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Sanctions Appeal System: Time for a Change.

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Many of our contributors have been concerned with this story:

Callous DWP Officials Considered Charging Disabled People To Appeal Benefits Decisions Welfare Weekly.

DWP officials considered plans to begin charging sick and disabled to challenge benefit decisions, a secret internal document reveals.

Callous Department of Work and Pensions (DWP) officials considered plans to begin charging sick and disabled to challenge benefit decisions, a secret internal document reveals.

The document seen by Mirror Online reveals how officials believed the introduction of social security tribunal fees, mirroring those for employment tribunals, “could contribute a portion of the cost of running the tribunals system” – requiring claimants to pay to challenge potentially inaccurate benefit decisions.

 Only due to sheer incompetence has the document come to the attention of the media. Because bungling officials failed to redact it correctly, which would have protected the secrecy surrounding the proposals.

Officials also considered reducing appeal times from 12 to 6 months and draconian measures to cut the number of successful appeals, at a time when more than 50% of decisions are being over-turned in favour of the claimant at appeal.

They even planned to ‘remove payment of ESA (Employment Support Allowance) pending appeal’.

The Mirror where the story broke a few days ago said this,

The document appears to have been a response to the huge number of adverse benefit decisions which are overturned on appeal.

The DWP tried to stop the report being made public – but bungling officials failed to properly redact its contents.

Labour’s shadow work and pensions secretary Owen Smith said: “This secret document shows the inner workings of a department that seems determined to make life harder for disabled people and low-wage working families.

The report concludes:

A DWP spokeswoman insisted the proposals were not taken forward by the Government as actual policies.

“These ideas were drafted by staff before the last election. They do not represent Government policy and have never been sent to Ministers,” she said.

The idea was not simply to make it harder for people to appeal – an obvious wish – but to reduce the very large number of cases going through the system.

Background  DWP appeals (August 2015):

Half of all sanctions taken against benefit claimants are wrongly imposed, new figures have shown.

Government statistics show 50% of sanctions imposed against those on Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) are overturned on appeal since the new sanctions regime was introduced in October 2012.

Some 575,901 sanctions were challenged with an astonishing 285,327 being overturned.

Questions over new benefit sanctions warning system. December 2015.

An SNP MP has raised questions over a new benefit sanctions warning system to be trialled in Scotland next year.

The UK government has proposed telling benefit claimants two weeks in advance that payments are to be cut off, giving them more time to appeal.

SNP social justice spokeswoman Eilidh Whiteford said “tinkering around the edges” of the system would not resolve “the deep flaws at its core”.

The UK government said the new method would “strike the right balance”.

Under the current system, benefits are cut off immediately when a claimant fails to comply with rules set by the Department for Work and Pensions.

The system came under criticism when it emerged that 58% of people who lodged appeals in 2014 were successful in having sanctions overturned.

The new proposals, to be trialled in Scotland in 2016, would see claimants given a “yellow card” or warning when a sanction was triggered, giving them 14 days to appeal and provide evidence.

In October Iain Duncan Smith, the UK government’s work and pensions secretary, said: “During this time, claimants will have another opportunity to provide further evidence to explain their non-compliance.

“We will then review this information before deciding whether a sanction remains appropriate. We expect that this will strike the right balance between enforcing the claimant commitment and fairness.”

This is therefore a widespread problem – caused by the fact that sanctions have increased – beyond the problems faced by disabled people.

Sanctions overturned following challenge

An estimated 80,600 JSA sanctions and 10,000 ESA sanctions were overturned in the 12 months to March 2015 via reviews, reconsiderations or appeals. This is a total of 90,600 cases where the claimant’s payments will have been stopped for weeks or months only to be refunded later. This figure peaked at 153,500 in the year to March 2014.

People involved in the process say that it is not simple to follow or easy to carry through appeals.

It is often incredibly, incredibly, slow.

80,600 JSA claimants have gone through a lot of misery for unjust reasons.

This story – about making things worse for one group of claimants – should be a call for a change to the whole system.

JSA sanctions If you don’t follow the rules when you’re on job seekers allowance, you risk being sanctioned. Here’s how to avoid having your JSA stopped.

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Written by Andrew Coates

April 23, 2016 at 10:57 am

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  1. HELP and Information required!

    “mas locin” has added an annotation to a reply to a Freedom Of Information request I made in January this year.

    I would be grateful if all of you would read it and comment. Any advice for mas, or any positive direction you could point the guy in will be gratefully received. He is being sanctioned to death. Thanks.

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/signing_provider_documentation#comment-68630

    Curtis Allan

    April 23, 2016 at 11:31 am

    • Piece of nonsense! If the building burnt to the ground the ‘fire register’ would be burnt to a cinder.

      Farenheit 451

      April 23, 2016 at 12:44 pm

      • There is a tale about a library being burned to the ground and all that remained within the ashes was a wholly intact and untarnished copy of the Koran (The Muslim ‘Holy Book’). Maybe these ‘fire registers’ share the same indestructibility as the Koran and the only thing that would be left if a ‘providers’ office burnt to the ground would be a wholly intact and untarnished ‘Fire Register’

        Ray Bradbury

        April 25, 2016 at 12:54 pm

      • btw even the Holy Bible went up in smoke.

        Ray Bradbury

        April 25, 2016 at 12:55 pm

      • When you walk into tescos, do they make you sign a fire register ?

        Of course they don’t and that is the exact position a claimant is in when attending a provider as you are a customer plain and simple. Customers are NOT subject to the law, only the building owner,the renter,the employers and employees are mandated under law.

        This means actually the provider cannot legally compel you to sign this register and DWP cannot sanction you for failure to participate as a result.

        doug

        April 26, 2016 at 10:21 am

      • Show me the law or i will show you the door.

        doug

        April 26, 2016 at 10:32 am

      • When was the last time you had to sign a ‘fire register’ to enter the cinema? Never! What these ‘providers’ are trying to make out is a mile high pile of poo.

        Debigma

        April 27, 2016 at 12:08 pm

  2. NO SANCTIONS*

    * expect as a “last resort”

    Read the Small Print

    April 23, 2016 at 12:02 pm

  3. This secret document shows the inner workings of a department that is determined to make life as difficult as possible for the disabled, unemployed & low wage working families. in the hope that most will do what many have done before them.

    enigma

    April 23, 2016 at 1:08 pm

  4. The DWP are using Healthcare Professionals tactics more & more. If a threat don`t work there is an even bigger threat & more threats. Some the threats & carry out the threats which proves the DWP are powerless when the threats are made up on the spot. The problem is no one has told the Jobcentre staff they are not contracted to the DWP as their employers any more the jobcentre staff are now contracted to one of the DWP contractors. Maximus & Atos have a huge stake in running the DWP. Jobcentres are powerless & are at war with the DWP. So since you work for Maximus now jobcentre staff you have no power as the DWP`s contractor.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    April 23, 2016 at 1:16 pm

    • Each persons case is different.

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      April 23, 2016 at 1:17 pm

    • Stepping I agree

      I would make the further points:

      Is DWP under the remit of the NHS? No, its like a NHS Porter [untrained, no recognized professional qualifications] saying someone has a medical condition. For instance telling a person they have a mental illness/or ignoring a physical disability.
      This makes such pronouncements :

      A] personal Harassment
      B] Slander (and if written down as in my case Defamation – 2 for the price of one!) – clearly aiming to harm the recipient
      C] taking the above into account it is therefore a Abuse of Power as they have no Power to do what they are doing.
      D] I have a feeling it also contravenes the Equality Act due to unwanted actions so Harassment right there for that
      E] As DWP Managers are not stamping down on this activity it makes it a Institutional matter – especially as it is being encouraged by Ministers and said Managers

      Gazza

      April 23, 2016 at 3:15 pm

      • Gazza –

        “”””E] As DWP Managers are not stamping down on this activity it makes it a Institutional matter – especially as it is being encouraged by Ministers and said Managers””””

        About The Customer, guidance for employers – I have read all these rules imposed on the employers to carry out these duties. Customer & Help that is not stop promoted in these Healthcare Professionals control & procedure of Universal Credit having already controlled ESA & PIP. We are there to help you & we care as you are our customer. Since when has the DWP called you a customer !!!, Dear Customer !!!

        Of course they are using the DWP to dig away at the NHS because the Welfare Reform is all about Risk Assessment. WCA`s are risk assessments, for who !!!! Claimant Commitment is a risk assessment for Universal Credit. That is why no one gets a form these days & if they do like ESA50 it is a questionnaire not a form. I would ask Paul Daniels how you fill out a form over the phone but he`s dead. Confidence Tricksters doing magic tricks that don`t work.

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        April 23, 2016 at 3:31 pm

    • That ought to be made clear.

      I imagine there’s some get out clauses at work.

      Andrew Coates

      April 24, 2016 at 11:57 am

    • If this is what i think its about, the change actually happened under Labour and was used so they government could get around not having to request a claimants consent to forward providers various personal and on certain occasions sensitive data to when sending people on what was known then as flexi new deal.

      This is precisely why i and others advocate not filling in the providers paperwork at all and why secretly behind our very backs, the Tories are trying to introduce n further extension whereby people such as those that provide actual work experience (say heart foundation for instance), are treaty as second parties in the first as is currently the case for DWP personally.

      This is a prime example of why whether or not their suited to it that claimants must make themselves informed, even politically to stave off these attacks early rather than after the hammer has dropped.

      doug

      April 25, 2016 at 10:03 am

  5. The Appeals – When an appeal system has a vetting system called GL24 mandatory reconsideration to be decided if you can appeal or not by a Decision Maker. Point of entry is where I stop & see points like these. It all seems a vetting system – To get public forms you need to be vetted. As the disabled people are treated like dogs we need to be vetted.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    April 23, 2016 at 1:21 pm

    • New Appeal Rules.

      You can only be vetted if you pay for it.

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      April 23, 2016 at 1:23 pm

    • Is GL24 not defunct now?

      After your ‘mandatory reconsideration’ is refused you should be firing off an SSCS1

      https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/181311/SSCS1.pdf

      http://hmctsformfinder.justice.gov.uk/courtfinder/forms/sscs001a-eng.pdf

      HMCT

      April 24, 2016 at 1:04 pm

    • “When an appeal system has a vetting system called GL24 mandatory reconsideration to be decided if you can appeal or not by a Decision Maker.” This is patent nonsense. Lay off the whacky backy, Stepping 😀

      The Reefer

      April 24, 2016 at 1:07 pm

      • It may sound silly but that are the rules.

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        April 24, 2016 at 1:21 pm

      • Seriously, Stepping!? A fucking DWP ‘decision maker’ decides (after they turn down your manda-tory re-con-sideration if you can submit form SSCS1 (Appeal form) to the Tribunal?! Seriously?! Since when did this bolloxs come about?

        Horseshit

        April 24, 2016 at 1:51 pm

      • You have to have permission from a fucking ‘decision maker’ to fill in and send off this form?! Seriously!? How the fuck can you Appeal then? Of course the fucking ‘decision maker’ isn’t going to allow you to appeal their fucking decision? If this is true it needs fucking publicised widely because de facto and for all intents and purposes there is no appeal system! This is un-fucking-believable if it is true!

        https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/181311/SSCS1.pdf

        Horseshit

        April 24, 2016 at 1:56 pm

      • Kind of like ‘leave to Appeal’? Un-fucking-believable. If this is true the DWP Tribunals may as well shut up shop!

        Horseshit

        April 24, 2016 at 1:58 pm

      • Why has nobody, nowhere ever mentioned this before? You would at least have expected JV to have written an article about it: “Astonishing: you need fucking permission from a fucking ‘decision maker’ to Appeal a fucking DWP decision, and even if the fucking ‘decision maker’ gave you permission you would have to fucking pay to Appeal”.

        Horseshit

        April 24, 2016 at 2:01 pm

    • “New Appeal Rules. You can only be vetted if you pay for it.” – This is total and utter horseshit!

      The Reefer

      April 24, 2016 at 1:10 pm

      • Is that for dodgy dave who made these rules!!!

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        April 24, 2016 at 1:23 pm

    • The new appeal rules are only a few weeks old & was published very quietly !!! Most of the thread is about the new rules they make up each day. Keep up with the new rules that change every hour.

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      April 24, 2016 at 2:43 pm

      • Well, post a fucking link then!

        Stepping In Shit

        April 24, 2016 at 9:49 pm

      • btw you already spam the Void to fuck. Don’t think you will get away with it here. And this is Ipswich UNEMPLOYED Action. Campaigning for UNEMPLOYED Rights.

        Stepping In Shit

        April 24, 2016 at 9:52 pm

  6. Thousands gather in Germany to protest US – Europe trade deal a day ahead of President Obama’s visit

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3555126/Thousands-protest-trade-deal-Germany-Obama-visit.html

    enigma

    April 23, 2016 at 3:29 pm

  7. Sadly I have just had My Mandatory reconsideration letter stating the DWPS withdrawl of my esa is rubber stamped upheld . The DM addressed none of the evidence or points I submit and even stated they didnt listen to the recording of the WCA I said to be included as evidence because I didnt supply them with a copy.

    Can any one tell what form I need to fill in now for the actual Tribunal service.

    Cheers

    Growls

    April 24, 2016 at 12:14 am

    • Form SSCS1 – Appeal Against a Decision by the Department of Works and Pensions

      You can fill in the pdf on screen 🙂

      https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/181311/SSCS1.pdf

      HMCT

      April 24, 2016 at 12:58 pm

    • Good luck! 🙂

      HMCT

      April 24, 2016 at 1:00 pm

    • About DWP’s decisions

      DWP is changing the way it makes decisions and the way that you make an appeal depends
      on the type of decision you have received. The information given in this guide applies to
      appeals against decisions made regarding the Personal Independence Payment and Universal
      Credit and, from 28 October 2013, to all other DWP decisions with a right of appeal.

      If your decision does not relate to the Personal Independence Payment or Universal Credit
      and the letter is dated before 28 October 2013, you should follow a different process
      and the appeal should be made by using a different form and sent to a different address.
      Information on how to do this is not provided in this guidance booklet. To find out more
      about the process, you should obtain DWP’s leaflet GL24 ‘If you think our decision is
      wrong’ and use the appeal form provided with it. The guidance given in the leaflet will tell
      you how to start your appeal. You can obtain a copy of a GL24 form from Jobcentres or
      you can download a copy from http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/gl24dwp.pdf. This guidance
      booklet can explain to you only what happens once HMCTS receive your appeal, but the
      instructions given on how to make the appeal, which form to use and where to send it are
      not for you and you should not use them.

      If your decision relates to the Personal Independence Payment or Universal Credit or is
      dated 28 October 2013 or later, you should use the guidance provided in this booklet to
      make your appeal.

      The information provided here applies to appeals against decisions you have already
      asked DWP to reconsider and for which they have provided you with a
      Mandatory Reconsideration Notice. This is the letter from DWP telling you they have reconsidered
      their decision. It may also apply to a decision made by DWP regarding a dispute which had
      already resulted in an appeal.

      illis@gmail.com

      April 26, 2016 at 6:29 am

    • About DWP’s decisions

      DWP is changing the way it makes decisions and the way that you make an appeal depends
      on the type of decision you have received. The information given in this guide applies to appeals against decisions made regarding the Personal Independence Payment and Universal Credit and, from 28 October 2013, to all other DWP decisions with a right of appeal.

      If your decision does not relate to the Personal Independence Payment or Universal Credit and the letter is dated before 28 October 2013, you should follow a different process and the appeal should be made by using a different form and sent to a different address. Information on how to do this is not provided in this guidance booklet. To find out more about the process, you should obtain DWP’s leaflet GL24 ‘If you think our decision is wrong’ and use the appeal form provided with it. The guidance given in the leaflet will tell you how to start your appeal. You can obtain a copy of a GL24 form from Jobcentres or
      you can download a copy from http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/gl24dwp.pdf.

      This guidance booklet can explain to you only what happens once HMCTS receive your appeal, but the
      instructions given on how to make the appeal, which form to use and where to send it are not for you and you should not use them.If your decision relates to the Personal Independence Payment or Universal Credit or is dated 28 October 2013 or later, you should use the guidance provided in this booklet to make your appeal.

      The information provided here applies to appeals against decisions you have already asked DWP to reconsider and for which they have provided you with a Mandatory Reconsideration Notice. This is the letter from DWP telling you they have reconsidered their decision. It may also apply to a decision made by DWP regarding a dispute which had already resulted in an appeal.

      illis@gmail.com

      April 26, 2016 at 6:32 am

  8. Double amputee ‘asked to prove he’s disabled’ to keep receiving benefits

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/04/23/double-amputee-asked-to-prove-hes-disabled-to-keep-receiving-benefits-5836478/

    ken

    April 24, 2016 at 2:06 pm

    • “””A spokesperson for DWP told Metro.co.uk that they have reinstated Daniel’s benefits, and have given him back-payments so that he hasn’t lost out on any money.

      ‘Decisions on eligibility for PIP are made based on all the available evidence, including from a GP,’ the spokesperson added. ‘Mr Gallagher’s form has now been received and is being processed.’”””

      So his DLA has been reinstated until the Healthcare Professionals can sort out their admin failure.

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      April 24, 2016 at 2:47 pm

      • Yes its strange how they suddenly shift position when negative headlines occur and the spotlight falls on their activities’.

        ken

        April 25, 2016 at 10:54 pm

    • I thought It`s Not What You Can`t Do, But What You Can Do !!! Admin Failures.

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      April 24, 2016 at 2:49 pm

  9. Since the DWP can`t control their contractors the Healthcare Professionals. One way is send Maximus or ATOS a Cease & Desist letter. Any more harassment & it`s breaking the Cease & Desist letter which makes it a criminal matter. Now DWP do you also what a Cease & Desist Letter since you don`t want any other of my letters. Prove you did not receive the Cease & Desist Letter DWP. Is that why you break your own rules & procedures to quote the DWP.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    April 24, 2016 at 2:53 pm

  10. ESA on to Universal Credit.

    That is when all ex disabled people become able bodied people with equal rights & equality in society to get a job with our Disability Confident Experts & our Mental Function Champions we will help you through your new life with out specially trained work coaches.

    When the UK has combated & made disability a thing of the past.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    April 24, 2016 at 2:58 pm

  11. My sanction center have helpfully printed off ‘ vacancies’ from UJ, and stuck them on the wall.
    Why? Just to prove there’s lots of jobs out there?
    Of course they’ve gone for the wishy washy, generic, easy to get vacancies, which means 50% of them are obvious fakes! Nobody asked what I was giggling at.

    Another Fine Recession

    April 24, 2016 at 10:01 pm

    • Vacancies don’t incite positive outcomes all can get work, they merely entice and provide employers with the opportunity to import foreign workers or set the condition to entice such rather than the rhetoric of their all benefit tourists that government would have the public believe.

      Employers are the LARGEST barrier to work plain and simple.

      doug

      April 25, 2016 at 10:21 am

  12. From an Ingeus ‘workshop’: [‘facilitator’ marching across room] It’s about the craic, the camaraderie, the chat around the water cooler. It’s all about [‘facilitator’ breaks into a goosestep and voice reaches a fever pitch] WORK, WORK, WORK!!

    Fuck Ingeus

    April 25, 2016 at 7:56 am

    • The other shit they come out with is “we have all been brainwashed into working for money. And what is money? Bits of paper! You over in the corner if I gave you £100 you wouldn’t know what to do with it [no reply]. [voice in the corner] “But it’s what you can buy in a shop with the money” [no response]. It is just shit being delivered by knobheads on fat salaries trying to brainwash their victims into working for nothing. Just so long as you have got plenty of WORK, WORK, WORK!! Who needs money when you you can pay your gas bill with self-esteem.

      Fuck Working Links

      April 25, 2016 at 12:28 pm

    • It’s like that TV programme with that obnoxious fat bitch Hayley Taylor (The Fairy Jobmother). She was speaking to a group of single parents and told them even though they wouldn’t be getting paid in money they would be “paid in self-esteem tokens” lol

      The Couch Potatoes

      April 25, 2016 at 12:38 pm

  13. Unintended (at Least to the Public but central to ConCon Plans) Consequences of Sanctions Alert

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36125160
    Charities call for action over homelessness in England

    Me:
    Sanctions and homelessness – what could be the connection?

    Gazza

    April 25, 2016 at 9:14 am

    • (A short video that explains why we are in the mess we currently find ourselves in and why government behaves the way it does).

      I could have linked this to quite a few posts on this site so it isn’t personal to only Gazza’s.

      As you will see if you watch it and you should as this person did take the time to make it palatable for all levels of understanding, how easily it is to misuse and misrepresent a point via statistics and how people need to see them as they are which is often rather not, just a guide to what it may be like or is.

      If you have a 1000 people in room and want to ask them a particular question to find what people think, statistically you would poll a few and portion it to the rest, where as if you wanted an absolute and concise answer, you would actually ask them all.

      doug

      April 25, 2016 at 10:14 am

  14. UK must leave European convention on human rights, says Theresa May.

    Britain should withdraw from the European convention on human rights regardless of the EU referendum result, Theresa May has claimed in comments Labour has condemned as appalling.

    The home secretary’s remarks on Monday triggered an immediate response from the shadow justice secretary, Charles Falconer, who described the intervention as “so ignorant, so illiberal, so misguided”.

    Lord Falconer accused May of “sacrificing Britain’s 68-year-old commitment to human rights for her own miserable Tory leadership ambitions”.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/25/uk-must-leave-european-convention-on-human-rights-theresa-may-eu-referendum

    enigma

    April 25, 2016 at 1:49 pm

    • A system that requires huge populations to do all the menial tasks that prop up a totalitarian regime. Those enslaved by the system aren’t even aware they are enslaved when it is staring them right in the face. The world’s sheeple have been conditioned to accept their fate and to hold those behind their pathetic existence as something to admire and to tug the forelock in appreciation of their dire situation. However lately their control mechanisms have been working overtime as the internet untangles the massive web of deceit they have been getting away with for far to long.

      http://www.intmensorg.info/royalstockholm.htm

      enigma

      April 25, 2016 at 3:37 pm

  15. Doctors Strikes… Are the ConCons getting worried by the public view of their intransigent stance?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-36126740
    Junior doctors’ leaders ‘trying to topple the government’

    Junior doctors’ leaders are trying to bring down the government, a government source has told the BBC.

    In a scathing attack, the source said the two all-out strikes this week were aimed at toppling the government and Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt.

    The British Medical Association said the accusation was “ridiculous”

    Me: Really? Arn’t they asking for a independent view on the changes – also where the bogus figures the ConCons have produced be looked at?

    Gazza

    April 25, 2016 at 2:27 pm

    • What a stupid BBC – Trying to topple the government. Does that not make the Junior Doctors terrorists trying to topple the government.

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      April 25, 2016 at 3:37 pm

    • Jeremy Hunt’s statement on the junior doctors’ strike

      Jeremy Hunt, the health secretary, is due to give a statement in the Commons on tomorrow’s junior doctors’ strike.

      http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2016/apr/25/eu-referendum-gove-boris-johnson-brexit-fightback-politics-boris?page=with:block-571e3189e4b0c06db4196e74#block-571e3189e4b0c06db4196e74

      enigma

      April 25, 2016 at 4:45 pm

    • Gazza, do you have a link to the list of DMs, .

      enigma

      April 26, 2016 at 8:36 am

      • enigma

        Sorry, DMs? – could you expand on what you want?

        There is no List per see we the public can access, there is however the DM Instructions which I have copied off from whatdotheyknow.

        Facts:
        A: DWP offices DO have access to DM Decisions in their offices/CAN print off if requested
        B: DM is supposed to ring you if you request [never happened in my case but that was because the DM was the same person who levelled the sanction
        C: The reason for the Sanction MUST be clearly explained/laid out [in my case its completely blank]
        D: Do NOT fill out any appeal paperwork until AFTER DWP states in writing exactly why the Sanction is being applied – it stops them changing the Reasons after you have appealed [and conveniently lost the paper work] Done on the Wrong Appeal Form to boot

        Let me know what you want and I’ll see if I can dig it out if it exists

        Gazza

        April 27, 2016 at 8:07 am

  16. Changing your minds every day. The Tories have a split personality. Boris Johnson needs flogging the rude bubbling idiot.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    April 25, 2016 at 3:40 pm

  17. NEWS FLASH

    Dodgy Dave has past his bill of rights without any fuss.

    No Appeal System unless you – No Legal Aid unless you pay – No public form without being vetted.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    April 25, 2016 at 3:42 pm

  18. OT: Guardian [I think] Sketch about ConCons wanting to Leave EHCR

    h/t: Refuted

    Gazza

    April 25, 2016 at 4:22 pm

  19. WARNING – THIS DOCUMENT IS FOR INTERNAL USE ONLY AND SHOULD NOT BE SHARED WITH EXTERNAL PARTNERS OR CLAIMANTS

    http://data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/work-and-pensions-committee/universal-credit-inwork-progression/written/31677.html

    ¬

    April 25, 2016 at 7:15 pm

      • Serious alarm bells ringing…about this “MANDATORY psychological intervention explicitly aimed at behavioural change – without any appropriate procedure to obtain and record clearly informed consent from research participants”.

        Read on…

        ¬

        April 25, 2016 at 7:38 pm

    • Its a waste of time as it can easily be circumnavigated if a claimant had a need to and theirs nothing DWP can do about it.

      doug

      April 26, 2016 at 10:31 am

      • Doug, do you have a link to a list of DM’s?

        enigma

        April 26, 2016 at 10:58 am

      • Doug, I am in need of a mandatory reconsideration , notice, how to? please.

        enigma

        April 26, 2016 at 11:26 am

      • So your asking how to make one Engima ?

        doug

        April 26, 2016 at 11:51 am

      • Forget that Doug.

        enigma

        April 26, 2016 at 11:51 am

      • It’s now my time to appeal, various things going on, but first, this notice, I have been reading about it, (never had to appeal before) obviuosly!

        enigma

        April 26, 2016 at 11:54 am

      • Then what is it you want to know as im not sure ?

        doug

        April 26, 2016 at 11:57 am

      • I just need to write a letter asking for this notice, before I go to tribunal, because that notice is needed before a tribunal.

        enigma

        April 26, 2016 at 12:07 pm

      • I assume their saying they sent the original which if case went astray then you do indeed need to gain a copy by getting one from DWP.

        Add it to your SSCS1 and bobs your uncle.

        doug

        April 26, 2016 at 12:13 pm

      • I don’t think my case will end up at a tribunal because I know what they are doing is illegal. I will let you know what at goes on.

        enigma

        April 26, 2016 at 12:31 pm

      • guess what i have been sent on a skills condition course on Wednesday 25 of April pmsl they just cant help them self and a week b4 i go to a tribunal and will be submitted as proof the jcp are trying everything to trip me up and get a sanction.

        superted

        April 26, 2016 at 2:49 pm

      • Did DWP assess you first or state this provider their going to send you to will carry them out superted ?

        I don’t have the skills conditionality SFA paperwork about me (not sure if i threw it away) but prior to going on say a Maths or English course for instance in the case of these schemes, a claimant must be assessed prior to as needing/lacking.

        Now i have found around the country,time and time again where that just isnt happening and do remember currently, adult learning figures are at an all time LOW, not to mention being on the scheme statistically gets you seen as unemployed.

        When their superted their at some point early get you all to do some paperwork which amongst will be a section which effectively allows this provider to claim SFA funding. All providers forms use to be different but generally they follow the same lines a college application would when applying for a course under the then concessions scheme.

        I don’t need to tell you superted but i will say it anyway, don’t do the paperwork as i highly doubt you at that point have even been assessed as i said earlier be it DWP or provider.

        This scheme which could have been good is rotten to the core by half hearted attempts to make you employable based on the assumption you are not (remember your unlikely to have been pre tested).
        The qualifications they offer are of a low grade which if your old enough to remember are the equivalent of a o,level that’s worthless now as a grade. The sector based learning choices they offer are bottom tier of the labour market and their advice on job search,CVs and interviews is unimpressive to say the least.

        If they tell you to leave or state you can go then, remain in seat and state you are unable to as DWP said you must attend. State they could write you a letter stating they said you could go and why so you could take it to DWP straight away.

        At the end of the day even though DWP will have first broken the rules on how this scheme should be administered, this provider wont get paid if you don’t legally consent to them applying for SFA funding on your behalf.

        DWP, provider or anyone CANNOT mandate through force,threat or deception a person to give consent where consent is required under law and that if obtained through such would make that consent non legally binding. As such no individual or even government can claim this forms any part of their legal term of claimant participation.

        doug

        April 27, 2016 at 8:02 am

      • Sorry superted,swap this paragraph with the previous one as i meant to say employed.

        Now i have found around the country,time and time again where that just isnt happening and do remember currently, adult learning figures are at an all time LOW, not to mention being on the scheme statistically gets you seen as employed.

        doug

        April 27, 2016 at 8:05 am

      • enigma

        just saw you message after one below, sorry.

        Ring Stratford and state that you are registering a appeal via a Mandatory Reconsideration, ask for the code for the DWP form if you like – ordinary written paper is sufficient [I don’t think/know of any such form existing], and you want the DM to ring you to explain why it is being considered/granted.

        You might want to ask WHERE the DM is based who granted te Sanction – if it where you sign on that is a big No No I understand.

        The DM must Explain clearly why he believes the sanction should stand. Simply stating agree with Work Roach is not enough.

        For a Mandatory Reconsideration, simply title whatever you are writing with that in bold at the top.
        Explain why the sanction is wrong including any written evidence yo might have.

        If you Drop into your DWP office there is normally a desk near the entrance where someone will scan the papers and forward to the DM office/in my case Stratford.

        Make sure you get a copy of the receipt when it is sent off. No receipt, do not move/leave until said person [or the front office staff if they get difficult and won’t allow you to see the person doing the scanning] produces a letter to state that it was sent with the date and time on it. If some says it will take a while – get suspicious – its a important document and dig you heels in up to and including stating you arn’t leaving until you get it and you want to see the manager as its impossible such a simple document cannot be produced in a minute or so as the information is in front of the adviser.

        If they threaten to call the police tell them to do so – you are legally entitled to a receipt – to deny it is abuse of power and coverup [withholding official documentation with no explanation].

        Apologies all for the length but this will be useful to all to know.

        Gazza

        April 27, 2016 at 8:37 am

      • Oh,

        anyone doing a appeal – record record record, EVERYONE involved.

        I got some juicy stuff about DWP that way.

        It also will stop dead at the right time any claims you never did what you needed to do and if yo catch them lying… would they do that?… you’ve got them on criminal charges, straight to High Court.

        Gazza

        April 27, 2016 at 8:46 am

      • Maybe its different at every JCP but DWP dont as a rule give out receipts or acknowledgements, well unless its of course its them doing the telling if you know what i mean.

        Your find and it doesn’t always work but you could put co signature arrangements on your letter for appeal, turn up with 2 copies and you both sign each. State this way if a duplicate printed copy (so a third or plus copies) comes into question that they at the office will have a legally binding original hardcopy that they can place in your file. The point is, you walk away with a signature.

        Although i cant guarantee this will always work, its certainly less assuming and imposing than getting the police involved, or at least in the first instance anyway.

        doug

        April 27, 2016 at 8:58 am

      • enigma/Doug

        Sorry I wasn’t clear – getting the police involved is the last resort. I was only suggesting it due to the fact if DWP is up to no good, they will just deny that the documents were received in a timely manner which leads to them getting what they want – Sanction imposed.

        What I describe above – desk near entrance is what happened to me, and I was given a receipt which is printed off once the documents are sent.

        ‘enigma’, it might be useful to you to ring Stratford/whatever Operational Callcentres [don’t know how many around UK] you need to ask them does that facility exist in All office [Relative used to work in DWP and states Yes it does], and if available in yours.

        Gazza

        April 27, 2016 at 9:24 am

      • Not sure if a claimant has ever gone down this root but technically,when you ring up, the person at the other end must enter your details into a computer so they know you as you and advise according. Now you cant make a single move on a PC without it being logged,even who the operator is. This means if DWP did indeed refuse to offer proof of receipt that this electronic register would act as legally binding evidence in a court of law.

        doug

        April 27, 2016 at 9:35 am

      • as ever a complete waste of time and empty threats of a sanction for not giving them access to my ujm account to change my cv.

        then on to more waste of time courses and point blank refused and said i will not sign anything anyway so you will not get paid for seeing me and out the door i went.

        round 50 i win again 😉

        superted

        April 27, 2016 at 9:57 am

  20. Do you think the cops are there to protect you from criminals?
    Do you think judges are there to give you justice?
    Do you think lawyers are there to protect your freedoms?
    Do you think legal aid is paid to poor litigants?
    Do you think bailiff’s act honestly when evicting homeowners?
    Do you think social workers are there to protect your children?
    Do you think politicians are there to ensure your welfare? YES 😀
    Do you think local authority chiefs are there to provide you with services? YES 😀
    Do you think psychiatrists are there to guard your mental health? YES 😀
    Do you think the banks are there to make YOU prosperous? YES 😀
    Do you think the media are there to enlighten us? YES 😀
    Do you think teachers are there to educate ? YES 😀
    Do you think the armed forces are there to protect your security? YES 😀
    Do you think regulators are there to ensure all of the above stay in line? YES 😀

    Dumbo

    April 25, 2016 at 9:49 pm

  21. Do you think the cops are there to protect you from criminals? YES 😀
    Do you think judges are there to give you justice? YES 😀
    Do you think lawyers are there to protect your freedoms? YES 😀
    Do you think legal aid is paid to poor litigants? YES 😀
    Do you think bailiffs act honestly when evicting homeowners? YES 😀
    Do you think social workers are there to protect your children? YES 😀
    Do you think politicians are there to ensure your welfare? YES 😀
    Do you think local authority chiefs are there to provide you with services? YES 😀
    Do you think psychiatrists are there to guard your mental health? YES 😀
    Do you think the banks are there to make YOU prosperous? YES 😀
    Do you think the media are there to enlighten us? YES 😀
    Do you think teachers are there to educate ? YES 😀
    Do you think the armed forces are there to protect your security? YES 😀
    Do you think regulators are there to ensure all of the above stay in line? YES 😀

    Dumbo

    April 25, 2016 at 9:52 pm

  22. Young Man Has Benefits Sanctioned ‘For Being Unshaven’ – Twitter Responds.

    http://www.welfareweekly.com/young-man-has-benefits-sanctioned-for-being-unshaven-twitter-responds/

    enigma

    April 26, 2016 at 2:24 pm

    • I hope his appealing this heinous sanction as benefits have absolutely nothing to do with how one lives or where. Its a slam dunk case for discrimination.

      doug

      April 27, 2016 at 8:31 am

  23. Welfare Reform ‘Still Causing Misery For Thousands Of Sick And Disabled People’
    Tens of thousands of sick and disabled people are struggling to cope with changes to disability benefits, say Citizens Advice.

    Well it’s obvious isn’t it. to millions.

    http://www.welfareweekly.com/welfare-reform-still-causing-misery-for-thousands-of-sick-and-disabled-people/

    enigma

    April 26, 2016 at 2:27 pm

  24. OT: The Effects of Sanctions on the Unemployed [apologies to Liverpoodiums – I think it Apt to paraphrase this quote]

    Hillsburgh Verdict:
    “The families were then subjected to lies by senior officers covering up their role, vile abuse in parts of the media, and a campaign to blame supporters”, a statement said.

    Sanctions:
    “The claimants and families were then subjected to lies by senior officers [civil servants & Ministers] covering up their role, vile abuse in parts of the media [Tory Press most virilant], and a campaign to blame the victims”.

    Gazza

    April 26, 2016 at 4:51 pm

  25. OT : Tax Credits/UC Debt can build up on Transfer

    https://sentinelnewsblog.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/revealed-how-universal-credit-could-land-households-with-freshly-made-debt/

    By Chaminda Jayanetti

    People switching from tax credits to Universal Credit could be hit with new debts due to the move, the Department for Work and Pensions has admitted.

    “The move to Universal Credit could create a tax credit overpayment which the claimant will have to pay back as well as any other tax credit overpayments they may have.”

    In other words, HMRC will not be told to stop paying tax credits until after the DWP has already begun paying Universal Credit.

    As the two benefits are not supposed to be paid to a claimant at the same time – with Universal Credit replacing tax credits – this means the claimant will end up with a tax credit overpayment which has to be repaid.

    However, because tax credit payments often fluctuate during the year, the claimant – who is likely to be on a low income – may not realise they have been overpaid, and might have spent that money in the meantime on living costs and childcare.

    WARNING TO ANYONE SWITCHING:
    a] ring DWP continuely [weekly] to find out when switch happens and establish it has taken place
    b] do a Standard Access Request for your information, to establish DWP HAS told HMRC
    c] if DWP has not do so yourself
    d] Track via your personal mobile phones Calender to alert/remind yourself to what must be done at each stage

    Gazza

    April 26, 2016 at 7:22 pm

  26. Have you already read it Doug!

    The Great Frontier: Unleashing a new wave of growth and trust in the digital economy with a new EU Data Protection Regulation.

    The Government is preparing for implementation of the EU Regulation .

    Progress has been made on a renewed ‘Safe Harbour’ agreement with the new EU-US Privacy Shield. It is very important to have a stable agreement in place to ensure trusted data flows to the US. The Commission and US are meeting today to discuss adjustments.

    The Government is developing a new Digital Strategy. This includes measures to further support the adoptions of new technologies across the economy. It will also cover how data can empower citizens and consumers.

    I am looking forward to hearing what our speakers from the Information Commissioner’s Office, and the European Commission say about the detail of these two developments.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/the-great-frontier-unleashing-a-new-wave-of-growth-and-trust-in-the-digital-economy

    enigma

    April 26, 2016 at 8:14 pm

    • The voluntary safe harbour agreement don’t you mean ?

      doug

      April 27, 2016 at 8:25 am

    • enigma

      the biggest problem with the current safe harbour is it isn’t safe.

      UK/US are most unhappy at the EU saying beef it up rather than gloss over the gaping holes in it.

      This is going to get interesting

      Gazza

      April 27, 2016 at 8:39 am

  27. enigma

    April 26, 2016 at 8:18 pm

    • I thought we were overdue a Universal Chaos roll out announcement, – it’s been nearly a fortnight since the last one. It must ‘be available’ in most of the known universe by now. 🙂

      Another Fine Recession

      April 26, 2016 at 8:53 pm

  28. Welfare groups say job seekers are being demonised in budget lead-up – Australia

    Leading welfare groups have attacked the Turnbull government and sections of the media for a spate of stories “unfairly misrepresenting” unemployment benefits data to “vilify” and “demonise” the 800,000 Australians who cannot find a job.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/apr/27/welfare-groups-say-job-seekers-are-being-demonised-in-budget-lead-up

    enigma

    April 26, 2016 at 8:55 pm

  29. Housing Benefit is now paid straight to the claimant under Universal Credit. Landlords are not pleased & are not taking any one on Universal Credit.

    Universal Credit makes you homeless, jobless, stint.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    April 26, 2016 at 9:50 pm

  30. It was the fans wot done it: Read all about it in your super soar-away Scum!

    Hillsborough ‘justice’ hailed, but not on Sun’s front page

    The Scum

    April 27, 2016 at 7:27 am

    • From the Metro: “The cover-up strategy led to the Sun’s notorious story – headlined The Truth – which wrongly claimed fans stole from the dead and urinated on corpses”.

      And to this day not ONE SINGLE COPY of that filthy rag has been sold in Liverpool!

      The Liverbirds

      April 27, 2016 at 8:08 am

    • er

      Could the Sun Reporters/Editors of the time, not also be facing a charge of Conspiracy to pervert the course of justice for their actions?

      Gazza

      April 27, 2016 at 8:42 am

  31. REMEMBER the video i gave you the other day, remember what the central theme was ?

    http://www.welfareweekly.com/welfare-cap-a-perverse-incentive-to-fiddle-jobless-numbers-say-labour/

    See how math can be manipulated easily.

    doug

    April 27, 2016 at 8:28 am

    • I remember Gaia posting that video a while ago, an interesting one.

      enigma

      April 27, 2016 at 10:33 am

      • I’m pretty sure it was Gaia!

        enigma

        April 27, 2016 at 10:45 am

      • Its to hard to fact check this site because wordpress doesn’t have an effective index system but i believe your right Enigma.

        I remember coming here a long while back now knowing nothing, just another victim but through reading and listening and learning from the likes of gaia,obi wan,Mr Coates and co im now giving the same advice so i thank them greatly and why i always no matter where im in this country, advise others to visit this very website.

        Im now a better person, better informed and i thank all here for that even now as one person can only do so much in such a large war.

        doug

        April 27, 2016 at 1:17 pm

  32. How media sensationalize benefit fraud (further evidence of math manipulation)

    http://www.westbriton.co.uk/32K-wrongly-received-fraudster-got-student-income/story-29180801-detail/story.html

    Now we have all seen or read one article on a person being convicted of benefit fraud but seldom do the facts tantamount the deserving title. In the case of this article, its clearly printed that this fraud was carried out between 2009 to 2014 meaning 5 years. Well 5 years means this person was actually regardless of total or reason,acquiring benefit of around £6’400 per annum.

    NOW, WHY OH WHY DO PAPERS IF NOT TO SENSATIONALIZE AND ARTICLE, not put fraudster illegally claimed £6’400 a year ?

    HMRC states a serious tax evasion as over £50’000 or an obtainable conviction and anything below that as small time offenders. Now consider HMRC boast their on top of this, one can safely assume its now a case of per annum. I say this as how would the HMRC justify a person committing successive yearly evasion and they do nothing about it meaning if they did then they to a point are joint capable for said final figure.

    This means of course allows us to commit to a comparison which would be shy of 11 times that perpetrated by in this case this benefit fraudster. This also means as a mental image if strung out over the same period would imply news articles of man convicted of £250’000 tax evasion.

    NOW wouldn’t that be a better story for media who hound benefit fraudster, a story that needs no sensationalism ?

    doug

    April 27, 2016 at 9:29 am

  33. Northampton claimants ask if PIP assessment started in the car park?

    http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/northampton-claimants-ask-if-pip-assessment-started-in-the-car-park-1-7351704

    I will let the article speak for itself.

    doug

    April 27, 2016 at 9:36 am

    • “Jason Fraser, 41, of The Mounts, scored a zero on his recent PIP assessment, despite having bipolar disorder and manic depression since 1997.” So, he has been claiming disability benefits for the past 19 years since he was 22 and no doubt was on unemployment benefits since he left school at 16. Just can’t kick the disability benefits habit 😉

      Skep Tic

      April 27, 2016 at 11:09 am

      • Sorry, don’t quite follow your point skep tic ?

        doug

        April 27, 2016 at 1:20 pm

    • Here is what the decision maker quoted on my Mandatory reconsideration letter

      “Much of the Healthcare Professional’s (HCP) advice is created from less obvious methods than formal questioning. The assessment starts from when you enter the examination centre. The information is gathered from general discussion, which you may not realise is part of the assessment. Active listening, case history, informal observation and direct questions are also taken into consideration.”

      As I required a recording of the assessment it would seem any part made prior to the start of the recording may be in breach of my civil rights.

      Is the DWP really stating that it uses audio and visual (CCTV footage) to listen in and record clients personal conversations in the waiting area as part of a WCA assessment? This would be a violation of civil liberties and the data protection act. No consent at any time was given for the collection of information for this purpose nor do the DWP state that the CCTV camera may be used for this nor do they seek the required consent needed by law.

      As they are using the above to support their decision then surely you can request in writing a more detailed description of what evidence was created, What general discussions took place beyond the WCA itself and in what medium was this evidence recorded, Who engaged in active listening and observation apart from the HCP, what is their professional status and in what medium was this evidence recorded and submitted?

      growls

      April 28, 2016 at 4:08 pm

      • It starts as soon as you are within observation distance or can be picked up on CCTV; they want to catch you acting ‘out of character’. Jobcentre staff also observe their customers from the office windows. YOU ARE ALWAYS UNDER OBSERVATION!

        Panopticon

        April 28, 2016 at 7:09 pm

      • Also it doesn’t END until you are out of observation distance or leave CCTV coverage. Also, be careful of staff following you on foot or by car as you leave. You would be crazy to throw your walking stick away or get our of your wheelchair and walk as you were leaving their offices!

        Panopticon

        April 28, 2016 at 7:12 pm

      • And you should know by now that your interaction with the ‘receptionist’ is part of the assessment – smile at the ‘receptionist’ at bang goes your claim for depression. You are also under observation as you wait. Someone in the back will be observing you on CTTV as well as the staff out front.

        Panopticon

        April 28, 2016 at 7:18 pm

      • ** smile at the ‘receptionist’ and bang goes your claim for depression.

        Panopticon

        April 28, 2016 at 7:18 pm

      • And if you bring someone with you they will be listening to your conversation.

        Panopticon

        April 28, 2016 at 7:20 pm

  34. Gazza & Doug, thanks for the info regarding appealing etc,

    I have been recording for a while now!,

    enigma

    April 27, 2016 at 10:22 am

  35. The first comprehensive study into destitution in the UK has revealed that 1.25 million people, including over 300,000 children, are destitute, the independent Joseph Rowntree Foundation announced today.

    Destitution is the most severe form of poverty in the UK and means someone can’t afford the basic essentials they need to eat, keep clean and stay warm and dry.

    The total number of destitute people in the UK, including UK citizens, is not currently measured by the Government. The report was commissioned by JRF in response to perceptions that extreme poverty had risen in recent years. It has been conducted by experts at Heriot-Watt University with advice from a wide range of experts and service providers across the UK, and has taken two years to complete.

    https://www.jrf.org.uk/press/destitute-uk

    enigma

    April 27, 2016 at 10:43 am

  36. 👿 👿 Come, it is time to keep your appointment with the Wicker Man 👿 👿

    The Wicker Man

    April 27, 2016 at 10:50 am

  37. The Wicker Man

    April 27, 2016 at 10:57 am


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