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Earlier this year this happened,

Criticism as £30-a-week disability benefit cuts go ahead March.

Peers have backed down in their battle with MPs over cuts to disabled people’s benefits after ministers invoked special powers to push them through.

The government was twice defeated in the House of Lords over a £30 a week cut to Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) for certain claimants.

But it is set to go ahead after peers deferred to the elected Commons.

Ministers claimed “financial privilege” to assert the Commons’ right to have the final say on budgetary measures.

Ministers argue the changes will encourage people to get into work, but this is strongly disputed by opponents.

Then at the start of October this happened (BBC),

Tens of thousands of people claiming the main benefit for long-term sickness will no longer face repeated medical assessments to keep their payments.

Work and Pensions Secretary Damian Green said it was pointless to re-test recipients of Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) with severe conditions and no prospect of getting better.

More than two million people receive ESA, which is worth up to £109 a week.

The move has been welcomed by charities supporting those with severe illness.

Now this there is this:

Work capability assessment overhaul for disabled BBC.

The scheme that assesses claimants of disability benefits faces a major overhaul, following claims by a charity that it is “fundamentally flawed”.

A consultation on reforming the Work Capability Assessment will be announced on Monday.

Ministers want claimants to be assessed in a more “targeted and personalised” way to help more people find jobs.

The charity Scope, which had criticised the current assessment scheme, said it welcomed the planned changes.

It said disabled people needed “expert, tailored employment support”.

Both Employment Support Allowance, which is paid to more than two million people, and the assessment, were originally introduced by Labour and then expanded by the coalition government.

The consultation – to be launched by Work and Pensions Secretary Damian Green on Monday – follows the announcement that people with severe conditions will no longer face reassessments for their benefits.

It will examine how people receiving ESA can be helped back into employment without having their benefits put at risk while they search for a job.

Note this is already problematic since nobody has yet been able to show exactly what this ‘help’ is. and how it….helps.

Mr Green said: “A disability or health condition should not dictate the path a person is able to take in life.

“No one wants a system where people are written off and forced to spend long periods of time on benefits when, actually, with the right support they could be getting back into work.

“The proposed changes… will focus on improving opportunities and raising aspirations while making sure those people who most need support from the government receive it.”

Former work and pensions secretary Iain Duncan Smith, who spearheaded the government’s welfare reforms for six years before resigning in March, said: “ESA is a part of the benefits system left over from the last Labour government and is in real need of reform.

“These proposals are directly taken from a full plan for reform that we at the DWP were close to completing before I resigned.

“The purpose was to get rid of the binary choice that you were fit for work or not fit for work. My plan covered all the areas announced today and went further in proposing some other positive changes.”

Note:  more bald faced lies from the man responsible for this:

 In September 2013 leaked documents showed that Duncan Smith was looking at “how to make it harder for sick and disabled people to claim benefits”. Duncan Smith was advised that it would be illegal to introduce secondary legislation, which does not require parliament’s approval, in order to give job centre staff more powers to make those who were claiming Employment and Support Allowance undertake more tests to prove that they were making a serious effort to come off benefits and find a job. The powers being discussed also included “forcing sick and disabled people to take up offers of work.” DWP staff would also have the power to strip claimants with serious, but time-limited health conditions, of benefits if they refuse the offer of work

Is this true?

BBC political correspondent Eleanor Garnier said the move signalled a clear change of approach from that of David Cameron’s government, which tightened and reduced welfare spending.

This certainly is.

Shadow work and pensions secretary Debbie Abrahams called for the assessments to be scrapped, saying they caused “needless misery and stress” for thousands of sick and disabled people.

She said the government’s approach was “ideologically driven with the sole purpose of targeting the most vulnerable in our society to pay for their austerity plans, painting disabled people as scroungers and shirkers, whilst making no impact on the disability employment gap”.

We await more comment from this quarter:

Citizens Advice said it dealt with 25,000 issues around Work Capability Assessments last year, saying the reforms should make the test “fair, consistent and right first time”.

MS Society chief executive Michelle Mitchell said: “We are keen to help create a system that makes more sense.

“However, it must be recognised that many people with long-term progressive conditions will simply be too unwell to work and no amount of extra employment support will change that.”

Phil Reynolds, from the charity Parkinson’s UK, told BBC Radio 5 live he “cautiously welcomed” the new move, but that his organisation had been trying to highlight the issue for a long time.

“We continue to hear examples of people with really serious conditions, like Parkinsons, who are put in that ‘back to work’ group because the assessment fails to recognise that a person’s condition will only get worse,” he said.

“It’s really important that anything that comes out of this leads to positive improvements and a more sensitive assessment.”

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Written by Andrew Coates

October 30, 2016 at 3:35 pm

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  1. Airing on the side of caution

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37810701

    Mr Green said: “A disability or health condition should not dictate the path a person is able to take in life”.

    Maybe its me but isn’t government doing exactly this ?

    “”The proposed changes… will focus on improving opportunities and raising aspirations while making sure those people who most need support from the government receive it.”

    They need to do more than raise a persons hope so improving opportunities better be tackling employers prejudices.

    We know from the remploy factories they were shut down because they couldn’t make a profit, were not cost effective so in a world fall of time constraints and profit margins are government going to find these opportunities ?

    I think i will stick a pin in this one for now

    doug

    October 31, 2016 at 9:12 am

    • It’s not just you Doug, they are attempting by force, to the majority of the worlds population.

      news seeker

      October 31, 2016 at 12:16 pm

  2. And what’s the solution to the WCA? Back to the days of the anything-for-a-quiet-life “family doctor” handing out “sick notes” like sweets to malingers purporting to have a “bad back”, oh yeah and throw is a spot of “depression”, the two things you can’t prove one way or the other 😉 The very reason that New Labour brought in the WCA in the first.

    Fit To Work

    October 31, 2016 at 12:02 pm

    • … place.

      Fit To Work

      October 31, 2016 at 12:03 pm

    • Sounds like your very prejudice against ill and disabled people their fit for work. Your knowledge that medicine cant predict the difference between a low to mild back and depression issues to more serious and in some cases permanent issues is 10 years out of date to say the least.

      If as you state you believe doctors are giving fit notes (they haven’t been called sick notes for a while now) out like sweeties, surely by now you have a list already full of GPs to hand to the medical ethics committee as it is an offense and you are making a direct and publicly official declaration of multiple GPs malpractice not to mention a few other medical violations.

      pete

      October 31, 2016 at 4:17 pm

    • You sound like a joker, troll, nutcase or a dick (and a small, limp, wrinkly one at that). Or possibly a combination of two or more of these New Labour/Conservative afflictions. Life can be cruel and unfair at times. And short in the case of thousands of the sick and disabled pushed into early graves by continual harassment and reassessment in respect to illnesses and disadvantages that only the Son of God could mend. You yourself seem to be a very troubled soul frittering away your energies hating and reviling the ill and the dying all to no good end. You are human but not humane. There but for a compassionate heart, sense of social justice, and an intelligent mind go we all.

      Bodhisattva

      October 31, 2016 at 5:09 pm

  3. “Criticism as £30-a-week disability benefit cuts go ahead”. This is very indigenous and misleading since there are no proposed cuts to disabilty benefits. What is being proposed is a bringing into line of JSA and ESA. ESA is NOT a disability benefit. Stop trying to fool people!

    Fit To Work

    October 31, 2016 at 12:07 pm

    • ** disingenuous

      Fit To Work

      October 31, 2016 at 12:07 pm

    • Even the Conservatives are talking about getting rid of the Work Capability Test, not because they are much concerned about the people it persecutes and fails but because it’s costing more money than it saves.

      Judge Dreddful

      November 1, 2016 at 8:25 am

  4. “But it is set to go ahead after peers deferred to the elected Commons.” i.e. what the electorate voted for!

    Fit To Work

    October 31, 2016 at 12:10 pm

  5. Green was on the telly this morning as well,

    “Mr Green told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “We need to change across the system so we will be changing so it’s no longer just a binary assessment… much more personalised.”

    Saying he did not want to “categorise” people, he added that he wanted to change the “mindset” of businesses: “We want them to realise that there’s a huge pool of talented people who are disabled and want to work and can contribute fully in the workplace.”

    Mr Green said: “We’ve got historically high employment levels. We want to spread that so everyone can enjoy the revolution that we have seen in job creation in the last few years.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37810701

    Andrew Coates

    October 31, 2016 at 12:14 pm

    • Workfare is what has been spread and so will continue, if we don’t stop what they call a revolution in employment.

      news seeker

      October 31, 2016 at 12:28 pm

    • Whats the bet Green has to offer up some candy (money) to change those frosty businesses hearts ?

      As for “We’ve got historically high employment levels. We want to spread that so everyone can enjoy the revolution that we have seen in job creation” your find its more to do with them taking more tax and NIC revenue than it has anything to do with helping their fellow man.

      Wouldn’t it be nice if just for once we weren’t given spin.

      doug

      October 31, 2016 at 4:04 pm

      • This is precisely what New Labour did with its New Deal where the government paid employers a significant amount of money to use the unemployed as free Labour. (Well, nearly free. Participants got travelling expenses reimbursed and £15.00 extra. I think these days workfare draftees don’t even get that.) It seems crazy to think that the employers got much more money to use people as unpaid labour than the unemployed forced onto the scheme received for their trouble. But there you go. Maybe Damien “Born of a Jackal” Green will try a similar bribe to get business in line when it comes to exploiting the disabled and sick or getting them into part-time/full-time minimum wage jobs. It’s difficult to see why employers would suddenly come forward and start adapting their places of business to welcome hundreds of thousands of sick and disable benefit claimants as paid/unpaid employees when they won’t even pay the able bodied a living wage.

        Mad for Jezza

        November 2, 2016 at 3:54 pm

      • From memory employers got paid a damned good wage from taking on free Labour. It was completely twisted thinking! They could have have actually paid the slave labour force a damned good wage but instead Labour choose to line greedy employers pockets. It was absolutely despicable. Can we expect to see the return of this under a Jezza government. Labour are actually WORSE than the Tories, and that is saying something!

        Not Mad for Jezza

        November 2, 2016 at 10:58 pm

      • It wasn’t a few quid a day employers got bunged under Labour’s New Deal. It was a shed-load of cash. Absolutely shocking!

        Not Mad for Jezza

        November 2, 2016 at 11:01 pm

      • When (if) Jezza (Labour) ever take the reins of power again the unemployed will be rounded up and put in chain gangs to take part in ‘public work’ projects. Don’t take part and your dole will be stopped, and there will be no ‘hardship’ under Labour unless you are in a so-called ‘vulnerable’ group – you will be out on the streets. The usual suspects, the ‘providers’ and the fat cat ‘contractors’ undertaking these projects will lining their pockets. And the fruits of the labour of the slave Labour force will be taken into private ownership. This is the future, for the unemployed, under a Slave Labour government. Imagine Nazi Rachel Reeves at the helm of the DWP. Nazi Rachel Reeves and Slave Labour would put the jackboot into the unemployed really, really hard! The Tories are the ‘soft’ option as preposterous as that sounds. You only have to take a look at Labour’s record and even the public statements that the likes of Nazi Rachel Reeves have made. Be careful what you wish for 😉

        Dissident Diva

        November 3, 2016 at 10:01 am

      • Your talking about what is already happening now, with the Tories. your right with “be careful what you wish for”

        news seeker

        November 3, 2016 at 11:10 am

    • For hundreds of thousands of souls work is NOT the way out of poverty that the government claims.

      In point of fact poverty is growing fastest amongst the WORKING poor!

      Bodhisattva

      October 31, 2016 at 5:13 pm

    • All this nonsense about people with a “pay packet” being free of poverty is bollocks. It is among the lowest paid people who are in some kind of paid employment that poverty is now growing fastest. Work in itself is NOT the best way out of poverty when you are hardly better off in work than being out of work.

      Judge Dreddful

      November 1, 2016 at 8:28 am

      • The way out of poverty is an increase in INCOME… until you are not longer poor 😉 The Nazi/jobcentre mantra of “Work makes you free/Arbeit Macht Frei.” is a crock of shit!

        Razor Sound

        November 1, 2016 at 9:44 pm

  6. “Ministers argue that too few people in the category are moving into work and that while the lower benefit rate would save £55m in the first year, £60m would be spent on supporting claimants to take steps towards finding work.”

    So, this initiative is is actually costing the Government money. But instead of doling out another £30 a week the Government is spending this money wisely on employing more work coaches to provide the help and support which this group need. And why would anyone want an extra £30 a week in their pocket as opposed to help and support to move them into employment? Doesn’t make sense!

    ParaP

    October 31, 2016 at 12:16 pm

  7. This cut to ESA isn’t going to happen! There will be so much public revulsion that we can expect to see widespread protests throughout the land, a General Strike, 10s of millions of people marching on Downing Street, cities on fire! Solidarity!

    Molotov

    October 31, 2016 at 12:27 pm

  8. One GP’s Protest.

    When Government Policy Abuses the Vulnerable….

    https://onegpprotest.org/2012/03/17/when-government-policy-abuses-the-vulnerable/

    news seeker

    October 31, 2016 at 12:42 pm

  9. No U-turn on benefit cuts that will take £1,000 a year off three million families, says Government

    Damian Green, the Work and Pensions Secretary, will not ‘reverse what happened in the past’ – despite growing pressure from Tory backbenchers to rethink cuts to Universal Credit

    On the three million people affected, he claimed: “They won’t be poorer than they are now – they will be getting more money.”

    Employers will be encouraged to help stop staff with long-term conditions falling out of work, while Jobcentre Plus work coaches will direct claimants to therapy.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/no-u-turn-on-cuts-that-will-take-1000-a-year-off-three-million-families-a-cabinet-minister-has-said-a7388661.html

    news seeker

    October 31, 2016 at 1:02 pm

  10. More regarding this post.

    Sick pay and work assessments to be reviewed, Jeremy Hunt reveals

    The system of sick pay and GP “fit notes” is to be reviewed by the government, as Jeremy Hunt, the health secretary, highlighted the growing cost of long-term sickness to the NHS and suggested getting people back to work had major benefits for health.

    The new review will consult on scrapping the process that puts disabled people into two groups of being unable to work or capable of some work.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/oct/31/sick-pay-and-work-assessments-to-be-reviewed-jeremy-hunt-reveals

    news seeker

    October 31, 2016 at 4:39 pm

    • It appears that the government are still banging on about the reap the benefits of work and improve their health.

      encouraging Jobcentre Plus work coaches to signpost claimants to therapy.

      Consideration is also being given to extending fit notes from doctors to other healthcare professionals to help ensure people receive more tailored support.

      Secretary of State for Health, Jeremy Hunt, said:

      The additional cost to the NHS of treating long term health conditions that keep people out of work is estimated to be in the region of £7 billion per year.

      https://www.gov.uk/government/news/work-and-health-plan-to-help-disabled-people-into-employment

      ken

      November 1, 2016 at 11:49 pm

  11. Andrew Coates

    October 31, 2016 at 4:42 pm

  12. Tory and SNP MPs demand benefit cut debate

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37830789

    doug

    November 1, 2016 at 9:34 am

  13. Benefit cap to cut payouts for 100,000 from Monday: Government hopes reduction will encourage families to return to work

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3891966/Benefit-cap-cut-payouts-100-000-Monday-Government-hopes-reduction-encourage-families-return-work.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

    One minute it was businesses that needed to be tackled (Green the other day), now we are back to accusing people of not wanting to work. While the remploy factories didn’t turn a profit, one thing they did demonstrate was that disabled and ill people wanted to work.

    The biggest Hippocratic joke of it is,

    “He said there was “huge public concern” and he wanted to see extra staff and cash for those hit by the cuts, which will only apply to new claimants in the ESA work-related activity group”.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37830789

    So their create extra jobs for extra staff for the purpose of getting disabled and ill people into work.

    Why not give these jobs to the disabled and ill as this is guaranteed work right, no trading on the fact their might be work out their for them, there just go straight into work.

    After all who would know the plight of the disabled and ill better than the ill and disabled ?

    doug

    November 1, 2016 at 9:56 am

    • How will restricting child benefit is to the first two children born to a mother do anything but plunge more innocent children into poverty? It obviously won’t “encourage” recent mothers with three or more children back to work because they probably will have/want to look after the recently born child and later, even if they want to go back to work, would probably have to pay out more in child care fees than they could earn in a full-time minimum wage job on a weekly basis. The only obvious reason any unscrupulous government would make such a cut is to save money by reducing essential support to an already demonised minority, in this case mothers in receipt of child benefit who have three or more children.

      Nasty, nasty, nasty.

      N.S.P.C.C. Barnardo

      November 1, 2016 at 1:43 pm

    • Not the old “innocent children” chestnut 😀 Theresa May (the Government) is trying to balance supply and demand of Labour. As even ‘doug’ admits the workforce is becoming increasing automated – we just don’t need as many worker bees. If we needed an expanded labour force or indeed cannon fodder to fight in an upcoming ‘conventional’ war Theresa’s May’s (the Government’s) policy would be to encourage families to have more and more children. But the opposite is true, we don’t, so instead the Theresa May’s (Government) policy is to ‘discourage’ families from having large children. Human nature is selfish and if there is no ‘deterrent’ certain people will just churn out kids. Does Theresa May even have any kids. And the people who tend to have large families tend to be poor, come from ethnic ‘minorities’ which quickly become ethnic ‘majorities’. Also religious groups (any religious group) encourages breeding because they want to be largest religious grouping in town, breeding increases their power and monetary base, and expands there influential sphere. So there are lots of factors at play here: shrinking labour force, kids being born into poverty, protection of the indigenous population numbers which is becoming an endangered species.

      Get Real

      November 1, 2016 at 3:23 pm

      • I think I could go along with the eugenic idea of controlling population size via economics if, besides the poor losing benefits, rich people who have more than two children got taxed more to deter the wealthy from having big families. Oh! Hang on! Iain Duncan Smith has four children, David Cameron has three children and Tony Blair has four children… hmm… not much chance of that happening then. If you’re rich you can be fruitful and multiply but if you’re poor your children will suffer if you do.

        One question: With fewer people growing up, working and paying taxes where will the money come from to fund the old age pension and National Health Service? As for automation, well, haven’t you noticed that our own economy is pretty much service based not manufacturing based; only a small proportion of revenue raising jobs are being replaced by machinery which is why millions of foreigners have travelled to the UK to serve and cook in restaurants, work in agriculture and animal husbandry, look after people in hospitals and retirement homes, pull pints in pubs and hostelries, carry out cleaning and laundering, pick crops, paint and decorate, build – you name it – all things that can not and probably will never be done by any mechanical or electronic device. Automation displaces workers who move on to other trades, professions and occupations.

        If the population shrinks and revenue from direct taxation falls as a result if living standards are not to drop like a stone, particularly for the elderly, you would have to soak the rich and/or raise taxes on business and employers to fill the gap, which I can’t see happening under the Conservatives, ever

        People like you are not only brazenly heartless but profoundly stupid too.

        (But make me feel good about myself by being in the slightest bit anything like you in the slightest.)

        No child should face privation or be punished for ANYTHING his or her parents do or have done.

        Including giving birth to them.

        N.S.P.C.C Barnardo

        November 1, 2016 at 5:08 pm

      • Its not up to me, you or even government to decide whether or not an individual should breed. Its also not up to government to discard people as surplus to requirement and why their going around the houses to institute a crafty form of eugenics.

        The sad thing is eugenic theories were wrong, that among the chaff, their were indeed rare diamonds so at best was just a lesson in unnecessary culling. Great Britain was certainly no stranger to this and like Germany and America embraced it in the early 1900s. Whats interesting is that despite the culling, depressions,recessions and world wars continued and we were further away from utopia than when we started.

        If over population was an issue then why not out law it like in other countries as after all it should not matter if you have the money for a third or not as over population is over population right ?

        How is it equal or fare to allow those that can afford to breed to breed, its among the highest level of class discrimination todate and you only have to look at the number of children government decided to target in a single family. Had they had gone for 2 or more, their would have been a massive uproar but instead they went for the statistically lowest numbered group that laughingly spends combined less money than 1 or 2 children families when you count how many per group.

        Ontop of this when we consider the cap, a single parent woman whose just become unemployed with one 10 year old child who lives in NW10 at a rent of £360 per calendar week (average rent for area) will breach the cap.

        Whether or not the question of balancing comes into play whats for certain is this government is indeed picking and choosing the classes it wishes to diminish and there’s no escaping that.

        doug

        November 6, 2016 at 10:19 am

      • Exactly, you should be allowed to have as many kids as you want provided you are prepared to pay for them out of your own pocket. Same goes for house, car, whatever. The argument that their may be a ‘diamond’ in your large brood doesn’t cut it since most of us in our lifetimes don’t add much to the fields of human endeavour, invention and exploration. How many of will become rocket scientists, colonise Mars? No, it is just more shelf-stackers to cram onto a tiny island.

        Even Marx said that if left to their own devices the poor will multiply without restraint and in doing so producing excess Labour and in turn devalue the value of their own Labour. Human nature always wins out! Look at China for example where they have the one-child policy. Baby girls are left to die in ‘dying rooms’. Human nature is basically selfish! The Government knows this 😉

        The Rabbit Family

        November 6, 2016 at 10:39 am

    • The disabled are the very last people they want to be in those posts Doug. It was ever thus.

      Lucy

      November 4, 2016 at 6:46 pm

  14. UK to increase national cyber-defence efforts

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37821867

    Amazing how they can always find money for these things but never for welfare. How they need to cut welfare to supply further services within the department yet never do the same in other cases.

    doug

    November 1, 2016 at 10:01 am

    • In one month, an obscure procedural rule tweak will come into effect allowing US cops and federal agents to hack any computer in the world using a single warrant issued anywhere in America.

      No one in Congress has voted on this legal update. It means a warrant granted somewhere within the US can be executed on the other side of the country – or the other side of the planet.

      The change, approved by the Supreme Court, is in Rule 41 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure. Right now, if law enforcement wants to hack a PC, they have to ask a judge for a warrant in the jurisdiction where it is located. With the rule change, they could do this to any computer anywhere in the US or the world.

      http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/31/congress_to_act_before_fbi_global_hacking_license/

      news seeker

      November 1, 2016 at 2:34 pm

  15. OT – The March of automation

    “Automation may threaten 88,000 Scottish public sector jobs, says report”
    “One in every six jobs in Scotland’s public sector could be lost within 14 years due to automation, according to a new study.

    The annual “State of the State” report from business advisory firm Deloitte estimated that 88,000 jobs could go.

    It said administrative and operative roles were at greatest risk.

    The report also said technology could help deliver more efficient public services by making it easier for the workforce to do their jobs. ”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-37826673

    That’s just Scotland, what kind of numbers apply for the rest of the uk i wonder,
    and sectors outside of the highlighted one here.

    Gazza

    November 1, 2016 at 10:08 am

  16. Job satisfaction: A staff happiness breakdown by industry, country and company size

    http://realbusiness.co.uk/current-affairs/2016/10/11/sme-job-satisfaction-staff-happiness-by-industry-country-company-size/

    doug

    November 1, 2016 at 10:08 am

  17. Tory ‘National Living Wage’ is 17% lower than the true cost of living.

    http://www.welfareweekly.com/tory-national-living-wage-is-17-lower-than-the-true-cost-of-living-research-shows/

    news seeker

    November 1, 2016 at 12:30 pm

  18. More than 116,000 of the poorest households in the UK will be hit by the extended benefit cap, putting many at risk of homelessness, housing experts have predicted.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/nov/01/extended-benefit-cap-hit-116000-families-housing-experts

    news seeker

    November 1, 2016 at 12:34 pm

  19. Why black cabs trump Uber

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/uber-driver-rescued-getting-caught-143101430.html

    Only an inexperienced driver could ever make such a bad mistake and echos back to the days of unregulated minicabs and why they got regulated in the first place.

    doug

    November 1, 2016 at 2:11 pm

  20. Waffle waffle, Hammond, waffle

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/chancellor-well-strike-back-against-132017467.html

    When are old hacks barely capable of turning a PC on going to keep quiet about things they simply will never understand.

    doug

    November 1, 2016 at 2:14 pm

  21. Four Conservative MPs are to join the SNP to call for a House of Commons debate on “postponing” cuts to disability benefits.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/01/tory-mps-join-call-to-postpone-disability-benefit-cuts

    news seeker

    November 1, 2016 at 3:46 pm

  22. Question for ‘doug’. Can a cock roach view your account on a jobcentre computer after forcing you to log on to said account after forcing you to create said account? Is this a way round the Data Protection Act? Is this why they have a computer in jobcentres? It still burns time forgetting the log on, creating another account… you can see they frustration that they haven’t got direct access and you still can’t be forced to record your job search activity on that steaming spying, sanctioning piece of univeral jobmatch shit and you can see that they are pissed that there is nowt they can do about it. Jobcentre = SCUM!

    Jobseeker Help

    November 1, 2016 at 4:17 pm

    • “Jobseeker Help”

      Short Answer is No… No… Hell No.

      my read of the applicable laws –

      information Act – deliberate targeted breach – if trying this must be able to prove in court and in writing

      harassment due to its targeting – write up the papers for it, naming advisor, section head, building manager – its applicable for 6 years.

      And demand this in writing signed by the advisor and their boss to show they have their full support for this breach.

      Say you’ll be trotting along to the police for a crime number and supplying to the information commissioner

      Gazza

      November 1, 2016 at 6:02 pm

      • No. But now we’re on the way out of the EU who knows what will happen in a few years time. Theresa May seems desperate to monitor online activities of British citizens. I wouldn’t surprise me if the Conservatives tried to alter digital privacy legislation and the protections it currently affords to enable more snooping by government departments and enable the DWP to intrude into the digital lives of millions as it pleases.

        Woodrue

        November 2, 2016 at 9:19 am

    • universal jobmatch is an abomination of a website. This utter piece of crap is slower than death. Wasted whole hour of internet access in the library and could only get two or three pages to load. ujm is 100% garbage. Why are jobseekers being FORCED to use this shit. What is the purpose of it? Because it just wastes valuable job searching time! Every hour job board loads like lightning except this ujm shite. Seriously sick to the back teeth of this pile of shite universal jobmatch. You can’t search for a job because you are FORCED to use up your job searching time on this ujm. Sometimes you think that the jobcentre is just there to hinder you getting a job? Weird, weird place is the jobcentre. It is like walking onto the set of a Ken Loach film!

      Frustrated FORCED UJM User

      November 1, 2016 at 6:24 pm

      • “Universal Jobmatch

        Application error

        An error has occured handling your request.

        Please try again later. If you continue to have access problems, please contact the help desk for one of the services you have enrolled for.
        You can either close the browser, or return to the home page by clicking Continue.”

        JESUS CHRIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        I, Iain Duncan Smith

        November 1, 2016 at 9:34 pm

      • Hey – Frustrated FORCED UJM User!

        “Why are jobseekers being FORCED to use this shit. What is the purpose of it? Because it just wastes valuable job searching time!”

        That’s the whole fucking point. To tie jobseekers to this worthless piece of crap 24/7 and sanction them if they don’t.

        doug's old nan

        November 2, 2016 at 8:42 am

    • Universal Jobmatch wasn’t really designed to help people find a job and is, factually, the worst job board out there. In fact it’s so bad it wins awards for its awfulness:

      http://uk-condemnation.blogspot.com/2013/11/universal-jobmatch-wins-worst-website.html

      It’s ugly, slow, poorly implemented – for example it doesn’t open up job adverts in another tab in your browser, meaning that you have to move back in your browsing history to reload the search page in the same window – and incredibly intrusive. UJM records every single thing you do presumably to incriminate. Nothing recorded in you “Activity History” can be deleted or reversed. And if you post a CV and make it searchable who knows what people might see it and harvest your data. Anybody ever begun receiving phone calls from fraudsters all of a sudden after posting a pubic CV on UJM? Well I have. Coincidence? I don’t think so. My best is that there are people out there posing as employers compiling lists of people based on data theft from the damnable and much despised Universal Jobmatch.

      The real purpose of Universal Jobmatch was to link up with Universal Credit to police the work search of claimants, i.e., record everything they have done and are doing for up to 35 hours a week to look for work. UJM was designed specifically to allow anybody working for the DWP, with the required permission, to scrutinise everything you had been doing to find work and to communicate directly with you, listing jobs for you have been ordered to apply for, monitor your progress, and expedite sanctioning you if you slipped up or did anything incorrectly.

      The real purpose of Universal Jobmatch was to scrutinise and punish Universal Credit recipients.

      Steer clear as much as you possibly can and record as little as possible in the Activity History.

      Don’t help the DWP to ruin your life.

      Woodrue

      November 2, 2016 at 9:02 am

    • Jobseekers help

      You have to separate the regulatory welfare requirement from the data protection act as while DWP can make a person open a gateway account, they cant legally imply you do so with your personal and or sensitive data, With regards to such data the processor (ie, DWP or UJM) MUST SEEK LEGAL CONSENT inorder to process said data in a manner they prescribe from the data subject (you).

      (Taken from DPA)

      processing”, in relation to information or data, means obtaining, recording or holding the information or data or carrying out any operation or set of operations on the information or data, including—

      (a)organisation, adaptation or alteration of the information or data,

      (b)retrieval, consultation or use of the information or data,

      (c)disclosure of the information or data by transmission, dissemination or otherwise making available, or

      (d)alignment, combination, blocking, erasure or destruction of the information or data;

      As you well know DWP DON’T set these accounts up for claimants, especially without them being present (when a coach offers to help). This proves LEGAL CONSENT is required and the requirements of the data protection act must be OBEYED.

      Now looking over ones shoulder is still considered in the eyes of the law as a form of processing and as such requires LEGAL CONSENT despite giving legal consent when first registering for said gateway account. This is because your coach is a data processor and not a data controller, the person/s you first gave consent to while registering.

      Now the civil service code every public servant must agree to inorder to work for said public department contains the following under standards of behavior.

      https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/civil-service-code/the-civil-service-code

      Integrity

      Comply with the law and uphold the administration of justice – this means DWP staff have to recognize and obey the data protection act as well as all other laws.

      Honesty

      MUST NOT deceive or knowingly mislead ministers, Parliament or others – Now no office staff can say their company didn’t teach them the DPA as its relevant for everything they do regarding claimants and benefits as processing is what they do.

      Objectivity

      Provide information and advice, including advice to ministers, on the basis of the evidence, and accurately present the options and facts – self explanatory.

      MUST NOT ignore inconvenient facts or relevant considerations when providing advice or making decisions – this means DWP cannot pick and choose what serves their purpose/s.

      Impartiality

      MUST NOT act in a way that unjustifiably favours or discriminates against particular individuals or interests.

      Nobody who processes personal and or sensitive data can say they don’t know or was not taught the data protection act so cant say they don’t know when and where they must seek LEGAL CONSENT and what that implies if DENIED.

      For Consent to be seen as legal it MUST NOT BE GAINED THROUGH FORCE, THREAT OR DECEPTION.

      So as you can clearly see inorder to get claimants to register for a gateway account by FORCE, DWP would have to do so without asserting the data subject (you) used personal and or sensitive data which if done by many would render the whole UJM pointless from a DWP standpoint. None the less this way they still obey both laws.

      DWP want this as a tracking tool to save time on public servants and when most have been got rid of, for an automated system. So basically your doing their job for them and not being paid for it.

      VERY IMPORTANT

      Now im not sure if its everywhere but DWP likes to get claimants to sign a processing and privacy policy prior to use of their system. This requires your legal consent again so read it carefully as it may say within that you will be giving said coach consent to process your data, in which case decline consent until they change it. So basically your not saying no to using the machines but rather DWP are saying no to you using their machine because they refuse to adjust the policy in your case. This is a reasonable and legal request.

      So this coach is breaching your DPA rights if they are looking at any personal and or sensitive data that happens to be on the screen at the time if no consent is in place to cover them and according to law is prohibited unless they first seek your legal consent. If you decline to give said consent the coach must accept your decision and you don’t have to explain how you arrived at it either.

      You could go further by reporting it to there manager and informing them if it does not stop instantly you will officially inform the ICO of the breach.

      https://ico.org.uk/concerns/handling/

      doug

      November 2, 2016 at 10:25 am

  23. WORK AND HEALTH PROGRAMME -This effects all of us!

    Contract awards for the new Work and Health Programme will be made in April 2017 and referrals will begin in October 2017.

    http://base-uk.org/members/news/information-work-and-health-programme

    http://stats.learningandwork.org.uk/events_presentations/May2016WorkHealthandEmploymentPhil%20Martin

    doug's old nan

    November 1, 2016 at 5:42 pm

    • Work & Health looks like the old Work Programme and Work Choice scheme (for sick people) merged with much less money spent on the new scheme in the future than on the old schemes in the past. This probably means that the very worst private providers, desperate to secure government contracts, will bid to run the new programme leading to even more piss poor results than before – and the previous programmes were almost unbelievably useless and awful.

      I feel most sorry for sick and disabled men and women, who seem to have been specially targeted to be screwed over even more than able bodied workless citizens in future. I suppose they’ve calculated that the sick and disabled are where the greatest savings can be made either by getting them off benefits or stopping them getting benefits by sanctioning them or killing them.

      Woodrue

      November 2, 2016 at 9:15 am

      • From what i hear, Maximus, now owner of Remploy is hungry to have the lions share of this contract so they can fit it into their twisted assessment contract. Basically im implying maximus will be more inclined to pass someone as fit who is not as their get paid again to support them into work.

        Look at it as a job agency that only connects you to employers (so does not recruit and pay your salary). If you put a unemployed person into work that’s one less job available but if you offer it to someone whose already in work as one closes another opens and thus proliferates the market.

        doug

        November 2, 2016 at 10:33 am

  24. DISABILITY CONFIDENT IS BACK AGAIN

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    November 1, 2016 at 8:44 pm

    • FTSE 250

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  25. Ken Loach accuses government of ‘incompetence’ after minister claims I, Daniel Blake is ‘monstrously unfair’

    ‘If they don’t know what they are doing to people they are incompetent and shouldn’t be in Government,’ says the acclaimed director

    Ken Loach is embroiled in a war of words with a Cabinet minister over his new film’s searing critique of welfare cuts.

    Work and Pensions Secretary Damian Green criticised as “monstrously unfair” the portrayal of Job Centre staff in I, Daniel Blake, despite admitting he has not watched the film.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/ken-loach-i-daniel-blake-damien-green-monstrously-unfair-a7393031.html

    Andrew Coates

    November 2, 2016 at 11:31 am

    • I don’t need to have lived through the Second World War to know that Hitler was bad!

      We are working for you.

      The Rt. Hon. Damian Green MP, Secretary of State for Work and Pensions

      Damian Green MP

      November 2, 2016 at 11:53 am

      • You were born in 1956, sir, eleven years after the Second World War ended. Just like all Conservative Ministers you can’t tell the truth about anything it seems.

        Jeremy Kyle

        November 2, 2016 at 3:18 pm

    • Government have had almost 6 years to put a fly on the wall of DWP so the only thing monstrously unfair is the way government gets to lie through their teeth yet again without a shred of well researched evidence to back up their claim to the contrary.

      Our government are all talk and no substance and the sooner people realize that and challenge them in every policy will we ever see that the most detrimental portion of fraud committed in the UK is one perpetrated firstly by governments

      doug

      November 2, 2016 at 1:55 pm

    • Corbyn urges Theresa May to watch I, Daniel Blake at PMQs.

      Jeremy Corbyn has urged Theresa May to go to a cinema and watch the award-winning film I, Daniel Blake, as research reveals one in five benefit claimants hit by benefit sanctions have become homeless, including families with children.

      The Labour leader also suggested that the Prime Minister take Work and Pensions Secretary Damien Green along with her, after he claimed the film was “monstrously unfair” despite admitting he had never seen it.

      http://www.welfareweekly.com/corbyn-urges-theresa-may-to-watch-i-daniel-blake-at-pmqs/

      news seeker

      November 2, 2016 at 5:12 pm

      • It should be made mandatory for every effing ‘workcoach’ to see it, let them see all the pain they’re causing.

        Marie

        November 2, 2016 at 5:33 pm

      • What newsreader, and ruin that imaginary world where everyone loves the Tories and how all they touch prospers.

        May, Green or any supporter of the so called welfare reform, take your pick as even if they watched it, they would ignore what they saw and do like they always do and that’s repeat the mantra and hope no one notices their always lies like their policies, built on no prior truthful research, pilots or planning.

        doug

        November 2, 2016 at 7:31 pm

      • What is needed is a documentary to be made, hidden cameras etc,

        news seeker

        November 3, 2016 at 11:05 am

  26. Damian 666 Green.

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    November 2, 2016 at 1:08 pm

  27. FTSE 666

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    November 2, 2016 at 1:58 pm

  28. Damian FTSE 666

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    November 2, 2016 at 2:00 pm

  29. Ministers argue the changes will encourage people to get into work,

    That’s a very optimistic claim based on what appears to be extremely weak prospects of finding any employment.Simply saying you don’t have to mention it means at the very least someone has undermined their protection under disability law to adjustments’. It also places an employer in a difficult situation finding out sooner rather then later that someone has a serious condition which should have been disclosed in best interests of everyone.

    ken

    November 2, 2016 at 10:15 pm

  30. “In the long run there is nothing more expensive than saying to someone, ‘Here’s a benefit you can have for the rest of your life and we will ignore you,’” Damian Green told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.

    Which benefit is this? Jobseeker’s Allowance? Universal Credit? Or is there some other benefit?

    Mal Ingerer

    November 2, 2016 at 11:45 pm

  31. doug

    November 3, 2016 at 8:50 am

  32. State Pension should be replaced with a ‘Workplace ISA’, says thinktank

    Centre for Policy Studies, co-founded by Margaret Thatcher, also suggest the pension age should be increased to 80.

    http://www.welfareweekly.com/state-pension-should-be-replaced-with-a-workplace-isa-says-thinktank/

    news seeker

    November 3, 2016 at 11:26 am

    • 80?! They can’t be serious! Once you reach your biblical three score and ten (70) that’s it; after you reach 70 you are on biblical ‘borrowed time’. In any case, most of can expect to die round about 70-80. Raising the State Pension age to 80 is abolishing the State Pension effectively since only a tiny minority of us are ever going to reach qualifying age.

      Methuselah

      November 3, 2016 at 12:34 pm

  33. The number of children who are homeless and in temporary accommodation this Christmas will hit an eight-year year high of more than 120,000, according to analysis by a leading housing charity.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/nov/03/child-homelessness-christmas-eight-year-high-shelter-12000-children-temporary-accommodation

    news seeker

    November 3, 2016 at 11:27 am


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