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Workfare Abandoned: Even the Cats and Mice of Ipswich Jump for Joy!

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Even the cats and mice of Ipswich are jumping for joy!

In a major victory for campaigners, two of the main workfare programmes are to be abandoned the DWP has quietly announced today.  Private sector contracts to run Community Work Placements and Mandatory Work Activity will not be renewed says the department in their response to George Osborne’s spending review.

Reports the Void – amongst jubilation from the masses.

“The Spending Review and Autumn Statement delivers on the government’s priority to provide security to working people at every stage of their lives. It sets out a 4 year plan to fix the public finances, return the country to surplus and run a healthy economy that starts to pay down the debt. By ensuring Britain’s long term economic security, the government is able to spend £4 trillion on its priorities over the next 4 years.

 

For the Department for Work and Pensions this means:

  • continued roll-out of Universal Credit, extending job search conditionality to a further 1.3 million claimants per year by 2020-21
  • a real terms increase in funding to help those with disabilities and health conditions return to, and remain in, work
  • a new Work and Health Programme replacing the Work Programme and Work Choice which will provide specialist support for the long-term unemployed and claimants with health conditions and disabilities
  • investment to enable DWP to become a smaller, more efficient department spending 22% less on administration in real terms, 34% less in real terms on technology and occupying 20% less estate.

DWP

But our friends point out:

This is not the complete end of workfare, with some claimants still facing forced work on the Work Programme, at least for now.  The ever growing number of  unpaid work experience schemes such as Traineeships – which are officially voluntary but often coerced in practice – are also not likely to be abandoned yet.  And of course we may yet see mandatory unpaid work return under another name, whilst this news doesn’t help those currently serving workfare sentences or those who may be referred before the schemes are wound down.

And,

Ominously the DWP are also announcing a new Work and Health Programme aimed at the long term unemployed along with sick and disabled people.  The fight is far from over, but the scrapping of the two key workfare programmes shows the power of collective action to frustrate and even destroy the Government’s mass workfare ambitions.

Indications from our own experience may indicate that this will mean schemes that are “in house” from the DWP.

The chancers or “providers” (companies offering the present programmes) milking the present system for their own profit may become the victims of ….cuts.

 

 

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Written by Andrew Coates

November 25, 2015 at 4:30 pm

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  1. Reblogged this on perfectlyfadeddelusions.

    The Porcelain Doll

    November 25, 2015 at 4:31 pm

  2. I have one small light for those who might be effected if it leads to some “positive” results like if they stop wasting money by spending people of schemes and courses as soon as they start a claim when statistics say the person has a real chance of getting employment in a high proportions of claimants periods of Unemployment are likely to be under 1,3 or 6 Months in decreasing proportions – the remaining “rump” are usually people with complex personal issues or family lives or who have a long term health condition – just shy of being regarded as a “Disability”.

    If they decent to leave people alone for a while after making a new claim again like was always the way – they will save a lot of money through the simple application of statical based common sense.

    Naturally a lot of toxic nonsenses still needs to be undone – like the rules that prevent another claim for ESA for the same condition; that make no medical sense at all.

    I would also like to see the idea of Housing Benefit being stopped on a Universal Credit sanction removed as it’s cruel and heartless and often the claimant isn’t even told.

    Also the way Hardship payments are a lone needs to go too – Also the idea of Higher level Sanctions and Sanctions for silly reason need to go – I have no issue with the old 1990’s sanctions where you fail to show up 3 times in a row they charge you some money – but no one deserved to so easily be able to get a mid-level sanction simply as they find themselves arguing about more than one thing with the DWP at the same time.

    For example at the moment it’s possible to get a 1st level Sanction of 4 weeks for fairly modest “Overpayment” and then another one if say someone misses an appointment or is late would mean they loose 3 months money (+an extra 2 weeks so I hear recently due to a complication of payment in arrears).

    I’m happy that the likes of Working Links and Seetec may suffer a hardship – since they like giving them to others – but you know darn well they will soon have their snouts in the trough regarding the new Work and health scheme.

    I suppose any poor person referred to that will be told by the DWP that handing over their medical data to a 3rd party is mandatory too.

    Sebastian Colt (@Red_Rescue)

    November 25, 2015 at 5:06 pm

    • Sebastian,

      DWP finally admitted stopping HB was wrong – a update was sent to all Councils earlier this year – enigma/search of previous postings here, will reveal its content and timing.

      IF councils are DWP/ councils are continuing to do this its out and out maladministration and should be treated as such.

      Bad news on the HB/UC front is that the level of HB to be paid locally is to be capped [seems aimed at single people, not sure if women with children are affected].

      Plus, added to all of the above is the New Conditionality Regulations kicking in on 06Apr16, and the influx of 1.3mil people to face that carbunckle.

      Long term this does not look good.

      Gazza

      November 25, 2015 at 5:31 pm

      • And why shouldn’t women with children be affected? Is there a particular reason? Are single people lesser human beings, some how less worthy and deserving than a roof over head than single women with children?

        Homeless

        November 25, 2015 at 6:13 pm

      • And why shouldn’t women with children be affected? Is there a particular reason? Are single people lesser human beings, some how less worthy and deserving of a roof over their head than single women with children?

        Homeless

        November 25, 2015 at 6:15 pm

      • enigma,

        actually the Actual Act at :

        http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/28/section/4

        Confirms what the PDF implies :
        – if no consent is given before 21 days report not sent
        – if no consent is given on or after 21 days report not sent

        Gazza

        November 25, 2015 at 10:13 pm

      • Thanks for that Gazza.

        enigma

        November 25, 2015 at 10:18 pm

      • enigma

        good memory – forgot about that.

        Gazza

        November 25, 2015 at 5:38 pm

      • However

        This factsheet provides only a general overview of the topic and should not be relied upon as definitive guidance. If you are an MPS member, and you are facing an ethical or legal dilemma, call and ask to speak to a medicolegal adviser, who will give you specific advice.MPS is not an insurance company. All the benefits of membership of MPS are discretionary as set out in the Memorandum and Articles of Association. The Medical Protection Society Limited. A company limited by guarantee. Registered in England No. 36142 at 33 Cavendish Square, London, W1G 0PS

        Thanks to Razor for pointing this out.

        enigma

        November 25, 2015 at 9:41 pm

    • The problem I foresee with this new “Work and health scheme” is the fact it will ultimately be voluntary.

      It’s the old problem of no one can be forced to…. [add you choice of poison here] …. if they do, the full weight of the law will be on thier back WHEN things go wrong.

      I am sure the ConCons are desperatly searching for a way out of that little problem – not possible as it will negate laws affecting everyone else and cause absolute chaos/collapse. I am sure they’re going to give it a good old Oxford/Bullingdon/Pig Fuc*&r try though.

      Gazza

      November 25, 2015 at 5:37 pm

  3. “The Chancellor also announced plans for a new ‘Work and Health Programme’, to replace the Work Programme and Work Choice. With very little details available, all we know for certain so far is that the new scheme will “provide specialist support for the long-term unemployed and claimants with health conditions and disabilities”.

    Universal Credit will continue to be rolled out across the country, “extending job search conditionality to a further 1.3 million claimants per year by 2020-21”. However, with only 141,000 people currently on the caseload it could take a lot longer to introduce than planned.”

    http://www.welfareweekly.com/osborne-scraps-tax-credit-cuts-but-its-not-all-it-seems/

    Andrew Coates

    November 25, 2015 at 5:42 pm

    • Here’s some info on work programme plus, which Gazza posted a while ago.

      Whilst DWP are keeping tight-lipped around the detail of the successor programme to the Work Programme until after November’s Comprehensive Spending Review, a few hints around design parameters are starting to emerge.

      http://www.fenews.co.uk/fe-news/jobseeker-classification-and-work-programme-plus

      enigma

      November 25, 2015 at 6:54 pm

    • ERSA welcomes JRF call for reform of Jobcentre Plus and extension of the Work Programme,

      19 November 2015

      http://ersa.org.uk/media/news/ersa-welcomes-jrf-call-reform-jobcentre-plus-and-extension-work-programme

      enigma

      November 25, 2015 at 8:56 pm

    • Work Programme and Work Choice to Merge, and Apprenticeship Levy Set.

      Work & Health Programme – DWP briefings on the new programme are expected to begin in December.

      There is no indication in the Spending Review as to whether or not any alternate contracted provision will be offered for claimants unemployed for less than 2 years. Where it has been agreed as part of a devolution deals, local areas will be involved in the co-design of employment support for harder-to-help claimants.

      This includes an extension of Access to Work to a further 25,000 disabled people, an expansion of Fit for Work, and £115m for the Joint Work & Health Unit, including £40m for a health and work innovation fund to pilot new ways to join up health and employment systems. A White Paper will be published in 2016 setting out further reforms to improve support for people with health conditions.

      New JSA claimants will be required to attend jobcentres on a weekly basis for the first three months of their claim.

      http://www.carleyconsult.com/news-centre/15/11/spending-review-work-programme-and-work-choice-merge-and-apprenticeship-levy-set

      enigma

      November 25, 2015 at 10:16 pm

      • The Work and Heath Programme is a pretty ill-thought up name to begin with.

        Are we going to get lectures on healthy life-styles and healthy eating as well as the usual stuff on CVs interviews and etc, and etc, and etc.

        Andrew Coates

        November 26, 2015 at 5:11 pm

      • I can see lectures coming too, it will be back to a class room for us all.

        enigma

        November 26, 2015 at 5:20 pm

    • Meanwhile as more and more employers sign up to so called work experience, one of these days not too far into to the future there won’t be any jobs/paid employment to apply for. it will be nothing but workfare.

      enigma

      November 25, 2015 at 11:10 pm

  4. It hasn’t been scrapped it is as far as I know going through a few changes. One change is people that have just finished a placement are being sent back within 8 weeks of leaving.

    • [Quote]
      It hasn’t been scrapped it is as far as I know going through a few changes. One change is people that have just finished a placement are being sent back within 8 weeks of leaving.[/quote]

      <- I think that might be against the rules at least as they apply to CWP as doesn't the guidance say someone completing the CWP should be marked on the claim dialogue as "CWP-Exit" and then NEVER re-refereed to it.

      MWA is a slightly darker area – I have heard some say that scheme is only supposed to be use once a year where as other say there is no set period and I have heard of people being re-referred to the same placement location even – within a couple of months.

      It does seem like some one needs t get a Judicial review into play into the whole idea of "Undermining paid employment" and such schemes as the evidence that they do just that is pretty overwhelming now.

      Sebastian Colt (@Red_Rescue)

      November 27, 2015 at 1:15 am

      • Yes, paid employment will soon come to an end, many people don’t yet realize this, they only need think about the bigger picture,

        Will the idea of having to apply for jobs ever stop, if it doesn’t it will just be harassment.

        enigma

        November 27, 2015 at 10:15 am

  5. OT: Tax Credits cuts by another Name

    People are catching on to the supposed “No” Tax Credit Changes:

    http://www.welfareweekly.com/osborne-scraps-tax-credit-cuts-but-its-not-all-it-seems/

    http://www.cpag.org.uk/content/autumn-statement-tax-credits-u-turn-stay-execution

    http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/22367

    So what will GidIdiot do now? Not even what 5 hours later and people are pointing to the fact nothing for the future has changed… no honeymoon period for you.

    Gazza

    November 25, 2015 at 6:56 pm

  6. ot

    https://www.chdauk.co.uk/

    had a letter for my medical from this place ,what company is it tho?

    superted

    November 25, 2015 at 10:56 pm

    • Maximus, look at the very bottom of the webpage.

      enigma

      November 25, 2015 at 11:12 pm

  7. should be fun then 😉

    superted

    November 25, 2015 at 11:15 pm

  8. knackered hospital worse than jcp lol ;(

    superted

    November 25, 2015 at 11:34 pm

    • superted,

      hope things are okay with you?

      you asked about a update on DWP/CWP? Here it is – the continuing adventures in DWP Land.

      it was at the same time interesting and adventurous. New Advisor, lets call him M. Aggressive and in your face – in my view the boot boy of the section.
      M: why did not use UJM, insisted I should use it. Then did not accept written evidence [this holds date applied, job title, email address of who applied to – Jobsite shows none of that until AFTER you have applied – I pointed these facts out but M did not accept this].
      M: Insisted I log in on one of DWPs machines to view site & print off.
      ME: I don’t have log in details (truthful who goes around with such details on them?).
      M: Right raising a doubt to DM.
      ME: Okay please detail exactly why evidence is not good & supply a written letter on what rules/regulation you’re raising a doubt on. [Never got that letter – strange that].
      Left waiting for 10 minutes. New person [lets call her D – have encountered before, also a nasty piece of work – remember recording business the new wing woman this was her] appears and demands the same. ME: Said nope. stated that information fufills my commiment. detailed email, date & title, pointing out again such details not available until after applied.
      D: insisted use DWP PC to login and print off.
      ME: Again stated did not have login details.
      ME: Okay please detail exactly why evidence is not good & supply a written letter on what rules/regulation you’re raising a doubt on. [Again Never got that in writing from her – strange that].
      D Left stated would send to DM (clearly not happy at what I was saying, wanted me to write down on a piece of paper something… we’ll get back to that). Meanwhile the section head from old section appears and new section have a powwow, in passing she smirked at me. I smiled back and smirk left her face. After 50 minutes more got called over by section head (Lets call her S – I do seem to go up in the world don’t I?) Same rignarole
      S: Why don’t use UJM?
      Me: don’t like it,
      D: Why don’t you email it in?
      Me: Nope.
      D: Why don’t you print it off?
      ME: And you’ll make that a direction will you?
      Silence
      ME: You’ll pay for printing at home?
      Silence
      S: acknowledged did not need to use UJM for applications. Then stated was raising a doubt for the reason of…. wait for it… wait for it… due to not stating in writing that I had not found any vacancies on days not applied for a job!
      ME: Please state this reason in writing as I have fufilled requirements.
      S: Nope, doing it verbally.
      ME: As a civil servant if requested to in writing…
      S: Oh if you insist (went and got paper to write on in a huff)
      ME, I insisted that she wrote down the specific reason why raising a doubt.
      S did not like me making sure she did.
      ME: Why not make it a order or a direction?
      S: No I am not Ordering you but Advising you that you should do that so this won’t happen again.
      D not looking happy at all by this time. Mentioned don’t use pad and sign old style. waved me away like some fly she wanted shot of.
      ME: So is someome going to talk to me about CWP?
      S: Nope. (Be on your way, or words to that effect, I really don’t think she liked me forcing her to write out that note and signing it – I put a time and date on as she forgot to do so…)
      Then
      D: Why you doing this your civil service! [we will get back to this most interesting point later… again]

      So in summary:
      Doubt raised as don’t believe applications proof can be made in writing [despite have all details necessary to verify applications].
      Ordered use of UJM
      Refused to check Job site to verify
      Doubt changed to ? No Idea – but that was the point (strongly suspect they wanted me to walk out or raise a ruccus, neither of which I did)
      Expected me to have Jobsite Login on me
      Use DWP PC to log into my own Personal Account
      Use DWP PC to print off from my own Personal Account
      unable to explain adequately in my view why doing what they were doing, and especially in writing
      Unable to issue Directions – print off, access account, produce other than written
      For all the above the test is: Is their behaviour reasonable?
      Now for the Biggie
      Dwas Civil Servant? (Yes, 24 years). Now how did she know? Why was it important, like the price of a pie? Why did she know?

      Obviously it was all a attempted stitchup to apply pressure, that’s why the old section head came down. as it was a briefing on me I think – I remember the smirk.

      Oh, and I thought DWP would talk to me about CWP. But I was sent on my way.

      I’ll call M on Monday to find out when I can expect the decision

      You take care superted

      Gazza

      November 26, 2015 at 11:58 am

      • OOOppppsss

        and it was JJ loop not Superted – My Bad.

        Gazza

        November 26, 2015 at 2:01 pm

      • i done the same tbh can mandate you to make a account but thats all they can do and cant force you to use it or give them permission to see ur account.

        id print off the foi request that also states they can not mandate you to use ujm only on a iad at the jcp.

        😉

        superted

        November 26, 2015 at 2:10 pm

    • Gazza:

      Sounds like you’ve got a right jobsworth there. As usual, when you ask them to put anything in writing, you get the silent treatment. Or they change the subject and start talking about something else. You should have recorded your interview with them and use it as evidence if you have to appeal. No doubt their version of events will differ wildly from what actually happened. They will try and portray you as threatening and aggressive.

      My former roach was the same she tried to pressure me endlessly into giving her my UJM login details. Needless to say, she was unsuccessful. They seem to be obsessed with getting claimants to create a UJM account and then giving them unfettered access.

      My current work coach is the opposite. He has never once asked me for my UJM login details. And he is more then satisfied with my job search evidence, which is like yours – in writing giving the who, what, when, etc. Do keep us up to date, thanks.

      jj joop

      November 26, 2015 at 4:53 pm

      • jj joop

        who said I didn’t record? as for the collusion – got it recorded that it was not acceptable at start, then that morophed into god knows what, after 50minutes of searching/ringing around office to find another reason then settle on…”Issuing a sanction Doubt due to not Stating on Particular Day no Jobs” – but unable to make it a Direction. So pure scare tactics.

        Relative is urging extreme caution as it is clear whole office (and maybe others) is hunting to get me a long long sanction

        Gazza

        November 26, 2015 at 6:44 pm

  9. The only hope now is to go all out for the return of a Labour government and the Jobs Guarantee Scheme.

    Rachel Reeves

    November 25, 2015 at 11:43 pm

    • Where’s the good news Tobanem!

      enigma

      November 26, 2015 at 11:59 am

      • I was referring to the words in the title of this page – “Jump for Joy”!

        Tobanem

        November 26, 2015 at 4:38 pm

  10. “The Autumn Statement will still clobber families when they move to Universal Credit in 2020 and be up to £3,000 worse off”

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/autumn-statement-victory-after-osborne-6902175#rlabs=7%20rt$category%20p$8

    ps Hopefully, I’ve returned to my usual colour!

    Tobanem

    November 26, 2015 at 11:09 am

  11. MASS EVICTIONS ON WAY FOR YOUNG PEOPLE

    According to “Speye Joe” (whose writing style is not the easiest to follow), young people are going to be in deep trouble shortly:

    “Speye Joe” says: “If you are hit by the bedroom tax AND you are under 35 AND you have no dependant children living with you then you have just been evicted”.

    Read for yourself:

    https://speye.wordpress.com/2015/11/25/bedroom-tax-single-people-mass-evictions-for-disability-csr2-closure-of-all-womens-refuges/

    Tobanem

    November 26, 2015 at 11:19 am

  12. 2016 = General Strike & Recession.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    November 26, 2015 at 12:21 pm

  13. The only way to stop the Tory killing without poll a tricks is by a General Strike. The last one was in 1926 so time for another one. That is how you get things done. The country has lost all confidence in it`s leader as not fit for purpose like all the contradiction policies. Is suicide a contradiction or a contradiction policy that the Nudge Unit now has a Suicide Nudge Unit in place. Called you lazy bastards.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    November 26, 2015 at 12:25 pm

  14. If the Companies contracted by G4S, Atos and others think they are now off the hook with regards to possible Legal action, they had better think again, I intend with the help of a friendly solicitor in Reading to pursue them through the Courts for breaking the Mental Capacity Act as well as numerous health and safety regulations and money is not a problem as she has agreed to do it Pro Bono, a certain paint workshop in Bracknell is in for one very rude awakening , watch this space. David Penson Bracknell

    David Anthony Penson

    November 26, 2015 at 2:25 pm

  15. Some good news.

    Iain Duncan Smith suffered a major defeat today when the High Court ruled the benefits cap should not apply to unpaid carers.

    The Court has ruled that family carers who receive Carer’s Allowance should be exempt from the benefit cap – which limits the amount of benefits a family can receive to £26,000 a year.

    Mr Justice Collins found that the decision not to exempt carers was “discrimination” and not lawful.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/iain-duncan-smith-suffers-court-6905551#ICID=sharebar_twitter

    enigma

    November 26, 2015 at 6:00 pm

    • It’s all falling down around him what’s going to happen?

      katrehman

      November 26, 2015 at 7:23 pm

      • Lets hope there will be many more court cases against his plans.

        Kat how are you doing.

        enigma

        November 26, 2015 at 7:27 pm

    • interestingly

      Laywers acting for the secretary of state had argued that unpaid carers should be treated as unemployed people who should have to make the same choices as anyone else about whether to work or cut their living costs. But Collins said those providing full-time care could not be in full-time work unless they gave up or cut back significantly on their caring responsibilities.

      http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/nov/26/iain-duncan-smith-unlawfully-dicriminated-against-the-disabled-rules-judge

      Whether to work.Have they a choice?.

      The tax credit U turn

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11925055/Ken-Clarke-tells-George-Osborne-to-get-his-tin-hat-on-and-cut-tax-credits-bill.html

      Osbourne became threatening with constitutional reform unless he got his own way,he didn’t.Whats happened now to the living wage talk? It has to be asked the word competence or did they think bully boy tactics would work and not a moment beyond.

      The worry is this party will turn its attention to the disabled once more and those susceptible to foul properganda to bear the brunt of future cuts and attacks.

      Universal Credit window signs are now appearing in jobcentres more widely claiming making work pay.People with barriers into work have to walk past these posters as if they can simply just find work and assuming its there at all.It can be questioned if these signs are more political to someone driving past to any real meaning to someone’s position still claiming Jobseekers Allowance.

      ken

      November 26, 2015 at 11:26 pm

      • Enigma I’m good thanks still slogging away I’m shocked at the housing benefit attack on single under 35s how low can you go???
        How’s the food Bank?

        katrehman

        November 27, 2015 at 1:59 pm

      • Yes, there is a lot of bad news, as you will see on this blog,

        This food bank is getting very busy, as will every other food bank, the JC is full of people going onto UC, a 42 day wait until their first payment so most if not all will be at the nearest food bank.

        enigma

        November 27, 2015 at 2:05 pm

      • Now I’m a senior at lunch time I see more records and figures. More of our children are on free school meals than ever before and we have an increase in breakfast club ( fsm children get this free too) almost as many children are also having the fruit and milk (free again for fsm). As a result more pupil premium being given to school.
        This is not good news for our children or their families. We still have our spare clothes bin. Where’s it going to end?

        katrehman

        November 27, 2015 at 9:35 pm

  16. I will be very interested to find out what the word from upon high will be that filters down to the Jobcentre Level on CWP – they obviously have targets (the ones that they pretend don’t exist) for referrals to a specific provider – if they meet those Targets is that it – no more referrals ?

    Or will they keep doing what they’ve been doing until well into 2016 or even 2017.

    What has me so puzzled is that if a scheme has been officially Cancelled (or in this case not renewed) and they have in anyway stated a reason “Officially” that the reason was that the scheme was un-successful or bad value for money or not suitable for purpose etc…. then if someone refuses to go and disputes a sanction and can use the governments own statements that the scheme is of no value – then how can the DWP possibly say the opposite at any point between now and the end of the Contract.

    Buy admitting the scheme isn’t being renewed then they are admitting it isn’t doing what they say it is when referring someone.

    I’m still going to be interested in what alterations or provisos they have made to “excuse” the referral of work programme returners to CWp who have already had their claim marked as Intensive activity – intervention regime or daily signing – They are being pretty coy about that part of the guidance.

    I did here in passing it was something they pushed through in the small print some weeks ago but I will be curious to see how that stands up to close examination as I expect it doesn’t.

    Sebastian Colt (@Red_Rescue)

    November 27, 2015 at 1:32 am

  17. .

    November 27, 2015 at 11:53 am

  18. OUT OF THE FRYING PAN INTO THE FIRE – THE NEW WORK AND HEALTH PROGRAMME

    Quote: “We’re concerned about any trend towards making unemployment look as if it is a symptom of mental illness rather than a symptom of the economy.

    “It does seem quite sinister that they’re shifting towards health interventions.”

    It also looks as though a number of Jobcentres will be “co-located” with local authorities [to save money by reforming and reducing the “estate” of the DWP by 20%]!

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tories-quietly-scrap-scheme-forced-6906383

    Not too many people will be “jumping for joy” after all!

    Tobanem

    November 27, 2015 at 12:13 pm

    • I remember a while ago there was news that housing and employment would become joined, – if you don’t work you will be evicted. so this new programme, expect it to be forced labour. as I said above more and more employers are signing up to what they call “work experience”.

      enigma

      November 27, 2015 at 12:30 pm

  19. NOT SO NEW

    Yes, now it’s the “new” Work and Health Programme. But do you remember the former Health and Work Service?

    Vox Political is on the ball on the “new” Work and Health Programme by recalling an earlier article from 2014 about the “new” Health and Work Service. You will remember the contract was awarded to Maximus to carry out health assessments on benefit claimants:

    http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2014/07/25/jobs-for-the-boys-and-a-possible-conflict-of-interest-in-new-government-contract/

    Tobanem

    November 27, 2015 at 12:33 pm

    • Further quote from Vox Political (on Health and Work):

      “On one hand, the Conservative Government is saying it is trying to get as many people off benefits and into work as possible, but on the other hand, the same Tories are saying once you get into work, you’d better not get sick, because you’ll be treated like a person on benefits!

      It’s another incremental erosion of the rights of UK citizens, reminiscent of the words of Adolf Hitler: “The best way to take control over a people and control them utterly is to take a little of their freedom at a time, to erode rights by a thousand tiny and almost imperceptible reductions. In this way, the people will not see those rights and freedoms being removed until past the point at which these changes cannot be reversed.”

      http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2015/11/27/are-the-tories-increasing-benefit-conditionality-to-include-working-people-on-sick-leave/

      Tobanem

      November 27, 2015 at 12:41 pm

      • Yes, the removal of freedom bit by bit just like the welfare state.

        enigma

        November 27, 2015 at 12:58 pm

      • This always makes me laugh because as I’ve posted before it was the unbelievable appalling conditions and stress I suffered IN MY LAST JOB that caused me to require 8 weeks sick leave. Said stress although long past has left me with even more debilitating migraine than ever before. Something else I thank work for

        katrehman

        November 28, 2015 at 10:09 am

    • Note, the “former” Health and Work Service is actually CURRENT! I meant it had already been introduced earlier on!

      Tobanem

      November 27, 2015 at 1:20 pm

      • Tobanem

        Here’s some more info of what could happen in the future.

        Councils want medical records to feed government ID scheme

        Government identity experts want to tap NHS medical records to tell if people are entitled to get benefits and use public services.

        Warwickshire County Council has been in talks with NHS England and other public bodies that hold data it needs for a local government trial of the government’s next generation ID scheme, with backing from the Cabinet Office, which has overseen development of the scheme and branded it “Verify”.

        The NHS plan is part of an effort to get the ID scheme adopted nationally, so all private companies use it to check people’s credentials, as well as public bodies. But the government needs to persuade private companies and public bodies not only to use it, but to participate in it as well, by helping create an “ecosystem” of databases that all share data about who’s who and who’s entitled to what.

        http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/public-sector/2015/11/councils-want-medical-records.html

        enigma

        November 27, 2015 at 1:37 pm

      • enigma

        November 27, 2015 at 1:45 pm

  20. Ipswich U A thur 26 1 15 pc 11 @ 6.20 pm

    David Anthony Penson
    November 26, 2015 at 2:25 pm
    If the Companies contracted by G4S, Atos and others think they are now off the hook with regards to possible Legal action, they had better think again, I intend with the help of a friendly solicitor in Reading to pursue them through the Courts for breaking the Mental Capacity Act as well as numerous health and safety regulations and money is not a problem as she has agreed to do it Pro Bono, a certain paint workshop in Bracknell is in for one very rude awakening , watch this space. David Penson Bracknell
    Reply

    F**k DWP!
    ATTN: URGENT – David Anthony Penson
    Ipswich U A thur 26 11 15 pc 11 @ 6.20 pm
    You lucky thing getting all this help. I have been EVERYWHERE to get help and can’t obtain any anywhere, let alone the luxury of remotely obtaining any legal support as it doesn’t exist in this neck of the woods!
    Your nice ‘friendly solicitor in Reading’ doesn’t feel like taking on a really bad legal case like mine do they? This is only a fraction of the DWP SCAM I have been subjected to over the years, corruption doesn’t come close, trust me (too complex to go into here)!
    Please could you expand on the ‘numerous health and safety regulations’ you mention. I have gone through absolute hell with Ingeus on the WP. They sanctioned me for 6 months+ for refusing to sign in (H&S sheets) on arrival. I have just been refused by the Upper Tribunal to appeal. My grounds of appeal against that decision are:
    “I AM NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED TO SIGN ANY DOCUMENTS ANY WORKFARE PROVIDERS EG THE WORK PROGRAMME PUT IN FRONT OF ME. DESPITE MY REFUSAL TO SIGN IN ON ATTENDANCE AT THE WORK PROGRAMME THIS DOES NOT PREVENT ME FROM ATTENDING ALL MY APPOINTMENTS ON TIME OR AFFECTING MY WILLING PARTICIPATION IN THE WORK PROGRAMME AT ALL TIMES.”
    A load of premeditated punishment on behalf of Ingeus to ensure they obtained their outcome payments. They DIDN’T obviously as they illegally sanctioned me instead!
    Anyone else got any experience of this. Have gone thru absolute hell by WP and JCP over this and virtually threatened with my life, treated worse than a serial killer, you have no idea!
    Any comments/feedback will be greatly appreciated please in order to support my only two routes available now to appeal:
    1. Set aside.
    2. JR (Judicial Review – useless, complete waste of space!
    Most solicitors won’t touch them with a barge pole – have more chance of hopping to Mars than winning one of them)!
    I have also just received a letter from DWP telling me they have now found a new date they never told me about prior to the First-tier Tribunal! DWP are as corrupt as hell and they only just inform me 13 months later AFTER my appeal was set aside! It states ‘keep this letter if your appeal decision has not yet been decided!!!!!! It was decided a week ago! You couldn’t make it up!
    Routes of challenged deadlines next week!
    Please share your similar experiences ASAP.

    Many thanks.

    F**K DWP!

    November 27, 2015 at 1:16 pm

    • F–K DWP!

      A number of things occur to me about this:

      a] what does the DM decison say? Specifically the Regulations allowing the Sanction (Such Provisions do not exist in Law which makes this unlawful) – write out here the section concerned in your reply.
      b] have you been to CAB? Your local Councillers/MP? Papers?
      c] have yo contacted your local law centre for someone to act on you Pro Bono or offer advice?
      d] if this was all done via verbal you must RIGHT away contact B & C above
      e] this falls under “Threats and Menaces” of the Fraud Act. Google it – its a serious offense.

      I would strongly recommend B

      Good Luck

      Gazza

      November 27, 2015 at 7:21 pm

  21. It’s going to be a lot more than lectures in classrooms on the neu Work & Health Programme, it will be aggressive coercion to take up useless and harmful therapies with sanctions, sanctions, sanctions. I can see sanctions and conditionality being applied to the Support Group of ESA too.

    GPs are already setting themselves up for this via private occupational health assessment companies, I know of four such practices in my county already. They will be happy to accept cash for implementing the shit storm of abuse to individuals that is coming our way.

    Lucy

    November 27, 2015 at 3:12 pm

  22. Work & Health Programme needs no medical – which also means you need no medical evidence – which means everybody can work.

    Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

    November 27, 2015 at 5:51 pm

    • Now Atos, Maximus the Health Care Professionals run your health & medical care not the NHS & GP`s.
      That is the part Atos & Maximus play in the Work & Health Programme .

      Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

      November 27, 2015 at 6:14 pm

      • So will Atos & Maximus be handing out Medication pills !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        November 27, 2015 at 6:15 pm

      • Thanks for letting us know here on IUA that Atos & Maximus will be running our lives!!

        There’s going to be trouble ahead.

        enigma

        November 27, 2015 at 7:20 pm

      • We are seeking to develop new partnerships for the delivery of services for disadvanted groups with multiple or complex barriers across the country.

        This will include people with learning disabilities, mental health issues, physical disabilities or long term ill health, as well as other vulnerable groups including ex offenders, young people not engaged in employment, education or training, parents who are out of work, over 50’s, people recovering from drug & alcohol misuse and other long term unemployed individuals.

        If you are a voluntary, community or commercial organisation – working with any of these groups – we would like to talk with you.

        We are currently seeking Expressions of Interest for DWP’s ‘Support to Help Reduce Worklessness Amongst Disadvantaged People’ programme.

        http://www.pluss.org.uk/want-partner-pluss

        enigma

        November 27, 2015 at 7:29 pm

      • The social model of disability is a reaction to the dominant medical model of disability which in itself is a functional analysis of the body as machine to be fixed in order to conform with normative values.[1] The social model of disability identifies systemic barriers, negative attitudes and exclusion by society (purposely or inadvertently) that mean society is the main contributory factor in disabling people. While physical, sensory, intellectual, or psychological variations may cause individual functional limitation or impairments, these do not have to lead to disability unless society fails to take account of and include people regardless of their individual differences. The origins of the approach can be traced to the 1960s; the specific term emerged from the United Kingdom in the 1980s.

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        November 27, 2015 at 8:08 pm

      • Disabled people to fit around abled bodied people. Cash cows & hard sell.

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        November 27, 2015 at 8:10 pm

      • The origins, Interesting info.

        enigma

        November 27, 2015 at 8:57 pm

      • Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        November 27, 2015 at 9:33 pm

      • In the United Kingdom, the Disability Discrimination Act defines disability using the medical model – disabled people are defined as people with certain conditions, or certain limitations on their ability to carry out “normal day-to-day activities.” But the requirement of employers and service providers to make “reasonable adjustments” to their policies or practices, or physical aspects of their premises, follows the social model.[

        Stepping Razor Sound Plate System

        November 27, 2015 at 9:35 pm

      • My previous employer, the HR’s title is “HR & Health and Safety Director” my employment ended because I couldn’t work in all departments, – anything & everything. but a reasonable adjustment would would have fixed that, of course there was no adjustment.

        Meanwhile I keep applying for different jobs in the same company, I will not stop!

        enigma

        November 28, 2015 at 10:20 am

  23. I don’t know what’s worse, workfare or sitting in a classroom listening to some whey-faced sack of crap chanting mantras such as: work is good for you, it’s easier to find work if you’re already in work, etc.

    jj joop

    November 27, 2015 at 7:52 pm

  24. im long term unemployable because of the dwp jcp sending me on fraud programmes that done nothing to help me find work at all ever, only to line there pockets with cash for there none effort as that’s my job?.

    cant do full time at collage but can be a slave for 30hrs a week so pimps can get tax payers fees.

    fkn joke ill shall sign nothing n shit my self 😉

    superted

    November 27, 2015 at 7:56 pm

    • I know what you mean superted, I have applied for hundreds of jobs in the past few months, still unemployed, but I know all those companies will take me on, but on workfare. they know what they can do.

      enigma

      November 27, 2015 at 8:48 pm

  25. The’ve done a lot of damage to peoples’ health Superted especially those that came through the work programme.

    The aim was (and probably still is) just to get rid of people by any means,there was clear evidence of personal experience and witness to others unwarranted vicious verbal attacks and gestures, this was turned to with even more aggressiveness also when sanctions could not be readily applied for example there was nothing wrong with someone’s jobsearch activity,broken windows were very common too as peoples frustration boiled over.Other staff as well as a certain security company turned a blind eye to this and acted as enforcers to this behaviour.

    That didnt work for everyone and after a period of time tactics changed to more subtle tactics which were then employed giving signing times that varied throughout a signing period.

    its made the situation a whole lot worse to someones employability prospects and likely lengthend and even as you say made people unemployable realistically because of health.

    ken

    November 27, 2015 at 8:43 pm

  26. i went to sign on with a broken arm in 2 places black and swollen and had to get there on the bus.

    only to find out my adviser was of sick fkn pmsl ;).

    superted

    November 27, 2015 at 9:45 pm

  27. Guilty before pleading innocent.

    Access to justice restricted beyond the ‘reasonable endurance of ordinary citizens’

    The chairman of the Bar Council, Alistair MacDonald QC, has urged the government to ensure that access to justice is not further restricted following the chancellor’s spending review.

    ‘Since LASPO was enacted, hundreds of thousands of people have been left without access to legal advice, often in serious cases involving custody of children, victims of domestic violence, and access to housing, education, health and welfare services,’ said the leading silk.

    http://www.solicitorsjournal.com/news/legal-profession/legal-aid/24729/access-justice-restricted-beyond-%E2%80%98reasonable-endurance-ordinar

    enigma

    November 28, 2015 at 10:41 am

  28. Workfare Abandoned:

    However you look at this it’s still a big kick in the balls to IDS, long may this continue.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    November 28, 2015 at 10:55 am

  29. I told you IDS, I’ve got you by the balls.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    November 28, 2015 at 11:01 am

  30. DWP’s new scaled down offices, due to Osbourne’s departmental cuts!

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    November 28, 2015 at 11:09 am

  31. Homelessness in London soars by 38%
    Government cuts grants as councils put thousands of families in B&Bs.

    “Homelessness in London has shot up 38 per cent amid multi-million-pound cuts to town hall grants for preventing rough sleeping, figures out today reveal.

    The House of Commons Library data shows the number of households accepted as homeless by all London boroughs rose from 12,720 in 2011/12 to 17,530 in 2014/15 — up 38 per cent. The rise is 12 per cent from the 2012/13 figure of 15,660.

    Meanwhile Whitehall has slashed the Homeless Prevention Grant given to London town halls by £5,171,000 since 2012.

    Outer London boroughs are hard-hit, with Barking and Dagenham’s grant down 31 per cent, Bromley 21 per cent, Greenwich 31 per cent and Haringey 21 per cent, all above-average cuts. Lewisham had a 27 per cent reduction.”

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/homelessness-in-london-soars-by-38-a3122646.html

    Andrew Coates

    November 28, 2015 at 11:59 am

    • As we all know, the the amount of homeless people will soar in every town and city, it will be a lot worse next year when those cuts start, and of course every year after with yet more cuts to come, in this town I see more and more homeless people as every day passes. just how bad will things have to get before something changes.

      enigma

      November 28, 2015 at 2:15 pm


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