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Pension Age to Rise – Yet Again. “Basically a Huge Tax Rise”.

Image result for MInister of state for pensions Richard Harrington MP

Harrington Smiles at Prospect of Pension Age Rise.

Some years ago I heard that people I knew were being transferred from JSA to Pension Credit.

They were just over 60 years old.

Some years ago I heard that these people had received the same rate of benefit as pensioners – a lot more than JSA.

Some years ago I heard that the retirement age was due to rise.

That all this credit stuff had been got rid of.

A few years later I heard that there were moves afoot to raise the pension age – apparently the country couldn’t afford to keep on paying pensions unless young people worked until they were seventy.

Young people – people who if they went to University have to spend a lifetime paying off their loan and fee debt to the state’s usurers, and who are in hock, if they are lucky, to mortgage lenders half their lives – have to drudge until this age.

Young people, who, under the magic age of 25 are expected to live on less benefit than everybody else, and get a special rate of minium pay:

Over 25 £7.20
21 to 24 £6.95
18 to 20 £5.55
Under 18 £4.00
Apprentice* £3.40

Now they will have to wait longer to be pensioners.

And there is this (thanks to people signaling it in the comments):

‘Basically a huge tax increase’: readers on proposed pension age rise

Former pensions minister Steve Webb says the government is considering raising pension age sooner than previously planned

Tens of millions of workers under the age of 55 could be affected by changes to pension age sooner than previously planned, according to a former minister.

Steve Webb, pensions minister in the coalition government between 2010-15, says documents produced by the Department of Work and Pensions suggest the government is preparing a “more aggressive” timetable on state pension age changes.

Pension age may be about to rise again, says former minister (Guardian)

Steve Webb says government considering faster timetable for higher state pension age of 70, affecting millions of workers

The government may be preparing to increase the official state pension age to 70 for millions of people currently in their 20s, a former minister has claimed.

Steve Webb said documents produced by the Department for Work and Pensions suggested a “more aggressive” timetable on state pension age (SPA) increases than previously planned was being prepared.

This could affect tens of millions of workers aged under 55, and bring a pension age of 70 into the official timetable for the first time for people currently aged between 22 and 30, he added. The current official SPA for people in their 20s is 68, though under the existing schedule it could be expected to rise to 69.

The SPA is the earliest age someone can start receiving their state pension, and is due to rise to 66 between 2018 and 2020, to 67 between 2026 and 2028, and then to 68 between 2044 and 2046.

Written by Andrew Coates

November 28, 2016 at 4:51 pm

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  1. Reblogged this on michaelsnaith.


    November 28, 2016 at 4:54 pm

  2. Slight flaw in that Tory plan. With today’s youth and today’s unemployed vastly going into insecure temp and or low paid work, still heavily reliant on state aid means we are still not producing the revenue to cover that problem while spending what we do have.

    Ultimately for the Tories to deliver on your 70th birthday, you all would have to pay more either through taxes and or insurance meaning your bringing home less, meaning living less, meaning ultimate your chances of living this much greater age, far far less.


    November 28, 2016 at 6:23 pm

    • Plus it’s okay to work past your mid sixties if you’re a professional person, like a member of parliament, doctor or judge, but not so great if you’re a manual worker, like a labourer or a miner. Where, actually, are all the jobs for elderly people going to come from? And even if people were able to work into their old age if they occupy jobs for longer and longer how will younger people be able to find decent work and progress in life? Most unskilled jobs are manual jobs which aren’t best suited to an aging workforce.


      November 29, 2016 at 9:50 am

    • This is why a contributory system can never work in the UK. State pensions have never been paid based on what people pay in, in a general sense; state pensions are mostly paid by revenue raised from the current working population not what has been previously paid by the retired, whom, when working, paid taxes to fund the pensions of the then retired.


      November 29, 2016 at 4:33 pm

    • If you retire at 60 you are expected to live for another 18 YEARS. If you retire at 65 you are expected to live for another 18 MONTHS!

      Pension Pot

      November 29, 2016 at 6:34 pm

      • Eh? That sounds like nonsense to me. Can you provide a link or reference to substantiate this claim? According to Wikipedia the average lifespan in the UK is 81.2 for ladies and 79.4 for men! And the average lifespan has been steadily increasing for decades, even under the Tories.


        November 30, 2016 at 9:58 am

      • Just been on the news. Woman recently celebrated 117 Birthday. Saw it on BBC Breakfast Today. Not In UK Though


        November 30, 2016 at 10:32 am

      • But in a lot of countries people fake their ages in order to (fraudulently) obtain a pension. Nobody know how old people really are. That is why you see lots of sprightly 100-odd year olds 😉 When you think about it all that stands between us and a pension is our ‘age’ 😉


        November 30, 2016 at 11:02 am

      • @Ros you are talking about the average (mean) though. When you should be talking about the mode (the age at which most people die i.e. where most of the sample population lie. Mode not mean. The mean average i.e. average wage can be very misleading since the value can be skewed by ‘outliers’ etc.

        Carol Vorderman

        November 30, 2016 at 11:08 am

      • This was mentioned in a TV programme about Mediterranean diet, why it was so beneficial and why so many people who followed it lived to a ripe old age. It was obvious though that the people featured weren’t as old as they were making themselves out to be and as the programme said it was a pension scam involving fake birth certificates and whatnot. They had been claiming a pension for decades 😀 It would be an idea to try on with the DWP 😀

        Olive Oil

        November 30, 2016 at 11:21 am

    • In other words, doug, you won’t make it to 70, the final ‘push’ will KILL you!

      Pension Pot

      November 29, 2016 at 6:36 pm

      • Hey,pension pot, im not the choir you need to preach to as for many that’s spot on what you say.

        If anyone wants to know what the liable age will be that they will die, look at the data for your area. Yes no one can truly predict but none the less your find its quite eerie how a pattern does form when you look.

        In my area its 68 to 72 so i either wont make it or wont enjoy the fruits of my labour for very long.


        November 29, 2016 at 9:03 pm

  3. superted

    November 28, 2016 at 6:33 pm

    • The idea was the heir posts it as credit is dew where credit is dew which in this case is rightfully SUPERTED.

      Had superted not had the opportunity to do this then i would have posted it for him with as i have done in the past with others, paying full honors to him even though i if i had to, posted it later on.

      Its important people see this as its the second time so far recently, areas of the UK have voiced how ineffectual UC has been in its current form. You, I, take your pick of the hundreds upon hundreds who had and have voiced the follies of this format have been for all its worth in connection with our government screaming into space. This time its by figures that cant be so easily swept aside.


      November 28, 2016 at 7:57 pm

  4. this is the course that i have been put on and its 4 days over 2 weeks and as you can see its just,natural/neuro linguistic programming and is total rubbish and proven yet are getting £1000 for each person on it from the esf sfa funds,they can cut ppls benefits yet plenty of cash for this rubbish and private company’s. i walk in the dump and asked to sign in so put my first and last initials in the book on the front desk and went to the 2nd floor where 2 staff members were handing out contracts to be signed so they can get there fee all the other stock me and 3 others did not say a word and just filled it in,i refused and showed them a foi request that states i do not need to sign providers paper work and i can not be sanctioned for this and the smug smiles soon went away, says ok then and throws the contract to one side and says lets get you logged in to the locked down and monitored computer and do something on there,ok this will be fun lol. logs in and asks me to ok the terms and conditions of using this and i refuse and log out as i know what they want and thats my email address ect and there not getting it. slams there hand on the table next to me and hands me that in the pick and was told to leave and come back tomorrow when the course is meant to start, i went to the front desk to ask for my bus fair and i was refused and told to get it back from the dwp which i know from over the years they do not do as provider has to pay this from there fee but still refused so over this time it will cost me 20 quid in bus fair and i will get it back just to prove a point that i can cost them there fee and pay for my travel as well and get no sanction the ass holes;)


    November 28, 2016 at 8:37 pm

    • Good on your superted as these cashcows have just got to go as there not really interested in us at all as you know only to well.

      Hey, look up what happens if you add aluminum to the heated method when making soap superted as i wouldn’t want you to get hurt as who knows what they might tell you to add if you know what i mean.

      Damn im winking and nudging, i must have ticks,lol.


      November 28, 2016 at 11:10 pm

      • day 2 turned up on time and went in to the training room and the person running it demanded i sign there contract err NO NEVER i do not have to under law and was escorted to reception were i demanded they give me a letter stating why they are failing to participate because i will not sign there paper work and i will not leave until i get it or call the police. was told its not going to happen so i sat there for over an hour and look what i got. i came they saw and i kicked there ass. remember i can not be sanctioned for not signing a 3rd party contract and the letter states this and puts the blame straght back to the jcp adviser pmsl what a fkn joke

        the letter states as i will not sign i am not insured to be in the building and was asked to leave under health and safety reasons and puts any action on this back on to my work coach hahahahahah


        November 29, 2016 at 11:36 am

  5. Beware prison may be used to slip mandated medical tests/treatments through the backdoor!

    One of governments reform plans in prisons is to introduce mandated drug/alcohol testing for new arrivals.
    Current law withstanding they cannot do this legally so i suspect by way of hate spin for public support will draft a regulation to cover it.

    So you understand if any viewers dont already know, this is exactly the trick they played on the working public to get in most of the welfare reforms that later turned around and as said on this site and others, ended up effecting the working.

    If they got this through i suspect like America, a person would have to submit to a drug and alcohol test prior to making a claim (remember they tried that one before but failed as no law to allow them). This would then be applied to the working with regards tax credits and housing as would i suspect a mandation that workers claiming or not having to submit to occupational health to get sick pay. The possibilities are endless so this cannot be allowed to succeed as i cant tell you enough how much of a slippery road this is to go down.

    This is one of those BE WARNED moments people be you working or not.


    November 28, 2016 at 11:26 pm

    • Alcohol and drugs tests for jobseekers are becoming increasingly common. They will soon be standard practice just like criminal record checks and credit checks are now – for ANY job!

      How long before employers wants to see jobseekers internet search history. Or will the jobcentre just send an employer a ‘data dump’. We are indeed on a slippery slope, doug; all these technological toys that we embrace will eventually enslave us.

      Ann Droid

      November 29, 2016 at 12:43 am

      • These must be consensual surely? You can refuse a breathalyser test if the police request one after stopping you although they can then arrest you and get you tested at a police station I believe. I think employers can ask you to go for a medical which you can also refuse, although that might prevent you from getting the job!


        November 29, 2016 at 9:54 am

      • A failure to provide a roadside breath specimen is a less serious offence because a roadside specimen is not necessary in order for the police to arrest or charge a suspect. Therefore it does not carry obligatory disqualification.

        Failure to provide an evidential specimen of breath, blood or urine at a police station or a hospital carries a similar penalty to drink driving ie. a disqualification of at least 12 months. In practice, the starting point adopted by the Courts when sentencing for this offence is an 18 month disqualification as the offence is regarded as a deterrent to discourage people from deliberately failing to provide specimens.

        Legal Expert

        November 29, 2016 at 1:06 pm

    • What’s it with the jobcentre and their constant: “How do you access the internet?” crap. Are they trying to tie claimants down to a specific IAD (Internet Access Device) in order to peruse their internet browsing history? According to a poster on another thread the jobcentre in Ipswich has accessed Suffolk Libraries for claimants browsing history. Creepy as fuck! This is enough to make the East German Stasi blush. Your own privates thoughts entering the public – what the fuck is going on?

      Gerd Wiesler

      November 29, 2016 at 1:40 am

      • They are just trying to trip you up and sanction you. If you’ve agreed to look at Universal Jobmatch and other job board a certain number of times a week you need internet access to do it. So if you can’t tell them how you’re connecting to the internet to fulfil this obligation they can sanction you based on their suspicion that you aren’t fulfilling every obligation on you signed Claimant Commitment.

        Basically they want to trip you up and penalise you as ordered by the DWP.


        November 29, 2016 at 9:58 am

      • You can refuse to let them have access to our UJM account – it’s our right and you don’t need (it’s best not to) give any other reason that.

        You do have to show that you have done a job search.

        I print out my applications and employers/job agencies’ responses from the library – something not everybody can do – that is, if there’s no library in your area…

        Obviously it helps if you can speak about what you’ve done, such as looked at various sites., local papers, asked people, and so on.

        Note: UJM sometimes has jobs which you can directly apply for – the vast majority are for CV Library Reed/Monster etc jobs who, to be honest, are mostly pretty good about both automatic replies and follow ups.

        The only way of registering that – none of these employers have ever deigned to acknowledge a job I’ve applied for directly – is to cut and paste the notice of the application as it comes up (a line or two) on UJM.

        Andrew Coates

        November 29, 2016 at 10:49 am

      • Where on earth are claimants getting this idea that they have to explain themselves with regards the internet to DWP. The requirement is to search 35 hours and to supply evidence upon signing on.
        DWP has absolutely no legal power or right to assert you must tell them what they want and i would be more than happy to remind them or if they want, address this issue in a court of law.

        How you go about jobsearching which is actually termed the form of media you use and this includes how you present your evidence is entirely up to you and DWP have no legal power to assert otherwise unless you consent. A consent you can withdraw at any point.

        You are the data subject whom the data protection acts to protect so it is you who controls the flow of your said data. DWP like businesses are to say the least VAGUE when presenting privacy and processing policies BUT are duty bound under law if you ask to supply you with precision how and why they intend to process your personal and or sensitive data.

        It is improper use to assert you can withhold things if someone does not consent when those things aren’t relative to a particular process as under law CONSENT IS ONLY LEGAL if it is NOT gained through FORCE,THREAT OR DECEPTION.
        As the DPA stipulates, the amount of data requested must be proportional to its purpose so for example,

        You dont need to know a persons email address to establish whether or not they are who they say they are for the purpose of eligibility to a benefit. An official birth certificate or passport can do that so in this instance if DWP did ask and said this is why, it would be a breach of the data protection act.

        DWP are getting away with it as besides people not knowing what DPA is, are lumping all the data they want at the early stage with offering any evidence to precisely what they want it for and whether they can legally do so.


        The various welfare acts DO NOT supersede such acts as the DATA PROTECTION ACT.

        The GOVERNMENT are not above the law and so must obey like you do.


        November 29, 2016 at 12:43 pm

      • Now since 2010 the data protection act has been altered legally so i cannot give generic one stop answer to peoples cases so i ask you this otherwise i cannot help.

        YOU MUST ASK DWP (advisor,manager,etc) what specific part of an ACT/REGULATION that they refer to that gives them said power to do so. GET THIS IN WRITING (so they cant back out of it later on).

        Bring this to me with your complaint and i will look into it and present quite clearly using law etc to explain how this is or is not legal for DWP to do. Not all that DWP do is illegal and the topic is vast and varied. With this said im well aware how government let alone DWP are deceptively going around the houses gathering various forms of data in what they will claim is random and unconnected that IF linked would under law be seen as personal and or sensitive data. By doing this they can if they so choose build a case against you which dependent on how they handle also trigger another set of laws they have breached like entrapment as one example.

        At the end of the day its up to claimants and the public to decide to reach out BUT please take note that if i am overwhelmed by large numbers and thus cannot do a regular job, i would have to begin charging for the service as i if unemployed wouldn’t be able to claim benefits and such could not feed and home myself.

        What these charges would be and how it all would work i have not decided as i cannot currently calculate the number of people and how i can tie cases together to reduce costs. It could be as easy as writing a book or as complicated as producing material for legal proceedings, i seriously cannot answer this at this stage. Like my websites i would like to continue to NOT CHARGE, NOT HAVE TO BOMBARD readers and subscribers with adverts,seek sponsors or ask for donations BUT i will not lie to you that this is becoming extremely hard to avoid for various reasons.

        TO BE HONEST if one applies themselves, i believe but do not know for sure, that they could find out and handle there own case which is another option open to all. Perhaps by banding together as a form of co-op it may become even easier for people to solve there own issues while maybe from time to time, throw the odd singular question at people in the know.


        November 29, 2016 at 1:10 pm

  6. Incidentally, as we were talking about shops recently, this lot are seriously to be wary about:

    Andrew Coates

    November 29, 2016 at 10:57 am

    • Again on this site and others people were warned about being coerced into debt and it should have come no more obvious than the hardship fund and the removal of educational concessions for low earners.

      Ive as have others explained how debt goes hand in hand with money and how this fits with the 2008 crash as well as not to long ago how this energy supply swap option idea is nothing but a con and those SMEs that will eventually go out of business or end up largely owned by the super big ones. In short return to whence it came.

      What can you do Andrew if people refuse to listen, to act ?


      November 29, 2016 at 1:20 pm

      • It’s in one ear and straight out the other while trying to inform or help some people. it’s frustrating isn’t it Doug, Andrew.

        news seeker

        November 29, 2016 at 3:37 pm

    • True Doug and Newsy.

      But I walk place one of BrightHouse places every day and it never stops annoying me!

      Andrew Coates

      November 29, 2016 at 4:44 pm

      • Andrew,

        Take a child’s video game. Now you pay to download it. You cant then put it on a disk, its instantly installed. If the company that owns it goes bust, tough tit,your out of pocket. Look at the car option plans which practically every car owner has gone for and if you say so i will list even more.

        We as public nolonger own a product but merely pay for its use while taking full responsibility if something untoward happens like if i hack your router and do something criminal, its put on you when they cant catch me. The whole shift from product to service was all done while the planet was sleep walking.


        November 29, 2016 at 4:58 pm

      • The game is, you target the unknowing until you reach a certain point of custom, then wham, you change the game just like for instance what both facebook and youtube did not so long ago. I mention those two as even when it appears to be free, they still pull the same stunt.

        You either go along with it or dont get to use it, its as simple as that and proves companies/businesses have more rights than the consumer does as they wear you down with the Indian call centre trick if you know what that is. Now think DWP, oh my gosh, isn’t that exactly identical, yes ?


        November 29, 2016 at 5:03 pm

      • At least around these part Bright House used to be called General George or summat. And if you missed just one payment they sent a gang of thugs round to beat the shit out of you if you were lucky or break your legs in your were unlucky.


        November 29, 2016 at 6:31 pm

      • Might have been called Crazy George.


        November 29, 2016 at 6:48 pm


    As the law stands, the only time such a test can be carried out is when a person is in charge (ie operating) heavy machinery like a car, a train, a lathe as three examples. As we all know if we say use a car as an example, the police dont simply turn up to a house because you own a car and demand a test, they only stop and test a person while there operating said car (heavy machinery) whether they have just had an accident or NOT.

    The problem is public departments and companies are abusing this by attempting to stretch the meaning of “BEING IN CHARGE” to now “SIMPLY HAVING ACCESS TO OR WILL DO”.

    If government are allowed to redefine this further like testing people on entry whether it be prison or entitlement to benefits, its discrimination,persecution and an invasion of privacy on a whole new level. Currently law states its only illegal to be in possession of banned drugs on your exterior persons (ie pocket) and NOT once ingested and being absorbed by the body. The law unless heavy machinery is involved DOES NOT EXTEND to your insides.

    Ive been trying to fight its use in the workplace since the early 2000’s but because it was very far from common, i couldn’t get the public support i needed to push government on it. Well as i feared it would be abused, it appears that is exactly is what is transpiring.

    This gets worse and why i cant stress this enough to the public is how long is a piece of string as today its drugs and alcohol testing, tomorrow its forcing people to having medical treatment against there free will which currently requires EXPRESS CONSENT (NOT in an innocuous action). Now you know this is irrefutably TRUE as government did make public and try to get the public to support anyone claiming benefits to have to take a drug and alcohol test prior to receiving benefits and based upon the results would require the individual to have to take treatment or receive NO BENEFITS. They took the piss still further later on by trying it on OBESE PEOPLE.

    I CAUTION ALL THE PUBLIC TO TAKE NOTE as the only way these laws can come about is if its applied to EVERYONE so as to circumnavigate discrimination and persecution and we only have to look at how the welfare reform is NOW effecting the working to know this is NO CONSPIRACY.


    November 29, 2016 at 11:56 am


      Government as they have in the past since 2010 consistently said, “IT NOT ABOUT YOU, ITS A ABOUT THEM” and as you know that’s not how it ever transpired now you all enjoy having your data snooped on and handed like in the case of medical data to the likes of GOOGLE.
      They’ve reversed processes like being able to take your organs in the event of your death UNLESS you EXPRESS YOU DON’T WANT THIS RATHER THAN GAIN EXPRESS CONSENT PRIOR.

      Even without any fancy qualifications in psychology, its easy to see government is putting THINGS ABOVE HUMANS and you all really need to put your foot down and SAY NO YOU WONT while having whats already been put in place removed or reversed so it all returns back to the way it was.

      Like i said this is a very very very slippery road the entire UK public are sleep walking down.


      November 29, 2016 at 12:12 pm

  8. The vultures are circling


    As you can see, failing government polices, a lack of global commerce has made businesses and corporations turn up the heat to drain your pockets like there’s no tomorrow.

    Its one thing to work to be able to afford to live in a world you played no part in designing, its an entirely a different thing when your in so much debt that there’s no way to pay it back to live life the way you want to.

    We cant keep just printing money,bailing banks and entire countries out and both government and the wealthy know this. The end result is what existed before gets smaller yet those who seek it dont. What this means is they have to come for what you have as effectively we are all portable varying wallets based on potential.

    The so called peers of governance,money and commerce are the only ones responsible but understand this. They didn’t fail you, they took you to exactly where they want you to be now and are far from finished.

    After paying for work expenses, rent,utilities and required insurances your have no other choice but to except wont have coffers to save but that’s alright because the insurance is the savings you once had except you wont be controlling how its used.


    November 29, 2016 at 4:50 pm

    • Rise in ‘child benefit loans’ to cover Christmas costs


      Yet more vultures and to think aren’t people told not to get into debt if they dont have the money ?
      To think everyone thought government stepping in of pay loans was because they really didnt want to see you get into debt.

      Now ive left something out i saw in the article that smacks in the face of claimants when we consider uses of foodbanks. I you see what that is ?


      November 29, 2016 at 5:35 pm

  9. superted

    November 29, 2016 at 5:20 pm

    • And we know dont we superted, requiring someones consent by law cannot be considered as a failure to participate and cannot be gained by force,threat or deception.

      I laughed at the we need this to be able to demonstrate to SFA how we are spending the funds when the truth is you and you only are the only one who can legally apply for them in the first place, meaning they cant in any shape or form say what they did when they dont have these funds to begin with.

      If you give me there company name and phone number superted, i would so like to ring them up and ask them why they lied.


      November 29, 2016 at 5:43 pm

      • Forget the company name and phone number as i have it thanks to the net.


        November 29, 2016 at 5:48 pm

      • well that is what that letters says 😉 like to see them try sanction me with that pmsl its not going to happen just shows stand ur ground and they will cave in every single time and there is nothing the jcp roach can do about it.


        November 29, 2016 at 5:53 pm

      • Ok superted

        They receive a SFA grant prior to entrances of candidates. Now unlike say walking into connexions and using there computer if you have them where you are. It still legally requires every students name (to enroll) as a course of law and scheme requirement. That is so the adult education place is not committing fraud and the taxpayers money is protected.

        This is there legal and contractual obligation, not yours so its still not a failure to participate.


        November 29, 2016 at 5:56 pm

      • what do you think that was put in front of me as soon as i walked in the place same as every singe other provider does sign the contract even said they will not get the funding less i sign it and said no i was mandated here buy the jcp i do not have to sign anything under law as you are a 3rd party company get the jcp to sign it 😉

        the tosser running the course point blank refused to look at the foi request i had on my phone so started showing it to the sheep in the room and i was slung out the room.

        at least now i have a letter and if the jcp want to try this rubbish again will point out i will not sign anything.

        tho i did even tell my adviser this but sent me anyway as not got a clue and if it had 1 less iq point id class it as a plant 😉


        November 29, 2016 at 6:05 pm

      • Superted


        Every thing you or any claimant needs regarding SFA is contained in this link. After pressing the link i placed above you will see a list. Now in each and every one of them is further links to further documents covering other areas of conditions set on these adult education providers.

        You will find in here eventually where it states THEY MUST PROVIDE EVIDENCE BY WAY OF THE LEARNERS SIGNATURE rest assured proving the very point i made.


        November 29, 2016 at 6:55 pm

      • And we know dont we superted, requiring someones consent by law cannot be considered as a failure to participate and cannot be gained by force,threat or deception.

        But we all know that Jobcentre plus and their associates can walk on water.That looks like skills conditionally huge sums of money mandating people to schemes that’s imply arn’t going to make any difference.What someone cannot do is simply ignored often one of their main barriers to work in the first place.Instead a cycle of continued year in year out attendance to what someone can learn often at a slow place they then tell people with learning difficulties/disabilities its a confidence problem.To make matters worse class times have been cut and large amounts of stressful paperwork is then expected of people placed on this exercise. Any disability is ignored and treated if it doesn’t exist leaving those feeling its their fault.

        As usual with these things there’s no effective complaints procedure.


        November 29, 2016 at 7:00 pm

      • Ken

        You mean THINK they can walk on water.

        Look Ken, i dont care what DWP think, i dont care what they do in the interim as all that matters is can they legally do such and the answer is NO often more than it is yes as i beat them again and again because i do my homework and so you understand i represent other claimants SO im not talking purely about myself.
        Im so well versed in this now not only can i tell you your chances of success with the evidence and answers you supply but i also now aid organizations like CAB and various councils offering welfare advice and assistance in such DWP breaches of protocol.
        The skills conditionaility you mention was one of them and after less than a year saw the particular i warned that it wont end well provider in that area fold and close up dew to being unable to secure funds as no one would sign such forms. I also wrecked a lot of the sub providers of the work programme in the same area to as if you think you (not you ken) can lie to me while assuming your get away with it then you better have your ducks in order.

        Now im only one person meaning i can only do so much. So i pass on through posts what and what DWP and provider can and cannot do. After that its up to the individual/s to decide in other areas of the UK whether they use it and what they are willing to sacrifice in order to gain justice and overturn a DWP decision to sanction,withdraw benefit,etc.

        It is every single claimants decision ultimately and they are just kidding themselves if they ever think a government is concerned about the public. We are there tools which they use to further there self aims and interests and public departments are the vehicles in which they achieve this. It was like this when i was a child and still is today so if one does not learn to navigate this very choppy sea, one will drown. Its as simple as that.


        November 29, 2016 at 8:06 pm

      • If you give me there company name and phone number superted, i would so like to ring them up and ask them why they lied.

        report back if you do tho will prob tell you to feck off n slam the phone down tbh i did say could i start videoing this and said no under the data protection act.pmsl

        funny that as that is what i was doing they soon run to the law to protect them self’s fkn retards.


        November 29, 2016 at 10:12 pm

      • Will do superted and they wouldn’t be the first as i highly doubt im the first to call them with a difficult question there going to find uncomfortable.

        I wont say what that is yet as you never know whose paying attention but regardless will tell you exactly how it went


        November 29, 2016 at 10:58 pm

      • lesley dale head of service
        ian cooper course tutor
        01452 583800

        he said when i first entered the room that he came up with this course 18 months ago from nlp data from 1970s and he runs it and has no idea what it costs like WTF.


        November 29, 2016 at 11:11 pm

      • Very true, doug! A lot of people still have the public in their naive, child-like state still believe that the government is benevolent, that they have our best interests at heart, for instance the reason they want to know all about us is so that they can plan ahead to make our lives better, protect us etc. But the hard truth is that the Government don’t give a flying fuck about us. The Government are there to fuck us over! It has always been the case!


        November 30, 2016 at 10:05 am

    • superted/doug

      my reading of the statement “cannot therefore consider you a learner …” can be seen as defamation as clearly you have not refused as you turned up and stated you were willing to participate.

      With the fact that they get paid they are on sticky ground – threats and menaces fraud [blackmail] on yourself via a threat of sanction anyone – that’s a criminal offense.

      The below link lays it out quite well:



      November 30, 2016 at 5:19 pm

      • yeah i know that lol they have no chance in hell in trying to get a sanction with that letter i have pmsl. they failed to participate not me. 😉


        November 30, 2016 at 5:28 pm

  10. It looks like there’s two options for not being employed a taste of the foodbank or death many will not even see a retirement.Of course were all living longer because the government says so and until someones body decides otherwise.

    The old saying we put up with it we deserve it.So much for the we’ve paid in all our lives and will continue to pay until the end.


    November 29, 2016 at 5:24 pm

  11. Universal Credit until you retire at 80. UNUM Pensions – Tory Government fingers in the pie.

    So why does it cost £70 Million on 10 migrates in a certain council !!!

    Universal Credit Kills – Jobs – Wife – Kids – Housing – Lives.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    November 29, 2016 at 5:45 pm


    £ Millions spent on the cover up of DWP bad press

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    November 29, 2016 at 5:47 pm


    Let`s bring back Workie – Every thought about your pensions – Workie stalks people to demand you get a UNUM Government Pension.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    November 29, 2016 at 5:49 pm

  14. The Investigatory Powers (IP) bill has received royal assent and been signed into law in the UK. Its authorisation comes just days after a petition to repeal the bill reached over 100,000 signatures.

    That petition could have triggered a parliamentary debate on the bill. But it seems the UK government decided to ignore that public outcry and forge ahead with the “most extreme surveillance law ever passed in a democracy” as quickly as possible.


    News Seeker

    November 30, 2016 at 12:19 pm

    • And you know another thing government decided ?

      Alternate media and alternate views should be ostracized and if you dont believe me then ask government why they froze RT news’s UK bank accounts.

      Yes that’s right people, snooping isn’t all or even enough for our what appears world governments agenda. They now seek to restrict and silence your right to the freedom of expression just because you dont agree with them or show a side of an event with evidence they dont through hand shakes and raising glasses, allow our main stream media to. When you look at cast votes its either full conservative or conservative leaning labour that pushed.

      Now it appears if you speak out against this Tory government your in league with the Russians.
      Hmmm, where have i been hearing that for the last six months ?

      So brace yourselves as just like the public’s support to abstain from an ever snooping state was quickly and blatantly disregarded, now your free speech and expression is going the same way.
      There’s no denying the public view of current conservative global politics and corporatism is changing but rather than embrace change as they would wish us to, they come out swinging full of bile and hate in the exact manner they said we would.
      Democracy should be clear cut but now on the losing end of it, they seek to demolish it so the coin says heads both sides by removing awakening alternate thinking that has lead to tipping the balance of power. Scared and unknowing the populous there afraid your going to take away all there hard earned crooked efforts of exploitation.
      That ivory tower that once protected them now seeks to entomb them now new keyholders take precedence bit by bit and thus residing them to the annuals of history and folk law. A place these past centuries they’ve never been.

      No, we dont want to bail out banks a second time, no we dont want to give large corporations autonomous powers to override any government or population, no we dont want war.

      But we will give you one if you dont heel and recognize the passage of a true democracy as less and less we sleep and more and more we walk.


      November 30, 2016 at 2:02 pm

      • Why is RT still on Freeview to boot though and in HD to boot? The German and UK Government got the Tehran-based Press TV booted off the Astra satellite although it is still broadcasting in HD on the Hotbird. What’s the deal with Freeview?

        Max Keiser

        November 30, 2016 at 2:20 pm

      • Is it something to do with those “We are not loaded with money. We are TV people. Freeview will always be free adverts that Freeview run”. Are they going to start introducing charges for FREEview? Anyway, Freeview (and Freesat) is nowt but a marketing company that provides an EPG. TV manufacturers will have had to pay to put the “Freeview” logo on their EPG!

        Max Keiser

        November 30, 2016 at 2:24 pm

  15. “While the IP bill will shore up other countries’ claims for similar legislation, it will hinder freedoms for UK citizens. Because the right to privacy encourages scrutiny, inquisitiveness, daring, and creativity. Without it, those important qualities may give way to conformity.

    This dynamic was recognised, and exploited, by 18th-century British philosopher Jeremy Bentham. He designed the panopticon, a prison that ensured inmates could be surveilled at any moment – with or without their knowledge.

    French philosopher and social theorist Michel Foucault, meanwhile, describes the effect of this in his book Discipline and Punish:

    “to induce in the inmate a state of conscious and permanent visibility that assures the automatic functioning of power… the inmate must never know whether he is being looked at at any one moment; but he must be sure that he may always be so.”


    November 30, 2016 at 12:25 pm

  16. Was talking to somebody in Ipswich Library. They are 6 weeks off retirement. They are being sent to see a workcoach/provider. If they don’t go NI sanctions kick in and upsets their pension entitlement.

    Library User

    November 30, 2016 at 12:29 pm

    • Is this the same Suffolk Libraries who are handing over claimants browsing history to the DWP?


      November 30, 2016 at 1:33 pm

    • The DWP know a lot more about you than you think…, you know they know but they don’t come outright and say… just subtle hints 😉


      November 30, 2016 at 1:35 pm

    • Connections logs also give the date/time which can be revealing in themselves 😉


      November 30, 2016 at 1:37 pm

    • There will still be a connection log even though the destination may be obfuscated, and obviously the fact that you are obfuscated your connections which is in itself revealing.


      November 30, 2016 at 1:39 pm

    • We are only one small step away from total ‘lockdown’ of the internet. This won’t happen of course because the Great British public won’t allow the Government to introduce any more oppressive legislation. There will be an outcry, over 100,000 ‘signatures’ will be collected in an on-line petition and the Government will back down.


      November 30, 2016 at 1:44 pm

  17. The Tory assassins the DWP never name their spokespersons when supporting the mass murdering sanctions system (as most of the thugs controlling the DWP are freemasons)



    November 30, 2016 at 12:47 pm

  18. With the new Investigatory Powers bill on the way, anybody on here got any views on the use of the “Tails” operating system? Tails uses “Tor” as the browser.

    Edward Snowstorm

    November 30, 2016 at 1:20 pm

    • You don’t want the DWP finding out that you have been visiting intensiveactivity.wordpress.com 😉 And they will if they can find an IAD (Internet Device), library account linked to you. You might find it ‘difficult’ to claim benefits 😉


      November 30, 2016 at 1:31 pm

      • Ah, but they won’t if you’re using Tails and Tor!

        Or will they?

        Edward Snowstorm

        November 30, 2016 at 1:46 pm

      • The legislation allows for the blocking of these ‘tools’, they could easily be blocked like China and Iran do. But coupled with the vast data harvesting which isn’t even surpassed by China and Iran that would then make the UK far, far worse that China or Iran. The UK would then have the most oppressive, surveilled internet on planet Earth!


        November 30, 2016 at 1:52 pm

      • These ‘tools’ don’t work for all applications anyway besides being clumsy and cumbersome. And it wouldn’t be advisable to send personal/sensitive data through them. So a lot of your personal/sensitive stuff, stuff that will do you damage if the Government/DWP get sight off will still be ‘in the clear’. They only offer a modicum of ‘protection’ but are not a panacea.


        November 30, 2016 at 1:59 pm

    • The new Investigatory Powers is ‘not on the way’. It has received Royal Arsent and is now LAW!


      November 30, 2016 at 1:48 pm

      • You haven’t answered the question.

        Edward Snowstorm

        November 30, 2016 at 2:03 pm

      • Unless these ‘tools’ have been ‘compromised’ they won’t be able to see that you accessed specifically intensiveactivity.wordpress but they will still see you connected a web service at a time and date. And what if wordpress start blocking these ‘tools’ like a lot of sites do either of their own accord or because the Government force them too? It is a very slippery road we are on. Trying to come with with a ‘solution’ or a way to ‘circumvent’ these oppressive measures is not a solution. The framework is already in place and they may not work tomorrow like in China and Iran and than where will you be with ‘Tails’ or whatever?

        Internet Security Expert

        November 30, 2016 at 2:13 pm

      • Tails

        Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

        Why would one be so troubled when we have open source, give the ability for to programme , to build or simply enjoy the labours of others efforts free to download. Take me, i have servers of my own, there not complex systems and infact you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between them and and a normal PC such is your lack of understanding of technology. Anybody can quite easily turn there everyday PC into one, link them, create an interverse as like you said, legislation currently does not go beyond the front door.
        Also you forget only businesses are requested to hold records, im not and data dump every 12 hours.

        Now whose laughing tails.

        Why dont you come back when you understand wave generation and formation,better still considering where technology is heading,come back when you understand field theory as your a very tiny ant in a very big garden.


        November 30, 2016 at 2:29 pm

      • lol doug, come back when you understand superheterodyne hoffman integrated tecknika entropies

        Quantum Wave

        November 30, 2016 at 4:06 pm

      • *waving*

        Quantum Wave

        November 30, 2016 at 4:07 pm

      • I’m not waving I’m drowning.

        Stevie Smith

        December 3, 2016 at 6:05 pm

    • Short version: I strongly do not recommend using any of these providers. You are, of course, free to use whatever you like. My TL;DR advice: Roll your own and use Algo or Streisand. For messaging & voice, use Signal. For increasing anonymity, use Tor Browser for desktop, and Onion Browser for mobile.

      I strongly do not recommend using any of the following providers.

      Most VPN Services are Terrible

      Short version: I strongly do not recommend using any of these providers. You are, of course, free to use whatever you like.
      My TL;DR advice: Roll your own and use Algo or Streisand. For messaging & voice, use Signal. For increased anonymity, use Tor for desktop (though recognize that doing so may actually put you at greater risk), and Onion Browser for mobile.

      This mini-rant came on the heels of an interesting twitter discussion:

      Again I strongly do not recommend using any of these providers.

      Provider / known “Secret” Key

      Astril / way2stars  
      EarthVPN / earthvpn
      GFwVPN / gfwvpn  
      GoldenFrog / thisisourkey  
      IBVPN / ibVPNsharedPSK!  
      IPVanish / ipvanish  
      NordVPN  / nordvpn
      PrivateInternetAccess (PIA) / mysafety  
      PureVPN / 12345678  
      SlickVPN / gogoVPN
      TorGuard / torguard 
      TigerVPN / tigerVPN
      UnblockVPN / xunblock4me  
      VPNReactor / VPNReactor  

      Yes, I know. Many/most of these offer OpenVPN, or special clients for IPSec. But for all of the above, they are actively placing a significant portion of their user base (particularly those with older Androids and desktops) at risk by not using per-user PSKs. If your threat model is streaming BBC or helping your cousin geo-shift Hulu, go wild and plug into the Mad Max-esque Thunderdome commons and take your chances. If you’re a dissident in Tehran or Riyadh, be extremely cautious of any of these providers.

      Lastly, a VPN Hall of Shame honorary mention goes to DoubleHop.me* on general principle for blatant sexism and utter insincerity. Their privacy/legal policy section includes LGBT slurs and literally has your-mom jokes. But even ignoring that, as of this writing, there is virtually zero technical information provided, only YouTube videos apparently intended for 10 year-old boys.

      Moral of the story: Don’t believe everything you read on, say, TorrentFreak and PCMagazine. And (crucially) think about your threat model—are you guarding against amateur WiFi snoops at Starbucks or Marriott? Reducing identity monetization profiling by ISPs (ie ad tracking)? Minimizing exposure to government surveillance? Trying to be anonymous online? If the latter, a VPN won’t help much.


      https://www.google.com/#q=goldenfrog+thisisourkey Archive: http://archive.is/qlrLK

      http://www.gfwvpn.com/?q=node/224 Archive: http://archive.is/EdpFV

      https://www.vpnreactor.com/android_l2tp_ipsec.html Archive: http://archive.is/uwJvk

      http://unblockvpn.com/support/how-to-set-up-l2tp-on-the-android.html Archive: http://archive.is/4To5Y

      http://www.ibvpn.com/billing/knowledgebase/34/Set-up-the-VPN-connection-on-Android-handsets.html Archive: http://archive.is/srptW

      https://www.astrill.com/knowledge-base/50/L2TP-IPSec-PSK—How-to-configure-L2TP-IPSec-on-Android.html Archive:http://archive.is/PZpRU

      http://billing.purevpn.com/knowledgebase.php?action=displayarticle&id=33 Archive: http://archive.is/R4JTi

      https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/pages/client-support/ Archive: http://archive.is/U1bkL

      http://torguard.net/knowledgebase.php?action=displayarticle&id=58 Archive: http://archive.is/iKJjl

      https://www.ipvanish.com/visualguides/L2TP/Android/ Archive: http://imgur.com/IQU1mdg

      http://www.earthvpn.com/android-l2tp-setup-guide/ Archive: http://archive.is/roKtf

      https://nordvpn.com/tutorials/android/l2tpipsec/ (scroll down) Archive: http://archive.is/BQumt

      https://help.tigervpn.com/support/search/solutions?term=shared+secret+tigerVPN Archive: http://archive.is/xZ136

      https://www.slickvpn.com/tutorials/ipsec-for-iphone/ and http://archive.is/h4rI9

      *DoubleHop.me: Archive:http://archive.is/G11WQ and http://archive.is/MZgWE and http://imgur.com/Zn5HSIj

      Snoopers’ Charter: Lawyers’ fight to protect legal privilege reaches the House of Lords


      news seeker

      November 30, 2016 at 2:21 pm

      • “I strongly do not recommend using any of the following providers”. Which providers? Gugle, Fakebook, Micro$haft?

        Biil G

        November 30, 2016 at 2:37 pm

    • Microsoft Windows (all versions but particularly Windows 10 which actively keylogs) sends shit loads of data harvest from users to Microsoft for analysis. Telemetry they call it; hacks can disturb but not stop it entirely. And the operating systems download and upload all sorts of shite between users and Microsoft with or without the user’s permission. They are quite open about it. In Microsoft’s privacy policy statement is a section outlining that the company can access and disclose your personal data, seemingly whenever the company wants to.

      “We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to […] protect our customers or enforce the terms governing the use of the service…”

      So if you value your privacy use an open source community maintained Linux not a commercial Windows.

      I don’t doubt that Microsoft works hand in glove with governments at all levels and have already built back doors into every later domestic versions of Windows.

      Linux is a better operating system than flaky Microsoft Windows anyway.

      Linux Mint is a good choice if you want an easy to use OS with a better GUI than Windows.


      November 30, 2016 at 3:00 pm

  19. Time to go “off-grid”

    Sent from my smartphone


    November 30, 2016 at 2:05 pm

  20. Yes, some useful comments on Tails and Tor above – they’re not 100% secure. The FBI have already traced users, and there are also “Man-in-the-middle” attacks and the monitoring of Tor exit nodes by ISPs!

    Other techniques can be used:


    Edward Snowstorm

    November 30, 2016 at 2:30 pm

    • Its funny you say that Eddy as not to long ago we had a person declare all this stuff was bulletproof.

      I tried to explain the cat and mouse of it but he wouldn’t have it,nope, would’nt have it at all.

      People, with all the best will in the world you are never safe permanently but you can still be one step ahead, ISP’s are but a bus, a website but a bus stop.

      By that i mean the driver may know your face, may remember what you wore but non the less cant tell you what you have in your pockets.



      November 30, 2016 at 2:49 pm

    • Look, folks. I doubt anybody on this blog is selling weapons or drugs on the dark web, or getting ready to launch a terrorist attack, or are paedophiles, or money launderers, or whatever – basically nobody on this blog is doing anything online that will catch the eye of the “powers that be” that will encourage them to monitor any of you. In point of fact I doubt that anybody give a hoot about any of you, so what’s with all the paranoia about being scrutinised online? What on earth do you think would make anybody in authority cast a glance in your direction? For all the difference you will make to the world at large during the course of your lives you might as well have never existed at all.

      Paranoid Much?

      November 30, 2016 at 4:47 pm

      • All this anti-terrorist and anti-serious crime stuff is fine, but is the DWP – one of many parties on the long list of those entitled to snoop on web browsing habits – essentially an anti-terrorist organisation?

        By the way, Denmark scrapped a similar system in 2014.


        November 30, 2016 at 6:07 pm

      • Online shopping is not illegal, but what if the DWP see you on ebay or Amazon? Claimants already have to explain trivial transactions to the DWP found on their bank accounts.

        Internet Connection Record – Paranoid Much

        30/11/16, 04:34:10 jobsearch.gov.u*k
        30/11/16 04:34:20 ebay.co.u*k
        30/11/16 04:34:30 amazon.co.u*k
        30/11/16 04:34:40 tinder.co*m
        30/11/16 04:35:00 forums.depression.co*m
        30/1116 04:35:10 intensiveactivity.wordpress.co*m
        30/1116 04:35:20 hornyhookup.co*m
        30/11/16 04:35:20 forums.cannabis.co*m
        30/11/16 04:35:00 login.mybank.co*m
        30/11/16 04:35:00 classwar.co*m
        30/11/16 04:40:00 porntube.com

        You would be OK with the DWP rummaging through your underwear drawer? Or have you got something to hide in there? This is the on-line equivalent of rummaging through someone’s bins or knickers drawers? If a member of the public were caught doing that they would be pulled up in front of the courts as some sort of ‘pervert’, but it is OK for the DWP?

        Paranoid Android

        November 30, 2016 at 7:44 pm

      • PS Hope you don’t mind you ICR (Internet Connection Records) being posted in public. It is not like you are doing anything illegal or have anything to hide.

        Paranoid Android

        November 30, 2016 at 7:50 pm

      • The DWP already rifle through your underwear drawer and rummage through your wardrobe if you are single woman living alone. Maybe the do the same with single men. Not that I have got anything to hide in there. They have been round here a few times accusing me of having a man living with me. I suppose it will be the same perverts trawling through our internet records to see what they can find. What a disgusting country we live in.


        November 30, 2016 at 11:36 pm

      • Don’t make me laugh. Nobody is going to get sanctioned because their browser history showed that they were on Twitter, or shopping on Amazon, or whatever. Are you people fucking crazy? You really think that the DWP will trawl through countless IP addresses from fuck knows how many devices (Smartphones, Tablets, Computers etc) used in a shit load of locations (home, Jobcentre, Library etc) and access methods (wired, Wi-Fi, 3G/4G mobile broadband blah, blah, blah) just to catch somebody slacking on their work search or whatever? Man, they can’t even look at you Universal Jobmatch activity history without your permission as the law stands. While I don’t like the Snooper’s Charter it won’t be used to catch slackers on the hop. You really can’t be daft enough to believe that Work Coaches are going to be briefed about private internet usage of clients in order to threaten and/or sanction them, surely. Are you really that far up your own arses? Small fry shit like that isn’t the government’s purpose and would soon get the powers that be into hot water if they were seen to be surveiling non-criminal citizens that closely and minutely.

        Nobody cares enough about you to give you that much individual attention.

        If you’re that worried use a free Wi-Fi hotspot or unregistered mobile broadband with tablets or laptops to get online and nobody will have a clue who you are based on your IP address, which you will be using on loan and which only temporarily is assigned to you.

        Get over yourselves for fuck’s sake!

        Paranoid Much?

        November 30, 2016 at 11:51 pm

      • The specific parts of the DWP mentioned in the Snooper’s Charter are Fraud and Error and the Child Support Group. They have access to ALL data not just data relating to an “entity” (an individual). This means that they can do ‘data matches’ for entries such as ‘ebay’ and ‘paypal’. DWP/HMRC already try and unearth ‘hidden’ ebay/paypal accounts. The Snooper’s Charter will make it easier.

        If someone reports you to the DWP for whatever reason your internet access records will be pulled up. And if you are claiming disability benefits you can rest assured that your internet connection records will be pulled up: the DWP already follow disabled people around, trawl through Facebook and other ‘social media’ to find ‘evidence’ to stop their benefits/haul them into court. The DWP also already access credit reference agencies, DVLA records, ‘data’ match’ with HMRC…. all just to catch some small fry.

        The original allegation may prove (as it is in 90%) of cases, but could lead to something unrelated being unearthed. An allegation (even by a ‘work coach’) provides an excuse for the DWP to go on a ‘fishing expedition.

        Also the data is stored for a year, so you only have to ‘slip up’ on a ‘device’ within a year to be caught in the net.

        Internet access data ‘builds a ‘picture”, it builds a ‘profile’ which can twisted and distorted and used against an individual. This is the way prosecuting barristers work in court. They build pictures: your internet connection records show you visit porn sites, oh, deary, what will a jury think. The least the ‘authorities’ know about you, the better.

        If the police were to pick any individual/organisation at random and search their premises, investigate them fully it is a certainty they would find something.

        As John McAffee of anti-virus fame said: “We have all got something to hide. It is just a question of what and from whom.

        Or as Cardinal Richelieu said: “Give me six lines written by the most honest of men and I will find something in them to hang him.”


        December 1, 2016 at 10:31 am

      • And btw nobody has to manual trawl through reams of paper anymore. We have things called computers nowadays. The can perform ‘data matches’ on records, they can ‘query’ databases.


        December 1, 2016 at 10:33 am

      • What good is ever going to come from the dole office trawling through your internet records?

        Ms Suffolk

        December 1, 2016 at 11:11 am

      • Never has so much been said so well by so many different posters here today.

        It will be interesting to see how paranoid much replies.


        December 1, 2016 at 5:29 pm

      • Well, I use mobile broadband buying and using SIM “starter kit” which come already charged with a data allowance, in an unlocked USB modem, purchased from EBay or Amazon. I either don’t register the SIMs (with Three) or register them with a false name and email (with EE) and never top them up, simply throwing the SIM away after I have exhausted them. There is nothing to connect my identity with any SIM and my browsing history is consequently rendered meaningless. The worst that can happen is my internet provider at the time can get a rough location for me by triangulating using its masts, but that won’t happen because that doesn’t come under the Snooper’s Charter remit.

        So unless the businesses I buy SIMs from keep records of every phone/SIM number they sell associates with the name and address of their purchasers, which is very unlikely, I am effectively anonymous on the web.

        It’s as easy as that.

        Done and dusted.

        If you don’t want to pay just hop onto some unsuspecting buggers unsecured Wi-Fi router or use a free Wi-Fi hotspot in a pub/cafe whatever. With mobile devices this kind of thing is a piece of piss. And not that hard from the privacy of your own home.

        As for the daft fucker suggesting that dole bludgers could get in trouble for visiting Amazon or whatever, well, you need to get out more, you really really do.

        The Phantom of the Opera Browser

        December 3, 2016 at 6:28 pm

      • @ Sputnik

        Can you give a single instance of anybody getting sanctioned because of their internet activity who hadn’t done something sanctionable?

        The Phantom of the Opera Browser

        December 3, 2016 at 6:32 pm

      • The Phantom of the Opera Browser

        Unless you plan to dot on and off the internet every minute im afraid that’s not enough as it does not matter if you gave a name or not.

        Triangulating something within six feet has been around for while, it just its never been applied to the internet yet. Don’t compare those crap online triangulation software with whats available not for public consumption. There’s mobile mast, forced tower use, specific traffic ID blocking and the name i forget which they use regular in cases of p2p but can be applied to any specific traffic ID that slows your speed to a crawl.

        Calculating the distance and position of something un-shielded isnt as complicated as it sounds and is actually math (trigonometry and algebraic formulae ) and a little electrical and electronic understanding. Like i said unless you intend to spend just a minute online, shut down,move outside of the point/s of measurement (to know that you would have to know the location of the measuring points which you wont), your still get got and we call that footprint. You see your imagining your inside a triangle when infact your one of its points.

        Just ask any math and or electronic lecturer.

        As for DWP using it, dont think of them but more so intergovernmental co operation which is exactly what there doing now among cross databasing,etc. For the moment all this isnt going to happen overnight but as soon as government have assembled there cyber security force and tech (there currently putting together), tracking, profiling,etc will be as easy as like flicking a light switch on.

        To stay ahead you have to think of something new besides already tired ideas and even then it only lasts as long as they figure it out. As i said in another post nearly above,

        ISP’s are but a bus, a website but a bus stop.

        By that i mean the driver may know your face, may remember what you wore but non the less cant tell you what you have in your pockets.



        December 3, 2016 at 8:14 pm

      • @ Doug

        Precise geolocation is possible. Ambulances and even the AA use it to find out where people are who get into trouble. However logging the geolocation of mobile internet users isn’t part of the Snooper’s Charter as far as I know, Doug. Or is it? Considering how many mobile phone users there are I would be surprised if they logged the location of users every time they made a phone call. If that were really part of the Communications Data Bill that would be VERY creepy because the movements of every mobile internet user could be tracked, to an extent, based on phone calls they make which would be VERY Big Brother.

        Two Fish

        December 4, 2016 at 10:17 am

      • Two fish

        Most Politicians currently dont understand tweeting so as you can imagine they understand nothing about energy,electronics and information technology. They are to put no finer point to it, “little kids in a super large candy store”. They have all these tech companies abusing this fact to get a nut as so to speak.

        Its a fact governments have a bad track record in this discipline and you only have to look at how had china tries and fails to suppress people to see that.

        My advice to people is slow your roll as its not a case of can, its a case of when as its all cat and mouse and file sharing is a prime example of that.


        December 4, 2016 at 1:48 pm

      • According to this: The government wants to give HMRC, the police, and the intelligence agencies access to geolocation data, and information about who is communicating with whom on services like Facebook and Twitter.

        “The Communications Data Bill, laid before parliament on Thursday, will see content service providers being forced “to retain and store communications records” beyond those they retain for their own business reasons, the Home Office said in a statement on Thursday.

        The data includes the time and duration of a communication, the number or email address of the originator and recipient, and the location of the device from which the communication was made. The bill will also cover geolocation data, which can pinpoint exactly where individuals were when they made their communications.”


        Three Fish

        December 4, 2016 at 2:02 pm

      • I know whats being said, But what if you dont use facebook or twitter as i dont. This means government would have to track every site as if you know that, then if the public dont already, most all public will.
        The darknet will profit from this i assure you as even though government like to paint it as some spooky place, its actually not so and i know that as i live in it and no not for the purposes of drugs or anything illegal unless of course talking to hackers,crackers and underground programmers is by association and if so i dont care as i will speak to whoever i want and government can make of it what they will.

        Im not a criminal or a terrorist and i dont knowingly associate with them unless of course i know they are one and have a question to ask but i dont so that’s that.

        Anyway nice chat but i have to move on as i have multiple sites to contend with


        December 4, 2016 at 2:16 pm

    • Wow. What a shock. The FBI will get its bonus hacking powers after all

      Rule 41 makes life easier for Feds, cops to target Tor, VPN users, and malware victims

      Three last-ditch legislative efforts to block the changes to Rule 41 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure have failed, and from tomorrow the Feds will find hacking your PC a lot less of a hassle.

      The rule change was introduced by the Supreme Court in April. It will allow the FBI and police to apply for a warrant to a nearby US judge to hack any suspect who’s using Tor, a VPN, or some other anonymizing software to hide their whereabouts, in order to find the target’s true location.


      news seeker

      December 2, 2016 at 2:10 pm

  21. No evidence welfare sanctions work, says National Audit Office, really

    Sanctions on welfare payments which have allegedly caused thousands of claimants to fall into hardship and depression are being handed out without evidence that they actually work, Whitehall’s official spending watchdog has found.

    The Department for Work and Pensions is also failing to monitor thousands of people whose benefits are being cut or withheld while many are being pushed outside the benefits system, said the National Audit Office.


    news seeker

    November 30, 2016 at 2:44 pm

    • Dr David Webster: The NAO report on Benefit Sanctions.

      An important report on Benefit Sanctions has been published today by the National Audit Office.

      Key Points

      • The report is generally critical. It uses a ‘traffic light’ scoring system. On sanctions, DWP scores: red 2, red/amber 1, amber 3, amber/green 3, green 0. (Figure 1, p.11, Figure 8 p.21 and Figure 20, p.38)

      • A recurring theme is the lack of evidence to support the sanctions regime, and the DWP’s unwillingness to make use of its own data to evaluate it or to collaborate with outside researchers. The report is particularly critical of the DWP’s reliance on ‘international evidence suggesting that broadly some form of sanction has an effect’. (para.23) It repeats the call for a wide review of sanctions made repeatedly by the House of Commons Work and Pensions Committee. (para.24)


      news seeker

      November 30, 2016 at 3:19 pm

  22. Report accuses BT of supplying backdoors for GCHQ and NSA

    Researchers accuse BT of placing backdoors into firmware, linking their modems to network in the U.K. with IPs assigned to the U.S. Department of Defense

    the researcher’s say that one of the largest telecom providers in the world, BT Group (formerly British Telecom), ships hardware to the home and office with firmware that enables this secretive surveillance on a massive scale.

    In a paper titled The Internet Dark Age the researchers say that BT is shipping hardware with backdoors that allow secret government access in order to make network compromise easier. “BT are directly responsible for covertly embedding secret spy equipment in millions of homes and businesses within the U.K.,” the paper states.



    November 30, 2016 at 2:55 pm

  23. Snoopers’ Charter: Only amendment politicians have submitted to controversial bill is to stop MPs being spied on. what’s new.


    news seeker

    November 30, 2016 at 3:13 pm

  24. Tor User/Content Discovery

    Users of the Tor network can easily be discovered by LAN packet fingerprinting, but also by those who download the Tor client. The attacker can stain packets leaving your network and before entering the Tor network, making traffic analysis much easier than was previously known.

    All Tor traffic can be redirected to a dedicated private Tor network controlled by the attacker, in this way the attacker controls ALL Tor nodes and so can see everything you do from end-to-end.

    This is not something the Tor project can fix, it can only be fixed by the user following our methods.
    Tor hidden services should drop all traffic from un-trusted Tor nodes, this way clients running in the simulated Tor network will fail to connect to their destination.

    Bruce Schenier

    November 30, 2016 at 3:26 pm

  25. […] Pension Age to Rise – Yet Again. “Basically a Huge Tax Rise” […]

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