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The Human Face of Austerity.

Government austerity to blame for 30% rise in homelessness, says parliamentary committee,

Reports the Independent.

MPs warn that the number of homeless people is rising because most housing benefit claimants have to pay rent out of their state payments, rather than it being straight to their landlords

The Government’s welfare reforms are driving up homelessness, according to MPs who conducted the first inquiry into the scale of the problem for 10 years.

In a report, the Communities and Local Government Select Committee found that official figures underestimate the risen in homelessness and demanded urgent action to tackle it. The estimated number of rough sleepers in England rose by 30 per cent to 3,569 between 2014 and last autumn – a quarter of them in London.

This will come as no surprise to anybody with eyes.

Walk around Ipswich and you can see the numbers of people begging in the streets: it is striking.

In London you can see people sleeping rough, right up such Tourist centres as Trafalgar Square, and by the West End theatres in Cambridge Circus – not coincidentally next to the site of one of Victorian London’s worst ‘rookeries’, that is, slums.

The MPs warned that the number of homeless people is rising because most housing benefit claimants have to pay rent out of their state payments. They said all claimants should have the option of their rent  being paid directly to landlords to reduce their chance of getting into arrears and to encourage landlords to rent to tenants at risk of becoming homeless. Many 18 to 21 year-olds are “at significant risk” of homelessness, and the MPs proposed that those losing their job should have a “grace period” of one or two months before losing the housing element of Universal Credit.

Calling for greater financial incentives to work, they said: “It cannot be right that someone must choose between the support they need and employment.”

The committee concluded: “The impact of the welfare reforms of recent years has increased pressure on levels of homelessness.” It added that  the annual cap on benefit payments to one family – £20,000 and £23,000 in London – could worsen the  problem.

The MPs called for women, single people and those with mental health problems to be given extra help. They heard evidence that women were driven into prostitution to avoid sleeping on the streets and said  victims of domestic violence were particularly at risk of becoming homeless.

The committee took the unusual step of endorsing a Private Member’s Bill to be debated in the Commons in October which would give councils new duties to prevent homelessness and help homeless people.

This was also entirely predictable, given the mean-spirited intention behind the ‘reform’.

In a separate report, the Tory modernisers’ think tank Policy Exchange said jobless people aged 25 and under are more likely to have their benefits stopped or reduced for not doing enough to find work than any other age group. It found that young adults account for more than a third of benefit sanctions but account for less than a fifth of claims for Jobseeker’s Allowance. Of the 101,640 young people claiming it last November, 5,812 received a sanction.

Policy Exchange called for a shake-up of benefits and support for 16 to 25 year-olds, including the creation of youth employment centres.

Homeless too often given ‘meaningless advice’ by councils – MPs.

Reports the BBC.

Homeless people are too often given meaningless and ineffectual advice by councils in England, MPs have said.

A Communities and Local Government Select Committee report found homeless people are too often “badly treated” by councils, saying they should have a legal duty to give meaningful support.

Homelessness is increasing and a new government plan is required, MPs added.

However, councils said they needed more money and powers, saying they “cannot tackle this challenge alone”.

The report urged the government to support the Homelessness Reduction Bill – proposed by the Conservative MP Bob Blackman in June – to impose tougher conditions on councils and force them to offer emergency accommodation for up to two months.

Official figures published by the government show that local authorities approved 14,780 households’ applications for homelessness assistance between 1 January and 30 March 2016.

This was up 9% on the same quarter in 2015.

However, the report warned that the statistics did not capture the full scale of homelessness, for example many “hidden homeless” who may be staying with friends or not have sought help.

If they had any decency they would listen to people like Doug, commenting on this Blog.

2 months emergency housing, how did they come up with that exactly as what do they feel will happen after. Are these homeless people going to magically find a property to rent in that 2 months that they couldn’t find before. Do government or even the public believe that the homeless have never looked and tried to secure a property.

And what about DWP and conditionality on the homeless, their expected to look for work or face being sanctioned which is counter intuitive when you consider besides the big issue, no employer will hire a homeless person. DWP know this only to well unless they want to assert every single DWP worker right up to the appointed minister are complete and utter idiots ill placed in the position they are in.

We only have to look at the way UC was developed to sanction housing benefit to know tory government intent and how when even applying for unemployment benefit, your instantly faced with a screen demanding i quote, ” an address you reside at”, which if you haven’t one, you can’t proceed with the claim and its been this way since it was first released and has been mentioned numerous time to DWP not that really it isn’t glaringly obvious from the get go. For the record they don’t even confront homelessness till further into the application and if that wasn’t bad enough, later on it asks for a phone number and again wont allow the person to proceed with the application for benefits if they don’t own a phone and this one gets me, DWP staff have absolutely no answer to it and at best could only if they did and I’m not saying they do, incite the person to add a fraudulently number and then ring DWP to give a change of details.

Now according to the dictionary vulnerable means – exposed to the possibility of being attacked or harmed, either physically or emotionally yet DWP and local council have their own definition and this has been going on for at least a decade, that somehow, if you’re a certain age and of a certain health that your be perfectly ok living on the streets. DWP even expanded this to instruct public service staff NOT to treat people with certain mental illnesses like schizophrenia for example as VULNERABLE.

I’ve witnessed up and down the country, many a homeless person deliberately breaking the law just so they can get a temporary roof over their head and food in the mouth, especially in the depths of winter around Christmas. The amount of mentally ill prisoners is also quite alarming.

Now i and others have said from day one of these welfare reforms that their would be a knock on as people simply don’t lie down and die and will lead to an increase in costs towards the NHS and law enforcement and criminal retention so oh what a surprize certain ministers are now using it to justify change. Constantly others and i have demonstrated how being in prison despite the violence (statistically your odds of being attacked on the street are higher) is easier than being under conditionality, where a murder, a rapist, even a terrorist gets food and a bed no matter the horrible details of their crime yet raise your voice at a DWP staff member, not fulfil your conditions by a mm and WHAM, all monies are suspended.

A week in prison costs the taxpayer £538 a week, a massive 7 times more than the £74 a person gets claiming unemployment. Malnutrition and the illnesses it causes aren’t any cheaper and the recent revelation that a lot of homeless people develop addictions after going onto the streets and not before as previously believed. Add to that being regularly attacked by the public at night and you can easily imagine the financial burden placed on the NHS.

Oh for the record its not strictly 2 months housing, its actually UPTO meaning it could well mean a week or even possibly less, who knows at this juncture. What’s being prescribed is clearly manufactured by people who don’t understand the problems of being homeless in today’s UK as they actually believe by giving a person a house for 2 months (said on ann derbyshire) that magically they will find another, so we are now back where i started and that’s my whole point,

When you’re homeless all you ever do is get the run around only to end up where you started.

And they would also listen to Enigma:

35.When we asked Giles Peaker, Chair of the Housing Law Practitioners Association, what the future of homelessness would be if no action was taken, he was unequivocal:

Will it get worse? Yes. Will it get worse faster? Yes. That is already happening, and is just going to continue … One thing that could be done is to stop making it worse. That is the simple answer. There are some immediate triggers facing us … The roll-out of the reduced benefit cap is going to have a fairly dramatic effect across the country, whereas the first £26,000 one basically affected London. £23,000 and £20,000 outside of London is going to have a dramatic national effect, really taking large swathes of public sector tenancies out of affordability for families in that situation. If the rents continue to increase whilst there is the LHA freeze, without wishing to be overly melodramatic, we are heading towards a serious crisis.48


Any person with a shred of decency who  listened to the Dougs and the Enigmas of this world would be boiling with anger.


Written by Andrew Coates

August 18, 2016 at 3:19 pm

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  1. The founder of a high-profile Glasgow foodbank has been charged with fraud.

    Julie Webster, 40, was arrested by police on Monday after a lengthy investigation into the Greater Maryhill Foodbank, which closed in March.

    She has been charged with fraudulent activity involving a four-figure sum of money.

    Last year, the foodbank received £15,000 in donations after money collected to help a girl injured in a hit-and-run incident was stolen.

    The donations included £5,000 each from comedian Frankie Boyle and the Scottish government.
    Glasgow City Council and the Scottish government later withdrew funding for the foodbank after investigations into its activities were launched, with schools in the city told not to support it.

    A spokesman for Police Scotland confirmed: “On 16 August 2016, a 40-year-old woman was charged in connection with alleged fraud offences. A report will be sent to the procurator fiscal.”

    Greater Maryhill Foodbank founder charged with fraud

    Breaking News

    August 18, 2016 at 3:33 pm

    • Sorry to spoil your news breaking news but,


      Maybe next time your tell the whole story WHICH I URGE EVERYONE TO READ.

      If you have a facebook account and time, heres the foodbanks facebook account


      It all seems very similar to that thing that went off in london when as soon as the woman who founded it become quite a high figure in the public eye carrying quite a bit of juice, got a whole load of money from government, got accused of a similar crime, had the government take back the money all based on a so called whistle blower and WHAM it closes down.

      I cant remember the woman’s name but remember shes forgive me quite portly but most of all wears clothes that look very colorful and African in design i think. Didn’t the charges turn out to be nothing ?


      August 18, 2016 at 6:14 pm

      • Sorry took a while to get the grey matter going but it was the Kids Company in London founded by Ms Batmanghelidjh

        The police investigation into sexual abuse, drug abuse and other things at the kids company came to nothing when police decided their was insufficient evidence to push forward a charge. As for the Charity Commissions conclusions on mismanagement, all that happened was they drafted up a document on lesson learnt which was more about how government wanted charities to run rather than let them continue to self manage. In short they couldn’t find one thing to really throw at the kids company apart from some quibbles about the trustees and even then i allowed the story no traction for a return to the papers.

        How was it started, oh look in surprize, by one politician in working for the now tories, Hmmm, sounds similar, i wonder how the maryhill foodbank charge will turnout ?


        August 18, 2016 at 7:30 pm

  2. £500 to keep someone locked up in a police cell for up to 24 hours… 😉

    Police Interceptors

    August 18, 2016 at 3:53 pm

  3. Small private charities are rife with this kind of thing.

    It’s one of the reasons why they created the Welfare State.

    Apart that is, from having to doff your cap to get food and shelter.

    Andrew Coates

    August 18, 2016 at 3:56 pm

  4. Reblogged this on sdbast.


    August 18, 2016 at 3:59 pm

  5. Andrew Coates

    August 18, 2016 at 4:28 pm

    • More youth get sanctioned than any other group.

      Well i would imagine N Korea and Cuba might have something to say about that but i digress from the humor and get to where we need to be.

      “”Our Jobcentre Plus support for schools initiative will provide pupils and their parents with advice on the best routes into work experience, traineeships and apprenticeships”.

      This is the official response from yours truly DWP

      I bet they didn’t tell the parents their lose child benefits if their child does anything but go to college full time as that is precisely what will happen the moment their child takes up either traineeships or apprenticeships and we all know how crappy paid they are.


      August 18, 2016 at 6:20 pm

    • The under 25’s will be targeted more than the over 25’s, the older we get the more we know,


      August 19, 2016 at 5:27 am

    • As in DWP’s tactics & lies.


      August 19, 2016 at 10:22 am

  6. Freemason run councils giving homeless people meaningless advice,councils and their staff treating homeless people in ways that are dismissive and at times discriminatory.

    This is the most serious issue facing Britain but you would never guess from the crap media!



    August 18, 2016 at 6:57 pm

    • “The papers say: “There is no statutory duty to secure housing for homeless single people and couples without children, who are not deemed to be vulnerable for some reason.””

      And we wonder why peeps pop out babies… 😉 Ensures you will always have a roof over your head. 🙂

      Human Shield

      August 18, 2016 at 7:11 pm

      • Ummm no!while I was still claiming income support as a lone parent the housing benefit office f…..D up my claim and had me down as a single person not parent. I was facing eviction from the private rented place I still live in now. The landlord was claiming repossession as rent arrears. I applied to the council who refused to house me as I had rent arrears even though I had s child.even though it was there mistake! To be fair they did negotiate with the landlord and made him an interim payment and years later I’m still in the same house. A child is no ticket to a house. Last night on benefits channel 5 a single mum was staying 8 months with a friend before being housed. And I hate those shows btw. Britain’s benefits tenants show all the unemployed and none of the workers like me. All the drugs factories and none of the unemployed who desperately WANT to work.
        My point is I’m reasonably intelligent and know how to get things done but the situation I faced was bloody horrible and stressful. It’s hard then to imagine things could get worse but they have snd will continue to


        August 19, 2016 at 3:17 pm

      • Benefit Claimants Make You Laugh Out Loud – coming soon to Channel 5 😀

        Channel 5

        August 19, 2016 at 8:33 pm

  7. Violet

    August 18, 2016 at 7:06 pm

  8. I’ll give you a dollar for that!!!


    August 18, 2016 at 7:40 pm

  9. Did you know in Utah, USA the homeless were all given homes no strings attached,

    Did you know up until this point and after most states answers was to draft up laws or order police to arrest people for being homeless with excuses like sleeping in public.

    Did you know their all still living their and all have had no arrears between them todate.

    Lastly did you know their a mixture of addicts, mentally ill and unfortunates demonstrating even a junky can keep up with whats important.



    August 18, 2016 at 7:49 pm

  10. The tactics the DWP uses to stack the odds against benefit claimants

    The DWP is failing to action requests for reconsiderations because claimants use the wrong language.

    They might ask for their decision to be looked at again or reviewed but because they don’t use the specific words ‘mandatory reconsideration’ the request is often discarded

    “One particular problem I have started hearing again and again is that people were told to phone the DWP helpline and were told by helpline staff that there was no point in putting in an MR request because, without additional medical evidence, the decision would definitely not be overturned.



    August 18, 2016 at 9:44 pm

    • Dear all – with regards to this rubbish – Put it in Writing?

      Write out you request a appeal via MR.
      Pop into your local Roach Central office
      Then ask for it to be scanned.
      If they say they cannot do that – take their name and ask for manager [record record record]
      Complain – its deliberate maladministration [why? new claims get scanned and sent to the action office which is not your local Roach Central – oh if you’re disabled its discrimination etc etc – non-disabled its Harrassment / maybe attepted fraud against you under the 1998 Fraud Act].
      They’ll then trot off and state its sent.
      Only then ask for the receipt showing that it has – its automatically generated, if none is given to you..
      Oh and ask which particular internal system it was put up on.
      Wait an hour and call you local Work Roach Call Centre and ask if its up on the system.

      [hope Andrew dosen’t mind the following – refer to Refuted/unemploymentmovement for MR template(s)]


      August 18, 2016 at 11:35 pm

  11. Sex ban man John O’Neill ‘made homeless’. He is currently living rough on the outskirts of York, sleeping in a tent.

    A man who must notify police 24 hours before he has sex has said he is sleeping rough in a wood near York.

    John O’Neill said restrictions over his use of communications devices – another condition of his Sexual Risk Order (SRO) – had restricted his ability to work and claim benefits.

    A court will decide on Friday whether the interim order is to be extended. Mr O’Neill was cleared of rape last year.

    The Department for Work and Pensions has not yet responded to a request for comment.
    ‘Extreme requirements’

    Mr O’Neill, 45, told the BBC’s Victoria Derbyshire programme that when he contacted Universal Credit to inform them of a change in his circumstances, he was told the SRO’s restrictions meant he could no longer meet the criteria for claiming unemployment benefits. this was because, he said, the SRO states he must be able to make any communications device he uses, such as computers or telephones, available to police.

    Mr O’Neill claims he has also been told that, as he is no longer eligible for Universal Credit, he cannot receive legal aid.



    August 19, 2016 at 6:06 am

    • You would think this guy would have learnt to record everything by now as by letting the police have such, we would all instantly know who exactly shut the claim down and why.

      Now i know DWP state this is not the version of events they know of yet how comes they offered no proof their and then, its not like this is a normal claimant, Considering the order hes under he has no rights to privacy meaning DWP could legally speak out but they didn’t.

      Well the phone call can be checked, if he went into a center, cameras could be checked,over claimants asked. This would establish the time line he speaks of. When you ring or visit you cant speak to an advisor without them going into the system to check you are who you say you are other wise anyone could shut down anyones claims right ?

      Contained in that would be WHY whether its true or not and that’s where he needs to start.

      Well i must say well done police,courts and DWP, you’ve just made him harder to track because now he can just up sticks at the click of a finger and theirs crap the authority can do until they locate him which by then if the polices version is to be believed, someones daughter could be killed.

      I for one wont put up with another repetitive lessons learn’t speech which will no doubt follow god forbid should such a horrible thing happen.


      August 20, 2016 at 2:47 pm

  12. Newsreader

    August 19, 2016 at 9:06 am

    • Now the bad news (from above report):

      “However, the Scottish Government last night showed little interest in an attempt to block the regime in Scotland, insisting Westminster would remain “entirely responsible” for the area and decisions after devolution”.


      August 19, 2016 at 9:08 am

    • The bad news, It’s a NO then.


      August 19, 2016 at 9:53 am

  13. Britain’s spies should be allowed to continue harvesting large amounts of data from emails, the government’s reviewer of terror legislation said.

    David Anderson has published a review of so-called bulk interception powers.

    He found there was no viable alternative to the use of the powers by GCHQ, MI5 and MI6 in the fight against terror.

    He also backed the hacking of phones and computers “in principle”, with some reservations.

    But he said the operational case for this kind of surveillance, known as “bulk equipment interference” was “not yet proven”.



    August 19, 2016 at 1:49 pm

    • Most email is now done encrypted over secure sockets and so government would either have to do a deal with ISPs to get them to provide the data covertly or scrutinise emails before/as they get sent on devices, i.e., use backdoors provided by companies like Microsoft in their operating systems or plant malware on devices without their user’s consent to monitor their activities. Google already scans emails sent and/or received via Gmail/Googlemail for content in order to target advertising; it wouldn’t be too hard to scan and record data relating to other things. Microsoft already spy on you and are quite open about it: here’s a direct quote from the company’s so called “privacy policy”:

      “We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to protect our customers or enforce the terms governing the use of the services.”


      If you want privacy from your operating system and software don’t go Microsoft.

      It’s difficult to imagine big companies like Microsoft and Apple not co-operating with government as far as surveillance is concerned even though they might deny it publicly. If you really want privacy go open source.


      August 20, 2016 at 7:16 am

      • What on earth are you talking about, most especially branded email sites dont carry what you speak about Tim. Its called a sniffer program and it involves no having to get access crap, that’s pure fiction spread to the masses. I know this as i built a few in my time as simple toys when i was bored.

        If that does not make you sit up enough you only have to understand what is a computer and what is a network to know that an internet stream of packages can be used to operate a program, it just needs a mentor to give it direction. It not hacking and is far beyond even what the government have i strongly suspect as it isn’t enough to just be a hot programmer on this one. Its completely untrackable forever climbing packets like a ladder, living and breathing in a pace beyond all other computers control.

        To put it simply, it lives on the net itself and can go far beyond simply reading packets.


        August 20, 2016 at 3:01 pm

      • Eh? But the hypertext transfer protocol over secure sockets (https) encrypts data packets before routing them making your password, identity and such like unreadable unless you access the messages on mail servers or at the point of despatch and/or reception, or intercept them by some kind of elaborate man-in-the-middle attack.


        Most people access the web using https now using a browser, email client or similar. This should be plenty enough to stop most parties from intercepting and scrutinising emails between email servers and; it’s the same protocol used by banks and businesses to enable people to exchange financial data and shop online. Of course motivated hackers, governments and security agencies can sometimes inspect and obtain data covertly and so if you’re trying to keep everything private you can install free/cheap additional software packages to make scrutiny pretty much impossible: The most popular encryption software I can think of off the top of my head is PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) or similar; I think you have to pay for PGP although on Linux you can set your email client up to use OpenPGP to do the business gratis.



        Even if you do al this if a government was interested enough in you it could, I suppose, try to obtain access to your messages by legal process or other instruments. And for those who can’t be bothered with the foregoing but want to exchange private messages simply type them up on your device, compress them in a password protected archive file using WinRAR or similar – the RAR5 format is very secure – and email the archive to its destination. As long as the recipient knows the password you used, he/she will be able to extract the files at the other end and read them. If you use a strong password, even if the compressed file does fall into the hands of some third party, the archive could probably not be decrypted by brute force in your lifetime using current technology!


        August 21, 2016 at 8:16 am

      • Tim

        Unfortuntely I remember reading of a case concerning encryption on TheRegister [I think it was about three/four years ago I if remember right], police wanted to inspect the hard drive of a mentally ill man [think tin foil] and he refused, the court allowed a open ended detention order until he did – I have no idea how it turned out – the report at the time said something about him and rocket explosives.

        I mentioned I’m hitting problems? And the title of this blog entry is what I currently am – homeless. Saw council and told will see me a week later, and gave one time and then changed it. Methinks I will turn up for the first time mentioned and wait, just in case silly stuff is going on…


        August 22, 2016 at 12:15 am

  14. More bad news over on welfare weekly right wing think tank says the new living wage should be abolished? ???


    August 19, 2016 at 3:23 pm

    • Yes Kat, they don’t like the idea of the rising of NMW in the future, their happy to keep it where it is never mind the cost of things in the future, as long as we’re OK.


      August 19, 2016 at 3:35 pm

    • Yes, these free market think tanks are desperate to stop it as this one is so not the first to voice their opinion.

      Trust me, once it goes up a few more times, all companies will be backed into a corner and that my friends is exactly why they want to stop it. You see a company can only downsize its staff so much or must face reducing profit and we all know businesses wont sacrifice that don’t we so they rise the prices.

      The thing is when you do that, it means those hikes in the NLW start to become the original £6.70 an hour in value which means the employee will eventually buy less. That effect again means companies lose profit but this time cant shed, cant lower hours, cant expect greater production unless they accept far less products meaning even more loss of profit and thus adding another double whammy.

      This means all businesses are now heavily forced to compete with each other in ways they never have and why, because their to tight to pay decent wages from profits.

      I doubt Osborne realized it when he walked into it in hope of staving off a labour angle to regain office but he has finally found a way to hurt the investors and businesses he has tried so hard to protect and suck up to. Pure idiot genius.

      If your think wait a minute im suffering in this, don’t worry as now your not suffering it alone as now businesses are to unless they decide to do the decent thing and start paying proper wages and not scraps from profit which if they took less of would have made this never happen in the first place.


      August 20, 2016 at 3:25 pm

  15. The subsidised food and drink MP’s get at the tax payers expense should be abandoned.

    Living it up all week in the HoC pissed out of their skulls and bellies chockablock full with the finest food money can buy, while the homeless starve on the streets,greedy sponging parasites!


    August 19, 2016 at 5:28 pm

  16. Homeless in London treated like vermin with spikes used to deter rough sleepers.


    August 19, 2016 at 6:20 pm

    • Looks really comfy to me.

      Mustava the Fakir

      August 21, 2016 at 8:18 am

      • 😁


        August 21, 2016 at 1:21 pm

  17. Everybody on Universal Credit is supposed to do an impossible 35 hour work-search every week. Does anybody know if that remains true for part-time workers on Universal Credit? Surely the work-search requirement must reduce as the hours a claimant works go up? Or does it? Could you have a person working for 34 hours a week on the minimum wage being forced to do 35 hours or work-search in his/her spare time because he/she falls one hour short of the level of pay associated with a 35 hour weekly minimum wage?

    If UC claimants have to continue to do a 35 hour job-search in addition to working part-time surely that will completely discentivise anybody from taking up part-time work? If the preposterous 35 hour work-search isn’t reduce proportionately for those accepting part-time jobs nobody would want to work part-time, surely, which would destroy part-time work as an option and massively increase competition for full-time work.

    I’m asking because I’m thinking about taking a part-time job.

    Not much point in doing that unless I end up with a fair bit more financially (I won’t) and the DWP demand that I spend 35 hours a week job-seeking isn’t cut by at least the number of hours I work in any part-time post. What a nightmare it would be to work 27.5 hours on the minimum wage, lose 65% of my earnings from deductions made to Universal Credit, and have to spend 35 hours looking for a better job, second job or pestering my part-time employer for more hours. Spending 62.5 hours a week either working and work-searching doesn’t sound like much of a life worth living to me.

    Anybody out there knowledgeable or on in-work conditionality themselves willing to spill the beans?


    August 20, 2016 at 7:01 am

    • Your hours are subtracted from the 35 hours condition Tim.


      August 20, 2016 at 3:32 pm

      • Cheers, Doug.

        So if I worked for 27.5 hours on the minimum wage on Universal Credit I would only be expected to “work search” for 7.5 hours a week, eh? Blimey! Thank goodness for that! I wonder if my Work Coach realises that?


        August 20, 2016 at 6:30 pm

      • The grey area your experiencing Tim is dew to the fact in work conditionality wasn’t a part of the welfare reform act/ universal credit credit act when introduced and still even now despite amendments, it still does not incorporate how exactly that works and differs from out of work conditionality.

        This has lead to advisors doing assorts of things both productive and non productive. This means the claimant must state their case based on sound logic as the secretary of the state does have the power to reduce requirements.

        I would need to know your hours on a daily basis covering the full seven day week even if not worked (ie, you work mon to fir but not sat and sun) to be more accurate but for now will throw some scenes at you in the mean time.

        If you work 27.5 hours a week between monday to friday, that 5.5 hours a day. If your not paid for your breaks that extends to 1 and half hours (adjust if lunch only 45 to 30 min) extra making the daily work hours 7. ALWAYS FIND THIS OUT FROM YOUR EMPLOYER AS IT MATTERS AND DWP OFTEN FAIL TO TAKE IT INTO ACCOUNT.

        Also to be considered is travel time to work so if your day was 5.5 hours a day but it took an hour to get to work, the day would extend to 7.5 hours a day.

        SO YOU CAN SEE already its possible to consume the time even though your not in employment for that period of time.

        Now and you would have to check your own local JCP opening times, their often 9 to 5 mon to fri so if you started work at 9 and it took an hour to get to work and your breaks were paid for it would mean you finish work at 4pm (this does not include going home time). Now even though you finish work at 4pm, that’s exactly the time you down tool and not have actually leaving the jobs office/factory/etc so easily you add another 5 to 10 min as you may need to see someone to say your leaving now work has finished/fill in paperwork/change back into normal clothes/etc. It would then take a further 10 to 15 min to get to say JCP to use their PCs so already even though we have not added the home time or going to work your now at 6 hours meaning a 4.30pm availability to search for work. So you now only have 30 min a day to search if we assume you don’t have a PC and internet at home. Even though DWP might say you could do it on a sat and sun, that’s not always possible as libraries may only be open 10 to 1 on sat and closed on sun meaning only 3 hours available. This totals only having 5.5 hours a week you can actually search for work.


        If this work was at night the dynamics would change again as if say a person finished at 6am and it took an hour to get home to go to bed to sleep ( 8 hours sleep) and another 1 hour to eat and 15 min to ready for bed would mean you wake up at 4.15pm so using PC at JCP again you wouldn’t be able to make it JCP before 6pm which includes 30 min to get ready (ie bath,dress,iron,etc) and 30 min for breakfast. As you can see other than sat you cant search for work mon the fri meaning you can only logically search for 3 hours a week.

        The thing to remember is DWP can only argue where its possible to actually search for work, you cant expect a person to search for work while walking or on a bus or in a bath or any normal everyday things required inorder to work and function in a healthy and hygienic way.




        August 21, 2016 at 6:40 am

      • Wow! That’s really bad though isn’t it because it could vary from Jobcentre to Jobcentre and Work Coach to Work Coach based on how they interpret the rules and regulations. Unless there are clear rules, or some kind of formula that relates worksearch requirements, worked hours and wages, nobody, not claimants, not DWP staff, will have any real idea of where they are or what they are expected to do. You might have two people working the same hours, on the same pay, at the same company, using the same transport who get treated completely differently at the same Jobcentre. Whoever thought this crap up should be stood against the wall and shot.


        August 21, 2016 at 8:26 am

      • And that’s precisely why until such time as regs incorporate it the claimant must apply logic to the proceedings rather than allow an advisor to dictate.

        1: What is your working days and hours ( start time,finish time) and hourly rate
        2: What are DWPs open and close times
        3: all free PCs total availability for work search

        Now overlay them, a e-calendar you can post entries into will help in the overlay but it can just as easily be done on paper.

        Unless you have the odd late library night (7pm close) assuming your not working that actual night, most libraries close at 5pm with at least two days a week fully closed (one in the week and always sunday).

        I say this as you cannot be expected to search after these times as how do you get access to a PC thats free and that is where the overlay becomes important as you must now add this so you know exactly how much time is really possible to search.



        August 21, 2016 at 11:14 am

      • Trouble is people don’t know or realise the Work Coach thing is supposed to be a negotiation and so, afraid to look un-cooperative or as if they have something to hide, in the main just go along with whatever the Work Coach says without querying it. As a result poor innocent sods off the street get railroaded into agreeing to do all sorts of almost impossible things on a daily basis on the say-so of poorly trained junior civil servants. The whole system is flaky. Universal Credit does NOT simplify anything it just makes things even more obscure and infinitely more difficult on every level for claimants and administrators alike. It’s like cancer. I’m not joking.


        August 21, 2016 at 12:34 pm

      • Its still very far from a negotiation Tim.

        This we treat everyone individually according to their needs is still a box ticking operation of DO YOU FIT IN A.B.C.


        August 22, 2016 at 7:16 am

  18. Private landlords double housing benefit haul to £9.3bn.

    The National Housing Federation (NHF) study said the increase was due to a big rise in the number of private tenants claiming housing benefit.

    The NHF said this particular group of people had grown by 42% since 2008.

    In 2006, some £4.6bn in housing benefit was paid to private landlords, a figure which had more than doubled by 2015.



    August 20, 2016 at 12:39 pm

  19. DWP medical not Healthcare Professional Medical – Suicide – Suicidal did not pass the Medical – The DWP Medical. Now suicidal & fit for work. That is if you get out of being sectioned at £1000 a week to care for you.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    August 20, 2016 at 2:20 pm

    • Now call the police DWP !!!! DWP Assisted Suicide !!!

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      August 20, 2016 at 2:22 pm

      • The DWP only care because the DWP get a suicide bonus for each person they turn into being suicidal.

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        August 20, 2016 at 2:23 pm

  20. So it is now suicidal Income Tax on earnings !!! No Income Tax or do you want a suicide tax office !!

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    August 20, 2016 at 2:24 pm

  21. Has anyone taken his shoelaces off him !!! That will help in getting a job. I can`t wear shoes because they take my shoelaces away !!!

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    August 20, 2016 at 2:26 pm

    • Don`t get started on my belts !!! DWP Pants !!!

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      August 20, 2016 at 2:27 pm

  22. Andrew Coates

    August 20, 2016 at 3:35 pm

  23. Prisoners in England and Wales are being used as a cheap source of labour in all kinds of industries including printing, textiles, engineering, woodwork, laundry and even assembling plastic poppies for the Royal British Legion.

    The idea of training prisoners up with skills so that they are less likely to reoffend when they get out of jail is a vary good idea in principle, but the problem with farming prison labour out to the private sector is absolutely obvious. If scores of companies all over the UK are taking advantage of prison labour for as little as 30p an hour, then this availability of extremely cheap labour has an obvious downwards effect on wages and employment rates in whichever business sectors they become involved in.



    August 20, 2016 at 3:50 pm

    • Yes it is a good idea but before people cry wolf i strongly suggest you find out who is using them first as it may be a non profit company who cant afford wages at that juncture.

      That aside i wouldn’t worry to much as trust me prisoners don’t work the hours you and i do so work around 4 hours a day and even then don’t out out any real effort or care into it as even in prison they cant force you to work unless you agree to and even then most prisoners go for red band, kitchen and laundry work or should i say work pertaining to the operation of the prison as it give them something to trade with which making crap for others does not, well not unless it can be turned into a weapon or is a radio or cd player which is hardly likely.


      August 21, 2016 at 6:48 am

  24. How the 35 hours work search is becoming fiction.

    Now if you read any of my post here or even lately your see i demonstrate reductions happening in all areas.

    According to labour market stats fulltime work has grown slightly but its ratio to part time work and self employment which has been largely proliferated by recruitment agencies and providers, the latter are beginning to catch up. If business are to believed about the NLW then this will increase further still over the coming couple of years.

    You see its no good having more people in work if those people aren’t working 37 hours plus a week and still heavily state dependent which currently a lot of them are be it permanently or periodically throughout the year. You see the average joe public would say ” hey, its less money we are paying out once subtracting their earnings” but actually not really, not significantly as it isn’t as most wont be paying tax or very little with some not even paying NI contributions.

    (Credits and housing are tax free)

    Currently if we talk averages only, two part timers equal one full timer, well its less actually but you do get to see where theoretically a person works 37 hours but does not pay a stitch in tax but gets x amount still flowing out the door. To put it another way, if every business suddenly made every one part time on NLW, their profits would still be same if we excuse for the moment buying products yet the government wouldn’t get a brass bean in taxes and if they were all self employed, the government wouldn’t even know what their get till next tax year.

    Now this is just a glimpse, its far more complicated to get into as their way more strings attached to this story, it could all change dependent on both business and government actions and reactions but as it stands now its on a declining path despite stats and forecasts.

    This 35 hour narrative needs to be challenged as its not even a real meaningful figure when we consider the average working week of employees is at 32 hours a week currently according to the labour market statistics and precisely why government made it about money that could be earn’t rather than hours worked.

    (Remember your not entitled to tax credits unless working over certain hours).

    So tie this to the new tax system where employers and self employed are suppose to or will some time soon and you can already see the government KNEW whats happening now was going happen prior and is safe guarding itself while glaringly lying to the public’s face.

    The joke of that is a lot of mangers and professionals who don’t make up the majority when we talk workers total actually work in excess of 48 hours a week meaning they skew the statistics so would infact reduce that 32 average it we stuck with the 37 hour a week working directive.

    Oh what a web we weave, at first we practice to deceive.


    August 20, 2016 at 4:45 pm

    • Oh and government spread what one earns over month rather than recognize per week as one good week would create the impression over a month that ones circumstance were steady.

      For instance if i worked 10 hours for 3 weeks, then worked 37 the next, it would appear i was working 16.75 hours a week. One the latter shows a pattern of steady work progression but no payment for taxes while the other paints a tax revenue picture of one week that person paying taxes despite the fact at the end of the year they would get a full rebate meaning it cost government and so the tax payer money to take said tax and return said tax. On the government tax revenue sheet on whats taken, it appears workers are doing ok and paying taxes when its total taxes for all workers and thus masks the reality.

      Any one who truly understands math will tell you this is a numbers spin, where as a comedian will say “its just in the way you tell um”.


      August 20, 2016 at 5:00 pm

  25. No wonder I can’t get a crappy part time job 👎


    August 20, 2016 at 4:45 pm

    • Move to Cornwall and crappy part-time jobs are here for the taking aplenty.


      August 20, 2016 at 6:34 pm

      • (In fact crappy part-time jobs are pretty much the only jobs currently on offer hereabouts.)


        August 20, 2016 at 6:36 pm

  26. I’m a DWP call handler and have no time to care about your disability claim

    This morning I spoke to a cancer patient, a woman with kidney failure, and a young man who had just lost the mother of his children. Each of them thought I was trying to help them. I wasn’t really though, because helping them would take longer than 23 minutes.



    August 20, 2016 at 7:03 pm

    • That DWP hypocrite is using Maximus yes no tick box UNUM models. Perhaps the DWP hypocrites`s boss is Maximus thinking they a carrying out a medical to forget the cancer bit. The DWP are cleaning up Maximus`s mess or the DWP will be fined in the DWP Maximus Contract. More fines to pay your contractors DWP. !!! So it`s come down to DWP medicals over the phone with the DWP ESA thinking they are Maximus !!!

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      August 20, 2016 at 7:14 pm

    • Micro management, one of the greatest dickass ideologies that does not work because life is not predictable.

      Basically your employer is asking you to place quantity over quality as you cant have both with most of the stupid targets they set. This is also why productivity has not increased.

      In this case she may only have 23min but that’s not on the new claimant so if they drag themselves like say have a bundle of paper to go through while on the phone to answer questions and the time exceeds, the DWP handler is not permitted to hang up on them If they did we would have heard of that by now.

      As long as the DWP workers mouth does not extend 23 min of patter, how long the new claimant takes to reply is not on them.


      August 21, 2016 at 6:58 am

    • Ain’t that the truth pal.

      Bing Crosby

      October 17, 2017 at 12:46 pm

  27. The DWP in breach of every rule they impose !!! Extra caring for people with mental health – extra caring for people who are vulnerable. That seems to go out the window with the rest of the DWP workers rule hand book. A race that can never be one even with admittance of guilt from their own DWP rules.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    August 20, 2016 at 7:18 pm

    • Fiddled & Money Laundering through disabled people !!!

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      August 20, 2016 at 7:20 pm

      • Disability Confident = Money Laundering.

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        August 20, 2016 at 7:21 pm

  28. Disability Confident is an illegal operation of money laundering from the disabled.

    Now slander the disabled.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    August 20, 2016 at 7:22 pm

  29. You pay me to stop slander disability confident !!! Who`s paying !!!

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    August 20, 2016 at 7:23 pm

    • Hush hush – No tax then !!!

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      August 20, 2016 at 7:23 pm

      • No it`s not money laundering paying – Just doing my job !!!

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        August 20, 2016 at 7:24 pm

  30. So 100 suicidal people want to join up to Disability Confident !!! They are very confident !!! They seem to be exempt !!!

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    August 20, 2016 at 7:26 pm

  31. leedsjon fairshares
    21 Aug 2016 01:16
    0 1

    I have also had many dealings with DWP both as an individual claimant and advice worker, and I’m wondering how accurate it is to denigrate the whole ‘DWP’ as the focus of blame in this. The problem may be that it is an exceptionally large and multi layered organisation whose treatment of you may differ substantially according to which layer of the organisation you are dealing with. Take the following example as an illustration: – when claiming Job Seekers’ Allowance through JobCentrePlus I was subjected to a particularly demeaning and draconian regime entirely consistent with the description of DWP you make. When claiming, some time later, carer’s benefits (Carer’s Allowance) to assist me in caring full time for my disabled mother, which were accessed through a completely different layer of the DWP to JobCentrePlus, I was dealt with by individuals who were compassionate, caring and seemed to have all the time in the world to listen to my circumstances. The contrast between these 2 experiences was so great that I could not believe that the agencies I had dealt with were both part of the same general ogranisation.

    Guardian Comments

    August 21, 2016 at 1:48 am

    • Hmmm, then would this person like to explain when in person the good caring advisors do this,

      1: look around to make sure no other staff are listening
      2: lower their head before speaking so the sides block other staffs vision
      3:lower their voice while speaking


      Yes i swore and im sorry but theirs no way that’s true ever ever ever.


      August 21, 2016 at 7:10 am

  32. Welfare dependency’ or essential redistribution


    Well done Bernadette Meaden, youve finally woken up, took bloody 6 years but well done. Lets hope it does not take you another 6 just to get the fact out their.

    Im sorry but it annoys me that all we hear today is precisely what i and others like me have said from the outset yet these people will get the credit for their comments.

    This stuff is just plain old plagiarism of all our hard work, if i could sue these people, the papers i would as when the dust settles, no ones going to remember the true people that put the effort in, not going to remember sites like Ipswich unemployed and its just plain wrong.


    August 21, 2016 at 7:21 am

  33. UK government under pressure to increase housing stock


    I have to say something here because all these people are trying to play the nice card on the housing issue when the answer is obvious.

    The more money government give to private landlords, the more money they can get back in various taxes and that is precisely why they have no taste to build any social housing or halt rent increases. Its the same with all this right to buy and stuff. They have deliberately done this so they can inflate the GDP so the public THINK theyve made a difference. As was pointed out before Tory got back into office under the old calculations the coalition did not improve the country. To haze the picture further they included for the first time, proceeds of crime.

    By pushing claimants into private housing and not capping rents like they do benefits, when the claimant get invicted, government will simply say ITS NOT THEIR FAULT.

    Its about taking money and screwing the public.


    August 21, 2016 at 7:37 am

  34. BBC1 19.30

    Living with Cuts: Austerity Town

    With the new prime minister facing tough decisions on government spending cuts, Panorama reporter Richard Bilton investigates the impact of six years of austerity measures on his home town, Selby in North Yorkshire. Services are still being cut and many people are being asked to make do with less, so can a new army of volunteers bridge the gaps?



    August 22, 2016 at 7:13 am

  35. The working renters whose homes are ‘at risk’


    Its was said by the likes of gaia, obi and many more from the outset on this very site that welfare reforms were more to do with the working than it had to do the unemployed and so it appears that prophecy continues to be true.

    If their wasn’t already issues securing one bedroom properties for the unemployed, now we have low earners fighting to find the very same illusive property.

    With the mention of forcing councils to house the homeless, this will indeed be interesting to see as 3 tory lies start to unwind.


    August 22, 2016 at 7:28 am

  36. I smell bull, do you smell bull ?


    Already obvious if you viewed governments chat with BBC breakfasts Naga Munchetty, government again are attempting to spin a yarn, yet still haven’t addressed overcrowding, increased violence on both prisoners and staff, poor and unfit prison building conditions, increased suicides, far to mental health people placed in prison instead of proper medical units and reduced staff levels dew to cuts.

    Instantly by careful questions, Elizabeth Truss, Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice was caught on the hope and did what every MP does, and become incredibly evasive. Any of us who can read micro gestures know a liar when we see one and boy it was like taking candy from a kid reading Elizabeth Truss’s facial actions.

    Firstly and im sorry i cant say how i know this, Muslim clerics have for ages now already been heavily vetted not that its any easier for anyone to get the clearance required to work in such areas. This means the promise is nothing but a straw man that cant be increased anymore than it already is. Yes thats right she lied to your faces, all the public faces.

    She went on the talk about recruitment of staff yet when questioned paused then choked as we all already know prison unions have been crying for ages for extra staff, even admitting having to ship in officers from other prisons. With violence at the level it already is, that’s quite some challenge to recruit more.

    The third and final lie was providing secure units for extremists. This is code their just take a wing somewhere and call it a day with i suspect, no extra staff on top of what’s needed in the system already.

    Finally and feel free to call me on this but aren’t all those committing the violence in prison extremists even though their not Muslim let alone a terrorist or IS recruiter.


    August 22, 2016 at 7:52 am

  37. Slavery reports rise fivefold, Salvation Army says


    Now government is claiming success but how i cant imagine as a majority if not all slaves freed entered this country while under a tory government. You can try and say its the coalition so not solely tory BUT, from what i saw liberals played a near non existent role through office and infact lead to their most major supporter losses.

    Interestingly the highest count of slavery (474 that’s 26% of the total amount) was registered in London so went on right under tory noses implying they cant be that qualified to address it


    August 22, 2016 at 8:09 am

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