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Welfare ‘Dependency’: Hard Right Keeps Up the Pressure to attack the less Well Off.

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Margaret Thatcher Quote 1

Centre for Policy Studies Motto.

The Centre for Policy Studies has a thing about ‘welfare dependency’.

The influential right-wing think tank – which most people will not have heard of – want people to stand on their “own two feet”.

Never mind that the Centre itself is headed by Baron Maurice Saatchi a man who made his money as a parasite in the ‘advertising industry’ , and is, well, you know, a ‘Lord’ in said House of, no doubt a position won by scrubbing floors and hewing coal.

We notice this on its funding (Who Funds you?)

Discloses annual income Yes: £1,131,391 y/e 30/9/14
Displays funding information on own website No
Names organisational funders No
Declares amounts given by organisational funders No
Names individual funders No
Declares amounts given by individual funders No

We strongly doubt if this level of detail would satisfy those supervising our Job Search: Transparency rating D.

Their latest wheeze is to publish a report, ‘The Independence Revolution Must Go On‘, which says this:

  •  The Government’s record in reducing dependency on the State is strong, but there is plenty more to do.
  • Dependency has fallen by 2.7 percentage points since 2010, but over half of households still receive more in benefits (including benefits in kind) than they pay in taxes.Welfare reform appears to be reducing dependency. 19% of households subject to the benefit cap were in work after a year.
  • Children growing up in workless households have, on average, poorer key stage 1 attainments, lower cognitive ability and are more likely to be NEET.
  • New Government must continue incentivising work by reducing marginal tax rates and carefully evaluating the National Living Wage policy.

Anybody using the ‘verb’ ‘incentivising’ deserves a week-long course for those with language difficulties.

Boiled down what the Centre – remember a group with real influence on government policy – is suggesting is more benefit caps, more dependency on dodgy employers and charity and fewer rights at work and on benefits.

This article tackles the core assumption of the Centre: that redistribution of wealth from the rich, and the better off, to the less well off, and using benefits to help people stand on their own two feet, is wrong.

‘Welfare dependency’ or essential redistribution? By Bernadette Meaden

  • The Centre for Policy Studies (CPS) has issued an Economic BulletinThe Independence Revolution Must Go On’, based on figures from a recent Office for National Statistics publicationThe effects of taxes and benefits on household income’.
  • The ONS figures show that “over half of households received more in benefits (including  benefits in kind) than they paid in taxes for the  year 2014/15…It is estimated that 50.8 per cent of households are net dependents”. The closer one looks at these figures, however, the more questions arise about how we define dependency, who actually benefits from benefits, and how we think about the redistribution of wealth.
  • The CPS views the ONS figures largely in terms of ‘welfare dependency’, concluding that, “The Government’s record in reducing dependency on the State is strong, but there is plenty more to do.’ It even takes the opportunity to mention that “children growing up in workless households …have, on average, lower cognitive ability.” saying that, “This highlights the social cost of welfare dependency and need to reduce welfare dependency in society.” Even ‘the so-called ‘intergenerational transmission’ of worklessness’ gets a mention.
  • But wait a minute – as the CPS itself has just pointed out, over half of UK households are classed as ‘dependent’ because they are deemed to receive more from the state than they pay in. ‘Worklessness’ is a factor in only a fraction of those households. There is much more going on here.
  • If we view the same ONS data from a different perspective, it is possible to draw very different conclusions, and to raise questions about how and why people are considered ‘dependent’ on the state. (The data used by the ONS can be found in Table 2 here )

It’s a long article but well worth reading: more here.

We can only endorse Meaden’s conclusion:

Reducing ‘dependency’ via welfare reform threatens this redistribution and may tip people at the bottom of the income scale into deeper poverty. As the ONS says in another publication, “Most recently, the average cash benefit rate has fallen which, along with decreasing progressivity, means that the overall redistributive impact of cash benefits has been reduced.”

More welfare reform, which will no doubt reduce this redistributive impact even further, seems destined to produce not independence, but increasing poverty and destitution.

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Written by Andrew Coates

August 22, 2016 at 10:30 am

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  1. Self sufficiency, which is happening all over the world..

    enigma

    August 22, 2016 at 10:59 am

  2. Lol, i read ONS’s outings yesterday and get a load of this exert,

    The Office for National Statistics has calculated “human capital”, which puts a monetary value on a person’s qualifications, age, health, personality and skills, measuring the total potential future earnings of everyone in the labour market.

    If how the labour market stats were already worked out isn’t bad enough, it appears we will be moving away from a guesstimate to pure speculation as its not like their going to inspect everyone personally is it.

    If im the example on qualifications and health coupled with my current financial and working status, the figure would be wildly out and that’s an understatement. Also if we shipped in a load of socio and psychopaths into the country, let them kill then locked them up we would have the same flaws that are possible in the equality equation as both parties are extremely intelligent not to mention often holding some very nice qualifications and positions even as far up as CEOs and government people.

    If i didn’t know better i swear this, the new measure equation on whose in poverty makes me think someones aren’t telling us public something, don’t you think ?

    PS: I wonder will they be deducting points for all our bad English and math online in an effort to keep the figures real ?

    doug

    August 22, 2016 at 11:36 am

  3. 2.7 percentage points since 2010, oh yeah that means oh i don’t know, nothing to me, for all i know that could equate to 54’000 from 2 million in which case i would hardly be giving myself a pat on the back.

    Hey, hey you see that homeless person over their, that’s their fault because stats say so and to think they could have been so much more.lol.

    doug

    August 22, 2016 at 11:42 am

    • A rule of thumb if you want to improve your math is to acknowledge that most of the time, not all the time a person gives you a % of something, it usually means the actual sum total, the bean counted head total does not look that pretty.

      POINT IN FACT

      Why is it when stats are presented and the numbers are unfavorable do we always see a shift in how its presented ?

      doug

      August 22, 2016 at 11:48 am

  4. Sometimes I think the only thing you need to do to get politicians and the media to listen, is to create an organisation with an impressive name and start issuing press releases. Why don’t you create ‘the Centre for Democratic Economics’ and start issuing press releases?

    Clive Scott

    August 22, 2016 at 11:52 am

    • Theirs already alternate media Clive Scott, but the moment you strike a nerve, government and or mainstream media character assassinate you as a tin hat wearing fruit loop or in some cases, working at the bequest of Russia.

      That aside to be honest, they don’t give a crap what you know as they have an agenda and the likes of us aren’t going to prevent it. Take Edward Snowden, talk about pull Americas trousers down and despite artfully leaking it to coincide with every time Americas government spin a yarn to shame them further, they still pressed ahead with it, infact not only did they do that, they even legitimized it and will to soon hear so i ask you, do you still feel confident in your proposal.

      The government know what im going to tell you now and that is the majority of the public above a certain class are to weak and to lazy to stand up and be counted and that is precisely whats happening when we consider what we all already know and have done next to nothing about changing.

      How does IS get at the people Clive, through fear and what is it the government are always telling you, that’s right their also peddling fear and that my friend is how you get peoples attention.

      Im afraid if people want change then their going to have to be prepared to take and sacrifice blood as revolution is all theirs left which is interesting when you factor in this insistence to bring to the forefront a reduction in the freedom of expression and what will come to pass, how and whom government deem extreme. Your seeing it now when this government labelled Corbyn as a national security threat to the country and only recently we heard Hillary and every other crap politician label Trump as a security threat which is rich considering the outings found on one Hillary Clinton, Which by the way the government are doing what, oh that’s right, NOTHING.

      If your wondering why im bringing up the fear/extremist bit, think how that works on the psyche and ties in with what i said about the only way forward.

      This is my assertion, you don’t have to agree, but non the less that’s the case i present before you, oh and go look up ODD (its a disorder).

      doug

      August 22, 2016 at 12:28 pm

  5. Violet

    August 22, 2016 at 12:33 pm

  6. Violet

    August 22, 2016 at 12:52 pm

  7. Housing benefit is rising exponentially not because the poor are living in accommodation too expensive for them but because rents are too high – THAT is the scandal in respect to housing that people should be talking about. Half the population receive more in benefits than they pay in taxes because they can’t earn enough from work to manage otherwise; too many people are given too few hours at too low a pay rate to survive without assistance and THAT is the scandal in respect to earnings and benefits that people should be talking about.

    These wankers always draw false conclusions based on their own bias.

    Here’s a story: A man investigating how fleas jumped performed a cruel experiment. First he trained a flea to jump when it heard a noise and measured the height of the jump. Next he cut off two of the flea’s six legs, made a noise, and noticed that the flea on jumped two-thirds as high. The he cut off two of the flea’s remaining four legs, made a noise, and saw that the flea only jumped one-third as high as the first jump. Repeating the foregoing he removed the flea’s last two legs, made a noise, and noticed that the flea didn’t jump at all.

    His conclusion: Fleas have ears on their legs and removing flea legs progressively prevented them from being disturbed by noises until, when all the legs were removed, the flea became deaf and didn’t respond to sound at all.

    Stupid is as stupid does and these so-called “welfare experts” spend their time doing very stupid things.

    Draw you own conclusions.

    Tim

    August 22, 2016 at 1:13 pm

    • Class, i like that Tim, excellent story, good post.

      doug

      August 22, 2016 at 1:36 pm

  8. Lets look at what information we can find out about these bottom feeders

    From Wikipeda:

    The Centre for Policy Studies (CPS) is a free-market British policy think tank whose goal is to promote coherent and practical public policy, to roll back the state, reform public services, support communities, and challenge threats to Britain’s independence.[1] Although identified as non-partisan, the Centre has strong historical links to the Conservative Party.

    It was co-founded by Conservatives Sir Keith Joseph, Alfred Sherman and Margaret Thatcher[2] in 1974 to champion economic liberalism in Britain[1] and has since played a global role in the dissemination of free market economics along monetarist and, what today would be called, neoliberal lines. Its policy proposals are claimed to be based on the principles of individual choice and responsibility. It also asserts that it prioritises the concepts of duty, family, liberty, and the rule of law. The CPS has a stated goal of serving as the champion of the small state.[1]

    ME: Broken down –
    a] free-market – you now what that means for the peons
    b] roll back the state – ditto above
    c] reform public services – make them private
    d] support communities – actually make communities beholden to their better off’s
    e] challenge threats to Britain’s independence – sounds very no rights for the peons to me…
    f] created by ConMen, M Thacher – nuff said
    g] concepts of duty, family, liberty & rule of law – must keep the peons in their place!

    No more needs to be said

    Gazza

    August 22, 2016 at 1:22 pm

    • A very accurate summary: First Class Honours all round!

      Andrew Coates

      August 22, 2016 at 4:37 pm

  9. want people to stand on their “own two feet”.

    All very well but nothing about barriers to work or ever important today finding and securing employment,standing on own feet with the need for tax credits,child benefit and the for some form of state entitlement when Osbourne resorted to threats to try and force an ending to credits ignoring the need for top ups,employers paying below the minimum wage an opposition which at the time foolishly belived that an election could be won at the expence of people on benifits.

    Those that are standing outside jobcentres repeatedly waiting to open when spoken to don’t have any qualifications that are adult related and often none combined with increasing age,applying for the usual more then 10 applied often 75-100 mostly agency ads’ standing on own two feet seems a long way off.

    ken

    August 22, 2016 at 3:59 pm

  10. Violet

    August 22, 2016 at 4:30 pm

  11. The only was to get on in life is through the virtues of self-reliance, hard-work, initiative, thrift and enterprise.

    — Margaret Thatcher (Deceased)

    The Ghost of Maggie Thatcher

    August 22, 2016 at 4:43 pm

    • Which is of course how the late Duke of Westminster became the third richest man in England.

      Lolly

      August 22, 2016 at 4:53 pm

      • Exactly! 🙂

        The Ghost of Denis Thatcher

        August 22, 2016 at 4:55 pm

      • (Although inheriting £9,000,000,000 of old family money probably helped a bit.)

        Lolly

        August 22, 2016 at 4:57 pm

      • But he could have easily squandered the £9,000,000,000 on wine, fast cars and even faster women or whatever. He has obviously put in the effort and hard graft required to turn it into a fortune!

        Goggle Choc Bomb

        August 22, 2016 at 5:34 pm

      • But he could have easily squandered the £9,000,000,000 on wine, fast cars and even faster women or whatever. He has obviously put in the effort and hard graft required to turn his start-up capital into a fortune!

        Goggle Choc Bomb

        August 22, 2016 at 5:39 pm

      • Lord and Lady Toffingham

        August 22, 2016 at 5:54 pm

    • initiative, thrift and enterprise.

      Perhaps a start could be made here.

      Fury as files on Mark Thatcher’s ‘corrupt’ dealing in the Middle East kept secret until 2053

      http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/fury-files-mark-thatchers-corrupt-8460468

      ken

      August 23, 2016 at 7:32 pm

      • lol ken, you are talking SHITE 😉 Maggie didn’t half set herself up on that one 🙂

        Fee Cees

        August 24, 2016 at 4:13 pm

  12. Anyone still taking the bus to work at the age of 21 has failed in life.

    — Margaret Thatcher (Deceased)

    The Ghost of Maggie Thatcher

    August 22, 2016 at 4:43 pm

    • I usually either walk or bicycle to my zero hour contract job as and when work is offered to me. Does mean I can consider myself a success in life?

      Lolly

      August 23, 2016 at 6:55 am

      • What Maggie meant was that if you aren’t driving a car to work you are in the modern day parlance a ‘loser’. i.e you were too poor to afford one and had to rely on public transport. Which is totally stupid when you think about it as it gives no consideration that someone may choose an alternative means of transport or even choose to walk or cycle for that matter. Consider my good self, a multi-millionaire, and a ‘Dragon’*, who cycles to work in London.

        Maggies’ perverse ideas didn’t make sense then and are even more out-dated and nonsensical nowadays.

        *Dragon’s Den is a BBC show in which budding entrepreneurs pitch ideas to a panel of multi-millionaire, successful business persons hoping that we will buy a stake in their fledgling business.

        Theo Paphitis

        August 24, 2016 at 4:34 pm

      • “Public transport is for losers.”

        — Homer Simpson

        Homer Simpson

        August 25, 2016 at 7:44 am

      • Damn straight, Theo! No shame in using a bike rather than a car these days. Even Norman Tebbit’s father got on his bike and looked for a job and didn’t stop looking until he found one. (Apparently.) Don’t actually know whether the bike was a bicycle or motorcycle but… hell!… whatever it was it had two wheels!

        Tim

        August 25, 2016 at 7:47 am

  13. Violet

    August 22, 2016 at 4:48 pm

  14. There is no such thing as society.

    — Margaret Thatcher (Deceased)

    The Ghost of Maggie Thatcher

    August 22, 2016 at 4:54 pm

    • No such thing as family in your case either Maggie. You died in a hotel belonging to the Barclay brothers with neither your beloved son or daughter at your side. Presumably they had better things to do that evening.

      Lolly

      August 22, 2016 at 6:18 pm

  15. Opinion: This single video shows why disability benefit assessments should be scrapped.

    Emily is 18 years-of-age and suffers with severe learning disabilities, autism and epilepsy.

    Despite her obvious disabilities and how they would affect her ability to live an independent life, Emily is required to complete complicated assessment forms to help determine her eligibility to receive disability benefits……………………

    http://www.welfareweekly.com/opinion-this-single-video-shows-why-disability-benefit-assessments-should-be-scrapped/

    enigma

    August 22, 2016 at 4:58 pm

    • Concentrated unadulterated cruelty. Shane on all concerned.

      Lolly

      August 22, 2016 at 5:09 pm

      • For “Shane” read “Shame”. No disrespect meant to Alan Ladd or Alfie Moon.

        Lolly

        August 22, 2016 at 5:11 pm

      • WCA is an unnecessary expense. Why not simply euthanize the below par, cut out the middle man, and make savings as per benefits, civil servant wages, all that unnecessary paperwork?

        Josef Mengele

        August 23, 2016 at 7:02 am

    • You have to have *some* sort of ‘assessment’ for disability benefits though otherwise we all be on ‘disability’ 😉

      WCA

      August 22, 2016 at 5:28 pm

      • When I’m sick I go to a doctor to be diagnosed, not to the DWP. In my view it is doctors who should assess sickness, disability and fitness for work not the DWP and certainly not private, profit making firms like MAXIMUS, who actually get paid more for every person they test and find fit for work than for those they don’t. Harassing a disabled person like Emily above, whose handicaps will be life-long and never go away, is pointless verging on the sadistic.

        Lolly

        August 22, 2016 at 6:14 pm

      • The interesting thing about the DWP/ATOS/Maximus assessment is that they tell you, right at the start of it, that they disregard all medical history and will be basing the decision on what the investigating officer finds. It doesn’t matter one jot that, like me, you have had the condition/ llness/disability for most of your life. It doesn’t matter at all because it is nothing more than a monetising exercise for all the departments. ( DWP/Jobcentreplus ) and the companies such as ATOS and Maximus. The more you get shifted from one agency to another, the more money is paid to those agencies because each decision made by the individual agencies incurs a fee. More money for them and more stress for the ” claimant “.

        maxwell1957

        August 22, 2016 at 6:59 pm

      • Bollocks! You must think we are stupid!

        Doctors are not truly independent. They are part of the local community. They are too ingrained. They can be subjected to bullying, harassment and intimidation. Some doctors will do anything for a quiet life. Back before independent assessments doctors were handing out sick notes like sweeties. In the same way they hand out prescription drugs that get sold on.

        Oh sure, the malingerers would love to go back to the days of being signed off ‘sick’ by their anything-for-a-quiet doctor down in their local surgery.

        We are not fucking stupid and neither is the Government.

        There is money at stake here. Public money. Money that people actually work for and pay in taxes – it has to be protected from fraud and abuse.

        In any sphere an assessment, test, exam which involves the potential for fraudulent gain has to be carried out by an independent examiner.

        You may as well say: “Why can’t my mum assess me for my Driving Test?”

        Maxwell House

        August 22, 2016 at 9:44 pm

      • Why can’t my mum assess me for my driving test? Mum has spent ages teaching me to drive so she knows my driving a lot better than some so-called ‘driving test examiner’ who has never met me and will only spend 40 minutes with me supposedly assessing my driving!

        L Driver

        August 22, 2016 at 10:00 pm

      • Personally I consider the WCA far too lenient. Did you know that terminally ill cancer patients with less than 26 weeks of life left in them are allowed to stop working to prepare for death? Why? In Auschwitz we worked everyone until they died or we exterminated them and many more remained productive until final collapse or the gas chamber. The terminally ill are doomed to die anyway. Might as well get as much mileage out of them before their certain end.

        Josef Mengele

        August 23, 2016 at 7:15 am

      • Ok maxwell house, we are listening so present us with your evidence where a doctor directly gave out a sicknote like sweets.

        What your insisting not only goes against medical ethics but is also a fraudulent action which is a criminal offense and would see this doctor struck off. You are sir to put no finer point to it, accusing them of malpractice, a very slanderous accusation.

        So i put it to you that it is you who is talking bollocks.

        doug

        August 23, 2016 at 8:29 am

      • “You may as well say: “Why can’t my mum assess me for my Driving Test?”

        That’s pretty moronic, sport. Driving is a learned skill and the test a measurement of competence in respect to an acquired ability and competence. The Work Capability Assessment is supposed to be a measurement of how physically and mentally a person is in respect to doing entering the workplace: sickness and disability are innate not learned and so cannot be assessed fairly by a one-size-fits-all standardised examination Hence medical and psychiatric reports having to be drawn up by qualified doctors in respect to people being tried for crimes, in order to determine sanity and responsibility as far as sentencing goes; trying to use a check-box points based test to determine whether somebody is answerable for what they have done would be widely criticised if introduced into the justice system globally. Why? Because disability and sickness are untidy and present differently, at different times, to those afflicted: A simple, standardised test like WCA, carried out by the medically inexpert, could never fairly assess physical and mental competence sensitively or accurately. Hence thousands of people being found fit for work by the WCA dying within weeks of being declare work-ready and the, probably, hundreds of thousands of successful appeals against WCA decisions won by people falsely found fit for work when they were anything but.

        Many thousands of perfectly innocent and deserving people have been harassed to death by the current regime, some of the frailest and most vulnerable being driven to suicide as their lives became too much for them to bear.

        This isn’t the way any civilised country should behave.

        Labour, Conservative and Liberal Democrat parties are jointly responsible for this atrocious mess.

        (And the thread running through it all is none other than Baron David Freud.)

        Tim

        August 23, 2016 at 9:07 am

      • Not to mention Tim its already been proven relatives and friends can be too favourable so less unbiased and less patient towards teaching other family members or friends.

        On top of that do we say how long youve had a license dictates your professionalism like we do in industry and what about mileage.

        My god Tim going by that persons post that would make me one of the leading experts in the country. whats next i never have accidents ?

        Silly posts by silly people Tim just looking to goat people plain and simple. don’t you think.

        doug

        August 23, 2016 at 11:37 am

      • WCA

        Er, no. My disablity is very very visible when I point it out. It was that this was so – say to claim for parking, but it is no longer the case. I can’t point you to the particular Equality Act but it was simplified to reduce the costs to all parties and, basically make it simplier.

        And the biggest joke – That came from a ATOS Advisor (Employment side) a couple of years ago

        Gazza

        August 23, 2016 at 4:17 pm

      • @Maxwell House

        You appear to be making things up and putting them in other people’s mouths.

        Where did I say that a person’s own local family doctor should be the one to test to determine whether a person is fit for work or not? What I actually said was that a “doctor” should do the test and by “doctor” I meant a properly qualified and experienced general practitioner, not necessarily known to the person in advance, who has access to and examined the tested person’s medical notes and history. This is the only way in my opinion that a valid opinion in respect to any person’s health can be determined fairly.

        To be honest you seem to have no idea about anything you’re commenting on.

        Lolly

        August 23, 2016 at 4:26 pm

      • The Simple reason DWP wont use doctors is because of medical ethics.

        The scam maximus and Atos ran and run requires misdiagnosis which would mean the action when over turned in tribunal gives the claimant legal action to instigate proceedings for malpractice.

        doug

        August 23, 2016 at 4:52 pm

      • A doctors statement in tribunal trumps anything a maximus practioner could say.

        doug

        August 23, 2016 at 4:54 pm

  16. Violet

    August 22, 2016 at 5:09 pm

    • Gandalf! The all seeing eye of Sauron is on the go again. Fuckin’ pervert!

      Samwise

      August 22, 2016 at 5:13 pm

    • Hmm…Maxwell house, interesting point of view have you ever considered attending an anger management course?

      maxwell1957

      August 23, 2016 at 11:31 am

      • What you saying? That we should just allow people to make a claim for disability benefits, process it and leave it at that? And what about those DWP fraud investigators who regularly catch so-called ‘disabled’ people who claim in their statements to the DWP that they can’t lift an empty cardboard box and are subsequently caught on flim loading their motability car with heavy timber planks from the DIY store? Should we get rid of them?

        Nescafe

        August 23, 2016 at 12:03 pm

      • The truth be told the reason that the criteria for disability benefits was tightened because the system was inherent with fraud. I had an uncle who used to take a walking stick on his very occasional visit to the DWP doctor. There was absolutely nothing wrong with him. He used to laugh and joke about it: “Why have you got a walking stick uncle?” “I am going to see the DWP doctor 😀 “. He was an extremely fit man who used to mountain-climb and all sorts of extreme physical activity and had even financed a trip to the Himalayas on his ‘disability’ benefits.

        In those days all you had to do was walk a few yards up a hill and fall over in the street to quality for disability benefits. The system was a joke! We all know it, but some of us just don’t want to admit it. And that is the reason it was tightened up. Again, we all know it, but some of us just don’t want to admit it.

        If anyone is to blame to for the increased scrutiny on genuinely disabled people it is those who were taking the Micheal with the system, and it is those very same people who cry out with: “Why can’t my doctor assess me? They know my condition better than anyone.” Human nature always wins and if there is ‘free’ money going some unscrupulous people will take it.

        Coffee Bean

        August 23, 2016 at 12:18 pm

      • Okay, Nescafé. I am always suspicious of anybody who quote as being” verbatim ” information such as you appear to have done.
        Where did you get this information from?
        Were you an eye-witness to this incident, or was it something along the lines of it being in an article that you read online?

        Do you realise that the level of ” benefit fraud ” is actually less than one per cent of the total amount paid out?
        The latest figures that I have awareness are from either 2014 or 2015.
        ( there is a time lag associated with such information )
        It showed that of the level of fraud in the benefit system was zero point seven of one percent. ( 0.7% )

        maxwell1957

        August 23, 2016 at 4:29 pm

      • @ Nescafe

        There you go again! Making shit up and attributing it to others. Maxwell1957 didn’t type or insinuate anything like your comment suggests. You ask the question “What are you saying?” and using your own words write something completely different down as if reporting something that someone actually said in the third person.

        Stick to saying what you want to say and cut out falsely reinterpreting what others say.

        Lolly

        August 23, 2016 at 4:32 pm

      • Thats interesting nescafe what you say about to much medical fraud by claimants as DWPs own figures demonstrated quite the opposite and blew the tories whole basis out of the water so i suppose if it tanked them for you its a case of

        Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

        doug

        August 23, 2016 at 5:16 pm

  17. Baron Maurice Saatchi. Brother to the well known “wife strangler” Charles Saatchi.

    Lolly

    August 22, 2016 at 6:03 pm

  18. Reblogged this on sdbast.

    sdbast

    August 22, 2016 at 6:20 pm

  19. EU spymasters lobby for change in encryption law. – limit encrypted comms.

    Sam Jones in London, Duncan Robinson in Brussels and Guy Chazan in Berlin

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/08fe566e-679e-11e6-ae5b-a7cc5dd5a28c.html?siteedition=uk#axzz4I5UoIH3t

    enigma

    August 22, 2016 at 6:39 pm

  20. The new Housing Minister that Theresa May tasked to increase home-building has been accused of taking a “not in my back yard” approach, after it emerged he fought against the construction of hundreds of properties in his own constituency.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/new-housing-minister-gavin-barwell-campaigned-against-massive-housing-development-in-his-london-a7203726.html

    enigma

    August 22, 2016 at 6:46 pm

    • Did you see that program dispatches i think on how what government claimed was land and plan to build more houses turned out to be nothing more than an opportunity for businesses, mariners and expensive luxury pads.

      I still don’t condone what happened to MP cox but to be honest with how im,you are constantly being pushed, i can see exactly why he reacted the way he did and why it was so frenzied in nature.

      doug

      August 22, 2016 at 9:34 pm

  21. The Tribunals Service is working towards an online appeal system in which appeals hearings could last for weeks, according to Judge John Aitken, president of the social entitlement chamber which deals with benefits appeals.

    http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/3545-online-benefits-appeal-hearings-could-last-for-weeks-says-tribunal-president

    enigma

    August 22, 2016 at 7:03 pm

    • What is it with business and government, why cant they understand going online puts peoples data at risk ?

      Your CV, your medical records, tax and now court data it appears. The government and businesses are trying to create a one stop shop of data for themselves to mine and to hell with us.

      doug

      August 22, 2016 at 9:30 pm

  22. Birmingham boy of 8 killed in grenade attack on house in sweden

    http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/british-schoolboy-8-killed-in-sweden-grenade-attack-as-explosive-hurled-into-flat-as-he-visits-relatives/ar-BBvUIr4?ocid=spartandhp

    Now i don’t do tweets or Facebook so social media wise i have to take others stories on anti sentiment but after reading the comments section to this story on the mirror webpage, i can see it is very much more than others state. How the loss of an 8 year old and i don’t care where he’s from, can twisted into such a debate beggars belief.

    Even more shocking is how the news paper has done nothing to cut off the comment feed, they should be ashamed of themselves as anywhere else would have had moderators to nip it in the bud.

    doug

    August 22, 2016 at 9:20 pm

  23. British man shows german police that their inferior and beats and tosses them like candy

    http://www.msn.com/en-gb/video/news/man-knocks-multiple-police-officers-to-the-ground-in-fight-at-airport/vi-BBuZdpk?ocid=spartandhp

    We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France,
    we shall fight on the seas and oceans,
    we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
    we shall fight on the beaches,
    we shall fight on the landing grounds,
    we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
    we shall fight in the hills;
    and now we shall fight in the airport:
    We shall never surrender

    doug

    August 22, 2016 at 10:02 pm

  24. Stagnant wages trap MILLIONS of households in ‘problem debt’

    Shocking research reveals 3.2 million households are in ‘problem debt’, while more than a million are in ‘extreme problem debt’.

    Are they sure about those numbers?

    http://www.welfareweekly.com/stagnant-wages-trap-millions-of-households-in-problem-debt/

    enigma

    August 23, 2016 at 9:18 am

    • Personal debt in the UK is massively high Enigma and if you consider subtracting this and other debts like the national debt and mortgages if not included in that personal debt, you will see wage rises, job creation and such is far less progressive than our government and financial sector would have us believe.

      The GDP in the UK is built on massive bubbles so like the sub prime mortgages disaster, another massive crash globally is just around the corner so its not a case of if but when and considering austerity is near boned, our options the next time round will be extremely limited.

      doug

      August 23, 2016 at 11:50 am

      • doug

        agreed. The one which won’t have a direct affect here is the Chinese Shadow Banks. It looks like its coming to the boil [Chinese Gov owns all the land – you rent. Shadow banks provide off the books lending, think on insane things like cockroach racing – yes it is that mad. The shadow banking crisis underpins everything. Army owned factories and collectives, buildings, factories you name it] But the knock on effect if/when it causes a collapse will be felt around the world. Current slow down in employment despite the lies in the press about lowering numbers.

        Oh and here in the UK and in US they’re back selling the types of mortgages that led to the last crash.

        Gazza

        August 23, 2016 at 4:35 pm

      • Not to mention the whole idea of student loans is to make a large section of the population get used to being in debt for half their lives.

        Andrew Coates

        August 23, 2016 at 4:45 pm

      • Actually Andrew Coates no as debt is what gives the money in your pocket value and its been that way for decades.

        Theirs not enough gold in the world anymore to back money so in effect IOUs are required and hence debt.

        The drive to put us all in debt is to repair the damage of all the stimuluses that have reversed this effect.

        What the worlds leaders have done is basically put on hold those pounds you have sinking into a minus or possibility worse negative. So if they cant get us into debt you can imagine the result.

        I know it sounds crazy but saving is negative to money, but i wont go on as its a complicated process to explain and neither you or i have book size time to discuss it.

        doug

        August 23, 2016 at 5:38 pm

      • If you mean that ‘saving’ is a mug’s game in that it destroys capital, well, that’s true, and that is why smart people invest.

        Divy Dend

        August 24, 2016 at 4:03 pm

  25. Are school academies an avenue for disaster ?

    https://ourfuture.org/20130905/charter-schools-for-scandals

    http://educationopportunitynetwork.org/charter-schools-for-scandals/

    https://www.maetoday.org/index.php/News-Articles-2012-2013/charter-school-scandal-grows.html

    Theirs tons and tons of stories on it from as soon as it began right up to even now so the question is, how comes our government is not aware of this while researching academies and if they are, why did they conceal the risks ?

    doug

    August 23, 2016 at 12:00 pm

  26. OT: DWPS desperate attempt to cover up Work Programme facilitators – Court Costs (Huge!!!!)

    You won’t/Will believe this…

    H/T: Refuted

    https://mrfrankzola.wordpress.com/2016/08/23/costsofblockingnamesofworkfarehosts/

    DWP wasted £92, 249.86 to stop the naming and shaming of workfare hosts

    Nice work for someone…

    Gazza

    August 23, 2016 at 4:19 pm

    • Will they pay the same amount or more for the next round of workfare hosts.

      enigma

      August 23, 2016 at 4:56 pm

  27. OT: Working & Claiming UC? You’ll get Sanctioned…

    h/t: Refuted

    http://www.rightsnet.org.uk/forums/viewthread/10140/

    Claimant works part-time on UC. Got Extra days work on signing day. Rang it in – JC said no problemo.

    Sanctioned for non-attendance.

    MR confirms despite providing letter from Employer of that day.

    Appears was sanctioned again… Probably due to claimant is still breathing – not for long if they get their way.

    Welcome to the hell that is UC

    Gazza

    August 23, 2016 at 4:29 pm

    • Food bank was busy today, most on UC, yes that’s UC.

      enigma

      August 23, 2016 at 4:59 pm

    • But a few appeals started!

      enigma

      August 23, 2016 at 5:05 pm

    • Theirs something odd about this as a letter from a company cant be disputed if the employer says he worked and this employer is registered at company house which companies have to be. I like to see DWP explain how that day will be on his pay slip which will be logged at inland revenue.

      No i have concerns about this post on rightsnet as even DWP aren’t that thick to think they would get away with it but who knows.

      doug

      August 23, 2016 at 5:46 pm

      • doug

        consider what I have indicated is/has been going on at a certain office. Anything is possible with this shower… they feel no shame, all they see is the £70 per head and sitting on their high horse abusing those below [it would be interesting to know what bonuses for meeting ‘off-flow’ the mangers get as a result…]

        Gazza

        August 23, 2016 at 10:54 pm

    • What do you expect, all the conditionality was designed in by an idiot.

      Another Fine Tory Economic Recession

      August 23, 2016 at 11:37 pm

    • Gazza i take it you clocked the dates yes ?

      MR 8/08/2016

      EMPLOYERS LETTER DATED 12/08/2016

      MRN 14/08/2016

      The 12th falls on a Friday, the 14th falls on Sunday. So now add a 1st class letter takes a day while 2nd takes 3 working days so not Saturday, not Sunday as their not classed working days meaning if and only if 2nd class would mean the letter wouldn’t arrive until Wednesday the 17th and if it was first class it would be the 13th but as we know or at least i do anyway as an once upon a time ex Tax officer, the mailroom would have been shut on Saturday and Sunday still meaning this decision maker count not have received it before the 15th.
      Now theirs nothing to say they weren’t and it was overtime but DWP list their offices as shut Saturday and Sunday so how comes the notice is dated 14th which is a Sunday.

      Did you notice this Gazza as not here or rightsnet has a single sole person mentioned what i just have ?

      Lastly why don’t we have the date of the day this person was dew to attend or was failed to attend, their was no problem supplying the other dates, why not this ?

      The MRN must be the date of when it was actioned if we assume someone was working that day as it cant be the day the claimant received it as that’s a Sunday.

      Knowing what DWP are like as remember further down its cited this person was possibly sanction prior to this one so this claimant is no stranger to DWP tactics so WHY didn’t they ask their employer to right it out the day they worked so they could take it to the JCP when they did turn up as you still have to go in the moment your are not working.

      Now their might be a legit reason which again surrounds dates hence my curious and cautious approach to this post at rightsnet.

      All thats happened at this stage if someone did work at DWP on Sunday the 14th is the evidence failed to reach before the decision was taken so as far DWP complying with their own policy, they have done no wrong.

      ALL IS NOT LOST THOUGH as once they go to their local councillor this can be reversed and case closed.

      doug

      August 24, 2016 at 10:55 am

      • doug

        sorry didn’t see the dates [very very distracted at moment – hope for clarification on health front tomorrow morning].

        I have never heard of DWP DMs working on Saturday/Sunday so this is a new one – there is NO Overtime so this has gone from fishy to high stench to me. And as you point out there is no posting on a Saturday/Sundays. As for dates the reported dates must be from the dates of the letters which nails it dead about being any other day.

        It begs the question. If dated Saturday & posted on that date, how did the person get access to DWP premises on that day? How did the letter leave the closed premises on that day and get inserted in to the Royal Mail delivery pipeline?

        If as I suspect that the claimant falls under Equality act, I pray they take them to the cleaners – it is clearly a fit up. But as we have come to expect and know with DWP the Mangement Roaches are so useless they couldn’t shit in a bucket even if you tied it to their backsides [sorry for the graphic imagery – but its spot on in my view].

        Gazza

        August 24, 2016 at 2:27 pm

      • DMs will have all been long gone by 3pm Monday to Friday as will have most of the other staff. I’ve passed cockroaches after they have just left the jobcentre at around about 2:45pm. There is only a skeleton staff left in jobcentres at 4pm. And only the G4s guards left to lock up at 5pm. Have a look in the next time you are passing a jobcentre and see all the empty cockroach desks… they will have all scuttled off 😉 … they very same cockroaches who tell us we should be working every hour God sends. Anyway, to even suggest that a DM would come in on a Sunday is preposterous.

        Invasion of the Cockroaches

        August 24, 2016 at 3:40 pm

      • Absolutely.

        Unemployment is, after all, officially down.

        Andrew Coates

        August 24, 2016 at 4:18 pm

      • Thinking aout this I bet if the claimant requests the original electronic documents she/he’ll be told they no longer exist or it is not possible to forward them.

        Reason? The DM is one particular person. Plus the dates show it is deliberate. Harrassment methinks. It is also falsification of official documents right there – failure to produce them as requested above is collusion. These people are as usual just useless blunt tools.

        Gazza

        August 24, 2016 at 5:33 pm

      • The common mistake is to think JCP and DWP are the same department when in fact their not. JCP is in effect customer service, the frontline for DWP so working time for the two can and are different.

        While the classic 9 to 5 is still very much alive at DWP in particular, government took the tact to split a job so as to cover their bet as so to speak. You’ve only got to remember both staff listed as part time are consistently threatened with no contract renewal if they don’t meet targets or do as their told (you know, lie, mislead,twist), which is very real. This wouldn’t be so easy to do if all were full time meaning government would have had to employ more full time staff than required to cover or face delays and thus push up the staff bill they have been desperately cutting. Part timers give government wiggle room on a system already under pressure.

        ANYWAY LETS TALK MANDATORY RECONSIDERATION AND THIS CASE.

        Well and yes how convenient, a MR time length is , “how long is a piece of string”, meaning a day to a year, theirs no statue on it believe it or not. That aside if we go by the dates supplied DWP or private company like Concentrix for instance a company paid on a payment by results basis took a mere 6/7 days to process the MR but how does that fit with, WHAT IS A FAIR TIME TO ALLOW A CLAIMANT TO SUMMIT EVIDENCE ?

        Well neither the claimant or DWP can control the time of this claimants employer replying and as businesses are often busy and MRs arent their regular concern or legal obligation, i would argue legally the time allowed in this case to produce evidence is insufficient as the only way to truly establish the employer as being the employer is a letter headed letter. Well if like DWP this employer does 2nd class, the employer was only allowed 1 DAY so summit evidence.

        You see while you all became beguiled by whether or not a DWP employee or contractor actually worked on a Sunday, yet again failed to clock the point i just made.

        So the legal argument is DID the DM provide the claimant with sufficient time to produce evidence and clearly as i have demonstrated NO they did not and completely disregarded the fact not only that both the claimant and employer are working and in the case of the claimant mandated by regulation to look for work up to 35 hours a week in order to receive benefit in the first place, completely disregarded the fact post does not flow at weekends besides what was sent 1st class on Friday before 7.30pm. If and only if the employer did send 1st class Friday, the DM would have their hands tied explaining how they didn’t receive the evidence before making a decision.

        If this claimant was on my caseload, this would be a slam dunk case as if DWP refused to engage on my very valid points, i not only would easily win in tribunal, the judge panel would berate DWP on not only wasting tribunal time but effectively wasting taxpayer money as well by being totally unreasonable.

        In reality however i would need more data than 3 mere dates to be conclusive as i could possibly find more damning evidence against DWP so this Derbyshire Welfare Rights Service should be ashamed of themselves in not seeing the obvious and i will be ringing them after 9am to point this out and give them a piece of my mind about how unqualified this representative is and how perhaps this advisor might be better placed in another industry that does not revolve around giving people advice where a lack of knowledge could and frankly would be detrimental to their client.

        doug

        August 25, 2016 at 6:56 am

      • When you think about it jobcentre cockroaches are really just a bunch of bone-idle lazy bastards. There are so fucking lazy that they will wait for the printer next to them to become available rather than get off their four arses to waddle across to the other side of the office to use the available printer. And these over-paid, lazy bastards have the audacity and temerity to preach the values and virtues of hard work: these bone-idle bastards have never done a day’s work in their pampered lives. Wonder how longer they would last doing back-breaking, monotonous, mind-numbing, spirit-crushing, grueling, tedious labour in a recycling plant or stuck in the stifling atmosphere of the back of a ‘charity’ shop sorting through shitty knickers?

        Jobcentre cockroaches are lazy bastards

        August 25, 2016 at 7:56 am

  28. New World Order Feudal Enslavement System.

    Marie

    August 23, 2016 at 6:44 pm

  29. What’s happening with the Health Service?

    My local hospital is is looking for nurses, etc, they are also looking for volunteers.

    Interesting comment by ProsecutingSolicitor

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/aug/22/secret-documents-reveal-official-concerns-over-seven-day-nhs-plans

    enigma

    August 24, 2016 at 8:50 am

    • And lots and lots of hospitals are from what I hear looking to get rid of backroom staff.

      Never mind they are at bare staffing levels now.

      Gazza

      August 24, 2016 at 2:29 pm

  30. Hundreds of thousands of low-income households in Britain are facing a living standards crisis that by 2020 will see them struggling to meet a £100-a-month shortfall between rents and housing benefit payments, according to the Fabian Society.

    Many private tenants could become homeless if they cannot find the money to meet the shortfall, while others will be forced to turn to food banks or “black market” cash-in-hand jobs to make ends meet, says the leftwing thinktank.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/aug/24/poor-uk-private-rent-homelessness-risk-housing-benefit-shortfall-2020

    enigma

    August 24, 2016 at 9:12 am

    • That is a terrible prospect.

      People paying massive rents, people living off rents, it’s a ridiculous way to organise society.

      Andrew Coates

      August 25, 2016 at 4:47 pm

  31. Still believe my remarks regarding digital surveillance of the film minority report are baseless ?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37154918

    Well their you go.

    doug

    August 24, 2016 at 11:02 am

  32. Well done Owen Smith, you just tore up democracy and why is it again i should vote for you ?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37167253

    Now for the record i was for remain BUT and I’ve made this a open fact, I’ve been strongly against this discussion of a second referendum on the grounds it breaks the ideology of what a democracy constitutes.

    What Owen Smith prescribes is to put no finer point on it, a dictatorial act and as such no matter what he promises is firmly and absolutely no different to the conservatives and thus makes him a conservative.

    doug

    August 24, 2016 at 11:09 am

  33. How capitalism is destroying itself.

    I’ve, Gazza and a great deal of others have often spoken about how capitalism is starting to hit its expiry date but despite my best efforts could never consolidate the data to size a person would read and thus ended up throwing chunks at people that alas they failed to connect and enter into debate about.

    WELL, Dr. Richard Wolff, thank my lucky stars for my transgressions, HAS.

    Its a 35 min video that’s very easy to digest and i STRONGLY URGE YOU TO WATCH IT as it will give you a very god ground in the points i and others have made.

    MUST WATCH/ MUST WATCH/ MUST WATCH/ MUST WATCH/ MUST WATCH/ MUST WATCH

    doug

    August 24, 2016 at 11:17 am

    • Just watched it doug – brilliant! 😃

      Marie

      August 24, 2016 at 12:26 pm

    • doug

      watched earlier – saved off as intend to watch again as it was all spot on

      Gazza

      August 24, 2016 at 10:26 pm

      • Im glad you both think so as all to often peoples judgement is clouded around the issue with usually either side dismissing the other on a fruitless basis.

        As you can see in your own realities what he prescribes is happening is exactly that in reality and a prime place to see the drop in standards is in the cleaning industry where rather than have in house cleaning staff, the work is contracted out to firms who under price their tender so to recoup such a loss set impossible time targets for cleaners that tend to lead to poor service which in certain hospital cases has lead to the spread of disease or a high risk of it that thankfully was averted.

        Now some may have seen a recent BBC show which takes people from other trades often semi to skilled trades whether current or prior but in fairness i assume also some non skilled like a domestic house cleaner.
        Well the first task was cleaning a certain amount of hotel rooms in groups of 2 on a single floor with a time set at 24 min per room.Well the end result was if i remember right, only one room was of a standard to be given out on an entire floor or if wrong, wing. All even the domestic house cleaner couldn’t get it right.

        Now openly said on the programme, the hotels contractor for cleaning cleaners are all foreign and interestingly enough the contestant that did score the highest involved sure enough a foreign woman.
        You see the foreigners we speak of come from countries that for ever have their staff working at bullet pace inorder to produce revenue for their economy as they lacked competent education with often kids as young as 8 working to hep compete against the rest of the world, often countries were agriculture is the main stay of work in order to keep the country feed such is their economy and this has nothing to do with the 2008 crash but this did only serve to make it worse.

        Then we have the sweat shop industry, transfer/relocation of industry and on and on it goes pushing wages and thus living lower and lower. Now in the UK their NLW so theirs a point these businesses cant undercut so what they do is instead create unrealistic targets so as to tender for even more and thus move from quality to quantity just to make a profit. As is the case and clearly seen from this program, UK citizens by far and large cant compete with the such Europeans on speed that maintains good service in cleaning so we see these businesses selecting certain EU migrants over not only UK citizens but also certain European countries like say France or Italy for instance. So systemic is it that often businesses or recruitment agencies will go abroad to sell themselves to such poor countries and then kid us all they were fair in employing who they chose. Is this ethical, no it isn’t but non the less it goes on and government does nothing to prevent it because their still getting the revenue so despite all this don’t want to work crap, they place this practice over the needs of their very own country public to hide the fact.

        Now as time progresses the UK citizen will develop the timing which means the poor polish for instance now have no choice but to go home and lose a revenue stream and so their countries economics plunges once again with all the while such businesses not giving a crap you have no money to feed their 6 year child let alone themselves.

        This is but one aspect of one part of the problem with capitalism and why if your unemployed and a british born citizen your often rejected for such non skilled jobs, an issue i doubt an advisor is knowledgeable enough to even be aware of let alone take it into consideration when they accuse certain claimants of not putting enough effort in securing work. You see when you get rejected employers and DWP constantly say your the problem when infact its their ideology that is and why their now so desperate to push the unemployed and school leavers into unpaid work experience for nothing but their measly 73.10 which if you do say 35 hours a week means your valued at a piffle £2.08 an hour to live on which is 28% of the NLW they say a person rock bottom needs to live on and why people leaving the unemployment are still heavily state dependent and why tax credits and housing benefit exist today meaning despite being in work, the Tory government has indeed failed in its pledge to make work pay.

        I don’t know about others but i ask questions at interviews and i always speak my mind and theirs many a time ive seen fear on employers faces when they realize Ive bubbled them and their dirty skanky practices of abusing employees for the sake of a buck, the same fear i see in recruitment agencies which has resulted in certain agencies refusing to put me on their books or when i get DWP to intervene, i go on the books but never get a phone call and why they then proceed to lie to DWP that work has dropped off, a certain best connections being one of them who made alongside transline made 50 million from sports direct in just shirebrook.

        According to this particular best connections they lost my paperwork yet when i mentioned they only have 4 office rooms on one floor with walls and closed windows so it shouldn’t take that long to find it so i will wait, instead called the police behind my back and lied bare face to them that i was being hostile and they were in fear when the truth was i was calm, collective and happy as why wouldn’t i be when we all are when we know we’re right. In this case i also additionally uncovered how their committing tax avoidance through umbrella companies with my extensive prior knowledge of tax law what with starting out life working for the tax office as a civil servant. I also uncovered their shady practice of hiring certain EU migrants from certain countries as reps and office workers directly in employ at best connections so as to hide recruitment drives abroad by saying they went home to see their parents which im sure they did but non the less while their instructed fellow country people to come to the UK and sign on at best connections and we will give you work. This way this particular best connections would not been seen to be behaving inappropriately and unethically. Im sure if i persisted i would find a link between the slumlords renting properties out to these foreign workers with best connections but i didn’t so who really knows.

        Oh before i finish that best connections office later said my paperwork was lost while posting it to an employer yet when i said so you have breached my data protection then, they replied no as their was no personal information on it to which i replied if that’s the case then how do they know who it is your recommending,naturally they couldn’t answer but this time, i didn’t stick around for them to lie to the police a second time but i did record it and play it to DWP so they couldn’t sanction me for a problem i didn’t create.

        doug

        August 25, 2016 at 8:29 am

      • 28:08 – This is the ‘Money Trick’ as explained in the Ragged Trousered Philanthropist: You are paid $20 and hour to produce $200 (£7.20 an hour minimum wage to produce £72) And, Dr Wolff says as you head off after a back-breaking shift stacking shelves or whatever you feel exploited – because you are! It’s a SCAM!

        The Ragged Trousered Philanthropist

        August 25, 2016 at 8:59 am

      • Its the wealth creation argument The Ragged Trousered Philanthropist that they came up with the idea,took the risk and without them the world would be strewn with poverty.

        HOWEVER lets use sainsburys as an example (sorry sainsburys, nothing personal).

        How is or did sainburys get so big and profitable, what do you see most of besides products on the shelves ?

        Now you answered that if sainburys never reached out to anyone to assist, how big would sainburys be now if their was only one person with two arms and two legs doing it ?

        As you can glaringly see sainburys would still be the proverbial single corner shop turning over a far far far less profit that it does today.

        This proves does it not beyond all reasonable doubt that it is the staff, the lesser paid workers and NOT the owner that is the wealth creator as he could have had all the ideas he likes and taken all the loans he liked, he still would have been just a corner shop, yes ?

        Now nowhere is it recorded or stored a petition from city folk pleading with government or John James Sainsbury to “please help us governor, im so poor” so theirs absolutely no proof whats so ever that establishes any credence to the notion of helping the poor.
        Infact if you look at him in wikipedia its stated i quote, ” Throughout his life, John James avoided personal publicity and little evidence remains of his character” so he cant even be tied to a charity or cause at the outset to when he died in 1928.

        Now after that as time progressed sainburys went from a family owned business to the completely unrecognizable establishment it is today who have no if any ties at all to him. So if for argument sack sainsburys did say today “if it wasn’t for us” then they would be in effect plagiarising a dead man.

        So do you see how it does not stack up in the light when mostly all business owners or investors declare their the wealth creator and curing poverty.

        doug

        August 25, 2016 at 9:42 am

      • I am paid £7.20 an hour to stack shelves for Lord Sainsbury. For that I have to produce £72 worth of ‘capital’. But when I go to spend my £7.20 in Lord Sainsbury’s shop I can only purchase 72 pence worth of goods. That is how capitalism works

        The Ragged Trousered Sainsbury Shelf-Stacker

        August 25, 2016 at 10:17 am

      • I am paid £7.20 an hour to stack shelves for Lord Sainsbury. For that I have to produce £72 worth of ‘capital’. But when I go to spend my £7.20 in Lord Sainsbury’s shop I can only purchase 72 pence worth of ‘capital’. That is how capitalism works

        The Ragged Trousered Sainsbury Shelf-Stacker

        August 25, 2016 at 10:20 am

      • “There can be no Wealth without Labour.”

        — Karl Marx

        Karl Marx

        August 25, 2016 at 10:25 am

      • “The worker becomes all the poorer the more wealth he produces, the more his production increases in power and range. The worker becomes an ever cheaper commodity the more commodities he creates. With the increasing value of the world of things proceeds in direct proportion to the devaluation of the world of men. Labour produces not only commodities; it produces itself and the worker as a commodity — and does so in the proportion in which it produces commodities generally.”

        — Karl Marx

        Karl Marx

        August 25, 2016 at 10:27 am

      • “Hi ho hi ho , Its off to work we go 🙂 !!”

        — Karl Marx

        Karl Marx

        August 25, 2016 at 10:28 am

      • You have to watch with this calling the police crap even if you are never charged with anything. The police record a ‘narrative’ which goes on their system as ‘intelligence’. So they next time you are accused of “aggressive” it means they are more likely to charge you with something. It could also show up in “enhanced” criminal record checks. Better to walk away as they say…. 😉

        Walkaway

        August 25, 2016 at 11:05 am

      • I dont believe in rules, especially those made by weak people who hide behind others. As for the police,their just basically the biggest most illegitimate gang in the a country as a necassary evil as they are that could be taken off the streets at the stroke of a governments pen which will happen eventually when their privatized.

        As for aggressive, have a laugh, my country taught me to kill innocent women and kids under the veil we’re doing good in the world and yes i still sleep very soundly as i don’t pretend to be any different to any other species that walks,scampers,crawls,swims and flies just because i have opposable thumbs and carry the mental deficiency to believe in deities that said they made it all for me.

        Yes ive killed, yes ive seriously maimed, yes the police know yet government had absolutely no problem giving me security clearance to service their nationwide constabularies because they know if i kill you, you deserved it and as we say , you cant make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.

        So i suppose you could say im a licensed psychopath but i wouldn’t care as even as a kid in the times when men were real men we kids were taught, “sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me” and considering its a concussion of air, its absolutely right unlike people in their thirties and backwards who are taught lala black sheep, hold a gun like a handbag and don’t get me started on how they need twenty thousand rounds just to hit a target 2 feet away and finally and im laughing already how people commit suicide just because what someone said about them online.

        So do i care about what goes in a police book, no i don’t and besides i know most of them around my area, i worked in their police stations, broke bread at their tables with their wife and kids so for them their is no danger or even danger of them making up crap like im aggressive because if i was, that would be grossly understating it to say the least.

        doug

        August 25, 2016 at 3:55 pm

      • Who have you killed, “doug”? From your comment it sounds like it was in the UK? Northern Ireland? Were you a member of some sort of undercover “hit squad”? Did you carry out assassinations? How did you carry out the killings? Did you carry out the executions alone or as part of a group? An army sniper? A police marksman? It would make for an interesting comment? How does it feel to take a like btw. There was a programme on Channel a couple of days ago called Secrets of a Police Marksman about the UK’s most prolific police marksman – Tony Long – who ended up on trial for murder and was subsequently acquitted. He answered that question by answering: “It felt like training, being on the range.” Some of are plagued by a guilty conscience if we accidentally run over and kill wildlife on the road, or accidentally squash a spider. So what does it fell to take a human life, “doug”? What does killing feel like?

        The Mechanic

        August 25, 2016 at 4:50 pm

      • Or is your comment cut ‘n’ pasted from some place? Hmm…

        The Mechanic

        August 25, 2016 at 4:54 pm

      • I think you’ve been watching too many movies The Mechanic as i was a plain ordinary soldier like everyone else and rose ranks but not to NCO so if you think or think i think i was some SBS then im afraid im going to have to disappoint you but hey lets face it your probably one of those generations i was talking about unless you were one of those folk who couldn’t graduate beyond a wanna be street thug in civiy street but that’s ok as you wouldn’t be the first man to cry out in the real field or as we use to call them pocket moms who pretty much outed themselves in basic training let alone in the field.

        Anyway as for the reference about baby killing when and this is any war, or op you tally the score in retrospect your always find you kill more innocent than you will those your their for in the first place.

        Like i said earlier talks cheap when your the only one with a gun.

        Enjoy your COD wont you the mechanic.

        doug

        August 25, 2016 at 8:10 pm

      • 😀

        Sniper

        August 25, 2016 at 10:03 pm

  34. DWP Provider Guidance:

    Compliance with Data Protection Act and Information Disclosure

    The contractor must ensure that there are adequate arrangements in place for collecting, processing and sharing customer information.

    It is important to remind a customer of the DWP confidentiality statement which they signed when they first made a claim to benefit. However, a customer’s signature does not constitute “consent” at all and does not eanble any sort of data sharing or disclosure. It simply provides a degree of reassurance that the DWP will handle personal data fairly and lawfully.

    There is no specific “legislative enabler” which gives a provider the ability to gather or share customer’s information with a third-party, for example an employer or another training provider, for the purpose of
    placing the customer into training/work and obtaining outcome related payments from the DWP. The informed consent of the individual must be obtained beforehand, in line with the requirements of the Data Protection Act.

    The information disclosure consent form* must, as a minimum contain the following information:

    – what customer’s information your organisation will collect;

    – why the organisation needs the information, for example for the purpose of recording the numbers of customers placed into training and/or employment, monitoring the effectiveness of the service and reporting outcomes to DWP and claiming associated payments;

    – how the information will be stored;

    – when and why the information will be shared with a third-party, for example an employer will be contacted when the customer starts work within so many weeks of leaving provision for the purpose of employment so that a job outcome payment can be obtained from the DWP.

    Your organisation needs to made it clear to customers that giving consent is voluntary and that refusal to give consent or withdrawal of an existing consent will not effect any benefit they may be entitled to.

    Authorisation to contact an employer to obtain evidence of employment must be expressly stated by the Provider before any information dislosure takes place. Renewal of consents needs to be confirmed at every intervention.

    *Data Protection Act Waiver

    ICO

    August 25, 2016 at 10:11 am

    • ICO

      Really? So I’d like an explantion as to why the particular WP “Pigs Snout in the trough” provider in my case insists the following: You must sign (recorded), the onus shifts from them to you in the rubbish you sign [yes I still have copies – will request another version which I am sure is unchanged despite me pointing out way back when that it breaks the ICO legislation] and the provider is the same legally as a Government department despite any enabling legislation passing through parliment to grant said powers. And yes I have seen such legilsation.

      Strangely when I fronted them they backed off when I indicated police might become involved.

      Strange that…

      Gazza

      August 25, 2016 at 12:47 pm

      • ‘Providers’ will tell you any old bollox to get you to sign/fill in their ‘paperwork’: “The Jobcentre won’t be able to pay you *lying through teeth 😀 *, “We won’t be able to pay your travel expenses *lying through teeth 😀 *, “If you don’t sign/fill in the forms that will be seem as ‘on-participating’ and you will be sanctioned *lying through teeth 😀 *”, even down to lying to the Jobcentre that you never attended in the first place. Record/photograph everything when dealing with these shify, lie-through-their-teeth, ‘provider’ bastards!

        Snakey

        August 25, 2016 at 2:29 pm

      • * ‘non-participating’

        Snakey

        August 25, 2016 at 2:30 pm

      • And the classic: “It’s mandatory * lies through teeth 😀 *They even sink as low as to illegally print the ‘DWP’ logo on their ‘paperwork’ to give it that extra ‘gravitas’ so as to persuade, encourage and cajole you to sign as you think: “Well, it from the Jobcentre, I will have to sign/fill this in.” Well, you don’t! “MANDATORY – DWP” – bollox!

        Snakey

        August 25, 2016 at 2:36 pm

      • If you all flick way way back on this very site this topic was covered at the very least 5 years ago so if claimants are unaware of it then they only have themselves to blame.

        They cant insist and you cant even if DWP instigate a sanction do so under non participation as it requires your legal consent which under the definition of law CANNOT be gained through FORCE,THREAT or DECEPTION.

        You see no matter what DWP attempt to say the provider remains in definition of law a third party meaning if they wish to become second, they need your lawful consent in the same manner DWP gained it. As for getting the police involved, pure hog wash as its not a criminal offense it civil and classed as a breach of regulation. If you have a breach you report it ICO and these days you go to their website and report or if changed email them which was the case the last time i did it against DWP. ICO will investigate and if a solid case presents itself ICO will order the ACCUSED to do what they dictate and in some cases a fine. If people want their pound of flesh then on the strength of ICOs results in such clear cut cases one could seek legal civil redress but that my people is going to cost you more than your Giro.

        doug

        August 25, 2016 at 4:54 pm

  35. Huge built-in delays in the processing of universal credit benefit claims have turned the government’s flagship welfare reform into a “recruiting sergeant for food banks”, according to Labour MP Frank Field.

    Field has written to the work and pensions secretary, Damian Green, asking him to cut the lengthy and stressful wait for payments faced by penniless claimants.

    “This is an unbelievably long time for people at the bottom to survive with no money, and I have received evidence to suggest people have been exposed to hunger and homelessness during this 42-day period,” he wrote.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/aug/24/universal-credit-delays-forcing-people-to-food-banks-says-mp

    enigma

    August 25, 2016 at 6:57 pm

    • Just UC, yeh right, i signed on for JSA and its taken them 1 month and 3 days to pay me and even then its been one error after another like it took them 2 weeks to see me for my first interview, i still don’t have a regular advisor, the first advisor i did see miss booked me and DWP cut me off last week as he dated i should attend this Monday.

      Now i don’t know if its disgruntled workers but its been a dogs dinner thus far so i dare not think what poor UC claimants are going through. Oh my last working contract, engineers were so skint the boss use to pay us weekly and that was what went on not just in our company but many a contractors company so im not so sure monthly payments are the norm anymore but their again i don’t fill shelves or mop floors yet so who knows.

      If it wasn’t for the fact i work all over the UK so get an expenses handout to pay for hotel and dinner only, i would have never made the day let alone my first week and as anyone that does that type of work will tell you, working away is expensive so your wages disappear really quick.

      doug

      August 25, 2016 at 8:37 pm

    • I’ve just taken a part-time job with a company that uses a lot of casual labour which pays it’s workforce – all of its workforce! Including managers and clerical staff! – on a weekly basis. This is because a lot of the staff don’t work for the company for long, some staff only working for a few days now and again depending upon the company’s pressure of work. A lot don’t remain on the payroll for as long as a month. So this crap about Universal Credit “mirroring the word of work” where everybody who has lost their job has a month’s salary in their pockets before having to claim Universal Credit is bollocks. Millions of people are on piece work, zero hour contracts, weekly or even daily wages paid in hand and for them a six week wait before they can get access to Universal Credit – which, don’t forget, includes housing benefit, meaning that your landlord won’t get their rent until you get your first UC payment forcing you to fall into into permanent arrears unless you can pay your rent yourself from savings – will be agonising. Being on UC means that 65% of whatever I earn will get stripped from my current Universal Credit entitlement meaning that I will remain too poor to get off UC completely, will remain on UC for the foreseeable future, and therefore won’t have to reclaim. For people with no savings who have been on weekly wages, or similar, claiming UC for the first time will be hellish. And sadly it will be people in insecure and low paid employment who WILL be forced to claim Universal Credit in order to survive in an unpredictable world of minimum wage insecure work.

      What kind of a responsible government could have done something this stupid and pernicious.

      As more and more people end up on UC its inherent nastiness and maliciousness will be unignorable.

      It will be interesting to see how long a crap government can defend such a completely crap policy,

      Tim

      August 26, 2016 at 8:13 am

      • Ahh, how you forget Tim how NLW increases will push quite a reasonable number claiming tax credit and housing of the stats and thus giving the appearance that its working when all that means for those workers is having do redress while suffering in silence juggling heat light and food.

        Those under the 30 hours who don’t have kids working part time will be at constant odds of watching their hard earned labour cancel out what benefits they do get yet remain forever under the condition of looking for work or face sanction of their housing benefit what with their earnings already having cancelled out their unemployed benefit first. They will see no difference between being unemployed and employed, trapped in a revolving door, trading UC conditions for employer conditions (you will make 30 things an hour,clean that room in 10 minutes or else) with the bodies that be claiming its just business, its nothing personal.

        Well why would it be personal, neither know or care you exist beyond the burden you may cause them.

        At least under the old system if you had a part time job you could claim housing only without strings and thus at the very least allowing a portion of your life to be truly yours and yours alone or put another way, “finding peace in solitude” that’s yours to control rather than being consigned to.

        1984 has arrived, George Orwell has been vindicated.

        doug

        August 26, 2016 at 9:53 am

      • Oh i almost forgot dont forget the working time directive were it needs your legal consent to opt out of 38 hours only as face it this government is advocating you earn more, for a min wage person, that means working 50 plus hours a week and it makes no difference if by 2020 you get £9 an hour as once costs rise, that £9 will still be £6.70 or should i say less. Yep more smoke and mirrors yet government this time get a whole stack of money off the low paid in taxes and NI.

        Now where have i heard of this hold twenty jobs working 60 hours before, oh that’s right, the good old U.S.A. just like academy schools or as America calls them, charter schools.

        I don’t know about you but these practices echoing all over the western world smack of the framework for one world governance.

        Like i was never going to connect the dots because you thought i was too dumb to notice if you randomly introduce American practices out of sync all over the west that i wouldn’t notice, shame on you politicians for having so less faith in me academically.

        Like i said people, Corporate America is the systemic disease effecting the whole globe so wake up as North Korea, Russia, Iran even China aren’t the real threat that faces us all.

        doug

        August 26, 2016 at 1:56 pm

      • What they tell you about being better off if you work a certain amount under Universal Credit is nonsense too. Because my council tax will go up when I’m working part-time, basically, I’ll be about £20 to £25 per week better off working for 27.5 hours a week, in the evenings, after my UC and housing benefit entitlements get reduced. Not much of an incentive to get off benefits and do what work becomes available to you. My UC is suspended at the moment until I tell the DWP my employer’s PAYE number, which should be on my first payslip I’ve been told, for the DWP to find out if monthly details of my earnings can be accessed from HRMC to enable them to work out what my UC should be on a monthly basis; if the HRMC real-time system can’t take up the slack I’ve got to phone up with the details of my earnings monthly myself.

        (I suppose if I supply the financial data required the DWP checks it in some other fashion.)

        People who are still claiming that Universal Credit is a simplification of the benefits system and a cure for poverty need their heads examining. What really happens is that UC front-loads a whole new raft of things that the individual claimant has to do to retain his/her entitlements.

        Tim

        August 26, 2016 at 3:33 pm

  36. Councils ‘should monitor academy cash’

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-37190840

    What was i saying about charter school scandals in the USA and how our academies will echo this ?

    The public need to learn every politician (maybe not Corbyn, juries out currently and leaning heavily towards socialist) is a capitalist so will always seek to privatize for profit because its in their blood and why its their answer to everything.

    Never more since Tony Blair has the line between Conservative and Labour been so blurred and people like say Owen Smith, Andy Burnham. Shadiq Khan, Margret Beckett, Margret Hodges, Harriet Harman, Yvette Cooper to name but a few will only serve to kick more sand over it.

    doug

    August 26, 2016 at 7:25 am

  37. Under-18 terror detainments triple in two years

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37185820

    Government really don’t get it do they but why would they when they’ve never been or attempted to be robbed at knife point to coin a but one form of attack most public face on a regular basis, or become homeless, long term unemployed, paid crappy wages and have fast diminishing career prospects as the degree becomes as common as dog muck and thus for high skilled labour, pushes down their wages as their forced to compete just like semi and non skilled labour currently endures because employers arent struggling to hire so they become less important than profit.

    These kids wont simply stop feeling the way they do as when your disillusioned, when you feel disowned, you simply don’t grow out of it like government would have us believe. Instead they get their A’s, they go to university and study courses like chemistry,biology and engineering.

    If we put aside the fact that now taxpayers have to pay more to have these teens watched for the rest of their lives, stopping them at the airport wont stop them possibly launching internal attacks like precisely what you see is happening in France, and unfolded recently with yet another attempted attack on a British soldier off the clock. You only have to understand sleeper cells to know as one taliban said, “you may have the clocks but we have the time” to know the problem simply wont go away by tough government talk, talk remember by people with how much security around them.

    I cant remember who said it but they said, “politicians cant think beyond the short term, cant think beyond 5 years”.

    doug

    August 26, 2016 at 8:06 am

  38. ‘Legal highs’ removed from more than 300 shops since ban

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37185996

    Now i can only speak for mine and neighboring shires but legal highs are still as rife as they were when in the shops so can only confirm all this law did was push it underground and now harder for police to detect.

    Cannabis never started out life in shops, yet still got very successfully, casual and curious drug users and became one of the most prolific drugs globally ever.

    We already know the war on drugs was lost, not just here but globally, consuming taxpayer money in vain.

    What your or should i say police are seeing is the calm before the storm. This will be short lived.

    I know it costs a family a kid, but stories of a child dying of drugs, actually has a far better effect at preventing casual and curious people than any law ever will.

    doug

    August 26, 2016 at 8:19 am

  39. Camber Sands deaths: Family anger over safety measures

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-37191585

    What a whole lot of something over nothing. Now anyone old enough will remember will recall us Brits going to the seaside use to be a very common stable diet of British holidaying rather than today’s generations jumping on a plane every five seconds so knew the dangers of what could occur on a coast line.

    Im sorry for the families but their ignorance is not our problem and its offensive for media to run this article.

    I was born and bread in London and places like Camber sands to places like Brighton to name but 2 was a very popular choice for us southerners back then and we all knew how dangerous camber sands was at certain tidal times at certain places so this latest tragedy and last months isn’t through a lack of authority action but and i don’t mean this in any racist way, the families ethnicity along with being a generation that was never apart of the British holidaying culture back in the day so was unaware but could have been informed if they had made the effort to be.

    Im very sorry for this families loss, i am but they need to learn any country cant go around holding everyone’s hands and that theirs a point you have to take responsibility for yourself as this isnt a random knife attack, its an act of carelessness on the part of the individuals.

    doug

    August 26, 2016 at 8:49 am

    • I think we all know just how quickly the tide can rise. It’s actually quite frightening in a way to watch your sandcastle succumbing to the rising tide.

      The Beachcombers

      August 26, 2016 at 10:23 am

  40. Councillor Richard Smalley jailed for lying about address

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-37163419

    I don’t think he should have got jail, he should have got medical mental health support as when does a Tory never not lie, their all compulsive/pathological liars or sociopath’s.

    Oh, no, wait, damn, they cut that support, sorry Smalley, off to jail you go, the new support area for mental health,homelessness and according to the rise in aged prisoners, a retirement home.

    That’s good isn’t it, lets put the most vulnerable with our most violent, it wont work but look on the bright side, we can save money on the use of V’s, got to count for something right ?

    doug

    August 26, 2016 at 10:12 am

  41. Tweets for twat

    This morning on the BBCs program Victoria Derbyshire, they were discussing racial profiling in the UK and this class tweet came in by what i can only describe as an utter twat.

    This tweet said words to the effect of, “if racial profiling keeps us safe then i support”. these weren’t the actual words but this is precisely what they implied. I would put the actual words but BBC iplayer haven’t uploaded it yet otherwise i would.

    OK, my turn

    Well terrorists racially profile white people as Christians meaning this tweeter twat supports that as well.

    Now i would imagine if i could have spoken to this tweeter, they would say “that’s not what i mean”, to which i would have replied “so your saying its ok for us to use but not the terrorist”. Naturally they say “yes” followed by, “your just trying to twist what i said”.

    Well twist your way out of this tweeter,

    If racial profiling proves anything, it proves it ensnares far to many innocent people than it does the not so innocent”, nothing more, nothing less.

    So lets have this stupid blanket approach because real work costs and is just to labour intensive to want to find a proper solution like say, i don’t know, stop selling arms to the Saudis, stop instigating trouble in the east to topple regimes so we can steal their assets.

    Like the recent U.S military leak of drone strikes kill more innocent people than terrorists.

    So lets harass,maim,kill innocent people as whats it matter if we kill a 1000 innocent people, we still have a 1% chance that maybe theirs a terrorist among them.

    Is it any wonder why the world is what it is with most humans only capable of thinking no further than their nose.

    doug

    August 26, 2016 at 10:42 am

  42. doug

    August 26, 2016 at 11:02 am

  43. UPDATE ON CLAIMANT SANCTIONED FOR WORKING #########################

    Well Mr Andrew Dutton of the Derbyshire Welfare Rights Service was busy yesterday and my time limited to so it wasn’t until half an hour a go we finally spoke to each other.

    Well the claimants family actually took the tact to contact their local Councillor whose aids have started to chase it up. Sadly and in poor form however DWP/JCP have refused to talk to them on the grounds they failed some sort of security question. Naturally most aggrieved the Councillor took the mantle directly and pursued it. Currently as i was informed despite the obvious prestige of being a Councillor, the runaround mantra continues as the councillor gets denied access after access to the people in a position to take a long hard look at this oh so obvious malpractice case.

    I intend to stay in contact with Mr Dutton and rightnets to see how this case moves forward so will update you not that maybe it wont be declared on rightsnet itself of how it all ended.

    Well its the weekend closing in so stay safe, stay warm and may you all i hope have a pleasant bank holiday Monday.

    Oh – if you know anyone sanctioned this week, find them Monday and buy them a some food and a pint.

    peace.

    doug

    August 26, 2016 at 1:20 pm

    • doug

      you should point out to Mr Dutton that he might want to advise the family to keep the Equality Commission informed of this case, seeing as they are running a year long in-depth investigation into guess what… sanctions at the moment! DWP has just won the bo bo prize methinks [Mrs Garcia, Me when I can and now this poor person]. I wonder how DWP would react then? Ignore them? That might not be wise course of action methinks.

      IT appears DWP is panicking, one has to wonder is there anything else going on in that office we are not aware of I wonder…

      Have a good one everyone.

      Gazza

      August 26, 2016 at 4:42 pm

  44. UN blames UK politicians for Brexit hate crime spike.

    A UK government spokeswoman said the UK had “one of the strongest legislative frameworks in the world to protect communities from hostility, violence and bigotry”.

    “We keep it under review to ensure it remains effective and appropriate – and recently published a comprehensive new Hate Crime Action Plan to drive forward the fight,” she said.

    really, why the hate crime against the unemployed & disabled.

    The report also criticised plans to replace the Human Rights Act of 1998 with a new British Bill of Rights, warning that it could lead to “decreased levels of human rights protection”.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37193140

    enigma

    August 26, 2016 at 6:07 pm

  45. It’s nothing but bad news we see, one after the other. .

    Nearly a quarter of a million children from poor families will be hit by the extended household benefit cap due to be introduced this autumn, according to the government’s latest analysis of the impact of the policy.

    The new cap will take an average of £60 a week out of the incomes of affected households, almost certainly pushing them deeper into poverty. About 61% of those affected will be female lone parents.

    Lone parents I seen many of in the local JC, all soon to start work in Butlins, on zero hour.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/aug/26/lower-benefit-cap-to-hit-quarter-of-a-million-poor-children

    enigma

    August 26, 2016 at 9:59 pm

    • The deputy president of the supreme court, Lady Hale, said in her judgment: “Claimants affected by the cap will, by definition, not receive the sums of money which the state deems necessary for them adequately to house, feed, clothe and warm themselves and their children.”

      enigma

      August 26, 2016 at 10:05 pm

  46. A plan which promises to put fairness “at the heart” of a drive to develop a skilled workplace has been launched by the Scottish government.

    The Scottish Greens said too many people were “stuck in jobs that are badly paid and insecure”.

    Co-convenor Patrick Harvie added: “It’s welcome to see the Scottish government talking about replacing the Work Programme and Work Choices schemes that will be devolved next year but it remains a concern that they have not committed to adopting our proposal to block the DWP from continuing to apply benefit sanctions, which cause hardship, harm people’s health and set back their journey into employment.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37196050

    enigma

    August 26, 2016 at 10:30 pm

  47. Transparency & Difficult truths.

    Theresa May launches race audit of public services.

    Prime Minister Theresa May has ordered a review into how ethnic minorities and white working class people are treated by public services such as the NHS, schools, police and the courts.

    The information, which will be published within a year and updated annually after that, will cover health, education, employment, welfare, skills and criminal justice.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37194207

    enigma

    August 27, 2016 at 2:09 am

    • enigma

      people in Gov have been talking and evidence is mounting of systemic failures [no I have no hard evidence of that claim but its what I would expect] – cue the Equality Commission year long enquiry, let alone the UN enquiry, I would not be surprised to learn Welsh/NI/Scottish are carrying out their own quite investigations, or its emerged press is digging as well for that matter, I would also point out GidIdiots try to sabotage the Equality Comission by imposing 50Mil of cuts in late May, you know after all budgets were agreed in Feb/March, about the time EC would have told the Prime Ministers Office of the planned investigation into DWP, Strange That… – and she is trying to head off the shit storm that is coming.

      Gazza

      August 27, 2016 at 10:57 am

      • “systemic failures” i some how think not as the tapestry is weaved far to tight to be anything but deliberate.

        doug

        August 27, 2016 at 6:51 pm

  48. WhatsApp and Facebook data sharing plan being investigated.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37198445

    enigma

    August 27, 2016 at 2:22 am

  49. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don’t need.

    – Tyler Durden, Fight Club

    Tyler Durden

    August 27, 2016 at 8:20 am

  50. OT

    A fascist system of dictates designed to control every single act of all individuals.

    Interesting quote.

    What is it describing? Anyone care to comment?

    Head in the Sand

    August 27, 2016 at 8:55 am

    • Yeah, well, that’s the DWP for you 😀

      Ostrich

      August 27, 2016 at 9:08 am

      • Good try Ostrich – it’s what I thought myself for a moment. It would certainly be a very good description of the modern DWP with the “nudge unit” and CBT etc!

        But you’re wrong! I’ll wait to see if anyone else comes on with the right answer, before I reveal all!

        Head in the Sand

        August 27, 2016 at 9:58 am

      • Doh! 😦

        Ostrich

        August 27, 2016 at 12:04 pm

    • Sliced bread?

      Hovis

      August 27, 2016 at 10:40 am

    • Globalism, head in the sand.

      doug

      August 27, 2016 at 10:57 am

      • Is it destined to lose?

        enigma

        August 27, 2016 at 11:11 am

    • Advertising.

      AntonZ

      August 27, 2016 at 11:01 am

      • While you state what you deed extremely well, faultless even, the next chapter of evolution always gets sidelined.
        Moderate is a word, a meaningless word and quite frankly spoken from some westerner who and im being kind when i say this, i suspect hardly knowledgeable in the topic, blinded by their own agenda, deliberate as that may be.

        People forget the concept of fracture and mutate or more commonly put, divide and multiple exponentially. You see we can talk politics, religion, economics, whatever you like, it matters not as eventually a part will differ, will separate and so give birth to another even if it remains in the same body. this systemic pattern will eventually multiple and so on and so on and so on.

        Blue blood attitudes benign or otherwise, never last, never come to true fruition and you will witness this again when a consolidated and finalized caliphate does not appear anymore than the UK will become all British.

        The natural order of things simply makes no allowance for stagnation or repetitiveness where forward motion is denied. For man is man and religion an idea, based upon circumstance and relative perspective when uttered. Their are no facts, just meta theories.

        doug

        August 27, 2016 at 3:09 pm

    • New World Order?

      Conspiracy Theory

      August 27, 2016 at 12:07 pm

    • Lawyers?

      “How are you planning to take over the world?”

      The Devil: “Lawyers😀 ””

      — The Devil’s Advocate

      The Devil's Advocate

      August 27, 2016 at 12:10 pm

  51. Invention of capital-driven/market economy?

    shirleynott

    August 27, 2016 at 10:34 am

  52. OT: Private Police forces & the dangers thereof [American Example]

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ferguson-police-force_us_57bdc0f5e4b0287a6e730f7d?

    I have for years tried to explain to people the inherent dangers of a private police force, and funding for same via fines.

    This article concentrating on the city where the riots broke out after the shooting of yet another black person illustrates the blatant and also subtly of the dangers.

    Population mostly black and poor, yet same population is fined to fund the police force [yes, the funding of your own oppressors is heavy here], and also being criminalised by same and sent to the even poorer poor house – even if you’re poor already. And the icing on the cake is the fines also funds the bonuses for those who came up with this scheme.

    It was only AFTER the killing that the FBI stepped in and in investigating the whole police structure found this targeted rotten scheme.

    I can think of no way – considering how companies are protected from disclosure – how if private/governmental polices forces would be exposed here in the UK if they did this.

    Gazza

    August 27, 2016 at 10:48 am

    • But the police are effectively the biggest gang in town – they represent of power and authority of the State. Once they are not longer under the auspices of the State and are merely a rag-tag bunch of ex-Jobcentre G4$ goons running around that that ‘authority’ is diminished, diluted and ultimately lost. They just become another common or garden gang and In those circumstance the populace is more likely to fight back. Look at what happens in the States when you up the ante – A ‘routine traffic stop’ commonly becomes a shoot-out! They gun the cops down over there without batting an eye-lid. Sweet justice some may say since the cops have been gunning down citizens over there for years – and getting away with it. Ditto the UK!

      ACAB

      August 27, 2016 at 12:24 pm

      • You could have said its the my guns bigger than you fallout effect whereby if indeed your gun is, i will still go off and get a bigger one if i hold my stance as you do yours.

        As for ditto, anyone remember Stephen Waldorf so lt’s not as new a thing as people think in this country.

        doug

        August 27, 2016 at 5:46 pm

  53. “How are you planning to take over the world?”

    The Devil: “Lawyers 😀 ”

    — The Devil’s Advocate

    The Devil's Advocate

    August 27, 2016 at 12:09 pm

  54. This Blog has an anti-racist policy.

    All racist posts about Muslims will be trashed.

    Andrew Coates

    August 27, 2016 at 3:46 pm

  55. Few people know that the number of financial penalties (‘sanctions’) imposed on benefit claimants by the Department of Work and Pensions now exceeds the number of fines imposed by the courts. In Great Britain in 2013, there were 1,046,398 sanctions on Jobseeker’s Allowance claimants, 32,128 on Employment and Support Allowance claimants, and approximately 44,000 on lone parent recipients of Income Support. By contrast, Magistrates’ and Sheriff courts imposed a total of only 849,000 fines.

    Sanctioned benefit claimants are treated much worse than those fined in the courts. The scale of penalties is more severe (£286.80 – £11,185.20 compared to £200 – £10,000). Most sanctions are applied to poor people and involve total loss of benefit income. Although there is a system of discretionary ‘hardship payments’, claimants are often reduced to hunger and destitution by the ban on application for the first two weeks and by lack of information about the payments and the complexity of the application process. The hardship payment system itself is designed to clean people out of resources; all savings or other sources of assistance must be used up before help is given.

    Decisions on guilt are made in secret by officials who have no independent responsibility to act lawfully; since the Social Security Act 1998 they have been mere agents of the Secretary of State. These officials are currently subject to constant management pressure to maximise penalties, and as in any secret system there is a lot of error, misconduct, dishonesty and abuse. The claimant is not present when the decision on guilt is made and is not legally represented. While offenders processed in the court system cannot be punished before a hearing, and if fined are given time to pay, the claimant’s punishment is applied immediately. Unlike a magistrate or sheriff, the official deciding the case does not vary the penalty in the light of its likely impact on them or their family. If the claimant gets a hearing (and even before the new system of ‘Mandatory Reconsideration’ only 3 per cent of sanctioned claimants were doing so), then it is months later, when the damage has been done. ‘Mandatory reconsideration’, introduced in October 2013, denies access to an independent Tribunal until the claimant has been rung up at home twice and forced to discuss their case with a DWP official in the absence of any adviser – a system which is open to abuse and has caused a collapse in cases going to Tribunal.

    Yet the ‘transgressions’ (DWP’s own word) which are punished by this system are almost exclusively very minor matters, such as missing a single interview with a Jobcentre or Work Programme contractor, or not making quite as many token job applications as the Jobcentre adviser demands.

    How did we get to this situation? Until the later 1980s, the social security system saw very little use of anything that could be called a sanction. Unemployment benefits were seen as part of an insurance scheme, with insurance-style conditions. Any decision on ‘disqualification’ (as it was called) from unemployment benefit was made by an independent Adjudication Service, with unrestricted right of appeal to an independent Tribunal. The maximum disqualification was 6 weeks, and those disqualified had a right to a reduced rate of Supplementary Benefit assessed on the normal rules.

    ‘Sanctions’ are almost entirely a development of the last 25 years. The British political class has come to believe that benefit claimants must be punished to make them look for work in ways the state thinks are a good idea. Yet the evidence to justify this does not exist. A handful of academic papers, mostly from overseas regimes with milder sanctions, suggest that sanctions may produce small positive effects on employment. But other research shows that their main effect is to drive people off benefits but not into work, and that where they do raise employment, they push people into low quality, unsustainable jobs. This research, and a torrent of evidence from Britain’s voluntary sector, also shows a wide range of adverse effects. Sanctions undermine physical and mental health, cause hardship for family and friends, damage relationships, create homelessness and drive people to Food Banks and payday lenders, and to crime. They also often make it harder to look for work. Taking these negatives into account, they cannot be justified.

    Benefit sanctions are an amateurish, secret penal system which is more severe than the mainstream judicial system, but lacks its safeguards. It is time for everyone concerned for the rights of the citizen to demand their abolition.

    COJ

    August 28, 2016 at 7:58 am

    • Theirs a new post to this website so i urge you to repost this piece COJ on their as well as people visiting this website tend to gravitate towards whats currently running.

      doug

      August 28, 2016 at 9:45 am


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