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There is more to this than meets the initial headline.

Spending watchdog urges clearer plans for cutting benefit system fraud and error.

Reports Welfare Weekly.

Efforts to tackle fraud and error in the benefits system must be stepped up following the “meltdown” over Concentrix’s role in the tax credit system, the Commons spending watchdog has said.

The cross-party Public Accounts Committee (PAC) said fraud and error remained a “significant problem” for the Department for Work and Pensions and HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC).

Outside contractor Concentrix was tasked with reducing fraud and error in the tax credits system but HMRC announced last month that its contract would not be renewed following complaints that claimants’ payments were wrongly cut.

The PAC welcomed some of the action taken by DWP and HMRC to tackle the problems in the benefits and tax credits systems, but demanded more action.

The report said: “While it is encouraging to see the departments targeting the causes of losses, such as misreported income, they also need clearer plans to reduce fraud and error in other challenging areas such as cohabitation and claimants pretending to live in the UK who live abroad.

“Recent issues relating to HMRC’s contract with Concentrix to investigate suspected fraud and error by tax credit claimants highlights the need to get these plans right.

“We remain disappointed by the absence of stretching targets for tackling fraud and error.”

So far so sadly predictable.

But Lo! there is this:

The committee also raised fresh concerns about the troubled Universal Credit programme, the Government’s flagship welfare reform aimed at simplifying a series of separate benefits into one payment.

The MPs warned that “systems underpinning Universal Credit are still underdeveloped and there are signs of pressure on staff”.

They also raised concerns that the “rigid” monthly assessment period could cause problems for claimants whose pay or rent were based on four-weekly cycles.

The report Universal Credit and fraud and error: progress review section on Universal Credit  says,

The Department started to roll out its “full service” version of Universal Credit to jobcentres in May 2016. It is rolling out at a rate of five centres a month and the Department had planned to scale up to 50 centres a month from February 2017. But on 20 July 2016, just hours before we took oral evidence on this inquiry, the new Secretary of State for Work and Pensions released a written ministerial statement, outlining a further delay to the roll out of the programme.3 The statement outlined a slower roll-out of the Department’s full service systems, which would continue to roll-out to only five centres a month until June 2017, before increasing the speed of the roll-out. The Department now envisages that the full service will be available in every jobcentre by September 2018 rather than June 2018, and that the roll-out of Universal Credit will now be complete by March 2022, 12 months later than previously announced and four and a half years after October 2017, the planned completion date at the start of the programme.4

3.The Department attributed the delay in roll-out to scope changes following policies announced in the Summer Budget 2015. These include removing eligibility for housing elements from 18 to 21 year olds, reducing the “limited capability for work” element to zero and restricting the number of children that Universal Credit will pay for to a maximum of two.5 These policy changes were announced in July 2015; well before our last evidence session in December 2015, and before the Department submitted its Outline Business Case to HM Treasury for approval in September 2015.6 The Department has therefore had a long time already to consider how to apply the policy changes to its systems, and actually had 21 months in total to implement the changes before they come into force in April 2017.7

4.The Department for Work & Pensions denied that it was attributing wider operational problems to changes in policy, and told us that a recent internal review of the Universal Credit programme concluded that it would have been on track to deliver 50 jobcentres in February 2017, if the Department did not have its issue of new scope to deal with.8 The Department told us that this new timetable should be feasible if no further policy changes are announced.9 Universal Credit has often been described as simplifying the benefit system. But these new delays suggest that the systems underpinning Universal Credit’s design are not adaptable to changes in policy or entitlement, raising questions about the promised flexibility of the new systems.10

Note also,

14.The Department expects people who are in work that earn less than the equivalent of 35 hours per week at the minimum wage to look to work or earn more. This “in-work conditionality” regime is still at a very early stage of development and the Department is undertaking a national trial to see what the best ways are of intervening. Approximately 40% of the current Universal Credit caseload are in work (approximately 112,000 claimants) and are moving into the trial.38 But longer term, the majority of households likely to fall within these requirements will be the 4.4 million families currently in receipt of tax credits, who are not used to such conditions being attached to their entitlement.39 These requirements may lead to families being ‘sanctioned’, or facing a financial penalty, if they cannot demonstrate that they have been looking to increase earnings during their assessment month. The Department stressed to us that the idea of this is to encourage people to work more hours and increase their earnings, not to be a system of punishment, but the Department must be sensitive to individual families’ circumstances (for example varying shift patterns and overtime requests) if the system is to prove effective. The Work and Pensions Select Committee has looked into this area in depth and we will also continue to take an interest in this area as plans develop and in work claimant numbers increase.40

If you have a strong stomach this is worth reading: from the Conclusions,

The Department has not updated its assessment of the expected benefits of Universal Credit in the light of policy and operational changes. The Department has now spent £1.16 billion on implementing Universal Credit, which has a caseload of around 280,000, compared to the over 6 million claimants expected in the long term. Despite having previously estimated that a six month delay to the programme could reduce net benefits to the taxpayer by £2.3 billion, the Department now maintains that the net benefits of the programme have not changed significantly from the £20 billion quoted in its 2015 outline business case. The Department rejected the recommendation we made in February 2016 that it should explain how the business case has changed following changes in policy to Universal Credit and other working age benefits, on the grounds that revising a business case takes four months. However the Department told us that it does have ready-reckoners and is able to model the effect of changes quickly, suggesting that it should have been able to accept our recommendation without causing disproportionate extra work.

Recommendation: We reiterate our previous recommendation that the Department should set out clearly the changes to the business case for Universal Credit since its outline business case in 2015. It should include a brief summary of the policy changes and, using its ready-reckoners, a clear explanation of the impact on the programme’s costs and benefits.

3.Systems underpinning Universal Credit are still underdeveloped and there are signs of pressure on staff. We welcome the fact that the Department has changed its mind and has now accepted our recommendations and those made by the previous Committee concerning the need for better contingency planning. But the Department still has a long way to go before systems will be ready to scale up Universal Credit significantly; we heard, for example, that only 25% of claims in the new full service are paid automatically. We also received written evidence that staff are concerned about the lack of training and the pressures of work preventing adequate testing and learning within the new service.

Recommendation: Before the speed at which Universal Credit is rolled out is increased, the Department should ensure that there are sufficient opportunities for staff to engage in testing and learning processes, and set out for the Committee what it has done to address staff concerns. The Department should write to the Committee to inform it of action taken by May 2017.

4.Universal Credit’s rigid monthly assessment period causes difficulties for claimants whose pay or rent are based on four-weekly periods. Claimants whose pay or rent cycle does not match the monthly assessment period used for Universal Credit may experience difficulties, such as a drop in payment without warning. Similar issues arise when people are paid early for Christmas. The Department’s only solution appears to be to try and persuade employers and landlords to change their pay and rent practices, rather than seeking to make its own systems more flexible. With the number of employees and landlords the former is unlikely to be feasible.

Recommendation:The Department should ensure that claimants whose pay or rent cycles do not align with Universal Credit assessment periods are made aware of this issue and the potential consequences, and are informed of what support is available should this be needed. The Department should also examine what it can do to adapt its systems to cater for these circumstances or provide more information about what it is doing to secure change with employers and landlords.

6.The Department for Work & Pensions’ understanding of the level and causes of fraud and error in Universal Credit and some other benefits is incomplete, potentially undermining efforts to reduce losses. While the Department expects Universal Credit to reduce fraud and error overpayments by £1 billion a year when it is fully rolled out, initial estimates indicate that the level is currently higher than the Jobseeker’s Allowance that it is replacing. The Department attribute this to the difficulty of developing a suitable methodology to measure fraud and error in Universal Credit, as the new benefit is designed to support both those in work as well as those out of work, and to cases where the Department was unable to contact claimants to verify the payment made. The Department does not regularly measure fraud and error across all its other benefits; for example, fraud and error in the payment of Carer’s Allowance has not been measured for 20 years.

Recommendation: The Department for Work & Pensions should: establish and agree with the National Audit Office a robust method for estimating Universal Credit fraud and error; and undertake regular risk assessments to improve its understanding of the causes of fraud and error in those benefits where it has not been measured for some time or at all.

Our conclusion: there are problems about

  • “In-work conditionality” is “at a very early stage of development”:  that is they have no clear idea of what the hell it means and what the rules are.
  • There are new opportunities for – sanctions and “financial penalties”.
  • The system is not yet ready to cope with all claims.
  • Both potential Fraud and Error are a greater problem now for those on Universal Credit (” initial estimates indicate that the level is currently higher than the Jobseeker’s Allowance..”)
  • Rent and Pay cycles are not aligned with Universal Credit so that, claimants may “experience difficulties, such as a drop in payment without warning.”

Ho, ho ho!


Written by Andrew Coates

November 6, 2016 at 1:16 pm

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  1. Hi,
    Is there a concerted and co-ordinated national plan of action to fight this DWP onslaught? I thought the costs involved and the sheer hardship entailed might have reversed some of their attacks, but they seem to be gathering pace and enthusiasm. What are we doing about it? Is there any direct activity to support claimants? Please let me know. I live in Liverpool and would gladly get involved

    Rachelle Mcevilly

    November 6, 2016 at 1:56 pm

  2. There’s a mass of detail in the post, I summarised it at the end.

    Yes, there’s a lot wrong with Universal credit and I hope people more widely will take note.

    Andrew Coates

    November 6, 2016 at 3:52 pm

  3. Here’s an example of in-work conditionality fucking up someone’s life.

    A mother of two children work 30 hours a week, in a job she loves, locally meaning that she can walk to work and has no travelling expenses. Also, because she remains near to home, she can meet her two children from school and take her son to swimming practice and daughter to a dance class.

    She has a nice work-life balance.

    The Jobcentre forces her to apply for a 34 hour minimum wage position in a city ten miles away which she gets. Now she has to spend forty minutes on a train every day travelling to work and back, which means leaving early to be able to get to work on time. Her return ticket costs her £4.20. So she gains four hours work on the minimum wage, 4 x £7.20 = £28.70, but her daily journey costs her 5 x £4.20 = £21.00, so she’s only £7.70 per week better off before losing 65% of that because she’s on Universal Credit meaning that with a much longer day and a lot of travelling and inconvenience at the end of the day she’s a mere £2.69 better off for her trouble and can no longer meet her children after school or take them to their sport and dance classes.

    Her life has been completely fucked and all she has gained is £2.69 per week.

    This is the kind of nightmare that will happen if Jobcentres get pissy and apply in-work conditionality full force.

    (Which we all know they will in order to try to meet impossible targets.)

    There will be Daniel Blakes AND Danielle Blakes aplenty in this Brave New World.


    November 6, 2016 at 4:51 pm

    • Actually Concrete you and DWP are wrong.

      You see a person working 30 hours on NLW brings home £11’232 per year before tax and NIC. A person working 34 hours on NLW brings home £12’730 per year before tax and NIC.

      Now after tax and NIC has been deducted the 30 hour job brings home £10’804.86 where as the 34 hours brings home £11’823.60.

      The gain from 30 to 34 hours at this point is £1’018.74 per year BUT spending £21 a week on travel amounts to £1’092

      This MEANS the CLAIMANT is ACTUALLY OUT OF POCKET to the tune of £73.26 per year or £1.41 a week.

      So in this instance DWP were WRONG to assert the claimant and country would benefit from it. The only one that gained was the travel suppler and government.


      November 7, 2016 at 12:13 pm

      • Thanks, Doug. And I believe the hypothetical lady would have to pay for prescriptions and dentistry too! So much for Universal Credit “incentivising” the unemployed to move into work. Presumably as there is no real carrot in-work conditionality is being brought in to compel people to seek new jobs, or more hours, or several jobs to get past the 35 hour a week demand. It’s not going to happen is it?


        November 7, 2016 at 1:06 pm

      • DID YOU KNOW

        DWP cant legally stipulate how a claimant gets to work meaning if you were to state your not wasting money on buses or trains that there’s NOTHING DWP can do to the contrary.

        The most and only thing DWP can ask for is that you are prepared to walk to work and as we know, foot,train or bus, you cant be expected to travel to work more than one and a half hours (90min). The usual walking pace is 3.1MPH meaning a person will only get 4.65 mile in 90 minutes. But even that is uninterrupted meaning once you add traffic lights, z crossings, people, traffic, up hill, down hill, not being able to directly walk a straight path to work we move to around 4 miles or a little bit more.

        4 miles or even 4.5 miles is local so all DWP can expect is that you take a local job and are prepared to walk to said local job. DWP cant tell you how you should spend your wages, cant tell you, you must take a train or bus unless the job is self employed and you can claim back said expenses which you cant as a PAYE employee, even for an agency.

        The main principle behind in-work conditionality is so the claimant gains financially and NOT a bus or train company or government. In the case brought by Concrete, this person would have only gained if the 34 hour job had been local and not extra travel arrangements were warranted.

        What causes possibly more concern is what about the existing job. You see DWP cannot tell you to give up a job so had the claimant said they intended to keep it and find a second, DWPs option would have been limited indeed to say the least.



        If your a working claimant of tax credits/child tax credits, child benefit and or housing benefit, this is how you calculate whether or not a second or replacement job is worth it.

        Before you can calculate that second or replacement job you MUST FIRST DEDUCT YOUR TAX AND NIC deductions and its not hard to either.

        Your allowance before paying any taxes (what you can earn upto) is £11’000 per year which means anything you earn above this amount can have 20% deducted. £11’000 broken down into weeks is £211.54 a week

        Your allowance before paying any national insurance contributions (NIC)(what you can earn upto) is £8’060 per year which means anything you earn above this amount can have 12% deducted. £8’060 broken down into weeks is £155 a week.



        A person works 34 hours a week at a rate of £7.20 a hour.

        Well 34 x £7.20 = £244.80 a week. £244.80 X 52 = £12’729.60 per year.

        Now this £12’729.60 per year is your gross (before deductions) so now we must deduct TAXES and NIC to find your net (what you have after deductions).

        Well currently the Taxable allowance states a person can earn upto £11’000 per year before paying TAXES to the government. This means if you earn less than then you will pay no tax for that year.

        Now we know this person has over £11’000 so we do the following,
        £12’729.60 – £11’000 = £1’729.60.

        Now we have deducted our tax allowance, comes the second part of taxes in that what can government actually take. Well currently in the UK at this level its 20% so what we do next is find out what is 20% of £1’729.60.

        £1’729.60 %(divide) 100 = £17.296 or rounded £17.30. NOW we multiply this figure by the taxable amount of 20%

        £17.30 x 20 = £345.92. This is what gets deducted from your gross BUT for now we are going to put it to one side and begin NIC deductions.

        Well currently the NIC allowance states a person can earn upto £8’060 per year before paying NIC to the government. This means if you earn less than then you will pay no NIC for that year.

        So now we go back to our gross figure of £12.729.60 and deduct the following,
        £12’729.60 – £8’060 = £4’669.60.

        Now we have deducted our NIC allowance, comes the second part of contribution in that what can government actually take. Well currently in the UK at this level its 12% so what we do next is find out what is 12% of £4’669.60.

        £4’669.60 %(divide) 100 = £46.696 or rounded, £46.70

        £46.70 x 12 = £560.35. This is what gets deducted from your gross.

        So now we ADD both deductions together then subtract them from our gross of £12’729.60

        £345.92 + £560.35 = £906.27 (deductions amounts of both tax and NIC combined).

        £12’729.60 – £906.27 = £11’823.33 per annum after tax and NIC deductions.

        ALL TO OFTEN claimants don’t make these critical deductions when considering extra employment or a replacement job under the conditions of our welfare reform and particularly the in-work conditionality.

        If you already have one job,done the deductions above and are looking at a second it gets easier as now you can forget allowances and apply from the get go the 20% and 12% deductions (32%).

        So imagine the second job is for 4 hours and pays £7.20 a hour.
        £7.20 x 4 = £28.80

        £28.80 %(divide) 100 = £0.288
        £0.288 x 32 = £9.22 (rounded)

        So after deductions this job brings home £19.58 for 4 hours work at a rate of £7.20 a hour.





        November 7, 2016 at 1:45 pm

      • Just to reply to your latest post concrete, you pay more taxes than just basic income tax and NIC.

        Yes you have to pay for prescriptions and dentistry but whats more important is a topic known as VAT.

        If we talk most shopping then you pay the government a further 20% VAT ontop of your other tax. On certain special items like utility bills,baby seats,etc then its 5% and 0% if its most foods and children’s clothes. By law businesses have to list what VAT they charged on your receipt so this will help you calculate it yearly.

        Then theres insurance, another form of tax like mobile phone insurance,house and contents insurance,car insurance,etc.

        Despite this though DWP wont allow people to consider such as a deduction so stick to income tax,NIC and travel costs. Combined with hours of the day available after your first employment between jobs and break laws will be more than enough with a bit of science on required sleep,average pace,etc to KEEP DWP FIRMLY AT THE DOOR.


        November 7, 2016 at 2:00 pm

      • And the person mentioned would have to pay most of her Council Tax too. Don’t forget that.


        November 7, 2016 at 2:10 pm

  4. Isn’t it about time David Freud was given his marching orders? In the private sector anybody as useless and hopeless as Freud would have been sacked without a reference ages ago, yet in government a waste of space like Freud is ennobled in order for him to act as a government minister despite the fact he wasn’t elected. This particular meddler has been a catastrophe. Can’t somebody push him under the wheel of a bus or something?


    November 6, 2016 at 4:56 pm

    • I would like to stick a shovel in his hand and make him use it until he croaks ,preferably in a forced labour camp in Siberia 😈.


      November 6, 2016 at 5:53 pm

  5. A House of Commons briefing paper released a few days ago asked “Can PRIVATE landlords refuse to let to Housing Benefit claimants? It’s the wrong question and why did they not ask …

    Can SOCIAL landlords refuse to let to Housing Benefit claimants

    …. as that is precisely what is happening right now and will become the norm due to the Overall Benefit Cap (OBC) policy.


    news seeker

    November 7, 2016 at 11:19 am

  6. Facts and figures from the DWP.

    Tory MSP Adam Tomkins caught out using discredited statistics to defend the UK Government’s cruel benefit sanctions regime.


    news seeker

    November 7, 2016 at 12:31 pm

    • I and others spend a large chunk of our free time going through government and others figures, even demonstrated how their formed,work and can be manipulated.

      So this continued behavior by our government does not surprise me in the least as lies, re working the equation and dodgy figures is all they have in the basket that i and others openly EXPOSE every month.

      As all things though, claimants and the public have to expose these deliberate attempts to mislead everyone as we as a country are no where near as sure footed as our government claims they have made us.


      November 7, 2016 at 2:18 pm

      • If it wasn’t for people like you.

        news seeker

        November 7, 2016 at 4:47 pm

  7. It costs a millionaire less than a benefit claimant to make sure their affairs with government are in order.



    November 7, 2016 at 1:34 pm

  8. The truth about plans to allow councils to opt out of child protection laws.


    news seeker

    November 7, 2016 at 3:46 pm

  9. Government refuses to guarantee workers’ rights after Brexit.

    Workers’ in firms subject to future takeover could be under threat

    The Government has cast yet more uncertainty over whether workers will lose key employment rights after Brexit – including rules that protect employees during the takeover of British firms by foreign companies.

    Ministers this week refused to say whether the Acquired Rights Directive 2001/23/EC would be incorporated into British law after Britain leaves the bloc. The EU directive requires that companies bought out by other firms safeguard jobs of the workers in the taken over firm during takeovers.


    news seeker

    November 7, 2016 at 5:10 pm

    • Digital privacy under current data protection laws will be the next thing to be attacked.


      November 8, 2016 at 8:40 am

  10. IPBill The Investigatory Powers Bill will not receive royal assent for at least another week as the Houses of Parliament disagree on an amendment regarding the regulation of the press.

    Despite widespread concerns, the bill – popularly known as the Snoopers’ Charter – finished its passage through the House of Lords last week, but is now being batted back and forth between the Lords and the Commons over a controversial amendment that would coerce the press into joining a government-approved regulator.


    news seeker

    November 7, 2016 at 5:15 pm

  11. Andrew Coates

    November 7, 2016 at 5:16 pm

    • I rightly assumed it was, daniel blake needs to be written on the walls of every JC.

      news seeker

      November 7, 2016 at 5:19 pm

    • Now that’s what I call a dosshole 😝


      November 7, 2016 at 5:51 pm

  12. I doubt if that would stop them, the slaughter would continue regardless.


    November 7, 2016 at 5:44 pm

  13. The UN Report into UK Government maltreatment of disabled people has been published

    DPAC – 7th Nov 2016

    The long awaited report from the UN about our governments attacks on disabled people was published at 4pm today

    We will have a lot more to say about this in future posts but for now here are the summary of findings of the report:


    Summary of the findings

    A. General findings

    82. The facts submitted by the source were disputed by the State party. The Committee engaged in a verification exercise in which the facts that appeared to be controversial were cross-checked with data collected from a variety of sources, including parliamentary inquiries, reports of the independent monitoring body of the Convention, official statistics, reports and data originating from other government departments or units, entity governments, research institutes, service providers, academic centres, independent experts, former government officers, grass-roots non-governmental organizations, organizations of persons with disabilities and individuals. In some cases, some State party’s statements were not supported by evidence collected by the investigation. In others, the State party indicated that no data were available. The findings below are based on a comprehensive analysis of data provided by various sources.

    83. The State party launched, a considerable time ago, a major policy reform to the welfare system, aimed at reducing the fiscal deficit and achieving in 2020 a surplus in its balance of payments. Various policy documents and statements by high-level ranking officers have stated that this is the most fundamental policy change to the social protection system in recent decades. The stated goals of the policy are to transform British society from a low-wage, low-employment and high-welfare society to a high-wage, high-employment and low-welfare one. The policy makes the assumption that individuals are better off in work, dependency on benefits is in itself counterproductive and perpetuates poverty and beneficiaries of welfare benefits need to move into work both through improvement of incentives to employment and through a system of conditionality and sanctions. The policy intends that sectors of society who have been dependant on benefits move into work. It has also been stated that the policy aims at protecting those people who require more support or who are “most vulnerable”.

    84. Changes to the welfare system include the overhauling of a wide range of entitlements in several areas, including social and private housing sector, contributory and non-contributory benefits, tax credits and out-of-work and in-work benefits and have affected all segments of the population, including children, women, single parents, older persons and persons with disabilities. With regard to persons with disabilities, the reform resulted in the overhauling of major disability benefits, including means-tested benefits, income-maintenance benefits and benefits related to the specific and extra costs associated with disability. In the period covered by the inquiry, a large number of persons with disabilities have been requested to undergo capability assessments, with pre-implementation assumptions that a significant percentage would no longer rely on social allowances.

    85. The roll out of those policies included the issuing of statements by high-ranking officers that the reform was aimed at making the welfare system fairer to taxpayers and more balanced and transparent and reducing benefit fraud. Persons with disabilities have been regularly portrayed negatively as being dependent or making a living out of benefits, committing fraud as benefit claimants, being lazy and putting a burden on taxpayers, who are paying “money for nothing”. Although the State party produced evidence of formal efforts and public awareness campaigns to improve the image of persons with disabilities, the inquiry collected evidence that persons with disabilities continue to experience increasing hostility, aggressive behaviour and sometimes attacks to their personal integrity. The inquiry also found no substantiation of the alleged benefit fraud by persons with disabilities.

    86. Public sector equality duty obliges State authorities to carry out impact assessments when they plan to introduce measures, including legislative measures, to ensure that groups with protected characteristics, among them persons with disabilities, are properly consulted and any adverse impact on them is properly justified. The State party submitted evidence that it has complied with domestic legal duties for all the intended changes to the welfare system. The inquiry collected evidence that a major piece of legislation of the welfare reform, the Welfare Reform Act 2012, was not thoroughly compliant with those requirements. Similarly, a court of law found that the decision to close the Independent Living Fund was not in compliance with domestic equality duty, which compelled the authorities of the State party to carry out another equality assessment. The inquiry also collected evidence that the views of persons with disabilities and their representative organizations who had participated in consultations launched by the State party, were not meaningfully taken into account in the decision-making and had little or no influence on policy decisions.

    87. Although the State party asserted that a cumulative impact assessment of the various policy measures affecting persons with disabilities was not technically feasible or practicable, the evidence collected by the inquiry indicates that a cumulative impact assessment could have been conducted with the data and information available in the State party.

    88. The Committee observes that various pieces of legislation related to recent welfare policies do not fully enforce the international human rights framework related to social protection and independent living. In connection thereto, it was observed that in the field of social protection, persons with disabilities have not been properly considered as right-holders and entitled to benefits with regard to their right to social protection. Similarly, while the Care Act 2014 reflects the principles of well-being of persons with disabilities and underlines the objective of personalization of support packages, it fails to properly acknowledge the elements of autonomy and control and choice, which are intrinsic to the right to independent living as referred to in article 19 of the Convention.

    89. The Committee observes the prevalence of the medical approach in assessment procedures for determining the eligibility of persons with disabilities to entitlements. The main assessment procedure for determining eligibility for out-of-work benefits resulted in persons with disabilities being classified as either unable to perform work-related activity, having limited capability to work or fit to work. The above-mentioned assessment failed to take in account the support persons with disabilities need to perform a job or the complex nature of some impairments and conditions, or reflect the human rights-based approach to disability.

    90. The Committee observes that persons with disabilities who have undergone functional assessments aimed at determining their eligibility for social benefits felt that they were merely processed rather than being listened to or understood. The inquiry was informed that several measures have been adopted to make adjustments to procedures to improve service delivery, including the time frame for the assessment procedures, and ensure a better understanding of the diversity of persons with disability by assessors. The evidence collected from various sources indicates that the needs, views and personal history of persons with disabilities, and particularly those requiring high levels of support such as persons with intellectual and/or psychosocial disabilities, were not properly taken into account or given appropriate weight in the decisions affecting them.

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    November 7, 2016 at 6:01 pm

  14. UN report defends disabled people against Tory policy; Tory newsrag attacks it with nonsense

    VoxPolitical – 6th Nov 2016

    The Heil on Sunday is spearheading the Tory government’s campaign against the United Nations over a report attacking Conservative policy on people with disabilities. Unfortunately for both the newsrag and the government that leaked the information to it, their arguments are nonsense.

    A draft of the report has been leaked to Heil reporters, two weeks in advance of its publication, along with an indication of the Tory response. We may therefore assume that it was leaked by Damian Green or one of his – for want of a better word – team.

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    November 7, 2016 at 6:04 pm

  15. Time for the UK to leave the UN – Lets have a referendum to leave the UN !!!

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    November 7, 2016 at 6:09 pm

  16. Vote YES to leave the UN # Vote NO to stay in the UN.

    Rupert Murdoch`s only option !!! Daily Propaganda !!!

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    November 7, 2016 at 6:12 pm

  17. This might be an interesting read for some.

    “Positive affect as coercive strategy: conditionality, activation and the role of psychology in UK government workfare programmes”



    November 8, 2016 at 8:51 am

    • Yes, a bit academic but very sound.

      “The participation of psychology and psychologists in the delivery of coercive goals in welfare reform clearly raises ethical questions. “

      Andrew Coates

      November 8, 2016 at 12:30 pm

      • You note that the paper criticises and casts huge doubt on things like workfare, conditionality, and psychological intervention as ethical and effective means to get people into gainful employment which benefits both them as individuals and society in general. None of the things being done by the DWP are based on reputable science and statistics backed up by unbiased evidence but more on personal opinion and persuasion, faith, and belief than anything else.

        Government and the DWP in particular have become cults.

        (Led by people best described by the last word in the sentence above with the “l” replaced by an “n”.)


        November 8, 2016 at 1:45 pm

  18. No let up.

    Ministers refuse to backdown on benefits cut for poor families despite Brexit price rises

    Food companies have announced higher prices just as a new lower cap on benefits comes into force.


    news seeker

    November 8, 2016 at 10:14 am

  19. Trussell Trust Foodbanks To Hand Out More Food Parcels Than Ever Before. More than 188,500 of food parcels went to children. 08/11/2016 00:02

    Foodbanks are on course to hand out more parcels than ever before as anti-poverty campaigners blame benefit delays and changes as the biggest reasons for the rise.

    Between April and September 2016, Trussell Trust foodbanks across the UK distributed 519,342 three-day emergency food supplies to people in crisis compared to 506,369 during the same period last year.

    More than 188,500 of these parcels were to children, the charity said.

    The figures mean that the Trussell Trust’s foodbank network is on course to hand out the highest number of parcels in its 12-year history in 2016/17.


    Andrew Coates

    November 8, 2016 at 12:27 pm

    • Now one needs a mini bank statement and proof of ones need for food at C.A.B.

      The need for food is only going to rise.

      news seeker

      November 8, 2016 at 12:50 pm

  20. I Am Proud To Say That Work Has Set Me Free


    Firstly Simon Stevens like so many politicians have this Nazi comparison stuff ALL WRONG.

    Its not about the Nazis or even Hitler BUT ABOUT EUGENICS GERMANY POST 1900. You see this Simon Stevens failed to explore this topic as had he had done so wouldn’t have wrote the crap he did.

    At the turn of the 1900s Eugenics became very popular and was openly practiced in Great Britain,America and of course Germany. For 33 years Germany killed and experimented on anyone who was not considered the perfect genes. This meant anyone workshy, deformed,disabled,drug or alcohol dependent,trouble maker,criminal, wrong culture, homosexual sexuality and much later religion were gathered up and thrown into special places called killing centers. If that was not bad enough it later moved onto incriminating their family if they had one and saw there children forcibly removed and taken away to the centers.

    Now without going into to much detail there was a particular center called Hartheim where the Germans spent decades apart from other really cruel practices, using the disabled to perfect the very gassing technique later used on the Jews.

    All that happened when Hitler took charge is that it moved from Eugenics to Genocide, from killing center to a various assortment of concentration camps and in short, Hitler attempted to take his ideology global.
    Now whats additionally important here is that Hitler was the byproduct of this Eugenics and obviously as he was alive, seen as the perfect human so no wonder he had such grandiose an idea.

    The mistake this Simon Steven,politicians and even media alike made the mistake of not going back in time enough and drew deliberate attention to facts not relevant. In Stevens case Jews weren’t the ONLY ones to suffer under the hands of Hitler and this was an action of a country so infact on the hands of Germany as one man couldn’t have done what he did without the followers.

    Ive shamed many a politician and media who dared talk this rubbish so it beggars belief an Independent Disability Issues Consultant would further dish this crap in order to win false favor by misinterpreting the truth that is recorded history.

    For the record though, although as i state and history proves it extends from post 1900 eugenics there are still parallels towards 1933 Germany till the end of the war. The T-4 Euthanasia Program (Action 14f13), the very sad practice of selecting prisoners in concentration camps for execution. Now Action 14f13 was called Sonderbehandlung which in English means special treatment and was designed to cull the sick, elderly and those deemed no longer fit for work from the rest of the prisoners in a selection process. Now it isn’t hard once you replace the death part to see a glaring similarity between work capability assessment and sanctions.

    I think what really nails this governments fascist approach was when they made the mistake of using the word workshy, a word invented by Germany post 1900 but ultimately, you only have to read up the topic of SHOCK DOCTRINE, a practice that was used by Hitler among other well known fascists, to know our current government are working no differently except this time instead of costly executions, there actually driving people to death and suicide and all without fences.


    November 8, 2016 at 1:01 pm

  21. Food glorious food




    Call it what you will but one thing for sure is mainstream media have now become less supportive of this government driving the countries public services into the ground. Even the most vocal are more aware than they were before as public trust in both government and mainstream media plummets and the emergence of alternate media grows in the hundred of millions and globally in the billions.


    November 8, 2016 at 1:51 pm

    • “The danger is that – even as these cuts hit – they will remain abstractions, headlines to goggle at and then turn the page. Those most badly affected can all too easily be ignored. But the failure to invest in a country’s future means we will all increasingly suffer the consequences. We are beginning to see what some of them are”

      It’s only a matter of time.

      news seeker

      November 8, 2016 at 2:06 pm

  22. Accountable, efficient, innovative: the future of county councils – a changing world.


    news seeker

    November 8, 2016 at 2:33 pm

  23. Taskforce launches criminal and civil investigations into Panama Papers. really.

    More than 30 individuals and companies are under active investigation for criminal or serious civil offences linked to tax fraud and financial wrongdoing uncovered by the Panama Papers Taskforce partners, with hundreds more under detailed review.


    news seeker

    November 8, 2016 at 2:36 pm

  24. Digital Economy Bill. A code of practice on Public Service Delivery, Fraud and Debt;

    it will allow the Government to identify those in fuel poverty and provide financial support to those most in need. It will also clamp down hard on benefit fraud.

    The codes of practice are drawn from, and should be read in accordance with, the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO) code of practice on data sharing, which provides the framework for how the Data Protection Act applies.


    news seeker

    November 8, 2016 at 2:41 pm

    • What a load of old tosh don’t you think news reader ?

      What is a government that lets face it only just picked up the book titled an idiots guide to PCs only yesterday going to do against someone with 30 plus years I.T experience. Their already being ripped off by all and sundry in the I.T trade so i suppose this will be another venture designed to be farmed out to a private company to oversee. With the sheer never going to stop rising cybercrime and an endless name of super large and famous companies and government departments already infiltrated multiple times globally (just ask the CIA,NSA and FBI all successfully infiltrated), you would think governments and even people would give up this silly notion that any government or organization can prevent it by now but OH NO.

      You see the great thing about about computers and net is, the one with the biggest army and most missiles does not reign supreme. Its the one who can think outside the box that does and that sort of person would never ever work for a government as why when you can have them eating out of your hands.


      November 8, 2016 at 7:50 pm

      • And there will be an ’employer’ or too, somewhere running a bot and taking a data dump of all the personal and sensitive information that jobseekers are being forced and coerced against their better judgement to upload to the sanction monster known as universal jobmatch. It is best to assume that any data that you have uploaded to ujm is now in the hands of scammers and fraudsters, and could well end up on the ‘dark web’. And of course Monster (who operate ujm), the DWP/Jobcentre, your cock roach all absolve themselves from responsibility if anything untoward happens to you or your data as a result of ujm – remember, it was in the Terms & Conditions you signed up to when you registered an account with ujm.

        Another Poster

        November 9, 2016 at 1:14 am

      • Can the Jobcentre compel anyone to make their CV public? It doesn’t seem right to me that a person’s name, address, phone number, email address, educational and past work history etc., should be on view for anyone posing as an employer to view and harvest. If a Work Coach “direction” contravenes a person’s rights under data protection laws can refusal to obey such a direction lead to a sanction? If the law states that you can keep your data private how can the DWP sanction you for exercising that right?


        November 9, 2016 at 8:43 am

      • You would need to ask our resident expert, doug if the jobcentre can compel you to make your CV public, but one thing is for sure the jobcentre will tell you that you MUST make your CV public.

        Jobcentre User

        November 9, 2016 at 1:18 pm

      • And for some unknown reason ujm also records in the ‘activity log’ every time you switch your CV from public/private. And for some other unknown reason the ‘activity log’ also records this as searchable/non-searchable. To disguise what is being recorded? And you can bet your bottom dollar that jobseekers up and down the country are being threatened with sanctions if they make their CV private.

        Jobcentre User

        November 9, 2016 at 1:22 pm

      • And you can’t delete/edit entries in the ‘activity log’ either. For yet some other unknown reason ujm lacks this most basic of basic features.

        Jobcentre User

        November 9, 2016 at 1:23 pm

      • The problem is that the jobcentre cock roach will just put their fingers in their ears as the hapless jobseeker protests about “the Data Protection Act”. The cock roach will just raise a doubt which stops the jobseeker’s money instantly. The jobseeker can of course ask for a ‘mandatory reconsideration’ but this will also sling the jobseeker the rubber ear and conveniently ignore the DPA and follow the DWP’s twisted logic: “I can see no reason why a person who is genuinely and actively seeking employement would seek to disallow employers access to their CV. I have not changed the decision.” And the jobseeker has to Appeal to a Tribunal and present the DPA ‘evidence’ to the Tribunal. And when they win, which they probably will, the damage dew to the sanction will already have been done.

        Jobcentre User

        November 9, 2016 at 1:39 pm

      • The jobcentre just hit the ‘SANCTION’ button. There is someone over on ‘another forum’ who has just been sanctioned for not providing job search evidence to the ‘work programme’ ‘provider’ Ingeus even though the DWP’s own guidance clearly states that you do not need to provide job search evidence to the ‘work programme’.

        INGEUS = SCUM!!

        INGEUS = SCUM!!

        November 9, 2016 at 4:25 pm

      • DWP policy

        A Work Programme provider may ask you to provide evidence of your job search as part of their support they give you but they cannot mandate you to provide it and you will not be sanctioned if you do not provide it.


        INGEUS = SCUM!!

        November 9, 2016 at 4:33 pm

  25. Mr. King is a holocaust denier which should give a potential reader most if not all of the information needed to decide whether or not to read THE BAD WAR. I began this book with considerable scepticism but determined to give Mr. King a fair hearing. I discovered that he makes many controversial claims without offering any proof at all. He does not even offer reasonable, logical arguments which would support his positions circumstantially. Asserting a thing does not make it so. The text also contains pejorative terms for describing those whom he paints as villains. For instance he refers to British prime minister Benjamin Disraeli variously as devious Disraeli, dirty Disraeli and globalist-Zionist Disraeli. He calls Winston Churchill a raving, warmongering lunatic and a drunkard. Adolf Hitler on the other hand is a talented painter and a wise, benign, tolerant leader.

    This stuff reads like the pamphlets, newspapers and books distributed in the 1960’s and 70’s by the Klan, the Nazis and other fascists groups. I should know. I read a ton of it given to me by people trying to recruit me and another ton when I was just trying to keep track of the fringe groups. The authors back then offered no more proof than does King in this book.

    King is crazily anti-Semitic and attempts to promulgate anti-Semitism by espousing anti-Semitic mythology.

    Only idiots, goons and loons believe that this “New World Order” bollocks is factual rather than mythological.

    You could manure roses with shite like this.


    November 8, 2016 at 3:30 pm

    • I removed the racist ‘Marie’s’ comments, what this has to do with unemployment issues is beyond me, but we have an anti-racist policy.

      Andrew Coates

      November 8, 2016 at 5:07 pm

  26. Those fuckers over at ‘black triangle’ are really fucking nauseating the way they are attempting to hijack the grotesque murder of David Clapson and manipulate his death at the hands of the DWP for their own selfish ends.

    In a ‘black triangle’ ‘utopia’ where there was no sanctions for ‘disabled people’ i.e. those claiming ESA; the David Clapsons of this world would still be being sanctioned and left to die, and ‘black triangle’ wouldn’t give a flying fuck so long as the ESA group were ‘protected’.

    And what’s this all about: “WinVisible won exemption from the face-to-face Work Capability Assessment (WCA) exam for many vulnerable women, and helped restore benefit to disabled women cut off for “failure to attend”.” So it should only be men that are sanctioned? Like David Clapson, eh?

    ‘Black Triangle’ ‘campaigning’ efforts, however, don’t appear to be amounting to diddly-squat since “on 1 November the government launched a “Work, health and disability: improving lives” green paper at disability charity Scope, which includes the proposal to make everyone subject to sanctions, including sick and disabled people in the Support Group who are currently protected.” Well tough titties!

    ‘Campaigning’ groups such as ‘black triangle’ don’t give a fuck about the unemployed, those on jobseeker’s allowance who are bearing the brunt of the Government’s onslaught on welfare, and who are literally being left destitute, but who cares so long as the ESA group and women are ‘protected’.

    It is the world of George Orwell’s ‘Do It To Julia’. Black Triangle is acting like the middle-classes in the way they hijack other groups, pretend to be a friend of the poor and then shut up shop once their objectives are achieved. If the Government ceded to ‘black triangle’s demands they would put down their placards as quickly as you could say “free money for life” and shut up shop. The David Clapsons of this world would be left to fend for themselves.

    Anyway, good luck to Gill Thompson, David Clapson in bringing the bastard Government to book. And thank Goodness for sites such as Ipswich UNEMPLOYED Action.

    Do It To Julia

    November 8, 2016 at 4:50 pm

    • If a government and the UK public can treat an ex serviceman like that, you just know what they must think of the public that have never served/worked (public service) for there country.

      You would think Ian Duncan Smith an ex serivceman himself would be up in arms about this treatment to a fellow soldier but he cared not one bit. I can only imagine IDS was pretty much bullied in the service, a laughing stock even as if you notice, he never recants which is so not military like.


      November 8, 2016 at 8:06 pm

  27. Andrew Coates

    November 8, 2016 at 4:59 pm

  28. Thank you very much Marie for the recommendation but why exactly would i need to read such a book, shouldn’t you be saying media and politicians should be reading such material or as i think do a hell of a lot more research before casting opinions and comparisons.


    November 8, 2016 at 5:42 pm

    • Doug, I got the impression you were interested in WW2, thought you would find it interesting that’s all ☺


      November 8, 2016 at 5:56 pm

      • Thanks Marie but im of a generation that grew up with parents who were young during WW2 not to mention grandparents who fought an lived through it all. What was particular interesting about my family is that even though i was born in the UK, both were actually European. The one i wish to draw attention too however is my German side as not only were they directly living in the motherland, they could quote German history let alone the rise of Hitler without any effort or book needed.
        On top, back in my older youth i did an entire piece of work and thesis on WW2 as part of a qualification and had the luxury of endless pieces of recorded military reports/history and intelligence of the time throughout Europe (Great Britain and European archives) so coupled with what i learn’t from my family while growing when they would often recant do consider myself some what knowledgeable on the topic from the European perspective of the war.

        I wouldn’t say i was fascinated, just fortunate and well read on the topic.


        November 8, 2016 at 7:10 pm

  29. Debenhams can afford to pay their staff a decent wage, there’s no need for stinking workfare, it’s disgusting.


    November 8, 2016 at 5:52 pm

    • Thanks Poster, i knew he was about to do one but didn’t know the date.

      Much appreciated.


      November 8, 2016 at 8:07 pm

    • Thanks for that Poster.

      news seeker

      November 9, 2016 at 12:03 pm

  30. Donald Trump is President of the United States. The world truly has gone insane. Goodnight and good luck.


    November 9, 2016 at 8:36 am

  31. Wrong, wrong and wrong and im not talking Trump

    Yet again the polls were so wrong and this is precisely what i mean in how statistics don’t imply the real picture. Like Brexit, it was a time of underestimation, mass propaganda by mainstream media especially CNN and woeful lies by Obama but despite all those nudges, Trump romped to victory.

    I didn’t view this vote on mainstream, i watched it on alternate media like drudge but none the less had the other American mainstream media on my multiple screens and it was amazing to see how mainstream media refused for so very long that Trump had won. I love this because global mainstream media are and have been biased against change and in the pockets of our governments and elite.

    The main question now is will Trump deliver on one particular promise and arrest and lock up Hillary Clinton.

    I must be honest however i hope Trump will stop this persecution of Julian Assange, Edward Snowdon and end the warrants and charges. I hope he Free’s Manning, all people who risked everything to give us the truth and don’t deserve the treatment they received by both American and our very own government.

    Now in an interview on alternate media with Farage, he expressed an interest in being Trumps ambassador to the UK and even though im not a SNP fan, i would like see UK governments face if they had to deal with Farage every time the interests were towards the states as it was him after all that brought us the right to a referendum on Brexit. Its probably more wishful thinking but who knows as he like Julian Assange was one of the people who helped (released emails) Trump to an easy victory despite the divisive and corrupt behavior of the democrats, mainstream media and the president Obama himself.


    November 9, 2016 at 11:33 am

    • How many time does Hillary Clinton have to be cleared of suspicion? Trump is a bully and a bullshitter. What actually has Hillary Clinton done that is so bad as to be worthy of incarceration? Didn’t the FBI just clear her of culpability in respect to emails and whatnot?


      November 9, 2016 at 12:10 pm

      • I suggest Harley you go start reading all those emails as your a late comer if all you have done is rely on mainstream media who have been biased against Trump day one.

        Youtube is awash with them with even Julian Assange himself (the man who gave us those emails Hillary tried so hard to lie about).

        You say hes a bully, can you be more specific ?


        November 9, 2016 at 12:21 pm

      • Well, Donald put his hand up my skirt and groped me through my underwear!

        Kathy Heller

        November 9, 2016 at 12:49 pm

      • Donald put his hand up my skirt and touched my vagina 😀 😀 😀 😀

        Kristin Anderson

        November 9, 2016 at 12:56 pm

      • Marie

        November 9, 2016 at 2:42 pm

      • @ pete

        Rather than supply you with any number of links I invite you to enter “Trump bully” into Bing or Google and read the large number of web pages referenced by such search. As of supposed leaked Clinton emails, well, if they’ve been aired in the public domain on Wikileaks and YouTube don’t you think that the FBI would be aware of them? And don’t you think that the American security forces would have used such material to accuse and charge Hillary Clinton with criminal activity if it were possible for them to do so. And isn’t it kind of weird that Donald Trump, after all he has said about Mrs Clinton, to include the following in his victory speech if the woman really was a criminal that he intends to prosecute and jail?

        “I’ve just received a call from Secretary Clinton. She congratulated us. It’s about us. On our victory, and I congratulated her and her family on a very, very hard-fought campaign.

        I mean, she fought very hard. Hillary has worked very long and very hard over a long period of time, and we owe her a major debt of gratitude for her service to our country.

        I mean that very sincerely.”

        Well, America is a representative democracy and a lot of Americans are pretty stupid and delusional so I suppose it’s only fair that eventually they elected a stupid and delusional crude, coarse and thuggish bully as President to rule over them. So many people started making inquiries about emigrating from America to Canada after Trump’s victory was announced that Canadian servers crashed DDOS like they do when attacked by botnets! Jesus! A six time bankrupt sexist and racist bully in the Oval Office at the White House and shit-kicker majorities in both the Senate and Congress.

        I’m so very glad that I’m not an American idiot!


        November 9, 2016 at 5:28 pm

      • Let me try to cheer you up, Harley.

        Four American Presidents have been assassinated (Abraham Lincoln, James A. Garfield, William McKinley, and John F. Kennedy) and a several others narrowly escaped being murdered (Andrew Jackson, William Howard Taft, Theodore Roosevelt, Herbert Hoover, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama). Furthermore Presidents Zachary Taylor and Warren G. Harding are rumoured to have been assassinated although the jury is out on whether thi is true or not.

        President Trump is against gun control.

        See where I’m going with this? In such a polarised America the political career of its 45th President might well be very much shorter than anybody thinks and come to an abrupt end much sooner than anybody thinks.

        Lee Harvey

        November 9, 2016 at 5:41 pm

      • I cant believe theirs still a person on this planet that didn’t know Hillary had her private email hacked.


        The FBI was well aware of the emails and the very fact not the FBI nor anyone in US government questioned there content proves there very real.


        Your be pleased to know wikileaks are still releasing them every week and will continue to for another 5 weeks.

        I looked up the phase trump bully,



        First off all the articles are from all the media who totally rallied Hillary throughout her running, the same people who made up all sorts of crap including rigging the polls to give the appearance Hillary was going to win right up till the very last few hours of the official notice TRUMP IS PRESIDENT speech. I must say this is the very first time ive ever seen only media companies making a single comment/attack on a person or subject so i thank you for that and will use all those pages in one of my upcoming online articles on one of my websites highlighting how media is biased and why no one but people such as yourself believe the crap they say and why like governments peoples trust in the main stream media is at a all time low and why millions and billions globally have been turning to alternate media for real news both the others cover up on a regular basis. Again it appears you didn’t know this either.

        That aside is that what you call bullying, you really shouldn’t be so weak. Should have guessed your one of those PC crowd all feeble and stuff.

        If you want to see a real bully then check Hillary out as that’s real intimidation and even her own security have witnessed and proved it as she treats everyone like shit. Its even been said shes had people killed but with protection as you must admit, how do you explain so many people surrounding Hilary or her husbands sexual antics mysteriously dying of all sorts of things. No im afraid its Hillary whose the real hardass as shes even according to her security guards attacked her very own husband.
        Look it up on Bing as we all know as was uncovered google deliberately censored certain phases regarding Hilary or did you not know that either. For easy read there’s like i said tons of videos on Youtube. Far to many people coming forward and not even her husband or Trump can rival that amount.


        November 9, 2016 at 8:36 pm

      • Oh i almost forgot Harley. I looked it up and in America there’s no time stature in this Hillary case so a person can be arrested untold times for the very same crime. Crazy but does explain it as i myself was mythed why she was re arrested the second time despite as i thought being officially cleared.
        I also suppose that’s what they mean when they say “at this time ” as those FBI and CIA types like to say.


        November 9, 2016 at 9:32 pm

      • The rather nutty conspiracy theorists Pete (Trump is a hero and Clinton a villain) and Marie (Nazis weren’t so bad, Jews are taking over the world, Clintons are murderous and evil all carpet chewingly crazy stuff and nonsense) haunting this site tickle me, honestly, as examples of persons who believe as facts what they feel is true rather than what is actually true based on the best evidence. (A bit like non-analytical religious people do.) More people voted for Hillary Clinton than voted for Trump and he only became President because of the weird electoral college system used in the States.

        It will be very interesting to see what happens when Trump fails to do most of the things he promised prior to being elected. For example: Mexico is not going to pay for a wall, hundreds of miles long, to be built to fence its citizens out of America; American corporation tax is not going to be lowered to 15% because if it was the American deficit would balloon by an order of several trillions of dollars as tax revenue gathered from American business plummets; Obamacare, like a basic rudimentary NHS for poor Americans, is going to be abolished meaning that five million poor Americans without private medical insurance will have no access to medical provision or health care; America is not going to have a trade war with China to protect American jobs because China owns 67% of American debt accrued by borrowing on the wholesale markets; Trump will also not be able to easily tear up trade treaties or bully other nations by slapping tariffs willy-nilly on good produced by other overseas without serious detriment to American exporters; no special prosecutor will look into Hillary Clinton’s affairs and the woman will never be tried and imprisoned for non-existent crimes; poor blue collar Americans will end up worse off under Trump than they would have under any other President. On the other hand there probably won’t be any military conflict between Russia and America because Trump will simply defer to Putin and have rings run around him by said individual.

        Very few of Trump’s pledges and promises are actually deliverable because they are not possible.

        On the other hand more intelligent, experienced and sane individuals surrounding Trump may quietly slip an invisible straight jacket and muzzle on him and manipulate him into behaving more like a statesman and pursue policies that won’t lead to economic disasters or wars breaking out all over the globe as the UN weakens, NATO dissolves, and America isolates itself from the rest of the world. Watch his speeches and language improve in leaps and bounds as professional advisors put their own polished and eloquent words into his mouth in the very near future.

        Poor America.

        A lunatic has finally taken over the asylum.


        November 10, 2016 at 8:49 am

      • We’re just back from a fortnight in Vagina 😀 😀

        Bill & Hillary Clinton

        November 10, 2016 at 11:10 am

      • Lucky you! 🙂 Vagina sounds like a nice place to go on holiday. 🙂 Imagine being only able to afford to go on vacation to some place like Penis 🙂 Penis, Hard Cock, Colorado 🙂

        The Tourists

        November 10, 2016 at 11:55 am

      • Is Vagina warm at this time of year, love? Suspect it may be warm any time of the year 🙂

        Doug's Old Granpa

        November 10, 2016 at 11:59 am

      • Marie, that’s not exactly the most flattering pics of the Clintons you have got up! Hillary hasn’t even had time to do her make-up! And Bill looks like a coke-head!


        November 10, 2016 at 12:03 pm

      • Donald put his hand up my skirt and touched my vagina through my knickers 🙂 🙂

        Andrew Coates

        November 10, 2016 at 5:23 pm

    • Andrew Coates

      November 9, 2016 at 12:16 pm

  32. Another worker not shirker committing welfare fraud


    Who said first, welfare cuts and draconian actions like sanctions would result in claimants committing crime just to get by ?



    November 9, 2016 at 11:59 am

  33. “Many people have seen Jobcentres as enforcement agencies, and their staff as police”

    news seeker

    November 9, 2016 at 12:28 pm

    • Got to keep those numbers down news reader as we cant have the public figuring out all our welfare reform did thus far was push people into poorly paid and unsecure work and make them just as reliant on welfare as they were when they were unemployed.


      November 9, 2016 at 1:05 pm

  34. Howdy 😀 😀 Told ya 😀 😀

    President Trump

    November 9, 2016 at 12:35 pm

    • Two down: Brexit – check, Donald Trump, President – check. One to go: Jeremy Corbyn, Prime Minister ??

      The Flying Pigs

      November 9, 2016 at 12:40 pm

      • Election 2020: Theresa May has now called it a night and congratulated Jeremy Corbyn who will soon be the new Prime Minister. What a night and what a stunning victory this has been for Corbyn as Labour sweeps to victory on an unprecedented landslide First we had Brexit, then we had President Donald Trump, now we have Prime Minister Jeremy Corbyn. Once again, how have the polls got it soooo wrooong? Well, it’s been a long night. Thank you for staying the course. Goodnight!

        Andre Neil the Flying Pig

        November 9, 2016 at 1:10 pm

      • Election 2020: Theresa May has now called it a night and congratulated Jeremy Corbyn who will soon be the new Prime Minister. What a night and what a stunning victory this has been for Corbyn as Labour sweeps to victory on an unprecedented landslide First we had Brexit, then we had President Donald Trump, now we have Prime Minister Jeremy Corbyn. Once again, how have the polls got it soooo wrooong? Well, it’s been a long night. Thank you for staying the course. Goodnight!

        Andrew Neil the Flying Pig

        November 9, 2016 at 1:10 pm

    • A day of victory for the politics of fear, loathing and division.

      Donald Trump’s victory marks the end of an era when a self-confident Establishment preached the end of history, the end of passion and the supremacy of a technocracy working on behalf of the 1%. But the era it ushers in is not new. It is a new variant of the 1930s, featuring deflationary economics, xenophobia and divide-and-rule politics.

      The Establishment’s folly is causing its demise. Unable to come to terms with the economic crisis they created, they crushed the Greek Spring because they could. They pushed the majority of British families into austerity-induced hopelessness. They committed millions of Germans to mini-jobs. They conspired to keep Bernie Sanders at bay. And when Golden Dawn, Brexit, the Alternative für Deutschland and Donald Trump were the result, they responded with a mixture of condescension, denial and panic.

      Politics is undergoing a shake-up that the world has not seen since the 1930s. A Great Deflation is now gripping both sides of the Atlantic, re-kindling political forces that had been dormant since the 1930s. President Trump’s use of Mussolini-like tactics and narratives is a mere symptom of the rendition of that bleak era.

      Not so funny.


      news seeker

      November 9, 2016 at 1:53 pm

    • I’d watch myself next time I drive through Dallas if I were you, Donny.

      Lee Harvey

      November 9, 2016 at 5:43 pm

      • Yeah, watch ot for the guy in the ‘book depository’ 😉

        Grassy Knoll

        November 9, 2016 at 6:21 pm

      • Yeah, watch out for the guy in the ‘book depository

        Grassy Knoll

        November 9, 2016 at 6:22 pm

  35. Damien Green refutes UN report while child poverty grows


    “However, Damian Green, the Work and Pensions Secretary, said cuts to support for disabled people did not necessarily mean worse outcomes.

    “The UN measures success as the amount of money poured into the system, rather than the work and health outcomes for disabled people,” he said.


    and at the time, figures on child poverty prove money matters and welfare cuts DO effect peoples lives.

    As for this work and health outcomes, what crap is that exactly ?


    November 9, 2016 at 12:51 pm

  36. lol at Theresa May: “I congratulate Donald Trump on his victory and look forward to building on our shared values of self-reliance, hard-work, initiative, thrift and enterprise.” 🙂

    Cloth Ears

    November 9, 2016 at 3:50 pm

    • When you meet President Trump I’d keep you hand on your ha’penny if I were you, Prime Minister. He seems to think that tictacs work on women like catnip does on cats. Suck all the mints you want, Donald, but they won’t stop you from sucking big time.

      Jessica Drake

      November 9, 2016 at 5:00 pm

      • Who on earth would want to touch that moth ball may Jessica Drake. I definitely think its just you that has those sexual desires towards her


        November 9, 2016 at 8:40 pm

      • Hey, boy. Don’t’cha know who I am? I’ll do anything that was born human, female, and is legal. If they’re still warm and gotta pulse, well, that’s a bonus although cold pack pussy is refreshin’ as a mint julep on a summer day. Be seein’ y’all.

        President Donald J. Trump the Magnificent

        November 10, 2016 at 11:22 am

  37. Post Office accounts to receive benefits are being phased out in 2018. You will need a bank account to continue claiming benefits.


    November 9, 2016 at 6:17 pm

  38. Only some Bedroom Tax court challenges succeed against draconian Tory cuts.

    An evil government that treats the severely handicapped like something out of a Dickens novel!



    November 9, 2016 at 6:47 pm

  39. US Election 2016: Markets meltdown fails to materialise


    Oh look and to think we were told the sky would fall in if Trump won. Now if i didn’t know better i could have sworn that happened somewhere else.


    November 10, 2016 at 12:19 am

    • Echoes of Brexit


      If Hillarys voters demonstrated one thing, it was how they obviously don’t understand what being democratic means. Already early this morning i posted how markets didn’t meltdown, an accusation made by Hillary pundits prior to the vote making the parallel between them and our Brexit very striking.

      What next, court cases ?


      November 10, 2016 at 8:53 am

      • Depends on what you mean by democracy, Doug. If you mean one man (or woman) has one vote and every voter’s ballot counts equally towards the final result then Hillary Clinton should now be President because more individuals voted for her in the Presidential election than did for Trump. Trump is only President now because of America’s weird and much criticised electoral college which Donald Trump himself once decried as “… a disaster for democracy.”


        Lee Harvey

        November 10, 2016 at 12:56 pm

      • No Lee Harvey, i meant true democracy as in rule by majority no matter the system involved which i agree the US has a messed up one but hey, Americans should have changed it ages ago instead of bitching now all because it didn’t go there way.

        What amazes me though Lee Harvey is that up until say 2015 (some say 2010 but not me) ive never seen such behavior after a vote like we all witness now. Take me i was a remainer but hey i got out voted, nothing new and has pretty much been the case for me my entire life but i didn’t take to the streets all because i lost. Yes British politics stinks but for me true democracy is more important. Now i know ours is a smoke screen one that’s overruled by the parliamentary one and that really does need to be changed but we must all have some founding core principles. Its sad to see so many people especially the young seem to want to ignore these founding core principles which will play into the hands of those who wish to get rid of democracy and tell you how its going to be and that’s that (dictatorship).


        November 10, 2016 at 2:37 pm

    • Obama remains President until January I believe. I wouldn’t be to hasty if I were you. Most of Trump’s ideas seem pretty bonkers to me. Especially in regard to climate change and forcibly deporting millions of foreign nationals out of the country, beginning “within hours” of Trump becoming President I believe it was. I wonder what Trump will do about Isis too. Bomb the shit out of them? Commit American troops to a ground war in Iraq? And how’s he going to rejuvenate the coal industry when the rest of the world is going green and renewable, including China? Build coal fired power stations up and down America? Start belching carbon monoxide into American skies and polluting his own people’s environment? He’s said all these things and raised impossible expectations. With nobody able to restrain or obstruct him he, personally, will be held accountable when he seen not to be able to deliver. I’m sorry America but once you touch the Devil you find you can’t let go.

      Jazzy Pea

      November 10, 2016 at 1:14 pm

      • You know half of what Trump said is never going to happen, especially the moment he gets in office and hes deluded if that’s how he thinks it all works which quite frankly i wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if he actually did as he has no political experience.

        As for war Hillary and Obama told the world Trumps in league with Russia so if we are to believe that, thats not going to happen unless your saying both Hillary and the American president are lying. Believe it or not Trumps actually very connected to the military and im not talking for the sake of the vote so hes more inclined not to put them in harms way. People don’t know this and media certainly didn’t want the public to know but Trump regularly visits American veterans and has done for many many years long before running for office. As for Isil and Iraq, Bush started it, Obama created the void so even if he did, the onus would still be on the first two but again Trump like so many others without military experience pre or post will soon learn terrorists are like a game of wack o mo.
        Not so long ago American government wanted boots on the ground in Syria and a no fly zone and it took a high ranking military officer to remind them that if you did that you would have to declare war on Russia. That’s how inexperienced politicians are in the art of war and trump wont be any different.

        As for climate change, Trump is just another politician who cant see beyond dollar signs so i don’t expect him to act any different to the others as lets not forget who really controls government interests.

        Personally i reckon Trump will achieve very little and at worst add to the countries deficit but hey that’s precisely what our very own government have been doing since 2010 and if im being honest, beyond.
        I really fancied Bernie for the job as i so wanted to see how a country transitions from capitalism to socialism as ive never seen it work that way but hey i didn’t get want i wanted so that’s that.


        November 10, 2016 at 3:33 pm

      • As it was said Trump is an actor.

        news seeker

        November 10, 2016 at 4:15 pm

      • If Trump is acting he’s got playing the role of a bigoted and moronic redneck arsehole off to a tee.


        November 11, 2016 at 9:18 am

  40. How Michael Moore perfectly predicted Donald Trump would win the US Presidency



    Michael Moore if you watch the full video said Brits didn’t think voting to leave Europe meant they actually had to leave Europe which we here all know simply isn’t true. He went on to say we are all crying in our cereals now when the truth is we all just wish our government would get off their lazy backsides and enact the article along with firstly telling us all how they intend to do it.

    I was a fan of Michael Moores work for many years but his sudden turncoat attitude and tall tales about us Brits has made me delete every single documentary i have of his that i have used in the past to show how free market capitalism and corporatism had destroyed industry to another showing us how certain practices in Europe countries could be adopted by other countries like free education as one example contained within it.


    November 10, 2016 at 9:09 am

    • I think Moore meant that most British people thought that the referendum as per whether to leave or remain in the EU would not actually end up in Great Britain leaving the EU. Moore was suggesting that most Britons thought the referendum was basically a way to kick back at elites and the powers that be without casting Britain adrift in a chaotic world by really leaving the greatest single market the world has ever seen. Cameron obviously thought this must be true or he wouldn’t have held the referendum and ended his own career in ignominy. I personally thought so because I rated the collective intelligence and good sense of the British as to high to be daft enough to do such a thing.

      Moore thought that the British thought that Brexit was really more of a chance to let off steam by way of a protest vote – more about being pissed off with politicians and elites than anything else – with enough of us being sensible enough, at the end of the day, to vote to keep our country within the EU if only for cold, hard and purely economic reasons.

      It’s a matter of semantics really.

      I have no idea yet what Brexit means or what kind of relationship with the EU, our biggest trading partner, it will lead to. The government has outlined nothing in respect to Brexit publicly and many suspect that at present has no coherent plan in respect to withdrawing from the EU. In my view until we know what we want, where we are going, and what is achievable – in short have a feasible and detailed plan – we shouldn’t trigger article 50.

      Let’s make sure we have a ripcord on the parachute before we jump out of the plane.

      And that we’re not in the middle of a shark infested ocean when we take the plunge!


      November 10, 2016 at 9:59 am

      • Oh come on Harley, Michael Moore is a great film maker and conveys what he says without the need for any interpretation. In this instance he was mocking us which is more than obvious in the tone in which he was saying it.

        We know because of that one media video not long down the road after the vote there was that couple remember who said they really didn’t think people would vote to leave so thought it wouldn’t hurt to vote leave. We also know , yes its a poll so i will only include it as a rough example, that a percentage did infact change there mind when asked if they were given the vote again. So we know where his source material comes from.
        We both know there’s two types of people, one who never takes things on face value, does the research, then the other that goes for the prettiest sounding words. The blame here if leavers allow me this one time use of the word blame, sits squarely on politicians and media for the latter group i just mentioned.


        November 10, 2016 at 8:16 pm

      • Thing is, Doug, democracy can only work properly when candidates seeking election and the parties they represent maintain at least a modicum of honesty and principle, otherwise the people whose support they covet won’t have any real idea as per what they’re like, believe in, stand for, or would do if elected.

        Both sides of the Brexit referendum lied through their teeth, but the leave side not only circled the drain but went down the plughole and out to sea. One lady I was speaking to before the referendum told me that she was going to vote leave because she was worried about the NHS, and wanted the money spent on EU contribution ploughed back into the NHS just as the leave campaign had promised. I tried but couldn’t convince her that this wasn’t true and that no money spend on EU subscriptions would go to the NHS if we left the EU and that after our currency got devalued and our economy slowly contracted over time less money would be available to spend on the NHS out of the EU than was available as a member of the EU. There is virtually no immigrants or foreign labour hereabouts where I live and yet people told me that they were voting Brexit to “get our country back” and “keep out foreigners” who were “milking the benefit system worse than home grown scroungers” or were “possible terrorists” or might “bring in AIDS” or other plagues which could infect the native population. This xenophobia could only have originated from scare stories in the media and promulgated by Brexiteers, like Nigel Farage, or already latent prejudice because there were no foreigners anywhere hereabouts to inspire it.

        Now the country is divorcing itself from a great nexus of power mostly because of misplaced fear, assorted myths and deliberate brazen untruths and lies.

        Donald Trump lied through his teeth throughout his campaign for the Presidency. He stirred up everything base and unworthy in the American character in order to win: Trump marks the lowest of some very low water marks in respect to Presidential candidature in the United States and behave in a most dishonest, hateful, disgraceful and entirely thuggish manner completely unworthy of the great office he aspired to. This is politics become reality television entertainment at its lowest possible level. America and the world deserves much better than this spectacle. Whether Trump really is the snarling inadequate he seemed to be or simply playing a character, like he did in the American version of The Apprentice, he patently does not possess the temperament, experience, competence and calibre to sit and make sensible decisions affecting every living and breathing person on earth from the Oval Office in the White House.

        Democracy only works benignly when honest and principled political parties field capable candidates of good quality. Without honesty and principle democracy can and has returned, quite legitimately, people like Hitler, Mussolini and now Trump to high office.

        Hopefully Trump, not being up to the task, will allow himself to be guided by better people around him.

        (Although hearing the name Newt Gingrich mentioned a potential member of Trump’s cabinet augurs poorly.)


        November 11, 2016 at 9:15 am

      • All politicians do from what i can see is promise us all one thing and do another, god how i would love for once to see an honest person in power put all the people first and foremost instead of this i will save some by sacrificing the others.

        I know running a country is anything but easy but like that Trump slogan , i would like to see Britain great again. When i was born we were GREAT BRITAIN, i dont recognize this UK nor do i identify myself as one. I didn’t need a name change to make me know and feel i have my peoples in Wales,Scotland, Ireland and such. Im also the child of European immigrants dew to the WW2 so my peoples are there too. I refuse to be a hater because of someones skin, there country, there culture,even there belief. Its simple to me, your either a good person or a bad person and that’s how i place merit on people.

        If you didn’t know i was a remainer but hey the people spoke whether wrongly or rightly lead so like ive done all my life , i stand down and assist this situation not just because i believe in true democracy but also because its the decent thing to do as i would hope they would do for me whether they actually would or not.
        This does not mean i have to stop trying to convince people, it simply means i must not stand in there way in a manner that refutes democracy.

        As for the this thing in the states, what a mess, what a steaming pile of mess which i seriously hope the people do get to together and sort out as ultimately it effects us all. I dont like either final candidates but i have to be honest the DNC hack and private server one proves equally both sides just couldn’t resist doing what i said at the start of this post and not solely trump. But i even though not American will respect the verdict. I have and did listen to all speeches from all the candidates from the very beginning and its annoying how media liked to chop bits out of this trumps speeches as it deprived people of seeing how as his campaign went along, it was dawning on him that there’s no way he is going to get his way all the way, not just because of how things work but because there totally unrealistic achievements.

        Trump wanted a wall in Mexico, the UK wants one on the coast of France but the truth is, unless they can make it so high a plane cant get over it and man it to the teeth, it wont stop and it wont. Trump did later on visit and hold a stage with the Mexican president, i will try and find it for you and your see how dead in the water that wall was and how trump knew you have to have good relations with your boarder neighbors. Its not the Mexican peoples fault if a Mexican kills or rapes someone anymore than its Americas fault if one of there’s did, its the fault of that one individual and trumps smart enough to know that.

        Trump aside it really does take all the people to want and work towards change, make sacrifices like for instance we need to ditch all this capitalism and socialism and walk a fresh new path based on need, not want and that’s only for our survival as a species as all our problems are always centered around greed,acquirement and control. Even on this site about welfare i would like us to all talk about how we would make welfare better or even eradicate it to history rather than and im just as guilty, making it about our government. I have tried a few times but no one wanted to engage so again we do not hold hands for a better place, a better world.


        November 11, 2016 at 11:23 am

  41. Benefit sanctions on North Wales job seekers ‘hitting most vulnerable’

    Study reveals 17,596 of the 36,905 sanctions imposed were later overturned.

    “This relates to the Job Seekers’ Allowance as the Department of Work and Pensions has not released similar data on other benefits. However it paints a worrying picture of how sanctions – i.e. stopping benefits – can be applied without good cause and sometimes against people who are vulnerable and unable to represent themselves.

    “These are the people who are then left high and dry, needing food banks, emergency loans or even loan sharks to tide them over. If more than half the cases end up without sanctions being applied it raises questions about the accuracy of the original decision.”


    news seeker

    November 10, 2016 at 10:37 am

  42. Hiya all

    I have a question concerning JSA and sickness – does dwp have right after submission of a sicknote to ring a person on their normal scheduled signing day? This has never happened before and wonder if my S&^% office is off script as per usual.


    November 10, 2016 at 11:39 am

  43. […] Questions about Tackling Fraud , Error in the Benefits System as Universal Credit System still ‘Un… […]

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