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After Success with Universal Credit, our Boss, Stephen Crabb, to be next PM?

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Work and Pensions Secretary in March 2016.

The BBC reports.

Stephen Crabb has launched his bid for the Tory leadership promising no snap election and no second EU referendum.

The Preseli Pembrokeshire MP and work and pensions secretary said stability was his aim, warning that fresh polls would simply create more uncertainty.

Mr Crabb rejected claims he was prejudiced against gay people, after his opposition to same-sex marriage.

The contest was triggered when Prime Minister David Cameron announced he would resign after the Brexit vote.

Who is Stephen Crabb? Bearded Welshman with controversial views on homosexuality.

This is believed to be his biggest rival:

Though an as yet undeclared outsider is expected to make a strong showing:

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Written by Andrew Coates

June 29, 2016 at 3:02 pm

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  1. Reblogged this on sdbast.

    sdbast

    June 29, 2016 at 3:17 pm

  2. SNP’s bid to replace Labour as Commons opposition rejected.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36660386

    enigma

    June 29, 2016 at 3:22 pm

  3. “When people talk about hard choices between heating or eating or buying clothes, I know what it’s like”

    So will things change for millions of people, we can all expect the answer to be no.

    enigma

    June 29, 2016 at 3:35 pm

    • “would”

      enigma

      June 29, 2016 at 4:14 pm

    • Probably going to get worse. Exiting the EU will mean that the British economy will lose inward investment, shrink, and end up mush less prosperous and wealthy. If the country wants to remain in the single market not much will be able to change as far as immigration is concerned. If we leave the single market, well, God alone knows what the heck will happen. Certainly much less money will be available for everything domestically. (Including the mythical £325 million supposedly saved to be redirected to the NHS, which will probably now have less spent on it than before.) I doubt whether any budget will be able to be protected although social security, being the biggest, will be expected to make substantial savings.

      God help us all.

      It’s a pity that the Bremainers will have to suffer for something the Brexiters caused.

      Tim

      June 30, 2016 at 12:17 pm

  4. This Worm by PM? Not a chance. Remember his stirlng start to being a Minister & the pronoucments he’s made, let alone his odd religious views.

    I am sure votoers wil feel all warm and fuzzy inside at hear/seeing about that.

    Nope. Looking at how ConMen think & calculate this Worm intends to ride to a bigger Dept depending on who he can suckup too, seeing as his patron PiggieCammie is heading for the sunset…

    Gazza

    June 29, 2016 at 4:35 pm

    • Stephen Crabb “The strengths I bring are those required”

      What prey might those be other than a] university Grad b] being part of Christian Action (this looks and sounds like being a org a bit like the Jehova’s to me…) for Networking purposes c] being able to count votes in a foreign country d] Dogs body/Networker for Voluntry Youth Services e] London Chamber of Commerce [ohh oh dearie me – I heard during my time at DTI there was a real nasty backstabbing piece of work who fraked things up there and then skipped off… could this be one and the same I wonder….]

      Oh and Christian Action has Islamophobia videos on its main site…

      Newspaper PUFF Piece on Crabbie:

      -suffered violent abuse at the hands of his father, Mr Crabb’s mother fled to safety with him and his brothers when he was just a young boy.

      – Growing up in a council house, money was tight and the Work and Pensions Secretary has told how he used to skip school to pick potatoes to earn cash.

      – A youth worker and marketing consultant before heading to Parliament, he worked in communications and policy roles at the London Chamber of Commerce and the National Council for Voluntary Youth Services.

      – Born in Scotland but raised in a council house in Pembrokeshire, he went to state schools in Wales and Scotland before studying at Bristol University and London Business School.

      – strong interest in international development, for two years he led Project Umubano, the Conservative Party’s social action project in Rwanda and Sierra Leone.

      – A practising Christian and the patron of a Welsh disability group, Pembrokeshire Mencap,

      The PUFF piece – Don’t read its sickening…

      If anyone wants to torture themselves Search Google for “who-is-stephen-crabb-and-why-are-mps-backing-him-for-tory-leadership”

      Gazza

      June 29, 2016 at 5:56 pm

  5. Apparently Crabb is ‘working class’.

    This is all I could find of working career outside being a Westminster MP.

    “On leaving university, Crabb took an unpaid post as a Christian Action Research and Education parliamentary intern.[14]

    In 1996, he became the Parliamentary Affairs Officer for the National Council for Voluntary Youth Services. In 1998, he served as an election monitor in Bosnia and Herzegovina and started work as a policy manager at the London Chamber of Commerce.[15]

    In 2002 he became a marketing consultant.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Crabb

    Andrew Coates

    June 29, 2016 at 4:35 pm

  6. Come back Screaming Lord Such all is forgiven!!

    katrehman

    June 29, 2016 at 5:57 pm

  7. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    June 29, 2016 at 7:29 pm

  8. Crabb In A Barrel – Why is Boris sitting in the corner sucking his thumb? Someone must of told him he`s not going to be PM. Just like at the Bullingdon club – In fact the whole of the UK is in the bullingdon club.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    June 29, 2016 at 7:41 pm

  9. Theresa May and Boris Johnson will on Thursday both announce they are running to become leader of the Conservative party, with each claiming to be the unifying candidate Britain needs as its prime minister after the divisive EU referendum.

    The home secretary will be the first to make her ambitions known in a speech at around 9.30am, saying the UK needs to be “a country that works not for a privileged few but for every one of us”.

    Meanwhile

    The former London mayor will pitch himself as a winner and a unifier, able to appeal to people across the country, after successfully leading the campaign to leave the EU. He will highlight his belief in social mobility and compassionate conservatism, signalling he wants to prove his claims during the EU referendum that he stands for helping ordinary people and not the elites.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/29/theresa-may-boris-johnson-announce-tory-leadership-bids

    enigma

    June 29, 2016 at 9:41 pm

    • I forgot to add, – telling everyone what they want to hear, as usual.

      enigma

      June 29, 2016 at 9:51 pm

  10. His talk today was you never get something for nothing then went on about rugby and having to get the ball as in life if you want it.Talk is cheap with the Tories and as usual ignores the reality and no shortage of self interest.

    ken

    June 29, 2016 at 10:38 pm

    • Yep Tories boasting about their “working class” origins are usually worse in respect to the interests of the working class than the privileged, e.g., John Major and David Davies. Or even Margaret Thatcher who used to boast about being a “grocer’s daughter”.

      Sammo

      June 30, 2016 at 7:11 am

  11. Liam Fox is the real danger. An open admirer of the fucking awful old hag Ayn Rand, fuck knows what would happen to the poor and disadvantaged if he became Prime Minister.

    Sammo

    June 30, 2016 at 7:09 am

  12. Hold out.

    Man who had benefits stopped illegally gets DWP refund – and now others could make a claim

    A man whose benefits were stopped illegally by the Department of Work and Pensions has won a refund – three years later.

    The case could trigger a flood of similar claims.

    Simon Milne received a letter from the DWP in November saying it had not given him a fair chance to respond to allegations about his work-search record.

    The letter said: “A check of our records indicates that we may not have given you formal written notification of this decision. A formal letter would also have given you information about the steps you could take to appeal.”

    Simon contacted the Salford Unemployed Resource Centre in Eccles after getting the letter.

    Now a judge has ruled he should get a refund for the benefits that were sanctioned illegally in 2012.

    http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/man-who-benefits-stopped-illegally-11543460

    enigma

    June 30, 2016 at 8:37 am

  13. Come on Crabb.

    Your a victim of what you interpreted from your past. Had he had been born now, he only would have witnessed his father get declared fit for work but not before being sanctioned and his mother sanctioned all because the buses ran late or she had problems at school.

    Crabbs view would have been massively different to what he recants from the 70s a time when people were taught to be self sufficient, a trait nolonger taught in schools who have for decades preached reliance on others.

    What i would like to know is what his father did for work before he signed on sickness benefit, thatchers ploy remember to hide mass unemployment.

    doug

    June 30, 2016 at 8:54 am

  14. So what will brexit mean for claimants ?

    Well as many have already seen, the pound has dropped in relation to other currencies. This means goods from abroad are now more expensive. Naturally businesses will pass on that cost meaning goods will go up.

    Currently the view is to cut more public services one of which will no doubt be welfare, the constant scapegoat for everything our banks, businesses and now working public mess up on.

    If struggling was already a factor, its set if situations don’t change to pale in comparison to what may well wing its way towards us. Im also imagining another wave of mass sanctions, more people who most certainly aren’t told their fit for work and a continual slide of full time secure work (so no temp full time) that even before brexit was on its way down while part time and self employment increased.

    doug

    June 30, 2016 at 9:33 am

    • The continuance of attacking the poor..

      enigma

      June 30, 2016 at 9:57 am

      • An intensified attack on the poor because of Brexit.

        Have you read “Britannia Unchanied” written by a gaggle of these people?

        Check it out to discover what their plan for out future might look like.

        Tim

        June 30, 2016 at 12:20 pm

  15. PLEBiscite

    June 30, 2016 at 10:04 am

    • “She [Theresa May] will say that her vision as PM will be to restore battered public trust in politics by presiding over a Government that ‘works not for a privileged few but for every one of us’.

      Let’s wait and see!

      PLEBiscite

      June 30, 2016 at 10:32 am

      • Who is she talking about with the word “us”

        enigma

        June 30, 2016 at 10:38 am

      • “Friends said her [Theresa May’s] determination is to re-unite the country by standing up for all sections of society. They point to her decision to introduce a modern slavery bill and limit the use of stop and search, which was being disproportionately targeted at young black men.

        Will Workfare be abolished then?

        PLEBiscite

        June 30, 2016 at 10:38 am

      • With a personal allowance & housing element I can see modern slavery starting very soon. – don’t do it you first lose your personal allowance, still don’t comply it will be your housing element. or possibly both at the same time.

        Workfare will then be history.

        enigma

        June 30, 2016 at 11:21 am

      • They really are some piece of ‘work’ aren’t they?

        ” Hostels given job outcome targets and the power to compel residents to attend work related activity – which could include workfare – as a condition of being given a bed looks like one likely scenario. The workhouse grows ever closer.”

        Andrew Coates

        June 30, 2016 at 4:19 pm

      • A complete change sure is needed for people, more people in my area are getting to know.

        enigma

        June 30, 2016 at 4:47 pm

      • With modern construction methods it would be very cheap, quick and simple to throw up a workhouse. Battleship-grey* steel construction, open-plan dormitories and factory units on-site. They could be thrown up in the blink of an eye.

        *Thatcher took it upon herself to have jobcentres battleship-grey because it is the most depressing colour

        Bob the Builder

        July 1, 2016 at 4:45 pm

    • As Plebiscite quoted,

      “Friends said her [Theresa May’s] determination is to re-unite the country by standing up for all sections of society. They point to her decision to introduce a modern slavery bill and limit the use of stop and search, which was being disproportionately targeted at young black men.

      Here’s the real translation:

      “Theresa May’s determination is to re-unite the country by [making sure the poor stay poor, and the rich earn even more money off their backs] standing up for all sections of society [except for the poor – must look after the Panama Set who give her and the other rich Tory Toffs nice money pointers and consultancies at our expense]. They point to her decision to introduce a modern slavery bill [not to include the non-rich] and limit the use of stop and search [lets bring back poor houses ‘called ghettos’ which negate that need], which was being disproportionately targeted at young black men [no need to worry, we’ll be expanding past them quite soon].

      And now that dear old Boris has dropped out I have a nice clear run… I’ll be PM in the history books – I’ll be famous! Crashing the economy by BritExit. Making Britain not great but Little via exit of various regions. Watching helplessly as money flees abroad & housing/finance/tax receipts etc etc collapses. We are all after all in it together. All small prices to be paid for I’ll be famous!

      Gazza

      June 30, 2016 at 11:25 am

      • Oh this is good… oh so good.

        Quote BBC assistant political editor Norman Smith: “Norman says Boris Johnson “who probably won the Brexit campaign”, by giving it the leadership, the profile and the pizzazz “now recognises that he has become toxic to large swathes of the country”.

        So after winning and people realizing the Con they’ve been a victim of, does these fools really believe that changing the face of the Con is going to make it all better and make the pain go away? They’re all Toxic.

        Gazza

        June 30, 2016 at 1:01 pm

      • Gazza, take a look at the void.

        enigma

        June 30, 2016 at 3:17 pm

      • enigma

        Just caught the first couple of lines and I thought What the Frak??? Next up will be the crippled selling old shoes. children down the coal mines [not that we have any left mind you]. everyone out in the fields growing cotton for our masters. What the Frak!

        Lord I hope these Fraks start choking to death on their £50 breakfasts…

        Gazza

        June 30, 2016 at 4:44 pm

  16. OT: Claimants Reason for voting Leave – to Spread the pain!!!

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/30/martin-nothing-lose-vote-leave-unemployed-benefits-sanctioned

    “Martin’s already lost almost everything – he voted leave to spread the pain

    He’s unemployed, has had his benefits suspended and been summonsed for non-payment of council tax. For him, the EU referendum was a chance to kick back”

    I’ve heard of some reasons for voting leave but this – what part of Everyone will be affected for years/possibly decades to come and those on the bottom will suffer most, which includes himself does he not get?

    The number of Tory voters/& Nazis taken in by Leave according to my relative has passed the point of counting due to this kicker no one is talking about : There will be no getting rid of the cheap foreign labour – business will not stand for it so that idea is dead already.

    So what was the point of all this?

    Gazza

    June 30, 2016 at 11:53 am

    • Misery loves company:

      Andrew Coates

      June 30, 2016 at 12:21 pm

    • Why the British said no to Europe.

      The majority vote by Britons to leave the European Union was an act of raw democracy. Millions of ordinary people refused to be bullied, intimidated and dismissed with open contempt by their presumed betters in the major parties, the leaders of the business and banking oligarchy and the media.

      http://johnpilger.com/articles/why-the-british-said-no-to-europe

      enigma

      June 30, 2016 at 1:23 pm

      • Reminds me of my teenage daughter having a strop about parental authority, failing to notice that the people exercising that authority feed, clothe, shelter her and keep her safe from harm. The only freedom the British people look like winning is the freedom to see their nation decline more quickly and freedom for the rich and powerful to propagate more much more difficulty and suffering amongst the poor, helpless and most needy.

        My favourite daftest reason I heard for people leaving the EU was the one about “repatriating” £325 million a week from Europe to invest in the National Health Service. Which was 100% a lie. What is actually going to happen is that LESS investment will be made in the NHS because a contracting British economy will eventually become too small to allow such investment to continue.

        As far as Brexit goes the lunatics well and truly took over the asylum.

        Tim

        June 30, 2016 at 2:27 pm

      • Tim

        and soon after the contraction the NHS and anything not nailed down [and everything else come to think of it will be sold off in another big bang – everything must Go, rail, schools, NHS, councils whatever you want – roll up roll up] to the worst bidders a la Panama Account holders.

        Gazza

        June 30, 2016 at 4:49 pm

  17. Stephen Crabb is no working class hero – look at his voting record.

    The wannabe Prime Minister has backed welfare cuts, tax breaks for the rich and a trade union crackdown

    https://leftfootforward.org/2016/06/stephen-crabb-is-no-working-class-hero-look-at-his-voting-record/

    enigma

    June 30, 2016 at 12:44 pm

  18. John Kerry makes joke of the notion of a democracy

    If theirs one thing more barmy than to leave the EU, its peoples thoughts and words since that days verdict.

    In all the words though from IQ/education verses vote, old people shouldn’t be allowed to vote and a pathetic attempt to ask for a 2nd referendum, now USA John Kerry voices their are ways around this brexit, is the outlining fact, all these people seem to be dead set against democracy and seek to subvert it.

    doug

    June 30, 2016 at 1:21 pm

  19. Democracy here,democracy their, we seek to destroy democracy everywhere.

    https://www.rt.com/news/348948-nobel-laureates-greenpeace-gmo/

    It seems no matter where you are on this planet, far to many people are seeking to subvert democracy and the right of expression. These Nobel laureates are trying to get Europe’s governments to ignore Greenpeace when considering GMOs. So forceful are these people they suggest rather forcefully, will people have to die before we call Greenpeace actions a crime against humanity. If theirs one group that notion does not fit its Greenpeace but so desperate are GMO developers that they will resort to any tactic including very tall unsubstantiated stories.

    The bits that leave a particular bad taste in my mouth is this falsely claimed we care about poor people, that mysteriously seem in their version of events, to be the only ones who will suffer. One minute their kicking us in the teeth while on the other their declaring their undying love for us, that every thing they do is for us.

    Funny i don’t remember seeing these Nobel laureates protesting against welfare cuts , moaning how UK prisons aren’t fit for purpose or how our kids are getting stressed and depressed with the new education regime.

    doug

    June 30, 2016 at 1:50 pm

    • And Gove is in. With him as Tory leader even the hopeless Corbyn might stand a chance.

      Tim

      June 30, 2016 at 2:29 pm

  20. Cameron throws money at police after 60% rise in hate-crime after Brexit vote

    https://www.rt.com/uk/348911-immigrant-racism-hate-britain/

    Like Cameron cares about people no matter where they come from. Me thinks its more to do with the billions the UK will lose if migrants return home and employers are forced to hire whoever they can get.

    doug

    June 30, 2016 at 2:11 pm

  21. British interior minister Theresa May, the bookmakers’ favourite to replace David Cameron as prime minister, said on Thursday there was no going back on Britain leaving the EU but that divorce talks would not start until the end of the year.

    Launching her leadership bid, May said there would be no second referendum on EU membership, nor any bid to rejoin, and she also ruled out any immediate tax rises.

    “The campaign was fought, the vote was held, turnout was high and the public gave their verdict,” she said. “There must be no attempts to remain inside the EU, no attempts to rejoin it through the back door and no second referendum.”

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-may-idUKKCN0ZG12W

    enigma

    June 30, 2016 at 3:32 pm

    • Some people think there was no plan for an exit, what was May doing since the ref, she was not seen, now appears & tells everyone the above, verdict – consent from the people to bring into action the snoopers charter, the bill of rights & now call it what you may modern slavery. with the loss of the basics in life if you don’t comply.

      enigma

      June 30, 2016 at 4:23 pm

      • T May is telling all and sundry that you vote for me I’ll put off the election till 2020 and later if I can to save your jobs – nice for them.

        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120

        15:20hrs

        John Curtice: Theresa May ‘attempting to save MPs’ jobs’ by not calling election

        Theresa May’s claim she won’t call a general election if she becomes prime minister is probably a way of building bridges with Conservative MPs concerned that they could lose their seats, political scientist Professor John Curtice says.

        The home secretary says she does not think there should be another poll until 2020.

        Prof Curtice, from the University of Strathclyde, says a general election will mean MPs’ jobs are at risk.

        “I suspect Theresa May, in trying to build bridges, is saying to Conservative MPs: ‘If you vote for me your job is safe’.”

        Me: Says it all doesn’t it…

        Gazza

        June 30, 2016 at 4:53 pm

  22. The European Union’s top trade official says the UK cannot begin negotiating terms for doing business with the bloc until after it has left.

    “First you exit then you negotiate,” Cecilia Malmstrom told BBC Newsnight.

    After Brexit, the UK would become a “third country” in EU terms, she said – meaning trade would be carried out based on World Trade Organisation rules until a new deal was complete.

    A recent trade deal with Canada took seven years to negotiate.

    The Canadian agreement will also require ratification by all EU countries, adding another one to two years before it takes effect.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36678222

    enigma

    June 30, 2016 at 7:13 pm

    • Thats why the term “held hostage” is used,if they are going to then just go dont drag it out and try and bring everyone else down too.

      ken

      July 8, 2016 at 9:29 pm

  23. Gove for PM? I think not.

    The Article by Gormless Boris which touched off the backstabbing by Gove? Well Gove was in the background before that & the letter he sent to try and correct said article & the assurances he got out of Gormless Boris is here to read:

    https://t.co/PjNfHgExZ8

    Gazza

    June 30, 2016 at 9:13 pm

    • OT: Gove for PM? Not likely Where now for Crabbie Face?

      And what do you know just popped up…

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36684452

      “The BBC has learned that Justice Secretary Michael Gove is now coming under growing pressure to abandon his bid to become Tory leader.”

      I predict CrabbieFace being thrown under the bus and lost from sight.

      Note: T May has said austerity is to be abandoned…
      Note: Gididiot agrees!!!
      NOte: This will not stop the changes to bug up people on UC not coming into force though – remember we’re all in it together!

      Now who wants to be its got nothing to do with the release of the UN report condemning this ConMen Gov ove Sanctions?
      And who was the auxiliary cheerleader of the cuts GidIdiot of course and in the background T May.

      Now will the electorate fall for this? I feel sure they will.

      Gazza

      July 1, 2016 at 4:39 pm

  24. This is bullshit! Steven Crabb didn’t vote for a £30 a week cut to disabled people’s income! He voted for a cut to Malingerer’s Handout (ESA). How many of the shirkers on the “benefit” whom you see in the pubs and bookies are disabled? “Oh, I suffer from “depression and anxiety, give me another £30 a week on top of what jobseekers get”. Malingerer’s Allowance should be scrapped. Malingerers (ESA recipients) should receive the same rate as JSA. Fuck these lazy useless bastards!

    ESA claimants are FRAUDSTERS

    June 30, 2016 at 11:46 pm

  25. HMG’s plans for Brexit seem a bit lacking to say the least but it is well seen that the Bank of England HAVE planned for Brexit otherwise if post-Brexit strategy had been left to Messrs Cameron, Osborne and Johnson the UK economy would be in the Stone Age by now.

    Pervyn Ming (BoE)

    July 1, 2016 at 7:56 am

    • The whole thing was a plan & it worked. but there are other plans in motion.

      enigma

      July 1, 2016 at 8:18 am

  26. First it was shoplifting, now it appears fraud enters survival crime bracket.

    http://www.shropshirestar.com/news/crime/2016/07/01/shrewsbury-woman-in-45000-benefits-fraud-is-spared-jail/

    Quite a while back i mentioned a phrase being coined by judges in courts when dealing with increasing shoplifting of essential items that at the time media hadn’t caught on to. That phrase judges started using was “survival crime”, a trend they saw developing throughout the court system country wide whereby some people without benefits, usually as a result of a sanction or heavy delays in processing a claim would result to stealing items like food and nappies for instance to name but two types.

    Well it appears rather than be typecast it looks like its gained a new criminal friend in the form of benefit fraud. More and more we hear from the docks that everyday people with NO PRIOR CRIMINAL PAST/CONVICTIONS are or have been resorting to benefit fraud in order to make ends meet.

    WORTHY of note HOWEVER is it appears a lot have began committing fraud after this Tory government completely overhauled the fraud system to make it tighter and fraud free RATHER than before. Now im sure DWP and Tory alike will claim something like, ” they did it in the past but we cant get them on it” BUT its a little odd when some of these cases date back as far as 2008 with a very very few being back as far as 2004.

    Also WORTHY of note is how the accused often seems perfectly acceptant not only of the crime but also of the punishment or risk of when weighed against their monetary concerns.

    Now luckily because imprisonment costs the taxpayer so much and the accused often have very little if anything at all in terms of money, sentences tend to be more community service than prison cell based.
    This allowed me the opportunity to go speak with people in various community groups so i could hopefully get the chance to speak to people convicted of benefit fraud and it was successful.

    What i gleaned was my thoughts on the matter were quite correct including one thing that validates an old member of ipswich unemployed actions website, that post 2010, crime really does pay better than benefits, that criminals fair better than claimants.

    The first thing i noted off the bat was none were the slightest bit remorseful with all through different choice of words citing need outweighed compliancy. When asked the question would you do it again, all cited they didn’t really want to do it in the first place but need took hold which they said was quite driven so while they wouldn’t want to, they couldn’t say for sure they wouldn’t do it again if the need arose. Interestingly they all stated it was never meant to be a long thing, that in the beginning they saw and planned it as a temporary thing but one thing lead to another and bingo it just seemed acceptable after a time to continue. When asked did their situations change and while some said yes, most said life didn’t improve and after a time made the amount obtained from fraud necessary to continue in order to survive.

    Lastly noted just for this piece that is, the fact bar two of the 16 i spoke to ALL committed the act after 2010 and of that 16 only one had prior convictions for any crime at all.

    doug

    July 1, 2016 at 9:08 am

  27. Soliciting by sex workers should not be a crime, MPs say

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36677693

    Hmmm, sounds more like a matter of money and exploitation than care for one of the oldest professions on the planet. Im not surprised its been bought up by MPs as no doubt the majority of are a part of this 2.3 million figure.

    The first thing in the article we hear unsurmountable odds at getting other work, well thats a problem for cannabis smokers who have been caught with some on their persons or having so much, the mistake has been made their dealing when infact that’s how their dealer gave it to them in the first place. The article goes on about the revenue they produce and more.

    Now if it was decriminalized this is what will happen in time.

    1: It would normalize prostitution in short time as a job no different from modelling say.
    2: DWP already guilty of this in the past, may well once again demand claimants accept offers of sex work.
    3: It would like the proceeds of crime again inflate the countries GDP.
    4: The tax office would begin enforced registration of all sex workers for tax and NI purposes.
    5: Low a portion of the unemployed claimant count with a view to increase if DWP declare sex work as acceptable.

    As it stands although at constant risk to sex workers of being arrested, currently a sex worker can ply their trade and still claim benefits without being cited for fraud as crimes aren’t seen as gainful work so aren’t warranted as a change of circumstances.

    WORTHY OF NOTE IN PARTING

    On this very site a member cited a short while back while talking about why is one partner financially responsible for the other if not married and or no kids, they mentioned some women claim benefit and while doing so date men and gain from them financially despite not living together.

    WELL IF PROSTITUTION BECOMES LEGAL, that very point quite well made would be seen as proceeds from sex meaning even if you have a partner who does not live with you, that you may have even only known one day, that you STILL HAVE TO REPORT THIS PERSONS RELATIONSHIP TO YOU AND WHAT THEY GAVE AS A CHANGE OF CIRCUMSTANCE.

    (Expect relationship figures to drop if the case whether or not the person is in one).

    doug

    July 1, 2016 at 10:03 am

    • A change in the law must be made for the amount of money we can get.

      enigma

      July 1, 2016 at 11:19 am

  28. Mandatory reconsideration’s claimant success rate low, tribunal turnovers high

    http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/3529-29-july-update

    Well, well, well, despite DWPs best effort to stifle appeals against fitness tests on PIP claimants, the courts widely disagree bringing in to question not only the lack of effectiveness at MR to see a badly assessed PIP claimant get awarded correctly but also why the huge gap at both’s verdicts.

    doug

    July 1, 2016 at 10:17 am

  29. MWA/CWP might be dead but the fucking jobcentre are still trying to flog fucking ‘work experience’. 10 weeks of working for £jack-shit. It is VOLUNTARY unless you “agree” to it. Then it would become MANDATORY with the attendant SANCTIONS. Imagine losing your benefits because of some workfare shit you didn’t have to sign up for in the first place. Be careful these fucking cock roaches are out to trick, deceive and fool! C***S!

    C Reilly

    July 1, 2016 at 11:13 am

  30. Denmark uses controversial ‘jewellery law’ to seize assets from refugees for first time

    ‘It is at a minimum inhumane and degrading to expect asylum seekers and refugees to let go of their treasured belongings irrespective of value,’ United Nations agency says.

    But Danish authorities say the laws are simply applying the same rules to immigrants as already apply to native Danes, who must sell assets worth more than £1,120 (10,000 kroner) before they can receive benefits from the state.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/denmark-jewellery-law-migrants-refugees-asylum-seekers-unhcr-united-nations-a7113056.html

    enigma

    July 1, 2016 at 11:56 am

  31. Osborne abandons 2020 budget surplus target.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36684452

    enigma

    July 1, 2016 at 1:32 pm

  32. Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    July 1, 2016 at 1:43 pm

  33. Thanatos

    July 1, 2016 at 3:51 pm

  34. OT: Your Information and DWP

    Before I get into it – I urge everyone unemployed or on UC to request from DWP a SAR (Standard Access Request) under the Information Act on data held on themselves from any/all sources. This move is to protect yourself from harm via a Sanction you cannot argue against by DWP Managers doing something you are unaware of.

    Well today was interesting in several ways.

    I now know what the next move by these Fraks was going to be to apply a Sanction and it was a sneaky one.

    I have learned that DWPs “Document Repository System” (DRS) [This is the system onto which all documents you supply are scanned and uploaded onto] is completely blank with regards to myself.

    – So, the pre-harassment documents are gone.
    – complaint letters
    – All other information like things about my Doctor/Hospital attendance are gone.
    – Finally there is no trace of my Claimant Commitment. i.e. I do not have one!
    – Oh and nothing about me recording and DWP subsequently sending a letter saying it was illegal.

    To be clear just how serious this is Ms F, you know the one who was unable to explain “If you supply your email job applications we will get you a job” stated that lack of a CC meant that I would be up for a Sanction.

    When I pointed out that other stuff was missing with personal info on it I was told “well I am sure it is not in a place it shouldn’t be” I pointed out that made no sense as it was specifically not in the place it SHOULD be. Got back silence. Question of Sanction was not brought up again. Once again, unique treatment.

    Having been responsible for Inf Act compliance in a official capacity I know how serious this is due to the following : only a senior officer has access to deleting information of this kind and deletion is a criminal offence as it is official data & on top of that a Inf. Act breach. I can only sum this up in one word. Insane.

    Watch your backs people.

    Gazza

    July 1, 2016 at 4:12 pm

    • Realtive has just confirmed only a manager has the authority to delete stuff from DRS.

      Oh oh dearie me…

      Now should I go to the Police or Solicitors? Time to decide…. enie menie miny mo….

      Gazza

      July 1, 2016 at 5:45 pm

    • Claimants DON’T have to allow DWP to copy and retain their work search evidence.

      Its a form of processing and as such comes under DPA in terms of a data subject controlling the flow of their personal and or sensitive data.

      A claimant can reasonably and legally demonstrate compliancy with their CC by JUST presenting for viewing purposes only their work search data for verification. Its utterly pointless to retain such data if DWP cannot legally mandate a claimant to keep the originals. Any meeting their after on such evidence will be biased towards the claimant especially if their CC has changed over time in terms of requirements. A claimant at a time from their past may have been less able at work searching like say no good with computers or unaware as to the extent of the jobs mediums available so in the first instance may have been unaware of some really good jobsite say. Then theirs what was the job market like at the time, how does a claimant explain their wasn’t that many jobs about then, how does he explain the amounts of portals and fakes on UJM and other sites, how does he explain and prove say a DPA disagreement with a jobsite or employer.

      I could go on all day why such retention is pointless BUT I WOULD RATHER SAY,

      a PERSON/CLAIMANT is full within their rights to abstain from such an agreement that cannot be mandated by law without conflicting with another.

      This MEANS as long as you do not consent to it legally at any stage of your claim, DWP cannot insist even through threat of sanction that you comply as viewing said data honors and fulfills the conditions set out by law.

      doug

      July 3, 2016 at 9:28 am

  35. OT: New DWP Email tactic for those not using UJM – its voluntary, not that they are hyping that fact.

    h/t unemploymentmovement

    http://unemploymentmovement.com/forum/job-centre/2795-anyone-heard-of-update-emails-from-dwp.html
    Anyone heard of `update` emails from dwp?

    i.e. your workroach signs you up to receive emails about jobs sent to your personal email inbox.

    How long before you get 500 job adverts and missing one its Sanction time?

    But even though the jobs aren’t suitable they’re just trying to get you into work!

    Gazza

    July 1, 2016 at 4:57 pm

    • My inbox is already being spammed, not by the DWP but by all the job sites I’ve been forced to register with to apply for posts. Universal Jobmatch hardly ever allows you to apply for a job directly; normally you get redirected to another site here you have to register and upload your data to apply for a vacancy. These sites then send you emails listing jobs that, in my case anyway, are too far away to travel to on a daily basis and often that I couldn’t do anyway.

      Best thing to do is to refuse access to your UJM account to the DWP.

      Iris

      July 2, 2016 at 6:39 am

  36. GENEVA (28 June 2016) – The UN Committee on the Economic, Social and Cultural Rights has published its findings on the countries it examined during its 6 to 24 June session in Geneva:

    France, Sweden, Honduras, Burkina Faso, the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Angola and the UK.

    http://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=20191&LangID=E

    enigma

    July 1, 2016 at 5:18 pm

  37. British Gas offers free electricity to smart meter customers at weekends – but households still better off shopping around.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/bills/article-3669709/British-Gas-offers-free-electricity-smart-meter-customers-weekends-households-better-shopping-around.html?ITO=1490

    enigma

    July 1, 2016 at 5:45 pm

  38. OT: Brilliant summing up of Gove and a nod at T May

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/01/michael-gove-treachery-conservative-leader-theresa-may

    In the Tory laundry basket, Michael Gove is the dirtiest item
    Marina Hyde

    [Subtitle says it all]

    Gazza

    July 1, 2016 at 7:17 pm

  39. Man charged over Inverurie work placement death

    A man has been charged after schoolboy on work placement died following an industrial accident in Aberdeenshire.

    Michael McLean, 17, was fatally injured at Denholm Oilfield Services in Inverurie in August last year.

    Michael, from Kincorth in Aberdeen, was on his last day of a summer placement.

    Police Scotland said a 21-year-old man had been charged in relation to the industrial incident, and that a report has been submitted to the procurator fiscal.

    Newshounds

    July 2, 2016 at 4:53 am

  40. Meanwhile, Universal Credit is not the only IT project to have “multiple faults”. Now a £60 Million police computer project is scrapped after failing to deliver:

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/60-million-police-programme-shelved-8328720#AKuXGFgjJTOuyTBe.97

    Liquidator

    July 2, 2016 at 8:00 am

  41. violet

    July 2, 2016 at 11:47 am

  42. Notice how jobcentre cock roaches are adverse to handling brown-stained paper ‘job search diary’. You expect them to put on a pair of those thin plastic gloves. Same with the signing-pen. Look at the bottles of hand-washes and disinfectants those cock roaches have on their desks. You would think their ‘customers’ had the Black Death. At least with ujm they don’t need to handle your shit-encrusted ‘job search diary’. Well, you never know where a shit-stained ‘job search diary’ has been 😉

    Ricin

    July 2, 2016 at 12:19 pm

    • Ricin:

      Tell the JCP – While me and Mi bird was a’ving a shag on the kitchen table, I blew mi load all over mi scribble booklet by accident. – These things happen!

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      July 2, 2016 at 4:50 pm

  43. Thousands at ‘March for Europe’ Brexit protest

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36692990

    enigma

    July 2, 2016 at 12:55 pm

  44. The only person with an actual plan foreward is… and I know most of you won’t like this:

    SNP – Nicola Sturgen MSP.

    Big Bonking Boris – Gone!

    Michael Gove – Backstabber – due to his wife’s influence – do it or else!

    Theresa May – I do the job that’s in front of me – Yeah right sweetheart!

    David Cameron – It didn’t go the way I thought it would – so I’m throwing my dummy out of the pram and taking my bat and ball home! – and who could blame him with such a beautiful wife like Samcam!

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    July 2, 2016 at 3:07 pm

    • Be careful what you wish for! Wee Nicola is a tinpot dictator of megalomaniac proportions with an insatiable thirst for power who rules over a totalitarian country where human and civil rights are non-existent and the kowtowed and subjugated population cower in abject terror under the constant fear and threat of the jack-booted thugs of Police State Scotland.

      Police State Scotland

      July 3, 2016 at 8:50 am

      • Much as I am not exactly fond of her, my dad was Scottish, I feel you are probably underestimating her connection to Lord Voldemort.

        Andrew Coates

        July 3, 2016 at 10:15 am

  45. Jeremy Corbyn: – One song say’s it all, resign or you will be on a…

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    July 2, 2016 at 3:44 pm

  46. Rough sleeping in London ‘reaching crisis proportions’, warns homeless charity.

    A new law aimed at preventing homelessness in England.

    The Homelessness Reduction Bill is supported by Crisis, who have called on MPs from across the political spectrum to add their own support to the Bill.

    The Bill, if passed, will introduce requirements on local authorities to prevent people from becoming homeless, and draws on recommendations from an expert panel of council representatives, lawyers and housing experts.

    http://www.welfareweekly.com/rough-sleeping-in-london-reaching-crisis-proportions-warns-homeless-charity/

    enigma

    July 2, 2016 at 6:45 pm

    • Ah, so it doesn’t help all those already homeless then ?

      Secondly housing benefit is now UC’s problem. Anyway who ever it falls on it will be interesting to see how they propose that, especially in cases where a person is sanctioned, has to wait 7 weeks after signing on or just convicted of benefit fraud to name but a few instances.

      doug

      July 3, 2016 at 9:05 am

      • It seems those who are already homeless have been written off.

        enigma

        July 3, 2016 at 12:26 pm

      • It also contradicts DWP policy to sanction housing benefit.

        doug

        July 3, 2016 at 2:23 pm

      • As you said Doug it will be interesting to see just what they do about it. no more homeless people, no more rough sleeps, we’ll see.

        enigma

        July 3, 2016 at 3:03 pm

  47. Less than a year after the world promised to leave no one behind by signing up to an ambitious 15-year blueprint to end inequality, the UN children’s agency says that 69 million children will die from mostly preventable causes by 2030, and 167 million will be living in extreme poverty, unless world leaders turn rhetoric into reality.

    In its latest State of the World’s Children report, Unicef also says 750 million women will have been married as children by 2030, the date by which the sustainable development goals to tackle poverty and secure the planet’s future are supposed to have been achieved.

    Nearly half of the 69 million children whose deaths the report foresees will be in sub-Saharan Africa, where at least 247 million children – two in every three – are deprived of what they need to survive and develop.

    “Before they draw their first breath, the life chances of poor and excluded children are often being shaped by inequities. Disadvantage and discrimination against their communities and families will help determine whether they live or die, whether they have a chance to learn, and later earn a decent living,” Unicef’s executive director, Anthony Lake, writes in the report.

    https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/jun/28/69m-children-will-die-of-preventable-causes-says-unicef

    enigma

    July 2, 2016 at 6:51 pm

  48. War crimes prosecutors say Tony Blair will not be investigated over Chilcot’s Iraq war report – but British soldiers could be.

    enigma

    July 2, 2016 at 8:44 pm

    • You when you just see light at the end of the tunnel, still teflon Blair remains at large.

      I don’t mince words here when i say its only right as a demonstration to all powers in the world of what happens that Blair and Bush are prosecuted and imprisoned.

      Hopefully now Hillary is being interviewed by the FBI, she to will be indicted to as shes no better.

      doug

      July 4, 2016 at 10:16 am

  49. The home secretary, who is the frontrunner in the race to succeed David Cameron as prime minister, said the rights of EU citizens already living in the UK, and those of Brits abroad, would have to be dealt with as part of any Brexit negotiations, but she said she hoped they would be secure.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/03/theresa-may-europeans-uk-brexit-brits-abroad

    enigma

    July 3, 2016 at 3:19 pm

  50. Kids aren’t doing it for themselves.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/02/tory-tax-benefit-plans-generation-divide

    Remember when i said no to a second referendum on grounds its undemocratic but if people took to the streets i would support a revolution of sorts ?

    Well with a aging population who’s scales in time to come not to distant will lean heavily towards the older adults as the largest group, its time our youth did get productive as EU or not, our youth is being used but not rewarded and that’s simply not fair.

    Under this government alone already any under 25 are subjected to no housing or unemployment assistance despite having to work for a miserly sum per hour. If studying and not government approved, know only their first steps in to adulthood as ones of accumulating debt. They are to put no finer word to it,societies financial mauls and its just plain wrong.

    doug

    July 4, 2016 at 10:34 am

  51. Spared jail, what a spin.

    http://www.expressandstar.com/news/crime/2016/07/04/benefits-fraud-carer-spared-jail-after-falsely-claiming-15k/

    Another case of benefit fraud, another case of spin.

    For starters it was over 4 years meaning this person only defrauded around £3’687 in any one year which is less than unemployment benefit. As for spared while i wouldn’t imagine a judge would necessarily care in the duty of what their about, prison costs money, a great deal of money meaning to punish this person by locking them up would mean the taxpayer would have to foot over 6 times a much per year they spend in jail.

    So the only one spared here is the taxpayer, not the convicted.

    doug

    July 4, 2016 at 10:41 am

    • Oh and yet again this person who committed the act did so cleanly and clearly while under the TORIES revamp of benefit fraud system that seems to now encourage even more fraud it would appear looking at court records and other source material.

      Also worthy of note is this person it seems again has no prior criminal past on record, nothing to explain where such an action would come from other than to say this person was struggling to live and support themselves.

      Carers generally average £7.20 to £8.45 an hour dependent on qualifications and experience and as your see if you investigate most position are on a pro rata basis, meaning PART TIME.
      Now its said the average person earns £20’000 per annum but in the care industry your make if lucky excluding non contracted hours £16’500 per year despite having a duty of care (legally responsible for their patients welfare while present).

      In other words if you work behind a desk doing admin and mess up, your could get sacked, mess up as a carer and you could end up in court and worse still prison. Don’t you think such a risk deserves a reward ?

      doug

      July 4, 2016 at 11:03 am

      • Pamela Green had no criminal past court confirms.

        http://www.halesowennews.co.uk/news/blackcountry/14596340.-/

        The end judges phrase ,”of previous good character” means no criminal past, no criminal record.

        NOTICE HOW the previous news report i gave on it elected to leave out that part of the judges speech mentioning such ?

        doug

        July 4, 2016 at 11:20 am

  52. OT: Farage Resigns UKIP Leadership (but will no doubt suck as much personal claimwise out of EU as possible)

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36702468
    UKIP leader Nigel Farage stands down

    Nigel Farage says he is standing down as leader of the UK Independence Party following the UK’s vote to leave the EU.

    ME: I don’t like PigCammie but his resigning has really fraked things up for the Leave camp.
    Stay – won’t like eu but it won’t hurt financially/economically
    Leave – you caused it and I set a trap in that we are not prepared for leaving. Enjoy. Cherrio.

    Gazza

    July 4, 2016 at 11:03 am

    • Oh and this is to try and get Gove in by putting distance between Gove and UKIP backing Leave group

      Gazza

      July 4, 2016 at 11:07 am

      • No matter how we slice and dice, we ultimately are going to end up with someone we don’t like i suspect, a Tory whose only interest is misplaced faith in free market capitalism and the desires of the elite.

        doug

        July 4, 2016 at 11:14 am

    • Ive just got to ask,

      Is everyone bored of this brexit stuff, all this who will be next leader, who resigned from what party.

      We didn’t have this much flim flam when it was about Scotland’s independents. Surely what matters for us all now is where we go from here be it diamonds and pearls or bread and water.

      Ive moved away from its political spectrum besides proposed legislation and firmly started concentrating on finance and economics as that will be pinnacle for us all working or not. Ive also started looking at relations to sort of see where we might indeed end up trading wise but i wont be voicing it i suspect as it is my own speculation after all which i’m sure people don’t want to here when shall we say less concrete.

      doug

      July 4, 2016 at 11:12 am

      • It is going on & on isn’t it, what’s ahead for us?

        enigma

        July 4, 2016 at 12:53 pm

    • And there’s more – and this might explain why things have fallen apart with Leave Group and specifically Boris/Gove.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36700350
      “Mishcon de Reya, lawyers acting for a group of business people and academics, said it would be unlawful for a prime minister to trigger Article 50 without a full debate and vote in Parliament.”

      Basically, PM cannot just stand up and declare BritExit via EU Exit article – has to be an act of parliment. Herding Cats anyone?

      So more chaos to come as the drip drip of the full impact of Leave emerges as against the expression of the Will of the BritExit to leave.

      Difficult one to call this one.

      Gazza

      July 4, 2016 at 11:16 am

      • Parliament cant knock down the referendum vote, that’s unlawful. They can however delay progress as all they can really decide is whether or not the article 50 is triggered correctly and favorably.

        Again it would be undemocratic to overrule the public’s decision be it wrong or right.

        All this just shows is how petty we have become as a society.

        doug

        July 4, 2016 at 11:24 am

      • doug/and All others

        Question on WP & its replacement.

        UK now in Freeze due to vote – any projects that have been given the ok are due to continue to completion.

        However does anyone know if WP & its replacement had its funding okayed before the vote?
        I do not remember seeing anything about that, especially as its replacement is/was at the definition stage.

        If that is correct WP just took another knock as I understand EU provided 1/3rd of its funding. If this is correct the current £350Mil is now down to £220/240Mil.

        I am left wondering what else that the EU was quietly funding which is also going to be effected.

        Gazza

        July 4, 2016 at 2:47 pm

      • Looks like things will continue at least for now.

        EU budget: the post-Brexit challenges for London and Brussels

        http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/84cba658-3eda-11e6-9f2c-36b487ebd80a.html#axzz4DS1Jf1p1

        enigma

        July 4, 2016 at 3:02 pm

  53. Life Chances Fund,’ transforming lives across the UK. work & health programme coming soon.

    drug and alcohol dependency
    children’s services
    early years
    young people
    older people’s services
    healthy lives

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/80-million-boost-for-life-chances-fund-to-transform-lives-across-the-uk

    enigma

    July 4, 2016 at 12:40 pm

  54. Many more thinking about independence.

    Texas nationalists look to the Brexit vote for inspiration. Why not Texit?

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/19/texas-secession-movement-brexit-eu-referendum

    Would California be more successful as an independent country rather than as a state?

    https://www.quora.com/Would-California-be-more-successful-as-an-independent-country-rather-than-as-a-state

    enigma

    July 4, 2016 at 2:35 pm

  55. Radiohead

    July 4, 2016 at 4:23 pm

    • “rather than recriminating about what is past, we should be looking to the future. “We find ourselves in a new world”, he writes. “Why not make the best of it?”

      What kind of future are human beings (the majority) headed for.

      A world where humans & machines snooping on other humans on a massive scale & the changing of human rights.

      Make the best of it!

      enigma

      July 4, 2016 at 4:47 pm

      • But the digital age on the other hand allows us the opportunity to do the same and worse back at them. No longer is an atom bomb or chemical warfare required to bring down a country.

        That is the reality, that is why the concept of democracy is questioned in all governments as their weapon is also our weapon now wars are thought with brains not brawn if one wishes to succeed.

        doug

        July 4, 2016 at 7:13 pm

  56. The results of Sats tests taken in primary schools in England, due to be published on Tuesday, should not be compared with previous years, says Education Secretary Nicky Morgan.

    The tests have been made tougher and Mrs Morgan says lower results should not be interpreted as a decline in performance by pupils.

    “They simply cannot be compared directly,” says Mrs Morgan.

    Heads have called for this year’s test results not to be published.

    Mrs Morgan’s warning comes in advance of the publication of results from Sats tests taken by 11-year-olds, which this year have been made more difficult and based on a new curriculum.

    “I expect critics of the new primary curriculum will be quick to try and suggest that any lower results are evidence of a failure of the system,” says Mrs Morgan.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36703784

    enigma

    July 4, 2016 at 8:18 pm

  57. OT: UC is truly a wonderful thing

    h/t: Refuted

    DSCHBACH
    ‏@DSCHBACH
    Got 1st Universal Credit payment through today. 1 penny. A SINGLE PENNY.

    Gazza

    July 4, 2016 at 8:40 pm

    • Back in the day you could have bought a penny chew with that 🙂 But penny chews are like 25p these days! Wonder why they are still called “penny chews” 😀

      Sweet Tooth

      July 4, 2016 at 10:55 pm

  58. 👿 ££s 😀 😀 😀 😀 ££s 👿

    The Blair Rich Project

    July 4, 2016 at 10:52 pm

  59. Sanctions don’t have a positive impact.

    Well if they looked at what they actually sanction people for im sure they would figure out WHY. People are late by five minutes all day everyday working or not so how can one expect a person to learn a lesson absolute millions in the UK do every single day in the workplace.

    Then theirs not enough work search evidence. Well this is a classic case of, “how long is a piece of string” as trully you cant put a level on it.

    Then theirs not attending government schemes. Well it was obvious from flexi new deals outcomes under labour that these schemes just keep the employment sector going but not those who walk through their doors. As a contrast claimants who enroll in a part time college course not government approved have a extremely low attendance rate and even then its the odd day and not the downward spiral we see on government schemes.

    At the end of the day all sanctions do is cause hate and dispondent behavior towards DWP, the complete opposite of what Tories claim they want.

    Keep nudging government as i suspect it wont be to long before a DWP worker get seriously hurt or god forbid loses their life in a American still assassination such as that, that befell MP Cox.

    They say DWP workers are also subject to the same sanctions who claim UC, i wonder how attentive they will be if sanctioned ?

    doug

    July 5, 2016 at 8:48 am

    • But sanctions do have a positive impact. on gov’s point of view.

      enigma

      July 5, 2016 at 10:56 am

      • Gives them something to fall back on in labeling groups of people,the attacks continue but so does the decline.

        At this stage I would rather be from Mainland Europe rather then being tied to whats happening here at the moment its utterly shameful,moving countries to find work is not an easy thing to do,people have brought skills and trades to work here they can hold up their heads’.

        ken

        July 8, 2016 at 9:50 pm

    • Homelessness & suicides, money saved, sure is positive for them.

      enigma

      July 5, 2016 at 1:26 pm

    • DWP: “Whilst you are out of work we expect you do do all you can do to find work”

      String Theory

      July 5, 2016 at 1:29 pm

      • Yep. Using your own ingenuity, computer, internet connection, stationary, stamps, phone and paying for your own transport. How are you supposed to do this on the dole, especially if you’re hit by the Bedroom Tax and have to pay 25% of your Council Tax.

        Paraphrase: “Whilst you are out of work we (DWP) will you do do all we can to help you find work”

        Give us some more money then so we can afford to actively look for work in the manner demanded.

        The DWP makes it as hard as possible to look for work and then sanctions you if you don’t look for work as diligently as demanded. Set up to fail we fail and fall in droves. What a truly hellish regime we live under.

        Iris

        July 5, 2016 at 2:37 pm

      • Actually Iris although DWP dont care to mention it but their are funds to help pay for the travel cost to an interview BUT not if its local as in same place as the DWP your applying to.

        As long as you printout the employers interview date letter as proof, also printout the cost of travel, technically DWP has to award you the fare. I wont kid you though, its still like extracting teeth.

        doug

        July 5, 2016 at 2:54 pm

      • Well, in that case we are interviewing for staff here in Barbados 🙂

        Sunshine Island Resorts

        July 5, 2016 at 3:50 pm

      • You won’t get a job – we GUARANTEE that – but at least you will get a trip to Barbados at the DWP’s expense 😀

        Sunshine Island Resorts

        July 5, 2016 at 3:52 pm

      • PS “Interviews” last as long as you want 🙂 so plenty of time for sight-seeing 😀

        Sunshine Island Resorts

        July 5, 2016 at 3:58 pm

  60. Hillary Clinton tries to brand Trump as anti semitic

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-36710783

    The only problem with that is neither know what their talking about.

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=nazi+jew+symbols&view=detailv2&&id=AF874B270857A7687EF47CC84A38388FD572185B&selectedIndex=38&ccid=UZgIFD0W&simid=608023123701925712&thid=OIP.M519808143d1673e023ba0198cca52193o0&ajaxhist=0

    As you can see a red star most certainly does not mean anything regarding the Jewish prisoners of war in WW2. I say neither knows what their talking about as neither just simply pulled up a chart like this used to label prisoners of war which as you can see was most certainly not just the reserve of the Jewish community at the time.

    It obvious in this case Hillary desperate to shed her dodgy deals while in office, voter fraud, internet and media rigging and of course the email scandal and the death of Americans in Benghazi.

    doug

    July 5, 2016 at 9:16 am

  61. Suburban families are trapped in poverty as benefit claims rise and job opportunities dwindle outside rich city centres

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3674738/Suburban-families-trapped-poverty-benefit-claims-rise-job-opportunities-dwindle-outside-rich-city-centres.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

    NO, REALLY, I WONDER HOW THAT HAPPENED ?

    doug

    July 5, 2016 at 9:42 am

    • doug

      if things are bad now how will things look after the changes to Tax Credits/UC etc pushed by GidIdiot start to bite?

      Gazza

      July 5, 2016 at 10:49 am

      • Well its a double edge sword as in the case of London by insuring those living outside cant secure work, government insures the capital has low to mid skill workers to service the highly qualified.
        Its only natural when living in an area that you would look for work in said area to lower work costs. This would surely cripple London but then again its long over dew the elite wiped their own backsides.

        Government will i suspect only concentrate on areas that don’t effect large cities meaning their probably do bugger all.

        Its not usual for me to make much of think tanks but their research is quite correct.Government hide truths in only showing averages of the whole country as though it was one but do your homework and your see much of what they say actually doesn’t hold up to the light, a truth i just wish the public would wake up to.

        doug

        July 5, 2016 at 12:11 pm

    • Another intervention needed, as if we didn’t know what this will involve.

      enigma

      July 5, 2016 at 10:52 am

    • Brexit could see UK’s poorest regions lose almost £9bn in crucial funding.

      http://www.welfareweekly.com/brexit-could-see-uks-poorest-regions-lose-almost-9bn-in-crucial-funding/

      enigma

      July 5, 2016 at 11:50 am

      • enigma

        the key quote is “existing EU grants”, which is why I was wondering about WP and its replacement. If they are not currently funded they’re sunk. There was a report on BBC about research grants that are in the pipeline and confirmed – those will be funded to their end date. Anything not funded is dead in the water.

        Gazza

        July 5, 2016 at 12:02 pm

    • & less food is coming into the local food bank, we can expect the same thing happening throughout the UK & the rest of the world.

      enigma

      July 5, 2016 at 11:59 am

      • Thank fuck for beanz and toast 😀

        The Farter Family

        July 5, 2016 at 1:24 pm

  62. OT: BritExit & Your Rights

    Relevant bits as no one seemed to have spotted this/pointed it out.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36705580

    EU Laws/Rules:
    In order to scrap EU laws before Brexit the UK could repeal the European Communities Act 1972. But Prof Mark Elliott, a constitutional law expert at Cambridge University, says to do so “would risk legal chaos by placing the British and EU legal regimes on a collision course with one another prior to the UK’s having extricated itself, as a matter of international law, from the EU legal order”

    ECHR Law:
    UK law provides enough human rights protection for UK citizens, doesn’t it?
    Brexit does not mean withdrawing from the European Convention on Human Rights – the fundamental rights law enforced by the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) in Strasbourg. The ECHR is not an EU institution, so Brexit does not affect it.
    And the convention has legal force in the UK through the 1998 Human Rights Act.
    There is a move in the Conservative Party to replace that act with a new Bill of Rights. That would be complicated, however, because the rights guaranteed under the convention are also written into the Good Friday Agreement for Northern Ireland. That agreement underpins the Northern Ireland peace process.

    ME: The important bit is the fact it is part of the Northern Ireland Agreement – not very likely even these nutters would negate it (then if you had Herr Idiot Smith in charge anything is possible I would freely admit)…

    EU Working Laws/Rules:
    Various EU rights – such as the Working Time Directive, stipulating working hours and time off – are already enshrined in UK law. But they could be scrapped after Brexit.

    Fundamental Rights:
    The Charter of Fundamental Rights, attached to the EU treaties, would no longer apply to UK citizens.
    Prof Douglas-Scott says “all Charter rights are currently effective in the UK”, despite a UK opt-out from the Charter’s fourth section, called “Solidarity”, which deals with workers’ rights. That opt-out was found to be ineffective, she told the BBC.
    She says the UK Human Rights Act (HRA) “would not be an adequate replacement for the Charter”.
    “The Charter contains 47 rights – which is about three-and-a-half times as many rights as the HRA. So all those other rights would be lost,” she said.

    I am putting this out there as I am Disabled so have a keen interest in this.

    Gazza

    July 5, 2016 at 12:26 pm

    • Referring to the information on benefit rights being handed out, one of the disgruntled jobcentre workers said: “Are those leaflets for us as well? Because we’re on low wages as well. I work 16 hours a week. They’re coming for us next. We’re the next to be sanctioned, when we’re all moved onto Universal Credit.”

      She added: “At least we’re going to be allowed to go to another jobcentre [from the one they work at] to be sanctioned. Isn’t that lovely?”

      A spokesperson for the Department for Work and Pensions confirmed that DWP staff transferring over to Universal Credit will be treated no differently from existing claimants. “UC claimants who work at the DWP will get the same support as everyone else,”

      ROFL

      Another Fine Recession

      July 5, 2016 at 9:16 pm

  63. Decadence at its best, are you seeing what im saying yet ?

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/mother-of-five-denies-urinating-on-war-memorial-on-081211219.html

    Or would you like me to tell you about road rage is up,street fights are up,criminal damage is up.

    The death of MP Cox should serve as a wake up call to decadence but as usual its business as usual and no one sees the pattern.

    doug

    July 5, 2016 at 2:48 pm

    • Yep, more & more people are getting angry by the day.

      enigma

      July 5, 2016 at 4:27 pm

    • A 37-year-old man is facing jail after he admitted threatening to kill Labour MP Ben Bradshaw, the day before Jo Cox was murdered.

      https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/05/man-geoffrey-farquharson-admits-threatening-kill-labour-ben-bradshaw

      enigma

      July 5, 2016 at 4:35 pm

    • Millions of working Americans feel they are destined for the scrapheap, discarded, despised, neglected. We saw how they need nothing more than a big Trumpian wave of the hand to imagine it is possible to get rid of all that is pressing them down and once again hope for the future. It’s so totally understandable that they want that hope.

      Things have got so bad for the bottom end of society that they feel free in Janis Joplin’s and Nikos Kazantzakis’ sense: Freedom as another word for nothing left to lose. Indeed, they are prepared to lose whatever they are left with if they can, in the process, express their rage by voting for someone who will piss off those they consider responsible for their loss of control.

      It’s a revolution all right, but not as we know it, not the one we wanted or envisaged.

      The facts are simple but have never really been stated simply: For the past three decades, 80% of the people are taken to the cleaners 95% of the time by the top 20% of society. Since the mid-1970s, once the first post-war capitalist phase ended (with the collapse of the New Deal-inspired Bretton Woods system), those relying on wage income to live have fallen off the escalator. Most of the gains from technology, productivity, globalisation, have gone to the top 1% and none to the bottom 80%. People can put up with poverty, but not with humiliation – not with having their noses rubbed in their poverty by people in yachts, golf clubs and Mercedes Benzes, telling them that their poverty is self-inflicted.

      https://diem25.org/a-painful-lesson-from-brexit-why-diem25-needs-a-simpler-message/

      enigma

      July 5, 2016 at 6:29 pm

      • And to think its still continuing despite Clinton admitting his welfare reform back in the day simply just didn’t work.

        doug

        July 6, 2016 at 8:11 am

  64. enigma

    July 5, 2016 at 4:43 pm

  65. May tops first Tory vote but Fox out

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36718196

    enigma

    July 5, 2016 at 5:35 pm

  66. And Crabb is out!

    h/t: refuted

    bbc.in/264XBZu

    Why an I not surprised – crawling for his next post, upwards and onwards I go!!!
    Home Office perhaps?

    Gazza

    July 5, 2016 at 9:37 pm

  67. uh uh Gov (& CrabbFace) being sneaky methinks on Sanctions – Doubling Length from reading the Amendements

    h/t: Refuted

    ww.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/678/made

    For JSA/ESA/UC
    What was 1st sanction of 2 weeks becomes 13 weeks
    what was 13 weeks becomes 156 weeks
    156 weeks remains unchanged.

    Am I reading this wrong?

    Gazza

    July 5, 2016 at 9:50 pm

    • Looks like ESA and UC Sanction Period is reduced not increased as appears to be the case of JSA. Odd, maybe a way of forcing people off JSA?

      Gazza

      July 5, 2016 at 9:53 pm

      • & stating next month. when is the next change?

        enigma

        July 5, 2016 at 10:35 pm

      • That was so made i reckon in desperation in the wake of the brexit vote as its exactly Monday morning, a mere single weekend after the brexit vote and Camerons resignation.

        We knew cutting benefit amounts generally was never going to be accepted what with the service already cut to the bone so it would appear on the surface anyway that if sanctions increased that government would indeed make a sizable saving.

        PREEMPTIVE WARNING TO ALL CLAIMANTS: Ignore the signs saying no recording and treat all advisor/work coaches including providers as UNDER SUSPICION OF FRAUD AND ABUSE OF POWER AND POSITION. DWP employees lose all rights to privacy under the data protection meaning you are free to record without their LEGAL CONSENT meaning the claimant does not have to inform the employee that they are being recorded when under such a suspicion of a crime as is titled in part 4, section 29 part 1 of the DPA.

        It is ESSENTIAL in the interim to record inorder to protect yourself from false claims made by advisors/work coaches that you are not honoring your CC. It matters NOT if you covertly record or announce you will record as DWP even if they decline your recording equipment MUST MAKE AVAILABLE A RECORD SESSION IF A CLAIMANT DESIRES IT.

        PERSONALLY I RECOMMEND COVERTLY RECORDING AS THIS WILL ALLOW ALL OF US TO PREVENT CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR BY OUTING DWP EMPLOYEES AS AND WHEN THEY TRY TO DECEIVE CLAIMANTS.

        Also if a sanction is instigated get in document form the advisors/work coaches answer to the question of.

        EVENTS LEADING UP TO SANCTION as its simply not enough for a advisor/work coach to state only for instance a failure to look for and apply for work.

        doug

        July 6, 2016 at 9:26 am

      • doug/others

        I think you will all find the following useful regarding recordings – this is from a legal opinion I have.

        denial of legality of abilty to record by dwp/any other organisation.

        As Doug indicated above, take what he has written as correct.

        DWP/ATOS(any one else, police even) etc has however been known to say you are breaching the human rights act. This Legally this is not the case:

        “There are two ways in which human rights are applied by the Human Rights Act 1998.

        Firstly, the duty to observe the articles of the convention under the Act only applies directly to public bodies; so it might be wrong for a public authority to tape a conversation, but it would not be wrong under the Act for an individual to do so.

        Secondly, in any legal proceedings the courts are required to observe the principles of the Convention. So it has been possible, for example, for individuals to sue newspapers for breach of privacy.

        Article 8, the right to respect for private and family life, would be relevant. However, the taping of the conversation by the individual would not be a breach of the Act under the first point above,. For the second point above there would need to be a way of brining proceedings against the individual. As I mentioned previously, there is a obligation of confidence [if an employee] and if there appears to be a breach of that, then an injuction can be applied for and in priniciples of article 8 would be relevant to those proceedings. But you would have to consider what aspect of the Employers private or family life was damaged – and just asking that question makes it clear that it would be very difficult for the employer, if say a public body, to allege a breach of Article 8.

        It seems to me therefore that there is very unlikely to be a breach of human rights in this taping by the individual.”

        Gazza

        July 6, 2016 at 2:45 pm

      • I’m on it, if only everyone was..

        enigma

        July 6, 2016 at 3:42 pm

      • But I’ll inform others.

        enigma

        July 6, 2016 at 4:38 pm

      • I really don’t see whats to get Enigma (i don’t me you personally) as between me,you,Gazza and hosts upon hosts of other people DWP HAVE NO LEGAL STANDING ON THE MATTER besides

        protecting claimants data and data about employees not relevant in the course of their duty like say their payroll number for instance.

        NOW what an employee does for a living while in employee so for instance your meeting with them, does not give them any rights to privacy whats so ever ever. However under law they must protect your right to privacy.

        Ive said this enough times as has others,

        NO BUSINESS, ORGANIZATION, GOVERNMENT, CORPORATION, PUBLIC BODY AND THE LIKES NOR EMPLOYEE OF CAN HAVE NO EXPECTATION TO THE RIGHT OF PRIVACY WHILE IN THE COURSE OF THEIR BUSINESS AND ANY JUDGE WILL TELL YOU THIS.

        ONLY in certain cases is this different like say for instance MI5 as it would defeat the object to name their employees if say out in the field.

        I offer an open invitation for any claimant to recite WORD FOR WORD exactly what a DWP person said as regards their right to privacy. BUT if all they say is “i have a right to privacy” that is not enough as all that does is talk about a law/regulation/act, it is not exercising or reciting it like say when a person is arrested for instance or is being formally charged.

        Then if a claimant can produce this as i described i can say whether or not it holds any legal basis whats so ever AND AS I ALWAYS DO will explain it from A to Z.

        By forcing DWP to explain the reasoning behind exercising privacy your probably find as is always often the case if it has any legal merit that DWP have lied or attempted to in order to make it so just like they do when the kid every claimant into believing they must sign up to UJM.

        doug

        July 6, 2016 at 5:46 pm

      • Sorry Doug what I meant was I am recording everything, not just in the obvious but elsewhere too. many recordings may just appear in the right place in the not too far future.

        enigma

        July 6, 2016 at 6:23 pm

      • enigma – I record from before I step in, to the time I step out. I would not put it past DWP to ambush you on your way out. It has been known to happen according to my relative.

        Gazza

        July 6, 2016 at 7:25 pm

      • I’ll be watching for it, thanks Gazza.

        enigma

        July 6, 2016 at 7:30 pm

      • Cock roaches watch you leave the job centre from upstairs windows…. 😉

        iSpy

        July 6, 2016 at 10:21 pm

      • Although you would be hard pressed to prove it, watching you after a meeting has concluded is a breach of the data protection act and article 8 unless they can prove exemption LIKE SUSCIPION OF FRAUD for instance.

        DWP or any business can ONLY process your personal and or sensitive data that’s relative to the process of issuing benefits. SO that means only at arranged meetings be they DWP or provider. What you do when you conclude such a meeting is your own private affair and NOT COVERED under the data policy or conditions agreement you made (unless you legally consented to it) with them.

        The only way to know for sure if they do record what they see when you leave is to hand in an FOI but rather than be generic and say all, explain what you mean by all data otherwise DWP will mislead you like they do in so many FOI responses by choosing their words carefully as so to speak.

        The thing is , is to not let DWP hide behind a suspicion of fraud as it has to be documented or is baseless (so you cant retain it in ones physical memory) or better put HEAR SAY. By not allowing DWP room to breath you force them to bring it out into the open which means its now up to them to prove your guilt, not you your innocence (called the presumption of innocence). If they have no basis, they have to drop it and destroy all relevant data surrounding it as the exemption no longer covers it.

        DWP DONT have any legal right what’s so ever to monitor you between meetings hence why for instance its up to the claimant to provide their work evidence. Without good cause its an evasion of privacy, its as simple as that.

        doug

        July 7, 2016 at 11:10 am

  68. Brexit: Will the EU make a shameless bid to use Article 7 to force Britain out?

    COULD the EU trigger Article 7 to strong-arm Britain if the UK refuses to start formal Brexit talks as soon as possible?

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/686020/Brexit-will-EU-use-Article-7-force-Britain-out-European-Union-delay-Article-50-referendum

    Desert Island,now reality sets in with this rag calling it shameless to “force Britain out”?

    ken

    July 5, 2016 at 11:13 pm

  69. Ode to the EU

    ‘Won’t you join our Common Market?’ said the spider to the fly, ‘It really is a winner and the cost is not too high’ ‘I know De Gaulle said ’’ Non’’, but he’d not got a clue, ‘We want you in, my friends, for we have plans for you. ‘You’ll have to pay a little more than we do, just for now, ‘As Herr Kohl said, and I agree, we need a new milch cow, ‘It’s just a continental term, believe me , mon ami, ‘Like ‘’Vive la France’’ or ‘’Mad Anglais’’; or even ‘’E.E.C.’’. ‘As to the rules, don’t worry friend, there’s really but a few ‘You’ll find that we ignore them – but they all apply to you. ‘Give and share between us, that’s what it’s all about, ‘You do all the giving, and we all share it out. ‘It’s very British, is it not, to help a friend in need? ‘You’ve done it twice in two World Wars, a fact we must concede, ‘So climb aboard the Market Train, don’t sit there on the side, ‘Your continental cousins want to take you for a ride’

    Spider and the Fly

    July 6, 2016 at 6:01 am

  70. Johnny void complains about Christian treatment of LGBT but has no problem with Muslim murder of LGBT (he deletes posts criticising Islam)

    John Smith

    July 6, 2016 at 6:32 am

    • The Void doesn’t approve of criticism of religions but does approve of the criticism of religious people who do irreligious and nasty things. There are LGBT people who are practising Christians and the vast majority of Christians are not disdainful of the LGBT community. The current Pope recently made a conciliatory speech about homosexuality. Bad people, whatever their religion, deserved to be exposed, challenged, and to be held to account but religions shouldn’t be tarred with the same brush as violent or deranged people who claim to be members of those religions.

      A relatively small number of Christians, Muslims and Jews are wicked.

      Most are not.

      Attack these individuals mercilessly, not the religions they say they belong to.

      Iris

      July 6, 2016 at 6:51 am

  71. So true

    Violet

    July 6, 2016 at 8:16 am

    • Theres a lot of nastiness out there,resentment intolerence and hatred has been in the headlines much more in the past week since this “exit”,although this has been happening for some considerable time.

      Racisim is fed from the same bigotry and ofen not far behind also,resentment and jealousy are happening daily where people live against those they choose to pick on.The worring point is that these views and ideas of these sects have a foothold in a government and becoming evermore rightwing and dangerous mainstream,then anyone can find themselves at the end of hate crime.

      The UK is searching for its status in the world,sadly it has very little in globalisation terms its not in a strong position,its being milked by foreign ownership,has severe skills shortages no major manufacturing and sufferd years of decline and investment.Germany has the quality the UK has lost that. weather it likes it or not it will always be part of a jigsaw.

      ken

      July 6, 2016 at 5:26 pm

  72. National Front (FN) leader Marine Le Pen & a possible ref on EU.

    Brexit a double-edged sword for France’s National Front.

    “If the chaos we are witnessing in the UK at the moment makes others think twice about leaving, that is not a bad thing,” an aide to German Chancellor Angela Merkel told Reuters

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-lepen-analysis-idUKKCN0ZM0BP

    enigma

    July 6, 2016 at 9:00 am

  73. DWP employee caught with fingers in the cookie jar

    http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/14599977.Benefits_worker_is_held_over_claims_she_tampered_with_claims_to_steal_money/

    It does not happen often but yet again we see DWP employees abusing their position yet again.

    Now you read a benefit fraud article and the papers cant sensationalize the amount enough YET HERE, we are offered no amount to which this DWP employee stole and HOW LONG it had been going on. I can let it go for now as shes only been busted BUT i will be keeping an eye on this paper to make sure this DWP employee enjoys the same sensationalization that benefit fraudster currently receive.

    doug

    July 6, 2016 at 11:32 am

    • Keep us posted on this please Doug.

      enigma

      July 6, 2016 at 3:50 pm

    • This is very interesting.

      how many years was this going on? How comes DWP publicly claims that information is wiped after a certain period of time, which runs counter for the need to be able to check for fraud etc, and bring charges if the evidence emerges at a later date – even years later? Yet when public/claimants request said data they are told it does not exist?

      Strange that.

      Gazza

      July 6, 2016 at 4:54 pm

      • Gazza did you sort your situation out regarding your info.

        enigma

        July 6, 2016 at 6:28 pm

      • enigma

        my info? Nope – it will get interesting real quick as we are now definitely in the Highly Illegal Zone [Police/Equality Commission/ICO/MPs/Papers etc].

        Papers/MPs – Pressure; Police Fraud against me & Abuse of Power ; Equalty for direct discrim & Threats & very pointed questions concerning others ; ICO same as for Equality.

        I am undecided as to which string to pull to cause the maximum amount of pain, like they did me – I am due compensation and it an’t going to be no measly hundreds if I have anything to do with it.

        Treasury Solicitors if they see my name will scream out loud.

        Gazza

        July 6, 2016 at 7:20 pm

      • Good luck to you which ever path you take.

        enigma

        July 7, 2016 at 10:25 am

  74. Firefighters teams up with charity to help rough sleepers in Penzance

    http://www.falmouthpacket.co.uk/news/14601049.Firefighters_teams_up_with_charity_to_help_rough_sleepers_in_Penzance/

    WHY have the public workers got to do the job our government consistently fails to do ?

    doug

    July 6, 2016 at 11:37 am

  75. Clinton and Bush dragged us into an illegal war, Hillary allowed Americans to die, ignored government computer protocol and committed voter fraud and the list goes on from government to government.

    It appears to me enough is enough and that peace CAN NEVER REIGN while we the citizens of the world allow such governments be it deliberate or otherwise to make decisions for us that only serve to create even more instability.

    If the whole world really wanted peace, really wanted to stem the tide of wild sporadic killings like Orlando or even that of MP Cox, then each respective countries citizens would demand their country stop the production of weapons that not only deal the death we are lied about to but would also prevent such weapons that as we speak routinely end up in the hands of madmen,murders and terrorists.

    LETS TAKE BACK OUR RESPECTIVE COUNTRIES PEOPLE BEFORE OUR GOVERNMENTS TAKE US.

    doug

    July 6, 2016 at 11:47 am

  76. Who’s going to pick the strawberries?

    According to Adam Corlett, an economic analyst at the Resolution Foundation, the decision to leave the EU “could force many companies to fundamentally rethink their business models, particularly those reliant on migrant workers who might not be so readily available in the future”.

    http://www.personneltoday.com/hr/fewer-migrant-workers-to-mean-greater-automation-argues-think-tank/

    ken

    July 6, 2016 at 4:56 pm

    • According to Iain Duncan Smith our own unemployed will fill the gap, although, for instance, how in hell somebody on Universal Credit is London would be able to take up casual agricultural work in Cornwall is a mystery. The heaviest areas of unemployment are urban not rural so how farmers are going to recruit the labour they need from our home grown jobless is a mystery.

      Iris

      July 7, 2016 at 7:39 am

      • Iris, see Bob the builders comment above.

        enigma

        July 7, 2016 at 8:53 am

  77. ‘Top universities to offer full degrees online in five years’.

    Prof Koller says online degrees can be “more affordable and accessible”.?

    In terms of supervising exams for distance learners, she said that webcams are “surprisingly hard to beat”.

    “Many working adults have obligations, they have a job, a family, a mortgage, !!

    Coursera has announced a partnership with the US State Department to help “refugees” to access online courses to improve their job chances,

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36703778

    enigma

    July 6, 2016 at 7:20 pm

    • My bet would be that only the wealthy will be able to afford things like this; the Open University already charges thousands and thousands for a series of its courses.

      Iris

      July 7, 2016 at 7:35 am

  78. Not quite Iris as statistically and i did point this out about a think tank post i gave, unemployment is higher in suburban areas than cities. Suburban areas sit squarely next to rural areas and sadly do fall within the 90 min travel rule.

    doug

    July 7, 2016 at 11:16 am

    • I’ve always wondered how somebody on the minimum wage could afford to travel for 90 minutes a day to work and back on public transport. Do bus and train services really exist which could take people in cities out into the heart of the country to do farm work and similar? I can’t help but think that there can’t be too many people who easily get to isolated farms in the countryside on buses, let alone trains with all the branch lines closed. Some probably could to some location but surely, in general, travel like that would be too expensive and impossible in most circumstances. A job 90 minutes away might as well be in Australia if you have no reliable means to get to it.

      Iris

      July 7, 2016 at 3:50 pm

      • Iris, its an age old profession that’s often organized by agencies who meet workers at the local town to the farm and ferry them their. Usually they hire some retired person to drive them although i have seen farmers themselves or one of the main farm hands run a van also.

        I know a min wage worker traveling 90 min isn’t worth it but DWP as you know don’t care. Employers are not stupid though and often wont hire a person who travels that far for a low paid job knowing theirs no longevity in it as the individual would in short time find a job closer to home. On top if it was me even though i pride myself on being always early, i wouldn’t lose any sleep if say i missed my train or it got delayed, all things an employer don’t want hence often only hiring local or near.

        doug

        July 8, 2016 at 9:16 am

      • 90 MIN TRAVEL RULE, the truth, the myth.

        DWP may well be able to dictate this 90 min rule but what they cant dictate is how a person gets to work SO a claimant is quite reasonably and legally right to say they walk to work and DWP cant do anything about it.

        If we look at average walking pace, a person will only have traveled around 5 miles in 90 min.

        DWP cant tell a claimant how to travel to work,cant tell a claimant how to spend their wages, how to live their working day.

        doug

        July 8, 2016 at 9:24 am

  79. The subject of prepaid cards looks to be doing the rounds again.

    Prepaid benefit cards may be closer than you think – report

    A small-scale trial found that “prepaid cards have the potential to promote financial inclusion and independence”, concluding “it would be feasible for DWP to carry out a more extensive trial of using prepaid cards to support vulnerable claimants”.

    http://www.welfareweekly.com/prepaid-benefit-cards-may-be-closer-than-you-think-report/

    These enable the prospect of having purchases restricted habits monitored or having transactions declined,giving the government total control as to their use possiibly involving third party intrusion into peoples’ lives also.

    ken

    July 7, 2016 at 11:28 am

    • Control – bit by bit.

      enigma

      July 7, 2016 at 11:56 am

    • And everybody with a card will be made to shop at Tesco to help arch-Tory Dame Shirley Porter’s family’s interests.

      Iris

      July 7, 2016 at 3:42 pm

      • Plus you won’t be able to buy sweet drinks or anything remotely pleasurably or fattening.

        Iris

        July 7, 2016 at 3:43 pm

      • The big tobacco companies won’t be very happy with SmartBand,lots of unemployed people smoke, it’ll put a large dent in their profits!!!!

        Violet

        July 7, 2016 at 6:50 pm

      • Yeah, there will be a lot of lobbying from the booze and fag industry against this. Money talks!

        Philip Morris

        July 7, 2016 at 7:10 pm

  80. Another employee but through the government contracted private firm capita also gets caught with their fingers in the cookie jar.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3676934/Greedy-mother-two-45-without-care-world-stole-400-000-faking-death-benefits-bereaved-relatives-splash-gastric-band-surgery-400-tattoo-55-000-Audi-Q5.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

    Whats that saying, “you wait for one and two show up”. So in one week two people dealing with government contracts have misappropriated funds meant for the public.

    With capita already involved with shady practices called into question over time since 2009, how much proof do we need for people to realize private for profit firms aren’t best placed to administer public services.

    doug

    July 7, 2016 at 11:35 am

    • And they have the cheek to call us scroungers.what bloody cheek…

      Violet

      July 7, 2016 at 7:01 pm

  81. Claimants partner defrauds benefits from her

    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/528157/woman-claims-conned-out-of-thousand-in-benefits-for-ex-boyfriend-penis-enlargement

    A short while back i stated it was totally unfair and discriminatory to declare partners are financially responsible for a claimant when living together because their was no way they could legally make this so meaning if the partner gave them sod all, didn’t pay the bills, that DWP or the courts couldn’t do a damn legal thing about it.

    Well here a classic example of how DWP and the courts failed in that very regard AND THUS PROVING MY VERY POINT.

    doug

    July 7, 2016 at 12:15 pm

    • Yeah, but what if the working partner is living in a house paid for by housing and council tax benefit? Hmm… 😉

      GuoD

      July 7, 2016 at 3:44 pm

      • How many nights can a partner stay over if you are on benefits? I’m worried my friend is going to get into trouble.

        http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/lone_parents/1020395-How-many-nights-can-a-partner-stay-over-if-you

        enigma

        July 7, 2016 at 3:53 pm

      • This is from the loony bin Scottish Parliament; a Bill designed to criminalise every man in Scotchland, the proposals have been watered down slightly through the consultation process as it passed through the nut-house. But it does bring into question what constitutes “payment”. Would providing someone a DWP-funded roof over their head constitute “payment” even though actual cash had exchanged hands.

        “Definitions of payment and sexual activity
        78.
        The previous consultation looked at what is meant by“payment”. It did not consider what constitutes a “sexual activity”
        .
        Definition of payment
        79.
        The Protection of Children and Prevention of Sexual Offences (Scotland) Act 2005 section 9(2) defines
        “payment”as “any financial advantage, including the discharge of an obligation to pay or the provision of goods or services (including sexual services) gratuitously or at a discount ”.
        The payment does not need to involve money actually changing hands, but could involve the
        discharge of an obligation to pay – such as the waiving of a debt – or provision of goods or services free of charge or at a reduced cost – for example providing food, alcohol or accommodation , or supplying illegal drugs free or for less than street value. It might also include payment to a nominated third party.
        80.I want to ensure that the proposed legislation avoids any potential loopholes where a purchaser
        could avoid prosecution by means of non- cash payment.”

        http://www.parliament.scot/S4_MembersBills/Criminalisation_of_the_Purchase_of_Sex_%282%29_Consultation.pdf

        Dugoid

        July 7, 2016 at 6:58 pm

      • **even though NO actual cash had exchanged hands.

        Dugoid

        July 7, 2016 at 7:01 pm

    • This story has got fuck all to do with benefit fraud! It is about some bloke alleging stealing benefit money to pay for a penis enlargement. Him alleging turning violent and becoming the subject of a restraining order and being pulled up before the bench for allegedly breaching it. Interestingly, the woman in question appeared to have £1,000 of disability and child benefits just lying around for this bloke to allegedly put down as a down payment on a dick op.

      GuoD

      July 7, 2016 at 3:51 pm

    • “He was convicted at Dumbarton Sheriff Court of breaching a restraining order and will be sentenced later this month.” So that bit is not allegedly but the dick op bit could be a load of old cock!

      GuoD

      July 7, 2016 at 3:53 pm

  82. Third of councils top up housing benefits after cap

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36726302

    Oh dear not another failed policy brought into the light.

    doug

    July 7, 2016 at 12:17 pm

  83. Breaking news…

    FIVE DEAD AT RECYCLING SITE

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36736571

    Accident Waiting To Happen

    July 7, 2016 at 12:26 pm

  84. Tories reformed anti benefit fraud policy produces yet more fraud and highlights how the governments departments left hand does not know what the right is doing.

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/crackdown-saves-33m-in-fraudulent-benefit-claims-34863092.html

    This interesting piece rather than highlighting unemployment fraud, uncovers 33 millions worth of fraud in housing benefit,pensions and rates evaders.

    Sadly the article does not explain where and where all the 33 million in fraud was specifically located but it would suggest the three mentioned are the particular main ones.

    Also sadly we don’t get a break down of over payment of housing benefit Vs housing benefit fraud.

    It also goes on to highlight how blue badges and travel passes aren’t returned after the original holder has died.

    I highlighted a long while back on another website how had DWP carried out proper checks that fraud would be so much very less not to mention how it would be impossible to benefit by using a dead persons identity. All i got though was people saying that’s not the point, so caught up in the shock of that a person would do such a thing and how he deserved to be punished and that that was the point, well if it isn’t then why is it so wide spread and why now by doing proper checks by cross referencing databases is it all now getting exposed ?

    doug

    July 7, 2016 at 12:38 pm

  85. Tory leadership: Leadsom says CV criticism is ‘ridiculous’

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36730216

    No one seemed to care IDS’s CV was all bull so why is she any different, talk about splitting hairs and double standards.

    doug

    July 7, 2016 at 12:44 pm

  86. More proof fines don’t work and are just an excuse to profit from by not really pressing home the point.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36730216

    Dont get me wrong, i support the parents on this and would do the same as hell if government are going to tell me what and what i will do with my kids like taking them on holiday is somehow as bad as say abusing them for instances.

    I guarantee the suggested answer to it will be, YES YOU GUESSED IT, RAISE THE AMOUNT OF THE FINE.

    Governments and their departments don’t want to address the problem,well not while their profiting from it anyway.

    doug

    July 7, 2016 at 12:50 pm

  87. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36726095

    Germany rape law: ‘No means No’ law passed.

    I don’t know about others but NO is pretty clear to me, i don’t need to hold court to understand that.

    This is a prime example of governments wasting taxpayer money.

    doug

    July 7, 2016 at 12:54 pm

  88. France Telecom suicides: Prosecutor calls for bullying trial

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36733572

    What would our government say about this ?

    Are these suicides far to complex to blame on a single company ?

    doug

    July 7, 2016 at 12:58 pm

  89. UK Fracking already threatened by CLIMATE CHANGE tests

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-36727751

    doug

    July 7, 2016 at 1:00 pm

  90. Would-be Tory leaders pose as champions of the poor – after six years of cuts

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jul/05/would-be-tory-leaders-champion-poor-cuts-brexit-inequality

    enigma

    July 7, 2016 at 1:10 pm

  91. London has far to much financial sway over the rest of UK.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36733339

    Its time government addressed this city/town inequality on revenue now it joins inequality between classes to highlight a mass overall inequality issue in the UK.

    doug

    July 7, 2016 at 1:29 pm

  92. Manchester City sign first e-sports player

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36734518

    And who thought technology couldn’t make footballers obsolete.

    doug

    July 7, 2016 at 1:31 pm

  93. Criminals winning ‘cyber arms race’ – National Crime Agency

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36731694

    I always said governments were to late to the internet party, well at least they admit it now.

    doug

    July 7, 2016 at 1:36 pm

  94. Half a million hoverboards recalled in US

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36727652

    Remember me saying how engineer quality has been dropped for quantity, How inferior parts are used rather than quality materials, how recall rates and failures were at a all time high, well here’s even more proof.

    Engineers now are well really crap. Their so busy running the make mistake after mistake.

    THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DESKILL AN INDUSTRY, MAKE TODAY’S DEGREE STUDENTS WHO ARE ONLY TAUGHT HOW TO PASS AN EXAM RATHER THAN LEARN THE SUBJECT, HEADS OF DEPARTMENTS AND SECTIONS AND OF COURSE USE CHEAP MATERIALS AND THUS LOWER LIFE EXPECTANCY OF A PRODUCT NOT TO MENTION INCREASE ITS FAILURE RATE WHEN PLACED INTO REAL WORLD CONDITIONS.

    Im off to enjoy i hope the weekend now so i hope you all have the same and see you next week.

    doug

    July 7, 2016 at 1:45 pm

  95. Andrea Leadsom v Theresa May.

    enigma

    July 7, 2016 at 3:42 pm

    • Yep – It’ll be T May.

      When Gove went darker than Voldemort/Game of Thrones he became untenable.

      unfortunately T May will be worse as she will try and Out Thatcher, Thatcher.

      Gazza

      July 7, 2016 at 7:10 pm

    • Leadsom has a “passion” for social justice which, in modern Tory speak, usually means crack the whip at and cut benefits to the poor (to “encourage” them to do better) and cut tax and other costs to the rich (to “encourage” them to invest and spend more). So the poor become poorer and the rich richer in order to make things more socially just from the Conservative perspective. Nice.

      Nobber

      July 9, 2016 at 6:41 am

  96. While we look one way, there is plenty to be vigilant about elsewhere.

    1. Austerity policies breach the UK’s human rights obligations
    2. Child poverty has spiked
    3. Delayed state pension for hundreds of thousands of women
    4. Children with mental health problems are being denied treatment
    5. The DWP is delaying the release of benefit death reports (again)

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/07/stories-buried-brexit-child-poverty-un-austerity

    enigma

    July 7, 2016 at 6:06 pm

  97. “He feels at home when he is not working, and when he is working he does not feel at home. His labour is therefore not voluntary, but coerced; it is forced labour.”
    .
    — Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts of 1844. Karl Marx and Frederick Engels

    Karl Marx

    July 7, 2016 at 7:25 pm

  98. Two Thatcher muppet vie for top Tory Mafia job.

    http:bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36737426

    Violet

    July 7, 2016 at 7:29 pm

  99. Workfare States

    “Contemporary workfare policies rarely involve job creation on any significant scale, along the lines of the old-fashioned public-works programs; they are more concerned with deterring welfare claims and necessitating the acceptance of low-paid, unstable jobs in the context of increasingly “flexible” labour markets. Stripped down to it’s labour-regulatory essence, workfare is not about creating jobs for people that don’t have them; it is about creating workers for jobs that nobody
    wants. In a Foucauldian sense, it is seeking to make “docile bodies” for the new economy: flexible, self-reliant and self-disciplining”

    — Jamie Peck in Workfare States (2001

    Welfare States

    July 7, 2016 at 7:32 pm

    • Meanwhile in 2016

      It’s about employers taking advantage of the unemployed by not paying them a wage.

      enigma

      July 7, 2016 at 9:35 pm

  100. OT: DWP & NHS Mental Health – god help people…

    h/t: refuted

    spotted on refuted the main link but went look for updated version for Mar16. Didn’t spot it but came across this:

    http://www.gmhsc.org.uk/news/gm-to-receive-funding-for-mental-health-and-employment-initiative/

    GM gets funding for mental health and employment trailblazer
    13th May 2016

    WorkingWellLogoDraft2

    Greater Manchester is one of four pilot areas in the UK to be awarded £5.2m in funding from Department Communities and Local Government (DCLG) and European Social Fund (ESF), to deliver a Mental Health and Employment Trailblazer that aims to help unemployed people into sustained employment.

    Greater Manchester (GM) is the first area in the UK to go live with the Mental Health and Employment Trailblazer, by incorporating the commissioning of a Mental Health Talking Therapies Service into the Working Well Expansion Programme. The Working Well programme is due to receive 15,000 referrals from March 2016-March 2017; referrals will be from Jobcentre Plus and from GPs in four pilot areas (Bury, Manchester, Wigan and Tameside). It is anticipated that 2,000 clients will receive lower level mental health support, with around 1,000 receiving Talking Therapies.

    Greater Manchester has made a clear commitment as part of GM Health and Social Care devolution to support GM residents to become economically active, and by supporting unemployed residents with mental health issues move into employment and support them in work it is hoped that this will be one way this will be achieved. Working Well clients will receive keyworker support for up to two years on programme and one year of in-work support. If a client requires an IAPT intervention, they will receive an initial appointment within two weeks of referral. The client, keyworker and IAPT practitioner will work together to support the clinical issues in conjunction with the psycho-social issues, such as debt, social isolation & housing issues.

    GM is expecting that a minimum of 20% of Working Well clients will gain employment and 15% will sustain the employment for at least 12 months, it is expected that all clients participating on the Working Well Programme will receive the support they require to improve their quality of life.

    For more information, visit: https://www.greatermanchester-ca.gov.uk/news/article/44/15000_more_people_in_greater_manchester_to_start_working_well

    Me: Talking Therapies? Frak…

    Gazza

    July 7, 2016 at 7:37 pm

    • I have to say it again, it’s some future we’re headed for!

      “Housing issues” – the future of housing, we know about that don’t we.

      enigma

      July 7, 2016 at 9:32 pm

    • Don’t forget this one too Gazza!,

      £80 million boost for Life Chances Fund to transform lives.

      Children in care, people dependent on drugs or alcohol, and anyone whose prospects appear bleak could stand a better chance in life if the services they need and use were MORE EFFECTIVE. Through research and support, the GO Lab will make it easier for governments to commission smarter services that focus on outcomes, working with the private and not-for-profit sectors to solve the social issues.

      https://www.gov.uk/government/news/80-million-boost-for-life-chances-fund-to-transform-lives-across-the-uk

      enigma

      July 7, 2016 at 9:56 pm

    • OT: WP Replacement costs & Greater Manchester plans

      GET While you can – I suspect this’ll be yanked soon

      https://www.greatermanchester-ca.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/614/item_05_employment_and_skills_update.pdf

      Just found this which makes for interesting reading, though we all know much of it anyway.

      a] Although the Work Programme will not be re-commissioned, DWP has committed to co-commissioning the new Work & Health programme — from April 2017.

      b] Annual spending on employment programmes hovered between £800million and £1Bn per year—-
      the Work & Health Programme is expected to be £130m per year, total.

      Gazza

      July 8, 2016 at 3:32 pm

  101. Blair the Benefit Cutter

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/38656.stm

    Reminder

    July 8, 2016 at 8:18 am

    • “The Blair government would face a number of similar rebellions, as for example in 1999 when trying to introduce cuts to disability benefits and again in 2002 with its proposal to remove child benefits from families with regularly truant children.”

      https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/christopher-barrie/from-welfare-to-workfare-how-helping-hand-became-contract

      Reminder

      July 8, 2016 at 8:20 am

      • END TO SOMETHING FOR NOTHING CULTURE – BEFORE THE TORIES

        “Despite early rebellions, such ideas gradually took root in the Labour ranks. The title of James Purnell’s 2008 Welfare Reform Green Paper encapsulates the attitudinal shift to welfare provision outlined above. The proposals contained in ‘No one written off: reforming welfare to reward responsibility’ were, according to Purnell, “based on a simple deal: more support in return for greater responsibility… We will help people find work, but they will be expected to take a job.” Chris Grayling, then shadow work and pensions secretary, was supportive of the plans if critical of the fact that they had been apparently plagiarised from published Conservative Party policy. Under the plans “virtually everyone” would have to do something in return for their welfare payments”.

        Reminder

        July 8, 2016 at 8:26 am

  102. Meanwhile the Future of Work.

    The world of work is in flux as a result of digitisation, the development of the digital economy and broad technological change. These processes, coupled with globalisation, population ageing and changes in work organisation, will shape the world of work and raise challenges to public policy in unknown ways.

    OECD analyses have begun to understand the relationship between digitalisation, jobs and skills, the magnitude of potential job substitution due to technological change, the relationship between globalisation and wage polarisation, as well as the changes to the organisation of work. With a focus on policy, the OECD is looking at the challenges these trends place on labour market, skills and social policy.

    http://www.oecd.org/employment/future-of-work.htm

    enigma

    July 8, 2016 at 10:52 am

  103. Council tax debt collection tactics pushing people further into the red

    Citizens Advice report highlights how some councils add extra charges to a debt, send in bailiffs and take court action before trying to arrange repayment plans.

    http://www.welfareweekly.com/council-tax-debt-collection-tactics-pushing-people-further-into-the-red/

    enigma

    July 8, 2016 at 10:55 am

  104. Government admits Jobcentres set targets to take away benefits
    Department of Work and Pensions backtracks on denial of Guardian investigation that some jobcentres have been taking people off benefits amid pressure to meet targets.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2011/apr/08/jobcentres-benefits-sanctions-targets

    enigma

    July 8, 2016 at 11:53 am

    • Old but don’t forget they are out to get you.

      enigma

      July 8, 2016 at 12:14 pm

    • From Friday 8 April 2011

      Worryingly is the rise in hate crime.The UK has not been a nice place to live for people on benefits for some years,people use these situations as an excuse to cause trouble and interpretate that as a green light fueled by government actions,also politicians like May and her attitude to the human right’s act is also troubling.

      Sharp rise’ in reported hate crime

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36746763

      ken

      July 8, 2016 at 12:49 pm

      • & the rest of the world,

        Meanwhile things are heating up in eastern Eu.

        enigma

        July 8, 2016 at 2:40 pm

  105. The first legal attempt to prevent the prime minister initiating Britain’s withdrawal from the European Union is to be heard later this month.

    A high court judge, Mr Justice Cranston, has set 19 July for a preliminary hearing of the judicial review challenge brought on behalf of the British citizen Deir Dos Santos.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/08/legal-attempt-prevent-brexit-preliminary-hearing-article-50

    enigma

    July 8, 2016 at 2:17 pm

  106. 10 Local Work and Health Programme pilots:

    Looks like the pimps are being given the boot in favour of local authorities.

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/10_local_work_and_health_program#incoming-835942

    jj joop

    July 8, 2016 at 2:35 pm

    • But it will be the same c***ts working for them. Besides, big national government slave labour schemes are easier to challenge and oppose than disparate local authority schemes hidden and tucked away all over the place.

      Bollocks to Workfare

      July 8, 2016 at 4:51 pm

      • Bollocks,

        if it is the same crowd – it will be a greatly reduced crowd at that, like 1/10 the number – current bill 800Mil/1Bn goes down to 130Mil Total per year. [see link above]

        Big big drop

        Gazza

        July 8, 2016 at 5:29 pm

  107. OT: DWP & Mobile Payments [a la cards perhaps?]

    h/t to refuted

    http://www.fstech.co.uk/fst/GovCoin_Welfare_Payments_Trial.php
    “GovCoin chosen for welfare payments trial
    GovCoin has partnered with Barclays, RWE npower and University College London for the pilot, which commenced in June. Its aim is to develop a secure and effective technology that claimants can easily adopt to handle their welfare payments through a mobile app.”

    ME: And for a glimpse future of problems:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36744925
    “Malware hits millions of Android phones”

    I refuse point blank to install or use constant on banking [why I recommend using a Live Linux Distro – once you log out, LogIn details etc its all gone until you enter it again when needed] – payments are at a time & via a site I choose. That might change if the people pushing this will take on the financial liablity of things going wrong? Nope they Won’t will they, oh and what about banking charges who will pay those?. So much for this idea.

    Gazza

    July 8, 2016 at 7:21 pm

    • They can keep it!

      enigma

      July 8, 2016 at 10:48 pm

    • How many welfare claimants have smart phones I wonder?

      Tim

      July 9, 2016 at 12:48 pm

      • You don’t get too many gallons to the mile on smartphones!

        Smart Alex

        July 9, 2016 at 2:42 pm

  108. Abuse of benefits by ‘pressurised’ Plaistow jobcentre staff leads to DWP criticism by independent watchdog

    The NAO report, released today, found the two members of staff had awarded the payments “to inflate off-flow as a measure of jobcentre performance”.

    “It looked as though statistically they had come off the jobseeker’s allowance but actually it was coming from a different pot of money.

    “I think it was the culture of trying to get people off of benefits that was the root cause of what went on.

    http://www.newhamrecorder.co.uk/news/politics/http_www_newhamrecorder_co_uk_news_politics_abuse_of_benefits_by_pressurised_plaistow_jobcentre_staff_leads_to_dwp_criticism_by_independent_watchdog_1_4608554_1_4608554

    ken

    July 8, 2016 at 8:42 pm

    • Full of crap.

      A DWP spokeswoman said: “The report contains no new evidence, and simply summarises the results of our own extensive investigation which found that this was an isolated incident in a network of over 700 jobcentres.

      “Our work coaches do a great job supporting people into work and contributing to the record levels of employment.”

      enigma

      July 8, 2016 at 10:42 pm

      • “Our work coaches do a great job supporting people into work and contributing to the record levels of employment.”

        Some may dispute that or how they go about business.Suppose its which side of the fence your on and what the “customer” has experienced in the way of “support”.

        ken

        July 8, 2016 at 11:59 pm

      • The Mirror has run the story also.

        Jobcentre staff broke the rules ‘to hit targets for forcing people off benefits’

        The allegations appear in a report on claimants who were taken off jobseekers’ allowance – only to be slipped cash from another fund

        Jobcentre staff were told to meet targets for getting people off benefits by using “aggressive” tactics and breaking the rules, it has been claimed.

        http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jobcentre-staff-broke-rules-to-8375351

        ken

        July 10, 2016 at 2:48 pm

  109. Married Tory MP Stephen Crabb ‘sexted young woman on WhatsApp saying he wanted to kiss her everywhere’

    The 43-year-old married father of two, who placed family values at the centre of his failed bid to be party leader, exchanged flirtatious messages during the run up to the EU referendum , the Times newspaper reported.

    It claimed that he sent a WhatsApp message on the eve of the Brexit vote last month describing a sex act he would like to perform.

    He also said that most are “risk takers in the areas of money, sex, political opportunism”, it was alleged by the Tory-supporting paper.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/married-tory-mp-stephen-crabb-8382784

    Now we know what “taking the risk” is about!

    ken

    July 9, 2016 at 12:13 am

    • All very reminiscent of John Major’s ‘Back to Basics” campaign: Major spouting about “family values” whilst all along shagging Edwina Currie behind his wife, Norma’s back.

      Disgusted from Tunbridge Wells

      July 9, 2016 at 6:59 am

    • The whole of Major’s cabinet was mired in sex scandals: it eventually brought down his short-lived administration.

      Outraged from Leyton Buzzard

      July 10, 2016 at 7:38 am

  110. Plans to force academic or vocational choice on pupils over 16

    Proposed education reforms include scrapping thousands of technical qualifications in favour of 15 ‘pathways’

    The plan appears to offer little extra funding for the new system starting from 2019, which would see those wanting to go into apprenticeships or vocational training choosing one of the 15 broad skills pathways such as construction, social care or engineering after taking their GCSEs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/jul/08/plans-to-force-academic-or-vocational-choice-on-pupils-over-16

    enigma

    July 9, 2016 at 11:46 am

  111. Hey Enigma: – Works for me.

    Plans to force academic or vocational choice on pupils over 16.

    In fact I would call on the Government to re-introduce National Service to everyone under 50 for a period of no less than 2 years.

    You just watch the immigrants jump out of Great Britain so fast – it would make your head spin.

    This is standard for migrants to America.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    July 9, 2016 at 4:43 pm

  112. Now here’s a really good one for ‘Nicky Morgan’ The Secretary of State for Education.

    Please, Please, Please introduce the South Korean Education system in Great Britain.

    It would seriously combat the trouble that is caused by children after school causing problems for homeowners and renters when their parents just don’t keep an eye on them (You All Know The One’s I Mean) such as:

    Kicking balls into peoples yards.

    Coming into peoples yards (without permission) to retrieve the balls.

    Shouting and screaming as to cause a nuisance to people who are trying to relax after a hard day’s work.

    Absolutely NO PARENTAL GUIDANCE AT ALL – UNLESS THE PARENTS IN QUESTION ARE GETTING EAR-ACHE.

    And this is the problem – They then kick them off outside so they are not bothering the parents – but let them bother everyone else and guess what – the parents don’t care – until the Police turn up.

    South Korean Schooling System – Please, Please watch the video below and approve!

    For South Korean teenagers a double shift of school, every week day, is just a way of life.

    Hye-Min Park is 16 and lives in the affluent Seoul district of Gangnam, made famous by the pop star Psy. Her day is typical of that of the majority of South Korean teenagers.

    She rises at 6.30am, is at school by 8am, finishes at 4pm, (or 5pm if she has a club), then pops back home to eat.

    She then takes a bus to her second school shift of the day, at a private crammer or hagwon, where she has lessons from 6pm until 9pm.

    She spends another two hours in what she calls self-study back at school, before arriving home after 11pm. She goes to bed at 2am, and rises in the morning at 6.30am to do it all over again.

    Hey Nicky Morgan MP – ARE YOU TAKING NOTICE!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-25187993

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    July 9, 2016 at 5:25 pm

  113. Wannabe Prime Minister Andrea Leadsom thinks all websites should be rated – just like movies.

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/08/leadsom_thinks_websites_should_be_rated/

    enigma

    July 10, 2016 at 11:40 am

    • Ah, Wannabe Prime Minister Andrea Leadsom “Websites Accreditation Department”, accrediting the 571 New websites created Each Minute [unable to find country breakdown] – note this was back 3 years ago.

      Small business website? Nope you can’t have that – business fails
      Large business website? Yes please and can you fund my party pretty please..
      Individual website? Nope you can’t have that
      VIP website? [see above for Large business’s]

      All I can say is Good luck

      Gazza

      July 10, 2016 at 3:28 pm

  114. From ‘another’ forum:

    “I wish they would just retire people like us on health grounds and concentrate on the fitter people who can manage and allow us to do some voluntary work if we are able to manage it. That`s how the system SHOULD work, but it`s one rule for everyone.”

    Just how fucking annoying are these selfish connards (on ESA) with their fucking ‘Do it to Julia’ attitude. Enough to make your fucking blood boil! And “voluntary work”, yeah sure, you lying connard !

    comply or die

    July 10, 2016 at 12:36 pm

  115. OT: Future of work [or rather a future of less work for humans in corporate land USA] Coming to UK? You decide.

    http://nextbigfuture.com/2016/07/hostess-and-twinkies-saved-by.html
    “Hostess And Twinkies saved by Automation And Firing 95% Of The Union Workforce”
    Hostess, the producers of Twinkies went bust, twice, as a result of heinously bad union arrangements.

    ME: Heyday had 22,000 staff across 40 bakeries, 5 years ago 8,000. Now down to 1770 staff, 3 bakeries.

    Gazza

    July 10, 2016 at 12:47 pm

    • And a bit of background:
      – product is much smaller
      – the quality of the product dropped. The cakes are smaller, the ingredients are inferior, and it shows.
      – And this ignores everything that happened before. Like when the executives borrowed money against the employees pension fund to give themselves nice fat bonuses, and then declared bankruptcy so they wouldn’t have to pay it back. This type of thing is a lot lower on the list of debts to get fulfilled when a company goes under, and that’s exactly what they took advantage of. The employees got royally screwed when the pensions funds were raided and then bankrupted. But according to this article, it was all the union’s fault. Bullcrap.

      Can Anyone say Maxwell?

      Gazza

      July 10, 2016 at 12:49 pm

      • “Ian Robert Maxwell, MC (born Ján Ludvík Hyman Binyamin Hoch; 10 June 1923 – 5 November 1991) was a British media proprietor and Member of Parliament (MP).

        In 1991, his body was discovered floating in the Atlantic Ocean having fallen overboard from his yacht. He was buried in Jerusalem.

        Maxwell’s death triggered the collapse of his publishing empire as banks called in loans. His sons briefly struggled to keep the business together, but failed as the news emerged that Maxwell had stolen hundreds of millions of pounds from his own companies’ pension funds. The Maxwell companies applied for bankruptcy protection in 1992.”

        That was a suspicious and ‘convenient’ death if ever their was one… 😉

        Miss Marple

        July 10, 2016 at 1:17 pm

  116. The governance of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland should be reinvented within a new voluntary union in a bid to save the UK from disintegration, an independent all-party group of experts will argue this week.

    The Constitution Reform Group, convened by former Conservative cabinet minister Lord Salisbury, is to make the the case for radical constitutional change in the UK by claiming the need has been boosted by the vote to leave the European Union.

    Their proposals say the existing union should be replaced with fully devolved government in each part of the UK, with each given full sovereignty over its own affairs. The Westminster parliament, the group says, should then be reduced to 146 MPs. The individual nations and regions of the UK would then be encouraged to pool sovereignty to cover the matters they wish to be dealt with on a shared basis.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/10/brexit-vote-paves-way-for-federal-union-says-all-party-group

    enigma

    July 10, 2016 at 3:23 pm

  117. Photographing the things homeless people in California own.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36188674

    enigma

    July 10, 2016 at 5:23 pm

  118. For all their concerns with global competitiveness, migration and terrorism, only one prospect truly terrifies the Powers of Europe: Democracy!

    They speak in democracy’s name but only to deny, exorcise and suppress it in practice. They seek to co-opt, evade, corrupt, mystify, usurp and manipulate democracy in order to break its energy and arrest its possibilities. For rule by Europe’s peoples, government by the demos, is their nightmare.

    The European Union could have been the proverbial Beacon on the Hill, showing the world how peace and solidarity may be snatched from the jaws of centuries-long conflict and bigotry. Alas, today, a common bureaucracy and a common currency divide European peoples that were beginning to unite despite our different languages and cultures.

    Now, today, Europeans are feeling let down by EU institutions everywhere.From Helsinki to Lisbon, from Dublin to Crete, from Leipzig to Aberdeen. A stark choice is approaching fast. The choice between authentic democracy and insidious disintegration.

    At the heart of our disintegrating EU there lies a guilty deceit: A highly political, top-down, opaque decision-making process is presented as ‘apolitical’, ‘technical’, ‘procedural’ and ‘neutral’. Its purpose is to prevent Europeans from exercising democratic control over their money, communities, working conditions and environment.

    The more they asphyxiate democracy, the less legitimate their political authority becomes, the stronger the forces of economic recession, and the greater their need for further authoritarianism

    https://diem25.org/manifesto-short-version/

    enigma

    July 10, 2016 at 6:10 pm

  119. British bank overdraft charges are on a par with loan sharks(they take everyones money at almost zero interest and loan it at extortionate interest to the least able to pay it back.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36746372

    Marie

    July 10, 2016 at 6:51 pm

  120. Jobseekers are being sanctioned for having facial hair (men included) and look at that prick Crabb with his facial hair. And while you are at it take a look at how many cock roaches have facial hair and that’s just the females!

    Mach 7

    July 10, 2016 at 8:46 pm

    • Supposing you’re a Muslim man, who is supposed to grow a beard? Do you get let off?

      Tim

      July 10, 2016 at 11:28 pm

      • No doubt they do get let off. But anyone can say they are a Muslim 😉

        Muslim

        July 11, 2016 at 6:50 am

    • Well, in my day, I put a tax on beards so all the poor would have to be clean shaven.

      Tsar Peter the Great

      August 20, 2016 at 8:36 am

  121. National Living Wage has not led to job losses, says RF.

    Employers have responded to the new National Living Wage (NLW) by raising prices or reducing profits rather than cutting jobs, according to a survey from the Resolution Foundation.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36760387

    enigma

    July 11, 2016 at 10:35 am

  122. Theresa May vows to put Conservatives ‘at service’ of working people. are we sure about that T May.

    Setting out plans to change the way big businesses are governed, Mrs May said consumers and workers should have places on their boards.

    At the event in Birmingham, Mrs May set out her desire to address inequality and restore trust in politics.

    The home secretary acknowledged the criminal justice system treats black people “more harshly” than white counterparts.

    Outlining some of the social issues she wants to address, Mrs May said: “Right now, if you’re born poor, you will die on average nine years earlier than others.

    “If you’re black, you’re treated more harshly by the criminal justice system than if you’re white. If you’re a white, working-class boy, you’re less likely than anybody else to go to university. If you’re at a state school, you’re less likely to reach the top professions than if you’re educated privately.

    “If you’re a woman, you still earn less than a man. If you suffer from mental health problems, there’s too often not enough help to hand. If you’re young, you’ll find it harder than ever before to own your own home.”

    She said that “fighting these injustices is not enough”, and added: “If you’re from a working-class family, life is just much harder than many people in politics realise.”

    She also said politicians often failed to realise how hard life was for working-class families.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36760953

    enigma

    July 11, 2016 at 10:41 am

    • Meanwhile Leadsom to ‘quit Tory leadership bid’

      enigma

      July 11, 2016 at 10:47 am

      • Their all in it together

        More extremism this time,any talk of being able too unite the country is the first step to more of the same as this Thatcher clone is about to take charge.At least Farage is gone making the laughing stock,with people like him would anyone want dealings.

        At least we won’t see this wreckage doing what Thatcher did in 80s for long, lets hope they tell it to just take a hike.

        ken

        July 11, 2016 at 3:30 pm

    • Who is this Alien who has replaced T May???

      Gazza

      July 11, 2016 at 2:10 pm

      • Yes Gaxza, she’s telling everyone what they want to hear because she knows everyone is getting to know.

        What will she bring in besides the snoopers & bill of rights.

        enigma

        July 11, 2016 at 2:26 pm

  123. OT: Adventures in DWP Land – Work Roaches/Roach Managers out of Control

    Interesting events.

    I remembered that everything on dwp systems are backed up and wondered why the dropped off CC hadn’t been requested when Work Roach & Roach Manager became aware it was missing when they found out all my records [everything about me basically] had dropped off [nope, it was all deleted] the system.
    I have never heard such unconvincing back peddling in my life – which they subsequently blew a hole in later.
    What made it even more obvious that a certain amount of panic surrounds this is that its apparently a common thing. Yeah, Right. Really?
    Unfortunately Work Roach then confirmed If I had answered in the negative about the need for a CC which came from the Roach Manager, the claim would have been closed – so, if manager asks that question – conveniently temporarily losing the CC is that not a fit up?
    Oh, the work roach [an ex-manager to boot] did not believe DWP for the organization, or building needed a Information Act Data Protection Officer when I asked for that persons details. Okay…. Really? Reconfirmed that. [does this indicate to anyone else that the alarm bells are going off in the building at stating this non-existence?]. Problem, my department was one of the 1st gov departments to introduce the act – central to that was the appointment of a Senior Data Protection Officer. It appears in my case such does not exist. And also was unwilling to search for such a person for that reason. So I asked for the name and details of the Deputy Secretary of DWP and surprise surprise Work Roach did not know who that was or how to find details. You know the person who fronts the inhouse staff bulletin. Really?
    There is however a sting in the tail – I was told that I was going to have to use UJM. I pointed out that its rubbish, won a award or worst recruitment site in the UK and on top of that, cannot be mandated.

    I bring this up for the following reason: Apparently DWP Internal Audit Unit checks INTO UJM accounts and as a result point out where they are not being used in order for Managers to order use thereafter.
    Really?

    The Madness continues.

    Gazza

    July 11, 2016 at 2:09 pm

  124. May day to be this Wednesday. Thursday all plebs to report for their bar-coding and chipping.

    Another Fine Recession

    July 11, 2016 at 8:52 pm


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