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Most Claimants Worried about Welfare ‘changes’.

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Enough to Worry about already.

Following the recent post on Universal Credit, which showed a wealth of reasons why people have real fears about Universal Credit, we see this report.

Three In Four Benefit Claimants Worried About Future Welfare Changes

Welfare Weekly.

Low-income households fearful that further welfare changes would leave them struggling to pay for housing, food and other essentials.

New research by the national charity Turn2us has found that almost three-quarters (73%) of low-income households claiming means-tested benefits are worried about future changes to the welfare system.

This figure was highest amongst those who are unable to work due to disability or long-term illness, with a huge 90% concerned about welfare reform. Significant changes to the benefits and tax credits system are taking place over the next few years.

Worryingly, nearly two-thirds (64%) of households said they would feel more stressed about their financial situation if their benefits were to be cut or reduced, whilst over half (55%) fear they would have to cut back on food.

Furthermore, over two-fifths (43%) said they might struggle to pay their rent or mortgage, and one in two (50%) are concerned they may get in to debt.

Over half of families (54%) said they would struggle to provide for their children if receiving less support.

One of the research respondents said: “I just about cope on the benefits I receive and have had to cut down on every expenditure. I have no idea how I would cope if the benefits were reduced or taken away and would feel despair.”

Another said: “I am a full-time carer for my mum and have so much stress and worry on a day-to-day basis. The benefits we receive help me manage and without them I don’t know what we would do.”

Claimants also expressed uncertainty over Universal Credit which is being introduced gradually to replace six means-tested benefits for working-age people. A third (33%) said they feel unsure about this new benefit because of negative stories they’ve heard in the media.

We note that these are not “stories” but based on accurate reports about the utter mess than Universal Credit may well introduce.

Welfare Weekly says,

Turn2us.org.uk – has a free and confidential Benefits Calculator that reflects the latest welfare changes, so that anyone can check their current entitlements and how to make a claim.

These include sections titled:

  • Check benefit entitlement.
  • Search for a grant.
  • What’s your situation?

Simon Hopkins, Chief Executive of Turn2us says,

We would urge anyone who is worried about their situation to visit our website where they can find the latest information on benefit changes, and check their current entitlements. Anyone who thinks they might see a reduction in their income can also use our free tools to see if they might be eligible for any additional support.”

We are sure this is well meaning, but with the threat of further austerity adding to the already obvious signs that Universal Credit is riddled with problems,  getting proper advice is not going to solve everybody’s difficulties.

Or indeed, solve the basic – rational –  causes of the worries the report indicates.

These range from the waiting time for the UC claim  to be processed, fears about paying rent, and, last but very certainly not least, the sanctions regime.

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Written by Andrew Coates

June 17, 2016 at 3:13 pm

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  1. There will be many more people than the current so called number of 1.5 million who disappear when going over to UC.

    enigma

    June 17, 2016 at 5:17 pm

  2. As we know it is either food, bills or a roof over your head, myself I’ve still got a roof over my head.

    enigma

    June 17, 2016 at 5:27 pm

    • Universal Credit will spawn universal misery,

      Stephen Tucker

      June 17, 2016 at 7:10 pm

  3. The six week wait for Universal Credit to be paid in arrears is based on the “fact” that two out of three workers are paid monthly and that parity should be maintained between wages and benefits. This is wrong because the people who are most likely to end up claiming Universal Credit, i.e., are in insecure low paid jobs, are much more likely to be paid on a weekly than a monthly basis. I seem to remember reading that about 50% of applicants for UC are not paid monthly but weekly or even piecemeal.

    I was told by someone involved with UC that another reason the benefit is paid monthly is to save on complaints (people will only know what they get, or don’t get, and want to complain about the service twelve times a year) and computer time, since UC has to be recalculated every month to include any work done, sanctions received, and any changes in circumstances (so going for a monthly update rather than a weekly recalculation is four times less demanding as far as processing is concerned).

    For people with no savings who end up with no assistance for six or more weeks – worst of all single parents or families with one or more children – well, God help them!

    Stephen Tucker

    June 17, 2016 at 7:09 pm

    • Complaints about benefits? – that’s easily fixed.

      Start complaining about anything and everything to the JCP and DWP – Most of us are well versed in this action which ties up JCP and DWP resources at any given time by forcing them examine your question or query to give an answer before the 20 day limit is reached.

      Everybody start writing letters, emails and when signing on ask them to photocopy a shitload of CV’s for you or anything else you can think of to hinder them so it uses up their resources.

      Simples!

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      June 18, 2016 at 1:12 pm

    • How on earth could a person so obviously insane and unstable obtain a firearm?

      (And why does the right-wing of politics attract so many headbangers and sickos?)

      Tim

      June 18, 2016 at 10:44 am

      • Hi Tim

        I live in Bradford, West Yorkshire, Birstall is only 6.5 miles away from me (just down the road) and I was in real shock and tears when I heard this had happened.

        The murder of Jo Cox MP was an absolutely disgusting act by a man who was a seriously disturbed Individual. I predict his lawyers defence will be predicated on the fact that, as you say Tim, he was unstable at the time he attacked Jo.

        The difference between being disturbed and being unstable are sometimes not far apart, but sometimes they are, dependent on what is going on in the individuals mind at the time. So say ‘The Experts’.

        Well Bollocks to that argument – he was obviously stable enough to walk, talk, buy, load and carry a firearm and knife with the intent of killing a human being, he was also stable enough to find and target Jo.

        The news channels have been saying he had right wing sympathies – well it will all come out in time – But it will never bring back a really decent woman who stood up for her constituency against the odds and actually got the Government to change their policy on certain issues in only her first year of being an MP (this is unheard of), also a great humanitarian who worked in some of the worlds most dangerous countries on the planet on behalf of charities.

        This guy who murdered her must have seen her as an easy target to strike at the heart of the government. Jo only 5 foot tall and slim probably had no chance of defence as she wouldn’t have expected anything like that to happen as she was holding a local MP’s surgery at the time in Birstall.

        Jo Cox MP for Batley and Spen – R.I.P.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        June 18, 2016 at 2:16 pm

      • Hello Obi

        Yep. Although I never met her like you I was shaken by Jo Cox’s crazed and brutal murder. By all accounts she was a lovely women. wife and a devoted mother to her children, who always placed the welfare of others first and devoted her life to bettering things for the voiceless, impoverished and the suffering. What a loss. Who knows what great good she might have done and what she might have achieved if not been robbed of her life so early and so prematurely. My thoughts are with her family, most of all her grieving husband and two children.

        Terrible, terrible, terrible.

        Tim

        June 18, 2016 at 8:36 pm

      • You can quite easily be bipolar and commit an execution. Having a mental health issue per say does not imply you didn’t intentionally murder a person. Its obvious this act was premeditated, the act of shooting her in the face point blank shows intent of action regardless of the frenzied stabbing their after.

        This was a planned assassination so despite a mental health issue, the person has proved they were fully incharge of their actions.

        doug

        June 19, 2016 at 7:40 am

    • Jo Cox was killed on the 16th of the 6th month in 2016 All the sixes, 666, the Number of the Beast! Coincidence or… ?

      David Icke

      June 18, 2016 at 1:39 pm

      • Interestingly, an alternative Number of the Beast is sometimes given as 616! Fits like a glove?

        David Icke

        June 18, 2016 at 1:41 pm

      • I recently bought a plastic five litre container of 10/40W oil marked down to £6.66. Two months after putting it the engine of my old banger of a car it broke down and gave up the ghost. Coincidence or…

        The Neighbour of the Beast

        June 18, 2016 at 3:27 pm

      • From your argument ‘David Icke’ we could also say, from your point of view:

        The actual David Icke:

        Born: April 29, 1952 (age 64)

        So we could say as your mind thinks, it would follow:

        April 29 – leave the 2 out and turn the 9 upside down it will become a 6.

        Also turn the 9 in 1952 upside down, it will also become a 6.

        And as you point out he is 64 – well that one explains itself, i.e. the 6 in 64.

        Hence 666, so according to you David Icke is 666 ‘The number of the beast!

        Doh!

        Are you sure your actual name isn’t Homer Simpson! DOH!

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        June 18, 2016 at 3:44 pm

    • The Daily Star

      June 18, 2016 at 2:16 pm

  4. violette s

    June 19, 2016 at 1:05 am

    • Jubela, Jubelo, Jubelum.

      Boaz

      June 19, 2016 at 7:47 am

      • Dick-A-Dum-Dum.

        Des O'Connor

        June 22, 2016 at 7:22 pm

  5. ANSWERING THE QUESTION ABOUT CLAIMANTS BEING MADE TO SIGN UP TO FACEBOOK,ETC

    In theory DWP can ask you to sign up to any media job related site provided they can assure its security.Well unless your the data controller which DWP is not for all jobs/media sites except UJM, this cannot happen.

    Another thing DWP cannot do while directing a claimant to open such an account is INSIST they use their PERSONAL AND OR SENSITIVE DATA. This means even in the case of UJM, a claimant can put whatever they like while registering including whats on their CV.

    Although more a trend amongst jobsites, probably the reason WHY DWP allow sites like workcircle (a portal for other jobsites through another jobsite) to advertise on UJM is an attempt to get round it. I know of no one todate but have you ever seen DWP direct a claimant to join say monster.com ?

    Although it never feels like it but every time you register to a site your giving whats known as implied consent which is legally binding. So you can see from that alone that LEGAL CONSENT is required in everycase.

    THE LAW (data protection act) states when processing personal and or sensitive data in these cases MUST SEEK LAWFUL CONSENT meaning it CANNOT BE GAINED THROUGH FORCE,THREAT OR DECEPTION. If this is the case, automatically the consent becomes non legally binding.

    Also you have a legal right at any time to remove such consent and the company or website must comply. While this is indeed useful, most of the damage within the law will have already been done so the person is better to refrain from giving any such consent day one.

    You also have a right to encrypt or better put, its not illegal at all to encrypt your data, yet if you try to upload it to UJM, the website refuses to take it. This also is a reasonable answer as to why you cannot register with UJM.

    Personally rather than get into confrontation, make up your registering/profile details and rather than post a CV, simply place a name,email address or phone number asking the potential employer or agency to contact you this way as your interested in the vacancy.

    With regard to search results while you can stop suggestions it actually does not stop them being produced so be creative. First off have 2 UJM accounts, one DWP know of and one only you know of. Secondly carry out the general jobsearch prior to signing into any account noting vacancies you are interested in. If any do interest you,simply use only the account you know of to apply.This way the UJM DWP know about will produce no results while not realizing the evidence you supply comes from the second (block out any of the screen that notes a different account to the one DWP have on file.

    Now DWP state a claimant must look into their UJM account at least once a day, well DWP didn’t stipulate what account if you catch my drift. Another thing DWP CANNOT STIPULATE is a claimant must apply through their said account. I say this as theirs more than one way to skin the same cat.

    By all claimants persistently doing things like i said above, DWPs notion of using UJM to profile and or sanction a claimant will have gone straight into the bin of ideas that didn’t work.

    Remember if you subtract all agency work, all portals from UJM that their would be next to no jobs at all.

    Finishing up on facebook,twitter ,etc, not only is this becoming the platform for jobs but its also the current platform employers use to check out perspective and current employees personal lives and traits so as to look to exclude you from a job vacancy or position.

    doug

    June 19, 2016 at 8:23 am

    • I believe I’m correct when I say that the DWP cannot order you to open a UJM account or use a UJM account anywhere outside of the Jobcentre. In other words you can legitimately refuse to have anything to do with UJM using your own computer or using any other computer not in the Jobcentre. I would imagine that they would demand you visit the Jobcentre on a daily basis if you did this but what the heck?

      Thinking about it how do people with no keyboard or IT skills that live miles away from Jobcentres and libraries manage to do worksearch at all? If you live in a rural area and, say, have worked on the land all your life and have no knowledge of, interest in, or access to the internet, how could any such person be able to do a 35 hour worksearch? Or, in fact, how could ANYBODY spend 35-hours a week “actively seeking work” no matter where they live alone and without guidance? I’m on UC and am supposed to do this and, no matter how much I think about it, cannot invent enough things and activities to do to fill this requirement and so end up proceeding at a snail’s pace taking hours to fill in application forms and applying for jobs that in theory I could do but would never be selected by any employer to do if other candidates were available.

      I’ve been on UC since the end of April and my Jobcentre has not given me one referral for a job. If the Jobcentre itself can’t find me vacancies to apply for how the hell do they expect me to drum them up and magic dozens of them, every month, out of thin air, unaided?

      Tim

      June 19, 2016 at 9:02 am

      • Look Tim,

        While DWP may be able to assert you open a UJM account, its perfectly reasonable and in accordance to the law to state officially that you take issue with the registration policy on use of data while commencing registration.

        A data subject (you) has the legal right to negotiate such terms and even after that disagree on the basis of unresolved issues. Its not about whats reasonable or not, its about what does the law say.

        Then theirs that same problem even with using DWP or provider computers which again requires a person to legally consent.

        (IN ORDER FOR CONSENT TO BE LEGALLY BINDING, IT MUST BE GIVEN FREELY AND NOT GAINED THROUGH FORCE, THREAT OR DECEPTION).

        Workcircle is reed employment agency so is not a jobsite but an agency.Another portal which name escapes me, is actually total jobs so you want to ignore going through UJM and the portal and just go direct to total jobs. You could put it down as total jobs but to help swat DWPs aims regarding UJM, just put it down as a UJM sourced job. If DWP cannot track you, their battleship is sunk.

        Do you know you don’t really have to supply written or photocopied evidence of your job search ?

        As long as a person does not consent to offer it this way, they can freely supply it via word of mouth.

        From that point its up to DWP to decide whether or not what you said is indeed the case. Now we know an advisor will attempt to sanction this person on the grounds of not available and actively seeking employment BUT the thing is they cant simply say that so must state how they arrived at that logic known as events leading upto.
        For that sanction to stand without the advisor be culpable for wilful fraud, they would have to admit they have a suspicion of you acting fraudulently. The citing of this makes this criminal be they DWP fraud or police fraud sections. As such under law a person has the presumption of innocence which in legal law means the burden of proof is on the one who declares, not on one who denies, which means DWP would have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that you indeed did commit fraud which we know they cant when that person hasn’t done such. So basically all DWP end up with is reasonable grounds for suspicion so its fair for them to instigate a sanction on the basis but cannot carry through and enforce it legally as you have been proven innocent of the charge dew to DWP having a lack of evidence.

        HAS’NT ANYONE EVER WONDERED WHY DWP HAS ITS OWN FRAUD SQUAD ?

        The next time an advisor questions your evidence however you present it try this.

        First have the advisor acknowledge their citing suspicion of fraud/deception which is easily done if you choose your words carefully. Next insist if the advisor feels that, that is the case then you fully support them picking up the phone right their and then and calling the police as it is criminal isn’t it and your a law abiding citizens so must comply with the law not to mention the civil servant (advisor) swore an oath called the civil servant code whereby one of them states a civil servant will OBEY AND ENFORCE THE LAW.

        Then come back and tell us if the advisor did call the police as i already know the answer so would like to demonstrate to you all what that answer will be and exactly why.

        doug

        June 19, 2016 at 12:30 pm

      • Tim

        I have to agree here with doug – he is quite right.

        I’m on JSA.

        Last year my cockroach tried a fast one – “give us the email receipts of your job applications, and we will get you a job” failure to comply meant a sanction. Thankfully the day before emailing it in I caught onto the insaneness of the request – how can a person get a job by producing the emails for jobs applied for?

        When confronted it was call in the G4S goons, who whereupon threatened to call the police [I was recording everything] I said fine. That was dropped. Then it was a Sanction Direction. That was dropped. Then it was go away. I demanded a written explanation of how such a move would get me a job. Near on a year later I am still waiting for that explanation.

        The biggest joke? I supplied them freely with application dates, job titles & contact email addresses from the get go.

        DWP problems:

        a] my data – cannot level threats to gain access
        b] reasons must be logical and within their perview
        c] reasons must be explainable.
        d] reasons must be truthful
        e] the use of a threat outside of their perview is ‘abuse of power’ – can be looked on as a criminal offense

        as stated previously fail on any of the above is gross misconduct by that official/manager for not managing appropriately [though we all know they are behind it]

        Gazza

        June 19, 2016 at 4:52 pm

      • Acting for email receipts of jobs applied for is common practice in Jobcentre Wonderland.

        Alice

        June 19, 2016 at 6:59 pm

    • The DWP are crafty. The will say: “I will log in to my Universal Jobmatch account to find and apply for jobs I can do”. Of course since all ‘jobs’ on Universal Jobmatch are off-site such as Workcircle how can a jobseeker apply since to apply through say Workcircle they have to register their personal and sensitive information with say, Workcircle to apply. The Jobcentre then go on to say: “I will check Workcircle and various other website”. Not apply but check! Apply only applies to Universal Jobmatch.

      Workcircle

      June 19, 2016 at 11:06 am

  6. Its not an attack on democracy or an act of terrorism.

    http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/the-voice-singer-alejandro-fuentes-dead-in-ambush-shooting-days-after-christina-grimmies-tragic-death/ar-AAhi53E?ocid=spartandhp

    ITS AN ACT OF DECADENCE.

    Just as it was for the MP who sadly lost her life the other day.

    doug

    June 19, 2016 at 12:32 pm

  7. Didn’t realise Owen Jones was gay 🙂 Need to get up to speed, oo-er 😉

    Watch Owen lose his temper and storm off at the end 🙂

    The Pink Fairies

    June 19, 2016 at 1:43 pm

    • Julia Hartley-Brewer has got a chip on her shoulder because, like Diane Abbot and Margaret Beckett, her hair is getting thinner.

      Barb

      June 21, 2016 at 11:28 am

  8. Car Crash TV

    June 20, 2016 at 4:54 am

  9. David Starky puts down upper-class, public school/Oxbridge educated, feminist, little shit Laurie Penny who claims she is “oppressed” lol “violence inherent in the discussion”: typical feminist shit.

    Bad Penny

    June 20, 2016 at 5:24 am

    • David Starkey is a right-wing bum-boy with a fondness for very young guys. Had he been born in ancient Sparta the creepy little shit would have been discarded at birth.

      Sammo

      June 21, 2016 at 11:24 am

      • I don’t know if Starkey is gay or not but do know that he is an elitist and an inveterate snob who looks down on and despises the working class and the poor, fro which, I believe, he can trace his own origins. I think he’s got a chip on his shoulder because he’s physically weak, puny and not much of a man.

        Barb

        June 21, 2016 at 11:35 am

      • Starkey also called Alex Salmond a “Caledonian Hitler” – not many people would argue with that 😉

        Babs

        June 21, 2016 at 2:32 pm

      • “The BBC received more than 150 complaints in January after Jeremy Paxman compared Mr Salmond to Zimbabwe president Robert Mugabe in an interview on the BBC2 TV programme Newsnight.” lol

        Babs

        June 21, 2016 at 2:43 pm

    • If that’s Laurie Penny behind Starkey she’s certainly let herself go hasn’t she?

      Barb

      June 21, 2016 at 11:26 am

    • Each is as bad as the other. But look how long is took Laurie Penny to come up with that cock and bull story about how she thought the debate was a “set up” and didn’t want to attend so instead of backing out she decided to “charge a ridiculous amount of money” so they wouldn’t want her to attend lol And then tries to back it up by saying: “But I don’t have much” lol Owned!

      Babs

      June 21, 2016 at 2:27 pm

  10. Arbeit Macht Frei

    June 20, 2016 at 8:16 am

  11. A demonstration of making crime pay

    http://www.expressandstar.com/news/crime/2016/06/19/man-sentenced-for-9-8k-benefits-fraud/

    Now this person defrauded £9800 yet his sentence will cost the taxpayers around £8,820 for the 18 weeks or should i say would have.

    You see this person was already in prison so the sentence they were handed would by order of that court run alongside his original sentence and NOT added to it like some might think.

    SO, not only will he technically not serve the sentence what with already being their, he will also not have to pay back the £9,800 so even though the taxpayer hasn’t got to foot that figure of £8,820, they sadly have to pay the higher £9,800 instead that can now nolonger be reclaimed.

    DWP might have got justice but Kenneth Bailey got the LAST LAUGH as for him anyway, this 2 for the price of 1 crime paid off.

    doug

    June 20, 2016 at 10:29 am

    • doug

      don’t forget the cost of the prosecution trial…

      I suspect that was not 4 figures but mid-range 5 figures. Stupid. And even if they got a costs order. How were they going to make him pay up?

      Nuts.

      Gazza

      June 20, 2016 at 5:53 pm

  12. DLA to PIP mandatory reconsideration success rate halves in a year

    http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/3527-dla-to-pip-mandatory-reconsideration-success-rate-halves-in-a-year

    Is it me or is everyone ignoring the fact that that’s an awful lot of mandatory reconsideration’s in a year ?

    doug

    June 20, 2016 at 10:45 am

    • That is a pretty amazing statistic, and it ends with the statement,

      “The DWP have offered no explanation for the fall in success rates for DLA to PIP mandatory reconsiderations.”

      Andrew Coates

      June 20, 2016 at 3:26 pm

      • Why I was wrong about welfare reform, a cautionary tale the Tories should heed.

        http://www.bendbulletin.com/opinion/4445211-151/column-why-i-was-wrong-about-welfare-reform?referrer=bullet2

        If you ever want to travel time in the UK, you can simply just stare at the USA because they are either already doing or have done. As you will read MORE PEOPLE CLAIM FOOD STAMPS than welfare benefits.
        The USA policy is to supply welfare benefits only for a period of 5 years. After that its food stamps.

        Hidden by American media and politics, America has a massive poverty and homeless problem not to mention as a result, massive drug, crime and prison problems where they look up more people per capita than anywhere else on the entire planet. Also America scores extremely low in global education stats.

        In the case of the UK, just replace the foodstamp with foodbanks and hardship payments. As your see we quite clearly echo the trend now greatly ingrained in American culture and society.

        doug

        June 21, 2016 at 7:49 am

      • It might only be paid for 5 years, but over that 5 year period you would receive equivalent of 40 years of UK JSA, so if you were smart enough you would squirrel some away and secrete it somewhere away from prying government eyes in order to tide you over and eke out your food-stamps.

        Yank

        June 21, 2016 at 11:24 am

      • Give us a link Yank as all i can find indicates the average payment stateside is around $810 dollars a month and $100 dollars in foodstamps a month.

        doug

        June 22, 2016 at 6:58 am

  13. Truthseekers

    June 21, 2016 at 4:30 am

    • What a load of codswallop, this video proves nothing of the sort. Putting aside hysteria often people at funerals express laughter or happiness indirectly through such things as stress,anxiety and so forth.Then when people recant past memories of times with the departed, always they recant the happy moments.

      Nice try but no sandy hook.

      doug

      June 21, 2016 at 6:50 am

      • If you weren’t actually THERE you never really know what happened if ANYTHING. Your OPINIONS are being FORMED as well as YOUR EMOTIONS and THOUGHTS being MANIPULATED from what is PRESENTED to you via your TELESCREEN!

        Outside the Box

        June 21, 2016 at 11:31 am

      • Outside the Box

        June 21, 2016 at 11:33 am

      • Even when thinking outside the box, if its not peer reviewed, its just philosophy, an opinion that until time transpires to prove is just that.

        doug

        June 21, 2016 at 12:16 pm

    • Outside the Box

      what you are trying to do in diverting away from the motives of this man does not detract from the following:

      is known to follow & is affliated with neo-nazi’s
      britexit is a neo-nazi dream
      his words – covered by multiple people in court backs up his motivation (cue: What he named himself as & supported in open court)

      I am sure if you look hard enuff, you will find someone who agrees with you

      I do however find it ironic that an american anti-nazi outfit was the first to point out his links to neo-nazi’s.

      Gazza

      June 21, 2016 at 12:04 pm

  14. http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Oakwell+Hall+thriving+with+help+of+volunteers.-a0227735906

    Thomas Mair, 46, started volunteering at the park after learning about the opportunity through the Mirfield-based Pathways Day Centre for adults with mental health problems.

    He said: “I can honestly say it has done me more good than all the psychotherapy and medication in the world. “Many people who suffer from mental illness are socially isolated and disconnected from society, feelings of worthlessness are also common mainly caused by long-term unemployment.

    “All these problems are alleviated by doing voluntary work.

    “Getting out of the house and meeting new people is a good thing, but more important in my view is doing physically demanding and useful labour.

    “When you have finished there is a feeling of achievement which is emotionally rewarding and psychologically fulfilling.

    “For people for whom full-time, paid employment is not possible for a variety of reasons, voluntary work offers a socially positive and therapeutic alternative.”

    Pissing

    June 21, 2016 at 6:07 am

    • This must be why Government workfare programmes are always physically demanding labour – like stacking heavy pallets of timber, toiling in ‘recycling’ plants, sorting through shitty knickers in ‘charity’ shops. Because it is ‘good’ for the victims – they just don”t realise it. ‘Thomas’ could have been a poster boy for the DWP MWA and CWP workfare schemes.

      *All content (including images) in this comment is for illustrative purposes only.

      "Thomas's" Story

      June 21, 2016 at 10:22 am

      • Look up the ILO convention as that is one of the contributing factors to the sorts of work claimants get offered. Also don’t forget these trades you speak of require no skillset, the same trades DWP push claimants to apply to because welfare has never apart from once invested in retraining claimants.

        Basically DWP and government are lazy and don’t merit any type of investment in people besides our youth but even then had NEETS figures been really low, they wouldn’t have bothered with that either.

        doug

        June 21, 2016 at 12:21 pm

  15. Why I was wrong about welfare reform, a cautionary tale the Tories should heed.

    http://www.bendbulletin.com/opinion/4445211-151/column-why-i-was-wrong-about-welfare-reform?referrer=bullet2

    If you ever want to travel time in the UK, you can simply just stare at the USA because they are either already doing or have done. As you will read MORE PEOPLE CLAIM FOOD STAMPS than welfare benefits.
    The USA policy is to supply welfare benefits only for a period of 5 years. After that its food stamps.

    Hidden by American media and politics, America has a massive poverty and homeless problem not to mention as a result, massive drug, crime and prison problems where they look up more people per capita than anywhere else on the entire planet. Also America scores extremely low in global education stats.

    In the case of the UK, just replace the foodstamp with foodbanks and hardship payments. As your see we quite clearly echo the trend now greatly ingrained in American culture and society.

    doug

    June 21, 2016 at 7:50 am

  16. Benefit fraud: pubic perception and reality

    Now the last time this topic came around surveys discovered the public believed 24% of all benefit claims were fraudulent but as we know by government issued reports it was only 0.7%.

    WELL now a new survey sees the public polled now believing 80% of all benefit claims were fraudulent.

    If your any good at advanced math you will discover if we go with the reported 0.7% that when considering all benefits and distribute it among all cities and towns that it implies less than 1 person per jobcentre commits and is charged with fraud per year.

    Now for a while i have been tracking benefit fraud not just through government releases and polls/surveys but also through media and court records. Believe it or not, we as a country spend more money highlighting and chasing and convicting benefit fraudsters than we actually save as a result of being preventive.

    So through another clever equations i can now say, benefit fraud is so small, its actually cheaper for the taxpayer to let it continue. Funny as it echos how people not in the work programme had a better chance of finding work than those on the work programme.

    If people spend the time be they working or not, using official statistics and surveys but this time ask a different question (equation form), they will see that the new welfare reforms are actually negatively impacting reform. Americas Clinton as i posted above has just admitted his welfare reforms didn’t work, that they made the situation worse. Basically all that happened in the states was the people that use to be on welfare benefits merely shifted to those on foodstamps which is considered the lowest form of benefit which compared to us would be our food banks and hard ship payments.

    You will find with further investigation that had DWP not defined who and who had hardship payments and that you had to pay them back (a disincentive to want to claim), that it easily would have equaled the figures reported at foodbanks,clothsbanks and soup kitchens and would have left the Tories with no choice but to admit, their welfare reform simply DOES NOT WORK in its current form.

    doug

    June 21, 2016 at 8:35 am

  17. Internet Governance. coming soon.

    http://www.oecd.org/internet/internet-governance.htm

    The Internet Governance Forum

    https://www.intgovforum.org/cms/

    enigma

    June 21, 2016 at 9:02 am

    • Utter rubbish.

      Ive been a computer and internet user since the very beginning, ive watched the internet grow for over 3 decades and trends is one of my favorite past times.

      Trust has very little to do with people and amounts of people using the internet. As rotten as the internet is, its a drug people are addicted to largely as result of industries facilitating that all life should be all their (oneshop existence) and its use is increasing every year. Take gaming for example, despite mass hacking, stealing and cheating, its use has increased. Despite people being caught out through using facebook and twitter, they still see their figures grow every year.

      What the internet has done has connect people like never before, allowing us to ponder and share our thoughts and discoveries. From this all the global public have learnt their respective governments are as crooked as the people they profess to protect us from and as a result have been caught lying constantly to their respective public.

      Theirs no denying governments are every bit as dangerous as terrorist and criminals as is the discovery that corporations are too towards public security. Only a complete idiot would not see this considering the mass of material nailing one person after the other.

      As far as im concerned i will not allow the government to rule my internet life and like so many other billions of users are fully prepared for the in suing cyber war where i will see my public status of UK citizen being reduced to being called a terrorist despite never for criminal purposes, using the internet for fun and work.

      doug

      June 21, 2016 at 10:12 am

  18. Welfare reform: is not personal, its a matter of logistics

    Now a lot of people have formed the opinion that Tories just hate poor people but the truth is your flattering yourself because they besides a stat don’t even know or care of your existence except for occasions where it furthers their political career.

    Had governments not introduced QE, we would have seen and lived first hand the great depression times 10. What this QE did but now removed is failing, was blur the class line so effectively government could help those requiring very little to no support like the middle class and upwards to maintain the normal pre 2008 life. Sadly what this meant was as they couldn’t help all the people so those lowest down would bear the brunt. Now had Osborne while in the coalition actually sorted the issue as he and the Tories promised they would in 5 years despite weaseling out of it later it would have been all ok. Now the astute members of our society realized when not using the new Tory fudged math that infact the UK had still declined and showed little progress. Osborne while being interviewed once gave slip to the fact this was so when he quite verbally assertive while smiling refused to acknowledge the original former math.

    Now as things stand, Osborne is again still on target to fail once again in his promise to balance the books by 2020 what with still having to find 44 billion in savings. So its clearly understood, even if he could get the savings, as a country we still wouldn’t have paid back all the money the Tories have borrowed since 2010.

    Lastly if we omit a companies size, it works out that actually the UK would have benefited more if all the QE was given to the lowest of our society to spend than it has giving it to bail out the banks,businesses and the wealthy who have effectively taken the money and stuck a tap on the trickle down part of capitalism and although not entirely responsible have contributed to putting the UK in the awkward position it is now.

    doug

    June 21, 2016 at 9:11 am

  19. Side effects of cashing in on your pension

    Former police control room worker from Northampton told he’s ineligible for any benefits

    http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/former-police-control-room-worker-from-northampton-told-he-s-ineligible-for-any-benefits-1-7440942

    doug

    June 21, 2016 at 9:13 am

    • Most people should know by now, but obviously there will be many people who havn’t a clue.

      enigma

      June 21, 2016 at 10:22 am

    • This has always been the case; the same applies to redundancy payments. You are expected to ‘pay yourself’ JSA until such times as it is ‘used up’. And if you decide to ‘squander’ it on colour TVs, music centres and package holidays to Florida the DWP will assume that you still have the cash – ‘notional capital’ and will refuse your claim to JSA as a consequence.

      Redundant Steel-worker

      June 21, 2016 at 10:47 am

      • Overheard a woman in the jobcentre getting the nth degree from a cock roach. She had lost her job and was trying to claim JSA but this cock roach was convinced that she had received a “redundancy payment” and had a “hidden bank account”. He went on and on and on… saying the same thing over and over again… Must have been over an hour when I had to leave the jobcentre. She just kept saying: “You are just keeping on repeating yourself”. Typical interrogation technique: just keep repeating yourself until the ‘suspect’ can take no more and ‘breaks down’. Pity you can’t ‘lurk around’ in the Jobcentre; it would have been interesting to find out if this cock roach obtained his ‘confession’.

        Overheard in the Jobcentre

        June 21, 2016 at 11:01 am

      • She always had bank statements in front of her too which the cock roach was perusing through. But this cock roach giving the ninth degree was hellbent on unearthing a ‘hidden back account’. Maybe you find them in shop windows along with ‘hidden jobs’ 🙂

        Overheard in the Jobcentre

        June 21, 2016 at 11:04 am

      • Yep. People claiming benefits are assumed to be guilty until they prove themselves innocent, a complete reversal of the normal state of innocent until proven guilty.

        Barb

        June 21, 2016 at 11:38 am

      • Interesting story their overheard in the jobcentre as its a pity this new claimant hadn’t realized DWP was inciting fraud. You see had she had said. ” well if that’s what you think then lets start criminal proceedings”, the advisor wouldn’t have barked on as long as they did.

        doug

        June 21, 2016 at 12:56 pm

    • “The DWP said, even though Mr Cotterell intends to use the money from cashing in the plans to fund his retirement, because it is in cash, it is now classed as savings.” Of course if it was “tied up” in property it wouldn’t count. The DWP definition of “cash” is just about anything excluding “property”.

      Rackman

      June 21, 2016 at 11:12 am

  20. Drug addicts and alcoholics are receiving benefits because they claim they cannot work due to their habit

    http://www.basildonrecorder.co.uk/news/14568308.Drug_addicts_and_alcoholics_are_receiving_benefits_because_they_claim_they_cannot_work_due_to_their_habit/

    NOW this is how stigma remains as despite offering figures, not once did this media outlet acknowledge a problem that goes as far back as 2000 bit also failed to offer the slightest solution to resolving it.

    YOU SEE since 2000 Thurrock has seen year on year the escalation of drugs in their community. Now like so many rather than acknowledge it closely timelines the loss of industry in Thurrock over the same period, they have spent the time first ignoring it, then rhetoric mantra of drug gangs and now the demonisation of addicts.

    This full of crap newspaper who displays the mental acuity of a 2 year old (their trying to be clever) is nothing more than a mouth piece of hate, an extremist article akin to terrorists who share the same practice of ignoring real facts, making generic statements that could mean more than one thing and the hope that people will place a belief over fact.

    Thurrock isn’t Colombia so they cant claim drug cartels and mass trafficking operations but what they can claim is systematic evidence linking drug and drink abuse related to redundancies and the removal of or collapse of industries in the area as is the case anywhere on the planet today.

    doug

    June 21, 2016 at 9:35 am

  21. Food banks on the increase.

    Food bank being launched to prevent children going hungry during summer holidays.

    A pioneering food bank scheme is being introduced in the UK to stop children going hungry during the summer holidays.

    The £38,000 pilot project will reach youngsters who get free school meals during term time.

    Parcels provided by a food bank will be given out from three distribution centres covering Hartlepool in Co Durham.

    Coun Alan Clark said: ”I think it is really sad that it is something we are having to do, but it is a sign of the times we are living in.”

    The project will be partly delivered with Hartlepool Foodbank operators the Trussell Trust , and councillors agreed the pilot project will run for the six week school holidays this summer.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/food-bank-being-launched-prevent-8245554

    enigma

    June 21, 2016 at 1:50 pm

  22. PHYSIO WORLD Ltd.

    Data Protection , sensitive personal data is shared with companies that did not exist when original consent was given.

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/data_protection_sensitive_person#incoming-810828

    enigma

    June 21, 2016 at 1:55 pm

    • Unfortunately if you look into the data policy, your find as regards DWP, that they can pass it on to future contracted companies not yet on their books.

      The one you get while registering is only a part of the data policy, for full details you must ask in writing.

      doug

      June 22, 2016 at 7:13 am

      • Benefits cheat used drug profits to set up a zoo in the back garden of his suburban home with dozens of snakes, tortoises, turkeys and sheep

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3652105/Benefits-cheat-used-drug-profits-set-zoo-garden-suburban-home-dozens-snakes-tortoises-turkeys-sheep.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

        Odd title considering their line, “He said he made £54,000 selling 30 bearded dragons each month and bred 9,000 fish each year in a 50ft lake specially constructed at the bottom of his garden. He said he also sold Shar Pei puppies, tortoises and 250 corn snakes each year”.

        I don’t see any counter argument presented proving different.

        Then theirs i quote the line, “But Judge Mark Savill said: ‘The way the money was found and bundled highly suggests to it being drug money.”

        This denotes the court couldn’t actually prove with good solid physical evidence that this man was infact a drug dealer meaning his only crime is possession or at worst intent to supply.

        I could go on about the holes in this story but i think these tow points demonstrate the point quite well.

        doug

        June 22, 2016 at 7:43 am

      • The Police Interceptors state that they can seize cash over £1000! And according this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powers_of_the_police_in_Scotland they can. “The police can also stop and search without having a search warrant if they suspect someone of being in possession ofcash or the cash equivalent of £1,000 or more and that this is the result of criminal activity” £1,000 just has to be the result of ‘criminal activity’ though… 😉

        Police Interceptors

        June 22, 2016 at 12:06 pm

  23. I am Polish bus driver who came to UK fifteen years ago. Then I could make £12 per hour. Now I am lucky to make minimum wage. The UK has too many immigrants who will work for less. I am very angry! I am voting to get fuck out of EU.

    Pawel

    June 21, 2016 at 7:26 pm

    • Fifteen years in this country and you still write English like a seven year old.

      (If you’re Polish I’m a Dutchwoman, twat.)

      Barb

      June 22, 2016 at 8:36 am

    • Pawel

      the language you use & writing style does not pass the smell test of another person further up this page – “Pawel” just a name change from …..

      Gazza

      June 22, 2016 at 9:15 am

      • Hugh sed spelyng an grmar woz importent. wutabut ver spelcheker

        edukated edward

        June 22, 2016 at 10:50 am

      • Am good hard work from Bulgaria. No want welfare. Marry english woman have 2 x english babies. Work hard pay taxes five years now. Vote out. No more foreigner in country tiptop. Want russian man Boris for president good is. No smart. UKIP white shine.

        Mr Lazar Borisov

        June 22, 2016 at 3:45 pm

  24. enigma

    June 21, 2016 at 9:54 pm

    • Whistleblowers come forward with explosive allegations about the EU Referendum.

      http://www.thecanary.co/2016/06/21/breaking-whistleblowers-come-forward-explosive-allegations-eu-referendum/

      enigma

      June 21, 2016 at 10:07 pm

      • I agree and believe that Boris Johnson, Iain Duncan Smith, Preeti Patel, Nigel Farage, Michael Gove, John Whittingdale, Chris Grayling et al are all infiltrators from the pro-Europe lobby into the anti-Europe lobby, the idea being that such dismally unattractive and hopelessly flawed individuals commending Brexit to the public would inspire normal and sane individuals, repulsed by their stupidity, antics and lies, to cast their vote for Bremain tomorrow.

        And it’s worked.

        In spades.

        As someone who is pro-Europe I comment you all, particularly Boris and Iain, for your tireless efforts to drive as many people as possible from Brexit to Bremain. You’ve all done sterling work. God bless you.

        Barb

        June 22, 2016 at 8:34 am

      • Surely these eminently sane and rational people attract immediate trust:

        Andrew Coates

        June 22, 2016 at 10:21 am

      • These are different times and you only have to cast your mind back to prior the last election where UKIP gained seats to know peoples tastes are slowing changing.
        America is a prime example as look at support for sanders and trump that absolutely swamps Hillary. People are moving away from mainstream politics.

        Talking of America do you notice how despite all the ideas on gun control after the Orlando shooting, not one single American who had a camera on them, even Obama put forward the idea of stop making guns then as its their AR15 that’s the mass murders choice.

        Interestingly when you look at non existent mental health care in the states and how most people with mental health issues are locked up in prisons rather than treated, is it any wonder mental health patients make better killers than terrorists. Mental health patients are involved in so many American massacres, they make terrorists look like amateurs.

        doug

        June 22, 2016 at 11:26 am

    • The EU referendum boils down to the following: if you have a good job, a business (particularly one which relies on cheap labour, property, investments… you are better off in the EU. But if you have fuck all and have to compete for shitty jobs and social housing, any sort of housing you are better out off the EU. The poor are being hammered to fuck in this country. You have to ask yourself: would remaining in the EU going to improve the lot of the poor? Or will the poor be exploited regardless! Would leaving the EU improve the lot of the poor? It’s open to debate: but it is certainly true to say that if you are in the bottom economic strata in the UK life is really shitty and getting shitter by the day. Leaving the EU would definitely be a huge kick in the teeth for the moneyed classes.

      Voice of Reason

      June 23, 2016 at 4:55 am

      • But it’s the government that isn’t building social housing or capping private rents, and it’s the government that has frozen benefits and made them much harder to get and hold onto, and it’s the government that is whittling away at human and worker’s rights along with health and safety. If you think that things would be better for the struggling in an isolated United Kingdom ruled over by a free market mad, deregulatory crazy Conservative government that has already given us the Bedroom Tax and Universal Credit and rents that are unaffordable even to people on the minimum wage working all the hours that God sends you must be crazy.

        The EU has been a brake which has slowed the Conservative’s ambitious programme of cruelty and aim to make the poorest sections of the workforce completely supine and subservient to employers and landlords.

        Leaving the EU would affect the jobless and the working poor the worst of all.

        James Dandy

        June 23, 2016 at 7:26 am

      • Have you actually take the trouble to look at who’s pushing for Brexit? Do any of these people look like they’re friends of the poor? Pretty much all of them are uber right-wingers angling for a way to implement their own versions of social Darwinism. Don’t drink the Koolade, sport. Take a good look at the people championing Brexit and think again.

        Tarot

        June 23, 2016 at 7:43 am

      • lol at the fat fascist Nicola Sturgeon stood beside the orange plane* as it prepared to take another load of ‘holidaymakers’ to Amsterdamned telling us that if we vote Leave it will mean the end of our cheap flights and we will need a Kremlin visa personally signed by Vladimir Putin and whole of the Politburo to enter or leave the UK. Pity she didn’t get sucked into those jet engine – that would have given yet another new hairstyle.

        *SleazyJet

        Rain

        June 23, 2016 at 8:21 am

      • You’re a real sucker, sport.

        https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/20/brexit-fake-revolt-eu-working-class-culture-hijacked-help-elite

        Man you’re being shafted by the Brexiters (jus like poor working Americans are by Donald Trump) and you don’t even know it.

        Steve

        June 23, 2016 at 9:21 am

      • Why I’m in: Pushing for Lexit won’t help migrants or the working class

        When the UK has to trade in workers’ rights for a new trade deal, migrant workers will be the hardest hit

        “Voting for leave will exclude migrant workers, and normalise restrictions on their rights and not encourage their participation in the political process of creating a viable left wing alternative. Lexit only resonates with those who have access to employment, language and immigration status advantages. If you support migrant and workers’ rights, there really is only one option – vote remain.”

        http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/eu-referendum-brexit-why-i-m-in-pushing-for-lexit-won-t-help-migrants-or-the-working-class-a7095946.html

        Andrew Coates

        June 23, 2016 at 10:59 am

      • In or Out of the European Union is the wrong question to ask. We should be deciding what kind of society we want.

        http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/eu-referendum-brexit-remain-leave-in-out-european-union-what-it-means-society-a7097066.html

        enigma

        June 23, 2016 at 11:10 am

  25. Drug testing produces negative results.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/21/michigan-welfare-drug-testing-program

    Remember the Tory idea of testing for drugs and alcohol claimants prior to handing out benefits ?

    Well here’s a place that tried it and its results.

    doug

    June 22, 2016 at 7:48 am

  26. Andrew/enigma/doug

    Here’s a question that has just occured to me :

    What is the status of those who have had a sanction. Does this mean that there are no NI contributions for their pension. Could this conceivably mean that at the extreme they get no pension if the period is long enough? As the Gov is encouraging everyone to get a pension? How does that legally square with the Gov – who knowningly effects negatively your ability to contribute to a pension – the requirement for contributions from everyone, if on benefits or otherwise?

    Gazza

    June 22, 2016 at 9:09 am

    • As far as i know if sanctioned you lose that NI contribution for that period. With that said though if the sanctioned person could find the money, its perfectly legal to pay them yourself while claiming be you sanctioned or not. Its a fixed amount but not to pricey.

      doug

      June 22, 2016 at 9:44 am

  27. Brexit is a dead duck according to the Bookies, who have seen a BIG swing towards remain. Based on current data remain is about 10 points ahead of Brexit (Remain: 57%: Leave 43%). I’m so happy that sanity has prevailed over hate, lies and mythology. Boris Johnson backed the wrong side and is fucked. Good. The only downside is that Farage will carry on gassing for the foreseeable future until his health fails of some other kipper stages a coup and deposes him.

    General joy all told.

    The British aren’t as stupid and credulous as some thought or hoped that they would be.

    Hurrah!

    Barb

    June 22, 2016 at 9:12 am

    • Heard the phrase, “walk a mile in another mans shoes” ?

      If we remain we will never know what would have happened if we had left and it works both ways.

      Its not insane to want to leave the EU if that is a persons choice and as for the lies,well that went on ,on both sides as did the hate.

      I find it odd Cameron’s in the remain camp as he up till all this began was the most vocal about Europe, even stated if he didn’t get hes way he would support leaving it. Its very fishy how the Tories have taken over the whole thing.

      To suppress another’s view and choices is undemocratic so if the side that always lost now wins, you like me must except that plain and simple.

      doug

      June 22, 2016 at 9:54 am

      • It would be a *lot* more interesting to see what would happen if we did vote to Leave. In referendums the Government doesn’t have to “respect the wishes of the electorate” much in the same way that a judge doesn’t have to follow the recommendations of a jury. Suspect that the Government would ignore a Leave vote. We could end up in the situation in Eire where the Government kept calling a referendum until the electorate voted the “correct” way. There is already provision for this up until the end of 2017.

        JezBollah

        June 22, 2016 at 10:28 am

      • Cameron will be gone within three years. Hopefully Johnson now has painted himself into a corner And we’ll remain in the civilising EU for the foreseeable future, certainly for the next twenty-five years or so which is the main thing. Lovely.

        Barb

        June 22, 2016 at 11:17 am

      • Until you die you’ll never know if an afterlife exists. Personally I’m in no hurry to find out what happens beyond death or what happens to Britain outside of the EU. I like being alive now and living my life in a country joined to other first world countries, as part of the largest single market the world has ever seen, than struggling to get by outside that great and powerful economic bloc. There’s fifty states in the USA and one of the smallest is Idaho… which is the same size as England! Alone we would be weak, together we are strong.

        Barb

        June 22, 2016 at 11:23 am

      • doug

        you’re right in that we – if it is a reman vote – will never know if it had taken place.

        I mentioned in the past that [not the EU as it does what its told by the Govs] the other leaders are now intent on making an example of anyone who went down that path – from all accounts from the BBC article it would/will be be ugly for whoever takes that path.

        EU zone biggest/easiest market – barriers go up
        financing – ditto
        other areas just as difficult – UK imports more than half its food, I am not suggesting they’d make UK starve but things would become uncomfortable right quick.
        UKIP suggestion to drag out time frame to time of their choosing? – Leaders having none of that, either in or kicked out, with all the chaos involved rather than drag it out
        Fishing – ditto
        industry – ditto
        prices rising left right and centre – and staying high for decades as that’s how long for things to adjust
        etc etc

        Honestly, why have fair financial/industrial competion if you’re not part of the club?

        Gazza

        June 22, 2016 at 11:39 am

    • Better the Devil you know than the Devil you don’t 😉

      The Devil's Tune

      June 22, 2016 at 11:07 am

      • The Devil's Tune

        June 22, 2016 at 11:11 am

  28. OT: Recording

    h/t : Refuted

    Oh dearie dearie me, with regards to the letter DWP issued me about recording last year.

    Links of interest regarding lawfulness and circumstances:

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/unacceptable_customer_behaviour_2#incoming-828363

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/336823/response/828363/attach/html/6/Unauthorised%20Filming%20Guidance%20June%2016%20uncontrolled.pdf.html

    “The Data Protection Act 1998
    It is not strictly speaking a breach of the Data Protection Act for Claimants to film either
    inside or indeed outside DWP premises. This is the case providing the customer is intending
    to use the recordings purely for their ‘personal, family or household affairs’. This is a fairly
    broad exemption and will likely cover most situations involving Claimants filming inside a
    DWP office.”

    .
    .
    .
    “One of the policies the DWP has put in place to
    ensure that as a Data controller (organisation that holds and processes data) it complies with
    the 7th Data Protection Principle (see below) of the Data Protection Act 1998 is to ban
    claimants filming or sound recording within DWP offices. This is the main justification for
    preventing Claimants from filming within DWP offices.”

    ME: This won’t fly if you are recording harassment, attempting to use this excuse/unable to explain behaviour is collusion & conspiracy.

    Gazza

    June 22, 2016 at 9:54 am

    • As you know and i suspect, DWP omitted to put in the FOI response as section 4 paragraph one begs to differ and that’s not the only exemption either.

      Recording in DWP is no different to recording in say a supermarket while another person puts their numbers in while paying for food via credit card. Per say theirs no law that allows any person or company to apply force be it verbal or physical to enforce a no film policy.

      Their are instances where its critical like hospitals with regards to say heart monitors but again they can only ask. You cannot be arrested for it as you are a member of the public and not a company/business/government department who are the only entities subject to the following of the regulation.

      All you will find is laws on how one can record and how it is stored and accessed.

      All DWP can do is ask you to kindly stop recording or leave the building unless DWP want to start getting into the habit of accusing all claimants of being terrorists when they record. Also worthy of note, you cannot be threatened with a sanction for it either.

      doug

      June 22, 2016 at 10:11 am

  29. Who gets housing benefit and what does it cost?

    http://www.theguardian.com/housing-network/2016/jun/22/housing-benefit-cost-claimants-single-mothers

    You notice the age groups that get the least support are the highest recipients of housing benefit ?

    doug

    June 22, 2016 at 10:17 am

  30. Jobcentre issues ILLEGAL “Jobseeker’s Direction”

    Jobcentre Illegality

    June 22, 2016 at 11:44 am

    • I await with bated breath for the fools to try this with me – It might well happen very soon as since Discriminating Mark Cock is no longer on the field of play, I have a new advisor – me thinks it’ll get interesting right quick.

      In other news WP provider has just informed me they’re moving round the corner!
      What must a person do to rid themselves of this stench! [at least it’ll save on the travel time/expenses]
      Though I did look forward to the trips into town. Ah well….

      Gazza

      June 22, 2016 at 12:57 pm

      • The letter is dated 2013. I think the Jobcentres have learned their lesson by now and wouldn’t dare try to pull strokes like this currently.

        Tim

        June 22, 2016 at 4:01 pm

      • Tim

        my bad – I didn’t spot that.

        Gazza

        June 22, 2016 at 5:04 pm

    • Jobcentre Illegality

      Head on over to unemploymentmovement to seek advice on the letters to chuck this rubbish out.

      IMPORTANT – when you confront them, before you drop it on them verify that the advisor is behind this as is the manager. That way you can show if you get more rubbish from the staff it is a] preplanned abuse of law (power), b] organized, c] deliberate and therefore harrassment.

      Here have a look at this:

      http://unemploymentmovement.com/forum/job-centre/462-refuted-on-ujm-access.html
      https://wwwrefuteddotorgdotuk.wordpress.com/2015/06/04/unfair/

      OR:

      http://unemploymentmovement.com/forum/job-centre/462-refuted-on-ujm-access.html#2843

      Further:

      http://unemploymentmovement.com/forum/job-centre/462-refuted-on-ujm-access.html?start=7#2851

      [Would suggest log on and take screen shots of settings etc before attending – so you can match and change back later]

      Gazza

      June 22, 2016 at 1:09 pm

    • UJM Info for ALL Users

      http://unemploymentmovement.com/forum/job-centre/113-universal-job-match-account-tampering.html#1010

      “Right, I’ve solved the mystery. Universal Job Match’s software will only accept a maximum of three entries in the Activity History. If I add any more it just randomly deletes them until there’s three left. I have over 380 saved entries in the Activity History so maybe there is a limited amount of memory allocated to this section. It does make keeping a work record on UJM pretty pointless though because there’s no way that I can provide a comprehensive coverage of my work search activity if I’m limited to three entries and each of those has a 250 character limit.”

      ME : So basicalyl a crap system, craps itself by deleting input…. hhhhmmmm… so you have no evidence…. hhhhmmm would this deletion be used for applying a Sanction I wonder….

      Gazza

      June 22, 2016 at 2:41 pm

      • Bloody hell, so after all this time there has been absolutely no improvements on universal jobmatch?!

        Universal Jobmatch

        June 22, 2016 at 3:56 pm

      • Universal Jobmatch

        no improvements? There has been loads of improvements old chap… thousands and thousands of sheep… er sorry I mispoke, Claimants have been Sanctioned off benefits, sorry about that I meant encouraged to take the “Offflow route away from benefit dependancy [I am channeling my inner Mr Andrew Perkins, or as he is better known as “Mr A Prik”]

        As for spending money. Why? It does exactly what we want it to do.

        Gazza

        June 22, 2016 at 5:03 pm

      • This is why I have never bother with U.J.

        I use C.V Library and screen print the jobs I apply for and take those prints with me when I sign on.

        I have never had a problem with any JCP adviser using this method.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        June 25, 2016 at 10:55 am

    • One of the benefits of being in the EU is its laws in respect to cookies and data privacy which renders the above “direction” completely illegal. In point of fact, because UJM can’t work without planting cookies on computer, which is illegal without your consent, no one can make anyone use UJM outside of the Jobcentre or on any machines not owned by the DWP.

      YOU CANNOT BE MADE TO USE UJM ON YOUR OWN EQUIPMENT OUTSIDE OF THE JOBCENTRE.

      Also you can legally deny the DWP the right to track your activity on UJM by unchecking the checkbox that gives them permission to do this. EVERYONE SHOULD DENY THE DWP THE POWER TO TRACK THEM ONLINE.

      Stand up for your rights and don’t just go along with everything they tell you.

      Tim

      June 22, 2016 at 3:58 pm

      • Tim

        Over on unemploymentmovement it appears that DWP is up to its old tricks. Thankfully the person is getting good advice on how to deal with this. [Someone put up an example letter, this one by all accounts from when last they tried this on]

        Gazza

        June 22, 2016 at 6:12 pm

      • Don’t forget to disable all of the alerts on U.J. to none. It’s default setting is one per week. Set it to none and don’t forget to hit the save button. After that it can’t be reset because the dialogue box disappears after you have set it to none.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        June 25, 2016 at 12:24 pm

    • With agressive bullying and intimidation and G4s over the right shoulder been there,once G4s stood behind the bully the whole appointment.

      ken

      June 22, 2016 at 9:32 pm

  31. Poorer children disproportionately affected by austerity measures, says UN.

    UN committee calls on ministers to act as it says benefit cap and tax credit cuts are undermining children’s rights to adequate standard of living.

    The UN committee on the rights of the child said it was “seriously concerned” about the disproportionate impact on poorer children of a range of government policies, from the benefit cap and tax credit cuts to mental health.

    It calls on the UK, which is a voluntary signatory to the UN convention on the rights of the child (CRC), to do more to ensure children’s rights to adequate health, living standards, housing and education are met.

    The UN report says it is concerned that UK child poverty rates remain high and calls on the government – which dropped statutory child poverty targets this year – to re-establish detailed and “concrete” measures to ensure it meets its UN poverty reduction commitments within a set time frame.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jun/09/poorer-children-disproportionately-affected-by-austerity-measures-says-un

    enigma

    June 22, 2016 at 2:04 pm

  32. EU referendum: Elderly man ‘punched in the face for handing out Remain leaflets’

    A 78-year-old man has been punched in the face while handing out Remain leaflets, it has been alleged.

    The man was reportedly giving out the leaflets on a busy high street in Carlisle when he became involved in an altercation with another man, 52, about the upcoming EU referendum.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/elderly-man-punched-in-the-face-for-handing-out-remain-leaflets-a7093386.html

    enigma

    June 22, 2016 at 2:38 pm

    • The age of decadence is upon us all.

      doug

      June 22, 2016 at 3:13 pm

    • What does it say about the Leave campaign when its always people who want to Remain that get attacked and, in the case of poor Jo Cox, brutally murdered on the British streets? Has there be one single example of a pro-EU person attacking an anti-EU person anywhere in the United Kingdom?

      Tim

      June 22, 2016 at 3:51 pm

    • Absolutely disgusting, what is wrong with people these days?!

      Universal Jobmatch

      June 22, 2016 at 3:54 pm

      • It’ll all be over one way or the other tomorrow thank heavens.

        Tim

        June 22, 2016 at 4:03 pm

      • There will still be angry people out there who won’t like the result so we can expect more people being attacked.

        enigma

        June 22, 2016 at 4:21 pm

      • What your witnessing universal jobmatch is stereo typical behavior in times of hardship. The worlds in a mess, don’t be fooled by media and government propaganda, your see this sought of behavior throughout the entire planet with the most prevalent being in poor economic areas.

        People with mental health issues or not are snapping with many never having committed such acts before. Its not only murder, theirs a wide range of incidences like for instance a woman who never ever being arrested a day in her life took to road rage one day in a busy public street. AS you are all witnessing stress and anxiety is through the roof in the UK and currently cited as the illness behind most days taken off work over the year. Mental health patients are increasing on the list and suicides are smashing records everywhere, even prison.

        You see when you feel like you have nothing to lose, no way to turn back, you tend to, well, not care.
        So when you feel that way, your life, another’s life and even the law mean absolutely nothing.

        Take all the kids and adults running off and joining IS, no amount of radicalization could make a person believe IS will take over the world. They know their going to die BUT, as they have NOTHING TO LOSE, just DON’T CARE.

        doug

        June 23, 2016 at 7:38 am

  33. I have a stock of DVDs, Danish thrillers (from a friend who’d already seen them), to tide me over the night…..

    I watched this one last night: rape, murder, beatings; it was a lot more cheerful and better looking than the average Brexiter.

    Andrew Coates

    June 22, 2016 at 4:16 pm

    • I’ve got many to watch too.

      “unite has another member”

      enigma

      June 22, 2016 at 4:29 pm

  34. More than 100,000 over-50s heading towards retirement are set to receive a letter informing them they are not entitled to a single penny of the new state pension.

    The Government has agreed to send out the letters over concerns tens of thousands of Britons are reaching retirement age and may not realise that they can’t depend on receiving a state pension.

    The move comes after a group of MPs raised serious concerns about people’s bewilderment about the new state pension, which will leave anyone with fewer than ten qualifying years of National Insurance contributions ineligible for any state pension at all.

    Confusion is likely to be heightened by the fact there was a 10-year minimum rule until 2010, when it was abolished, and now it is being reinstated again.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/pensions/article-3654767/More-100-000-50s-told-won-t-state-pension.html

    enigma

    June 22, 2016 at 8:39 pm

    • Don’t forget that you get NI contributions whether you pay them yourself or are credited with them when signing-on. In other words if you’ve worked and/or signed on, or a mixture of the two, for at least 10 years you will get the old age pension.

      Tim

      June 23, 2016 at 7:30 am

      • This is correct Tim. When working or signing on your N.I. contributions are paid automatically.

        This DWP statement refers to people who are not on the tax system for whatever reason, such as people who’s partners work but they don’t and are not registered or on the HMRC system.

        I think the DWP have drawn attention to women because (how can I put this delicately) – As I live in Bradford I see this on a daily basis – There are a certain group of women who are married and have kids, but when those kids are at school all they do is spend time wandering around each others houses talking away to each other all day long.

        If you understand what I mean.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        June 25, 2016 at 11:09 am

  35. Spending on external IT contractors by the Department for Work and Pensions has rocketed to £8m every month in a desperate attempt to get the heavily delayed Universal Credit scheme back on track.

    Monthly workforce figures published by the DWP show that departmental spending on “specialist contractors” has more than doubled in just eight months, reaching £8,272,817 in April this year.

    Specialist contractors are people temporarily hired from outside to work on a short-term basis as non-payroll contractors rather than employees.

    According to the DWP they are working on its IT projects, with their numbers rising due to the department’s need for specialist skills in rolling out its “Digital Transformation Programme”, related to the troubled Universal Credit benefit scheme.

    https://sentinelnews.co.uk/2016/06/20/dwp-spending-on-it-contractors-rockets-amid-universal-credit-delays/

    enigma

    June 22, 2016 at 8:52 pm

    • I wonder what the cost will be by the time it’s fully rolled out, around mid 3170 AD.

      Another Fine Referendumb

      June 22, 2016 at 11:23 pm

  36. Proof positive helping claimants know their rights has got DWP and health providers backs up.

    http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-947f-Solid-welfare-adviser-faces-court-for-help

    Now some may know of this incident while others don’t but recently a doctor tried to accompany a claimant to a maximum health/injury assessment center as is the claimants right under DWP policy yet maximum refused him entry and called the police and even attempted to have him prosecuted. Luckily court through it out of court and prosecution removed the main charge.

    By helping claimants know their rights and how to conduct themselves we are rattling DWP and their contractors and forcing into making mistakes and thus creating the type of media coverage this all really deserves.

    This incident with the doctor along with the countless reversals of the most rigged health assessment ever in the UK is starting to force governments hand. The public are beginning to see such cases as the man with only half a head or no legs get assessed as work ready with help and how perverse the assessment really is.

    Keep up the advice and support, get those you supported to support others even if working and claiming tax/child credit. through continual pressure we can change this tide.

    doug

    June 23, 2016 at 8:30 am

    • doug

      doing it, doing it.

      one person I met this moring was being set up to fail. WP [can you believe it?] has told DWP as he’s on WP will be less ability to apply so lower numbers of applications. DWP is threatening him with a sanction despite that. Their helpful suggestion is he rushes across the borough to use their PCs. Problem is be the the time he’s arrived they’re closed. Good luck to him getting on a PC at the library.

      I explained to him that as long as he is applying for two jobs he’ll be fine [see a job, 1 step, apply for job, 2nd step, see other job 3rd step etc etc]. And WP he’s on says work in own clothes [WP trying to save as no money for uniforms and budgets slashed we think]. Told him to tell WP manager to put that in writing & record, record, record.

      Oh and DWP is doing the usual – say sending to WP and turn up and WP have not a clue as never informed. Wasting persons time & valuable money.

      Gazza

      June 23, 2016 at 10:01 am

  37. I won’t stop helping Doug, it’s what we can all do. while we can.

    enigma

    June 23, 2016 at 9:00 am

  38. Hi all

    Question for those knowledgable about WP. Is there a written requirement for a review of your CC after 6 months being on it – just been told that as DWP had found the reviews actually were not being done, they wre now implementing it from now on. When I asked abut the specific regulations [I had a suspicion this was a new ploy] I got back silence. Plus been placed on weekly singings. Can I clam travelling costs I wonder?

    No one will be surprised to learn tried the old should use UJM [did not insist Must use it], had some good points about making it easier to present evidence but I do not, or ever will trust that rubbish. Made a comment about my handwriting, which was quickly dropped when I pointed out had Reynards Disease in my right hand. All good fun.

    Gazza

    June 23, 2016 at 9:50 am

    • CC can be reassessed at any point but i can see why WP providers haven’t been doing them.

      You see the WP is a one trick pony, they have a work model but its mantra is repetitive throughout a persons entire time at the WP. Apart from changing a name or a venue, you will find little if anything is different from the original CC after attending such as a math and english course for instance which can only be done once.

      doug

      June 23, 2016 at 11:03 am

      • I was one of the first to be put on the W.P. back in mid 2011 until mid 2013.

        I never had a single review, but my time spent there was before the Claimant Commitment came in.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        June 25, 2016 at 11:52 am

  39. Hollande reverses ban on union protest against French jobs reform.

    Last-minute retreat highlights president’s anxiety over rift with core support base.

    https://next.ft.com/content/0ad86170-3853-11e6-a780-b48ed7b6126f

    enigma

    June 23, 2016 at 11:28 am

    • With unions as strong as they are in France, if government hadn’t had u-turned, the unions would have brought the entire country to a halt completely ignoring any regulation that may be in place like what we have in the UK regarding unions and strikes.

      The unions in France should be an important footnote to our humans as government CANT STOP them walking out.

      If every employee walks out, that company, that service is screwed. They cant hire in mega time people to replace them and they cant afford to pay a standing charge so CANT even pre plan against such an action.

      EMPLOYEES WEAR THE SHOES SO START WEARING THEM AND REAP THE WHIRLWIND OF SUCCESS AS THE COMPANY EITHER CONCEDES OR GOES OUT OF BUSINESS, ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

      EMPLOYEES ARE THE REAL WEALTH CREATORS AS WITHOUT YOUR HANDS AND FEET, LITERALLY EVERY COMPANY IN THE WORLD IS POWERLESS.

      doug

      June 23, 2016 at 3:05 pm

  40. Leading doctors urge two-week absence before workers need to see GP

    Requiring a sick note after one week takes time away from patients who may need appointments more, doctors say.

    Doctors also want the law changed so that other health professionals, including midwives, physiotherapists and senior nurses, can sign a sick note, too. But organisations representing employers rejected the call and warned that it could lead to more people staying off work falsely claiming to be ill.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jun/22/overstretched-doctors-urge-two-week-absence-before-workers-need-to-see-gp

    enigma

    June 23, 2016 at 1:20 pm

    • How is adding an extra week more likely to make people stay off work and falsely claim to be ill ?

      I cannot believe no one pointed this out and i cant believe the people who work for this organization even have jobs as its the dumbest most irrelevant logic i have ever heard.

      Whether its week or two, they still have to see the doctor so this organization is basically saying doctors aren’t competent enough to know when someone isn’t ill. Funny, they don’t seem to have those reservations when they need one.

      I don’t get paid a single penny when off ill, so what the crapping hell has MY TIME got to do with my employer. These employers seriously need to get off their lazy fat asses and put an employment agency to cover staff when off ill.

      I cannot believe someone like me is out of work while what can only be described as monkeys are in positions that can damage society.

      doug

      June 23, 2016 at 3:19 pm

    • Police called as woman hands PEN to EU referendum voters as rigging fears sparks #Usepens

      MEMBERS of the public handing pens to voters over fears pencil markings will be erased have been intercepted by police.

      Worried the Govt. will change your Leave vote? Why not #usepens to cross out the Remain option? #commonsense
      — Stuart Houghton (@stuarthoughton) June 23, 2016

      Must be an expert who can calculate how many MI5 agents it takes to rub out all the little Leave pencil crosses in less than 24hrs. #usepens
      — Sarah Horner (@sachorner) June 23, 2016

      Polling stations opened their doors up and down the country today as people decide whether to remain or leave the EU.

      Some operations have bit hard by the torrential flooding sweeping the southeast, with some stations forced to move into dryer buildings.

      Jean-Claude Juncker: “The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything” #usepens

      — #CorbynIn (@Labour_Values) June 23, 2016

      Why bother rubbing your cross out when it’s obvious that it’s been rubbed out? #usepens is the most Brexit of hashtags.

      http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/682745/usepens-vote-rigg-EU-Brexit-referendum-polling-booth-station

      enigma

      June 23, 2016 at 9:16 pm

  41. Don’t get pregnant – Project fear.

    Abortion demand ‘soars’ amid Zika fear.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-36595448

    enigma

    June 23, 2016 at 10:55 pm

  42. EU referendum: First Scottish results declared.

    The first Scottish result has been declared in the EU referendum – with a majority of people in Orkney voting in favour of Remain.

    The islands declared their result at about 00:05, with Remain winning 7,189 votes (63%) and Leave on 4,193 (37%). Turnout was 68.4%.

    Counts are being held in all 32 Scottish council areas, with turnout lower than the independence referendum.

    The result of the UK-wide referendum is expected at around breakfast time.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36599102

    enigma

    June 23, 2016 at 11:18 pm

  43. Oh what a web we do weave ?

    Literally as the answer came, Cameron swung to trying to be a leave campaign advocate stroke leader. It makes me wonder that if we had a vote on should Cameron remain as PM or leave, what the public would choose.

    All this Tory on both sides has stank for my liking and Cameron behaving the way he is just reasserts my opinion that Cameron actually wanted the UK to leave so he could force through things like the social bill and snoopers charter.

    TIME for Cameron to leave and take his Tory scum with him.

    doug

    June 24, 2016 at 7:18 am

    • They knew, it was only obvious, now we will all find out just what it means.

      enigma

      June 24, 2016 at 7:29 am

    • Wow, quite literally in front of my eyes, Cameron announced hes stepping down.

      I really hope the second part i said happens to.Hold on, clicking my heels, “theirs no place like home, theirs no place like home”.

      Have they gone yet ?

      doug

      June 24, 2016 at 7:35 am

      • Thing is: Who will take their place? Boris Johnson as PM? Iain Duncan Smith back in the DWP? Arch-privatiser and tobacco queen Priti Patel in charge of the NHS? Is any of THAT going to improve things for the poor, sick, disabled, single parents, unemployed or the struggling?

        Tim

        June 24, 2016 at 10:17 am

    • Cameron was a shallow gambler. He gambled on the Scottish referendum and won and gambled on the EU referendum, as a cobbled together stop-gap to deal with Tory UKIP problems during the last general election, and lost. His legacy now looks likely to be remembered as the Prime Minister who took the United Kinggom out of Europe which led directly to the dissolution of the United Kingdom when Scotland (and possibly Northern Ireland) seceded from the Union and became independent countries. Cameron took short-term decisions, for purely party political purposes, which look set to end in national disaster.

      What a dick.

      Tim

      June 24, 2016 at 10:12 am

  44. Its all getting exciting as it appears Labour might use this opportunity to oust Corbyn as like Cameron, he was on the remain side.

    doug

    June 24, 2016 at 7:45 am

    • They want to get rid of Corbyn not because he was on the remain side but because he wasn’t active enough or persuasive and passionate enough to get enough Labour voters to vote remain to get a win! I doubt very much if a seriously pro-Brexit person would replace him as leader of Labour. Colourless Corbyn should go though. The poor old fellow is as dull, dismal and dreary as dishwater and doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of leading the Labour party to victory.

      Tim

      June 24, 2016 at 10:01 am

  45. UJM under threat as Ireland decides on possible referendum to leave UK

    Its said UJM’s servers are in Ireland meaning if true and they decide to leave the UK, would make DWP’s data policy non and void.

    Ontop of this our vote to leave the EU throws into doubt DWPs ability to still insist claimants sign up to UJM.
    You see our cookie laws, consent laws, etc are all tired to EU which means the deal you make with UJM now could be changed without you being notified of it.

    It is currently reasonable for a claimant to abstain from registering with UJM until such matters are resolved, especially as UJM refuses to allow the individual to delete their account at a moments notice just like all other jobsites.

    doug

    June 24, 2016 at 9:13 am

    • I reckon that the Scots will now, almost certainly, eventually, leave the United Kingdom. Don’t know about the Northern Irish although I expect the push for reunification of Ireland into one country separate from the UK will gain traction. The future for the British looks smaller and reduced in every way that matters and the 21st century looks set to be a very right-wing one here in Blighty.

      Tim

      June 24, 2016 at 10:04 am

      • Brexit: Nicola Sturgeon says second Scottish independence vote ‘highly likely’

        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36621030

        enigma

        June 24, 2016 at 12:29 pm

      • Tim

        Agree. Irish will probably go, Welsh not sure but watch for the Cornish – this has opened up a can of worms that’s going to cause endless trouble for decades, not years but decades to come.

        I did not know that postal votes made up 20% of the votes [probably why labour lost last time] – how do those people think this will work out? when prices go up so will everything else, housing [if it doesn’t crash that is by the money flight as no longer the gateway to europe that is], if the pound crashes will they be able to afford to keep living abroad? As the rules will change as applied to being English how will it negatively effect them [and it will – this is going to cause a lot of local resentment – someone must be blamed]. If they’re forced to move back – problem, things have changed and will continue to do so and especially for them in a negative way – social housing isn’t there anymore. How would they be able to afford anything.

        One big big mess all the way around.

        And the kicker? Who after seeing the England exit stage left will not be thinking if approached for trade will not fear the same thing happens to them? Who would trust England after this? That means there’ll be a premium put on top of any country to country deals. utter madness.

        Gazza

        June 24, 2016 at 12:30 pm

      • More projections on the ecomonic side:

        https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/opinion-brexit-vote-threatens-dire-consequences-for-426686/

        “Anything from travel visas to a return to bilateral route negotiations is on the table. All we can say is that it will surely never be that good again for UK-based airlines and their passengers.

        This leads on to the aviation supply side. If an airline now looks at business prospects in an EU (ex-UK) market of 440 million population, the business potential there far exceeds that of a UK market of 60 million.

        Expect IAG to adjust its network to give far more prominence to hubs at Dublin and Madrid, and develop the Aer Lingus, Vueling and Iberia brands with EU air operator certificates, far more than British Airways with its UK AOC. Ryanair will simply follow the traffic flow, and will downsize its already limited dependence on the UK. EasyJet will doubtless already have plans under way for a head office within the EU, perhaps under a different brand.

        This brings us to the impact on customers – passengers travelling to, from and through the UK by air. My view, echoed by many economists, has been that a devaluation of the pound by 25% is possible, which has an immediate impact of at least minus 10% on UK outbound travel. Further, the inevitable downturn of the UK economy by 2017 will cut back both business and travel spend, and the airlines will rebalance their EU networks accordingly. Whether the largest international air market – EU visitors – will be stimulated by a lower pound is debatable. My feeling it will not offset the outbound loss, so services will be cut and fares rise.

        The UK aviation market was indeed one of the stand-out beneficiaries of the EU framework and market, and will now be the one most impacted by this referendum decision. Other EU-domiciled airlines will be happy to take up the slack.

        “They are not long, the days of wine and roses” – for UK airlines, airports, passengers and the industry overall.

        ME: Note This is just one sector of the ecomony where at least projections are available.

        Gazza

        June 24, 2016 at 4:04 pm

  46. EU people already looking to be nasty while USA puts head in hands as leave vote shocks their economic plans.

    While Trump is in favour, the rest of American politicians even the president are in fear now the famed TTIP could tank. Currently in the states 1 in every 2 Americans reported earning less than £20’000 per annum.
    America, namely Obama was desperate to rush through the TTIP which would have screwed us all for the sake of America being yet again selfish.

    If Trump becomes president he intends to get all other members of NATO to pay their fair share. I say lets leave NATO as we are far to often drawn into American made issues than just good causes and deeds.

    doug

    June 24, 2016 at 9:43 am

    • That won’t happen under any British government, ever.

      Tim

      June 24, 2016 at 10:01 am

      • With the pending chilcot report and already known facts heading our way i wouldn’t be so sure about that Tim.
        Considering the anger over being dragged into a war on a false premise and now the ever present IS as a result, it wouldn’t be hard at all for the public, long sick and tired of being Americas lap dog who has been behind all the unrest in the east.

        America is the youngest country in the world yet in its short time has started and been involved in more wars than anyone else. China,Russia even North Korea aren’t our enemies, their Americas who like starting crap so they can proliferate their industrial military complex.

        The AR15 is an American made weapon, why did not a single American after the Orlando shooting say,” lets stop making and selling weapons” ?

        doug

        June 24, 2016 at 10:47 am

  47. Grieve now if you must – but prepare for the great challenges ahead.

    Britain is an intensely divided nation. Many of the communities that voted most decisively for leave were the same communities that have suffered the greatest battering under successive governments. The government’s Project Fear relied on threats of economic turmoil. But these are communities that have been defined by economic turmoil and insecurity for a generation. Threats that you will lose everything mean little if you already feel you have little to lose.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/24/eu-referendum-working-class-revolt-grieve

    enigma

    June 24, 2016 at 11:28 am

    • True. The Brexiters managed to get the underdog to blame the wrong master for its trial and tribulation.

      Tim

      June 24, 2016 at 12:11 pm

  48. New rules – wait for it.

    enigma

    June 24, 2016 at 11:41 am

  49. Lamps out over Europe as Brexit marks the end of the European Union.

    The Brexit vote will encourage copycat challenges in countries such as Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands – and even France

    The Dutch populist Geert Wilders called for a referendum in the Netherlands as soon as the UK result was known. The French far right leader Marine Le Pen tweeted the one word “victory”.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-what-does-it-mean-for-eu-future-referendum-result-europe-lamps-going-out-a7099476.html

    enigma

    June 24, 2016 at 12:39 pm

  50. England will be ushered to stage left quickly

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36618317

    EU referendum: UK ‘must not delay leaving’

    EU leaders have insisted that the UK must move swiftly to negotiate leaving the organisation, saying any delay would prolong uncertainty.

    [They’re worried about the financial/market effects of uncertainty – just look at them today]

    This is not going to end well.

    Gazza

    June 24, 2016 at 1:58 pm

    • Oh

      and the other reason why is they don’t want ‘effing Farage like hitlers on the sidelines encouraging others

      Gazza

      June 24, 2016 at 2:00 pm

    • Sure enough.

      Greek PM Alexis Tsipras said the vote was “either a wake-up call or the beginning of a dangerous path”, adding: “We urgently need a new vision and beginning for a united Europe – for a better Europe, more social and democratic”

      enigma

      June 24, 2016 at 2:26 pm

  51. And you really could not make this stuff up…

    http://theslot.jezebel.com/man-who-voted-for-brexit-is-a-bit-shocked-his-vote-coun-1782553004

    “Man Who Voted For Brexit Is ‘A Bit Shocked’ His Vote Counted, Is Now ‘Worried'”

    A transcript:

    I’m a bit shocked to be honest. I’m shocked that we actually have voted to Leave, I didn’t think that was going to happen.

    My vote, I didn’t think was going to matter too much because I thought we were just going to Remain, and the David Cameron resignation has blown me away to be honest.

    I think the period of uncertainty that we’re going to have for the next couple of months, that’s just been magnified now.

    So yeah, quite worried.
    Adam, look what you did:

    For God’s sake.

    [ME: Er… a bit late for that….]

    Gazza

    June 24, 2016 at 2:32 pm

    • Just how many of them are there?

      enigma

      June 24, 2016 at 2:48 pm

      • Well it appears I was too slow off the mark… it was minutes

        http://gawker.com/hours-after-brexit-vote-leader-of-leave-movement-adm-1782570341

        Apparently websites were crashing minutes after the announcment with searches “What is the EU & how does it benefit Britain.”

        enimga, it looks from all accounts MOST voting leave did not realize what it meant – my faith in the intelligence of my fellow citizens has taken a big big knock….

        Gazza

        June 24, 2016 at 9:21 pm

    • It was obvious from all the news voxpops that 50% of the general public shouldn’t be allowed to vote on anything.
      ( well 51.9% to be more precise 🙂 )

      Another Fine Tory Recession

      June 25, 2016 at 12:03 am

      • It does seem as if support for Brexit is inversely proportional to IQ and/or age. The older and less well educated you are the more you were to have supported Brexit: conversely, the younger and better educated you are the more likely you would be to be against it. Hence older people, few of which had the chance to go to university when young, tended to favour Brexit, while younger people, many of whom have been given the chance to take advantage of higher education, on the whole were against it.

        If the voting age had been dropped to sixteen we’d probably still be a part of the EU.

        Basically ageing thickies, ignorant of the facts, voted to take us out of the EU.

        You’ve got to love democracy ain’t’cha?

        Jill

        June 25, 2016 at 7:57 am

      • Education and agd IQ have nothing to do with it. In the case of the IQ test, you could score the highest score but still not understand the brexit vote. As for education in my day they taught you the subject, now days they teach you to pass an exam. In my trade im and your witnessing technology breaking down,failing targets and blowing up left right and center. Its the highest technology failure rate ever and increasing.

        These are the people whom you claim are better educated. When i started out i thought but wasnt true people like us couldn’t go to university, i stupidly thought it was only for rich connected people. Colleges were only just becoming a thing and the then general pattern was start work from the bottom and work your way up. In my particular trade their was no legal requirement to be qualified. Fast forwarding to 2004 regulation changed and instantly i was for a period locked out of my profession. So to keep in line with regulation i attended college to get the qualification. Well as you can imagine i flew through it and gained distinctions which is no surprise as it was my generation that wrote the book. No what was interesting was the other class members. In my trade we do a lot of science and math and what i observed was that all age groups struggled and not a particular age group. I also noticed although we were few in number, those that excelled were from all age groups. I have seen this pattern again and again as my profession commands i regularly gain further qualifications inorder to progress.

        This would imply ones knowledge or grasp is not age related. I also found a persons background also made no difference as poor and rich struggled equally. This would imply ones standing again does not influence level of knowledge and understanding.

        What i found was aptitude and the desire to gain new knowledge was their barrier but again didn’t appear age related.

        You see their is no clever and no dumb, their is only a book that separates both.

        Interestingly if you look at the amount of people living alone in each age group their is relativity with the brexit vote. Now this suggests if we consider it a factor that perhaps being insular would have an influence.

        Also divorce and separation of couples has risen while marriages and birthrate have declined.

        I say this as when one lives on their own its a case of them against the world while in a sound standing couple or family environment its us against the world. One exits within a system of more than one body while the other only sees the system against them as so to speak.

        So from the get go people will perceive the EU differently irrespective of level of education. Add the fact most of the public on both sides find politics like math boring so invest no real time into it and you get the opinions we see now.

        Take yourself for instance or more importantly anyone who places stock in that stat you posted. It was formed by speaking to only 0.0035% of all those that voted either way. Its clearly marked on your post how many were polled but not once did you acknowledge it in your statement.

        Its an interesting topic though so top marks for the post.

        doug

        June 29, 2016 at 7:44 am

    • Another Fine Tory Recession

      June 25, 2016 at 12:08 am

  52. One of many consequences.

    Sources within Morgan Stanley have told the BBC that the bank is stepping up a process that could see up to 2,000 of its London-based investment banking staff being relocated to Dublin or Frankfurt.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/business-36561095

    enigma

    June 24, 2016 at 2:35 pm

    • Now that’s a surprise [full sarcasm mode now on]

      So England [not including Scotland etc as I predict the Union does not have long to live] – smaller market than Entire EU

      so England – small pie
      EU – large pie

      I wonder which business will choose…

      Gazza

      June 24, 2016 at 2:53 pm

    • Anyone care to make a bet before the Panic is visible on our ‘dear leaders’ faces about the fallout?

      Days
      Weeks
      months

      notice No word from Farming Fool Idiot Smith yet. Maybe its sinking in all that EU agricultural Wonga is diseapearing over the hill to someone else’s pocket…

      Gazza

      June 24, 2016 at 2:58 pm

      • Since the welfare budget amounts to about 28% of all government spending, it is logical that it might see a significant proportion of cuts, further reducing the generosity of tax credits and benefit payments.

        A report by the National Institute of Social and Economic Research (Niesr) said some families could lose as much as £2,771 a year.

        Amongst many other things.

        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36537906

        enigma

        June 24, 2016 at 4:59 pm

      • enigma

        June 24, 2016 at 5:37 pm

      • enigma

        not could – such cuts WILL happen, on top of all the other stuff this is going to be pure hell for some.

        Gazza

        June 24, 2016 at 5:39 pm

      • Sanctions will soar, that’s for sure. more misery for millions. & many sights we would rather not see.

        enigma

        June 24, 2016 at 5:59 pm

      • Shrunken. Isolated. A nation divided with the very United Kingdom itself, again, on the brink of dissolution.

        How can we have done this to ourselves?

        Tim

        June 24, 2016 at 6:21 pm

  53. Brexit: What the world’s papers say.

    The websites of French newspapers have been running live pages and posting extensive comment.

    The weekly new magazine Le Point has no doubt that the UK decision is “causing an earthquake in Europe”.

    Le Monde’s live page is typical of those in the European countries, reporting the sharp reaction on currency markets, reassuring comments by European leaders, and calls by French and Dutch Eurosceptic leaders Marine Le Pen and Geerd Wilders for similar referendums in their countries.

    “Brexit wins, the markets fall” is Le Monde’s overall live-page headline.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36619254

    enigma

    June 24, 2016 at 4:51 pm

    • France says new Europe needed after Brexit ‘explosive shock’

      From the far-left to the far-right, French politicians of all stripes stressed Brexit suddenly made Europe a top theme for next year’s presidential election. They all had the same message Friday – Europe must change – but with very different methods.

      http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eu-britain-hollande-idUKKCN0ZA1W9

      enigma

      June 24, 2016 at 5:28 pm

  54. Trump visits Scatland to open his luxury golfcourse, and says that the Brits were fed up with foreigners coming over and taking over everything!
    You couldn’t make him up.

    Another Fine Tory Recession

    June 25, 2016 at 1:46 am

    • Don’t make the mistake American media and politicians made another fine tory. All that smocking yet they inadvertently gave him billions of dollars worth of free prime media attention and where are all the runners now. With Hillary definitely guilty of voter fraud on sanders, its easy to see the real democratic runner would have been sanders if we ignore superdelegates who don’t really count till the 27th July or near that date and could well change their vote if Hillary is indicted over the emails issues.

      Like never before America between sanders and trump has demonstrated a shift away from mainstream politicians who lets face are as crooked as they come.

      Every time trump has been mocked, he just gets more voters, more influence and now a total possibility for presidency.

      doug

      June 25, 2016 at 6:49 am

      • I don’t believe that Americans are so “out to lunch” to entrust their futures to Donald Trump. There’s a lot of very stupid people in the United States but not enough to vote Trump into the White House.

        Jacky

        June 25, 2016 at 3:09 pm

      • Hi Jacky

        We were daft enough to come out of the E.U. and Britain is the home of Democracy – This is where it was first invented.

        If we can make such an ill informed decision as to come out of an organisation that is the only protection for human and workers rights and a hell of a lot of other rights we take for granted, which we will no longer have, then we deserve everything we get from now on.

        Donald Trump doesn’t live in the U.K. and he is not a national of the U.K.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        June 25, 2016 at 3:20 pm

  55. WP providers set to struggle when european fund gone.

    Welfare providers for various schemes surrounding supporting claimants back in work are heavily reliant on funds such as the European monetary one. With the main revenue coming from various funds rather than DWP, it will be interesting to see what happens next as DWP haven’t thus far said they will cover the shortfall.

    doug

    June 25, 2016 at 6:55 am

  56. Cameron stated he would accept the vote of the British people as an instruction.

    Well Mr Cameron we voted to leave the E.U. – you now have your instruction – get us out now by enacting article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty immediately. You want to wait 3 months, we don’t because the two year negotiated withdrawal clock will only start once you have sent your letter to the president of the E.U.

    You have no choice in this matter, the people of the U.K. have spoken – GET ON WITH IT!

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    June 25, 2016 at 11:23 am

  57. Leaving the E.U. is an important decision for sure and now it’s done…

    WHO’S UP FOR A GENERAL ELECTION?

    I am.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    June 25, 2016 at 11:26 am

    • I’m afraid it would only legitimise the next Conservative government. I really can’t see Labour making any headway with poor old Jeremy Corbyn at its head. The Tories might well end up with a much bigger majority. God help the sick, disabled, unemployed, single parents and the working poor.

      Jill

      June 25, 2016 at 12:37 pm

      • Hi Jill

        I wouldn’t bet on it.

        Cameron has brought about his own downfall and the Conservative Party are now going to start arguing as to who will be their next leader, also the divisions in the party over being in/out for the E.U. has been disgusting.

        Tories insulting tories, back stabbing their leader and with their record of disgusting reforms, not to mention all the austerity measures they have taken over the last six years.

        I think if a General Election was called in the next few months, Labour for all their issues would come out on top.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        June 25, 2016 at 12:49 pm

      • It goes without saying that spineless Corbyn would have to go, I would suggest his replacement would be Yvette Cooper, she’s old school Labour but extremely experienced.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        June 25, 2016 at 12:59 pm

  58. Someone explain to the remain electorate and Nicola Sturgeon what democracy actually is.

    http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-petition-demanding-change-to-eu-referendum-rule-to-force-second-vote-gains-more-than-a-million-signatures/ar-AAhBXXF?ocid=spartandhp

    Its beyond pathetic that the remain electorate are begging for a second referendum, I get their pain, i was a remainer too but unlike them clearly understand that thing we call democracy so for the love of god grow up and just except the loss that i have endured all my life when voting in elections.

    Whats done is done and its time to get over yourselves remainers and grow up or your find people like me will vote leave instead just to teach you a valuable lesson in life.

    doug

    June 25, 2016 at 11:49 am

  59. I have one question for David Cameron and all of the Tory Party…

    ‘ARE WE ALL STILL IN IT TOGETHER’?

    I knew that one would come back to bite him in the ass!

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    June 25, 2016 at 2:18 pm

    • Cameron has been rolling the dice for years and this time both he and everybody in the country had paid a terrible price. His place in history is now assured. The Prime Minister who unwillingly took the country out of the EU and probably triggered the dissolution of the United Kingdom itself. A fitting end to a 100% kosher twat. What a pity the rest of us will have to carry the can because of his spectacular unprincipled stupidity.

      Jacky

      June 25, 2016 at 3:22 pm

  60. Obi Wan Kenobi

    June 25, 2016 at 2:26 pm

    • Cameron promised the referendum before the last election for party political purposes and not in the national interest. He did it to defuse threats from UKIP to Tory parliamentary candidates in certain constituencies and to quiet down some of his own troops. He did it to make it more likely that he would be returned to office and remain Prime Minister not to do good to the country or, really, to democratise and legitimise Britain’s EU membership by giving voters a say. He screwed over the country for his own short term gain. And now both he and our country must pay the price for severing our country from the European Union.

      Fifth biggest economy in the world?

      How long will that last?

      Cameron was a selfish and cowardly idiot who has shipwrecked Britain on the rocks.

      Jacky

      June 25, 2016 at 3:16 pm

      • “Fifth biggest economy in the world?

        How long will that last?”

        Not long. We’ve already dropped in the ranks to sixth place, pretty much overnight. Watch and see what happens when the markets open tomorrow for possible further bad news.

        Jim

        June 26, 2016 at 3:06 pm

  61. Well, Mr Cameron I’ll tell you why you should do the hard s**t.

    Because it was YOUR IDEA to put the referendum vote for the U.K. in your manifesto years ago.

    SO GET ON WITH YOUR PROMISE OF DOING THE HARD S**T!

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    June 25, 2016 at 2:38 pm

    • Cameron – The people have given you their orders – Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty must be invoked – Now.

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      June 25, 2016 at 3:11 pm

      • Where is he? Why isn’t he appearing and calming things down and explaining what’s going to happen next? Is he in shock? Surely the government must have developed a contingency plan on the off chance that what has happened happened?Has anybody got their hand on the tiller of the wrecked and sinking ship? Where the hell is Osborne?

        Jacky

        June 25, 2016 at 6:06 pm

  62. Hysteresis

    June 25, 2016 at 2:51 pm

    • The Lexit movie well destroys the lie that the leave campaign was all right wing!

      Hysteresis

      June 25, 2016 at 3:04 pm

      • I agree. Idiots and loons exist on BOTH the left and the right of politics.

        Jacky

        June 25, 2016 at 3:27 pm

      • All we can do now is suck it and see what happens!

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        June 25, 2016 at 3:38 pm

      • & Both have convicted criminals within them.

        enigma

        June 25, 2016 at 3:39 pm

  63. Hold on. It looks like we might be going to have another go at the referendumb.

    Another Fine Tory Recession

    June 25, 2016 at 4:26 pm

    • “AFTR”, do you mean on here, or are you referring to the possibility of a second Scottish referendum?

      Hysteresis

      June 25, 2016 at 4:31 pm

      • Another EU one.

        Another Fine Tory Recession

        June 25, 2016 at 5:09 pm

    • If Cameron has not sent that letter to the E.U. President yet, then it could well happen, seeing as there has been a serious petition against the vote to leave, sort of rejection of how the vote came out.

      The young think their vote hasn’t been heard.

      My question is why the hell didn’t Cameron send the letter straight away Invoking Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty once he knew the result of the referendum?

      It has now been 36 hours since we knew the result – Cameron you have been ordered by the British public to withdraw from the E.U. – You must now go with Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty.

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      June 25, 2016 at 4:44 pm

      • To be honest I don’t believe that anybody knows what the heck to do.

        Jill

        June 26, 2016 at 8:10 am

    • EU referendum: Anti-Brexit protest staged outside Parliament as Londoners take to streets for second day running.

      It comes as an e-petition calling for a second referendum surpassed 1.7 million signatures and is set to be considered for a debate in the Commons.

      http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/antibrexit-protest-staged-outside-houses-of-parliament-280891.html

      enigma

      June 25, 2016 at 5:07 pm

    • Merkel sees no need to rush Britain into quick EU divorce.

      http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-wrapup-idUSKCN0ZB090

      enigma

      June 25, 2016 at 5:17 pm

  64. Single European Act

    Article 50

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    1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.

    2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.

    3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

    4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.

    A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.

    5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.

    Copyright 2008 – 2013
    Eurostep – EEPA

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    June 25, 2016 at 5:04 pm

  65. Brexit fears raised as Spain goes to the polls for the second time in six months.

    “Nobody would leave a fair and united Europe,” he said. “We have to change Europe.”

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/brexit-fears-raised-spain-goes-polls-second-time-six-months-1567446

    enigma

    June 25, 2016 at 5:39 pm

  66. Petition
    EU Referendum Rules triggering a 2nd EU Referendum

    We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum.

    2,231,849 signatures
    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

    Reaching 15 million by the morning – More than the winners of brexit.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    June 25, 2016 at 7:15 pm

  67. Brexit are going to take their time & default on all issues.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    June 25, 2016 at 7:16 pm

  68. There should never have been a vote. Tory Self Harm Political Suicide.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    June 25, 2016 at 7:17 pm

    • Agree. But Cameron always acted to serve his own short-term interests rather than those of the nation.

      Sammo

      June 26, 2016 at 10:03 am

  69. Ban all MP`s from Twitter.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    June 25, 2016 at 7:19 pm

  70. Another Fine Tory Recession

    June 25, 2016 at 11:06 pm

  71. UK faces Brexit crisis after Europe’s leaders demand: ‘Get out now’

    France and Germany urge swift action by Britain as Tory MPs say Boris Johnson is preparing leadership bid.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/25/uk-faces-brexit-crisis

    enigma

    June 25, 2016 at 11:07 pm

  72. Brexit and the Future of Europe, The consequences for the real economy will be comparable only to the financial crisis of 2007-2008.

    NEW YORK – Britain, I believe, had the best of all possible deals with the European Union, being a member of the common market without belonging to the euro and having secured a number of other opt-outs from EU rules. And yet that was not enough to stop the United Kingdom’s electorate from voting to leave. Why?

    The answer could be seen in opinion polls in the months leading up to the “Brexit” referendum. The European migration crisis and the Brexit debate fed on each other. The “Leave” campaign exploited the deteriorating refugee situation – symbolized by frightening images of thousands of asylum-seekers concentrating in Calais, desperate to enter Britain by any means necessary – to stoke fear of “uncontrolled” immigration from other EU member states. And the European authorities delayed important decisions on refugee policy in order to avoid a negative effect on the British referendum vote, thereby perpetuating scenes of chaos like the one in Calais.

    https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/brexit-eu-disintegration-inevitable-by-george-soros-2016-06

    enigma

    June 26, 2016 at 12:20 am

  73. Screw the result and really screw the Tory Party.

    Here is a totally hot lady.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    June 26, 2016 at 1:34 am

  74. I see even here some fail to grasp democracy.

    A second referendum be it EU or Scottish independents makes the whole idea of a referendum pointless. It would also make a democracy pointless BECAUSE despite being given a democratic vote and to agree by its verdict, the remain side are now dictatorially demanding a second as is another person.

    So do the remain electorate want to live in a dictatorship because if the public can do it then so can politicians regarding who and how the UK is run.

    We don’t get these referendums enough but thus far has proved British citizens cant act responsible enough in matters of governance towards the country and im not talking the majority saying leave.

    You just cant throw your dummy out of the pram all because you didn’t like the vote. You were given the chance to have your say democratically and the will of the people have spoken whether they took your stance or not.

    With that said though i have no problem with remain voters having a revolution. If their willing to fight for their country then prove it. I say this as their as full of crap as remain voters, spineless jelly fish desperately hiding behind the notion the pen is mighter than the sword. Get out into the street but instead of opening their pie holes, show us all how physical you are about it, take this country back or shut the F up.

    The way i see it is, if the remainers are not going to storm their own country then they could always move to Europe as im sure EU countries could put them up alongside the other migrants/immigrants flooding their shores. You see if a person wants out they have to be away from Europe however a person who wants to remain wants to be closer so logic dictates if remainers really aren’t that happy then they have an option to leave. Now no doubt they will say its their country, well no actually, you just happened to be born here and the sovereign gave their blessing.

    Its looking to late as on cue as i predicted the europeans are being petty with phrases of get out and so forth. Of further interest many other EU members are all now considering a split in the light of the UKs move so the consensus to leave appears to have more momentum as why ask for one if everyone’s happy with it.

    Although i was a remain voter i see this as an opportunity for Brits to show how much their committed to the UK being great and going it alone just like it use to. We helped save the Europeans, not the Europeans us and lets not forget that and as for this pettiness, the Europeans have hated us for centuries and carry that with them every waking moment of their interaction with us.

    Lastly before you write off the UK, it wasn’t Europe that put the UK economy where it is now prior vote, it was us brits even if like me you hate the current crop of Tories dismantling our country.

    doug

    June 26, 2016 at 5:24 am

    • doug

      In many ways I agree but when a decision has been made, and clearly it is the wrong one, it is only natural that people seek to change it.

      Now I am of the view that things will be the way they will be – I have no direct influence on what happens next. I and I am sure others did what we knew was right.

      The question comes down is the majority prepared to accept the pain which comes with this wrong decision? As the drip drip of the pain to come continues the pressure political/financial & social will grow and people will get more and more angry.

      No one trusts politicians as it stands – how will people view them now? I can see serious secrurity issues arising out of this for their safety – let alone our own. It’s going to get nuts out there.

      Aspects I find particulary disturbing for previous parallels are:

      Pre-WW2
      – China is now the bully in the Pacific, not the Japanese with the quest for resources and the hidden financial problems [hidden banks, 45million men unable to ever marry, fast aging population, slowing economy, pissing off all its neighbours in quest to seize Spartly Islands, Taiwan – I cannot see nothing but future trouble there].

      – Russia & Putin and the rebuilding of the Russian empire, a later day Stalin [without the Programs – yet…]

      – USA, Trump a proto Hitler and a mad one at that [He had Mien Kumpf on his bedside table for decades for gods sake – there is a message there in that simple fact!] If elected will have the Nuke codes and has stated N Korea needs to be nuked to bedrock!

      – UK, UKIP with a disguised Hitler at the helm. A Populace that has like sheep been led to the slaughter and only just seeing the walls closing in around it and bleating loudly in panic.

      If my freinds (I’m known for making good predictions) asked me for how I thought this would work out I have not a clue:
      a] leave EU – absolute political/financial/social chaos down the road for decades [thats how long it will take to re-write the laws – there are a handful, repeat handful of international negotiators in whitehall].
      b] find a way to stay in EU – only option is Norwegian route and that at its centre [non-negiatiable] has free movement which is why those who voted against it voted against it to get out of the EU.

      So damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Lets not forget the civil war that has broken out in the ConMen party & the pressure from the EU to sort this ASAP.

      We are cursed with that chinese proverb: “May you live in interesting times.”

      Gazza

      June 26, 2016 at 10:36 am

      • Panic – Chaos, Panic – Scotland threatens to block assent to Britexit

        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36633244

        “SNP leader Ms Sturgeon said that “of course” she would ask MSPs to refuse to give their “legislative consent”.

        Gazza

        June 26, 2016 at 10:55 am

      • “May you live in chaotic times”

        enigma

        June 26, 2016 at 11:17 am

      • I am strongly reminded of the armed forces old saying for trouble/chaos at the commander level:

        Order, counter order, disorder.

        Gazza

        June 26, 2016 at 11:25 am

      • “In many ways I agree but when a decision has been made, and clearly it is the wrong one, it is only natural that people seek to change it”.

        Well we don’t really know what will happen over time beyond speculation and models. Yes it could all blow up, then again it may prove beneficial, its a first time globally.

        As for the referendum, i will say what i have said about elections and that is, their should have been a tick box outlining the choice of VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE as im sure this would have changed the landscape.

        No matter where we go from here, a person cannot be democratic if their calling for a second round all because they didn’t like the outcome. The only way i can see this ever being democratic is if the leave voters agree to another but i think i can safely say they probably wouldn’t.

        doug

        June 27, 2016 at 7:23 am

  75. Its not fair the elders decided the youths fate.

    Our youth are moaning its not fair adults out voted them yet staggeringly avoided the math not only now but in the run up to the referendum. Their was always going to be at the very least 2 parents to one child. On top you can have an adult without kids, but you cant have kids without adults (conception). So my ignorant fetuses stop listen and learn because all you have done is yet again prove how bad at math you are.

    What do these kids want, them to get their vote counted as 2 while an adults vote remains as one, yes lets do that, that’s really democratic.

    doug

    June 26, 2016 at 5:35 am

    • Yep. But adults can have participated in many relationships and fathered/mothered many children. Every child born has a father and mother but often adults have a multiplicity of children, hence the government wanting to restrict child related benefits to the first two children born to women.

      Sammo

      June 26, 2016 at 10:01 am

      • That’s true. Any one person may have produced umpteen children hence overpopulation.

        Jacky

        June 26, 2016 at 2:59 pm

      • The birth rate has actually declined as has marriages. To add to this their really isn’t that many 3 plus families and largely trails 2 child families in first followed by 1 child families.

        doug

        June 27, 2016 at 6:58 am

  76. The campaign has been particularly dishonest as far as Brexit goes. On the television I have heard many people saying that they voted to leave the EU because they were worried about the NHS and wanted more money saved from EU subscriptions to be spent on it! Others just wanted to stick two fingers up to the government in particular and politicians generally. The Brexit vote seems primarily to have been a protest vote with people oblivious about the real issues. It’s tragic and sad. We are cutting off our noses to spite our face. In the whole of my life I have never seen the country behave as madly and hysterically as this before. A collective madness seems to have gripped the nation and as a nation our influence and power have been hugely diminished. Astonishing.

    Jill

    June 26, 2016 at 6:23 am

    • Jill

      Agree.

      Gazza

      June 26, 2016 at 10:38 am

    • Ask many people what the big picture is, – “what is that”.

      enigma

      June 26, 2016 at 11:48 am

  77. Second EU referendum petition investigated for fraud.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36634407

    enigma

    June 26, 2016 at 1:27 pm

    • So should the Brexiters have been before the referendum.

      Jacky

      June 26, 2016 at 2:57 pm

  78. Last Thursday the United Kingdom was the fifth biggest economy (by GDP) in the world and today, seventy-two hours later, has dropped from fifth place to become the sixth biggest economy in the world cause by a fall in the pound. Almost overnight the country lost more than it contributed to the EU in the last FIFTEEN YEARS. What a fuck up!

    Jacky

    June 26, 2016 at 2:53 pm

  79. Idiot Farmer Idiot [George] Smith spotted on Andrew Marr Show.

    Guardian gives best ever description: “Marr recoiled, unnerved by the coldness of the intimacy. Dead eyes, dead heart.”

    Gazza

    June 26, 2016 at 6:59 pm

    • To Brexit or Regrexit? A dis-United Kingdom ponders turmoil of EU divorce.

      The House of Lords has discussed how any Brexit would work. In May, it published a report after consultations with legal experts.

      In the report, Derrick Wyatt, one of the professors involved, said that while it would be politically difficult, the law allows the UK to change its mind after invoking Article 50.

      “In law, the UK could change its mind before withdrawal from the EU and decide to stay in after all,” said Wyatt.

      http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-brexit-insight-idUKKCN0ZC103

      enigma

      June 26, 2016 at 8:06 pm

    • The chancellor’s whereabouts since the referendum was the subject of much conversation earlier in the evening.

      It’s emerged that he will make an early morning statement aimed at trying to reassure financial markets tomorrow.

      In a speech to be delivered before the markets open, he will set out how the government intends to “protect the national interest”, following the referendum result. A Treasury spokesman has said:

      The chancellor will make a statement to provide reassurance about financial and economic stability in light of the referendum result and the actions that he and the rest of the government will be taking to protect the national interest over the coming period.

      http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/26/brexit-live-jeremy-corbyn-sacks-hilary-benn-tory-leadership

      enigma

      June 26, 2016 at 9:11 pm

      • Economists expect the UK economy to fall into recession,

        Although the prime minister has resigned, his attempt to hold out until October to begin the formal process of exiting the EU signals that he may be seeking to engineer a revised deal.”

        Meanwhile, the Chancellor will also need to clarify whether he intends to announce the emergency Budget that he insisted during the referendum campaign would be necessary in the event of Brexit.

        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36636762

        enigma

        June 26, 2016 at 11:17 pm

  80. EU referendum: Jeremy Corbyn vows to fight for leadership and reshape cabinet.

    I am not going to betray the trust of those who voted for me – or the millions of supporters across the country who need Labour to represent them,” he added.

    “Neither wing of the Tory government has an exit plan. Labour will now ensure that our reform agenda is at the heart of the negotiations that lie ahead. That includes the freedom to shape our economy for the future and the necessity of protecting social and employment rights.

    “One clear message from last Thursday’s vote is that millions of people feel shut out of a political and economic system that has let them down and scarred our country with grotesque levels of inequality.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36632956

    enigma

    June 26, 2016 at 11:06 pm

    • Since Corbyn became leader Labour has not advanced its position in the polls, languishing in the low to mid thirties no matter how bad things were for the Tories. Apart from a few occasions, when Labour went a point or two ahead of the Conservatives, the Tories have remained significantly ahead of Labour in all polls.

      Corbyn will NEVER be able to lead Labour to a victory.

      Not a hope in hell of doing so.

      He blathers on about housing and top quality jobs for all but has no plan how to deliver this utopia or how it would be paid for. He is as full of piss, shit and vinegar as Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson. If he stays he may not “betray” the card carrying Labour party members who voted for him in their private ballot to make him leader, but will be betraying all the people who have suffered and died under the coalition and current Tory government by allowing them to slither back into power by leading Labour into the wilderness and making it unelectable for a generation.

      The man is dull-witted, charmless, uncharismatic, unpersuasive and dull as dishwater.

      He is patently no leader.

      The fucker should go and go as soon as possible for the sake of the poor voiceless souls who will be forced to live and even die in misery because the Conservative party has remained in power after the 2020 general election.

      Sammo

      June 27, 2016 at 6:37 am

    • Jeremy Corbyn unveils new top team after resignations

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36632956

      enigma

      June 27, 2016 at 10:42 am

      • Left-wingers Lisa Nandy and Owen Smith have just resigned. This means fourteen members of the shadow cabinet have resigned because they have no confidence in the utterly hopeless Jeremy Corbyn. This is VERY serious and may lead to a split in Labour and the creation of a rival letf-of-centre party, competing for Labour votes, similar to the ill fated Social Democrat Party.

        Corbyn would have to be a completely selfish and blithering idiot to try to stand against this tide.

        What a complete and utter twat the man is.

        Sammo

        June 27, 2016 at 11:16 am

  81. WILL we have to wait 20 years for welfare reform to be seen as a mistake ?

    https://www.thenation.com/article/nick-kristof-is-still-wrong-about-welfare-reform/

    A few years back the adam smith institute said we should adopt the american welfare model. Today they are saying NOTHING.

    doug

    June 27, 2016 at 7:41 am

    • With Boris as PM prepare yourself to see a return to such things.

      Sammo

      June 27, 2016 at 11:19 am

  82. Brexit strips world’s 400 richest people of $127bn – Bloomberg.

    https://www.rt.com/business-projects/348345-richest-people-losses-brexit/

    enigma

    June 27, 2016 at 10:02 am

  83. the Clown without a clue known as Boris Johnson (Order, Counter Order, Disorder)

    h/t: Refuted

    Jonathan Portes Retweeted The Telegraph
    Boris calls for free trade, free movement for Brits to Europe – & points-based migration to UK. Laughable.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/26/i-cannot-stress-too-much-that-britain-is-part-of-europe–and-alw/

    We have now officially entered the twilight zone of utter stupidity

    BritExit: Lets leave EU due to free movement & we want better terms which they won’t give us

    Aftermath: OOOOhhhh Now we’re on our way out we want Free Movement but not for you foreign plebs
    Oh and a better trade inbalance in our favour…
    But as were leaving we will always be a part of the EU [can anyone makes sense of that sentance?]

    Gazza

    June 27, 2016 at 11:19 am

    • Note: This clown wants to be PM which is why his mouth is opening [but pur Frak is pouring out]

      No one – Leave/Stay is putting their heads above the parapet with what they’ll do now

      Headless chickens – all of them

      Gazza

      June 27, 2016 at 11:32 am

      • ‘Project Farce has begun’

        Nicola Sturgeon has accused Boris Johnson of being responsible for the start of “Project Farce” as the fallout continues from last week’s Brexit vote.

        She was responding to Mr Johnson stating that “Project Fear was over” – a reference to the supposed “scare tactics” used by the Remain side.

        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36638608

        enigma

        June 27, 2016 at 12:21 pm

    • Nicely summed up:

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36637037
      Brexit: Boris Johnson – time to build bridges with Remain voters

      Speaking on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, Mr Darling, who campaigned for Remain, said he was more worried about the UK economy now than in 2008 during the financial crisis because there were “so many uncertainties, so many unknowns”.
      He said there did not seem to be a plan for what to do, and warned of a “vacuum” between now and October, when the next Conservative leader is expected to be appointed.
      Mr Darling said: “We got no government, we have got no opposition, the people who got us into this mess have run away – they have gone to ground.”

      ME: Question – how can you build bridges when you don’t even know what you are doing, can do, or will do?

      That about sums up the situation – except the elephant in the room: Out of EU, no free movement, no free trade = recession & stagflation a la Japan’s lost decade. In EU accept the very things leaving for – free movement, free trade.

      That Circle cannot be squared

      Gazza

      June 27, 2016 at 12:26 pm

  84. Job creation stops as vacancies plummet on UJM, whatever will DWP do ?

    After pulling up today’s jobs, im sure many witnessed a very significant drop. Well to make matters WORSE, it appears their all either portal vacancies (from another site) already advertised 2 weeks to a month ago so a duplicate or fake jobs even agencies spin out to fake the size of their portfolio towards potential employers.

    Well if jobsearch wasn’t boring enough when we did have jobs, it seems many will be troweling that distance for no or little reward.

    Its only speculation at this juncture but expect temporary work to be our main stay of diet for a while considering a lot of the vacancies are through agencies.

    doug

    June 27, 2016 at 11:21 am

    • doug

      just saw this over at theguardian:

      https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/27/global-order-britain-survive-eu-alternative-economic-model

      Note: “The impact has been immediate. Almost unnoticed amid the post-Brexit hysteria, French president François Hollande announced his intention to veto TTIP, the free-trade treaty between the EU and the US. For clarity, that means it is dead.”

      Wow. What happens now? Can it be resurrected between USA & UK? No idea – especially as we basically have no negotiators.

      The article is well worth a read – lays out the options & dangers very very clearly.

      One thing is clear to me. Labour has a Image problem in presenting solutions. The ConMen? Expect collapse and internal fighting to stop anything coherent coming from them – especially as the only options are against everything they want.

      Gazza

      June 27, 2016 at 2:01 pm

      • Interesting history lesson. which way will it go.

        enigma

        June 27, 2016 at 2:27 pm

      • Im glad France is to veto TTIP, as its no good for any European.

        doug

        June 28, 2016 at 6:06 am

  85. had a problem with the local council over housing benefit, they nerarly got me evicted because of neone payment. I have tried t make a complaint yet ever time I try and record the conersation or meeting they just say ‘terminated’ and say their legal department say they have a right to privacy. What right o privacy do they have if they are acting as a public official and it is part of their duties?

    growls

    June 27, 2016 at 12:10 pm

    • growls,

      What benefit are you on? UC or JSA?

      What you MUST Do:
      1] state in a letter your questions & concerns – send via Post & hand deliver and get proof of delivery, get address of MP and copy in [might want to include your local counciller].
      2] speak to counciller & MP
      3] ring next day and verify letter is in the office.
      4] visit your local CAB with letters & get them on the case.

      Dependent on what benefit you’re on, Things I would like to know if I was you:
      1] what regulations used for termination of support
      2] letter [YOU WILL pick up] detailing all of this and how you appeal/(alternatively who to go to in DWP) from them as strangely letters seem to go missing/lost when sent to your address

      Gazza

      June 27, 2016 at 12:50 pm

    • Growls

      You can always expect termination of interview if recording. These people have to log into computers so each person is identifiable. This will act as who was were and when. So next all you need is a verbal recording.

      Before i begin i would make a point of asking these people what it exactly was their legal department told them as government departments like businesses have reasonable legal expectation to the right of privacy while in the course of employ. You see a member of the public is not the same as a member of public in employ.

      QUITE CLEARLY in the data protection act under part 4 section 29 (1), a person is exempt from the protection under the act when under the suspicion of or in the process of committing a crime.

      This means you are free to record for the purposes of the prevention,detection,apprehension and prosecution of an offender.

      As they are exempt, you do not have to ACQUIRE LEGAL CONSENT FROM THEM, NOR INFORM THEM OF ANY SUCH RECORDING be it prior to,during or after.

      Do bare in mind however you MUST NOT allow others to view said recording who are not a part of a prosecution nor allow it to fall into the wrong hands so must store safely. Secondly the recording must be kept in raw form for authentication purposes. If after proceedings an individual who you have recorded is found not guilty of said suspicion you, MUST DELETE THE RECORDING AND ANY COPIES MADE SINCE ITS EXISTENCE INCLUDING ANY WRITTEN OR RECORDED TRANSCRIPTS OF.

      If you can get back to me regarding what these people said their legal department said gave them the right to privacy, i can tell you whether or not they have a sound legal argument or not.

      LASTLY LET ME LEAVE YOU WITH A QUOTE FROM THE CIVIL SERVICE CODE

      As a civil servant, you are appointed on merit on the basis of fair and open competition and are expected to carry out your role with dedication and a commitment to the Civil Service and its core values, integrity, honesty, objectivity and impartiality.

      INTEGRITY – is putting the obligations of public service above your own personal interests.

      doug

      June 27, 2016 at 1:35 pm

      • VERY IMPORTANT REPRINT OF MY LAST RESPONSE

        THE SECOND PARAGRAPH SHOULD HAVE READ,

        Before i begin i would make a point of asking these people what it exactly was their legal department told them as government departments like businesses have NO reasonable legal expectation to the right of privacy while in the course of employ. You see a member of the public is not the same as a member of public in employ.

        The word NO is the addition,sorry for the mistake.

        doug

        June 27, 2016 at 1:38 pm

      • Thanks Doug but I can’t they just stated ‘advice’ and refused to put it in writing they also refused to state what law or statute the legal deparment stated they had a right to privacy.

        growls

        June 27, 2016 at 5:07 pm

      • growls

        this sound more and more fishy.

        Fact: You/or anyone else cannot ask WHAT legal advice was given by a law person (I’m flinging my net wide here)
        However you are/were asking about what they were using to do this act.

        You need to get advice/record them & get a letter to them ASAP – for instance how long do you have to appeal this? Who exactly do you appeal this with? Them/DWP? Who?

        Oh and make sure you get Names.

        You never said if you’re on UC or JSA. Please do so.

        Gazza

        June 27, 2016 at 8:26 pm

      • Gaz, thanks for your concern, its not the dwp its my local council. After my WCA medical when the dwp forced me off ESA to JSA the Housing benefit department took so long processing my claim the local housing dept sent me a letter stating they were beginning legal procedings to have me evicted. I had done everything possible including fiilling in th paper work of a zero income form. Their excuse was they where short staffed and there was a back log and I was in a ‘queue’, This appears to have been eventually sorted amazingly quickly when they were informed they would face legal action if I was evicted as I have not been been served court papers yet . I didnt chase that aspect up as I am currently recovering from stress related illnesses and a blood clot on my lungs and the stress of the matter was causing a relapse in my health.

        However my complaint over how I had been treated was white washed and rubber stamped,. the same factual errors where accepted by the independant auditor – despite complaint about people saying they had called me back after I had request a supervisor etc and they hung. This is despite the fact it is impossible for them to call me back as I dont have a phone number and gave them no numeber to call back. Being told I had no right to record the calls due to their right of privacy etc. The stage two complaint procedure was a rubber stamp simply statomy the matter has been correctly handled as all the complaint stages have been followed correcr despite the fact I have recordings that show their alledgeldy verion of events is incorrect and in fact doesn teven include the entire sequence calls that where made . .

        Having had the the information about it being illegal due to their right privacy in both phone calls and to my face repeated to me several times and a subsequent denial of service ie them by hanging up or to speak to me . When I wished to make a complaint about deliberating misleading replies in emails I have been sent after my first I wished to make a new complaint about those issues they refused to take my complaint today they then refused to transfer me through to the complaints department , refused to even give the telephone, also refused to tell me the name of the ceo of the council and their office address, I had to go down in person and insist on my right according to their own procedures\policy to make my complaint in person. mysteriously that information ie complaints department tel number etc was given to me in seconds as well as also stating I had to make my complaint in writing. They then once again refused to even hear my complaint if I recorded the meeting due to their right to privacy . Unfortunately I didnt have the device recording at that point . I did however record their refusal to even put the grounds of why they where refusing me the right to lodge a complaint whilst recording merely citing advice given to them as privacy . Nor would they state which act or law etc they where using as grounds.

        growls

        June 27, 2016 at 9:14 pm

      • growl

        thanks for the clarification.

        sorry to pile the pressure on by first thing you do tomorrow morning is request under the information act ALL your information. Specifying that you want all the data on the matter at hand i.e.

        You will have to go through the stack – and it will be a stack of paper line by line.

        You will also need to call DWP – not your local office and after explaining [and make sure you record it!] request an explanation of the steps, the impact on your housing claim at that time [I have something to help with that, will get to it below] and specifically if Housing should have been stopped & what regulations were used to do so.

        Now to you being on JSA – I am going to have to do some digging but I have somewhere the instruction from DWP to councils that Housing Benefit SHOULD not be stopped if a person was sanctioned.

        For a long period there was a lot of deliberate confusion – [If I remember right there might have been tribunal case which DWP lost – sorry cannot remember exact reason why instruction issued] I have it somewhere and will go looking.

        Make sure you do the SAR & contact CAB/MP etc – tomorrow, not next week or month – I have a strong suspicion you have a limited amount of time.

        As for the SAR:

        Your name
        address
        National Insurance Number

        Title: Information Act ‘subject access request’

        Please supply to myself – I am willing to pickup from — DWP office, or posted to myself all information held on myself – this information can be in any form or on any system, by yourself of by other organizations. Also a list of external organizations my information has been shared with.

        Above all else all information concerning my ESA claim, Housing Benefit, my appeal and the switch to JSA.

        [Growl be aware that DWP will take the max 40days to supply this info]

        Media coverage of this:

        https://www.theguardian.com/society/patrick-butler-cuts-blog/2015/oct/06/dwp-finally-acts-to-end-housing-benefit-maladministration-scandal

        MORE:

        http://news.rla.org.uk/bill-irvine-dwp-acts-to-stop-invalid-housing-benefit-cancellations-by-notifying-uk-councils/

        AND Spcifically:
        https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/465024/u1-2015.pdf

        The above applies to Sanctions so the question becomes were you sanctioned? As you have no documentation for that this gets even more puzzling.

        Further:

        https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/employment-and-support-allowance/while-youre-getting-esa/esa-money-and-benefits-during-reconsideration/

        “How Housing Benefit and Council Tax Reduction will be affected

        These benefits are paid by your local council, to help with paying your rent and council tax.

        You can continue to get these benefits even if your ESA stops. However, if your ESA stops, the DWP will usually tell the council and the council may stop your Housing Benefit or Council Tax Reduction. This is because they may think you’ve got other income now, for example that you may have started a job.

        You should get in touch with the council straight away and explain why your ESA has stopped and that you’ve asked for a reconsideration.

        Warning
        Tell the council about the money you’re living on now. For example, you get help from friends or family or you go to a foodbank. They may need you to send them a proof of this, for example your bank statements and a letter explaining your circumstances.”

        Now if you have done the above – what exactly is going on? That’s why I say you need to go to CAB/MP etc. Something is seriously wrong.

        Gazza

        June 27, 2016 at 10:04 pm

      • Its all good and well citing a law, but you have to actually cite the part your referring to and how it applies t oneself. Anyone can quote right to privacy BUT what right to privacy are they on about.

        You see they could say you cant record them dew to a right of privacy but you in turn can state you can because of the very same act. Do you see the confusion now if one or both sides just say its the law with no further explanation.

        Whether these council workers like it or not, they have to cite exactly how that law applies in their case.

        The problem you made was you made it possible for this council to know you were recording which is pointless as who’s liable to break the law while being videoed ?

        As i said if you suspect a person, even a council worker of a crime, YOU DONT NEED THEIR CONSENT, YOU DONT NEED TO INFORM THEM AT ANY POINT THAT YOU ARE RECORDING. By committing or being under the suspicion of a crime you forfeit all rights under the data protection act.

        The reason for this is simple.

        How does the woman prove her husband is abusing her if she has to ask his permission first ?

        doug

        June 28, 2016 at 6:31 am

      • This way theirs no stickiness while gathering evidence, its still enterable as evidence under law if a crime can be established.

        At the end of the day how you conduct yourself is your call but don’t expect any government department to be straight up and comply,especially considering their all skint so are always looking for ways to prevent or slow payments.

        You have to in writing officially demand an explanation we call an FOI.

        Keep you question brief and concise so you leave them no room to move. Then and only then can you approach this head on as you may well find they have no legal reason. I had this a long time ago with DWP and as im sure you can imagine i WON. I won Growls because my legal argument was valid at the time. As a result while they allowed some not to be recorded to save face for lie they claim was a mistake, they had to make available a member of their staff who would be happy to be recorded as its my legal right to make record any moments whereby my personal and or sensitive data is in use.

        On another occasion i secretly recorded them then later used the recording as evidence. DWP tried very hard to get it thrown out but as their employee willfully lied, the judge allowed the recording,especially in the light of DWPs witness statements being grossly not in keeping with the actual events that transpired that day.

        doug

        June 28, 2016 at 6:52 am

    • Doug most of the time I record because I have memory problems cause by years of fits, If I dont record I forget most things between 6 to 12 months. I don;t really expect to catch them doing something illegal as it appears it doesn;t matter even if they do they just follow their procedures for a stahe 1 and a stage 2 complaint white wash it and then say complain to the ombudsman who then ignores the recordings any way and say it was all done correctly by the book so nothing they can do. These people know full well I do not have resources to take legal action agianst them.

      growls

      June 28, 2016 at 10:54 pm

  86. ‘Europe in confusion’

    The prospect of Brexit-style referendums in other European countries is a major concern of European commentators today, against the background of a growing consensus that the EU needs root-and-branch change if it is to survive this challenge.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36641827

    enigma

    June 27, 2016 at 3:13 pm

  87. Brussels rejects Boris Johnson ‘pipe dream’ over single market access

    Diplomats dismiss idea UK could stay in single market without obeying the rules,

    “You cannot have your cake and eat it,” said an EU diplomat, echoing a phrase the former mayor of London used during the campaign and which looks set to come back to haunt him.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/27/brussels-rejects-boris-johnson-pipe-dream-over-single-market-access

    enigma

    June 27, 2016 at 3:18 pm

    • The IoD said a quarter of the members polled in a survey were putting hiring plans on hold, while 5% said they were set to make workers redundant. Nearly two-thirds of those polled said the outcome of the referendum was negative for their business. One in five respondents, out of a poll of more than 1,000 business leaders, were considering moving some of their operations outside of the UK.

      enigma

      June 27, 2016 at 3:39 pm

      • engima

        one thing which I consider good out of all this is the fact in my eyes UKIP is a dead man walking as all those who claim that it will all blow over and “Britain will be Great Again” are shown to be liars and fools. On the other hand the local NF is a lot more visible today & will get support.

        I have to ask if the political dysfunction now evident leads to the break up of the united kingdon how will that make britain great? Further if the commonwealth goes that’s another blow. Lastly, from what I understand the only reason why the UK has a UN Seat is due to Germany & US and to a certain extent France. Anyone care to bet how things stand now and in the future?

        As for the ConMen, if the fools who wanted this don’t step up to to sort it out they’ could lead to a split – politically except for the Poodle LibDems [do anyone remember hearing from them during the buildup? I don’t] the same applies to Labour as you have Stay/Leave go at it to gain power in their respective parties.

        As an example – except for Sturgeon in Scotland, everyone is damaged. Early Election it will be but on what platforms will they run on?

        Reverse the decision, as doug points out that is dodgy ground, or go and accept the lasting damage in the long term this will cause?

        I can well see a fracturing of political parties due to this.

        Of one thing I am sure. National level politics and at international level politics things have and will change radically from what we see now.

        That is of course without whatever happens on the financial side which will have a big influence on how things play out.

        For instance – UK goes, there is a financial shock [I am thinking for example, california earthquake/japan earthquake/China’s shadow banks reach crisis point etc etc] who exactly does the UK turn to? Cannot talk to EU as now outside decision making process. Would the UK even get help?

        Gazza

        June 27, 2016 at 5:03 pm

      • And the drip drip continues – now Gibraltar wants out of BritExit

        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36639770

        Brexit: Gibraltar in talks with Scotland to stay in EU

        What happens when Scotland/Gibraltar told cannot be part of EU unless separated from Britain?

        Gazza

        June 27, 2016 at 8:39 pm

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  101. Disabled claimant from Barking starved for 10 days over benefits advice

    http://www.barkinganddagenhampost.co.uk/home/disabled_claimant_from_barking_starved_for_10_days_over_benefits_advice_1_4594414

    Amazing isn’t it, not once prior to CAB getting involved did DWP tell this person to come in and they would help him fill out the form. DWP also failed in keeping spare copies at the local office which in all likelihood is but a print key press away at any given moment.

    doug

    June 28, 2016 at 7:01 am

  102. Northwich MP to show employers benefits of hiring disabled workers

    http://www.northwichguardian.co.uk/news/14582909.Northwich_MP_to_show_employers_benefits_of_hiring_disabled_workers/

    Firstly i wish this MP much luck in this venture as disabled people are blacklisted with regards employment and the attitude needs to change.

    The problem is however i lack faith in employers who so profit driven are unable and or unwilling to hire anyone they feel cant keep up the pace.

    Industry has changed, its all now micro managed and is one of speed which is heightened still now employers are hiring less to do the same work many once did.

    I hate to say it but unless this MP dangles the money carrot, i cant see the take up being great.

    doug

    June 28, 2016 at 7:09 am

  103. Work programme only succeeds in helping 27% of all referrals

    If their was ever a billboard of mass failure and money wasting, then 73% failure would be it.

    This means the taxpayer is seeing almost a quarter of the money spent on the scheme, go down the toilet.

    Of bigger interest, a point i made just days ago, how is it that this company exists on one single payment if they cant get a person into work. The ANSWER IS, applying to funds like the European social fund, SFA and the likes meaning government lied to tax payers on the amount spent on the failed program.

    Theirs absolutely NO WAY the likes of ingeus can afford to run without external funding so unless government up the rate they give providers now we are leaving the EU, it will be interesting to see how they survive running the scheme in the future now its being rebranded and re spun.

    doug

    June 28, 2016 at 7:44 am

    • doug

      I would gently like to point out if it is a 73% failure rate that means its 3/4 of the money going to waste…
      that means a measly amount of what 263 million down the drain… or as the Gov would like to say: move along now plebs.. nothing to see here

      Gazza

      June 28, 2016 at 8:03 am

      • Quite correct as rounding off it is a quarter and not a third meaning the programme does worse now than it did when Labour did it and Tories first carried it on.

        Despite this their going for another round by merely rebranding it without any model change,

        doug

        June 28, 2016 at 8:24 am

    • This is true. Many of the Work Programme and Jobcentre “courses”, e.g., how to write a CV and covering letter, are funded by grants from the EU. Or match funded where the EU pays 50% and local or central government makes up the shortfall. Nothing much will change for a couple of years, until we finally leave the EU, but after that? Who knows? Training companies will fold. Private profit making companies will withdraw from the Work Programme if it is still running. My suspicion is that workfare run by local and/or central government will fill the vacuum as a cheaper alternative to run the unemployed ragged; after all a chain gang only really needs one or two supervisors cracking the whip (threatening sanctions) to keep it going.

      Sammo

      June 28, 2016 at 8:32 am

  104. USA using Brexit vote as platform to say, “THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF YOU VOTE FOR TRUMP”.

    The untied states has likened UK citizens to one Donald Trump, i kid you not. So desperate are American government and conservative voters media mouth pieces, they have stooped to this for fear Trump could just well win. Infact America is SO desperate, their willing to vote for Hillary whom probably is the biggest crook politician ever.

    Hillary todate,

    1: The email scandal shes still lying on and FBI are looking to indict her for.
    2: Making inappropriate deals while in office.
    3: Funded by the people who caused the 2008 crash.
    4: Voter rigging in certain states.
    5: Responsible for the deaths of Americans in Benghazi
    6: Doing deals with known terrorist funders, countries known for human abuses and war crimes.
    7: Covers up her husbands sex crimes.

    Now im sure Trump would have quite a list but the point is Americas decision is one of who is the lesser evil, a choice far worse than ours when the Tories got back in. For the record though and this has been the case long long before the UK’s EU vote, when you tally both trump and sanders together, they overwhelmingly outnumber Hillary’s votes meaning and demonstrating MOST AMERICANS nolonger want the old mainstream politicians and their brand of politics.

    SO NICE TRY STATES BUT YOU’VE ALWAYS BEEN THE FIRST TO MESS THINGS UP AND YOUR SO GOOD AT IT, YOU DON’T NEED HELP FROM US.

    doug

    June 28, 2016 at 8:21 am

    • Hillary or Donald? Not much of a choice but surely the Americans won’t really consider Trump as the lesser of two evils. I’m kind of gobsmacked that a rich businessman can stand to be President. My bet would be that Trump would tilt any legislative programme to favour his own interests businesswise. And although Hillary may be more Evil Queen than Snow White at least she is politically experienced and intelligent, unlike Trump who mostly got to where he is today thanks to his inheritance received from his slum landlord father. As daft as the Americans can be I don’t believe that they’re crazed enough to put a repulsive creature like Trump in the White House.

      Sammo

      June 28, 2016 at 8:40 am

      • Hillary hasn’t proved shes competent enough to run house either. Shes worked in one department and couldn’t even do that right besides use it as a way to gain funds for election by promising a lot of the worst people on the planet favours in return.

        Trump might indeed not be the man but al least hes not a part of the old structure, a structure no matter who votes for who, the American population is tired of.

        doug

        June 28, 2016 at 11:19 am

  105. What do you do if you get a job when you’re on Universal Credit?

    On the web it says you have to report offers of work to the UC call centre – not the Jobcentre! – and book an appointment with your Work Coach to get your claimant commitment changed? But suppose you start a full-time job before you get to see a Work Coach? How can you ask for time off from your new job to visit the Jobcentre to get you claimant commitment changed?

    Anybody know how this shit is supposed to work?

    Advice would be welcome.

    Tim

    June 28, 2016 at 9:59 am

    • Tim

      There’s Worse I’m afraid with HMRC RealTime [Don’t laugh it is anything but Real Time in real life I know] DWP is informed that a person is being employed by whoever via this mechanism – its a way to cut off money early, and as a bonus if you don’t report it they can claim fraud.

      One suggestion, not sure how it would work out but the route I would take is ring and ask for a urgent appointment – when they state they cannot make it say fine and inform them via letter to the main DWP office [In my case it would be Stratford] & your local DWP office – by registered post of course.

      By doing the above I believe you would have fulfilled your legal obligations.

      Gazza

      June 28, 2016 at 10:40 am

      • Cheers. And THIS is supposed to be better than Jobseeker’s Allowance? What a load of shit!

        Tim

        June 28, 2016 at 10:48 am

    • Unless you intend to claim tax credits or housing and that what you get is sizable, i wouldn’t bother continuing to claim.

      Now and you would have to check this out if its the case for UC but we have whats called a rapid reclaim. If you do have this option simply sign off and sign on again the following day as the 7 day rule does not count.
      This takes DWP right out of the driving seat while they re- establish your previous claim.

      doug

      June 28, 2016 at 11:14 am

  106. All:

    I’ve been getting no end of grief lately from coachy because I am in her words: “applying for loads of jobs but I don’t seem to be getting any interviews”. I get replies/acknowledgements from employers and employment agencies saying if you haven’t heard from us within x-amount of days then your application has been unsuccessful on this occasion, etc. But she doesn’t want to know. Has any one else been getting this sort of verbal-aggro from the Jobcentre?

    jj joop

    June 28, 2016 at 11:36 am

    • jj joop

      good to see you’re still around.

      All I can suggest is you stick to your guns. If like me you’re over 50 and way too experienced for most jobs you can get into simply point this out – plus it is a well known fact that certain employers not all, but enough can use software to skim off your CV into the waste bin by simply having a check of when you went to school – if you’re outside the range you’re deleted.

      you could helpfully ask her, to put what she’s claiming in writing, to lay out her concerns in a way you can understand. Her questions are beginning to cause you concerns and making you feel unwanted and unconfortable.

      She will definitely not want to put it in writing as its just her opinion and way outside her remit. In which case you can from there on ask her why she is asking such questions and who is her boss as you will need to speak to them about her.

      She won’t like it one bit so be prepared…

      Oh, and record, record, record.

      Gazza

      June 28, 2016 at 1:19 pm

      • Their still pulling that one then i see jj joop.

        What you need to do is inform this advisor firstly to prove it isn’t happening to others which it is as even though I’m not signing on or working, I’m not even getting the generic will be InTouch if your selected email so your doing better than me.

        Secondly as i suspect DWP have had you on one course after another about CV applications and interviews over the years, get this advisor to speak to all those other DWP workers and providers as to why you have been unsuccessful ever since.

        At the end of the day you would have applied to enough via UJM so seeing how its their customers, perhaps they should go speak with them if their not willing to accept their advice to all claimants is and has been utter crap since day one.

        I can tell you now it rattles them as that’s exactly what i said and they couldn’t come back on.

        Employers wont allow a potential applicant or even government to tell them what they regard as their own business.

        Worthy of note at this point is to say because most jobs on UJM are now portals to other sites like total jobs for instance or indeed, DWP cant actually any longer insist you apply as it involves having to go through another privacy/data processing policy DWP have no control over what with not being the data controller outside of UJM (DWP have no legal power once data leaves UJM).

        This means claimants can legally say ,”I’m sorry but I cant apply for that job dew to data protection issues unresolved”. Because its between you and say total jobs for instance that makes it private meaning DWP cannot legally ask you divulge the content of the issue. They can ask but cant enforce.

        Through their own design DWP is now powerless to enforce claimants have to sign up to UJM so like the cookie law are quietly trying to hide the fact I’m SINGING LIKE A CANARY ON.

        doug

        June 28, 2016 at 2:03 pm

      • Gazza:

        Yeah, I’m still around mate – just about. And like you, I am over 50. In fact, I’ll be 54 in a couple of months from now – Jesus! And you’re right about putting it in writing – they never do. I’m still recording.

        jj joop

        June 29, 2016 at 9:36 am

      • Hey doug:

        Yeah, I’ve been on course, after course, after course. I’m all coursed out. There’s nothing else for me to go on now except the new Health and Work Programme. And if the pimps won’t be able to get any funding from the EU, then even that will be watered down.

        Your comments about UJM are spot on. It’s now just a portal for other websites and employment agencies. There’s several jobs in my area that were filled over a month ago but they’re still doing the rounds on UJM and other websites.

        Interestingly, my adviser never asks me for proof of applications – emails and job printoffs, etc (?). What’s that all about, I wonder.

        jj joop

        June 29, 2016 at 9:46 am

      • jj joop

        I still give them me written proof – written using my bad hand of course but readable if you concentrate hard [something these la la land fools have great difficulty in doing…]

        When I pass it over it is always funny to see the look of distaste on their faces. I’m now having to leave it on their desks – maybe the Reversed Sanction has something to do with it.

        Also joy of joys the WP Team since then has been completely changed in personel – Miss Cock section head, gone. D cheif villians helper, gone. Mr Cock, gone. [the two previous names are accurate by the way, never got a chance to have fun with them though mores the pity] OOpps. Floor manager, gone.

        doug, thanks for the above, I know I am going to face pressure to change my CC and this has given me an idea on how to bounce that – I’ll simply insist that they prove via the list that what I have been doing is inadequate by contacting the prospective employers from the list and finding out why I was rejected. Once that is established I will be more than happy to discuss changing the CC. Until then it is simply with no proof just a personal opinion and nothing more – or if they get shirty, ‘heresay’ on their part with all that that entails.

        Gazza

        June 29, 2016 at 10:12 am

  107. Tax rises and spending cuts will be needed to deal with the “shock” to the UK economy caused by leaving the EU, Chancellor George Osborne has said

    “It’s very clear that the country is going to be poorer as a result of what’s happening to the economy,” he said.

    “We are absolutely going to have to provide fiscal security to people, in other words we are going to have to show the country and the world that the country can live within its means.”

    “the responsibility of those that campaigned to leave the EU to set out the plan to follow”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36647006

    enigma

    June 28, 2016 at 12:01 pm

    • enigma:

      There is no great-plan in place to follow the Leave vote because I don’t think any one actually expected them to win! I know I didn’t, that’s for sure.

      jj joop

      June 28, 2016 at 12:37 pm

      • jj joop

        listening to radio 5 last night it appears Cammie INSTRUCTED the Civil Service to make NO plans for BritExit if exit was the outcome.

        Normally something major like this takes a minimum of 5 years to plan for [this from my 19 years of Civil Service employment in the Department of Trade & Industry] Its all going to frak up royally as they rush to do it.

        Gazza

        June 28, 2016 at 1:23 pm

    • 27 June 2016

      HM Revenue and Customs has put a recorded message on its helpline stressing that taxes, tax credits and child benefits remain the same. “Everything is continuing as normal. No laws have changed,” the message says

      So for how long?

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36641090

      enigma

      June 28, 2016 at 12:39 pm

    • And as for Corbyn – what a muppet. His campaign(?) was lacklustre and feeble. I don’t think his heart was really in it. I think he’s a closet little-Englander.

      jj joop

      June 28, 2016 at 12:40 pm

  108. You cant make a silk purse out of a soars ear is my answer to which Tory for PM.

    Crabb has no chance, not enough ministerial experience for the public to trust him, Hunt has pissed off to many people so not going to happen their leaving just 2.

    Considering May lied about renditions and torture, then lied about mass surveillance, then literally put ink to paper to regulate the moment she was caught out I’m not so sure she would get many.

    So that leaves Boris, easily likened to one of those teddy bears who plays the same tired mantra when you pull the cord at the back. He’s obviously an old tatty bear who’s lost their ears as if you study him, he always acts like he does not hear you.

    doug

    June 28, 2016 at 2:12 pm

  109. Corbyn won’t say whether he voted for Brexit or Bremain in the EU referendum. Which I suppose means he voted out while campaigning insipidly for in. What a twat!

    Sammo

    June 28, 2016 at 2:49 pm

  110. Second day most jobs on UJM are portal vacancies from other more established sites and websites acting as other portals to established job sites.

    DWP are liable to struggle this week and maybe next week to as jobs slide to almost non existence what with any advertised being practically all jobs created prior to Brexit vote and duplicated to give the air theirs work out their.

    Well after directly contacting some to prevent them having time, mostly all had to admit they weren’t for real jobs but really placed to boost employer interest and employee/claimant registration and nothing else.

    Be aware of DWP propaganda as currently people aren’t investing and if their not investing then what their investing in wont hire more people.

    doug

    June 28, 2016 at 3:46 pm

    • Meanwhile we still have to search for and apply for jobs, that don’t exist. brilliant isn’t it.

      enigma

      June 28, 2016 at 4:20 pm

  111. One in five Scottish families still living in poverty

    Across the UK, the number of children living in poverty has increased by 200,000.

    Frances O’Grady said: “Working families were unfairly made to pay the price of a financial crisis they did not cause. With the economy now facing trouble again from Brexit, working people should not be made to pay the price a second time.”

    http://www.welfareweekly.com/one-in-five-scottish-families-still-living-in-poverty/

    Poverty-stricken UK families becoming even poorer, say poverty campaigners

    “Cuts to family benefits and in-work support” are being blamed for poorer families across the UK drifting even deeper into poverty.

    John Dickie, director of CPAG in Scotland, said: “This financial squeeze on low-income families, including those in work, has meant that more families are missing out on the basics in life.

    enigma

    June 28, 2016 at 8:32 pm

  112. Can you be forced to work shifts? Can you refuse to accept a job that requires you to work night shifts? Anybody know. It doesn’t seem right to me that anybody can be compelled to work at night if they don’t want to.

    Si

    June 29, 2016 at 8:05 am

    • Ok Si

      If you can reasonably demonstrate just cause why you cant then yes you don’t have to accept that sort of work.

      doug

      June 29, 2016 at 9:45 am

  113. Wven for an optimistic Brexiteer like me, the last few days have been difficult. Many people who voted out are already feeling a bit betrayed as certain fundamental truths sink in. The “uncertainty” is already affecting the real economy as we see. Project Fear probably understated some of the dangers, though overstated others absurdly, the latter as former Governor of the Bank of England Mervyn King has said (a calm voice in these frenetic times).

    Before long this uncertainty will feed through even more concretely from the slightly abstract world of financial markets and exchange rates through to jobs, savings, and, above all, the value of people’s homes, which is where most people’s wealth is stored (especially some of the less well-off voters who opted for “Leave”). This is really why I suspect Brexit won’t, in the end, come to pass – because most voters can’t afford it in the short run, whatever the longer term advantages. Call it blackmail by the financiers or the Establishment if you wish, but it is a fairly nasty ransom note all the same.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-wont-really-happen-second-referendum-markets-value-housing-pound-a7106996.html

    enigma

    June 29, 2016 at 9:08 am

  114. UN Slams Tories over Human Right Abuses.

    While the country is entrenched in the mire of the EU referendum fallout, the Tories have just been slammed by the United Nations (UN) – for human rights abuses.

    But not abroad. Here, in the UK.

    As The Canary previously reported, on the 15 and 16 June the UN Human Rights committee on economic, social and cultural affairs publicly reported its questioning of the Tories, after more than two years of evidence-gathering concerning the impact of their policies on society.

    A report was submitted by the UK government, from which the final conclusions and recommendations, which were released on Monday night, have been drawn. And the UN pulls no punches in its assessment.
    Failed policies

    The criticisms are overarching, and in some cases staggering – covering nearly every area of government policy. It appears the UN have three levels of disdain: “regret”, “concerned” and “seriously or deeply concerned” – and the latter, worryingly, comes up relating to two specific areas.

    http://blacktrianglecampaign.org/2016/06/28/un-slams-tories-over-human-right-abuses/

    enigma

    June 29, 2016 at 9:43 am

    • We all know for time now that the Tories never carried out proper risk assessments and even when they did and the results were not favorable, they still went ahead with the plan anyway.

      Will the Tories listen, of course they wont, will the UN place troops in the country to protect the vulnerable, of they wont and that’s the extent of it unless the public wake up and smell the coffee.

      doug

      June 29, 2016 at 11:22 am

      • This is true. When the Bedroom Tax was implemented the Tories said that under-occupiers would just “go somewhere else” without any evidence that enough smaller, affordable rented properties existed. Of course it turned out that they didn’t and people affected by the Bedroom Tax couldn’t downsize, even if they were willing to, because there was nowhere smaller and cheap enough for them to move to; consequently 92% of those affected stayed where they were by choice or because they had no choice. (And, let’s face it, who would quickly surrender a well maintained social property with a secure tenancy for a poorly maintained and insecure tenancy of an overpriced property in the private sector. Any sane person should have realised that social tenants would cling on to their homes like limpets, despite swingeing cuts in Housing Benefit.) Pretty much EVERYTHING Iain Duncan Smith did was done like this: voted through parliament, implemented and found out to fail in practice, often with disastrous (even deadly) results.

        Fuck me!

        I’ve just heard that Michael Gove is standing for the Conservative leadership and is rubbishing Johnson.

        Obviously Boris wouldn’t play ball with the creepy little shit and make him a good enough offer.

        What a laugh.

        Shit!

        Tim

        June 30, 2016 at 8:07 am

  115. Google’s My Activity reveals just how much it knows about you.

    Search company launches new opt-in ad service for non-Google sites and tools that show how it tracks your internet activity.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jun/29/google-reveals-information-it-knows-about-you-my-activity

    Facebook has tracked people’s real life location and used it as a way to figure out who they might have met up with, according to reports. – think about that one.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/facebook-tracked-users-location-to-try-and-guess-who-people-might-be-friends-with-report-says-a7108766.html

    enigma

    June 29, 2016 at 11:55 am

  116. Did you know by 12 o clock today that already over 71% of all jobs posted today on UJM are from just 6 advertisers.

    Heard of workcircle, cv library, adview for instance?

    doug

    June 29, 2016 at 12:48 pm

  117. Can anyone offer a way out of this quagmire?

    EU just said no comprises on very reason on BritExit

    Clearly some Politicians seek to undermine those EU rules but have no power to do so.

    Those rules are: The “four freedoms” that underlie the EU’s internal market are the freedom of movement of goods, workers, services and capital.

    47% of exported trade is with the EU. Doesn’t anyone realize how seriously bad this could get and how quick? Yes it won’t stop tomorrow but it takes a minimum of 4/5 years to build up a export market – and that is if your goods are accepted in the market. Also I would point out the bulk of that is City based [yes I know Frak the city but there would still be a knock on effect on us the ordinary citizens]

    I feel like at times I’m in some slow moving disaster movie….

    Gazza

    June 29, 2016 at 2:25 pm


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