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Somewhere we hope never to go…

Most of us are familiar with the way the DWP Job Centre, and all the rest of the schemes we are on, are run on the basis of some kind of managerial theory which tries to ‘nudge’ (force) us to behave in order to fit into their idea of what we should do to get employment.

On the Work Programme this could involve being told to “get out of your comfort zone”, listening to heroic tales of how the trainers obtained their magnificent positions through hard work, or (job centre) somebody going through your Job Seeker’s Agreement with a fine tooth comb to find if you have spent every waking hour asking “giv us a job”.

People have made money out of theorising this practice, and no doubt drawing up the guidelines for DWP and Trainers to follow.

Indeed their is a whole ‘unit’, the Behavioural Insights Team, that produces hefty reports on such affairs.

There is a book, “Nudge: Improving Decisions About Health, Wealth, and Happiness. Richard Thaler and Cass Sunstein” (2008) which has replaced How to Win Friends and Influence People” on every huckster’s book shelf.

This American text’s core message was summed up by the New York Review of Books as follows,

Nudging is about the self-conscious design of choice architecture. Put a certain choice architecture together with a certain heuristic and you will get a certain outcome. That’s the basic equation. So, if you want a person to reach a desirable outcome and you can’t change the heuristic she’s following, then you have to meddle with the choice architecture, setting up one that when matched with the given heuristic delivers the desirable outcome. That’s what we do when we nudge.

It’s all for your own Good. Jeremy Waldron.

Naturally the book came to the UK where this was the reception (Richard Reeves, Observer. 2008)

Nudge has become the ‘it’ book for politicos. Thaler is in the middle of a fortnight in the UK and is being courted and feted by the chattering, thinking, wonking classes. Everyone who is anyone has been nudged by the amiable prof (I bought him dinner). The Conservatives moved quickly to stake their claim to his brand of ‘libertarian paternalism’, seeing in it a way for the state to act non-coercively for the greater good.

The (gibberish sounding) Behavioural Insights Team) was the result.

The quality of the thinking, research and proposals of this merry crew is praised in the book, Inside the Nudge Unit: How Small Changes Can Make a Big Difference.  David Halpern. 2016.

You can judge for yourself (Review: Public Finance)

Human beings are amazingly complicated, so you do get surprises coming up on a regular basis even if you’re fairly expert,” Halpern says. He cites the example of a big discrepancy in the results of a judgment test sat by applicants to the police. “It’s an online test – there are no human beings involved – and yet there was a massive difference in the pass rate between white and ethnic minority candidates, 60% versus 40%,” he explains. “There were lots of hypotheses about why this might be – you can imagine some of the ideas.”

We can indeed.

People are really complicated.

Wow.

The Unit came up with wizard wheezes like “Giving a day’s salary to charity” “Using a lottery to increase electoral participation rates” and “Increasing fine payment rates through text messages.” (more see Behavioural Insights Team (BIT), also known unofficially as the “Nudge Unit“)

And….”.”Personal commitment devices in Jobcentres.”

Iain Duncan Smith’s DWP did not do “non-coercive”, so we had…sanctions to “nudge” us in the right direction.

As in, I, Daniel Blake.

Now we hear this from the Nudgers:

DWP must review welfare conditionality, policy unit set up by Downing Street says (Independent a few days ago)

The Government should review its practice of forcing benefit claimants to jump through hoops like attending Jobcentre meetings in order to claim benefits, a policy unit set up by Downing Street has recommended.

The Behavioral Insights Team, set up by David Cameron in 2010, said piling unemployed people with responsibilities on pain of sanction might actually be making it harder for them to get jobs.

The so-called Nudge Unit, which was part-privatised in 2014, warned that some Government policies were reducing so-called “cognitive bandwidth” or “headspace” of the people they were designed to help.

Is that all?

Not quite.

‘Nudge Unit’ u-turn on benefit sanctions could herald even more state intervention  replies Sue Jones in Welfare Weekly.

It’s very interesting that the Behavioural Insights Team now claim that the state using the threat of benefit sanctions may be “counterproductive”. The idea of increasing welfare conditionality and enlarging the scope and increasing the frequency of benefit sanctions originated from the behavioural economics theories of the Nudge Unit in the first place.

The increased use and rising severity of benefit sanctions became an integrated part of welfare “conditionality” in the Conservative’s Welfare “reform” Act, 2012. The current sanction regime is based on a principle borrowed from behavioural economics theory – an alleged cognitive bias we have called “loss aversion.” It refers to the idea that people’s tendency is to strongly prefer avoiding losses to acquiring gains. The idea is embedded in the use of sanctions to “nudge” people towards compliance with welfare rules of conditionality, by using a threat of punitive financial loss, since the longstanding, underpinning Conservative assumption is that people are unemployed because of alleged behavioural deficits and poor decision-making. Hence the need for policies that “rectify ” behaviour.

This is important,

….anyone curious as to how such tyrannical behaviour modification techniques like benefit sanctions arose from the bland language, inane, managementspeak acronyms and pseudo-scientific framework of “paternal libertarianism” – nudge – here is an interesting read: Employing BELIEF: Applying behavioural economics to welfare to work, which is focused almost exclusively on New Right small state obsessions. Pay particular attention to the part about the alleged cognitive bias called loss aversion, on page 7.

It gets worse.

A lot worse, drivel wise that is.

This is what they propose:

Work

1 Use identity-building activities in Jobcentres to cultivate intrinsic motivation for work in order to improve the quality and sustainability of jobs that people find.

2 Collect longer-term and more holistic outcome measures of labour market interventions to understand their full impact on poverty.

3 Develop a simple tool for Jobcentres to identify capital deficits in order to match interventions to individual job seeker needs.

Sue Jones states,

Proposals such as providing access to parenting programmes, “identity-building activities in Jobcentres to cultivate intrinsic motivation for work”, “rainy day “savings, and “develop a simple tool for Jobcentres to identify capital deficits in order to match interventions to individual job seeker needs” all sound like a New Right blame-storming exercise. Again, the problem of poverty is regarded as being intrinsic to the individual, rather than one that arises in a wider political, economic, cultural and social context.

People have to read the Welfare Weekly article in full.

But the impression I get is that this latest  jolly prank looks like subjecting claimants to more, endlessly more, attempts by this lot to shape our lives and tell us what to do.

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Written by Andrew Coates

October 25, 2016 at 3:39 pm

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  1. NOT ONLY THE CLAIMANTS

    “Using software and outsourcing, they found ever more subtle ways to dehumanise people and to separate benefit staff from our actions”….

    http://www.thenational.scot/comment/cat-boyd-i-daniel-blake-lays-bare-process-of-dehumanisation-practised-at-dwp.23946

    INSIDER

    October 25, 2016 at 4:00 pm

  2. “I’ll spare you the ending to this glorious film so you can see it yourself.” Good idea! But have an idea how it might end knowing how Ken Loach like to play with our heart strings. Goodness why he didn’t just go into directing commercials, did he?, where the really big money is.

    The Film Buffs

    October 25, 2016 at 4:20 pm

  3. Reblogged this on Benefit tales.

    argotina1

    October 25, 2016 at 4:58 pm

  4. Reblogged this on campertess.

    Campertess

    October 25, 2016 at 5:28 pm

  5. I, Daniel Blake – Extended Trailer

    I, Daniel Blake

    October 25, 2016 at 7:03 pm

    • “Run the mouse up the screen”.

      Can’t wait to see this -it’s such a relief that this has been made. “Monumental farce” is exactly right; DWP/JCP- (not IDB).

      shirleynott

      October 26, 2016 at 10:53 am

  6. I have recently made a new claim for JSA and now I’ve got to do daily group sessions for four weeks at the joke centre.As soon as I was told this I thought nudge unit!SCUM

    foxglove

    October 25, 2016 at 7:21 pm

    • That will be that they can look over your shoulder while you do your universal jobmatch search. If you don’t give the fuckers access to your ujm account the fuckers force you to use the jobcentre computer, attend weekly/daily sessions. This is the jobcentres ‘workaround’ for “CLIENT HAS DENIED ACCESS TO THEIR UJM ACCOUNT”

      Nudge Unit

      October 26, 2016 at 9:49 am

    • Worry not foxglove as you can own as many UJM accounts and close as many as you want and DWP cant do anything about it. Simply open a new one, not your existing one then either daily or at the end of the week select contact us and ask to have the account deleted. Personally i would do it at the end of the day but that’s your choice but do remember it will burn off a little time daily if you have to keep setting them up.

      Further more to this if you actually look at the job adverts, your see 9 times out of 10 their either another jobsite (ie,adview,circle,etc) or a recruitment agency (ie, gi group,staff force,etc). This means you can circumnavigate UJM although without the need to sign in at all. It would require opening another email account but at least you can instantly delete that unlike UJM that takes up to 5 days to inform you that the account is closed. Also your not tied to using UJM but this does mean your other jobsite accounts going through their system but again unlike UJM can be deleted instantly.

      Just remember you are on a job search so no ones saying you have to apply for work, just that you look for work. If you see something write it down for later where you can go to another PC say at the library or something and apply their instead.

      So as you can see theirs more than one way to skin the UJM cat here

      doug

      October 26, 2016 at 12:12 pm

      • Can you really do this and get away with it, Doug?

        My work coach made me log in to my UJM account to prove to her that I had created one and told me that she wanted access to this account not only to scrutinise my “work search” – every bit of which I was told I was supposed to record in my UJM account’s activity history, like an online diary, even if applications had been made using other job boards, employment agencies, post, or other means – and to save selections of jobs she saved for me to apply for and also to send me messages about jobs and such like. Not being willing to be tracked like this online and being able to under the law I refused the DWP access of course.

        I have to log on to my account using gateway identification and password. Do you need a new gateway id for every UJM account you set up or can you have several UJM accounts with the same id? And how do you get away with deleting a UJM account? There seems to be no way of doing it other than telephoning the DWP and asking them to do it for you or wait eighteen months without logging in until it expires under its own steam. Won’t the DWP notice if you are on Jobseeker’s Allowance or Universal Credit and ask to get your account deleted? Or don’t log on to it as promised in your claimant commitment? I have denied the DWP access but reckon that they can still see whether I’m using the account, including when and for how long I’ve been logged on.

        I’ve got a lot of emails from employers about jobs I have applied for and have been offering my work coach a written diary of job applications and work search related activities (in lieu of allowing her, i.e., DWP, unrestricted access to my UJM account) and would love to do some of the monkey business you suggest but really can’t afford to get hit by a 12 week sanction which my Jobcentre seems to dole out like sweeties.

        Jem

        October 27, 2016 at 7:56 am

      • Firstly Jem when you come to this site in future always click on the header titled ipswich unemployed and it will list all the articles of the site and more importantly the latest one. I say this as your get speeder replies if you post on the latest article, just refer to a particular post then mention your issue with DWP.

        Yes its very true that you can have more than one account and close as many as you like. It makes no difference how long DWP take to close a gateway account down as your command to delete has to be obeyed from the date you sent it. Your always get different gateway IDs when opening one up but always make sure to use a different email address when registering.

        If you search this site or ask someone on the recent article to post it, can get the UJM toolkit chapter 3 which will stipulate what and what DWP can do and cant like for instance they cant command you give them access or cant state how you present your jobsearch evidence and on what medium.

        You can write down your UJM job search results on a bit of paper or print outs which is easier and can be done for all the jobsites you use.

        Secondly DWP CANT FORCE you to apply through your gateway account as how you apply (method as in email, other jobsite,etc) is entirely up to you. Always jobsearch UJM prior to login into your gateway account as then you don’t generate search results. I say this as most of all the jobs are literally either another jobsite like adview or a recruitment agency meaning you should go straight to them and apply on their site instead of allowing the likes of UJM and others the steal your personal data in the first place.

        Thirdly when registering DWP CANT make you use your personal data meaning make up your name,address,etc and stuff in the profile and when you get to SKILL I WANT TO BE MATCHED AGAINST instead of say putting electrician if you were one you put electron manipulator as that will also return zero results.

        By de selecting I WANT TO RECEIVE DWP EMAILS, that will stop DWP contacting you along with preventing them access. You can also make your CV private.

        https://www.valeofglamorgan.gov.uk/Documents/Living/Social%20Care/Disability/Adult-Autism-Advice-Employment/Print-List—Session-3—Job-Search/HOW-TO-USE-UNVERSAL-JOBMATCH.pdf

        YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO PRIVACY AND PROTECTION UNDER THE DATA PROTECTION ACT and DWP AND PROVIDER MUST OBEY THE LAW.

        On the subject of CVs their no legal requirement whats so ever to have one or how their set up meaning you can write what you like. Whats interesting about this is DWP CANT FORCE A CLAIMANT to use their personal and or sensitive data at all while registering including their CV.

        I advocate because of cybercrime and too many fake job adverts claimants actually change their CVs.

        Like only use your first name (so no surname), the area you live (ie manchester,ipswich,etc) and either a phone number or email address (recommend email address) but not both. Also remove employer business names and declare only the position you held. No weight,height,age or any personal details what so ever.

        Explain briefly on your CV because of cybercrime that you have removed personal details but will supply them on being offered a job or at a physical real interview.

        Go through this and like i said if you have any further questions locate the recent article on ipswich unemployed and i or someone else will help you.

        doug

        October 27, 2016 at 9:45 am

      • This is what the jobcentre do, doug – they force you to create an ujm account on the jobcentre computer!

        Job the Centre

        October 27, 2016 at 12:30 pm

      • UJM even records in the ‘activity history’ every time you change your CV from/to private to public. And why does the ‘activity log’ say ‘searchable’ instead of ‘public’ and ‘non searchable’ instead of ‘private’? UJM also records every time you delete/add a CV. And why can’t you delete edit the activity log? You can see a cock roach threatening a jobseeker with a sanction if they change their CV or make it ‘private’: “because I will know”

        Jobcentre User

        October 27, 2016 at 12:50 pm

      • Actually job the center, all they can do is make you register, THEY CANT MAKE YOU.

        1: Use your personal and or sensitive data while doing so
        2: They cant dictate what you put on a CV
        3: They cant tell you how to fill out the profile
        4: They cant make you apply through your gateway account
        5: They cant prohibit you from encrypting your CV
        6: They cant stop you going to apply directly to the employer or agency
        7: They cant insist you accept any contract.
        8: They cant stop you shutting down your UJM account the moment you proved it exists
        9: They cant stop you shutting down your ujm account period at point you decide to
        10: They cant stop you opening and closing as many UJM accounts as you like

        So job the center WHERE EXACTLY did their jobseeker direction get them, oh that’s right, precisely nowhere.

        I suggest you do some reading as clearly you know squat about what and what DWP can do but hey show us all a link that’s regulatory that would contradict everything i just said.

        I will leave you with one thought.

        Why does DWP have to get you to sign up to UJM, why don’t they just set them up and hand them out just like they did when they gave claimants personal data to work programme providers and sent claimants to them ?

        doug

        October 27, 2016 at 10:01 pm

      • Too right, doug. If the LAW was on the jobcentre’s side they would hand you out a unique Universal Jobmatch account; this would be your one and only account for LIFE or for as long as you remained on benefits. And if the LAW was on the jobcentre’s side there would be NO OPTION to disallow DWP access. And if the LAW was on the jobcentre’s side this is what jobseekers would face. But the LAW isn’t on the job centre’s side so why give the bastards what they want or allow yourself to be ‘nudged’ into giving the bastards what they want, and if you allow them to get what they want they will use it against you.

        Dalaw

        October 28, 2016 at 10:09 am

      • Giving the jobcentre what they want is as daft as opening your door to ‘TV Licensing’ showing them your TV, filling in their ‘confession’ form, ending up in court, and then thinking why did I open the door to the bastards in the first place, it is not like I had to. Same goes for UJM, they can force you to REGISTER – and that’s it!

        Dalaw

        October 28, 2016 at 10:12 am

  7. Politicians learn power of using nudge technique

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33631764

    http://www.theweek.co.uk/64498/return-of-the-nudge-in-fight-against-extremism

    As you can see government don’t care who they use it on and have been just as happily using it on the working public like the methods used on the organs donor scheme or the public’s health records going online for instance.

    As you can see it has nothing to do with medical science of any worthy note period. You see advertising and businesses have been using this technic for decades, small print on contracts being a prime example so government like all things are as usual late to the party again, a common trend these days like their lack of understanding I.T and generally anything real world.

    You see all they did for the donor scheme and patient personal records going online was reverse the process. Well we know they had low take up so it stands to reason that if you now make it so you have to de-enroll the figures change. The same happened with the health records. They knew if they had to ask, most would say no or not bother answering so they reversed it and bingo the ones that didn’t bother now are having their personal data banded all over the world. So instead of not bothering and being buried intact, your now faced with being carved up like for choice meat. What makes this worse is that many people with bad injuries in hospital that are close to heavens door are often let to die all for the sake of harvesting.

    This particular tact works on the basis that humans are inherently lazy, that’s right, your government thinks your all working or not a lazy bunch of knuckle dragging apes that aren’t clever enough to make the right decisions so their going to by hook nor crook make them for you.

    The human body has always been ones own place void of law or governance yet this government took it away from you and well, you all by far and large did nothing. Its a horrible thing to say but its true and now the state unless you had yourself taken off everything they geared via nudging owns you ON THE INSIDE AS WELL AS OUTSIDE.

    Its easy enough to see a nudge, just stop, listen and think before doing anything.

    doug

    October 26, 2016 at 12:52 pm

    • “So instead of not bothering and being buried intact, your now faced with being carved up like for choice meat. What makes this worse is that many people with bad injuries in hospital that are close to heavens door are often let to die all for the sake of harvesting.” Exactly, the just leave you, give the transplant vulture teams a call and then they move in on the dying like flies on the proverbial shite. What most people don’t realise is that you are ALIVE when your organs are removed. Does anyone actually think that they remove organs from stone, cold dead corpses!?

      Coma

      October 28, 2016 at 10:42 pm

  8. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16943729

    See the word SOCIAL NORMS and how its used ?

    doug

    October 26, 2016 at 1:01 pm

  9. “Other ideas worth considering in future, they added, included highlighting key information in bold or “strong” colours, using lotteries or prize draws as an incentive for prompt payment of taxes and sending “thank you” letters to people.”

    I see little evidence of them putting us in for prize draws every time we sign on.

    Andrew Coates

    October 26, 2016 at 2:12 pm

    • Incidentally I read the whole book, CoverNudge : improving decisions about health, wealth, and happiness
      By: Thaler, Richard H., 1945-By: Sunstein, Cass R. Yale University Press, 2008.
      293 p. ; 24 cm. from Ipswich Libraries.

      I notice that our kind review has had results: ”
      Location
      Ipswich County Library
      Adult non fiction hardback
      330.019
      Onloan – Due: 09 Nov 2016

      Andrew Coates

      October 26, 2016 at 4:27 pm

    • Prize draws like win a lifetime’s subscription to universal jobmatch with unlimited access 😀 😀

      The Chuckle Brothers

      October 26, 2016 at 8:13 pm

    • When I was on the Work Programme the provider (Prospects) sometimes rewarded participants with a doughnut if they were considered to have done well and the powers that be thought some positive reinforcement would help bend them to their will. The whole sorry thing was Pavlovian and even the dumbest amongst us knew it.

      Poohbah

      October 27, 2016 at 7:22 am

      • I’m sure we all had stuff like this happen to us. One thing I noticed was that people leading groups used to say the same things, e.g., “This is a great group”, “I like this group” and “This is one of the best groups I’ve had”, using the same identical words in the same order. Now different people rarely say exactly the same things, in the same way and in the same context, when talking spontaneously and so I guess that the “group leaders” had been told to utter these sound bites in hopes of rendering some positive effect amongst those assembled. They were flogging a dead horse of course because nobody, apart from them, gave a shit about anything they said or thought about work programme draftees. Despite this faux warmth and fellow feeling we all knew that every single one of them was prepared to arrange a sanction for any of us at the drop of a hat in order to keep their stats/outcomes looking favourable if given half a chance.

        Jem

        October 27, 2016 at 9:21 am

      • Gem , nudge nudge nudge is all DWP is about, their a one trick pony and sadly play on peoples ignorance to trick them into all sorts of things.

        The idea of the group is to make the individual feel like their not being persecuted,singled out but you are as you present a problem to DWP. You see if they all had you sit alone instead, you would see that defiance grow further, spending more time visiting places like this learning what DWP cant do rather than job search. Granted those fake lines are another nudge but ultimately its all about pacifying you all, lowing you into a false sense of security and DWP getting what they want rather than what you need which is to sling you into the first unsecure poorly paid usually temp job they can find to improve their sats.

        Recruitment agency are just as bad with their fake adverts all for the sake of getting you on their books so they look good to employers. Recruitment agencies get you to agree to all sorts of things like being able to pass your personal data outside of the EU as i found out with a company called essential recruitment. Have you consent to be available 24/7 meaning little to no chance of retraining for a better career and whats worse is they can get you to take any piece of crap job as if you don’t, DWP will simply say you refused work and cut off your dole for 13/16 weeks when you try and reapply.

        With regards to recruitment agencies, NEVER SIGN THE CONTRACT with an agency that will be paying you while your working for another. Theirs no law whats so ever for them to offer or you to accept and employment or in their case service contract. Simply inform the recruitment agency of the changes you want in the contract (they will say no as they often do) then if DWP ask state you couldn’t agree on contract terms. You don’t have to explain what the nature of the problem was as its strictly personal between you and the recruitment agency and as you didnt grant the agency legal consent to process your data, their forbidden under law to make any comment to DWP should DWP inquiry which is also illegal for them to do when you acknowledge these facts.

        Theirs no legal requirement to offer or accept a contract of employment/service contract. You can agree to work without one meaning you haven’t refused employment but simply the employer refused to take you on, on the basis you didn’t like their contract and they wont change it.

        In order to ring said recruitment agency and inquiry about an individual, you must give your legal consent as its new personal data not subject to your original claim and thus data permission for benefit in the first place. The only way outside of this is to suspect you of a crime which in this case would be fraud. Like the police, fraud is a criminal act meaning presumption of innocence comes into play meaning DWP have to show grounds prior to suspecting you of a crime.

        Lastly when we talk DWP, all employees must agree to the civil service code which states they will enforce and obey the laws and this includes the data protection act that sadly for them ranks above welfare reform.

        doug

        October 27, 2016 at 10:25 am

      • Many thanks for coming 😀 😀 You have all been GREAT 😀 😀 This has been the best group EVER 😀 😀

        'Course' Tutor

        October 27, 2016 at 11:55 am

      • On the old New Deal we were awarded things, once time the whole lot of us were treated to Pizza Hut as we behaved so well with the inspectors/ofsted came round.
        I have read the other comments like this is a great group, best group I had this was on one of the customer services courses not mentioning the training provider, the guy who ran the course did his best

        one_more_name

        November 3, 2016 at 2:21 pm

  10. I signed on this morning, my work coach told me that my JSA is a wage and I have to do 35 hours or more a week to earn it, you couldn’t make this crap up could you, HOW THE F*CK CAN £2 AN HOUR BE A WAGE?

    Marie

    October 26, 2016 at 2:41 pm

    • Marie,I was told the same thing on my daily groupie session,but this cock roach bitch said it was about £1.70 an hr, even better! WTF!

      foxglove

      October 26, 2016 at 3:15 pm

    • If claiming is a job then you are an employee and as such means you must be paid the NLW and not a penny less and as it 35 hours they also have to sort out your tax credits,child tax credits if you have kids and housing benefit as your not entitled to unemployment benefit working 35 hours a week.I could embarrass them further but hey that’s more than enough to shut them up.

      Put this in that work coaches pipe and tell them to suck really hard before they make a bigger tit of themselves in future.

      doug

      October 26, 2016 at 3:30 pm

      • Nice one doug 😀

        Marie

        October 26, 2016 at 4:25 pm

      • Thanks for that Doug,think I will bring that up at tomorrows codswollop sess!

        foxglove

        October 26, 2016 at 4:54 pm

    • They say the exact same shit on those ‘work programme’ ‘courses: “The jobcentre is your EMPLOYER. And claiming JSA is a JOB. In return for your benefits you are expected to put in at least a full working week looking for work.” Yeah, it’s total fucking codswallop!

      Work Programme Victim

      October 26, 2016 at 8:08 pm

      • And also on the new deal and Flexible New Deal.

        one_more_name

        October 27, 2016 at 9:30 am

      • “Looking for work is a full time job.”

        I’ve heard senior politicians from every party say this on many occasions.

        (And unelected advisor non-politician wankers like David Freud and company.)

        Nothing anybody does in respect to paid work is a “job” unless you get £7.20 per hour or more as a wage.

        Jongleur Honorificabilitudinitatibus

        October 29, 2016 at 7:24 am

    • “my work coach told me that my JSA is a wage”

      Ask the idiot are all wages going to go down to £72 “to save money”.

      Ask the idiot if it’s a wage why it’s less than the NMW then.

      Ask the idiot if their wages are only £72 a week as their “wages” are also pad for by hard-working taxpayers.

      Another Fine Mess

      October 26, 2016 at 10:19 pm

    • Nobody living outside of a great city can work search alone and unaided for 35 hours a week. It isn’t possible.

      Jem

      October 27, 2016 at 9:23 am

      • Job hunting Jem is like how long is a piece of string as you can find a job in your first ad or the thousandth.

        If we use Chelsea FC of old when mournino first ever took them on they had little procession yet always won when up till then usually the one with the most possession usually won. Still using football how many times have you seen a team pepper pot the goal but not get one in and lose ?
        Lastly Man city and Chelsea had the best teams with the best players last season but still both lost the premiership.

        So with the best trainers,best players,best teams, best possession and shots on goal your still guaranteed NOTHING.

        That’s the JOKE of more is better.

        doug

        October 27, 2016 at 10:44 am

      • If you told any person, even a politician that if you roll a die enough times their get a 6, do you still think their be rolling it for the 486th time or the millionth to get a single 6 or do you think their just give up ?

        doug

        October 27, 2016 at 10:47 am

      • The DWP states: “Whilst you are unemployed we expect you to do all you can do to find work.” In an expanding job searching universe with ever increasing entropy there are an infinite amount of possibilities. How long is a piece of string?

        Professor Steven Hawking

        October 27, 2016 at 11:07 am

      • In other words there is ALWAYS something you DIDN’T do but you COULD have done. You applied for an infinite amount of jobs, cycled to the Moon and back to look for work but didn’t hand a CV into Evans the Bakers.

        DNA

        October 27, 2016 at 11:14 am

      • The jobsearch universe shrunk the moment it went on the net actually. Then shrunk further when jobs went low. Every single job is advertised more times than you can imagine (2 digit figure) so theirs far less jobs than you can imagine and i know this as i data mine jobsites and record all sorts of fields.

        Walking around asking is a loss these days as they always say go to our website. Employers always dear john prospective applications and on and on i could go about how the market has shrunk not just in amounts of jobs but how you gain work. Take UJM, 90% of it is either other jobsites, recruitment agencies offering temp poorly paid work and of course tons of fake jobs looking to steal a person personal data.

        And on UJM their is no better instance of exactly what i mean to end on.

        doug

        October 27, 2016 at 10:12 pm

      • A lot of UJM adverts seem to be agency work. I had a very bad experience with an employment agency called The Best Connection. Basically I signed a contract with them in respect to work and they pimped me out like a slave for very low rates of pay, very unpredictably, most times without notice, Sometimes they’d ring me on spec, out of nowhere, and send me miles away for a day or even half a day’s work. A day here, a week there, it was bloody awful. The people I worked for had to sign a form stating how many hours of work I’d done which I then had to photograph and send digitally to the Best Connection who, eventually, paid me. As soon as I found myself full-time work I told this agency to take me off their book and never to contact me again.

        My point is that I ended up in this bloody awful situation after applying for a job advertised on Universal Jobmatch which ended up making me badly treated forced labour for a private employment agency who paid me the minimum wage while charging the businesses they rented me out to four or five times more.

        Seriously: BE VERY CAREFUL USING PRIVATE EMPLOYMENT AGENCIES WHEN JOB SEEKING.

        Some are reputable but a lot of them will use you up like meat.

        Jongleur Honorificabilitudinitatibus

        October 29, 2016 at 7:35 am

  11. INDEED WTF, PISS TAKING B*STARDS!!!

    Marie

    October 26, 2016 at 3:25 pm

  12. Victory for Cinderford woman in benefits battle with DWP

    “They tried at every turn to trip me up and put me off going through the appeal,

    I was asked lots of irrelevant questions about my education, what food I liked and my house.

    http://www.theforestreview.co.uk/article.cfm?id=105039&headline=Victory%20for%20Cinderford%20woman%20in%20benefits%20battle%20with%20DWP&sectionIs=news&searchyear=2016

    ken

    October 26, 2016 at 10:08 pm

  13. Somebody’s got the message about ‘nudges’:

    In excruciating pain. Unable to sleep. Yet John is still ‘fit for work’

    In our Kafka-meets-IDS bureaucracy, disabled people like John are forced into work they can’t do. Like Daniel Blake, he’s being crushed by the system

    John’s world was torn apart on a Monday morning three weeks ago. First came a text message that read: “We will ring you within 2-3 hours to discuss the outcome of your work capability assessment.” Then the phone went. A “decision maker” at the Department for Work and Pensions told John he’d been judged fit for work – despite his extreme pain, despite all his doctors had said. One of the benefits he needed to live on – employment and support allowance – would stop immediately.

    You may have seen the new film I, Daniel Blake; John is living it. Just like Ken Loach’s character, he’s in his late 50s. He too is in no condition to hold down a full-time job, yet has been told by his own government that he must find work. His story tells you that the nightmare depicted by Loach and the scriptwriter Paul Laverty is neither fictional nor historical – but is being visited right now on our friends, our neighbours and us.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/26/fit-for-work-disability-cuts-bureaucracy-daniel-blake

    Andrew Coates

    October 27, 2016 at 10:31 am

    • John is considered fit for work because he’s still living just like many other Daniels who are targeted.

      news seeker

      October 27, 2016 at 11:38 am

    • Not yet Daniel Blake?

      1. Give to a “clothes bank”

      Donating to food banks (including giving sanitary towels) is a simple way of helping people struggling through benefit cuts, but it’s worth searching your local area to see if you have a “clothes bank” near you too. Bedding, old school uniforms and warm clothes are always needed.

      4. Become an appeal advocate

      When people are rejected for benefits, an appeal is their only hope. But, with welfare advice centres cut and Citizens Advice under huge pressure, many have no one to support them at what’s an exhausting time. If you have legal knowledge or can simply help at filling out forms, search online to see if there are any groups in your area you can volunteer with (or start your own).

      https://samedifference1.com/2016/10/26/you-might-not-be-daniel-blake-but-heres-how-you-can-help-him/

      news seeker

      October 27, 2016 at 12:35 pm

  14. At the daily groupie session today one of the joke centre clowns was yacking about some shit,his face was plastered with make-up,he was wearing a long black wig,a quite short dress,fancy tights and women’s shoes.l know it’s nearly Halloween but what’s that about???

    foxglove

    October 27, 2016 at 12:47 pm

    • Probably a transgender, he sounds like a colourful individual, what colour lipstick was he wearing? 😁

      Marie

      October 27, 2016 at 1:00 pm

    • Looking like that in a Jobcentre would probably get a claimant sanctioned.

      Jongleur Honorificabilitudinitatibus

      October 29, 2016 at 7:37 am

  15. ESA Claimants: A New Trick From The DWP.

    If you have worsened after failing an ESA test and claim ESA again, they can now make a new ‘assessment’ just a couple of days after your phone claim, without waiting for your new evidence.

    They say they can ‘assess’ you on the basis of the previous evidence. They say that this counts as a new full Work Capability Assessment. Unfortunately, a judge has recently decided that they can do it, oh dear.

    read more.

    https://samedifference1.com/2016/10/27/esa-claimants-a-new-trick-from-the-dwp/

    news seeker

    October 27, 2016 at 1:00 pm

  16. Oxford University research shows link between sanctions and use of charity parcels, a pattern ministers refuse to accept.

    Oxford uni! well I should have went there find this out!

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/oct/27/benefit-sanctions-food-banks-oxford-university-study

    news seeker

    October 27, 2016 at 1:27 pm

  17. Liverpool boys give ‘penny for the guy’ cash to homeless man.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-37782899

    Marie

    October 27, 2016 at 1:57 pm

    • They will soon be told not to do it.

      news seeker

      October 27, 2016 at 2:01 pm

      • Agreed, they’ll probably make it a criminal offence!

        Marie

        October 27, 2016 at 2:32 pm

  18. They will probably make it a criminal offence.

    Marie

    October 27, 2016 at 2:34 pm

  19. More of the same.

    “A national programme to make employers aware of the skills and potential of autistic people would be a good start. But this needs to be accompanied by the introduction of autism-specific support to help autistic people find and stay in work. Employers also have a role to play by following the growing number of companies, such as GCHQ and Microsoft, which are supporting autistic people into work through specialist recruitment programmes or work experience.

    http://www.welfareweekly.com/im-not-unemployable-im-autistic/

    news seeker

    October 27, 2016 at 3:16 pm

  20. […] Behavioural “Insights” Team on Sanctions and “Identity-building activities.” […]

  21. On the Work Programme this could involve being told to “get out of your comfort zone”,

    I got told this statement once and trust me once only when I was on the Wank Programme.

    After this I went to see my personal doctor at my local surgery and told him his name and what he had said plus where he worked, … I told him every sentence the guy spoke.

    The following appointment at my provider for the wank programme I asked “Is the the pillock who’d asked me those questions still working there” – The answer was NO he has been dismissed for inappropriate questioning of clients.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    November 5, 2016 at 4:22 pm


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