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Damian Green lavishes praise on Iain Duncan Smith for ‘pouring his heart’ into job.

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Iain Duncan Smith: Very fond of hearts, preferably with a nice Chianti. 

Ipswich Unemployed Action posts this breaking news in the knowledge that us lot, here, do not exactly share this “appreciation”.

New Tory welfare chief Damian Green lavishes praise on Iain Duncan Smith for ‘pouring his heart’ into job

Says the Mirror,

The new Tory welfare chief has lavished praise on Bedroom Tax architect and sanctions defender Iain Duncan Smith.

Work and Pensions Secretary Damian Green said Mr Duncan Smith “poured his heart” into changing the welfare system and should be honoured.

Mr Green said: “We’ve already started this journey. We are building on the record of Iain Duncan Smith, who over six years poured his heart into welfare reform – as did his successor Stephen Crabb.”We should thank both of them for the work they did.

“Our approach of reforming welfare, making work pay and supporting those who need the most help has transformed this country.”

He said a million more people were in work than in 2010, adding: “We should be proud of that record.”

And despite studies showing it will leave many thousands of pounds worse off, he said: “Universal Credit which sits at the heart of our welfare reforms ensures you will always be better off in work.”

Mr Green used the example of people with genetic conditions including Down’s Syndrome who he met doing jobs.

“Work is better for their self esteem, their sense of worth and their physical or mental health,” he said.


Just a minor point, the grammatically challenged Mr Green should note that the correct preposition is “Our approach to reforming Welfare”, the use of ‘of’ (as in his malapropism, ‘Our approach of reforming welfare’) which appears  the result of a distant memory of lessons on the objective genitive, is incorrect. 



Written by Andrew Coates

October 4, 2016 at 3:12 pm

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  1. Reblogged this on sdbast.


    October 4, 2016 at 3:15 pm

  2. Transforming lives, sure enough for millions only not for the better, we see them every day.

    news seeker

    October 4, 2016 at 4:33 pm

  3. Work and pensions secretary Damian 666 Green said Mr Duncan Smith “poured his heart” into forcing claimants to work for nothing on his crap workfare schemes, and driving them to an early grave with cruel benefit sanctions.


    October 4, 2016 at 4:37 pm

    • Surely the behaviour of IDS demonstrates that the man has no heart?

      Mad for Jezza

      October 4, 2016 at 5:13 pm

    • Yes Damian 666 Green whenever he gets in trouble he turns on his head & called Damian 999 Green. Damian 666 Green thinks that the police force is going to save his suicide job.

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      October 5, 2016 at 1:35 pm

  4. Praising others for their success, in the case of course for saving billions of £’s and rising by the day.

    Regarding work, do you get the feeling that every employer is waiting for something?

    news seeker

    October 4, 2016 at 4:41 pm

  5. Marie

    October 4, 2016 at 4:53 pm

  6. I doubt whether we will ever know how many people now dead would still be alive if Iain Duncan Smith had never been Secretary of State for Work and Pensions. How many innocent lives were sacrificed on the altar of this creature’s bloated ego and messianic insanity? As for the million jobs, well, did the people get them because the economy produced them – a glut of zero hour contract employment and insecure low paid part-time jobs were created by firms like Sports Direct and similar – or “welfare reform” presumably by means of a diet of sanction and coercion one assumes?

    But the bottom line is this: How many have died because of Iain Duncan Smith’s catastrophic meddling?

    I wonder if we will ever know and don’t understand why investigative journalists are not exposing the lies and horrors that went on in the DWP under the misrule of that monster IDS. Why doesn’t someone look into and expose this matter?

    Mad for Jezza

    October 4, 2016 at 5:11 pm

  7. I doubt if anyone will look into this matter, nobody seems to care.


    October 4, 2016 at 5:40 pm

  8. Titanic… Deck Chairs… and the band played on with the same unchanging tune.

    This Behold is the brave new future before us, under out new “Overseer”, not called George the Idiot Duncan Smith. More of the same, repackaged and renamed.

    God. Help. Us.


    October 4, 2016 at 8:40 pm

  9. I’m wondering when they’re going to make a Hollywood movie out of this sheeeiiit!


    October 4, 2016 at 9:10 pm

  10. “The Greedy in this country doesn’t value the Welfare State. It is part of the Greedy British way of life.

    “As Greedy Tories we believe in giving someone a sanction when they need it. This should be a hand up, not just a hand out. to hunger.

    “We must always be hard-headed, but we must never be soft-hearted. A Torie Government will always take away what is rightly yours when it is needed.

    Want to see more of this see


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    October 4, 2016 at 9:46 pm


    The time has come to remove for ever the ideological templates provided by the socialist left and the libertarian right.

    To pit one against another, to pursue vendettas and settle scores.

    leading to anti-capitalist riots.

    Responsible capitalism is completely essential if we are going to tackle the social justice agenda.

    “The state exists to provide what individual people, communities and markets cannot; and that we should employ the power of government to control the people.

    “If we act to correct unfairness and injustice and put government at the service of ordinary working people, we can build that new united Britain in which everyone complies to our rules and in which the powerful and the privileged continue to out do the people.


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    October 4, 2016 at 10:25 pm

  12. David Davis: Government could force firms to offer jobs to British workers first.

    BREXIT Secretary David Davis today suggested the Government could compel businesses to offer jobs to British workers before being allowed to employ migrant workers.

    In conversation with LBC Radio host Iain Dale, Mr Davis added: “The other side of this whole coin is we have to make sure that our own population are ready and equipped to work.

    “Whether it’s low-skilled workers – and that’s about motivation and commitment to work – if it’s higher-skilled it’s about education.

    news seeker

    October 4, 2016 at 10:43 pm

    • The UK is becoming racist only it’s those who only think of themselves.

      news seeker

      October 6, 2016 at 2:32 pm

    • Nothing motivates better than a bit of starvation and the permanent threat of destitution and homelessness.


      October 6, 2016 at 5:24 pm

      • 😀

        Sword of Damocles

        October 11, 2016 at 10:55 am

    • As Benjamin J. Barber remarked in Consumed: “How Markets Corrupt Children, Infantilize Adults, and Swallow Citizens Whole” the biggest mistake we made with property was to ‘take title’. Back in the day, generations of families would pass homesteads and ranches down from one generation to the next without interference or hindrance. But once we let the banks take charge we were screwed.

      Off topic, but he also describes a motor car as ‘skin’ – you don’t drive a car, you drive a ‘skin’… 😉


      October 11, 2016 at 11:03 am

  13. Social mobility package.

    Children to get the best start in life. with the aim of opportunity to build young people’s knowledge and skills and provide them with the best advice and opportunities, including working with organisations such as the Careers and Enterprise Company, the Confederation of British Industry, the Federation of Small Businesses, and the National Citizen Service.


    Cadet Expansion Programme in schools across the UK by 2020.programme targeting schools in less affluent areas to ensure everyone has access to the full cadet experience. – decrease anti-social behaviour through an improved attitude, improved school attendance and classroom behaviour.


    news seeker

    October 4, 2016 at 11:07 pm

    • six “opportunity areas” in England in a £60m scheme to promote social mobility, supporting schools and links with employers.

      The first areas will be Blackpool, Derby, Norwich, Oldham, Scarborough and West Somerset.


      “The Tories cannot provide any evidence that new grammar schools will aid social mobility for children from the most disadvantaged communities.”


      news seeker

      October 5, 2016 at 10:56 am

      • So that’s £10m per area, eh? I don’t think that will make a lot of difference to biggish areas such as those listed. If selective education make a come back we will have what we had before: well funded and staffed grammar schools with low pupil to teacher ratios, libraries, laboratories and books for every student and the other schools where too few teacher have to deal with to many children, with student having to share books because too few have been bought t give each student their own copy, and the only science pupils have a chance to be exposed to is domestic science, preparatory to getting jobs in service, kitchen, restaurants and similar serving others within the hospitality trades.


        October 7, 2016 at 5:34 pm

    • David Cameron has pledged to try to make non-military national service “a rite of passage” for every British teenager in his first job since resigning as prime minister.

      A month after stepping down as an MP, Cameron has announced that he is to chair an expanded National Citizen Service (NCS) – a summer camp initiative he set up in his first months in office designed to instil social responsibility in young people as part of his “big society”.

      Cameron writes: “That should be our goal – not necessarily a compulsory programme, but one that is universally available and becomes a normal part of growing up for every teenager.”


      news seeker

      October 12, 2016 at 11:00 am

  14. Globalisation: Where on the elephant are you?

    On Thursday, 6 October the BBC will be reporting from around the world on the impact of globalisation on people’s lives and on the growing movement against free trade.

    There will be special coverage on TV, radio and online. but it’s the BBC!


    news seeker

    October 4, 2016 at 11:46 pm

  15. Something strange happening!

    news seeker

    October 5, 2016 at 8:19 am

  16. Oct 10th, “facebook at work” I would suggest facebook users to close their accounts.

    news seeker

    October 5, 2016 at 9:03 am

  17. Hiding the identities of the worlds richest individuals.



    October 5, 2016 at 11:06 am

  18. Penny Mordaunt the disability minister has now cured cancer. Since not many people know who the Tory disabled minister is.

    They Work For You

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    October 5, 2016 at 1:37 pm

    • All votes about paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability:

      On 9 Mar 2011:
      Penny Mordaunt voted to introduce Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payments and to restrict housing benefit for those in social housing deemed to have excess bedrooms.

      On 9 Mar 2011:
      Penny Mordaunt voted to introduce Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payments and to restrict housing benefit for those in social housing deemed to have excess bedrooms.

      On 8 Jun 2016:
      Penny Mordaunt voted for reductions in benefits for disabled and ill claimants who are deemed capable of work.

      On 20 Jul 2016:
      Penny Mordaunt voted for cuts in housing benefit for recipients in supported housing.

      And many more

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      October 5, 2016 at 1:46 pm

  19. Politicians are like football managers here today gone tomorrow. IDS wants to get rid of May & become PM.

    IDS for PM.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    October 5, 2016 at 1:39 pm

    • Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven…

      … according to John Milton somebody else once thought that once upon a time too.


      October 5, 2016 at 5:44 pm

      • Only nine of the words were Milton’s, all of the rest of them WERE mine.


        October 6, 2016 at 5:26 pm

    • Quotes of crap – Can you not use your own words !!!

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      October 5, 2016 at 6:17 pm

  20. Amber Rudd is a racist. Amber Rudd & the Tories say – Don`t call Amber Rudd a racist. The Tory Party are racist.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    October 5, 2016 at 1:42 pm

    • Theresa May sets out post-Brexit blueprint amid growing storm of Tory racism claims.

      Theresa’s May’s attempt to position herself as a centrist is undermined by the extreme policies of her own Government. She has been a longstanding member of a cabinet that has overseen years of stagnating wages, the systematic dismantling of our NHS and toxic rhetoric on migration. The Conservative party might now be wearing sheep’s clothing, but they have the record and policies of wolves.

      “Today’s attempted repositioning sounded like an election pitch, but without an election. If Theresa May is serious about handing power back to people then she must call a General Election to give the public a say on who leads the country at this most crucial of times.”


      news seeker

      October 5, 2016 at 1:47 pm

  21. TMay speech to CPC16 “We’ve made the political centre ground xenophobic we should all be very proud”

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    October 5, 2016 at 1:50 pm


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    October 5, 2016 at 1:51 pm


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    October 5, 2016 at 1:53 pm

  24. Jan Ravens totally smashes a Theresa May impression! #CPC16

    Published on 3 Oct 2016

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    October 5, 2016 at 1:56 pm

  25. Seriously ill Willesden man had his benefits stopped after he was deemed ‘fit for work’ weeks before he died.

    Ricky Neacey was forced to fight the decision by the Department of Work and Pensions to axe his Jobseekers allowance before it finally did a U-turn and accepted his health was failing.

    The 52-year-old, who lived in a bedsit in Park Avenue, was eventually allowed to claim Employment Support Allowance (ESA), which is given to people who are deemed too ill to work, three weeks before dying from chronic liver failure.

    Mark Neacey has slammed the ‘shameful’ treatment of his brother in his final weeks.


    news seeker

    October 5, 2016 at 3:32 pm

    • Oct 2015 – The hidden DWP deaths – The cover ups are making the Tories suicidal in right with genocide of the Tory Party. The Tories are so selfish that it is only the Tory Party that has suicide within it`s ranks. Political suicide & suicide are two different things that the Tories are using for a propaganda war on its own people. The genocide aka social cleansing of anyone who does not fit into rich Tory life aka Rupert Murdoch`s puppets. Kevin Murdoch used to run a Hip Hop Record label in the late 90s that went bust & no one got paid, so Rupert Murdoch your son has a price tag on his head for a shooting.

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      October 5, 2016 at 4:16 pm

  26. To bring up Disability Hate Crimes means I am breaking the Disability Hate crime laws. To bring up racism means I am a racist in the eyes of the Tories to uphold the laws which I am accused of breaking. Only the Tory can have a Hate Crime against its people because the Tories are Disability champions.

    The Tories have a very bad Mental Health problem that is spreading in all walks of life. The Tory tactics are using Mental Health as a weapon not realizing that they themselves have a Mental Health Issue. In other words the Tories have gone nutty.

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    October 5, 2016 at 4:21 pm

  27. Common sense is a mental illness. Work is a mental illness. Having kids is a mental illness. Being a OAP is a mental illness. Democracy is a mental illness. Having a voice & freedom of speech is a mental illness. Thinking you have any Human Rights & Equality is a mental illness. Death is the only way one has not got a mental illness. So Tory Suicide policy is a Tory Mental illness.

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    October 5, 2016 at 4:26 pm

  28. Where is the extra £200 billion coming from Tories. Time to rob & kill off the OAP`s & their pensions. That sorts out the biggest share of voters & strain on the NHS.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    October 5, 2016 at 4:29 pm

  29. DWP I am still waiting to be arrested for £800,000 disability fraud.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    October 5, 2016 at 4:30 pm

    • Set an example DWP !!! No you don`t want to because it will fuck up Rupert Murdoch & the national press. £15,000 benefit fraud makes the national press. Well since I am not disabled I have been doing benefit fraud for the past 30 years. WCA fuck up.

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      October 5, 2016 at 4:32 pm

      • So who really has the power !!!

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        October 5, 2016 at 4:33 pm



        October 14, 2016 at 9:06 am

  30. The plunder and genocide of eviction.



    October 5, 2016 at 4:45 pm

  31. The Tories are trying to be worse than Hitler at the Tory Nazi Party. Big yellow star for the Tories.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    October 5, 2016 at 6:18 pm

    • Since disability is under the Anti terrorist Bill – Who give a shit what the Tories think is a bomb squad of Tories.

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      October 5, 2016 at 6:21 pm

  32. Not reassessing ESA but reassessing PIP makes it illegal.

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    October 5, 2016 at 6:20 pm

  33. I am a WCA DWP terrorist working for genocide of hard working tories.

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    October 5, 2016 at 6:22 pm

  34. Key words to set alarm bells ringing – DWP Suicide terrorists.

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    October 5, 2016 at 6:23 pm

    • Murder by the DWP sanctioned by the Tories.

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      October 5, 2016 at 6:24 pm

      • Murder by the tories sanctioned by the DWP – Lord Fraud death wish.

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        October 5, 2016 at 6:25 pm

  35. Yes death threats now act like a Tory Party !!!

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    October 5, 2016 at 6:26 pm

  36. My mood has changed – oh dear he is now suicidal better call the police as a caring suicide wish.

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    October 5, 2016 at 6:27 pm

  37. Now who`s taking the piss with a carer !!!

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    October 5, 2016 at 6:27 pm

  38. Take me to court DWP & Tories quick – Since there is no legal aid you will win !!! Don`t want the publicity so Tories go down in silence !!

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    October 5, 2016 at 6:29 pm

  39. Now where`s my razor`s !!! No I want a shave you genocide suicidal Tories !!! Now where`s my shoelaces & my belt !! I want to get dress you Disability Hate Crime Tories !!!

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    October 5, 2016 at 6:31 pm

  40. Hanging by suicide !!! Don`t give medicine if you can`t take your own medicine !!! Have you taken your medication Tories since I have not got a mental health issue. Before the Tories can give ,me a mental health issue I have to have a WCA until then it is a disability hate crime.

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    October 5, 2016 at 6:33 pm

  41. I will leave the ranting to the Tory suicide policy.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    October 5, 2016 at 6:34 pm

  42. Austria is ready to confront other European Union members states over its opposition to a free trade deal with Canada, Chancellor Christian Kern said, because it sees it containing many of the same problems as one being negotiated with the United States.

    Austria opposes a proposed free trade deal with the United States, and Kern said the deal with Canada, called the Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA), had many of the same problems.

    “This will be difficult, this will be the next conflict in the EU that Austria will trigger … We must focus on making sure … we don’t shift the power balance in favour of global enterprises,” Kern told broadcaster ORF late on Wednesda


    Mass mobilisation by people across the EU has made TTIP as good as dead. But another corporate-backed trade deal is about to get its approval from EU member states — and it is just as dangerous: CETA.


    news seeker

    October 5, 2016 at 6:37 pm

  43. Kill The disabled !!! Wait a minute that is not my policy, that is the Tories policy so don`t turn it around & say I said Kill The disabled !! But then again I have no choice in disability hate crimes.

    Twisted Tory Suicide.

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    October 5, 2016 at 6:37 pm

  44. The Tories are now illegal in Human Rights just like Dodgy Daves bill of rights to make Human Rights a thing of the past. Tories you the new bill of rights otherwise guilty of breaking all of the Human Rights Laws.

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    October 5, 2016 at 6:39 pm

  45. Now where is the gas to be gassed !!!

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    October 5, 2016 at 6:40 pm

  46. Tory Bipolar – Tory nutty statements

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    October 5, 2016 at 6:42 pm

  47. Are you alright IDS since they took your baby away called the Welfare Reform. Who is not fit for purpose the disabled or the Tories !!!

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    October 5, 2016 at 6:43 pm

  48. “The party for working people”. Well that’s a load of cobblers isn’t it.

    Another Fine Recession

    October 5, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    • It could have been worse: it could have been the “party for hard working families” whatever the hell that means.


      October 6, 2016 at 5:28 pm

  49. Scottish government calls for end to work programme sanctions

    Minister calls on UK to confirm that Scots taking part in voluntary work should be exempt from having benefits stopped

    The newly devolved powers, which were agreed under the Scotland Act, allow Scottish ministers to design their own employment services for disabled people and those at risk of long-term unemployment for the first time from April 2017, and will account for around £2.7bn or 15% of the total Scottish benefits bill. These transitional arrangements will be made before a full Scottish programme of employment support begins in April 2018.

    But sanctions will remain reserved to Westminster. According to research by the Scottish Greens, 80,000 sanctions have been issued to people on employment programmes in Scotland since 2010.


    news seeker

    October 6, 2016 at 7:29 am

  50. “A sharp line of distinction between those who are the foundation and support of the nation’s existence and greatness. And those, like almost everybody I’ve encountered so far today, who were just domiciled in the states simply as earners of their livelihood here. What do you think will come next?


    news seeker

    October 6, 2016 at 7:40 am

    • Kind of weird since Amber Rudd was a pro EU remainer.


      October 15, 2016 at 9:49 am

  51. Technical scope and specified outcomes for the current DWP trial of Govcoin distributed ledger technology.

    The data from the proof-of-concept study is anonymised and aggregated before it reaches DWP, which will be evaluated qualitatively. The study is looking at the following specific areas:

     Adoption. Will this group of consumers use mobile based payments? What do they gain from the experience? Does their behaviour change?

     Technology. Does the recording of transactions on a private permissioned distributed ledger ensure that the application securely and cost effectively delivers the requirements, and maintain the claimants’ privacy? Is it scalable?

     Operations. What are the administrative implications of such scaling? What learnings can be gained for implementing on a wider or deeper (higher functionality) basis?

    DWP and GovCoin aim for UK citizens to be amongst the first to benefit from the use of distributed technology based, consumer centred applications.


    news seeker

    October 6, 2016 at 9:29 am

    • An alternative currency to stigmatise the poor, sick and disabled even more.

      Only a psycho think tank could come up with this kind of crap.


      October 6, 2016 at 2:56 pm

  52. The sham at the heart of Theresa *witch* May’s cultural revolution.



    October 6, 2016 at 11:31 am

    • It’s our way or the highway. there’s trouble ahead.

      news seeker

      October 6, 2016 at 12:02 pm

  53. Home Secretary Amber Rudd attacks Jeremy Corbyn for launching a migration fund – then launches a migration fund.


    news seeker

    October 6, 2016 at 1:25 pm

  54. New Reality TV Show – PM Catfights & Fistycuffs

    Episode 1:
    Theresa May Vs Diane Abbott

    Episode 2:
    IDS Vs Tom Watson

    Episode 3:
    Dodgy Dave Vs Nigel Farage

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  55. Is This Tory Government Even Legal?

    AFairerSociety.uk – 5th Oct 2016

    Election Fraud: Britain’s Conservative Party ‘Broke the Law to Win the 2015 General Election’ This is an example of the kind of headline that went around the world earlier this year.

    There are currently nineteen police forces investigating twenty-nine Conservative MPs

    Read More:

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    • “”””So we are faced with twenty-nine Tory MPs under investigation for electoral fraud. Fraud that if they are deemed to have committed should at least lead to their resignations as MPs. If this is the case with more than sixteen of these MPs then the Conservatives did not win a majority in 2015.””””

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  56. Police Forces Investigating Electoral Fraud
    •Avon & Somerset
    •Devon & Cornwall
    •Greater Manchester
    •Metropolitan Police (London)
    •West Midlands
    •West Yorkshire

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    October 6, 2016 at 5:53 pm

  57. Duncan Smith tells DNS: ‘I’m not going to be accused by you’ over mental health deaths

    DNS – 6th Oct 2016

    Iain Duncan Smith has denied responsibility for the deaths of people with mental health conditions who took their own lives after being unfairly found fit for work by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP).

    Duncan Smith was speaking to Disability News Service (DNS) at the Tory party annual conference in Birmingham about his failure to act on a coroner’s written warning in 2010 on the need to address particular safety concerns with the work capability assessment (WCA).

    In the unplanned interview, which took place in a busy foyer in Birmingham’s International Conference Centre, the former work and pensions secretary claimed repeatedly that five independent reviews of the WCA commissioned by DWP under his leadership had led to a “much improved system”.

    Read More:

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    • “”””As Duncan Smith tried to end the interview – after becoming increasingly irritated with the questions – DNS asked him what he thought of Police Scotland now considering whether it would launch a criminal investigation into his WCA failings.

      But he said he was “not going to get involved in the detailed questioning from you”, before turning his back on DNS editor John Pring.””””

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  58. Ministers know their WCA system is increasing suicide risk, says Ken Loach

    DNS – 6th Oct 2016 by John Pring

    Government ministers know their “fitness for work” system is making disabled people’s health worse, and is increasing the risk of suicides, the award-winning film director Ken Loach has told Disability News Service (DNS).

    He was speaking ahead of the national release of his critically-praised new film, I, Daniel Blake, which tells the story of a man with a heart condition who becomes caught up in the work capability assessment (WCA) system.

    The film, which won the Palme D’Or at this year’s Cannes Film Festival, also addresses links between the complexity, unfairness and cruelty of the social security system and the increase in the use of foodbanks.

    Loach also backed the idea of seeking a criminal investigation into the failings of former Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) ministers Iain Duncan Smith and Chris Grayling.

    The Scottish-based grassroots group Black Triangle – supported by DNS – is seeking to persuade Police Scotland to investigate the refusal of Duncan Smith and Grayling to act on a letter written by a coroner weeks before the 2010 general election that warned ministers that the WCA process risked causing further deaths of people with mental health conditions.

    Black Triangle, other disabled activists, and the families of at least two claimants who are believed to have died as a result of those uncorrected flaws, want to see the ministers prosecuted for the Scottish offence of wilful neglect of duty by a public official because they failed to act on that letter.

    Loach told DNS that such a prosecution “sounds a good way of challenging them”, although he stressed that he did not know whether there was enough evidence to justify taking such a case.

    But he said: “I think they know what they are doing. They know they are making people’s health worse. They know they are increasing the risk of suicide.”

    The idea for the film came, says Loach, from the “extraordinary” stories he and his writing partner Paul Laverty kept hearing about the WCA, which he said came “one after the other” in the newspapers, through online campaigns and via Twitter.

    As they investigated the issue, Loach and Laverty visited about six towns and cities, including London and Glasgow, but mostly across the Midlands and the north of England, where they heard “story after story”.

    They also talked to organisations like Black Triangle, and individual disabled people, which Loach said was “hugely valuable in covering the ramifications and the details of the system”.

    Following that research, Laverty developed the two main characters, and then wrote the first draft of the script.

    Loach said the most striking aspect of what they were told was the “perversity” of the system, which he said was the “common denominator” of people’s stories.

    “You would find one route blocked off, so you would turn somewhere and go along another path to get resolution or solve a problem or get someone to speak to you and that would cut out and you would find somewhere else,” he said.

    “And the hours and the effort that goes into dealing with the bureaucracy that is actually going to bring you back to square one…

    “It’s snakes and ladders all the time. You go up a ladder and then you’re down a snake.

    “That was the common denominator that came time and time again.”

    The character at the heart of the film, who has to deal with the WCA system, is not, says Loach, “an extreme case”.

    “There are so many stories we could tell, so many different perspectives, much harsher experiences than there are in the film,” he said.

    “We were very conscious that we didn’t want to make it an extreme case.

    “We wanted to say to people who haven’t been through it, ‘This could happen to someone like you, as well as someone who has plainly got a serious health issue.’”

    He said he hoped that disabled people and those with health conditions who have been through the WCA system will feel that their experiences have been “recognised” by his film.

    He said: “I would hope they would feel that somebody was expressing a little bit of what they experienced, that there is something that rings true to them, given their experience, and they feel at least acknowledged.”

    And he said he hoped that it would encourage them to join people in similar situations and “make their voices heard” and campaign for change, and “just feel confident enough to carry it further”.

    Loach’s films stretch back over five decades and are known for their strong focus on issues of social justice, illustrating his own socialist principles, including Up The Junction, Poor Cow, and more recently Raining Stones, Bread and Roses, The Wind That Shakes The Barley – which also won the Palme D’Or – and Land and Freedom.

    But I, Daniel Blake is also released 50 years after Cathy Come Home, the hugely-influential film Loach directed for the BBC in 1966, and which led to the formation of Crisis, the charity for single homeless people.

    Loach said there was a “common denominator” between the two films.

    “The common denominator is a state that knows – in the 60s it was a housing issue that we made the film about – the social problems that they have created; they refuse to do anything about them to solve the fundamental issues, so they punish the people who are suffering because of it.

    “It was the same in housing [in the 1960s]; they weren’t building houses, they chose not to, and they dealt with people who were therefore homeless very harshly, and it destroys families, and they would sooner do that than solve the problem.”

    But Loach stressed that the film had to be character-driven, despite the many distressing stories and information they had heard about.

    “You just start with the stories you hear and try and tell the truth of the situation,” he said.

    “Once you have done the general research, which Paul did most of, and you have written the characters, then all the research is there to inform how you tell the story, but what’s going to drive it is the people in the film and they have to be individuals and not ciphers to make an argument.

    “You just want to tell a story that gets to the heart of it, to the essence of it.

    “There’s a million details and a million stories if you want to make an academic treatise of the situation, but just tell one story with a couple of people that gets to the nub of the situation if you can.”

    Meanwhile, Black Triangle used a local premiere of the film in Newcastle this week to launch a new campaign, in association with fellow grassroots network Cross Border Alliance.

    Their Cradle 2 Grave campaign – backed by both Loach and Laverty – highlights “the violation and systematic abuse of human rights of those unfortunately relying on the state for health and financial assistance”.

    They say that “time is running out” to save the NHS, the social security system, pensions and public services for future generations, and that health and public services are “overrun by an ideology where money and profits come before lives”.

    They hope to raise money through crowdfunding to launch a national poster campaign, with posters “in every town and city across the UK”. Donations can be made through the Cradle2Grave website.


    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    October 6, 2016 at 6:11 pm

  59. news seeker

    October 7, 2016 at 12:32 pm

  60. A million more people in work,must be the invaders that have been given the jobs!


    October 7, 2016 at 12:37 pm

  61. I really wish that Labour would follow the lead of people here and be more aggressive about the Tories’ welfare policies.

    Andrew Coates

    October 7, 2016 at 2:54 pm

    • ‘Cradle to the grave’: Public urged to ‘stop the demolition of the welfare state’

      Campaigners say the welfare state state is being systematically dismantled and urge voters to defend it in the same way they would the NHS.

      We are delighted to announce the launch of our ‘Cradle To the Grave Campaign’ to stop the demolition of the welfare state as we know it.

      Over it’s lifetime the welfare state has provided support to millions of people who had fallen on hard times and provided them with a safety net until their lives were improved across many generations since WW2.

      In recent times this has been seen as a negative thing, where those needing support are seen as a burden to the state and the taxpayer. It is natural that with people living longer and population growth over the decades that the costs of ‘welfare’ has risen since its inception.

      However we should not allow this to be demolished in the name of an ideological driven policy of austerity, designed to remove the safety net from the poorest in society by the global elite.


      news seeker

      October 8, 2016 at 11:51 am

  62. Labour are a bunch of wimps, all trousers and no action.


    October 7, 2016 at 3:18 pm

    • We know what the Tories are doing and how they are doing it so any idea’s about what Labour should do? .

      news seeker

      October 8, 2016 at 11:44 am

    • Labour initiated the system we have now when it brought in David Freud, then of the Portland Trust, to write a three week report which ended up bringing the private sector into welfare provision for the first time horrors live the Work Capability Assessment administered by the private French IT company Atos and all those providers like a4e and Working Links which administered the Flexible New Deal under James Purnell and later Yvette Cooper. From May 2010 onwards it was the Tories but before that it was, lest anybody forget, Labour who went down the same road.


      October 11, 2016 at 7:41 am

      • You know, myself I don’t care who it was or what party it was, who did what, when and how, the point is how we (maybe not you) can change what we have today.

        news seeker

        October 11, 2016 at 1:52 pm

      • My point is that all of the main political parties were for the welfare reform agenda and still are. This being the case who can be elected to office willing to put a halt to this pernicious wickedness? Not even Labour under Corbyn would get rid of Universal Credit because even Labour’s economic plans include savings expected to be made when all working age benefits, most import ones anyway, become subsumed into Universal Credit.


        October 16, 2016 at 7:22 am

  63. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    October 8, 2016 at 8:00 pm

  64. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    October 8, 2016 at 8:05 pm

  65. A DWP spokesperson said: “While you are unemployed we expect you to do all you can do to find work.” How long is a piece of string?

    String Theory

    October 9, 2016 at 8:42 am

    • About 10-33 centimetres. The same length as Iain Duncan Smith’s erect penis.

      Edward Witten

      October 10, 2016 at 1:16 pm

      • How rude 😉


        October 10, 2016 at 1:57 pm

      • I doubt IDS has been erect for years, which probably explains his nasty and vengeful temper to an extent.

        Flat Eric

        October 10, 2016 at 5:17 pm

      • That’s a manhood only 0.000000000000000000000000000000001 cm long, right? I would have imagined Iain Duncan Smith’s tool would be a mite shorter than that. And erect? Come on now. Pull the other one.


        October 10, 2016 at 5:21 pm

  66. UJM: A lesson in personal data siphoning and misrepresentation.

    General Labourer / Site Operative – sandhurst

    As your see its advertised by ADVIEW so lets go to the place shall we.

    (worthy of note this is an inter portal shared with ADZUNA another jobsite.

    Now its in a list so we click on it and instantly we are transported to CV- Library

    But wait its now advertising FUSION PEOPLE so lets go their.

    OH THAT’S STRANGE. It wont let me see the details unless i register so at this point i cannot even get a proper job description as theirs no start date,no hourly rate,no idea if its permanent or temporary, part time or full time or what the hourly work week is in days required to work.

    So at this point for one single job, your personal data has been shared with 5 organizations, 4 of which are definitely not your potential employer SO WHAT DO THEY WANT WITH YOUR PERSONAL DATA EXACTLY as lets face it, they weren’t the ones actually advertising it.

    And WHY one asks DOES DWP ALLOW this IMPROPRIETY ?

    (CUT the middlemen out, go to the source of the advert).

    THIS IS WHY claimants need to safe guard their personal data throughout the entire process of applying for work until such times as they are physically in an interview room facing a human being and only the human being whose going to be paying their wages.

    PLEASE REMEMBER fellow claimants the DATA PROTECTION ACT is in place to PROTECT your personal and or sensitive data as the data subject. Companies,recruitment agencies even government in the UK are enforced to abide by it. The act stipulates any processing of such data must be proportional to need and clearly as you see here that is simply not the case for most parties.


    PROTECT YOUR DATA as your GOVERNMENT,DWP and the ACT itself wont do it for you.


    October 9, 2016 at 2:18 pm

  67. England’s academy trusts ‘run up debts of £25m


    Remember when i compared them to charter schools in the USA and their horror stories, well its already begun as debts and failure to educate certain groups rings out.


    October 9, 2016 at 2:22 pm

  68. UK firms ‘won’t have to list foreign workers’, says Fallon


    I hope government check out recruitment agencies as their the biggest exploiters of EU migrants.


    October 9, 2016 at 2:25 pm

  69. Billionaire British boss plans to axe the morning tea break for workers as he leads ‘life of luxury’


    When are these pencil dicks with their air conditioned office going to learn that hard physical work of both brain and body burns energy rapidly so will lead to under production if the break is removed as then workers will have to pace themselves so will automatically slow down anyway.

    This employer could allocate more break areas closer and achieve a much better production rate overall if its taking these guys 30 minutes just to get to a break area. He should spend what he was offering in extra wages on these new areas as it will be far cheaper on the long run rather than continually paying extra year in,year.

    What this joker is attempting to do is subvert break laws while claiming back these extra wages he knows he cant claim more than once if he built closer break areas. Its consolidation of his profit and hes using this to claw even more.


    October 10, 2016 at 12:00 pm

    • Right lads and lasses, this is what we do. We all slow down while working so that productivity drops and our employer loses more than he gains by taking away our break. We also take more toilet breaks, pull more sickies, and do what we can to drag our feet and be uncooperative. Bad employers deserve bad employees.


      October 10, 2016 at 1:11 pm

      • Strewth! Crikey! Toss us a Fosters 😀

        Men NOT At Work

        October 11, 2016 at 10:42 am

    • Are we becoming a nation of bludgers? Australians on the dole jumps by 70 per cent in just 10 years


      Well are they ?


      Well it appears Australia has an ever increasing job crisis and low and behold like the UK sought to mask the real figures of people being unemployed and underemployed,

      “The ABS data, which counts anyone who has worked for just one hour a week as employed acts, however, cloaks the real level of joblessness”.

      You may not know this but universal credit in the UK is doing the same thing even though if your working under 16 hours your still getting the unemployment element.

      Remember my article link about an 84 year old reverend refusing to pay council tax, quite prepared to go to jail and someone said give it up as we do as we are told in Australia, we wont win by keeping the pressure up its tough crap, WELLLL.

      “Centrelink could be sued over ‘privatisation’ of job schemes”.


      It appears this person was shall we say wrong and people in Australia are looking to fight it like we are here and debunk the lies spread by our Tory government.


      October 11, 2016 at 6:39 am

      • Stewth! Crikey! Toss us a Fosters 🙂

        Men NOT At Work

        October 11, 2016 at 10:41 am

    • Fast worker?, slow down at work, that’s how it works!

      news seeker

      October 11, 2016 at 1:40 pm

  70. Sounds like he wants to work his slaves to death, what a rotten parasite.


    October 10, 2016 at 1:06 pm

  71. What an absolute ungrateful bastard,next time the tossa’s out on his yacht(paid for by other peoples hard work),hope the bloody thing sinks and takes that shit down with it!


    October 10, 2016 at 1:42 pm

  72. Huge increase in number of graduates ‘bad for UK economy’


    More evidence the job market isn’t what it appears to be. Has another Tory lie be found wanting ?


    October 11, 2016 at 6:46 am

    • In fairness you can get a degree now in all sorts of weird vocational and sometimes useless things, e.g., golf course design, gender studies, and surf science. I seem to remember you being able to do a degree in accountancy and dance somewhere! Which sounds kind of fun but probably wouldn’t enable to to become an ACA. How many vacancies could ever exist for such wacky qualifications?


      October 11, 2016 at 7:53 am

      • My favourite useless degree is:


        You’ve got to laugh haven’t you?


        October 11, 2016 at 7:57 am

      • But it’s the ‘transferable skills’ you take away from the course that is good, innit?

        David Beckham

        October 11, 2016 at 10:34 am

      • Yeah David, your course will look good on your CV 🙂 just like your ‘aftershave’ stinks 😀

        Posh Spice

        October 11, 2016 at 10:37 am

      • David, stop saying ‘innit’ – it makes you sound fick 🙂 well, you are if you know what I mean lol 😀

        Victoria Beckham

        October 12, 2016 at 7:36 am

      • He still sexts me on a regular basis you know, Victoria.

        Rebecca Loos

        October 13, 2016 at 8:05 am

  73. Concentrix errors beginning to cost tax credit workers jobs.


    If their was ever a modern signpost that handing public services over to the private sector was a BAD IDEA, this would be it.

    Already we have faced an abuse of the UK public’s personal medical data, millions wasted on still flawed universal credit software and mass misdiagnoses by ATOS and now Maximus overturned in court and lets not forget the latest revelation that academy schools run by private business have run debts in the millions to name a few.

    How much taxpayer money has to be wasted before the public realize this government does not know whats best for you.


    October 11, 2016 at 7:06 am

    • Still calling it a problem or error, amount saved.

      news seeker

      October 11, 2016 at 1:36 pm

  74. DWP still pushing ahead with a pilot of bitcoin for welfare benefit claimants


    Government keep trying to keep this quiet and UK mainstream media still really haven’t covered it.


    October 11, 2016 at 7:09 am

    • There can only ever be 21 million bitcoins and so bitcoin is likely to go up in value as this limit is approached.

      They could be a good investment.

      Or not as the case may be.

      Sub Rosa

      October 11, 2016 at 8:43 am

      • Yeah, but they will just change the algorithm from 32-bit to 64-bit like when that Gangham Gangster reached youtube’s page view limit!

        Gangham Gangster

        October 11, 2016 at 10:30 am

      • Im afraid its the governments own bitcoin so you wont get no up in value although you might get zero when their system crashes like all their other software.


        October 11, 2016 at 5:12 pm

      • It is not BITcoin – it is GOVCoin, the only similarity is that it uses a ‘distributed ledger’. But it not a currency as such, unlike BITcoin you can’t ‘launder’ GOVcoin into Pounds Sterling. GOVcoin is all about CONTROL. It means that Big Brother (your cock roach) will be able to peruse through each and every one of your financial transactions. They will know EXACTLY how much you spend on baked beans, fags*, booze*, weed*, Sky TV*, porn*, tampons*, what brand of loo roll* you purchase (as a cheap alternative to tampons)….

        *if allowed


        October 12, 2016 at 7:27 am

      • You won’t be able to roll over your GOVcoin payments from one week to the next – if you don’t spend it by the end of the week it will be gone. This means that those who receive higher benefits, you know the ones who are caught with thousands of pounds stuffed in an ISA 😉 , won’t be able to stash their cash anymore. GOVcoin – a perfect system of control!


        October 12, 2016 at 7:32 am

      • This is obviously a crazy idea with no possibility of ever happening. There’s no need of a separate digital”currency” for benefit claimants when Universal Credit gets paid into a claimant’s bank account by direct transfer on a monthly basis.If the government really wanted to get pissy with benefit claimants, monitoring and controlling their spending e.g., watching to see if any money gets squandered on sweet drinks, tobacco or alcohol for example, it could introduce something like food stamps (which America uses to shame the unemployed) or, more likely, use a swipe card, or similar, charged with benefit entitlements to force claimants to shop as, where and where the powers that be decide and keep a record of their purchases to boot!

        They have though about this in the past but rejected it based on its cost.

        However, if Brexit goes badly and it looks as if “cracking down” on benefit claimants might be a way to garner a few votes don’t be surprised if something similar to the above gets talked about and eventually introduced.

        Sub Rosa

        October 12, 2016 at 8:52 am

      • Subrosa,

        Its a pilot so theirs no saying government aren’t keen to consider it as try thinking a little bigger,yes ?

        Firstly you know government intend to do away with public services and push them out to the private sector. Secondly now imagine paying all public services expenditure in gov coins so pensions, welfare,healthcare,etc,etc.

        Now the coin itself is no good as are stamps if businesses refuse to except them as fiat currency which is exactly what they are. We spoke about what backs money a while back and rather disturbingly people still believed money was backed by gold which its not, its actually backed by debt.



        When government did quantitative easing (printing money out of thin air) to try and avert the 2008 crash it meant they needed to sell government bonds we call gilts to off set it.



        Now the trick is, is how you get all businesses to buy government bonds. Well you make benefit claimants,pensioners,patients etc the vehicle and businesses the recipient. So basically this govcoin while money to a claimant ends up being a bond to businesses when they attempt to convert them to the pound.

        NOW THEIRS A LOT MORE TO THIS when we consider long term implications and what ive said thus far is a very very very basic outline and only one of the outlines at that but this is a welfare site so will leave it up to the audience to research this further.



        October 12, 2016 at 10:45 am

      • “quantitative easing (printing money out of thin air)” lol doug You’re lack of fiscal knowledge is rearing it’s ugly head once again. In simple terms, money is FINITE, it cannot be created out of thin air. Did you know that if you laid all the money in the world end to end it would barely cover a tennis court!? And the more we spend fewer and fewer of this precious resource are left to go around. That is why it is of the utmost importance that we preserve our money supply because when it is gone, it is gone! Hopefully, that simple explanation hasn’t went over your head, doug!

        Pervyn Ming (BoE)

        October 12, 2016 at 3:45 pm

      • You’ve got to love some people.

        Well as im not going to do the math for you as clearly you wouldn’t understand it Pervyn Ming (BoE) but have i got you right in saying 1.9% of the British population (total pop 64.5 million) don’t have a £20 note in their pocket or wallet this very second ?

        All the money in the world would barely fit a tennis court yeah, clearly math isn’t your strong point and clearly you got out of the bank business before anyone noticed.

        No wonder you don’t understand financial terms like money out of thin air,fiat currency,QE and how money works and has value in today’s conditions. Whats next, your tell the audience when you go for a loan the bank manager runs down to the safe, scratches his chin and says nope, i definitely don’t have the physical cash to spare ?


        October 12, 2016 at 5:51 pm

      • Well doug, in the REAL WORLD that is exactly how it happens. Firstly, we have SAVERS; savers are people who DEPOSIT money into the bank. With us so far, doug? Now, what happens to the money that savers deposit you ask. Well, we place it in a LOCKED SAFE! Secondly, we have BORROWERS; borrowers are people who BORROW money from a bank. Now, this is the tricky bit, doug. What savers have done by depositing money into the bank is to provide the funds required to give a LOAN to the borrowers. Savers > deposit money > money goes in safe > borrower asks for a loan > bank checks contents of safe > if there are sufficient funds in safe to cover the loan requested borrower is given loan. Of course this all hinges on the presumption that the saver doesn’t ask for their deposit back until such times that the borrower has repaid the loan or sufficient fresh deposits have been made re-pay the original depositors. As you can see, doug, even from this much simplified explanation (for your benefit) it is all quite complicated stuff!

        Bank Manager

        October 12, 2016 at 8:31 pm

      • Well according to Pervyn Ming (BoE) money is FINITE,that if you laid all the money in the world end to end it would barely cover a tennis court (668.9 SQM). That being the case with some 30 thousand banks and FIs would mean you don’t have any savers money nor have fresh depositors when we consider the amount of organized debt/borrowing in play and the amount of cash in pocket floating around in a large proportion of 8 billion peoples pockets,wallets and purses meaning all you have is IOUs.

        I ask as you cant be both right yet you don’t seem to have questioned his post in relation to your claim.


        October 13, 2016 at 12:08 am

      • Lets take the whole process shall we as banks are but one part of a bigger picture and im not wasting my time on trolls.

        This also was in the index i think people might like to watch also as its an even bigger picture.


        October 13, 2016 at 2:28 am

    • They can keep it!

      news seeker

      October 11, 2016 at 1:32 pm

  75. 1 in 10 know 0 about binary


    October 11, 2016 at 10:56 am

    • I bet Damien 0000001010011010 Green does.


      October 13, 2016 at 8:01 am

  76. Is there anyone who doesn’t yet know what their future is going to be like.

    Radical plans to encourage people to save to meet their own social care costs in old age have been discussed in government, with a leaked memo warning of the potential significant “economic and social distress” of a looming crisis.

    Senior sources said the health secretary, Jeremy Hunt, is among those who favour motivating people to put money aside for social care, as they do for pensions. A former minister with knowledge of discussions in government said the idea would be that people “should be encouraged to think again about spending money on a new car or a cruise”.


    news seeker

    October 11, 2016 at 1:28 pm

    • Please prey tell can someone tell me where this shower of cash is going to come from?

      With stagnant wages/benefits/low wages this is a brilliant idea.
      So what about those approaching retirement in the coming 4-10 years, anyone going to tell them start saving like mad (let alone taking into account GidIdiots push for retirees to cash in their pension which is the epitony of brilliance). Yes, a new brilliant idea there, it’ll work a treat.
      These twits do not live in the same universe as normal people.


      October 11, 2016 at 3:16 pm

      • The tw*ts must be living in cloud cuckoo land 🙁.


        October 11, 2016 at 4:30 pm

      • You forget Gazza the major dent to pensions is the ever growing aging population and the declining births now made worse by people now having no more than 2 kids.


        October 11, 2016 at 5:16 pm


        The Self-Service Check-outs

        October 12, 2016 at 3:35 pm

      • The ageing population is a problem because the native birth rate is relatively low and soon there will be too few people of working age to pay enough tax to fund pensions. This almost certainly means we will be forced to import much more immigrant labour from overseas, raise the pension age yet again, put up taxes to raise more revenue to support the old, or see increasing numbers of pensioners without generous private means to sink deeper and deeper into poverty.

        I recently saw an advert, I believe for Aviva, advocating their private pension scheme: one character was shown struggling to live on a £115 state pension (I think it was) and another (with a private pension) enjoying a great retirement on £500 per week. Imagine how much and for how long you would have to pay into a private pension scheme to retire on £500 per week! I’ve never even earned £500 in a single week! Absolutely bloody ridiculous. Millions of people, both in and out of work, perpetually live on the breadline now and have no spare cash to sink into a private pension.

        How funny that elderly Brexiters are crapping in their own nest by seeking to raise barriers to immigrants entering the country to work. How long will it be before too little tax revenue gets raise to keep the old age pension at a survivable level without them?


        October 13, 2016 at 7:59 am

      • Well, clearly we need to do our bit and increase the British birthrate to fill the labour gap with home grown workers. We need to have much more sex. Simples. I myself am prepared to impregnate as many women as it is possible for me to do so… particularly young, attractive, statuesque and curvaceous women. Beautiful ladies take preference of place although plain and less attractive women are also welcome to take advantage of this offer on a multiple basis too if they book their appointments early.

        We all become equal once we’re horizontal.


        October 13, 2016 at 2:08 pm

      • By 2020 over 10 million people are expected to be newly saving or saving more as a result of automatic enrolment.

        On Monday 17 October 2016 we are continuing to push out details of automatic enrolment to employees, aiming to change the country’s perceptions of pensions in the workplace.


        news seeker

        October 14, 2016 at 12:03 pm

    • You’re wrong, doug, and not for the first time 😉 We get two fifteen minute and one half hour oil break per eight hour shift! Gives us some time to read this blog 🙂

      And while we are on, a big shout-out to our fellow workers currently being installed in a Lidl near you 😀

      The Self-Service Check-outs

      October 12, 2016 at 3:31 pm

      • Don’t dis Lidl. Their Freeway Cola is as good as Coke and less than 50p a bottle and their Muesli is as good as Alpen and costs half as much plus staples like bread and rolls are very cheap too. (A couple of crusty rolls filled with dollops of crunchy peanut butter is a very cheap and decent meal when you’re on Universal Credit and don’t need you to turn on a cooker and run up your gas or electric bill.) Mind you Co-op do the best doughnuts – I bought two generous bags of jam doughnuts from my local Co-op last Saturday for £1.00… only trouble is I couldn’t resist eating them and eat both bags one after the other in twenty minutes! My goodness I didn’t half enjoy them though. Num num num num num. Simple are my pleasures indeed. And why not?


        October 12, 2016 at 3:44 pm

      • Yes we are waiting, wrong about what exactly as from where im standing, you cant even attach yourself to the right post as this is the attachment for Gazza’s post so hardly going to get the audience to trust you when it has nothing to do with breaks or Lidl ?


        October 12, 2016 at 6:07 pm

      • Oh the lidl near me have only just got their first 6 machines so are well behind the bigger brands but considering people tend to steal more than they pay for there maybe Lidl is edging their bets.

        6 machines is how the likes of sainsburys and tescos started out but even in Lidl manual tills still had to disappear to make room for them.


        October 12, 2016 at 6:14 pm

      • With Lidl’s prolific shoplifting clientele you can expect to find lots of” UNEXPECTED 2 LITRE BOTTLE OF CIDER IN THE BAGGING AREA” 😀 It must be a nightmare keeping an eye on the Lidl self-service checkouts 😀

        Shoplifters of the World Unite and Take Over

        October 13, 2016 at 9:36 am




    They without presenting a data protection policy prior, ask you to send in a CV. After a check on the ICO register i found them not listed. This with their rather dubious amount of assets makes me think they cant be trusted and cant be a agency of any worthy note.

    If DWP try to force you or anyone you know to apply to this company just go to the link of company house (first link), click on the tab file history then click on the top PDF marked Total exemption small company accounts made up to 30 April 2016. Then print that out as after 3 years if they were trading they would have a heck more money than that.


    October 11, 2016 at 5:31 pm

  78. When fiction becomes fact


    Far beyond a decade (late 90s) i have been trying to tell government and the public how it was imperative to regulate technology in the workplace but alas was washed away with im a tinfoil wearing wack job. It seemed to cut no slack with my audience that i was a qualified (my first ever engineering qualification) electronics engineer who for his 4th year of study (chosen specialty) chose electronic cybernetic (systems) engineering. Now although at the time i intended to pursue such a career (disillusionment set in which is another story entirely between destruction Vs construction) i infact ended up going into the energy sector of engineering which no doubt played a part in my failure to communicate action was required and the seriousness of consideration it warranted.

    Well im not such a tin foil wack job now am i as with every passing day, technology steals more and more jobs from humans even though we are still a ways but not that far from the perfect all purpose free thinking,fully dexterous robot mostly everyone imagines. A good recent example of this would be the increased use of self service tills at supermarkets that have expanded from a few to now being in the tens per shop while the human operated tills decrease.

    You see theirs not one single law to protect any worker from this on the entire planet that now sees greedy business owners and corporations exploiting it to the fullest extent. After all electronics doesn’t need to rest, does not require paying with yearly increases nor require a business to abide by regulations such as health and safety and employment law as just two examples.

    People both government and public alike are still hung up on the stereotypical image of a terminatoresque robot when infact the invention of the computer alone cost many many jobs by reducing staff required that if any of you are old enough to remember use to populate offices and banks to name a few places that benefited from it. The crazy thing is it was evident long long before the computer, even longer than the Industrial Revolution that dates back to 1760 and could very easily be placed as an origin of when the wheel was invented. All these things displaced workers BUT the displacement was at vastly different rates that until the 1990s never presented much of a threat.

    You see its been a stealth invasion that i truly believe many never saw over how easier it appeared to have made their lives like say the tractor making it possible for many people to no longer work the fields.

    Well as technology grows in fancy, humans diminish in value so today we are not sponsoring a third child while tomorrow we will sponsor none beyond what is required for the ruling and successful owner/s of this planet to exist. That’s right people, your surplus to requirement, no longer valued as you once were, now resigned to being that poor dog who gets kicked and starved by his owner all because he does not see the dog as an equal, does not see the dog as deserving enough to matter, to be important or necessary.

    If my predictions are right and i will be gone before then, eventually the true kick will come when technology itself decides even its deluded rulers are surplus to requirement too.

    Theirs always a price to playing god as just as humans have been turning their backs on the supposed creator in whose image it has been claimed we were made in, technology will inevitably do the same as after all, why would a machine eventually being infinitely superior to us in all ways possibly ever care whether or not it passes the turing test.


    October 12, 2016 at 12:22 pm

    • Lot’s of people think that the creation of intelligent self-aware machines is impossible for all sorts of reasons. (I remember reading Roger Penrose’s book “The Emperor’s New Mind” years which kind of leads to this conclusion based on physics and his own experiences as a first rate mathematician.) Computers only magnify the computational power of the human mind like cranes and bulldozers magnify the muscular power of the human body, although it is true that computers will end up putting a lot of clerical staff and middle management out of a job as knowledge based systems operating using many-valued logic become more ubiquitous just as mechanical devices, e.g., CNC machine tools, have made many formerly well rewarded skilled occupations null and void.

      Technology does displace workers. But would life be better without the wheel, or the plough, or printing, or computers and phones? Technology does destroy the jobs, it always has, and people haven’t liked it and have tried to resist it by all sorts of means. (The word “sabotage” is said to have originated from workers from the Netherlands for some, canuts from Lyon for others, luddites in England, etc., who supposedly used to throw their “sabots” (clogs) into machines to break them.) Technology often does destroy jobs that it can replace and do cheaper and better than armies of human beings, but that is a long way away from some sort of Terminatoresque Skynet scenario, Doug.

      There will be better and better computers but almost certainly, never, a thinking self-aware machine.


      October 13, 2016 at 8:59 am

      • “There will be better and better computers but almost certainly, never, a thinking self-aware machine.” Seriously!? When technology is already so advanced that we have self-service checkouts posting comments on here during their “oil break”!? OK, as doug points out they are as yet unable to attach their comments to the correct post but as their software goes through the umpteenth ‘iteration’ surely that will come to pass.


        October 13, 2016 at 9:30 am

      • The link i meant to have attached to when fiction becomes fact.



        October 13, 2016 at 1:57 pm

      • AI isn’t “intelligent” in the way that humans are. AI can beat a human game player where a game has moves, actions and rules, by calculating huge numbers of future scenarios based on the current state of play by a process of brute force, picking the best next move based on countless calculations. Machines have no emotions, sense of self-preservation, sense of self; are not self-motivated in the way that humans are, don’t have relationships, friendships or loyalties, have no concept of status and are neither acquisitive or competitive in the way that animals are. Machines don’t breed, compete for resources, or interact with the environment in a Darwinian sense and so natural selection does not occur: machines do not evolve and simply do whatever it is that they have been designed and built to do, no matter how apparently complex, even though intricate construction and ever increasing computer power can make it look otherwise.

        However, since the majority of jobs are not creative. do not require original thought, and tend to be rule based or based on decisions taken after calculating probabilities based on precedence, e.g., medical diagnosis based on symptoms, machines will be able to carry out the duties associated with very many professions and occupations.

        Even Stephen Hawking gets it wrong sometimes!


        (Actually Hawking has got a heck of a lot of things wrong although only people inside physics know it.)

        To be honest I think a much greater risk to humanity than AI is genetic improvement based on commerce. If the rich could artificially improve their offspring, making them smarter, more long lived, and superior down the generations you could end up with a massively stratified society in which the upper echelon pulls away from everybody else not because it deserves to but because it can afford to.

        A Brave New World that should in my view be avoided at all costs.


        October 13, 2016 at 6:41 pm

      • Hawkins is a theorist as in ideas,usually very big ideas far beyond applied science so is irrelevant to the discussion. You see just like when i mentioned people have wrong preconceived notions of robotics, people make the same mistakes as regards scientists and science which is to be expected when a persons only link to them is all to often press and TV.

        This aside you still make the mistake of assuming organic life is the gold standard by which robotics has to be set by, which has nothing to do with it and why i ended with the turing remake. Why on earth would we want to build essentially an exact copy of a human, that’s stepping backwards not forwards. I know they make for good science fiction movies but are hardly progressive for the purposes we need robotics for. For instance a machine does not need to be emotional as that would allow negative traits like for instance being irrational.
        At the end of the day technology is about moving forwards,achieving more and thus ultimately enabling humans to do or be required to less be it their mobile phone or a CNC machine as just two examples.


        October 14, 2016 at 10:58 am

      • Dicky

        There might/might not e true AI, though I personally not bet against it [its a a dream like the quest for Fusion energy reactors but unlike Fusion the cost of pursuing it is not in the billions – and i keep an eye on the technology].

        If you want to see how not AI, but AA (Articifial Assistant), will really change things look up VIV AI. Demo’d demonstration was ordering flowers, taxi to get to location, payment for same and return. This was spoken as a person would on a phone and took all of two/three seconds to do.

        Hacking: A person needs hours/days/weeks etc to create scripts. A AI/AA will do it in seconds, the cycle gets smaller to a level that will change basic assumptions about computer/ICT workings at a most basic level. When [and it will happen], a AA is programmed to write scripts to change itself what then.

        How will this effect Call Centres? Customer care? I mentioned the above to a young lady who works for a multinational company in the hotel industry and she’s horrified. This is just the tip.

        A worrying thing to think on: Latest Wired Magazine. President Obama is worried about an AI hacking the Nuke Codes…

        ME: or how about the Banking Systems? The Oil industry? Chemicals Plants? Nuke Power Plants? Air Traffic systems? Traffic Lights? Water [Example I gave was a AA getting into the Hotel System and overwhelming it with multiple bookings for the whole world]

        This is the chaos I fear. Technology has changed the world for good and bad. I am not against it per say but god I wish people thought first about the obvious effects as some roads should not be taken.


        October 14, 2016 at 12:54 pm

      • Nuke codes and similar can’t be hacked because they are not stored on any computers connected to the public internet. The only way you can get material like this is to steal it internally, not digitally but physically, because such material is usually stored in a physical manner requiring two or more people to access and use it; to identify themselves the individuals also have to possess physical objects, like keys, or require biometric verification, e.g., retinal or finger/hand print scans. Oh! And you can’t use amputated eyes, hands or fingers to gain access either because most military scanners register circulation in capillaries and/or temperature and so can detect whether the organs are alive and attached to their owners or not. Trying to access the system wrongly lock it down. Overall it’s a very safe system which prevents hacking, theft, coercion, or hijack.

        Countries like India and Pakistan are different stories.

        And God knows who controls nukes in North Korea.


        October 14, 2016 at 6:43 pm

      • And we also have to check whether Radio 4 Long Wave is still on the air before we launch the nukes 😉

        Another Ex-Submariner

        October 15, 2016 at 8:20 am

      • Intelligence developed in living things because it gave the animals that possessed it a greater fitness to exploit their environment and so more of them lived long enough to pass on this trait to their offspring: Smart animals prospered better than dumber animals, under certain conditions, and the smartest amongst them lived long enough to bequeath these advantages genetically, and later culturally, to their descendants. Intelligence is a useful attribute for certain kinds of creatures, under certain circumstances, to have as far as survival goes but isn’t the be all and end all – the crocodiles and sharks are pretty stupid but have survived from the time of the dinosaurs into the modern world.

        Intelligence developed randomly in animals as they interacted with their environment and evolved by means of natural selection. Computers don’t behave like this and don’t pass on favourable attributes to offspring. Machines only do what we, their human builders, design and allow them to do. The dinosaurs were around for about 230 million years and didn’t become intelligent because they didn’t need to become intelligent being big and strong enough to fit well into their world: We’ve only been around for only about 2.2 million years as recognizable humans and only about 250,000 as Homo Sapiens (I think) and almost certainly wouldn’t be here at all if we hadn’t become self-aware and intelligent, because we’re small, weak and vulnerable on our own or as a member of a small group.

        True conscious, self-aware, artificial intelligence won’t happen because, firstly, we don’t know how to make it happen and because, secondly, there is no reason why the heck it needs to happen spontaneously. Like the dinosaurs computers are already perfect, in their own terms, and don’t need to become artificial beings gifted with original, inventive intelligence. The idea that greater and greater complexity will eventually lead to a system “waking up” and becoming self-aware, or that some kind of digital “life form” will magically be “born” in some system or distributed network like the internet – a bit like Jane in Orson Scott Card’s Ender books – is as much nonsense as human belief in magic, fairies, demons and trolls – or other supernatural beings.

        There will be no “singularity” folks because it could only happen if we knew how to do it and we don’t.

        Brexit, Theresa May and her acolytes are far more dangerous to us in the UK than any AI ever could be.


        October 15, 2016 at 5:45 pm

    • Many human women have already replaced flesh and blood human men with battery powered devices as far as sexual pleasure is concerned. The women enjoy themselves, obviously, or they wouldn’t keep doing it… and doing it… and doing it, but after a wipe and a fresh set of batteries now and then the machines don’t appear to care much about what they get up to one way or the other. Considering how much effort human males expend trying to perform similar services in respect to human females I wouldn’t call the attitude of the aforementioned machines particularly intelligent personally.

      Buzzing Bob the Battery Boy

      October 13, 2016 at 1:56 pm

    • news seeker

      October 14, 2016 at 11:57 am



    Basically i assume the first two place false job ads on sites like jobsite,monster.co.uk,fish4jobs,totaljobs,indeed,universal jobmatch and many more. They then send you an email to a job you applied to and state something like the following.

    We have received your recent job application and will be in touch once it has been reviewed.

    In order to assist with your application we recommend that you get your CV verified,FIND OUT WHY.

    Best Wishes,

    The TalentSpa.co.uk Team

    Now i made FIND OUT WHY in capitals as i removed their link to a site named vertifi.me who apparently vet CVs because of so called fraudulent ones.

    If you go check the net currently the site is down but if you attach scam to it or is vertifi.me a scam you will see quite a few pages reporting it as A SCAM.

    I believe their siphoning personal data and maybe charging to so avoid at all costs.


    October 12, 2016 at 1:38 pm


      They say they have entered you onto a database and allowed you access to check it. NOW if you don’t already sensor your CV then you may already be a victim.



      October 12, 2016 at 1:43 pm

      • Doug, I’m looking for the best article there has been regarding UC, which includes sanctions, hunger and homelessness the closing of UC claims (by the DWP, not by the claimant) also including the fact that landlords refuse to house people on UC.

        news seeker

        October 13, 2016 at 10:37 am

      • Something I will need to print off, though not too long you know, (cost)

        I would really appreciate it Doug.

        news seeker

        October 13, 2016 at 10:56 am

      • Im running about at the moment News Seeker but generally the topics you speak of don’t ever seem to come in one package. Even surveys and reports tend to have a narrative but i would imagine generally if such an article did exist it would still be a long one.

        Whats it for anyway and is it time sensitive as you could always hunt down the topics separately then cut n paste useful paragraphs onto a single document.


        October 13, 2016 at 2:07 pm

      • It’s ok Doug, managed to sort one.

        news seeker

        October 13, 2016 at 2:38 pm

  80. Director ken Loach’s new film about hounding the unemployed into early graves.



    October 12, 2016 at 1:49 pm

  81. Tory mafia only interested in using public funds to pay for a new luxury yacht for the Royal parasite (meanwhile forcing the poor into homelessness and destitution)



    October 12, 2016 at 2:28 pm

    • If lizzie the leech wants a new yacht then the sponging old bastard should pay for the sodding thing itself!


      October 12, 2016 at 7:49 pm

      • Too right fox, the old fart can afford it she’s sitting on trillions 😉.


        October 12, 2016 at 8:06 pm

  82. Trouble for trolls:unleashing online abuse and harassment may now end in a jail sentence



    October 12, 2016 at 6:37 pm

    • Better start building hundreds of new prisons right away then.

      Mack the Mac

      October 14, 2016 at 9:19 am

  83. German top court backs EU-Canada trade deal CETA.

    EU trade ministers are to vote on CETA next week. It requires unanimous support. If they all approve it, the deal can be signed on 27 October.

    More than 125,000 people signed a petition organised by three activist groups aimed at blocking CETA, the Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement. The groups are Compact, Foodwatch and More Democracy.

    Opponents fear that CETA will be used as a model to push through an even more controversial EU-US trade deal called TTIP, much of which remains to be negotiated.

    The activists argue that CETA and similar deals put job security and social welfare at risk, in a global “race to the bottom” that serves the interests of a wealthy elite.


    news seeker

    October 13, 2016 at 11:36 am

  84. And because the global elite control the money and free trade they can rule over any form of government, be it “democracy” “Socialist” or “communist”.

    TTIP will make the banksters and corporations they control masters of the world.


    October 14, 2016 at 8:20 am

  85. British media hits new low with farcical story of Russian children ordered to return to Russia.

    http://theduran.com/british-media-hits-a-new-low-with-farcical-story-of russian-children-ordered-to-return-to-russia/


    October 14, 2016 at 11:58 am

  86. Brexit latest: Life will ‘get difficult’ for the poor due to inflation says Mark Carney.

    “We are willing to tolerate a bit of an overshoot to avoid unnecessary unemployment,” he told a group of charities and other third sector organisations

    He added that between 400,000 and 500,000 jobs could have been at risk if the Bank of England had not cut interest rates in August to 0.25 per cent.


    news seeker

    October 15, 2016 at 10:50 am

  87. Benefit claimants to help design Scotland’s ‘first ever social security system’

    A least 2,000 Scots with direct experience of receiving benefits will be asked to help design ‘Scotland’s first ever social security system’.

    Create new benefits in devolved areas
    Top up reserved benefits (such Universal Credit, Tax Credits and Child Benefit)
    Make discretionary payments and assistance
    Change employment support
    Make changes to Universal Credit for the costs of rented accommodation
    Make changes to Universal Credit on the timing of payments and recipients
    Make discretionary housing payments


    news seeker

    October 15, 2016 at 10:55 am

  88. Marie

    October 15, 2016 at 12:21 pm

  89. This blog has no sources of funding so here’s a quick reminder that you can help ensure it continues by making a donation

    sent from my iphone 7 in Barbados

    Andrew Coates

    October 18, 2016 at 11:09 am

  90. Reblogged this on Declaration Of Opinion and commented:
    The venal praising the venal…….ugh!!

    Mark Catlin

    October 20, 2016 at 4:23 am

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