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Universal Credit: Saga of Failure to Continue.

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The Loud Man who Brought us this System.

Universal Credit Flaws Causing ‘Serious Detriment’ To Claimants

reports Welfare Weekly

Flaws in the UK Government’s flagship Universal Credit scheme are causing “serious detriment” to vulnerable people in Scotland, a damning new report from Citizens Advice Scotland (CAS) concludes.

An analysis by CAS found the new system contains “inherent flaws” which the charity says must be fixed before Universal Credit is rolled-out across Scotland, including delays in payments, technology glitches and unfair benefit sanctions.

The actual report is worth looking at:  certain aspects stand out.

Design challenges include:

  • A six-week wait to receive a first payment of Universal Credit
  • Challenges caused to claimants by a single monthly payment
  • The effect of Universal Credit sanctions
  • Challenges of a primarily online system when around 20% of future users struggle to use the internet

Comment by Ipswich Unemployed Action:

6 weeks is a long time anybody with bills to pay.

Sanctions as we know a wider category than for JSA – which people have noted include money withdrawals for *people in work*.

This Internet obsession seems designed to make the system fail for this large category – 2o% ‘future users’, could be a lot higher for existing people without proper access to the Web, or indeed the kind of Home access (another Bill for the less well-off)  the  Government seems to take for granted.

The Report also indicates:

 Administrative and transitional challenges include:

  • Confusion caused by running Universal Credit in parallel with an existing legacy benefits system
  • Early administrative issues causing delays in claims being processed
  • Issues with the Universal Credit Helpline
  • Teething problems with the Real Time Information system from employers

BLOG | Universal Credit faces testing times, but can be fixed

 Is the hopeful Blog post by  – Rob Gowans, CAS Policy Officer states,

It’s been a long wait for Universal Credit to arrive. Much has been written about its delayed arrival, IT gremlins and various projections about winners and losers from the new system. Finally, with Universal Credit now live across Scotland, we’re able to see how it works for people who claim it – and there’s a number of practical challenges that need to be addressed.

Our report ‘Learning from Testing Times’ takes a first look at how Universal Credit works in action for people who need support. From what CABs have seen so far, there’s been a long list of teething problems, ranging from people running out of money because of a six-week wait for any payment, being ping-ponged between different benefit claim websites, and running out of phone credit because of an expensive helpline before problems are resolved.

Why is this important? Well, to put this in some context, of the top ten most common issues that people came for advice at their local CAB about last year, five of them related to benefits that will eventually be replaced by Universal Credit, including all of the top three. In Scotland, around 830,000 people claim one of the six ‘legacy benefits’ that will be taken over by Universal Credit, compared to around 25,000 people who currently receive UC. It seems like it’s a matter of when, rather than if, Universal Credit becomes the most common issue that people seek advice on at their CAB.

Most importantly it can mean that people face real hardship. Amongst all the talk of making efficiency savings, it should be remembered that the social security system exists to be a safety net for people who find themselves in a situation where they need some basic financial support. CABs seeing clients who face the choice between eating, heating or paying rent because their benefit payment has not arrived is always a concern, and is where we look to any new system or process to improve.

It’s not all bad news for Universal Credit, though. The principles behind it remain worthy – particularly simplifying the complex benefits system that means many people who are entitled to support don’t claim it. And none of these challenges on their own should completely derail Universal Credit – they can all be fixed, given a bit of attention and political will.

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Written by Andrew Coates

June 10, 2016 at 3:40 pm

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  1. I will not address the issues surrounding Sanctions and the other rubbish that come with UC.

    Lets take a gander at “Real Time”. Real Time, it ain’t.

    The Cluster F%^k it will produce:

    Communications problems to HMRC from employing company data is mistakenly input wrongly – you’re borked (Under/Overpayment) – and according to DWP speak you’re defrauding the system though its not your fault.
    Communication problems due to internet outage/mucking up – you’re borked (Under/Overpayment) – and according to DWP speak you’re defrauding the system though its not your fault.
    Fluctuating payments from employer cause database problems – you’re borked (under/Overpayment) – and according to DWP speak you’re defrauding the system though its not your fault [I have personally seen prison record disappear into think air – what’s the bet it won’t happen here?]
    Poor computer communication [wrong setups/failing set ups of data - have worked in past in private sector and systems I've seen run by some multi-billion companies are laughable, let alone Small and Medium Sized Enterprises who are always, always slow on ICT updating/takeup]

    I am sure there are many other equally as bad scenarios waiting in the wings.

    I give it less than 6 months before it becomes a big big problem.

    Now take the list above and understand that this data will be passed to HMRC, and from them to DWP.
    Can anyone honestly say that DWP is going to cope on the ICT side? You know the same DWp who is using DOS, yes DOS based software to do the autherising to pay people?
    God help those who depend on this rubbish.

    Gazza

    June 10, 2016 at 5:51 pm

    • Yes, the JSAPS (JSA Payment System), you know that black and white screen that your cock roach pulls up at sign-on time and you sometimes see when they turn the monitor around or show it to you is actually running on DOS 🙂 Amazing, eh! 🙂 If it ain’t broke – don’t fix it! 🙂

      Bill Gates

      June 10, 2016 at 11:03 pm

      • It could be worse, they could be using windoze 10.

        Another Fine Recession

        June 10, 2016 at 11:19 pm

      • Bill Gates

        So true – unfortunately, just as at Dept of Justice the last programmer for the system retired years ago and no one knows how to programme it/how it works!!! I was thinking last night – the data migration for people on Legacy Systems [like JSA] to the new Windows System will be beyond a nightmare – if it is at all possible.

        Gazza

        June 11, 2016 at 4:16 am

      • I remember talking about the old legacy system and how it wont work on win 10 a while back. I remember all of us in the discussion so its amazing to see it come up again.

        Talking of windows 10, ive got it in pieces at the moment as its a pile of steaming crap. For starters its does not like 32 bit programs and hangs,glitches and crashes either itself or the whole OS intermittently. To make it worse some 32 bit programs i have to migrate physically as the system wants to bung them in the 64 bit. The browser EDGE has to be the worst browser ever even for IE standards.

        The feature that allows you to reinstall the OS while running the OS is crap and i urge people to make a disk copy as you will have problems if you don’t install/reinstall the OS via disk. The system has dew to security features a serious problem with DRMs and really old software that unless your experienced in OS manipulation will see giving up trying.

        Unfortunately unlike previous systems i didn’t beta test this one which was a mistake as im now spending hours going through the frozen state (i induced it to rewrite parts of the program) rewriting or cutting out parts like cancer.

        Security wise its to tightly wound and for my taste to busy spying an logging your activity even when you tell it not to. Its also and i cannot really prove this yet, very anti other software, especially that without the Microsoft cert. I run a lot of specialized programs and the system sees them as infections and its annoying to have to fix them every time hence the work im putting in to change it.

        Another thing it does not like and i haven’t experienced myself new to a modern system is it does not like old hardware and BIOs based mobo’s. Theirs all sorts of problems to name.

        Wether i succeed in getting the system the way i want in all parts remains to be seen as even working on it seems to trigger other issues, some of which i still haven’t fathomed how to get around despite working with other liked minded people not happy.

        The only thing i can say that’s good about win 10 is its physical footprint on your hard drive as its the smallest OS to date.

        doug

        June 11, 2016 at 7:34 am

      • Doug

        I feel for you.

        No way am I ever going back to WinDoze – I’ve had enuff of acting as a surragte engineer for all and sundery, let alone a] if you upgrade your pc (say new sound card – someone even said RAM upgrade will qualify), windows, pay us £100 as this is considered a new system. b] M$ changing/overwriting at core level the system behind your back, because they can c] M$ changing settings to suit themselves d] The Ringing Home of Any/All data (no one is quite sure this is NOT going on – lots of data is going to them as it is – I’ve heard rumours of hidden keylogger stuff though not confirmed), e] the bricking of PCs with old BIOS, f] M$ subscription – pay for Media Player/Calculator? Not on your life g] forcing W10 upgrade onto PC & installing.

        Finally : b] M$ changing/overwriting at core level the system behind your back, because they can c] M$ changing settings to suit themselves

        As M$ is doing this, why should I stress myself out trying to sort problems when M$ is deliberatly causing it to the user? No way.

        Me, I’ve used Linux Mint since 2012 & I won’t be going back.

        Gazza

        June 11, 2016 at 10:34 am

    • I rang the DWP to inquire about Universal Credit and was advised to ring back the next day as staff at the call centre (in Scotland) were “unable to access the system”. The shape of things to come?

      Tim

      June 11, 2016 at 6:42 am

    • Using the Ubuntu workstations in my local Jobcentre I notice that Firefox 11 was being used. On my Linux desktop at home I’m using Firefox 46! The DWP doesn’t update its software! And worse than that Jobcentre workstations are thin clients which connect to servers to get internet access, so there’s no excuse not to have updated the operating system and applications.

      Hangu

      June 11, 2016 at 12:20 pm

    • I use mobile broadband and, after taking advantage of the free Windows 7 Professional to Windows 10 Pro upgrade, was surprised to find my monthly broadband allowance began to be exhausted in two rather than four weeks. How? Why? Well it turns out that Microsoft uses individual private computers as mini-servers to torrent Windows updates to other users around the world! I’m not kidding, When Windows 10 downloads updates to your computer they arrive not only from Microsoft itself but from other user’s computers and – and this is the worst of it – are then UPLOADED from your computer, using your bandwidth, to other user’s computers on the web! That was where my data allowance was going! Getting spent uploading Windows 10 updates to stranger on Microsoft’s behalf freeing up Microsoft’s own servers from doing all of the work.

      What a bunch of wankers Microsoft is.

      No wonder why everybody hates them.

      Here’s an article about it.

      http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-awful-secrets-no-one-telling-you-about-windows-10/

      Warn your friends.

      Hangu

      June 12, 2016 at 6:46 pm

      • I think its fair microsoft release a program that automatically switches all this crap off rather than expect basic to inters to run around windows doing it.

        doug

        June 13, 2016 at 7:12 am

      • Hangu

        thanks for that – I will be warning people. There are going to be a lot of unhappy people out there. You want the fast easiest way to slow down a Windows? Turn on Torrents – it goes to the dogs.

        And the plus of this? You have absolutely no control as M$ will change and move the setting to turn it off.

        They can bog right off.

        Gazza

        June 13, 2016 at 4:55 pm

      • Windows users out there ought to think about installing and using Linux, either as a dual boot with Windows or on its own. Unless you need to use Windows-centric or Mac-centric software, e.g., Adobe Dreamweaver etc., Linux does pretty much EVERYTHING that Windows does more securely, safely and free! If you’ve got a modern and fairly powerful PC check out Linux Mint Cinnamon, Ubuntu, or Ubuntu Mate. Older less powerful systems will almost certainly happily run Linux Mint Mate. (The Mint distributions are nice because you get everything you need put on your computer when you install it, including codecs and the full Libre Office suite.) You will be free from snooping, free from worries about viruses and malware, and if you only use software from the repositories (online stores guaranteed to be pure) you are pretty much and will remain completely secure online.

        Everything you need is available free, online, for download.

        Why stick with Microsoft to be spyed on and have your data siphoned – who knows where or why?

        Anyway here’s a link to the Linux Mint site.

        https://linuxmint.com

        Check it out if you value your privacy.

        What have you got to lose – IT’S ALL FREE!

        Tim

        June 14, 2016 at 8:07 am

      • Tried this. Crashes like fuck. Windows peaked at XP. You can still download a clean ‘corporate’ version. Thing is Micro$shit want to force/nudge us onto this WinDoze 10 shit. So you find that Internet Exploder is ‘hard-baked’ into some applications and they don’t run properly without the ‘latest’ version of Internet Exploder. And of course Micro$shaft made sure that XP is ‘incompatible’ with any Internet Exploder releases beyond version 8. This is how they frustrate and annoy the hell out of folks to get them to junk perfectly good hardware and perfectly functioning operating systems and replace them with utter shite. Fuck Micro$shit. Burn in Hell you bastards!!

        Steve Jobs

        June 14, 2016 at 9:57 am

      • And you also find some applications throwing up shit like “procedure entry point not found”. Oh look, you will have to ‘upgrade’ to WinDoze 10. These Micro$haft bastards are beyond contempt. Corporate greed has to ruin everything. Fucking everything, ruined by greedy can-never-get-enough-££ss bastards!

        Steve Jobs

        June 14, 2016 at 10:00 am

      • Dear All

        For those who wish to leave the M$ (give us your money our your data… oh sorry we are already harvesting your data anyway a la Facebook it all belongs to us…) ecosystem, if you download Linux Most distributions of it, if not all will run from the DVD for you to try it out to see if it is something you can use.

        It does not install to the harddrive unless you tell it to so you get a free try out each time.

        A IT Bod on Washington Post does all his Banking that way – this means nothing is on harddrive, so no way to steal data as its all in RAM/Memory – bummer is having to re-enter things like WiFi password/website passwords etc.

        You can also install to run from the DVD but long term that will effect the lifespan of the DVD drive.

        Gazza

        June 14, 2016 at 3:43 pm

    • Smaller employers have also begun complaining that they can’t run the software needed to participate in HRMC’s “Real Time Information” system because their hardware and operating systems are too old to run the software necessary. I assume the software runs on Windows systems and don’t know whether versions are available for other systems, e.g., Macs. This is going to be fun. If they can’t run the software I can’t help but wonder how secure their equipment is? Has it been kept up to date and the OS properly patched? What is their firewall like? Are their systems clean from viruses and malware? I bet there are still people out there using Windows 98 and XP in their offices. Imagine what data an artfully placed keylogger could harvest. Secure sockets won’t stop that kind of intrusion. Oh, man! Trying to run an integrated social security, tax and welfare system semi-automatically over the public internet, with claimant’s entitlements paid electronically after being recalculated on a monthly basis, with the whole thing depending of diligent and accurate input cooperatively gathered electronically from claimants, workers and employers?

      Talk about ambitious.

      Only a complete twat like Iain Duncan Smith could have believed that anything like this was workable.

      Tim

      June 14, 2016 at 9:21 am

      • Tim

        I have questions – what versions of software is causing the issues? and more importantly from a SMB point of view, how MUCH does it/them cost? No one need answer but these are the questions which would be upper mist in my mind concerning this rubbish – oh, is it like M$ subscription whereby once you’re locked in using it the price goes up and there’s no way to exit?

        Well well done for someone…

        Gazza

        June 14, 2016 at 1:32 pm

      • Gazza

        Check out the following:

        https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/515209/uc-for-hr-and-payroll-staff.pdf

        https://www.gov.uk/payroll-software/free-software

        https://www.gov.uk/topic/business-tax/paye

        Because Universal Credit has to be recalculated for every claimant monthly based on information that the claimant AND his/her employer submits (if the claimant is working) everything is supposed to happen digitally, over the public internet, with the employer submitting details of hours worked etc., for each employee over the web using computer software either commercial and approved or supplied by HRMC.

        Trouble is a lot of small and very small businesses either don’t use computers, or anre not connected to the internet, of have staff that are not IT savvy, or equipment and operating systems that are too old and insecure to do the work or… on and on and on.

        The “digital by default” shite was always going to fall apart at both ends of Universal Credit, i.e., claimants having to apply for UC manage their accounts online and employers diligently submitting data about their employees work patterns to HRMC every four weeks for each of their employees.

        No sane person ever believed that a system like this would do anything but fail big time.

        Tim

        June 18, 2016 at 6:56 am

      • Yes! Universal SHITE has been designed DELIBERATELY to FAIL from the get go and take everybody’s payments down with it. A LOT of thought has gone into the design and planning of this MONSTROSITY and ABOMINATION!

        Universal SHITE

        June 18, 2016 at 9:17 am

      • It’s almost like Ian Bunkum Smith is sitting back with a very expensive cigar in his fascist gob saying “I love it when a plan comes together” Hannibal style to Howling Mad Michael Gove, B.A Crabb and the FaceMan. I can’t think of which Tory arsehole could play this A Team Character though.

        Tom Wingrove

        July 2, 2016 at 4:47 pm

  2. Reblogged this on sdbast.

    sdbast

    June 10, 2016 at 7:04 pm

    • Only very simple claims – new claims too – are being taken for Universal Credit. Soon, don’t laugh, something like 11 million current claimants in receipt of a mixture of various and different benefits will have to be migrated from the current assortment of systems to Universal Credit. If you can believe it. Besides amalgamating whichever of the following a claimant receives – Jobseeker’s Allowance, Housing Benefit, Working Tax Credit, Child Tax Credit, Employment and Support Allowance and Income Support – into one single UC payment passported benefits (spin-off entitlements received by people with tax credits) also have to continue to be paid in some way, shape or form.

      Most people on UC will have to sign a claimant commitment which, if they fail to follow to the letter, can lead to a severe sanction and loss of money INCLUDING HOUSING COSTS for weeks at a time. Never before have people been stripped of Housing Benefit because they’ve made an error or made a mistake. God knows what this will mean. Potentially working and non-working people could end up evicted and homeless because of something relatively trivial, e.g., late for an appointment at the Jobcentre.

      But the real slow-burning disaster will come when landlords, as they become more and more aware that tenants on Universal Credit or likely to end up on Universal Credit, i.e., poor people in poor quality jobs, will end up in rent arrears for a month and a half or longer as their claims are processed will cut their losses and simply not rent properties to such people or even, as has already started to happen, evict them from the homes they currently occupy.

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2534331/Landlord-1-000-homes-evicts-tenants-benefits-He-claims-Eastern-Europeans-better-paying-rent.html

      Only Iain Duncan Smith could come up with a way to turn a housing crises into a catastrophe.

      Universal Credit is a pernicious and evil thing that will convulse the lives of innocent millions.

      Like its inventor it has no real worth.

      Tim

      June 11, 2016 at 6:39 am

      • Love the story Tim, nice post.

        While this landlord may think renting to Europeans is better, he will soon find out their the most prolific at overcrowding properties which once the council/s get wind of will see him having vacant properties or worse still, vacant properties and him named by the Europeans as saying he said it was ok as has been done already in other cases.
        Added to that as its going on in my street too, people who have been living in the area for decades, not just whites but Asians and west Indians to are sick and tied of these foreigners ways like the unnecessary noise they make all hours of the day and night, letting their kids out onto the street at ridiculous times in the morning like 12, 1 o’clock in the morning even on school days which begs the question are they in school. They make mess so bad, not even the dustmen will take their rubbish. They try to steal other peoples bins because their to lazy to clean their own what with pouring food straight into the bins rather than bag it first.
        They get drunk far to much,party to much and the list goes on. Landlords are inundated by neighbors to their property with complaints as neighbors seek to get the landlord to chuck them out.

        Im not saying their all bad, i know some who i think make great tenants but alas their to far and few between. With this said though the landlords are not wrong about certain DSS claimants, ive seen the wrecks they leave property in but again its not all DSS tenants so is quite discriminatory and they know they can get away with it because DSS claimants cant launch a defamatory case against them.

        Another issue no matter the person is the trend to use ones deposit as a final payment leaving the landlord sadly with the cost of repairs or as is usually the case after two to three years residency, renovation costs for repainting the property that a tenant is not legally obliged to do or cover as part of the deposit.

        Another problem with renting is landlords use of short hold tenancies that make it far to easy for landlords to evict tenants who complain about problems in a property that landlords are responsible for like damp for instance.

        doug

        June 11, 2016 at 8:14 am

      • Racist comments about ‘Europeans’ are bang out of order and can piss off.

        Andrew Coates

        June 11, 2016 at 3:49 pm

      • East European totally trash the fuck out of properties as this knobhead landlord will soon find out to his cost 😀

        Krakow

        June 11, 2016 at 11:49 am

      • And they also ‘sub-let’ to fuck too 😀

        Krakow

        June 11, 2016 at 11:50 am

      • Racist i think not.

        Theirs no P or N type slang used, No references to races or a races culture.

        Theirs certain ways to behave in a neighborhood and to term a phrase its called, ” do as the Romans do when in Rome”.

        Theirs nothing wrong with practicing good health and hygiene, theirs nothing wrong with taking responsibility for ones things while respecting others and their efforts. Theirs nothing wrong with children going to bed at a reasonable time, theirs nothing wrong with expecting a responsible parent/adult to be with their children while at work, theirs nothing wrong with wanting a cohesive neighborhood that already before 2008 was a multicultural neighborhood to begin with.

        doug

        June 13, 2016 at 7:47 am

  3. Money in the wrong hands

    http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/your-say/money-in-the-wrong-hands-1-7957089

    Ain’t that the truth.

    doug

    June 11, 2016 at 8:28 am

    • The good thing about articles like this is it demonstrates that human minds are beginning to ask the right questions like if we are so wealthy here then where exactly is it and low and behold, its exactly where a lot of people already said it was but government tried to hide or wash over.

      doug

      June 11, 2016 at 8:32 am

      • It’s all coming out, especially after panama, every day that goes by…………

        enigma

        June 11, 2016 at 1:23 pm

      • Money needs to flow in a capitalistic driven model but how can it when the rich are not investing, banks are not lending. This means the same money gets churned and churned, forever decreasing with every roll of the dice.

        doug

        June 13, 2016 at 7:52 am

  4. Remember the rhetoric about lavish lifestyles while on benefits ?

    http://www.dunfermlinepress.com/news/14547815.Cheat_claimed_benefits_to_help_pay_off_catalogue_debts/

    As i and others have pointed out, that it could only be so if either they used catologs and got into debt or had a sideline business like selling drugs for example but for the record it could be something else completely legit like selling their already owned and paid for stuff on ebay as another example.

    doug

    June 11, 2016 at 8:50 am

    • “Sheriff Craig McSherry imposed a community payback order with 120 hours of unpaid work, to be completed within six months, as a direct alternative to custody .”

      Unpaid work (workfare) is a direct alternative to custody

      Craig McSherry

      June 11, 2016 at 9:40 am

      • That is how serious workfare (the now defunct MWA/CWP) is. The benefit claimant has been so naughty that they are being sentenced by a jobcentre cock roach to unpaid work, and in the case of CWP 900 hours which is three times the maximum sentence that can be handed down by a Court of Law as a last ditch attempt to avoid custody (prison).

        Craig McSherry

        June 11, 2016 at 9:46 am

    • Six whole months to complete 120 hours of unpaid work. Under MWA (Mandatory Work Activity) 120 hours of unpaid work had to be completed in just 4 weeks. And under CWP (Community Work Placement) 900 hours of unpaid work had to be completed in just 30 weeks. This just shows the wanton barbarism and sheer brutality of these schemes.

      Craig McSherry

      June 11, 2016 at 9:54 am

  5. Anti-austerity in the tabloids: red-top campaigns against the Bedroom Tax

    https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/austerity-media/jen-birks/anti-austerity-in-tabloids-red-top-campaigns-against-bedroom-tax

    Again we all said it years ago didn’t we but where was media ?

    doug

    June 11, 2016 at 8:54 am

  6. Advice experts in Northampton see rise in people hit by new benefits system

    http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/advice-experts-in-northampton-see-rise-in-people-hit-by-new-benefits-system-1-7425855

    Its only a matter of time wasn’t it.

    doug

    June 11, 2016 at 9:03 am

    • Universal Credit is to blame for 79% of rent arrears cases.

      One year on from the roll-out of Universal Credit (UC) in England, new research shows that 79% of council tenants in receipt of Universal Credit (UC) are in rent arrears.

      The report, published by the National Federation of ALMOs (NFA) and the Association of Retained Council Housing (ARCH) reveals that prior to claiming UC only half of those households had pre-existing rent arrears.

      Theoderic Braun.

      What you seem not to realise is just like sanctions and the 35-hour worksearch applied to the unemployed (and soon a majority of part-time workers) the one week waiting period and five/six week hiatus in receiving Universal Credit after application is a deliberate ploy to increase the poverty of claimants in the false belief that it will encourage them to find work find more work and work harder towards the former two goals.

      IDS always used to talk about effecting “behavioural change”, how two out of three workers were now salaried and paid monthly, and about forcing working class people to have to make the “same decisions as the middle classes”. All of this is preposterous. Most middle class persons have thousands of pounds of saving and liquid assets to fall back on, temporarily, when facing hard times, whereas poor working people often have to endure a hand-to-mouth existence, have little or no savings (and sometimes debts) and have nothing to fall back on if they lose their jobs or have their hours reduced or cut.

      Universal Credit with its Mephisophlean claimant commitment, sanctions, conditionality, and preposterous six week plus period of zero income for claimants is designed to render claimants supine and acquiescent, like starving someone until they have no energy left to stand up to or resist you.

      Freud and IDS designed UC specifically to achieve this end no matter how much pain, anxiety, difficulty and misery it inflicted upon claimants. It stinks, I know, but is very Freud and IDS who seem to think that benefit claimants have to be bullied and whipped like curs to get them to behave as desired.

      Consequently none of the bad in Universal Credit will ever get watered down or ameliorated while the Conservative government is in power. Or, sad to say, were Labour ever to win a general election sometime during the 21st century.

      http://www.24dash.com/news/housing/2016-06-07-Universal-Credit-leads-to-rent-arrears

      enigma

      June 11, 2016 at 1:56 pm

      • Cant wait to see how government talk this one around.

        Landlords are not interested in people getting back to work, their interested in collecting rent which produces a living so one could say, government is stifling landlords ability to make a living, to be better off in work.

        doug

        June 13, 2016 at 7:58 am

  7. The only thing about U.C. is: – it does what it is designed to do – delay payments, put people in hock to their landlords and generally fuck up the status quo for people who can budget their dole money properly.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    June 11, 2016 at 2:55 pm

  8. DWP History last 12 months.

    IDS (found an flimsy excuse to leave), McVEY (sacked), GRAYLING (jumped ship), PATEL (new scapegoat)

    Idiots one and all.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    June 11, 2016 at 3:02 pm

  9. Just out of interest, has anyone watching PMQ’s shall we say since IDS resigned from the DWP actually seen him in The House of Commons speaking up for his constituency or present in any debate?

    I watch a lot of debates and all PMQ’s.

    IDS is ignoring his constituent’s issues and problems by not being in the House of Commons to raise them at PMQ’s.

    In other words he is not currently doing the job he is paid £68,000 per year for.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    June 11, 2016 at 3:15 pm

  10. OT

    LEGAL NAME FRAUD

    Anyone heard of it, or has anyone seen billboards proclaiming legal name fraud?

    Does “Jane of Gaia” ring a bell to anyone?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36499750

    Questioner

    June 11, 2016 at 5:34 pm

  11. We should oppose automation until we can carry it out for ourselves (part one)

    http://www.consented.co.uk/read/we-should-oppose-automation-until-we-can-carry-it-out-for-ourselves-part-one/

    The dinosaurs were wiped out by volcanoes or a large meteor but it seems humans are set to wipe themselves out while looking for the easy life.

    doug

    June 13, 2016 at 8:20 am

  12. OT: BBC now trumpeting the cause of forced volunterring…

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-36482370

    Note: Bromley-by-Bow is ConCon Led, why am I not surprised…

    “Volunteering helped me get back on track
    Alex-Marie Phillips was diagnosed with schizophrenia after suffering a breakdown in October 2014. She had to stop working and studying.
    But at the start of 2016, the 20-year-old began volunteering at her local Mind charity shop.
    The work gave her confidence and helped her break down her “fears”.
    She soon started doing other things, such as visiting friends in different parts of the country.
    Within months, she was in paid employment again.
    “Volunteering had always been something I saw as selfless, something done purely for the benefit of others,” she says.
    “However, it has turned out to be so much more.
    “My confidence came on in leaps and bounds.
    “It has helped my social anxiety and has allowed me to get out more.”

    Really? Was she sectioned and now/was taking anti-psychotic drugs? No mention, so therefore what about those that are – and due to the severity of the mental illness should they stop, as they now “Feel Well”? [lets not even go into the side effects such drugs have on those who must take them… how many accidents would it take to say this is all rubbish]

    Gazza

    June 13, 2016 at 9:09 am

    • A relative suffers from mental illness and it is not good, or safe what this is pushing

      Gazza

      June 13, 2016 at 9:10 am

    • Obviously this person cant of been signing on as i reckon DWP would have something to say about her comment on visiting friends in different parts of the country when she should have been looking for work.

      How did she afford these visits ?

      Don’t get me wrong im all for anything that helps as i can say gardening is good for the mind, helps one to forget the world for a while but their again so does a good book.

      Wheres the counter argument, wheres all the evidence from people who volunteered and still haven’t found work.

      Talking of this job, what does the employer really know about this person, its not like they have to tell them their medical history is it.

      doug

      June 13, 2016 at 9:40 am

      • Schizophrenics trouser over £300 knicker a week, doug. The article reads like she was ‘volunteering’ whilst on disability benefits. Seems she has had some sort of miraculous ‘cure’. And how much does this job pay? Does it leave her with over £300 knicker a week after rent?

        Schizo

        June 13, 2016 at 11:16 am

  13. Michael Moore: ‘Britain is a toxic place’

    http://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/celebrity/michael-moore-britain-is-a-toxic-place/ar-AAgRrrK?ocid=spartandhp

    I put a link to a documentary the other day called where do we invade next about certain practices going on we could benefit from. Well this is the man behind it.

    doug

    June 13, 2016 at 12:06 pm

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    Tu Fote

    June 14, 2016 at 6:24 am

  15. doug

    June 14, 2016 at 7:21 am

  16. The local jobcentre is busy transferring all JSA claimants onto this universal shite. Even though you keep reading on these blogs that universal shite is IDS’s pipe-dream and is never going to materialise – bullshit, universal shite is right here, right now. Do any of these blog writers even sign on?, have set foot in a jobcentre? Can “Andrew Coates” even spell “Jobcentre”? Thought not!

    universal shite claimant

    June 14, 2016 at 9:39 am

    • I applied for UC on the 19th April 2016 and only got the first “housing element” payment, what used to be called housing benefit, for the period 19/04/2016 – 18/05/2016, today! Nearly two months after my application! Luckily I had some savings from my last job or I would by now have been in serious arrears and in deep shit. This ultra-long period between application and receipt of temporary assistance is a killer. Nobody with less than, say, four thousand pounds in the bank should ever be made to wait months for assistance with living expenses or rent/mortgage.

      Universal Credit is a national disgrace.

      Shame on everyone, especially the Liberal Democrats, for allowing it to go ahead in its current form.

      Tim

      June 14, 2016 at 10:51 am

      • I agree with you it is a disgrace. I’ve been lucky, I had to only wait seven weeks for any payment after signing on. The worst bit for me is not being informed how much I would be getting for six weeks of that period. Nobody would tell me. My Work Coach didn’t seem to care, my claim case worker would only tell me that I’d be getting my full entitlement and as for the expensive phone line that never gets answered forget it. I’ve been stressing about this and not sleeping for six weeks because of this bullshit. I can’t imagine what you’ve gone through Tim. Ian Bunkum Smith needs to hang for this.

        Tom Wingrove

        June 15, 2016 at 11:16 am

    • That means when you transfer from JSA > UC you are going to plunge into two months at least of rent arrears! Bastards!

      Fuck you DWP!

      June 14, 2016 at 5:02 pm

      • 😀

        The Sheriffs Are Coming! Can't Pay - We'll Take It Away!

        June 15, 2016 at 5:48 am

  17. I was told in January 2014 that I would be going over from JSA to UC in a few weeks time. And yet, I’m still waiting!

    jj joop

    June 14, 2016 at 10:59 am

    • JSA >> UC

      The longer you stay as you are the better. With UC if you get sanctioned your housing benefit gets stopped too, which doesn’t happen with JSA because your claim for housing benefit is done by you local authority not the DWP. With UC the chance of ending up evicted and homeless increases in leaps and bounds. Also you’re not allowed to earn up to £100 (I think it is) per week without your benefits being affected like JSA. As I say JSA if much greater, i.e., better, than UC any day.

      Hangu

      June 14, 2016 at 11:31 am

      • DWP must be thoughtful in your area Hangu as here even on JSA, as soon as your sanctioned, bang , in goes a phone call to housing benefit at the council house.

        As for sanctioning housing benefit, thanks for bringing it up as the question was posed a while back to which DWP confirmed or claimed anyway that housing benefit wouldn’t form a part of it.

        If you have written evidence to the contrary however please post it on line and i would be happy to chase it up as sanctioning housing benefit cannot do anything but REDUCE a claimants chances of finding gainful employment.

        doug

        June 14, 2016 at 11:47 am

      • Homeless people still not able to claim universal credit.

        I posted a while back how homeless people weren’t allowed to claim UC and it appears at least in my area and surround, very much still the case.

        What is it about being homeless that’s so difficult for the new UC to handle ?

        If your area is taking homeless people onto UC, please let us know so we can build a UC map of what and what you can have based on where you are.

        doug

        June 14, 2016 at 11:51 am

      • Regarding sanctioning Housing Benefit the DWP will have thought about, modeled it and done an impact assessment. From a right-wing knobhead perspective it is easy to say: “Throw them onto the bloody streets”. It goes without saying that cock roaches and ‘decision makers’ would have no qualms about sanctioning Housing Benefits. Not to mention the utterly evil third-party ‘providers’ who would just love to be given the power the throw their victims onto the streets.

        Rendering someone homeless has many negative impacts on the individual as well as society as a whole and it is patently obvious that a homeless individual has virtually zero chance of obtaining employment and well into the future – if ever. It also increases the likelihood of crime, ‘revenge’ attacks on jobcentre/’provider’ personnel and property.

        There are also practical consideration like how can a landlord receive income from an empty property? Would they ‘ship in’ replacement tenants Eastern Europe?

        It is not out of the goodness of DWP’s heart that Housing Benefit won’t be sanctioned at the same time as the ‘personal allowance element’ under Universal Credit.

        Welfare Rights Adviser

        June 14, 2016 at 12:27 pm

      • The idea of renting when you are dependent on Universal Credit is going to be hard as well – waiting time to begin with.

        Andrew Coates

        June 14, 2016 at 3:03 pm

      • Not to mention that a lot of vacated properties wouldn’t be fit for human habitation – the evicted tenant would make sure of that – if they weren’t burned to the ground or something.

        Welfare Rights Adviser

        June 14, 2016 at 12:29 pm

      • Sanctioning housing benefits would be a step too far – even the DWP realise this. It would be a tipping point to one almighty kickback; of course a lot of vested interests would welcome this. Imagine millions of homeless people marauding about with literally NOTHING TO LOSE – not even the roof over their head! Would YOU feel safe in your warm, cozy bed at night… 😉

        Wolf Creek in Zombieland

        June 14, 2016 at 12:40 pm

      • This only applies if the sanction is great than the ‘personal allowance’ element of UC – the sanction then eats into the housing element. This has nothing to do with jobseekers though since a sanction can never exceed the ‘personal allowance’ element of UC.

        Universal Credit

        June 15, 2016 at 9:04 am

      • Part-time workers judged to be doing too little to find full-time work face having their benefit for housing costs sanctioned by the government for the first time under universal credit.” This DOES NOT APPLY to jobseekers!

        Universal Credit

        June 15, 2016 at 9:06 am

      • I cannot see how they are going to enforce this.

        Are part-time workers going to have report to their ‘adviser’, coachy, every week?

        Andrew Coates

        June 15, 2016 at 10:17 am

      • “‘Part-time workers judged to be doing too little to find full-time work face having their benefit for housing costs sanctioned by the government for the first time under universal credit.’ This DOES NOT APPLY to jobseekers!”

        EVERYBODY on Universal Credit who has an income LESS than 35-hours on the minimum wage WILL be a jobseeker! Most people who are in work but earning less than 35-hours on the minimum wage will be treated just like fully unemployed people, so presumably most people on Universal Credit who are considered capable of work, were they sanctioned or not seeking work diligently enough could well lose housing benefit (which will be subsumed into Universal Credit and paid by the DWP to the claimant not to the landlord) could end up being reduced or lost altogether by severe sanctions.

        Part-time workers are not going to get a harder time of it on UC than the fully unemployed surely.

        Hangu

        June 15, 2016 at 11:34 am

      • “This DOES NOT APPLY to jobseekers!” EVERYBODY on Universal Credit who has an income LESS than 35-hours on the minimum wage WILL be a jobseeker!”

        Yeah well, FULL-TIME jobseekers then… if it makes you feel any better 🙂

        Universal Jobseeker

        June 15, 2016 at 12:17 pm

      • And anyway, all this is really doing is closing yet another ‘loophole’ as the DWP would see it… i.e part workers who work just enough hours to claim benefits, housing benefits, and keep the jobcentre off their back. There is a world of difference between working full-time and part-time. You are not really a worker if you are not working full-time hours. And that includes part-time jobcentre cock roaches, in fact even the full-time ones aren’t even workers. ‘Full-time’ work in the jobcentre is 10am – 3pm if even. Also that is why workfare schemes are always ‘full-time’ unlike community payback which is only a few hours a week.

        Universal Soldier

        June 15, 2016 at 12:25 pm

      • … the DWP/’provider’ want their victims to feel pain!

        Universal Soldier

        June 15, 2016 at 12:26 pm

      • With UC if you get sanctioned your housing benefit gets stopped too,

        This is not correct Hangu. If you are unemployed and receiving the full rate of UC that was previously a JSA payment, the housing element of your payment is not affected by sanctions, please check your facts before peddling myths. However, those in work and subject to in work conditionality can have the Housing element of their claim sanctioned.

        KJ

        June 15, 2016 at 7:14 pm

      • “10am – 3pm” and a two hour lunch. Cock roaches seem to swarm out the jobcentre before the clock has even struck bells. Ever tried to get through on the ‘phone to a decision maker etc. after 3 of the clock? Jobcentres are all but deserted at 3, skeleton staff at 4, and all but deserted expect a G$S goon or two still around to lock up at 5 of the clock after a hard days work 😉

        Jobcentre cockroaches are lazy bastards

        June 16, 2016 at 10:56 am

      • And there is also 2 or 3 ‘training days’ a week where they don’t clock on until 11 o’clock. Quite remarkable when you consider that these lazy bastards are on a minimum of £24,000 to £28,000 for a common or garden cock roach. ‘Decision maker’ and the manager, and the ‘managers’ no doubt outnumber the actual cock roaches are on astronomical salaries. Quite a cheek and utter brass neck when you consider the utter shit they peddle to jobseekers!

        Jobcentre cockroaches are lazy bastards

        June 16, 2016 at 11:01 am

  18. IDS spin becomes unwound

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/iain-duncan-smith-admits-benefit-8193934

    No, really that’s what we have been saying all along.

    doug

    June 15, 2016 at 7:41 am

  19. DIY Job Boards 🙂

    “We then pay you a revenue on a pay for performance basis as your job seekers review or apply for jobs.” 😀

    Universal Job Board

    June 15, 2016 at 8:57 am

    • As is said its trialed currently with a view to rolling out. NOW its up to people to make government hear their roar so start complaining to your local ministers. Start talking to the people claiming tax credits and housing benefit as at my local jobcentre, DWP is trying their hardest to keep them separate from the unemployed and ill and infirm.

      START RECORDING ANY AND EVERY MEETING YOU HAVE WITH DWP.

      IGNORE THE SIGN SAYING NO RECORDING DEVICE OR PHONE,ESPECIALLY IF ITS NOT AN OFFICIAL SIGNAGE CERTIFIED UNDER REGULATION (So photocopies even in colour are not official signage).

      IF it is legal signage then worry not as under section 4,paragraph 1 of the data protection act, a person suspected of (remember suspected so guilt doesn’t have to proven before the fact so just probable cause) a CRIME (intent to deceive is a crime and any lack of training isn’t your problem) LOSES their right to privacy under the act.

      YOU DO NOT HAVE TO INFORM THE PERSON THAT THEY ARE BEING RECORDED, NOR SEEK THEIR CONSENT.

      THIS IS THE LAW, A LAW EVEN CIVIL SERVANTS HAVE TO OBEY AND ENFORCE AS IS DICTATED IN THE CIVIL SERVICE CODE.

      If all advisors and managers think they are being recorded, they will be extremely careful in what they say and what they do.

      doug

      June 15, 2016 at 5:15 pm

      • I would point out that there is NO Information Act law which stops you recording [DO NOT POINT THIS OUT TO THE CRETINS – let them continue digging their hole] – In my case if even lawyers cannot use “without predudice” to talk under cover about Discrimination what hope for DWP doing harrassment?

        The only profession exempt are doctors – however if a doctor is doing something that you don’t like, provision to record kicks in [I’ve forgotton the phrase used to cover it but it exists]

        Denying recording in anyform to me mean collusion/concealment that is damaging to yourself.

        Just to be clear here – I have in my possession Legal acknowledgement that it is NOT illegal to record [DO NOT Share it unless you discover bad things are happening – NO UPloading to the Internet/facebook etc

        Gazza

        June 16, 2016 at 10:22 am

    • As the ever so prescient paultheswineherd says: ““PUT THE LOT INTO PRIVATE WORKHOUSES RUN BY G4S, CAPITA, ATOS & MAXIMUS”. Months ago now I warned of this, these bastards are slowly but surely doing this – if you are ‘single’ and ‘unemployed’ – be warned my friends – they will try to do this to you before too long.” You can see this shit coming alright. Keep ’em peeled!

      Shaw Taylor

      June 15, 2016 at 5:37 pm

  20. WORK AND HEALTH PROGRAMME

    It looks like the long-term unemployed and long-term sick are going to be pimped by local authorities. However, its budget will be cut by four-fifths compared to the Work Programme to just £130m a year.

    http://www.publicsectorexecutive.com/Public-Sector-News/councils-and-dwp-to-agree-disability-employment-scheme-devolution-pilots?dorewrite=false/Page-1441

    jj joop

    June 15, 2016 at 6:10 pm

  21. Unemployment down 20,000 to 5%.

    The number of people out of work and claiming benefits fell by just 400 in May to 746,100
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36536432

    You’ve gotta laugh haven’t yeh, there’s about that many under 25’s alone!

    Another Fine Recession

    June 15, 2016 at 6:39 pm

    • Notice the change in how the figures are presented ?

      As said, claimant count is back to the levels of 2008 so the real work of whether the reform works starts now. 400 is nothing as split between offices means only one in every jobcentre found work but then again at least one claimant in every jobcentre will have been sanctioned or sent on training which as we know sees the claimant listed as employed.

      As for the unemployed figure how many were migrants, we know last year a large portion of jobs went to them, a fact government omitted from the debate. How many were skilled jobs the benefit claimants couldnt have applied for,etc.

      doug

      June 16, 2016 at 10:59 am

  22. From the blog-

    “It’s not all bad news for Universal Credit, though. The principles behind it remain worthy – particularly simplifying the complex benefits system that means many people who are entitled to support don’t claim it”.

    What a load of crap- the reason people don’t claim what they are entitled to is the sanctions regime. Given that this SYSTEM is being escalated under UC, it’s likely to get worse, not better.

    KJ

    June 15, 2016 at 7:08 pm

    • “From the blog-

      “It’s not all bad news for Universal Credit, though. The principles behind it remain worthy – particularly simplifying the complex benefits system that means many people who are entitled to support don’t claim it”.”

      Which blog? This blog? Does Andrew Coates write that shit? Seriously!? Talk about losing the plot! Un-fucking-believable!!

      Gobsmacked

      June 16, 2016 at 8:12 am

    • “The principles behind it [Universal Credit] remain worthy” WTF!! Mr Coates needs to see a doctor – and fast!!

      Gobsmacked

      June 16, 2016 at 8:15 am

    • Imagine Ipswich Marxist Andrew Coates coming out in support of Universal fucking Credit. Seen it all now!!

      Gobsmacked

      June 16, 2016 at 8:18 am

      • Yup, that worthy principles etc stuff annoyed me as well.

        It was not made by my good self but by the report writer.

        The kind of person writing these reports always feels that you have to say something reasonable sounding and polite to get taken seriously.

        Unlike us and the Void who are made of sterner stuff.

        Andrew Coates

        June 16, 2016 at 11:39 am

      • Johnny Void is a big fan of Universal Credit too: “Universal Credit: the best thing since sliced fucking bread”

        Pinnochio

        June 16, 2016 at 12:32 pm

      • Johnny Void was sectioned shortly after posting that article.

        Grumpy

        June 16, 2016 at 9:21 pm

      • Johnny Void was quite funny if not disturbing in the later days ranting on about “Bring back the fucking workhouse”, “Benefit claimants should be fucking boiled down to glue”….

        White Dwarf

        June 17, 2016 at 1:41 pm

  23. One of the first symptoms of Alzheimer’s disease (senile dementia) is forgetfulness. Does it never occur to anyone that a lot of benefit claimants are being sanctioned when they are actually in the first stages of Alzheimer’s disease? Forgot appointment? Sanction! Forgot job diary? Sanction! Forgot to log onto Universal Jobmatch? Sanction! People suffering from Alzheimer’s forget because they genuinely forget. And often, at least initially, it is the only symptom. But by reading these blogs, there appears to be no excuse for forgetfulness according to the DWP. Benefit claimants in the early stages of Alzheimer’s disease must be getting sanctioned to death – literally! Why is this never mentioned or discussed?

    Mental Health Nurse

    June 16, 2016 at 8:52 am

    • Incidentally, Alzheimer’s disease can occur very early on, well within the range of when people are claiming ‘out-of-work’ benefits. It is just very strange that it is never mentioned or discussed, not even on these blogs as a possible cause as to why a claimant forgot to attend a jobcentre appointment etc. It is always worth mentioning that stress can also cause forgetfulness too. But is seems that there is no leeway as far the as DWP is concerned.

      Mental Health Nurse

      June 16, 2016 at 9:01 am

  24. Scam ‘job board’ is now metamorphosed into ‘Job Heaven’ on that utter fucking piece of shit universal job shite. Close that fucking site down for fuck’s sake. There is not ONE fucking REAL JOB on that fucking job. Nothing but fucking scam, ID thieves, bogus agencies, google adsense ‘job boards’. Universal jobmatch is beneath shite!

    universal jobmatch is total fucking shite

    June 16, 2016 at 12:09 pm

  25. Scam ‘job board’ NATIONWIDE PLACEMENT is now metamorphosed into ‘Job Heaven’ on that utter fucking piece of shit universal job shite. Why the fuck are jobseekers being FORCED under PAIN OF SANCTIONS to WASTE THEIR TIME on this FUCKING SHITE. TIME that could spent more PRODUCTIVELY in actually looking for a REAL JOB. Universal job shite is nothing but time wasting oakem picking for the unemployed backed by fucking sanctions. Total fucking SHIT site.

    universal jobmatch is total fucking shite

    June 16, 2016 at 12:12 pm

    • Feel your pain mate 😦 As someone who has recently being forced to sign on (business went under 😦 ) I find that the jobcentre has given me a raft of time-wasting tasks to complete. Universal Jobmatch is just one of them. I am so bogged down with these time-wasting, onerous tasks (which I have to diligently complete as I have been warned that if I don’t “Your money will be stopped”) I am unable to find the time to actually look for a job, start up another business.

      Walking into the Kafkaesque nightmare that the Jobcentre is was like walking onto the set of a Ken Loach film. I really didn’t realise it was this bad – trust me – it is!

      I, Daniel Blake

      June 16, 2016 at 12:23 pm

      • Universal jobmatch is nowt but a surveillance tool and a sanctioning machine. Cock roaches are PURE FUCKING EVIL! The only good cock roach is a DEAD cock roach. May they BURN IN HELL!!

        Insect I Cide

        June 16, 2016 at 2:32 pm

  26. And why the fuck does this TOTAL FUCKING SHITE site keep fucking ‘shuffling’ the ‘jobs’? What the FUCK is that all about. When you advance to the ‘next page’ it keeps displaying the same old fucking jobs. What the fuck job board does that? What the fuck! Universal jobmatch is nothing but total and utter fucking shite!

    universal jobmatch is total fucking shite

    June 16, 2016 at 12:15 pm

  27. SERIOUS NEWS

    Labour MP is shot in West Yorkshire:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36550304

    Is this the beginning of the end of democracy in this country?

    Balance

    June 16, 2016 at 2:42 pm

    • Democracy in this country? lol When did democracy ever exist in this country? Don’t know the ins and outs of this story but the citizens of this country are being pushed and pushed until the tip over the edge. The human brain is not designed to multi-task crises. As Einstein said for every reaction there is a reaction. Would you be surprised if the headline said: “Cock roach stabbed and shot to death”? No, you wouldn’t you would just think: “What a tragic thing to happen, but these cock roaches have been pushing and pushing vulnerable people for ages. I suppose it was enviable something bad was going to happen.”

      Samurai

      June 16, 2016 at 3:33 pm

      • For every ACTION there is a REACTION. MPs, cock roaches and those of that ilk should keep Einsteins’ wise words in mind 😉

        Samurai

        June 16, 2016 at 3:35 pm

      • Actually Einstein didn’t say that, you missed out an equal and opposite reaction as the emphasis is about that observation after all.

        Its funny you mention work coaches as i was thinking what if claimants kept saying to them, “your very brave to do this job”, i cant see you getting the publicity that MP got”.

        This also reminds me of Piers Morgan just recently spouting all that crap about what happened in Orlando and how he knows best about dealing with the problem, how look at us in the UK, well we are Piers and it looks like the same crap but different day even here.

        doug

        June 16, 2016 at 3:45 pm

    • This MP must have done something really bad to unhinge this guy? Sanctioned for 3 years, now living on the streets with fuck all to lose? Someone has to pay the price!

      Universal Bet

      June 16, 2016 at 3:42 pm

  28. The MP Jo Cox has died.

    In the name of democracy, NO GUNS.

    Balance

    June 16, 2016 at 4:18 pm

    • Wonder if this has anything to do with ‘welfare reforms’?

      Newshounds

      June 16, 2016 at 4:45 pm

      • “Newshounds”, you and the likes of “Universal Bet”, do not yet know what the background is to this harrowing incident in West Yorkshire. Until you do, hold your horses.

        As far “Samurai” goes, I believe it was Issac Newton’s third law of motion which relates to actions and reactions. Newton’s third law makes the reaction equal in magnitude to the action, so you are erroneously saying the MP was just as bad as the murderer. Samurai is clearly no Einstein.

        Balance

        June 16, 2016 at 5:07 pm

      • Does IDS have an open ‘surgery’ that you can just like walk into? Can’t imagine it but you never know?

        TPAC

        June 16, 2016 at 5:15 pm

      • Various statements are being attributed to the gunman: “NO BREXIT”, “SMASH SANCTIONS”…

        BBSHIT

        June 16, 2016 at 5:35 pm

      • No Balance, its,

        For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

        While i commend your recollection you to have failed to observe the scientific observation in your summing up of samurai.

        This shooting is what i call the age of decadence, a trend showing no signs of slowing down any time soon and its global. This was an assassination plain and simple as this man shot the MP a third time after she was down squarely in the head, even proceeded to stab her multiple times suggesting a lack of experience coupled with probably to much reliance on what they saw on TV in movies and shows.

        As for all this assault on democracy be serious, one man is hardly a threat and in earnest apart from the elections both local and central and the odd referendum, democracies left at the gate at 5 year cycles.

        doug

        June 17, 2016 at 6:35 am

      • Yes doug, this guy has obviously been watching too many movies probably westerns where it’s one shot and the other dude keels over and dies, just like that. It makes it look so easy; the myth of the clean kill and all that. But as he has quickly found out it is not that easy to kill a human being, the reality is it’s a messy, protracted business.

        Commando

        June 17, 2016 at 7:03 am

    • Jo Cox was only elected last year and had nothing to do with any laws involving sanctioning benefit claimants or anything else that causes misery to the poor: bedroom tax, part-payment of council tax, universal credit, sanctions or any other abortion made law by the current Tory government or the coalition government that preceded it. I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that she, with her sense of social justice and tireless work in the charitable sector prior to becoming an MP, were she an MP when this shite was going through parliament would have opposed it with every shred of her being.

      Jo Cox was a devoted wife and mother who didn’t have a bad bone in her body.

      She was murdered by a sad, pathetic, solitary loser, apparently because she was pro Europe. Her murder was a vile and disgusting act of completely unjustifiable and senseless violence, meted out by an armed lunatic in his fifties to a small, innocent and defenceless woman.

      It makes me ashamed to be British to be honest.

      I hope the nation remains part of the EU now in memory of tragic lost Jo.

      Brutes should never be allowed to win.

      (Samurai has made a complete twat out of himself.)

      Stephen Tucker

      June 17, 2016 at 1:26 pm

      • We we first heard it on the news we thought it was that little Scotch shit the Lib Dem turncoat Jo Swinson who voted for all the appalling ‘welfare reforms’, not that I had a little chuckle or anything, but then hubby popped in his hearing aid and said it’s Jo Cox you daft chuff. Jo Swinson was kicked out at the last election. Now go and make me a cuppa and get your drawers off you cheap tart you…

        Old Hilda

        June 17, 2016 at 1:48 pm

      • Interesting that you say that because GEOFF over on that ‘other site’ has picked up on a theory that she was in fact ASSASSINATED by the British STATE! Make of that what you will. And why is it always a “sad, pathetic, solitary loser”? That guy up in Dunblane who massacred all those school kids was described in the media as such, but in fact, he wasn’t, far from it… 😉

        Conspiracy Theory

        June 17, 2016 at 1:56 pm

      • The neighbours of the child-murdering loon at Dunblane said he used to talk to his guns, much like the character Private Pyle did in Full Metal Jacket. If that isn’t the behaviour of a sad, pathetic, solitary loser I don’t know what is.

        Stephen Tucker

        June 17, 2016 at 2:13 pm

  29. ujm gets to 1000 jobs and 20 pages and stops counting after that pmsl.

    superted

    June 16, 2016 at 5:21 pm

    • You have applied for 1000 jobs? 🙂 Coachy will be pleased 🙂

      UJM is pants

      June 16, 2016 at 5:30 pm

  30. As if we didn’t know.

    As many as 1.5 million benefits claimants could face destitution after disappearing from the welfare system, a report by a respected former Labour minister has warned.

    The authorities are failing to keep tabs on why claimants have disappeared from the roll meaning it has no idea how many people are being left penniless, according to Frank Field.

    The Work and Pensions Committee chairman said benefit sanctions are being applied on a “scale unknown since the Second World War” and the fate of at a least one third of those who have been penalised is “anybody’s guess.”

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/many-15m-benefits-claimants-could-7183037

    enigma

    June 16, 2016 at 8:11 pm

    • Yes enigma, a very important question indeed and did you notice the reply saying,

      “Its extremely unlikely” meaning and confirming that indeed government does not know the answer.

      I don’t know for sure but if it was me, i wouldn’t comply with my conditions if i was on a year plus sanctions, sure i might turn up to sign on, probably not on time but show evidence, highly unlikely and it makes no difference if they continue to sanction me, infact it would further my reluctance.

      So could a person simply think screw that, don’t sign on, yeah , i believe that happens and quite a bit considering some claimants patience with DWP.

      We would have a much better grasp of whos in work or not if we only list figures of people who are using their tax code as EMPLOYED instead of just a person looking for work who has signed on being listed as unemployed only if they have not been sanctioned or put on a government approved course/scheme.

      This insistence by government not to find out i think suggests perhaps they know more than their letting on, that perhaps the findings wouldn’t make for good reading.

      doug

      June 17, 2016 at 6:50 am

      • The TRUTH about employment/unemployment figures

        Firstly our population count is based on labour market stats. Our labour market stats only polls 16’000 single/couple every 3 months, its random selection and purely voluntary. While a very small amount of figures are bean counted, the majority of the stat is a guesstimate based on only 0.025% of the entire population. At that rate to be accurate every poll would have to be different singles/couples every time, their status would have to remain the same, births and deaths rates would have to be equal always and take a 1000 years.

        Employment status isn’t decided by one using their tax code, simply to be considered as employed, all one has to do is fail in just 2 areas, well its 1 actually split into two areas.

        1: Don’t sign on for benefits
        2: Not looking for work (the only way to be considered looking for work, one must sign on for benefits).

        In the case of inactivity, unless your a carer, parent,etc not reliant on welfare, the only time anyone knows your inactive is after the end of the tax year when you don’t show up on tax or welfare books. A concern of this inactivity figure is, how many of this group are migrants. Its important just not here but throughout as every migrant effects figures outcome, not to mention other stats such as the inequality one.

        This isn’t an exercise in migrant bashing, despite what ministers say, migrants aren’t all out benefit tourists and produce a fair wack of revenue for this country and its government. The thing is migrant workers aren’t static by nature so only serve to smoke and mirror our stats so is important to be able to discern that figure from our others.

        Now this what happens to claimants is equally as important, not just because someone is possibly destitute but because it means if these people have in fact not gone into work then the figures are wrong.

        So you have not only incomplete figures for the stat but also and additionally adding to the fact their nothing more than an educated guess in the first place.

        YOU SEE IN MATH THE ANSWER IS ONLY AS RIGHT AS THE QUESTION BEING ASKED AND THE QUESTION IS ONLY RIGHT IF THE OBSERVATION TO BEGIN WITH IS OBSERVED CORRECTLY.

        doug

        June 17, 2016 at 8:27 am

      • Rise in unemployment but only a blip say job bosses

        http://www.wigantoday.net/news/local/rise-in-unemployment-but-only-a-blip-say-job-bosses-1-7966120

        As you can see from my last post, figures given for employment/unemployment look quite different when we break them down. As you can see while the average painted a picture of people going into employment, it didn’t distinguish exactly what went up and down.

        doug

        June 17, 2016 at 8:42 am

      • Unemployment benefit claimants fall in Wolverhampton and Black Country

        http://www.expressandstar.com/business/midlands-business/2016/06/16/unemployment-benefit-claimants-fall-in-wolverhampton-and-black-country/

        NOW, whats interesting here isn’t how claimants got into work but more so the figure of 85 fewer claimants. You see given out as an average was the figure that theirs 400 less claimants signing on. Well mixed with the 85 means almost 25% (21.25%) of this 400 all came from one single place in the UK.

        Unemployment continues to fall in St Helens

        http://www.sthelensreporter.co.uk/news/local/unemployment-continues-to-fall-in-st-helens-1-7966887

        This coupled with the 85 makes 110, that’s 27.5% of the 400 who signed off all in JUST TWO PLACES alone.

        Another interesting fact we should consider is how many finding work then claim credits and or housing. I state this as when we look at yearly quarterly comparisons it appears full time job opportunities are shrinking while part time is increasing. It worth noting we need to aggregate other figures like how much created work is temporary and what are the different sorts of contracts on offer.

        doug

        June 17, 2016 at 10:11 am

  31. Check out these outrageous application form questions (these are from O2)

    Did any of your parent(s) or guardian(s) complete a university degree course or equivalent (eg. BA, BSc or higher)? *
    What type of school did you mainly attend between the ages of 11 and 16? *
    Up to the age of 16 did your family ever receive free school meals? *
    Up to the age of 16 did your family ever receive any other social security benefits? *

    Is this even legal?

    The options for the schools question are state-run or state-funded school (Non-selective e.g. comprehensive); state-run or state-funded school (Selective on academic, faith or other grounds); independent or fee-paying school; outside of the UK

    Absolutely fucking ridiculous.

    Job Seeker

    June 16, 2016 at 9:10 pm

    • Another trend is sites that require you to log into your Facebook account to fill in your application details! WTF!? What if you don’t have a Facebook account?!

      ‘Web-cam interviews’ are another growing trend. 3 (the mobile company) use this method.

      35 Hours A Week Jobsearcher

      June 17, 2016 at 6:10 am

      • It is non an actual interview. You were given five questions, given thirty seconds to prepare a response and 90 seconds to record it. For 3 three the questions were:

        Why do you want to work for Three? And what about longer term aspirations?

        Tell me about the best team you have been a part of. What role did you play? Why was it great?
        At the start of the interview we showed a video of ‘What it’s like to be Three’ please tell us why you are right for a position with us?

        Our customers expect the very best service – what do you think are the key things you should do when speaking to a customer who may not be happy with the service they are getting from 3?

        Please tell us about the best customer experience you have either given or received, what made it great?

        And don’t know why they had a fact guy with a speed impediment doing the “show me how” video: “bwightly lit room”, “Thwee” lol And a Scotch girl with a rough accent to asking the questions!

        35 Hours A Week Jobsearcher

        June 17, 2016 at 6:15 am

      • The reason “Thwee” give is that it “saves your hard-earned money”. It also means that they can see instantly what a candidate looks like, sounds like and how old they look which is their key criteria 😉 And bin you instantly if they don’t like the way you look, sound, age ;)The reason “Thwee” give is that it “saves your hard-earned money”. It also means that they can see instantly what a candidate looks like, sounds like and how old they look which is their key criteria 😉 And bin you instantly if they don’t like the way you look, sound, age 😉

        35 Hours A Week Jobsearcher

        June 17, 2016 at 6:21 am

      • A person cannot be made legal or otherwise to have an interview via camera, you cannot, not to say they wouldn’t try, be sanctioned for refusing to do so.

        Because a camera is considered a form of processing of data it is subject to ICO regulation meaning they party who seeks to process data in such a manner MUST FIRST SEEK LEGAL CONSENT.

        LEGAL CONSENT cannot be gained through force, threat or deception.

        doug

        June 17, 2016 at 6:58 am

      • I work in a school and while we can’t be forbidden to have Facebook ect we have to sign a form saying we’ll be careful what we post and what pix we put up. We sign a safe Internet policy saying we will watch what sites we go on eg no porno pix on dating websites. I don’t have Facebook anyway and wouldn’t take kindly to a work roach telling me to have one!

        katrehman

        June 17, 2016 at 10:22 am

      • Jobseekers are being ‘encouraged’ i.e. threatened with sanctions for ‘non-compliance’ to set-up ‘social media’ accounts; Facebook, Twitter, Linkedin…

        WS1

        June 17, 2016 at 10:45 am

      • Nobody could possibly force a citizen to open an account with a commercial company like Facebook or Twitter or whatever. If somebody suggests that you have to do something like this of face a sanction call their bluff and tell them to fuck off.

        Tim

        June 18, 2016 at 7:00 am

      • They can’t! But a lot of inexperienced and naive jobseekers, and remember cock roaches can easily raise a spurious doubt and have a jobseekers benefits sanctioned will fall for the spiel of: “Social networking is where all the jobs are these days, you have to put yourself out there. Otherwise, it could be seem that you are putting up barriers to finding working and hampering your chances deliberately of moving into employment. While you are unemployed we expect you to do all you can do to find work. If you persist in your refusal I may have to refer your claim to a ‘decision maker’. Do you understand?”

        Clay Mant

        June 18, 2016 at 9:27 am

      • Exactly: we are subject to a regime which doles out punishments in a way that would be judged incompatible with any ordinary court system or the rule of law.

        Andrew Coates

        June 18, 2016 at 11:14 am

      • Here is one of many examples of judicial sentencing which highlight and expose the wanton barbarity and utter brutality of ‘sentences’ imposed by job centre cock roaches:

        Man who caused cyclist death in Aberdeen ordered to do [225 hours of] unpaid work

        “A motorist who admitted causing the death of a cyclist by driving carelessly in Aberdeen has been ordered to carry out unpaid work.

        Stephen Cocker, 51, lost control of his silver BMW while overtaking a bus and hit father-of-three Neil Jaffrey.

        The 32-year-old died after the collision on North Anderson Drive in September 2014.

        At Aberdeen Sheriff Court, Cocker was told to carry out 225 hours of unpaid work .

        He was also disqualified from driving for three years.”

        Here we have someone who has KILLED, taken the life of a human being and yet they are sentenced to only a fraction of the sentence which can be imposed on a jobseeker for the ‘crime of being unemployed.
        Compare and contrast 225 hours of unpaid work with the 120 hours of unpaid work under MWA (Mandatory Work Activity) and the breathtakingly horrific 900 hours of unpaid work under the CWP (Community Work Placement).

        Xola

        June 18, 2016 at 12:43 pm

      • The Law is a right arse – lterally! Look at those old guys who got jailed for years for touching a woman’s bum 40 years ago!

        Max Clifford

        June 18, 2016 at 1:00 pm

    • Eh??!!

      WS1

      June 17, 2016 at 10:47 am

      • WS1 & dear all

        Just tell them – No. If they cannot understand that tell them to quote in writing the section of the information Act which allows such an order: Letting them know that as it does not [its you’re data you’re sharing so your rules, not theirs] they are therefore willing to take personal financial responsiblity for any blowback from identity fraud, you’ll be more than willing to accept such a written declaration from them. They are harrassing you by that action, and furthermore commiting an Act of Abuse of Power for the following reasons :

        a] in using powers they do not have,
        b] acting directly against a parlimentry act against your interest.
        c] being unable to justify such action.

        Each one is Gross Misconduct – 2 and you’re sacked.

        My jobsworth shutup damn quick after that and never mentioned it again. Strange that. I wonder why…

        Gazza

        June 17, 2016 at 11:26 am

  32. It is non an actual interview. You were given five questions, given thirty seconds to prepare a response and 90 seconds to record it. For 3 three the questions were:

    Why do you want to work for Three? And what about longer term aspirations?

    Tell me about the best team you have been a part of. What role did you play? Why was it great?
    At the start of the interview we showed a video of ‘What it’s like to be Three’ please tell us why you are right for a position with us?

    Our customers expect the very best service – what do you think are the key things you should do when speaking to a customer who may not be happy with the service they are getting from 3?

    Please tell us about the best customer experience you have either given or received, what made it great?

    And don’t know why they had a fact guy with a speed impediment doing the “show me how” video: “bwightly lit room”, “Thwee” lol And a Scotch girl with a rough accent to asking the questions!

    35 Hours A Week Jobsearcher

    June 17, 2016 at 6:15 am

  33. That MP whatever his name who managed to slip into Joanna Gosling’s knickers: “Every day we have have constituents come to see us who have been sanctioned, are facing destitution because their money has been stopped, are facing eviction because they have been left penniless by the DWP. We can’t just ignore these people and turn them away”. She was fucking fuming! Lucky he was appearing on screen or she would have done what she did with that other MP who she turned all school marm on, chiding him for saying something she disapproved of , then told him on no uncertain terms to leave her lol studio.

    Victoria Derbyshire's Knickers

    June 17, 2016 at 10:58 am


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