery than poverty.


    news seeker

    January 3, 2017 at 6:54 pm

  60. She’s trying.

    Mhairi Black has today (3rd January) vowed to be “a thorn in the side” of the UK Government over the “horrific and unfair” benefit sanctions regime and called on Theresa May to outline exactly what she will do to improve the hated system if she refuses to scrap it completely.


    news seeker

    January 3, 2017 at 7:06 pm

  61. Ot I have been told that I am having my Pip reassessed. The first assessment was with maxim us in duke street in Ipswich. Now I am told it will be with Atos this time at the synergy center in fore street.can’t get answers Why two different assesors


    January 4, 2017 at 6:40 am

  62. Can’t even A. Answer off cab


    January 4, 2017 at 6:43 am

  63. Adviceplease


    January 4, 2017 at 6:47 am

    • hi hatzaetos1924


      a] how were you informed of this by MaxiArse/ATOS Killers? 1) by phone? did you record? 2) by mail?
      b] did they by chance give you a very very early time? [a ploy used is to force people to appear by dragging them out and across long distances, thereby claiming that the person can manage to get to them, can get to work].
      c] do you have email contact details for MaxiArse/ATOS Killers? If so shot off a email copying both in and let them sort it out between themselves. And say you’ll only accept a reply in kind back from them

      I would head over to unemploymentmovement and check through their forums for more details on how to handle this lot.

      Good Luck


      January 4, 2017 at 9:15 am

  64. Dozens of disabled people in Stoke-on-Trent being ‘unfairly denied benefits’


    But both Potteries-based Disability Solutions and Unite Community claim they have 100 per cent records for overturning these decisions at tribunal – quote from article.

    This is why everyone who feels there decision is wrong should appeal.


    January 4, 2017 at 8:36 am

  65. Still need an answer as to why one assessment was with maximus and now atos. Two assessment centres for pip in Ipswich Fore St and Duke St. DAB at CAB told me to stop asking too many questions. Cant do that can they {or have they been got at by dwp)


    January 4, 2017 at 9:17 am

    • Hatzaetos1924

      No one here can answer that for you – only the companies concerned can do that. This sounds like one of their usual confuse and sanction ploys. Yep, just realized this is send you to one place, then say actually whichever one you turned up at that it is the wrong one.. Sanctioned and PIP failed.

      It is down to you to establish who has authority here – the only way to do that is to question them in such a way that there is no doubt that it was up to them to clear this up, hence my insisting you communicate via email.

      That is why you need things in Writing – relying on verbal you are asking for it.

      As long as you do everything you can to clear up their mistake and bat it back to them there is nothing they can do to you.


      January 4, 2017 at 8:35 pm

      • Thanks Gaza. It appears that the original assessment is carried out in duke street Ipswich by maximus who are all doctors. Any secondary assessment is carried out by autos synergy in fore street Ipswich by atos . I have been informed these are all so called health care workers. BTW I went to find building. The buildings cctv covers the road from both junctions. My appt is Wednesday. I will update here.


        January 5, 2017 at 8:43 am

      • While the same place causing the same problems would indeed be problematic for government, we cant forget irrespective of health assessor, there all making that same mistake (deliberate i suspect) that we are seeing overturned by judges. That mistake is wrongly assessing claimants so if pressure is kept on, will lead us to the root cause be it assessor firms, government or both.

        This aside you can walk into any day center or ER and still be treated so its calling the kettle black to say it cant work in reverse.


        January 5, 2017 at 12:03 pm

  66. As many people across the UK celebrated Christmas and the new year, the bad news from the Tories kept on coming. The government sneaked out shocking statistics, reports on Tory failures, and countless policy blunders. So here are seven stories that the Conservative government would prefer you didn’t know about. Just in case you missed them over the festive period.


    news seeker

    January 4, 2017 at 10:14 am

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    January 4, 2017 at 11:39 am

  68. Bedroom tax two, here we go again. .

    SCOTLAND’s government and opposition parties have attacked Whitehall plans for fresh welfare cuts dubbed ‘Bedroom Tax Two’ with one prominent figure the proposals “must be stopped”.


    news seeker

    January 4, 2017 at 12:27 pm

    • Erm. I thought the Tories had said that there would be no new welfare cuts under Thresa May. That was all bullshit then was it?


      January 4, 2017 at 1:14 pm

      • Like many other things Paul, they shouldn’t be trusted.

        news seeker

        January 4, 2017 at 3:19 pm

      • The Tory way seems to be to impoverish a smallish section of society, one small enough to get away with. Then, later, they argue that this newly impoverished group is suffering more than some other group and that it is only fair that all people living on benefits should suffer equally and bring in measures to lower everybody to the lower level that they have decided upon. So you get the argument that the Bedroom Tax is fair because it make people in social housing face the same problems as those in private housing and now that the under 35s in social housing should be forced into out of their homes into single rooms because that’s what happens to people in private housing. The Conservatives implement cruel policies and use a spurious “fairness” argument to justify lowering people to the lowest level possible – which they have set themselves!



        January 5, 2017 at 9:42 am

      • Theresa May is to snub the BBC, breaking with convention to give her first interview of the year to a rival broadcaster.

        The snub comes after a spate of complains by Tory MPs that the BBC is being insufficiently supportive of Brexit and being critical of the Government.


        news seeker

        January 5, 2017 at 10:07 am

      • bbc not supporting britexit

        i like it. i like the britexit campaign pleading with eu businesses to tell their govs not to be hard in negoatiations. i like it that the eu has stuck two fingers up at witch may and said i’m off from this train wreck, you’re not listening… i like that herr idiot dunko S&^% has said its dead simple…

        what could possibly go wrong or is going wrong, i wonder?


        January 5, 2017 at 12:41 pm

      • Apart from consumer spending, the UKs GDP is held up largely by whats termed as the housing bubble. As property values rise, mortgages rise so properties turned into to rented properties rents rise. The consequence of this is in conjunction with low wage temp work, Housing benefit has risen not just per claimant but cumulatively overall.

        While government want and need the housing bubble for the smoke screen of deceiving the public that all is great financially, they cant afford the fallout in renting costs. Further to this landlords have in droves withdrawn from renting to benefit claimants working or not. With rising homelessness and rents, increased foreign workers, this has meant while they can show a picture one side, its burning a hole in there pocket on the other side. You’ve all seen how government hasn’t in any meaningful way stepped in to stem both the price of buying a home and or the cost of renting as its revenue for them while insuring members of the public take on a portion of the national/commercial debt so the evidence is there.


        Well, first they trick landlords into turning family based multiple room properties there struggling to fill into shared accommodation on the premise there make more money which will go some way to softening there currently held arrears debts. Once and if landlords switch to this type of property government will then demand they should demand less rent to an amount equal to renting to a single family. If successful they will then change the 35 age group to cover all single people regardless of age or sex. I wouldn’t be surprised as they already do this in temp accommodation that this will include families of a certain size.

        In short what government get back in tax revenue from the landlord is the saving there hoping to make from the initial outlay of housing benefit. So if they can clamp the amount of rent on shared properties, they would get a two tier saving of sorts that would appear less impactive on the landlords in tax terms but ultimately would impact there profits.


        January 6, 2017 at 11:32 am

  69. The UK’s top bosses will have made more money by lunchtime on Wednesday than the typical UK worker will earn all year, according to an analysis that exposes the gulf between executives and the rest of the workforce.


    news seeker

    January 4, 2017 at 12:29 pm

  70. The secretly homeless social worker who used welfare services she offered others.

    As social support worker Theresa Yemisi Williams served the most vulnerable people in her community, she was keeping what she felt was a shameful secret. In the day, the 54-year-old worked to help the homeless. Unbeknownst to her colleagues and those she was helping, Williams also had nowhere to go. Every night after work she would retire to her car rather than her safe, warm home she had raised her children in.

    Having lost her three bedroom home in Tilbury, Essex in 2011, due to just £5,000 of debt, Williams would use the shower and bathroom intended for those in sheltered housing, and would covertly eat breakfast, lunch and dinner at the facility in Ilford, east London.

    “No one at work knew, I kept it quiet because I was ashamed, and I didn’t tell my friends,” recalls Theresa. “I had a good job.”


    news seeker

    January 5, 2017 at 9:58 am

    • News seeker

      Did you read all the comments below that article you linked to. I say this as even though an article highlights something, how people perceive it however is always reflected in there comments.

      From “oh she came from abroad”,”she mismanaged” right to “shes not even fully qualified” is staggering. The independent audience are of the ilk it could never happen to them. This get a good education, get a good job attitude is something else as there blind to how many already come out of university, still only to get jobs working part time in a coffee shop while struggling to pay bills. This audience will be the first to bitch when it gets announced most people getting funded for education dont earn enough to reach the payment ceiling (when you have to start repaying your education loan) meaning thousands of these debts aren’t going to get paid back ever. A one year NVQ course costs from £3’500 a year while university is around £11’000 to £13’000 a year and rising.
      Further more and this is where you learn any education anyone got was wasted on them (including the independent audience), is when they discover the more qualifications that exist per trade, the more it decreases the rate of pay for that trade.


      January 5, 2017 at 11:08 am

      • Doug most of the time I don’t bother reading any comments on any articles because of the views coming out of many of those who comment on them. as you know too well!

        news seeker

        January 5, 2017 at 2:34 pm

      • Each to there own news seeker but i find the comments more interesting and telling often that the article there referring to as what the public think is a good indicator to how well the government have deceived them.


        January 6, 2017 at 11:33 am

  71. Automation and cross databasing causing unbearable chaos.

    One your all be familiar with is concentrix who completely stuffed up thousands upon thousands of tax credit claimants by cross databasing unreliable and poorly kept records.


    Now in Australia tens of thousands have received incorrect demands for money they do not owe from the welfare department. Already the ombudsman has found automated miscalculation in its recent investigation into why this is going so badly wrong.

    We live in a time where computers manage millions of lives with the smallest input from humans and this is leading to mass errors once small in size when handled purely by humans. Governments like ours are simply telling us its a teething problem but the truth is these problems are escalating more and more with every new day. UC has been beset by problems day one so when unleashed on the public could instantly threaten the lives of 22 million benefit recipients simultaneously.

    If 2008 wasn’t evidence enough, surely by now the public realize when those at the top stuff up, we spread below ultimately pay the price while they just keep getting richer and more powerful as a result of it.

    Ive already said a file in a filing cabinet in an office is far safer than a computer filing system connected to the internet. Well now im saying the pen is mightier than the PC as small mistakes are less damaging than huge ones and far easier to sort out in a short space of time.



    January 5, 2017 at 11:57 am

  72. Thanks Doug. I expect that at sometime in the future, the current administration (s) will ALLEGEDLY change the appeals system. I expect at sometime to read that Tribunals And Reviews Commission has been set up to look at appeals. Run by businessmen and ”others” to review appeals. If Judges are overturning, expect the DWP to declare ”war” on the current appeals procedures


    January 5, 2017 at 12:16 pm

    • They already started that and was reported not so long ago on this very website where DWP sought to hire court officers in the hope of dissuading judges from overturning such DWP decisions. Further more again highlighted on this very website, government placed certain DWP senior figures into the health and safety department.

      As Ive said be it welfare, NHS or other public departments, this government has no intention to relent as there cuts, deliberate correct inaction, ignoring strikers and protests, deliberate misinterpreting, lies and dodgy use of stats, overiding public votes like in fracking, creating a housing bubble to name but one GDP trick, creating a credit/debt culture are the only thing that holds up there manifesto.

      Take this away and the Tories have not only achieved no more than the previous new labour government did but have also borrowed more than they ever did.


      January 5, 2017 at 12:32 pm

      • I will post once I find out after reassessment NEXT wednesday 11/1


        January 5, 2017 at 12:39 pm

      • hatzaetos1924

        just a tip – take someone with you if you can and demand that the assessment be recorded and state that you’ll be recording regardless.

        they have no legal standing to delay or stop you. everything is supposed to be above board isn’t it?

        Good luck


        January 5, 2017 at 12:45 pm

    • And appeals will be on line in the future. who will you be talking to?

      news seeker

      January 5, 2017 at 2:57 pm

      • I expect a ”disambiguation of any (prospective) online appeals form to be going direct to a DM who in this area are based in Bury St Edmunds. I think the MOJ (ALLEGEDLY) as the forefront of any appeals system days are numbered. How ever I dont think anything will happen till after BREXIT. My reasoning is that European Human Rights Law is still valid (!) up till the day we are supposed to leave the EU.


        January 5, 2017 at 3:07 pm

      • Hatzaetos1924

        i suspect you’re right about HR Act, what is causing Witch may great angst now is the following; Clear threat by Scotland [this is due to the ways lairds have acted in the past against the local peons – read me and you] to block any watering down of the provisions, if my memory serves me right is also applies to Wales and ireland…. Ooops. Also, if foreigners started getting stitched up post BritExit due to rights being abused you can imagine how that will go down abroad – basically the power and fascist leaning Tories thought it would be a walk in the park but its turning into a slog through a minefield with a thunder storm raging around them in pitch darkness. Clueless


        January 5, 2017 at 9:24 pm

  73. ‘Many disabled people simply give up’ – the scandal of unpaid benefit payments


    I reported on this with a link just yesterday to keep up the fight for such claimants to appeal such adverse immoral decisions

    “Last year, a mental health nurse, sent undercover to train as a personal independence payment assessor with Capita, was told during training that the company needed its assessors “to be doing as many assessments a day as you can possibly manage”. One assessor revealed he sometimes completed his assessment reports before even meeting claimants, stating he could usually “completely dismiss” what he was told by PIP claimants, and making offensive comments about an overweight claimant who was unable to carry out her own personal care. He also claimed some assessors were earning up to £20,000 a month at a time when the DWP was trying to clear an embarrassing backlog of claims. “We were flying through them because of that money,” he said.

    The welfare reform is without doubt a disincentive to claim rather than an incentive to find work.


    January 5, 2017 at 12:18 pm

  74. SHAMELESS Tony Blair to spend £10MILLION on new campaign to BLOCK Britain LEAVING EU


    When will this guy ever get lost as the whole country hates him for dragging us into a war on false pretenses along with then profiting from it. You would think labour dramatically getting wiped out by the vote for a then coalition government would be message enough but he just does not get it.

    This is his direct attack against populism and his love for one world governance plain and simple.

    When will he and elites learn we are working towards a new world, one without his kind ruining it for the rest of us.


    January 5, 2017 at 1:50 pm

    • What do you expect from Bliar doug he’s a member of the Bilderberg club, an evil NWO bastard.


      January 5, 2017 at 8:03 pm


    DWP are profiling the crap out of all claimants who hands them a mobile number whether there under suspicion of fraud or not. Behind your very backs they are approaching department after department, business after business building up immoral data on claimants in the hope of finding something they can use against you.


    Unless you have two separate phones and sims, only give DWP details to one ever and never have both switched on in the same vicinity, they will have you every time and there doing it all under the snoopers charter. Also dump any job website accounts you have that DWP know about or can be traced through the same email address.
    When making new ones always make up your details including if one is UJM. DWP cannot under law insist you use your real personal details even if your ordered to open one either under jobseekers direction or as a qualifying part of UC. Remove your surnames and company details from your CVs and replace them with just your first name and trade while working. Also announce on CV full personal details will only be given at a successful physical interview as this will not only protect you against DWP but also protect you against agencies disregarding your data protection rights by way of implied consent and registering you not to mention those fake job adverts set up purely to harvest and flog for profit your personal data.



    January 5, 2017 at 2:14 pm

    • The government is training an army of snoopers, right across British society.

      An army of spies is being trained across the British Isles. They are not ‘fifth columnists’ but the man in the pub, the woman on the bus, and even your fellow worker. A series of training modules, examined by The Canary, aims to recruit snoopers in communities and industry sectors across British society.


      news seeker

      January 5, 2017 at 2:44 pm

    • so that is why i keep getting asked for my email address as want to get in to my ujm account lol even if i gave them one it will not be the same one i used to reg my account so good luck with that one.

      not that i will give them one anyway as on jsa i do not have to provide them with one to claim it and only that i prove to them i do have one same as cv and ujm account via job seekers direction.


      January 5, 2017 at 3:05 pm

      • I had too call 03456043719 And confirm I would be attending an appointment at Ipswich jcp. I deleted the number from my called numbers list. When I turned the phone off and back on. It had reappeared in the list. I tried the same procedure three times. I can’t get the number out of my called numbers list. BTW i am with o2


        January 6, 2017 at 8:04 am

      • What’s this? Some sort of “sticky number” that you can’t delete?

        Moby Dick

        January 6, 2017 at 6:54 pm

      • What’s this you speak of? Some sort of “sticky number” that you can’t delete?

        Moby Dick

        January 6, 2017 at 6:55 pm

    • Thing is though, Doug, what is there to find about the majority of us? What actually are they looking for? People with multiple identities? Benefit claimants with undeclared bank accounts? What the heck are they actually fishing for? I don’t get it.


      January 5, 2017 at 4:24 pm

      • Paul

        Its all kinds of stuff that can allow a profile to be built up – assumptions are then built off of it as to your personal ‘hot buttons’ – think, if registered with say CV lib, computer algorithm find applies for labouring jobs as no skills or qualifications, now vulnerable to sanction for failing to apply for jobs in say retail etc – I am simplifying things but you would be surprised what big data can produce.


        January 5, 2017 at 9:31 pm

      • Wow! That is proper creepy. It used to be that they only looked into a person if they had reason to do it whereas now they do it on the off chance of tripping them up, a bit like watching somebody walking through the park and nabbing them immediately they step on a lawn with a “Keep off the grass” sign on it. It reminds me a bit of how Microsoft, Facebook and Google etc., build up profiles of people based on their personal details like age etc., and surfing habits to target advertising at them – this is why everybody should turn off their web histories and opt out off software, e.g., Windows, from tracking you as much as possible, although with Windows 10 it seems that the operating system cannot be prevented from sending data about users back to Microsoft.


        January 6, 2017 at 10:50 am

    • 2017 promises to be equally tumultuous on the technology front.

      Cybersecurity will undoubtedly be the dominant theme of 2017, as all tech innovations could be undermined by data thefts, fraud and cyber propaganda.


      news seeker

      January 6, 2017 at 9:54 am

    • What businesses and organisations? Pray do tell, doug?

      btw doug you of all people should know that when you connect a mobile phone to a cell phone tower the phone sends out a ‘base-pair’ i.e. the phone number on the SIM card and the IMEI number, both have to be valid. Even if you change SIM cards your handset can still be tracked.

      Moby Dick

      January 6, 2017 at 7:03 pm

      • IMEI number of the phone i.e unique ID number

        Moby Dick

        January 6, 2017 at 7:04 pm

      • In other words if you connect with different SIM cards “they” will know what it was the same phone that connected only with different SIM cards.

        Moby Dick

        January 6, 2017 at 7:07 pm

      • Surely if you buy a PAYG phone, register the SIM without giving your name and address, and top-up using vouchers bought in garages and shops there is no connection between you, as an individual, and the phone or any SIM used in the phone? Phones and SIMs do have identifiers – in fact have to have identifiers in order to connect to networks – but if those identifiers are not explicitly linked to you surely you will remain largely anonymous, unless the security services decide to spend a lot of time and effort tracking you down.


        January 6, 2017 at 7:47 pm


        Captain Ahab

        January 6, 2017 at 7:51 pm

      • PAYG go offers a level of protection, but the more you use the phone the less protection it offers. Say for the sake of argument, you make a phone call to the jobcentre from your PAYG threatening to “burn the fucking place down with the staff inside”. Well, the cops are going to get the number for starters. But it is not a contract phone it won’t lead them straight to your address. But they can also geo-locate it if it is fitted with GPS or determined the mast on which the call was made. Possibly the area where the suspect lives? A claimant who has (recently) had a dispute with the jobcentre? But say you had been making and receiving calls, sending texts. Been also giving the number to businesses, organisations, the jobcentre. And say you leave the phone on so they can cross-triangulate its location to within a few square metres? Not to mention the CCTV in the shop you bought it from. Not as anonymous as you think! That’s why criminals and gangsters use “burner” phones – one time use and dispose of it!

        Gangsta Rapper

        January 6, 2017 at 10:23 pm

      • “Time and effort” – that’s what it boils down to. It depends how determined they are to catch you and how much effort (and money) they want to put into it.

        Gangsta Rapper

        January 6, 2017 at 10:28 pm

      • And anyone who has ever been pulled over by the cops will know that they always ask for a “contact number” so they can added to their database.

        Gangsta Rapper

        January 6, 2017 at 10:32 pm

      • Yes moby. see my post at bottom of page


        January 9, 2017 at 9:42 am

      • What part of my post did you not understand as you seem to have mistaken believed i endorse changing sims when in fact have in other posts reminded others it simply does not work despite there insistence such a lame action would.

        Further more




        You seem very unaware of how big a business data mining and cross databasing is and how both non personal and personal data can be matched to form a profile.

        We dont just have businesses in the UK, we have firms abroad like Intelliseek, Attensity,EuroSpider to name but 3 businesses that have been around for a long time. I do it to help myself for the websites i run like the trends of all jobsites and labour market as one instance of use. I cross database government,ONS,etc yearly statistics and the list goes on and on with what i do with it so i know exactly what im talking about and how dangerous it can be in the wrong hands whose purpose may be nefarious or shall we say single minded aim less than genuine and constructive in purpose.

        I.t systems,smart devices send more than a few mere numbers and is crucial and quite indicting and its called meta data. Im not going to explain how i or anyone does it (im sure somewhere on the net some fool will out it perhaps) but i can make and prove a person as that person without trending in the DPA as its not covered under the act or that of the misuse act,etc.

        You have no idea how invasive and powerful a tool these things are and why your blissfully ignorant to whats been going on since the 90s


        January 9, 2017 at 11:48 am

      • Just as the DWP gets back to work many claimants have evidence, or at least strong suspicion to suspect that JCP (and the work programme) are requesting details of their internet activities under the ‘Snooper’s Charter’. For claimants, and just about anyone else, with the exception of MPs and others who are exempt, the internet is UNUSABLE. Wonder what Tim Berners-Lee who invented the internet would think.

        'doug's meta data

        January 9, 2017 at 12:25 pm

      • All the DWP/WP have to do is ‘raise a suspicion’ e.g.. you are ‘working on the side’, or a neigbour reports you for ‘having a flat-screen TV’, or has allegedly ‘seen you walking without your crutches’. Any ‘fraud’ report and they will be rifling through your internet activity… 😉 Of course 99.99% of fraud reports are unfounded but knows what else they will land on their fishing expedition.. 😉

        Snooper's Charter

        January 9, 2017 at 12:58 pm

      • They were doing it under the original RIPA long before the snoopers charter hit the scene. From central to local government, they were all abusing the law. Current laws, not just the snooper charter have just made it easier for them to do this and not face public outcry when there hand is caught in the cookie jar.

        They as i outlined, dont need you to be reported for anything, they dont even need a suspicion as it will be the outsourced businesses who will flag a person based on a requested set of definitions. Now when i say person, it will be hundreds,thousands at a time as i said in other posts a while back, NO CARES WHO YOU ARE AS AN INDIVIDUAL, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LITTLE SINGLE YOU. Its INDISCRIMINATE mining and analyzing that may or may not supply useful data. No bodies interested in spending money on picking on a handful of people.

        To indict someone now with regards online data you dont need to prove personal data was involved,especially as you gave it over legally via consent when you gave your mobile phone number in the first place and besides under DPA you forfeit that right as the data subject if you are under suspicion of a crime anyway not that factors in the point im making now. A phone sends meta data whether its being used or not. As long as its switched on, its transmitting. If say DWP ask the IP provider Does this phone (so there not stating phone number) match this meta data (that’s not personal data remember). The IP provider can say yes or no without either party needing to legally consider DPA. They get you after the fact by which time you have now forfeited your rights under law. You cant claim entrapment/singling out as the data was mined INDISCRIMINATELY.


        Data mining/cross databasing is done first on hundreds/thousands of people perfectly legal. The data is then used by lets say in this case DWP to state something broke the conditional rules so acts as burden of proof which then actions exemption under the DPA to cement it as a particular person that then triggers burden of proof again and the person is charged be it through court or simply actioning a sanction.


        January 9, 2017 at 1:36 pm

      • Overhead a ‘working links’ ‘consultant’ make a sneering remark to one of their ‘customers’ about them “spending all day on the internet”, as if the ‘consultant’ KNEW something! ‘They’ probably know a lot more about you than you think 😉

        Working Links = SCUM!

        January 9, 2017 at 1:41 pm

      • And this a good few years ago too. Way before the ‘Snooper’s Charter’.

        Working Links = SCUM!

        January 9, 2017 at 1:42 pm

      • Indeed, doug. The DWP’s internet activity data-mining will be ‘outsourced’ to the likes of Concentrix or Experian. The data will be ‘matched’ against specific criteria. Websites visited, services connected to, times, etc. and it will throw up ‘matches’ for the DWP ‘investigators’ to go on. Pretty much the way all the other DWP/HMRC data-mining takes place at present. The DWP/HMRC (two heads of the same beast) call their system MIDAS – Matching Intelligence and Data Analyst System.


        January 9, 2017 at 1:51 pm

      • I get online using free wi-fi at my local library, university and elsewhere using my own device. If the powers that be wanted to monitor me they’d have a job – they could do it by checking library attendance and looking at video tapes of those in the library and such like, but why would they bother? Plus, I can hardly believe that any of you really believe your jobseeking activities matter enough to cross reference what you may or may not be doing online. The Snooper’s Charter has no provision in it t allow the DWP, or anyone else, to do anything like that and the paranoia exhibited on blogs like this is hugely exaggerated, The DWP can already see how many times you log onto Universal Jobmatch, when, and for how long; they can check your logins even if you don’t give them permission to scrutinise you activity history and whatnot.

        You people need to calm down.

        None of us are anywhere near enough important enough to be monitored and scrutinised as you fear.


        January 9, 2017 at 2:35 pm

      • Don’t be a dumbass Poontang unless your a troll that is trying to confuse people to this site.




        If which i dont believe you are clever enough to understand law then this will cement it in your brain so you wont come here bothering people with your utter crap when i clearly said yes your tactics have no effect at preventing finding a person, that its not about a single person (just two points i made you have completely and deliberately ignored in your attempt to poison minds with your nonfactual references full of holes. Also data mining non personal data does not require any act/regulation. The act i now give is about setting guidelines for government and departments and not private businesses or even a single non business person.


        or in straight PDF



        January 9, 2017 at 4:13 pm

      • Part 1/2

        Don’t be a dumbass Poontang unless your a troll that is trying to confuse people to this site.

        DWP like all other public departments are allowed access without a warrant


        You deliberately sought to ignore what i said about its not about one person and is not singularly about a persons UJM job search. You further more ignored how your attempts to not be discovered dont work not that, that matters as who cares where you been when all these people want is where online you have visited. I can only conclude but cannot be certain that you are making a deliberate attempt to confuse people without offering up any facts whats so ever


        January 9, 2017 at 4:23 pm

      • PART 2/2

        Here is a link to the actual act itself which for the record is in place as regards the use of it by government and there respective departments. I say this as data mining of non personal data is not against the law for private businesses or a single non business person which government currently employee to data mine and cross data base all sorts of stuff. If you knew what you were talking about you would know this but clearly you dont



        January 9, 2017 at 4:29 pm

      • Data mining isn’t about surveillance of the individual, Douggie baby, but an interdisciplinary collection of methods, statistical and mathematical, that can be used to analyse and discover underlying structures and patterns in large data sets. You don’t seem to know your arsehole from a rabbit hole when it comes to IT, sport. Data mining isn’t applied specifically to individuals to compile profiles about those individuals singly but more to populations of individuals to reveal underlying behaviours generally, e.g., purchasing patterns and conduct in markets etc. It’s what Google and Microsoft do when you surf the web to enable them to pitch advertisements about products to users more accurately.

        Your command of the English language is so poor I may be missing something in your comments.

        You should stop rushing in where angels fear to tread.

        Get over yourself you daft old bugger.


        January 9, 2017 at 5:07 pm

      • Yet again poontang your ignoring the fact i clearly stated its not about an individual and for a matter of record i data mine myself for my websites and its programs i build myself so i know whats what and what they can and cannot do. Data mining is used for all sorts of things, not just purchasing patterns and conduct in markets which you would know if you bothered to research it properly. Its all about the algorithms you set so one could for instance collect mass data on sun and moon activity. Data mining by itself isn’t just it and requires analytic’s again done by software. I suggest you do your homework instead of look for a few webpages to fit your narrative as its sorely lacking.

        Further more you dont seem to be mentioning anything about your earlier comment i quote, “The Snooper’s Charter has no provision in it t allow the DWP”. As is clear DWP can use the act without warrant and like i said, data mining of non personal data by a private company or myself is perfectly legal and we are not subject to the act, that is the sole reserve to comply of the government and its departments.

        Further more you’ve just resorted to exactly what i have mentioned on many occasion on this very website let alone my websites on how to spot a troll through there consistent behavior pattern, like word trolling for instance to but name the three flaws you made that outed you.

        Ive been here a long time while you have been here 2 seconds. I will still be here long after you have gone as you are hardly the first to try this second rate behavior to pollute the minds of others and certainly wont be the last. I always tell people never to trust what you read and that includes what i write so rather than go back and forth meaninglessly, lets leave it to the audience to decide whats true or not unless of course your suggesting there not competent enough to.


        January 9, 2017 at 6:27 pm

      • It is more data MATCHING that the DWP do. The take data SETS i.e. bank accounts , private pensions, the land registry, wills, flat-screen TVs and run them against benefit claimants to find a MATCH. Then its over to ‘Compliance’ and the ‘Fraud and Error Service’. Since DWP now has officially access to claimants internet activity they are free to go on fishing expeditions for data matches. e.g. just load up a list of all known bank urls login.dougsbank.com and take the ones at the top of the list, like they do, to follow up. Call it what you will, data-mining, data-matching, origami, spoon-bending, witchcraft, black-magic…

        Mine Games

        January 9, 2017 at 7:45 pm

      • If you’ve got nothing to hide, you’ve got nothing to fear…… 😉

        Andrew Coates

        January 9, 2017 at 8:31 pm

      • Or as John McAfee of anti-virus fame said: “We have all got something to hide. It is just a case of what and from whom.”


        January 10, 2017 at 8:20 am

      • After nearly seven years, massive effort, and billions spent on it the government hasn’t even managed to roll out Universal Credit to more than 5% of potential recipients (400,000 out of 8 million) and all that has to do is work out entitlements on a monthly basis. This wildfire of paranoia about the Snooper’s Charter enabling the DWP to catch people falling down on their jobsearch and what not is crazy shit. Are any of you really stupid enough to believe that the DWP has the resources to monitor every claimants internet activity, add up the time they spend on jobsites and other sites on a twenty-four hour basis, and make a judgement in real-time whether to sanction them or not? When they can’t even get Universal Credit to work properly with only one out of four payments currently being made automatically by their systems without human intervention? Fuck me! If you really are that dumb and that credulous you deserve to spend your time shitting yourself about Big Brother watching you just like the poor shit-for-brains sods shat themselves about mythological demons, devils and witches in the Middle Ages.

        Wake up and smell the coffee.

        You remind me of children frightening themselves by pulling faces at themselves in a mirror.


        January 10, 2017 at 10:12 am

      • @Poontang What you are saying doesn’t make sense! How can you wake up and smell the coffee? What a preposterous thing to say! Surely you would smell the coffee and then wake up. And no, it is not a chicken and egg situation!

        Kipper Yang

        January 10, 2017 at 10:23 am


        I will be posting this only once. Beware signing on pens in jobcentres. Signing on pens are being used to transfer GPS tracking devices to claimants. This works like a microscopic tattoo imprint. It is invisible to the human eye. To avoid being data-mined and tracked by the Jobcentre bring your own signing on pen. Because of security considerations and dew to data-mining operations at the DWP this is the first and only time you will hear this.

        doud's old nan

        January 10, 2017 at 10:32 am

      • Taxman/DWP unleashes its ‘snooper computer’: what information does it’s have on you?

        What HMRC/DWP (two heads of the same beast) can find out about you

        Visa and Mastercard transactions: Anonymised information on all payments

        Land Registry records: To determine properties purchased, and stamp duty paid

        DVLA: Details of cars purchased and owned by individuals

        UK and overseas bank accounts: From this year it receives information from banks in more than 60 countries.

        Internal tax documents: Systems show council tax paid, relevant VAT registration, previous tax investigations, last year’s tax return (or absence of one)

        Earnings: From any employer, including those you have worked for casually, or on an ad-hoc basis. This includes any company benefits received. It can also access child benefit and maintenance payments through the child support agency

        Online marketplaces: Websites such as eBay and Gumtree can be accessed to weed out regular traders

        Social media: The Connect system can also look at public social media account information, including from Twitter, Facebook and Instagram

        Web browsing and email records: Under the ‘Snoopers Charter’ HMRC will be able to access individual’s digital information


        Paranoid Android

        January 10, 2017 at 11:40 am

      • Taxman/DWP unleashes its ‘snooper computer’: what information does it’s have on you?

        What HMRC/DWP (two heads of the same beast) can find out about you

        Visa and Mastercard transactions: Anonymised information on all payments

        Land Registry records: To determine properties purchased, and stamp duty paid

        DVLA: Details of cars purchased and owned by individuals

        UK and overseas bank accounts: From this year it receives information from banks in more than 60 countries.

        Internal tax documents: Systems show council tax paid, relevant VAT registration, previous tax investigations, last year’s tax return (or absence of one)

        Earnings: From any employer, including those you have worked for casually, or on an ad-hoc basis. This includes any company benefits received. It can also access child benefit and maintenance payments through the child support agency

        Online marketplaces: Websites such as eBay and Gumtree can be accessed to weed out regular traders

        Social media: The Connect system can also look at public social media account information, including from Twitter, Facebook and Instagram

        Web browsing and email records: Under the ‘Snoopers Charter’ HMRC/DWP will be able to access individual’s digital information


        Paranoid Android

        January 10, 2017 at 11:41 am

      • “HM Revenue & Customs has spent years and £100m or more on a super-computer designed to identify those who may have paid too little tax. And now – with the deadline for filing 2015-16 tax returns just weeks away – the system is being fully deployed for the first time.

        Instead of relying solely on information provided by taxpayers via their returns, HMRC’s powerful “Connect” system now draws on information from myriad government and corporate sources to create a profile of each taxpayer’s total income. Where this varies from the information provided by the taxpayer, the account is flagged and could be subject to further investigation.

        For the first time, HMRC is also using these powers to warn individuals to check that they have not underpaid.
        “We all leave a massive electronic footprint of where we are, when we are away, what we do and what we spend”George Bull, RSM

        Last month it sent letters to 10,000 individuals who had submitted their 2014-15 tax return without a complete declaration of savings interest received.

        HMRC said it had used information gathered from banks, peer-to-peer lenders such as Zopa and other financial institutions and then checked it against individuals’ tax returns. It sent letters to those with discrepancies.

        A spokesman said: “We have written to customers who appear to have under-declared untaxed interest.”
        Screen shot provided by Airbnb from their website shows a typical search for listings of rooms to rent
        Home-sharing website Airbnb is used by many to rent out rooms or their whole property, and earn additional income Credit: AP

        The Connect system’s data-hoarding does not stop at the income people have received from work and investment.

        “Connect broadly deals with information spontaneously available in government departments or as part of the digital footprint that people leave when they use the internet,” said George Bull, senior tax partner at RSM, the auditing and consulting firm.

        “We all leave a massive electronic footprint of where we are, when we are away, what we do and what we spend.”

        The Connect system crunches data from Airbnb, the rental platform, for instance, or eBay.

        A spokesman from Airbnb said: “Airbnb hosts want to pay their fair share of tax and we want to help. We remind hosts to check and follow tax rules, send email reminders during tax season and have downloadable transaction histories for hosts. We also include helpful information on our responsible hosting page.”

        It can also access Land Registry records to see houses purchased and ensure the correct tax has been paid. From there, further sources enable it to determine if properties are being rented out and whether that income has been declared.

        It can also determine if someone is likely to be able to afford such properties, or whether they are suspected of having used previously undeclared income or savings.

        HMRC gains anonymised information on all Visa and Mastercard transactions, enabling it to identify areas of likely underpayments which it can then target further, seeking details of individuals’ transactions where necessary.
        What HMRC can find out about you

        As of September last year, HMRC can now get information from banks and financial organisations in British overseas territories, such as the Channel Islands, while from this year it can gather this information from 60 more countries.

        “This is the tipping of the scales,” said Richard Morley of accountant BDO. “Five years ago those making minor tax errors would feel fairly safe. But HMRC now has more information and more access to information.”

        HMRC will also be one of the government bodies to gain access to information under new laws known commonly as the “snoopers’ charter”. The legislation means telecom providers store customers’ web browsing and email records for at least a year; it can then be accessed by the Government.”

        Rent/own property, own a car, have an ebay account, bank accounts, how much you spend on your plastic cards, purchasing something ‘affordable’, where you are, when you are away, what you do, what you spend, your internet activities, the HMRC/DWP will know all about it 😉

        Doug and the Data Miners

        January 10, 2017 at 12:19 pm

      • purchasing something ‘UNaffordable’ 😉

        Doug and the Data Miners

        January 10, 2017 at 12:20 pm

      • The state has always monitored cash flow of individuals in order to catch criminals. If somebody with a modest income buys a big house, or a big car, or spends money like water he/she will get flagged up because the money might have come from crime, e.g., drug dealing, theft, embezzlement, robbery. Such a person will then be scrutinized to determine where the wealth came from and whether it was legitimate (inheritance) or not. The point is that noteworthy atypical behaviour financially by individuals has been monitored to pick out individuals worthy of investigation: The Tories ramped this up from 2010 onwards to catch out benefit claimants spending large sums of unexplained money on luxuries like expensive satellite subscriptions etc.

        This is NOT the same as monitoring people so closely that their work searches are totted and examined.

        I talk about the Snooper’s Charter, work search, and claimant commitment and you lot start talking about being caught out buying cars and flat screen televisions – Can you even get a tv now that isn’t a flat screen? How many of you on benefits will be banking thousands of pounds, buying BMWs, going on expensive foreign holidays, purchasing property, acquiring works or art or expensive antiques, investing in stocks and shares, moving from rented accommodation into owner occupied private housing… blah, blah, blah… that would flag you up to any of the various systems as doing something worthy of investigation?

        To be honest half of you seem bonkers and the other half moronic.

        A little knowledge is a dangerous thing and some of you are the living proof of it.

        And the English some of you use makes me wince. How can anybody have reached their majority and not know how to use the words like “there”, “their” and “they’re” or “to”, “too” and “two” correctly baffles me. The painful spelling and grammatical howlers in certain comments encourages me to discount them without bothering to read them. It’s impossible to take anything seriously when it’s been written by people obviously incapable of achieving a passing grade in secondary school level GCSE English Language.

        Enjoy your paranoia, suckers.



        January 10, 2017 at 12:56 pm

      • HMRC’s new powerful computer software called “Connect” came with an initial price tag of £45 million. In its first year, it reportedly delivered an additional £1.4 billion of tax revenue.

        Connect is a massive database, which has more data stored on it than the British Library. The huge range of data is built up from government departments such as Land Registry, Companies House and DVLA, as well as information from publicly accessible websites. It has information such as bank and credit card account details, overseas property and other data from tax authorities in other countries. Using a mathematical technique known as social network analysis, it detects links and identifies anomalies on a tax return.

        For example, HMRC/DWP can easily identify individuals with undisclosed properties abroad. Similarly, Connect can show all the bank accounts in a taxpayer’s name.

        Connect can be used to find out which cars are registered to an individual, to see if a low income taxpayer is driving an expensive car, perhaps an indication of undeclared takings.

        It is believed that ebay accounts can now be matched to taxpayers using Connect, so HMRC/DWP have information to decide whether there is actually a trade being conducted, that should be taxed.


        January 10, 2017 at 1:01 pm

      • Forgetting the fact of what your avatar tag means poontang your still trying to weave the same tired troll trick but now on any who disagree with you. This will not win the confidence of the audience i assure you.

        You bang on about peoples use of words/syntax yet the very fact you have observed that means you understand what the intended meaning is suppose to be so for you its neither here nor there other than to attempt to use as a weapon in the hope of discrediting someone so the audience will pay them no mind.
        There,their,they’re all sound the same regardless of whether or not used correctly so your point is to say the least petty and superficial. Its not like anyone’s writing a book, a law here where being concise would be relevant. If however it is your stance to disregard improper use of grammar then you might want to stop reading many a mainstream media article or quite frankly a humongous amount of data on the net as the fast majority im afraid just dont share your unnecessary passion for using words correctly in inconsequential situations. With the advent of predictive text and its consistency to also get things wrong i would have thought you would have realized that by now along with generations creating and using slang words that once meant something entirely different.

        Strangely you yourself in one of your post said “The Snooper’s Charter has no provision in it t allow the DWP,”. Now although not a misuse of a word, t is not to BUT did i or anyone mention it until this very moment. No we didn’t because we know what your saying even though o is missing just as you knew what was meant regardless of the there,their or they’re except unlike you we are not petty, not trolling to pollute peoples minds and then turning around with cheap shot word trolling all because a person or persons did not share your point of view, did not accept it as fact.

        So your comment,

        “It’s impossible to take anything seriously when it’s been written by people obviously incapable of achieving a passing grade in secondary school level GCSE English Language”.

        Enjoy your paranoia, suckers.

        Falls on deaf ears,especially considering for a lot of people GCSEs hadn’t been introduced yet as they had O levels,AS levels and CSEs dependent on school or if further back in secondary school days (so not grammar) it was about providing skilled and not so skilled trade training, as well as homemaking skills for girls who were expected to get married and bare children for the workforce. You see back then it was about class so if you were lucky enough to be born into a middle class family you would have almost certainly gone to grammar where as by far and large if it was a working class family you would have gone to a secondary school. The working class weren’t afforded the luxury of the tools and time to properly prepare children for the required level needed to enter grammar and even when some did, they were often bullied back out for being seen as less than worthy coming from a working class background. A trait at the time even grammar school teachers and heads joined in on. The quality of education you refer to didn’t come into existence till the late 80s if you were unlucky enough not to be able to get to grammar school and not get bullied out.

        Back in the day up till the late 80s, kids from a working class background generally after leaving school went straight into work, there was no off to college or university, employers didn’t ask for bits of meaningless paper we call qualifications. It was can you do the job, start tomorrow and when you did, you started at the bottom and had to work your way up. An employer back then would have laughed at a person waving a qualification, would of said something like, “am i suppose to wipe my bottom with that, get away with you”.

        So if you weren’t born in the late 70s to early 80s dependent on where you were in Great Britain, a good standard of education was never on the cards for many a reason.


        January 10, 2017 at 4:13 pm

      • Yup, doug, interesting choice of avatar since in Nordic mythology Poontang is the Land of the Blessed Dead.


        January 10, 2017 at 4:43 pm

  76. Government names new chief to lead crackdown on worker exploitation.

    The government has moved to crack down on unscrupulous employers by appointing a new boss to lead the collection of government bodies tasked with stamping out exploitation in the workplace.

    Prof Sir David Metcalf, a founding member of the Low Pay Commission and former chairman of the Migration Advisory Committee, was named on Thursday as the first director of Labour Market Enforcement


    news seeker

    January 5, 2017 at 3:12 pm

  77. Ken Loach on News Night 4th Jan 2017

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    January 5, 2017 at 4:35 pm

    • Here you go Stepping Razor Sound Plate System. Might as well make that topic complete as the UK really does need to face reality.


      January 6, 2017 at 12:21 pm

      • In reference to Stepping Razor Sound Plate System first video did you notice how Matthew Oakley completely avoided direct evidence questions and kept up the mantra of this is what we found and what we found is what the public want”. He like a senior civil servant who works at producing stats has no such direct evidence nationally and the notion benefit claimants and charities support sanctions is flat out absurd and precisely why he mentioned principle behind sanctions as who could argue against say a person deliberately not looking for work. In short Oakley deliberately posed a question to claimants and charities they knew would only get one answer and an answer at that they wanted rather than a true reflection.

        You may have been approached in a jobcentre recently and asked to fill out a questionnaire on how you fill DWP is working. Its vague as say if you had a really good advisor, you would naturally report a good experience which is then craftily weaved into an overall experience as in all staff of DWP. The question remains however is i have this suspicion based on what i observed is that only certain benefit claimants are being asked to fill out these questionnaires. Its in essence a percentage trick like the sign of the percentage of benefit claimants being happy with the service sign you may have posted at your local office. Mine says 97% BUT and DWP wont answer, is how many people were actually asked that and how portion is that of all the claimants they have on there books.

        Getting back to Matthew Oakley the evidence i have from his micro expressions and deliberate sentence constructs is he is 100% deliberately misleading the audience while strongly trying not to incriminate himself in a statement he may say that could come back to hunt him down the road. The absolute give away is in how he answered the question regarding do DWP staff have sanction quotas.

        He starts out by saying let me turn that around the other way, wouldn’t you be worried if you didn’t know how many people we were sanctioning. THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE QUESTION AND IS A PURE AVOIDANCE TACTIC. Next when actually pinned to the question says that’s not what he found in his experience. THIS MEANS EVEN IF HE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH, HES NOT SAYING THAT IS NOT THE CASE. This is his SECOND ATTEMPT TO AVOID THE QUESTION and we ALL KNOW NO SANE WORK COACH BECAUSE THERE CONTRACTS ARE USED TO THREATEN THEM WOULD EVER DECLARE SUCH A THING ANYWAY. Also he VERBALLY STUMBLED AND STUTTERED AT THAT POINT along with DISPLAYING A DISBELIEVE COUPLED WITH LOOKING LEFT THEN USING A HAND GESTURE FIRSTLY PALM DOWN THEN PALM UP SIGNIFYING HE WANTS TO CONVEY authority, even dominance or defiance then followed by UP TOWARDS CHEST THEN SWIFTY DOWN WITH PALM UP signalling he wants the audience to TRUST HIM, BELIEVE HIM BUT WITHOUT SURE CONVICTION. His speech pattern was one of distancing when coupled with his attempts to try to imagine he was talking only to himself rather than on TV.

        In conclusion there is overwhelming evidence to suggest he knows more than he is willing to let on but rather than summit to lying has instead opted to selectively choose his words while attempting to conceal his actions that would imply he has had some form of coaching. Sadly as medically the body is inherently lazy and he lacks experience in exposure fell off the horse as so to speak during the sanction quota question not that he wasn’t using technique throughout the entire interview like near the end displaying sharp aggression through a hand on hand slap while on his legs in response to Ken Loach accusing him of defending draconian sanctions as he felt it was an attack on both his character and credentials. Matthew Oakley felt threatened and basically came out swing evident not only by his turning to ken Loach through the majority of that speech but also through continual hand gestures of striking and cutting.


        January 6, 2017 at 1:49 pm

  78. .

    January 5, 2017 at 4:47 pm

  79. Father fired for attending child’s birth but inundated with job offers.

    Sara Persechino,

    “I don’t think they should have to be worrying about financial issues right now; it should be a joyful time for them,” she said. “I don’t think anyone should ever have to choose between their family and their job.”

    But take a look around.


    news seeker

    January 6, 2017 at 10:10 am

  80. doug

    January 6, 2017 at 1:52 pm

    • Benefit Cap – Shoddiest of inept journalism from The Guardian

      Today Dawn Foster in the Guardian takes false information from a local newspaper that in turn comes from obvious false information from a local council and reports it as fact concerning the overall benefit cap.


      news seeker

      January 6, 2017 at 2:28 pm

      • Joe Halewood does Management Consulting, namely to social landlords with the aim of improving performance which means money for the social landlords and in turn his consultancy . He babbles on about helping tenant groups but we know they dont fill his pockets so would be lessons in paying rent on time now housing is paid to the tenant with the addition of a false ear of how this is all a travesty which it would be for him if claimants keep going into arrears and thus breaking the relationship towards tenant and social landlord who is already questioning whether to stay in the game. Im imagining as im having a time locating his presence on business registers and such that the majority of his social landlords are of the small fry mark so indeed welfare reform would be a big threat to him. I actually have a sneaking suspicion as he also brands himself as a housing consultant aswell that he property manages meaning he profits from acting as a rent collector and landlord for said social landlords but naturally i cannot say that for sure but usually that’s a service a housing consultancy can and do provide.

        As for his sycophant single minded attack on the guardian rather portioning the blame equally among the local council and the two news papers seems to stem from the same factory as the think tanks who are pro reform. Dawn foster constantly attacks those that are profiting from this reform which in joe halewoods case would be under threat as a result of the reform but none the less puts him in the same category. To be honest hes making a mountain out of a mull hill with regards to dawn foster as most people dont like the guardian and foster herself actually has more haters than likers and is herself another person jumping on the bandwagon and making a living out of talking about the travesty that is welfare reform.

        His comments actually work against him as you would think if hes all for the tenants he would want the public to support getting shot of welfare reform which was the reason why i posted the one you replied to with his link. so one would think he wouldn’t want to draw attention to the fact stats cant be trusted but oh no he did. When you actually dig into a lot of his posts he has been anti anything trying to stop the likes of bedroom tax,caps and the likes without offering no alternative whats so ever. He also does not seem to interested in the under 35 having to share accommodation (oh i wonder why), so im rather suspect towards him and his aims.

        Anyway he can rant all he wants as i first covered the story in regards to my piece on automation errors and cross databasing and only added the second post that you replied to like i said for the purpose of highlighting people seem to be becoming against the cap if the click survey is to be believed so im not really bothered what he says,especially considering his follower base across multiple platforms is near non existent so as yet like dawn fosters poultry fanbase is hardly a threat to the movement of either abolishing welfare reform all together or restructuring it so it actually works and treats people as being in an unfortunate position rather than the scapegoat for corporations and politicians screwing us all over.

        For the record though hes no more clued up on how stats work than the two reporters are but that’s because they like so many never read the accompanying document that explains how the stat was derived and how its used including source data regardless of whether or not its nefariously abused there after or even in the making.


        January 8, 2017 at 1:51 am

  81. Experts divided on six-hour workday experiment
    (When cost outweighs greater staff productivity and wellbeing).


    We have this problem in the UK Health and safety at work act and its called “REASONABLY PRACTICABLE” which means cost Vs safety and risk.

    “they took 10 per cent less sick leave, they were more productive and patient care improved during the process”.


    January 6, 2017 at 2:09 pm

  82. news seeker

    January 6, 2017 at 2:36 pm

  83. MOBY DICK. Yes I tried re setting my phone. Taking it from phone menu to sim menu and back again. I deleted the number first but it re appeared in my calls log. The letter I received said I had to call this number from a MOBILE to confirm I would be attending. The number is 0345 604 3719. It reappears with a different time of call showing but NO MINUTES call wise


    January 9, 2017 at 9:38 am

    • Hatzaetos1924

      And they can wipe that number and call records like it never existed to as your phone lacks the software to analysis and section it. The police for instance have been doing it for years so it only stands to reason other government departments have access to it.

      Your find sadly on most mobiles that your cloud linked day one and as is seen in say windows 10 has ties you cant break without corrupting the system and making it fail to work, DRM is a prime example.

      I dont know why you moved it from phone memory to sim as that’s counter productive if your looking to remove it. You also have to realize each record is different so would have to be removed form each one. Now not knowing your mobile and setup but there is dependent on handset a sim/cloud link that unless switched off wont make or allow it to disappear or protect phone memory. this has to like the phone be all setup correctly day one before putting anything into it. Im afraid i cant advise you as theirs many mobiles so your have to refer to your user manual to best understand your phone.

      The thing is Hatzaetos1924, you DONT have to own or have a mobile or landline phone to qualify for benefits so you dont have to supply it as you dont have to supply a home address or even email address inorder to be eligible for benefits. DWP deliberately trick you into it through the online registering system that deliberately prevents your process for benefits if you can enter a home address, a phone number and from what i hear but cannot confirm, email address. Point of contact has nothing to do with the principle of welfare benefits.


      January 9, 2017 at 12:12 pm

  84. Do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink;nor about your body, what you will put on.Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing? Look at the birds of the air,for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they?

    — Matthew 6:25-26 KJV

    The Holy Bible

    January 10, 2017 at 10:16 am

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