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I realise even the mice in my street are concerned about Trump but this goes on…

And on.

Benefit sanctions on North Wales job seekers ‘hitting most vulnerable’

Study reveals 17,596 of the 36,905 sanctions imposed were later overturned, with AM saying it raises questions about the accuracy of decisions

More than 17,000 people in North and Mid Wales had their benefits stopped forcing some to turn to food banks and loan sharks – only for the decision to be later overturned, it has been revealed.

A study by Plaid Cymru revealed 36,905 people were subjected to sanctions on their job seekers allowance (JSA) between 2012-2015 – but 17,596 of those sanctions were overturned on appeal or cancelled due to errors.

Plaid Cymru regional AM Llyr Gruffydd said the system meant often “vulnerable people” were being “left high and dry”.

Mr Gruffydd believes this questions the validity of the penalties, which are applied if claimants fail to complete agreed tasks with Job Centre staff.

These can range from not filling out enough job applications to failing to attend a prescribed number of interviews.

He said: “This relates to the Job Seekers’ Allowance as the Department of Work and Pensions has not released similar data on other benefits. However it paints a worrying picture of how sanctions – i.e. stopping benefits – can be applied without good cause and sometimes against people who are vulnerable and unable to represent themselves.

“These are the people who are then left high and dry, needing food banks, emergency loans or even loan sharks to tide them over. If more than half the cases end up without sanctions being applied it raises questions about the accuracy of the original decision.”

Between October 2012 and December 2015, 36,905 sanctions were applied in North and Mid Wales. Of those, 17,377 (47.1%) were cases where sanctions were actually enforced.

In a further 10,370 cases (28.1%) a decision was found in favour of the claimant and claims were reinstated. In 1,932 cases (5.2%) decisions were reserved because the claimant didn’t have a current claim and in 7,226 cases (19.5%) sanctions were cancelled due to errors, lack of information or the claimant stopped claiming before the sanction.

A recent Parliamentary select committee review of benefit sanctions heard from academics and employers.

One, Dr David Webster of the University of Glasgow, told MPs the DWP is sanctioning people “willy nilly”.

He added: “They say you have to apply for 30 jobs in a fortnight and you only apply for 29 and they sanction you. This is completely absurd.”

He also said it was unnecessary to run the system on the assumption most job seekers “don’t want to work”.

Mr Gruffydd added: “There’s plenty of evidence of people losing all their benefits at a stroke because of arbitrary sanctions.

“Job Centre staff have spoken out about being given targets in terms of sanctions and I’m concerned that the most vulnerable could be bearing the brunt of these.

“They are the easiest to sanction and are likely to have the least resources and support to fight back.”

And there is this as well (from the New Statesman, a good source of information and comment)

UN report finds UK disability benefit reforms “violate human rights”

The government’s welfare reforms show “grave or systematic violations of the rights of persons with disabilities”, according to a UN report.

The Committee on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities painted a picture of a benefits system with a blunt mandate to get claimants back into work, but with little consideration of human rights.

Instead, people with disabilities have found their living conditions deteriorate due to a toxic cocktail of cuts to housing benefit, tightened budgets for local services, and blunt assessments that do not take into account complex needs. The Bedroom Tax also made it harder to find suitable accommodation.

But perhaps the most damning part of the report is the change in culture it observes.

Because disabled people are more likely to rely on some form of welfare support, they are also more likely to be a target of scapegoating, it noted.

As the government rolled out its welfare reforms, “high-ranking officers” issued statements telling the public the changes were supposed to make the welfare system fairer to taxpayers and reduce benefit fraud.

The report continued:

Persons with disabilities have been regularly portrayed negatively as being dependent or making a living out of benefits, committing fraud as benefit claimants, being lazy and putting a burden on taxpayers, who are paying “money for nothing”.

Its inquiry uncovered evidence that people with disabilities experience increasing hostility, aggressive behaviour and attacks. This was despite the fact there was nothing to suggest people with disabilities were any more likely to commit benefit fraud.

In response to the criticism, the government pointed to its campaigners to improve public awareness. But the UN committee is unconvinced.

It concluded that the government could have foreseen that its welfare reforms would have a negative impact on people with disabilities. But instead, those claimants undergoing assessments “felt that they were merely processed rather than being listened to or understood”.

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Written by Andrew Coates

November 10, 2016 at 11:45 am

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  1. “After this latest global wake up call, the need for a real alternative to a failed economic and political system could not be clearer”

    The sooner the better, for the majority of the world population.

    news seeker

    November 10, 2016 at 1:21 pm

  2. Fighting back regarding a sanction, many people are being told by the DWP that they can’t appeal or there is no appeal, for those that do appeal there is that long wait until the tribunal meanwhile they are left with nothing, or more likely become homeless.

    news seeker

    November 10, 2016 at 1:30 pm

    • While one is without any cash, stamps, envelopes and the recording of delivery costs money, not forgetting a recording device. are many people who have no chance in getting any of these. the reality.

      news seeker

      November 10, 2016 at 1:45 pm

    • Jobcentre staff self harm. Eg wind up the claiment suffers selective hearing=verbal abuse,Stops the benefit without proper explanation and while doing so produces aggressive eye contact and smirk=Reaction physical assault.
      Police response very swift within 5 mins, Get your house burgled or your grand mother assaulted and robbed Po!ice response very slow .UNFORTUNATLY jobcentre staff, Hmrc , Council , Bank , Large corporations are on the police list of privileged protection.
      DONT CROSS A CIVIL SERVANT .

      Buck Rodgers

      December 3, 2016 at 8:31 am

  3. The growing numbers of Child poverty.

    3.9 million children in the UK are living in poverty and that includes 18,000 children in Wirral. Children in the UK are now twice as likely to be poor as our pensioners.

    “In every part of the country, there are children who are growing up in poverty and having to do without.

    “That means going without all sorts of things, including food. Some will be wearing shoes that don’t fit, clothes that aren’t warm enough and going to bed hungry.

    http://www.margaretgreenwood.org.uk/news/news.aspx?p=103105

    news seeker

    November 10, 2016 at 3:37 pm

  4. Andrew Coates

    November 10, 2016 at 5:06 pm

    • There are circumstances in which humans are unlikely to flourish no matter how motivated they are.

      Tying inadequate income support to a list of behavioural conditions will most punish those who are suffering most.
      Empirical studies of welfare conditionality have found that benefit claimants often do not comprehend the complicated rules that apply to them. Some are being punished for lack of understanding rather than deliberate non-compliance.

      Thus far, the behavioural sciences’ usefulness as an intellectual weapon against punitive welfare reform has been overlooked. This is partly due to under-appreciation of the considerable contrast between the libertarian paternalism advocated by some behavioural scientists, which provides a rationale for governments to nudge citizens, and Mead’s brand of paternalism, which emphasises the personal responsibility of the poor for their circumstances. More importantly the disproportionate attention given to nudge has inhibited recognition that the behavioural research on poverty can be used to argue for more ambitious policy approaches which seek to transform behaviour in more ethical ways.

      news seeker

      November 12, 2016 at 11:55 am

  5. Has James Comey (FBI) now got to decide his own fate or throw Hillary under the bus ?

    doug

    November 11, 2016 at 1:33 am

    • Oh crap, sorry people, the above post should have never came to this site, i fully apologize.

      I use a writer,blog,forum program what with having loads of sites and obviously made an error in my URL target.

      IF YOUR LISTENING MR ANDREW COATES

      I would really appreciate it if you could delete it as its not relevant to your discussion.

      Im sorry for ruining the your post Andrew Coates.

      doug

      November 11, 2016 at 11:52 am

  6. […] Benefit Sanctions and UN Report on Disability Benefit ‘Reforms’: Abuse Continues. […]

  7. UN’s conclusion that UK violated disability rights is ‘vindication’ for activists

    DNS – 10th Nov 2016

    Disabled activists who persuaded the United Nations (UN) to investigate serious breaches of rights by the UK government say their four-year journey has been vindicated, after a report concluded there had been “grave or systematic violations” of the UN’s disability convention.

    Disabled People Against Cuts (DPAC) – led by its co-founder Debbie Jolly – first approached the UN’s committee on the rights of persons with disabilities (CRPD) four years ago, and lodged a formal request to investigate the allegations the following year.

    Now, more than four years after the first contact from DPAC, CRPD has published its report into the allegations.

    Read More:
    http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/uns-conclusion-that-uk-violated-disability-rights-is-vindication-for-activists/

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    November 11, 2016 at 2:34 pm

    • “””DPAC and other disabled activists, including Black Triangle co-founder John McArdle, were also furious that the government leaked the UN report to a right-wing tabloid, The Mail on Sunday, and attempted to rubbish its conclusions before it was published the following day.

      A string of leading campaigners have signed a letter written by McArdle that will be sent to the UN to ask it to condemn the UK government’s “unacceptable” behaviour, which they say was an attempt to “discredit and delegitimise the report”. “”””

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      November 11, 2016 at 2:34 pm

    • Debbie Jolly RIP

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      November 11, 2016 at 2:36 pm

  8. Government looking to off load welfare on the private sector

    http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/23562

    We have already heard about protection insurance but until now only from government mouths. Well its now in the green paper along with a game plan to get the public to care less and create a wall locking out the lower class working or not.

    I said before everything we do comes straight from America and here we go again. Now in America its really a bit of a joke, even called disability denial factories dew to the frequency at which there insurance companies refuse to pay out. Now people often make the mistake of thinking Obamacare is providing for those its original medical plan didn’t but even to this day all that’s changed is the rampant cost Americans are struggling to pay. Even Michelle Obamas veteran care is a con as many veterans still struggle everyday to get access. With the largest insurance companies now pulling out of the industry Obama’s best made plan is circling the toilet for that very likely final flush.

    Currently you have the opportunity if denied how ever wrong that maybe to go stab someone at there offices but if UK public let the likes of TTIP enter this countries domain, you literally wont have any redress.

    Anyone not lucky enough to have wages circling 15/17 plus pounds an hour with a solid 7 hours min is really going to suffer under this governments vision to create a have and have not society. Now im not saying there wont be some sort of public welfare structure, what im saying is, if you think your being kicked in the teeth at the moment then get ready to be kicked and kicked and kicked until you die right there on that JCP floor.

    So working or not, if you weren’t hearing me before then hear me now as your government most certainly isn’t listening to anyone of you. not in the slightest.

    doug

    November 11, 2016 at 4:51 pm

    • April 2016 – UC, sanctioned every month, – appealed to tibunal, no benefits (at all) since Sept, UC claim closed, re claim of UC, (letter sent to JC, – change work coach) – refused.

      What does one need to do? but wait there is no help is there.

      news seeker

      November 12, 2016 at 12:56 pm

    • The DWP/Jobcentre and their third-party ‘provider’ collaborators are PURE FUCKING EVIL. No if, no buts – they are PURE FUCKING EVIL, UTTER FUCKING C****. They will do their level best to push you under the bus. And if the bastards succeed – it is just, well, TOUGH! Too bad buddy! What a total Nazi fucking shit-hole of a C***TRY the UK is!

      DWP/JCP = FUCKING SCUM

      November 12, 2016 at 1:32 pm

    • After all those sanctions or because of the closing of UC claim – didn’t end up on the street or commit suicide. are you listening DWP.

      Supplied all the ID required for claiming UC, work coach – “that’s all the info we need”

      Now a letter from UC states

      “you must provide evidence to support your claim to UC, we asked you to provide some evidence to support your UC claim but we have not received it, if you do not know what you need to provide for your UC claim, please phone us.

      It is important that you provide this evidence as your payments may be delayed or your UC claim closed.

      Update

      regarding ongoing appeal,

      “We said you would lose some or all of your UC payments because you failed to carry out a work preparation activity. – one sanction.

      You asked us to look at our original decision again, after we did that and told you the result, (decision upheld), you appealed to an independent tribunal.

      We will remove this sanction.

      Before sending your case to the tribunal, we’ve looked at your appeal and decided that you shouldn’t get this sanction, we will make sure you don’t lose any of your UC payment because of it.

      This means we haven’t paid you enough, we will write to you again to say how much you’re owed and when you’ll get it.

      We’re now working out the amount of your next payment, if it’s different from your last payment, we will write to you again”

      DWP this and every other letter I receive are STILL being sent away.

      And because of transparency, I will copy and paste everything on social media.

      news seeker

      November 12, 2016 at 3:54 pm

      • news seeker

        make sure you do keep everything surrunding this matter.

        sounds to me a bogus sanction, misapplied, the missapplied sanction then okayed by decision maker.
        You go to tribunal and then the S&^t hits the wall as someone FINALLY takes a close look rather than send it through on the nod.

        Good one. Stay Strong.

        Gazza

        November 13, 2016 at 2:08 am

      • Right fucking bastards the DWP are. As soon as you call the c***** bluff they fucking fold! DWP = Fucking SCUM!!

        Poker Face

        November 13, 2016 at 4:52 am

      • I will do Gazza, I won’t give up, I have suffered as you can imagine but still I continue. good luck to you with your circumstances.

        news seeker

        November 13, 2016 at 1:03 pm

    • Fucking hell!!

      Ant Middleton

      November 13, 2016 at 5:14 am

  9. The telegraph still dont get it

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/11/conservatives-should-reform-welfare-on-a-simple-principle-you-ge/

    The twats at the telegraph it appears dont even read there own work as how do they expect someone as they say “”just managing” to have anything to put to one side and judging by businesses these days what with a significant rise in ZHCs,temp and unsecure short term work, “manage what exactly”.

    Dont these people at the telegraph buy food, pay for gas. Do they have any idea whats going on out in the real world away from there make believe fantasy worlds or is covering god damn America and the east every five seconds blocking there view.

    LAST YEAR HALF OF AMERICANS EARNED LESS THAN $30’000 WITH 40% EARNING LESS THAN $20’000

    If America cant provide for itself, desperate like a 2 dollar whore to get the rest of the world to take TTIP and the likes, what make the telegraph think this little pin prick of an island can do better, i mean seriously what drugs are they on.

    AMERICANS BETWEEN THE AGE OF 30 TO 39 HAVE AN AVERAGE DEBT OF $15’000 WHILE THOSE AGED BETWEEN 40 TO 59 HAVE AN AVERAGE DEBT OF $20’000.

    Someone go round there and shoot them will they as it seems to me that until we start killing the right ones, we wont be able to start saving the wrong ones.

    doug

    November 11, 2016 at 5:37 pm

  10. NO REALLY SHERLOCK

    http://www.lbc.co.uk/politics/lbcs-fact-check/lbc-fact-check-single-mothers-targeted-benefit-cap/

    Is it me, have we only just invented the calculus as how comes its taken the media this long to realize the cap effects single parents.
    SERIOUSLY just some short while ago i bashed the keys on my calculator to prove to an idiot the other day talking crap to some person online of why we need the cap to prove a single mother with a child of 10 in NW10 paying £360 a week rent (average rent for area) breaches the cap and it only took 3 MINUTES (including sourcing amounts for benefits).

    And even then these lazy media people who quite frankly plagiarize sites like this use stupid GMB figures on effected amounts, how dumb is that.

    GOD HELP ME, HOW CAN I BE THE ONE THAT’S CURRENTLY OUT OF WORK.

    doug

    November 11, 2016 at 5:46 pm

  11. Virgin Care wins £700m contract to run 200 NHS and social care services

    Deal for Bath and north-east Somerset area sparks new fears about private firms’ role in providing publicly funded healthcare.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/nov/11/virgin-care-700m-contract-200-nhs-social-care-services-bath-somerset

    news seeker

    November 12, 2016 at 1:21 pm

    • Virgin Care? Isn’t there any care available with a bit more experience?

      Dicky B

      November 12, 2016 at 5:28 pm

    • Virgin Care?

      As a idea as to how good this will be anyone got vigin media?
      Anyone had problems with the phone not working/
      Good luck how can you contact Virgin if the phone don’t work?
      Online Web Email – oh sorry we never received it/

      This is the experience I have had with Virgin “We do not like being contacted with problems” Media

      Gazza

      November 13, 2016 at 2:11 am

  12. Protect that information of yours.

    Personal details of 700,000 jobseekers with recruitment firm Michael Page hacked in massive worldwide data breach.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/personal-details-700000-jobseekers-recruitment-9241022

    news seeker

    November 12, 2016 at 1:29 pm

    • This hacking continues to spread, like cyberspace typhoid.

      Andrew Coates

      November 12, 2016 at 3:55 pm

      • Yes, everything will be hacked sooner or later.

        news seeker

        November 12, 2016 at 4:26 pm

      • Ding, ding and ding!

        Somebody,anybody, even you newsreader ?

        “We do not believe that the unauthorised access was carried out with any fraudulent or malicious intent”.

        Then

        “Our work has established that this was not a malicious attack and we are not aware of any broader dissemination of data or fraudulent activities as a result of the incident”.

        You cant establish anything on a belief. If you establish something on facts, what you know with certainty.

        “Privacy and security are key priorities for Capgemini; we are confident in our security procedures and data protection measures and are continuously improving them.”

        And

        “We are also working hard to put measures in place to ensure that an incident of this nature does not happen again”.

        You cant be that confident or positively certain if your putting things in place so it does not happen again and continuously improving. In short you can only do the best you can but you cant be confident or certain.

        Capgemini is Michael Pages contracted I.T company so not only do they have an invested interested in each other, they also have an invested interest in how this hack is viewed by others both collectively and separately. Wheres the OVERSIGHT as in a body that has NO connection with both companies and nothing to gain ?

        If its all innocent like, one person there aware of then why is it a hack and why even mention it ?

        Also dont forget there only able to refer to Capgeminis server and hardware, they didn’t check or state they had this person PC/hardware. In short if this data suddenly appears on the net, Capgemini is going to pass the buck and lay the blame on this person and hey presto absolving themselves of all legal responsibility in some twist chain of chatter.

        Its all a crock of crap but rather than wait for our government to do nothing, claimants need to get off there backsides and start removing certain pieces of personal and or sensitive data as i have described which does not require knowledge of I.T or any software to achieve. The benefit of this is, the likes of Michael Pages can then get hacked as much as they like and claimants wont be effected.

        Im not going to say i told you so, instead im going to say something more important and that is your only a victim if you make yourself one and lastly,

        If a claimant wants to fear sacrificing there benefits over there security then fine, but dont come moaning when things like this happen as its not DWPs fault, its yours.

        doug

        November 12, 2016 at 6:46 pm

      • Doug, I’ll say it again, if it wasn’t for people like you.

        news seeker

        November 13, 2016 at 1:11 pm

      • If i wanted to see my face newsreader, i would go look in the mirror.

        This is anything but about me. Come on, am i suppose to believe im the only one who saw that in the article or the others ?
        Its the mirror for god sake (sorry god) a second rate paint by numbers tabloid constructed of 8 word sentences that uses pictures to convey the message. Its a mr man book, i know we all remember them surely.
        We are 6 years almost on now. By now the time i get up assuming i haven’t been up all night doing what i do, i should have been a day late and a dollar short observing that and advertising it. Other people should be snagging that stuff like taking candy from a baby. I would have thought by now that i would be struggling to come up with anything because everyone else beat me there.

        Its not like i think tanked like i do with articles that aren’t in the media or are what happens in the end. I read and observed that in like 1 or 2 minutes tops, anybody can do that,anybody.

        I have faith in people newsreader but that’s no good if they dont have faith in themselves.

        That’s what im saying newsreader.

        doug

        November 13, 2016 at 10:26 pm

    • And the cause is: slack system and database administration.

      Dicky B

      November 12, 2016 at 5:29 pm

  13. ‘work programme’ advisors/consultants are fond of saying: “It is not us who sanction you, it is the DWP who sanction you 😀 😀 “. And in the case of a JCP cockroach they will lay the blame for a benefit stoppage on a ‘decision maker’.

    It is a common misconception that DWP ‘decision makers’ issue sanctions/stop your benefits, but they don’t and more importantly can’t. DWP ‘decision makers’ can only recommend a sanction: “I recommend a sanction” It is your cockroach/’advisor’/’consultant’ who decides whether or not to apply a sanction.

    In a “Changes to you Jobseeker’s Allowance” letter this would read as: “We cannot pay you Jobseeker’s Allowance… We have decided that a sanction is no longer applicable.” In other words the ‘decision maker’
    has recommended a sanction but the roach has decided not to apply the sanction/benefit stoppage. It still counts as an adverse decision though and you can still Appeal it and have the decision overturned but your benefits won’t have been stopped.

    Cockroaches/’advisors’/’consultants’ like to distance themselves from the sanction/benefit stoppage process by blaming a (DWP) ‘decision maker’) but it is the person sat on the other side of the desk who pulls the lever so to speak and is directly responsible for your benefit stoppage.

    DMA

    November 12, 2016 at 2:00 pm

    • I know it all to well DMA.

      news seeker

      November 12, 2016 at 3:57 pm

    • It’s called shooting first and asking questions later. So Work Coaches raise doubts and dole out sanctions leaving it to some faceless Decision Maker to decided on real guilt or innocence. Like a witch ducking the claimant loses either way: if the witch sinks and drowns she’s innocent, if she floats she’s guilty and burned alive: if the claimant is innocent they still suffer the torments of the damned until their sanction is overturned on appeal, or have to bear a completely disproportionate punishment that bears no relation to whatever it is that the Decision Maker decides is wrong.

      Being a Decision Maker must be like a pilot flying a drone and killing people from a distance. Removed from the blood, injury, pain, misery, anguish, agony and death all they see are tiny moving dots on the ground, not people, then an explosion, dust and smoke. Decision Makers are isolated from the terrible harm that the ridiculously severe sanctions they dole out do. If they saw the damage no doubt they would be far more lenient.

      What diseased minds dreamed up this hellish system?

      IDS was much too dumb to have invented such an horror unaided.

      Dicky B

      November 12, 2016 at 5:41 pm

  14. ‘work programme’ advisors/consultants are fond of saying: “It is not us who sanction you, it is the DWP who sanction you 😀 😀 “. And in the case of a JCP cockroach they will lay the blame for a benefit stoppage on a ‘decision maker’.

    It is a common misconception that DWP ‘decision makers’ issue sanctions/stop your benefits, but they don’t and more importantly can’t. DWP ‘decision makers’ can only recommend a sanction: “I recommend a sanction” It is your cockroach/’advisor’/’consultant’ who decides whether or not to apply a sanction.

    In a “Changes to you Jobseeker’s Allowance” letter this would read as: “We cannot pay you Jobseeker’s Allowance… We have decided that a sanction is no longer applicable.” In other words the ‘decision maker’
    has recommended a sanction but the roach has decided not to apply the sanction/benefit stoppage. It still counts as an adverse decision though and you can still Appeal it and have the decision overturned but your benefits won’t have been stopped.

    Cockroaches/’advisors’/’consultants’ like to distance themselves from the sanction/benefit stoppage process by blaming a (DWP) ‘decision maker’) but it is the person sat on the other side of the desk who pulls the lever so to speak and is directly responsible for your benefit stoppage.

    DMA

    November 12, 2016 at 2:02 pm

    • Sounds like the b******s have a guilty conscious if that is possible, fcn c***s!

      Marie

      November 12, 2016 at 2:20 pm

  15. I, Daniel Blake screenwriter stunned by wall of notes left by movie-goers at Edinburgh cinema.

    PAUL Laverty is amazed by display at the Cameo with many messages left by people who have suffered at hands of the benefits system like the movie’s main character.

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/movies/movie-news/i-daniel-blake-screenwriter-stunned-9243781

    news seeker

    November 12, 2016 at 4:24 pm

    • Stunning reaction, nice post newsreader and am sorry it took till now to say that.

      doug

      November 13, 2016 at 10:34 pm

  16. until tomorrow.

    news seeker

    November 12, 2016 at 4:42 pm

    • Indeed this is on in the early evening, a documentary about Job Centres (Horror Channel):

      Andrew Coates

      November 12, 2016 at 4:45 pm

      • Fucking hell!

        Ant Middleton

        November 13, 2016 at 5:14 am

      • Fucking hell! You’ve got some balls for saying that, mate!

        Ant Middleton

        November 14, 2016 at 10:21 am

    • It’s called the Survive, Hide, Interrogation, Terrorise and Evade phase and it’s the most secretive part of the entire Claiming JSA process.

      God, it was tough. I didn’t know my own name by the time I’d got out of the Job Centre. That’s how intense it was.

      ANT

      DWP: Who Dares Wins

      November 13, 2016 at 2:35 pm

  17. TRUMP:I’M REOPENING 9/11 INVESTIGATION.

    Marie

    November 13, 2016 at 11:10 am

    • Bit late now all the evidence is gone. Still there’s enough evidence to embarrass some of those that worked on the two reports and investigations like the put options on the airlines for instance or the declaration of no ground fires of molten metal.

      What amazes me is probability. We know no steel like structure has ever fallen as a result of fire which in some cases has either burnt longer or hotter. Now probability wise i could totally easily believe one building falling down as the math wouldn’t be such a stretch at all but three buildings, one of which that didn’t get hit by a plane, all in the same place on the same day, falling the exact same way. The odds of that are humongous.

      doug

      November 13, 2016 at 10:44 pm

      • If you talk to a structural engineer he/she will tell you that the integrity of any building hit by a jumbo jet midway will be seriously undermined and probably lead to the eventually collapse of the stories above the crash leading to demolition of most or all of the building as thousands of tons of material accelerates downward onto the floor below it under the force of gravity.

        The massive and sudden loss of structural integrity in the load bearing structures of the building did.

        Statics & Dynamics

        November 14, 2016 at 9:44 am

      • Fucking hell! You’ve got some balls for saying that, mate!

        Ant Middleton

        November 14, 2016 at 10:21 am

      • Midway my backside Statics & Dynamics but i will forget you said that as your version and take of events falls short when we consider building 7.

        Your trying to convince people that these buildings had zero resistance. That sir would be to say newtons third law is wrong. Im sorry but you cant cherry pick the physics that suits your narrative.

        I tell you what, instead of us going back and forth with you constantly ignoring science, heres a video brought about by not only tons of structural engineers but architects,scientists, mathematicians, engineers in tons of fields related to this along with fire experts and on the list goes of decades old experienced people and let the audience decide between that and the two reports officially released.

        Or are you saying you know more than them, there all wack jobs and the science they use simply does not exist or is not relevant.

        My interest in 911 has nothing to do with conspiracies and all this inside job business. Im an engineer from a family of ex engineers (retired) in different fields. I look at this in terms of science and math and im sorry, your argument bares no relativity to what actually happened.

        doug

        November 14, 2016 at 12:33 pm

    • 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!

      FIRE CANNOT MELT STEEL!

      **POLICE STATE 101 – TOTAL GLOBAL ENSLAVEMENT! OWN IN NOW ON HIGH-QUALITY DVD!!**

      Alex Jones

      November 14, 2016 at 12:02 am

      • Can the conspiracy theorists who insult the memory of our American sisters and brothers who died in 9/11 please fuck off to Breitbart and David Icke.

        This site is about unemployment in the UK and fighting for our rights not your racist adoration of Trump.

        Andrew Coates

        November 14, 2016 at 11:43 am

      • Fucking hell!

        Ant Middleton

        November 14, 2016 at 2:11 pm

      • So what are you saying in your roundabout, cryptic way, Mr Coates? That fire cannot melt steel? That 9/11 was an inside job? The facts are indisputable!

        Infinite love,
        David

        David Icke

        November 14, 2016 at 3:45 pm

      • Andrew Coates

        November 14, 2016 at 5:23 pm

    • I know this won’t mean much to the nutters. including Donald Trump, but here’s the science and the engineering explaining why the World Trade Center collapsed after being hit by airliners hijacked by Saudi Arabian Al-Qaeda affiliated terrorists, explained by experts in the Journal of the Minerals, Metals & Materials Society.

      http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112.html

      End of.

      (Oh! The Duke of Edinburgh is not a blood drinking lizard either. Sorry.)

      Statics & Dynamics

      November 15, 2016 at 12:21 pm

  18. MP Steve Rotheram calls on government to outline steps to tackle foodbank use.

    “The fact that almost 1.1 million people use them across Britain, a rise of approximately 960,000 since 2010, is an indictment of the Government’s policies which continue to hit the poorest hardest.

    “Benefit delays, sanctions and changes by your department are some of the primary reasons food bank use has risen exponentially and I would like to see the Government do more to challenge the on-going issues deprived communities are facing.

    http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/mp-steve-rotheram-calls-government-12165322

    news seeker

    November 13, 2016 at 12:49 pm

  19. “Job Centre staff have spoken out about being given targets in terms of sanctions and I’m concerned that the most vulnerable could be bearing the brunt of these”

    Where and who are these? I do not know one, do you..

    news seeker

    November 13, 2016 at 1:39 pm

  20. Bloody well don’t, they’re all a bunch of evil bastards! I’ve never met one that gives a toss about us lot!

    Marie

    November 13, 2016 at 2:06 pm

    • Fucking hell!

      Ant Middleton

      November 13, 2016 at 2:23 pm

      • It’s called the Survive, Hide, Interrogation, Terrorise and Evade phase and it’s the most secretive part of the entire Selection process.

        God, it was tough. I didn’t know my own name by the time I’d got out of there. That’s how intense it was.

        ANT

        DWP: Who Dares Wins

        November 13, 2016 at 2:34 pm

  21. OT: Got Cancer? Need care? Not from the NHS you won’t

    H/T: refuted

    https://kittysjones.wordpress.com/2015/10/06/gps-bribed-to-send-fewer-cancer-patients-for-vital-hospital-tests-mike-sivier/

    ME:
    In remission myself but am at 40% more likelyhood, over anyone else, of something else popping up in the future.

    I found the comment I copy below most disturbing…

    jamesakirkcaldy says:
    October 6, 2015 at 7:14 pm

    Yes, I am in a high risk area and group for Cancer so undoubtedly I will be one of the ones to get knocked off earlier than others. I maybe a tad facetious there but the picture presented when you scan across the social policy sphere and, well, VW et al., well, I think many can be forgiven for feeling that they have stepped into Susan George’s fictional scenario, The Lugano Report.

    Interesting point of note is that whilst this scheme results in removing access to life and causing early deaths, clearly removing access to life seems an intended outcome of this scheme, Government on the other hand is encouraging the use of big data and data mining to identify amongst the populace those at risk of Cancer (probabilistic).

    This is being discussed right now at the Local Authority level in Calderdale and elsewhere. Patient records, dietary history of kids in school (they thumb print the children and to pay for the meals they use a thumb scanner), facebook posts, social media i.e. significant parts of the GCHQ/NSA dataset in essence.

    I have to question how these two things sit together and it is a very, very sobering thought experiment in my mind. Its happening and you all need to seriously considered these two cross overs.

    Gazza

    November 13, 2016 at 4:34 pm

    • …………………………………

      Scotch Mist

      November 13, 2016 at 5:49 pm

    • The National Death Service has been like this since it’s inception though. Doctors are paid lot of $$s to bat you off. By the time you get an appointment to see a consultant the cancer will have got you and the cancer be ‘inoperable’. This is the way of our fantastic ‘health service’ and way it has always been. You buy into the propaganda of how fantastic it is, that is… unless you use it!

      Scotch Mist

      November 13, 2016 at 5:50 pm

    • And they really take the piss when they run these adverts such as “If you see blood in your stool your doctor wants to see you” Yeah, sure they do! “If you have had a cough for more than three weeks your doctor wants to see you” Like fuck they do!

      Scotch Mist

      November 13, 2016 at 5:56 pm

    • “Jeffery Davies
      said:

      October 2, 2015 at 2:17 pm

      Yep yesterday I was talking to my friend phill who said he had a small lump in his lung so waited for the doctor to get intouch with hospital they took their time but found one so then another wait but sadly he now has two lumps one in each lung tolate for the op sadly today the news breaks why he waited solong its has we know its all todo with monies just another way these nazi go with their grand plan aktion t4 how many more jeff3

      Mike Sivier
      said:

      October 2, 2015 at 3:22 pm

      Has your friend contacted the newspapers?
      I think it’s vitally important that this case be brought before the public. Get him to call the Daily Mirror, pronto!”

      Mike Sivier really needs to get up to speed. He acts with shock as if this is something new that is happening in the NHS when in actual fact it has been standard practice for as long as the NHS has existed. The NHS is a fucking disgrace!

      Scotch Mist

      November 13, 2016 at 6:06 pm

    • And it is probably being brought to the fore now only because the NHS is being prepared for full privatisation.

      Scotch Mist

      November 13, 2016 at 6:08 pm

    • I read these, im speechless and feel right shitty as i know this problem which has indeed been a problem for a shameful amount of time is way at the back of the NHS queue of things to get sorted.

      You know i think it was some 10 maybe 13 years ago now i had a pop at the NHS but and im not kidding, if claimants think trying to get blood out of this welfare reform is hard, you haven’t seen nothing until you try tackling the NHS.

      Gazza, your king. Despite your situation you still come here batting for others.

      You are the man sir who i salute,tip my hat to,raise a glass, bow my head and say if god has any self respect, will bring you back to us.

      doug

      November 13, 2016 at 11:14 pm

      • Here here ☺

        Marie

        November 14, 2016 at 8:11 am

      • doug/Marie

        thanks very much. I WILL keep plugging away for as long as I am able. I always welcome opposite views as I do not know everything so all information is always welcome – even when it shows I am being foolish – due to circumstances improving a bit I will be a bit more visible – now in Temp housing [the distance from where I should be is breathtaking, but that’s the point as far as the council is concerned].

        Healthwise strongly suspect [pain is spot on] that am suffering from Bursitis arthritis – pain in hips at night – putting up here so others know what tell doc – told them unable till now to point to specific issue. only taken what …. 10 years. Scan tomorrow – docs end of month then we will see.

        There will be a update concerning homelessness in the near future how councils [strangely Conservative ones appear to lead the charge here… I wonder why] scrape off of their books people in need.

        Gazza

        November 14, 2016 at 2:35 pm

      • No,no,no Gazza, it is i who thanks you.

        Your amazing and i stand in your shadow so bask in the beauty that is you while relaxing and getting yourself well again.

        PS – Oh dont you dare reply to this with another thanks, just own the praise and admiration you rightfully deserve and we will hear no more about it from you that is (basically we can say that to you as much as we like but you cant say it back to us, got it).

        doug

        November 14, 2016 at 3:36 pm

  22. The Ken Loach docu-drama Cathy Come Home is on tonight 13 November at 22:30 on BBC 4.

    BBC 4

    November 13, 2016 at 6:14 pm

  23. 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!

    FIRE CANNOT MELT STEEL!

    **POLICE STATE 101 – TOTAL GLOBAL ENSLAVEMENT! OWN IT NOW ON HIGH-QUALITY DVD!!**

    Alex Jones

    November 14, 2016 at 12:03 am

  24. The sanctions system reverses the order of natural justice where a person is innocent unless proven guilty. To the DWP everybody is guilty unless they prove themselves innocent and can be punished based on very junior civil servants deciding that they have violated their “claimant commitment” often in the most trivial way. It doesn’t matter if the claimant’s actions were justifiable or not or deliberate or not; if they can’t prove their innocence they are guilty by default for something as trivial as missing an appointment or being ill.

    How could such a system ever have come into being?

    Dicky B

    November 14, 2016 at 9:37 am

  25. Salford’s mayor didn’t believe the homeless figures so did his own count – what he found was shocking

    The count merely provides a snapshot of homelessness, but isn’t nearly accurate enough. People can only actually be counted if they’re seen sleeping

    Paul Dennett was joined by MP Rebecca Long-Bailey for the city’s annual homeless count – and said he was horrified at what they found.

    From a 19-year-old man sleeping rough in a park for more than three months – to another man slipping in and out of consciousness, barely covered by a blanket in the street, they said the exercise was ‘soul destroying’.

    http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/salfords-mayor-didnt-believe-homeless-12168778

    news seeker

    November 14, 2016 at 12:53 pm

    • You know newsreader i started reading this and watching the video then came across underneath more videos. The one that drew me which i will link to in a moment is a very good account of what its like to be that unfortunate.

      http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/watch-what-like-homeless-manchester-11706652

      Apart from the fact this is precisely what happens on the street, what troubles me is when you go to the comments section below both articles.
      Peoples preconceived notions like the classic, its the immigrants but how short minded they are that the refugee problem cant explain post 2010 and backwards. I swear some people must think homelessness didn’t ever start till after 2010. What i saw and i see it here to with our lovely trolls, is the accepted practice of cherry picking the parts that fit there narrative like for instance getting attacked was never included by those bent on blaming it on immigration as one shinning example. Oh perish the thought one should spoil there own narrative, that fairy castle in the clouds.

      Why didn’t people home in on facts like, more people ignored the homeless than helped them. That the police who im sorry are very aware of people being sanctioned still insist on administering the law which in this case was the begging one rather than thinking, you know what,screw the law, this man/woman/child is homeless, i see them everyday even arrested them a couple of times so i know there not scam artists. The Answer to that and to a lot of this is that age old sin, MONEY and how that comes before concern and consideration of others.

      We as humans have an ugly face, not all of us but still none the less the majority of us and thats another inescapable fact.

      TOP MARKS NEWSREADER.

      doug

      November 14, 2016 at 4:33 pm

      • Round these parts the cops hassle the homeless like no bugger’s business. Questioning them, searching them… We also have groups of Romanians pretending to be homeless, and they outnumber the genuine homeless by a mile. These imposters get picked in a van after a hard-days begging, we have seen it happen. But you never, ever see the cops hassling these fuckers! What is that all about?

        Cardboard Box

        November 14, 2016 at 7:25 pm

  26. A trustee of Wandsworth Foodbank,. part of The Trussell Trust’s foodbank network.

    Yes, I, Daniel Blake Is True To Life – But That’s Not What We Should Be Debating.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/sarah-chapman/i-daniel-blake-true-debate_b_12894118.html

    news seeker

    November 14, 2016 at 1:11 pm

  27. UN urged to act over UK Government’s ‘unacceptable’ dismissal of report on disability.

    Campaigners are writing to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon asking him to “censure” the UK Government for its “unacceptable behaviour” in trying to discredit the report.

    The letter, which will be submitted early this week, has been backed by more than 50 signatories including Paul Laverty, scriptwriter of “I, Daniel Blake”, several SNP MPs and disability and poverty campaigners.

    John McArdle, co-founder of the Scottish disability rights group Black Triangle, said the report stood to be “totally disregarded” by the UK Government.

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14884362.UN_urged_to_act_over_UK_Government__39_s___39_unacceptable__39__dismissal_of_report_on_disability/

    news seeker

    November 14, 2016 at 3:36 pm

    • This government has been a law unto themselves since they first got back into power. Consistently they have deliberately ignored all the solid data until they cant walk backwards any more.

      Now its not a nice thing to say but true enough this government in terms of how they see claimants and the poor is right on Parr with being a terrorist. Remember all the rendition and torture they kept denying to the bitter end or the killing of innocent people just so they could possibly kill a terrorist they denied to the bitter end ?

      And what did they do after that but oh looky looky, they introduce a law that makes it ok to do while absolving anyone in government or a particular department of any wrong doing.

      Its like this either no pilot or half hearted and bury any government research until we cant approach when introducing a scheme.

      This proves those that wield that pen know only to well what there doing, know they wont be held accountable and for the sake of saving buck will carry it out until they cant as any saving is better than no saving right.

      Top one again newsreader

      doug

      November 14, 2016 at 4:54 pm

  28. NHS chiefs are trying to keep plans to cut hospital services in England secret, an investigation has found.

    Full details of 44 reviews of services around the country – which involve closing some A&Es or, in one case, a whole hospital – are yet to emerge.

    That is because NHS England told local managers to keep the plans “out of the public domain” and avoid requests for information, the King’s Fund suggested.

    Managers were even told how to reject freedom of information requests.

    The King’s Fund report did not include any details of cuts, but from the leaks and plans that have been published so far a partial picture is emerging of what is involved.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-37943379

    news seeker

    November 14, 2016 at 3:48 pm

  29. Sluggish wage growth means the average employee is £3,500 a year worse off since the Conservatives came to power, according to Labour analysis of Treasury figures before chancellor Philip Hammond’s first autumn statement next week.

    John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, said: “We have known for a long time that the government has failed to make good on its promises to ‘make work pay’; we have had sluggish wage growth and a failure to return wages to their 2008 peak. That’s why Labour is calling on the chancellor, in the upcoming autumn statement, to reverse the damaging cuts to universal credit still planned for the remainder of this parliament.”

    In a speech on Monday, Abrahams will call for changes to the current system in which self-employed workers are not able to gain access to important elements of the social security system, including sick pay and paternity pay, and for the government to tackle the potential pensions black hole because of lower personal pension savings among the self-employed.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/nov/14/employees-3500-a-year-worse-off-under-tories-says-labour

    news seeker

    November 14, 2016 at 3:53 pm

  30. FOR THOSE WHO HAVE HAD CANCER TREATMENT – please read, it might save your life.

    If you have had treatment for cancer already, and you suspect that it is back (many go through this on a regular basis) you can bypass your GP completely.

    You do not need a referral from a GP to see a cancer specialist if you have had cancer before and had it treated.

    Instead, go straight to the hospital unit that treated you. Give them your details, including the date your treatment started if you can remember. They will get you in to see someone, often within hours, at most a few days. If you can’t get to your hospital unit, then ring them to start the ball rolling. Do not accept being told to go to your GP. It is not the case.

    Hardly any patients are given this info when they are discharged. Unsurprisingly, the aftercare for cancer patients in the NHS is virtually non existent. I happened on it via a recent convo with a cancer doc in the dept that handled my surgeries. The doc emphasised that it was important to avoid the GP in suspected cases of recurrence. GPs are notorious for knowing little about cancer and even less about recurrence. Finger wagging, patient shaming, fobbing off, they are medal winners.

    Do not put up with any crap from ill trained reception staff if you happen upon them, you have a right to be seen by a cancer specialist from the same team that treated you. Surgical departments for cancer tend to be a bit more up together on this, it’s the chemo/radiotherapy units that can be a bit slack. Don’t give up, keep on at them, they will see you. No matter how long ago your treatment ended. You have had cancer before, and as was said upthread, you are much more likely to get it again. Whether you like it or not, with many cancers, you are a patient for life. Somehow, this is known by the NHS but not well communicated to patients., because like hardship loans & appeal rights, the knowledge causes money to be spent.

    If you think your cancer is back, are worried about new symptoms or have any continuing after effects from treatment, then…

    DO NOT FART ABOUT WITH THE GP – GO TO THE HOSPITAL DEPARTMENT THAT TREATED YOU!

    Tubby The Tumour

    November 16, 2016 at 12:24 am


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