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Iain Duncan Smith ‘threatens to quit’ if George Osborne raids universal credit.

Thanks enigma.

Iain Duncan Smith has reportedly threatened to quit as Work and Pensions Secretary if George Osborne takes funds from his flagship universal credit programme.

The Times reports that Mr Duncan Smith is “fiercely resisting” Treasury demands to cut universal credit.

After the House of Lords delayed tax credits reductions for three years, the Chancellor is now considering other areas so that he can press ahead with his planned welfare cuts in time for the Autumn budget which takes place in just under three weeks.

Mr Osborne reportedly estimates making changes to universal credit would save the treasury £2billion per year.

Currently under universal credit, a taper rate is applied which means universal credit allowance reduces as earnings from employment increase.

Currently, the taper rate is 65 per cent, meaning for every pound earned over the work allowance the claimant can keep 35 pence.

However Mr Osborne allegedly wants to increase the taper rate to 75 per cent, meaning the claimant will lose more money — which Mr Duncan Smith reportedly believes will lessen the incentive to work under the scheme.

Background (Guardian).

George Osborne is at loggerheads with the work and pensions secretary over proposals to cut spending on universal credit by more than £1bn a year. The chancellor is considering the move – which Iain Duncan Smith fears could drastically undermine the effectiveness of universal credit – as a means of partially funding his anticipated U-turn on tax credits.

The savings would be achieved by changing the taper rate that applies to the new benefit. Currently it is set at 65% – meaning that for every extra £1 claimants earn above a threshold, they lose 65p – but Osborne is looking at a proposal to increase this to 75%.

According to a source familiar with the dispute, the Osborne proposal could save the Treasury around £1.5bn a year, which would help fund the remedial measures being planned to alleviate the impact of the £4.4bn tax credit cuts.

More (Financial Times).

Meanwhile serious strains are re-emerging between Mr Duncan Smith and Mr Osborne, as the two try to find money to soften the impact of tax credit cuts on poor families.

Mr Duncan Smith is vehemently opposing any Treasury raid on his cherished Universal Credit policy and his allies are urging the chancellor to scale back his search for extra welfare savings in other areas.

Philippa Stroud, a former aide to Mr Duncan Smith and now a Tory peer, urged Mr Osborne to eat into his planned surplus for the end of the parliament to support those on low pay.

Baroness Stroud, chief executive of influential think-tank the Centre for Social Justice, said: “Why have a surplus if we can’t protect those on the lowest pay, doing the right thing by taking work?”

“The Chancellor can protect these workers and have a surplus by 2020. This government is set to achieve its historic aim to make sure work always pays more than welfare, we shouldn’t put that at risk.”

If Duncan Smith resigns…..there will be dancing in the streets, grog shops will run out of super-strength lager and white cider, supermarkets will sell out of crisps and baked beans, and the very dogs, cats and slugs with yell with joy.


Written by Andrew Coates

November 7, 2015 at 12:38 pm

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  1. Duncan Smith resigns – if only. Oh beauticious joy in gloryanna !

    jj joop

    November 7, 2015 at 12:44 pm

  2. He’s throwing his toys out of his pram, because his idea’s are not liked by most, because his idea’s are nothing but bad for most but him.

    It’s good news for millions.


    November 7, 2015 at 1:01 pm

  3. Universal Credit: Iain Duncan Smith resists Treasury cuts.

    An ally of Mr Duncan Smith has told the BBC he has not threatened to resign but that it was a “red line” for him. who’s that? “I don’t want to be known”, oh IC.



    November 7, 2015 at 2:22 pm

  4. ACAB

    November 7, 2015 at 4:16 pm

  5. Nope,

    George Nazi Smith will not quit, this leak is just a way of him shifting the Blame for this colossal fuck up onto someone else. Nothing more, nothing less.

    All I have to remember is him pumping his fists and looking “Gleeful” at the announcements of these plans – that tells you all you need to know.

    He knew the impact but cheered it on at the top of his voice, why has no one in the Media cornered him on that point – his department came up with this rubbish – even before the election, anyone remember the leak of the 06Apr16 regulations?


    November 7, 2015 at 4:42 pm

    • Gazza I posted a pdf on the previous blog, “consent” a very interesting one.


      November 7, 2015 at 5:03 pm

      • Hiya enigma

        Thanks for the link and Just had a gander and replied.

        Very Very interesting stuff. Still thinking on this as there might be other implications in other areas.


        November 7, 2015 at 6:20 pm

      • So everyone is on the same page.

        Concerning Medical reports – you the patient have total, and I mean total control.

        If you say no it cannot be used. That’s the end of it. Your data – your consent. IT IS THE LAW – no evasion is possible.

        This also means if something is produced that is not a Medical Report – what is it? If its not a medical report why is it being produced? this opens up a whole new can of worms regarding stuff being written about you the data subject. This is all being done on very dodgy grounds on its production and use. Mad.


        November 7, 2015 at 6:24 pm

      • I found the link to that PDF on kittysjones, it is renamed as “confidential” but it’s available to anyone, as seen on their website.

        The government’s Nudge Unit team is currently working with the Department for Work and Pensions and the Department of Health to trial social experiments aimed at finding ways of: “preventing people from falling out of the jobs market and going onto Employment and Support Allowance (ESA).”

        “These include GPs prescribing a work coach, and a health and work passport to collate employment and health information. These emerged from research with people on ESA, and are now being tested with local teams of Jobcentres, GPs and employers.”



        November 7, 2015 at 6:39 pm

      • enigma

        Your comment on Employers is on the mark – further CVs play a big part in people being rejected. If a person lists a great deal of experience they must have worked for an appropriate length of time to gain that experience – therefore is this really the type of person an employer wants to employ? Stacked up against a young naive person who will be cheaper that is.

        Mental Health
        This will also mean if DWP ‘suggest’ you have need of say training concerning your mental health, they’ll have to produce a medical report to show it – at that point you are free to squelch it if you so choose and ignore their ‘Suggestions’.


        November 7, 2015 at 6:41 pm

      • This also means that if employers can see that, in my case – I have rheumatoid arthritis. that’s that.


        November 7, 2015 at 6:51 pm

      • Future of Public Services conference 2015: Matt Hancock speech.


        The Behavioural Insights Team are currently working with the Department for Work and Pensions and the Department of Health. as stated above.



        November 7, 2015 at 8:16 pm

      • enigma

        They can experiment all the y like – on themselves. They will never get my permission to run their ‘snake-skin’ schemes on me or mine or anyone I know.


        November 7, 2015 at 9:54 pm

      • And I just figured out how to put a stop to this travesty.

        When this comes up – or is hinted at, put in a recorded delivery letter specifying that No report can be processed without your express written permission as per the “Access to Medical Reports Act (1988)”. If no such letter also to be delivered by recorded Delivery is not forthcoming from yourself the report must be destroyed, and a letter to yourself specifying that has happened be sent to yourself by recorded delivery.

        A] it stops any processing dead until you say otherwise within the 21 day period once produced
        B] makes sure “no one forgets” as its on file
        C] makes it clear by sending the letter such processing without your permission is unlawful and would lead to court action.
        D] They will have to produce a letter from yourself showing you gave permission and show its Kosher
        E] If they say its not a Medical Report instruction to cease processing still applies as why calling it a Medical Report shows something underhand going on, it is still about you the data subject.


        November 8, 2015 at 1:33 am

      • I have printed many copies of that PDF, for all those I know. yet more information that needs to be shared.


        November 8, 2015 at 1:12 pm

    • HMRC fails to answer hundreds of thousands of tax credit calls.

      Critics of HMRC’s performance say that if the failings are so evident now, the system will be overwhelmed next spring, when billions of pounds of cuts to tax credits, planned by the chancellor, George Osborne, come into force?.



      November 8, 2015 at 2:20 pm

  6. Working Links really do take the piss:

    “Work Experience

    General volunteer
    Working links

    Owl Sanctuary General Volunteer
    This was a work placement where my duties included operating power and hand tools, carrying out ground works to help prepare for disabled access area and carrying out general maintenance tasks.

    QS/Store 21, Brynmawr Retail Assistant
    My duties included providing front line customer service, stock replenishment, warehouse tasks, e.g. stock taking, working as part of a team, general housekeeping and any other tasks as required.

    Asda Stores Cleaner
    My duties included keeping the car park clean, emptying the bins, cleaning the trolly bays and using a ride-on car park machine, cleaning the in-store bakery, café and kitchen, using a scrubber/dryer and maintaining a good standard of cleanliness and keeping health and safety standards throughout the store.

    TC Contractors/Tesco Cleaner
    My duties involved cleaning the in-store bakery, chicken ovens and café, mopping up spillages and breakages, customer and staff toilets, cloakrooms, staff canteen and car park. Also warehouse, backyard and garage and occasionally dealing with customer queries in front of store during busy periods.

    Continental Teves Cleaner
    My duties involved sweeping and mopping floors, empting bins, stacking cardboard and pallets, using scrubber/dryers, cleaning the rest areas, toilets and shower rooms always adhering to health and safety procedures.

    N.I.C/Tesco Cleaner
    Responsible for cleaning the shop floor, staff and working areas, empting the bins and sweeping and mopping up spillages.”

    All as a Working Links ‘volunteer’!

    Working Links Stinks

    November 7, 2015 at 5:36 pm

    • Ah

      Manual back breaking work… George Prentious Smith Says “It’s all good for you – what’s not to like?” On subsistance money, having to walk to this place, be there against your will, not getting paid a wage [cannot even afford a lunch as on dole?] and expected to put in a full shift and be grateful for it.



      November 7, 2015 at 6:47 pm

  7. DWP sanctions are incompatible with Lord Bingham’s definition of the rule of law ~ Professor Michael Adler.




    November 7, 2015 at 8:40 pm

  8. DWP Staff Pocketed Almost Half Of A £90million Bureaucrat ‘Bonus Bonanza’ Paid Out By The Government Last Year



    November 7, 2015 at 8:44 pm

  9. I often wonder if “anyone” get paid to push trolleys around in Supermarkets these day or if all of them are on “Work Experience schemes”.

    I noticed that 30 week thing with “NEW” CWP – I still can’t find out though if NEW Community Work Programme is still covered by any / some of the Help 2 Work guidance ;especially the exit provisions that preclude someone who has been on MIR/Daily Signing or similar already doing it.

    I find it confusing as the existing period wasn’t supposed to run out until March 2016 – and yet now they seemed to have implement this process before then and extended it to people who under the old guidance are not eligible and made it 30 weeks instead of 26 (bit naughty that) – how on Earth anyone thinks Workfare doesn’t undermine paid employment when the likes of Working links are advertising “Placements” for things that obviously should be paid employment like a Supermarker Cleaner perplexes me.

    It seems like HMRC are being instructed to turn a blind eye to something that they previously would have come down very hard on ; I guess they can kid themselves that people are “Volunteering”.

    However if they remove the Daily signing aspect of CWP / H2W so so one has only a binary choice take a CWP referal or be sanctioned. then that isn’t really volunteering to do the CWP over the ‘choice’ of MIR or Daily Signing.

    Daily Signing is supposedly limited to 12 weeks and the funds for it come from the #Jobcentre so I suspect they are less keen to use that if it costs them money rather than Working links or Seetec etc.


    The comments about the Health conditions and medical reports are interesting in that regard to as so many people who will be placed on CWP or similar extended schemes will be on ESA they can argue that they have the right to have their medical conditions taken into consideration – yet they also have the right to not share their medical data too.

    I point of some curiosity.

  10. DWP staff received almost £140 million in bonuses over the last three years.

    Knowing what we do about the performance of the Department for Work and Pensions – and in anticipation of some further information soon to be released by This Blog – the following announcement by the DWP is in phenomenally bad taste:

    Over the last three years, the Department for Work and Pensions has handed out £139.9 million in bonuses to its staff – £124.37 million of which has gone to Senior Civil servants.

    In the year ending April 2015, the DWP paid out £42.1 million, slightly less than the year before when bonuses totalled £46.5 million.

    The DWP has insisted that bonuses are only paid to employees whose work is consistently good or outstanding.

    In response to that, the obvious question is: By whose standards?

    This is the government organisation that has hounded thousands – perhaps millions – of people off of state benefits which they deserved to have, leaving more than half of the people found ‘fit for work’ by late 2012 with no income at all.

    It is the organisation whose policies led to the deaths of at least two people – Michael O’Sullivan and Julia Kelly.

    It is also the organisation that managed to improve its claimants’ chances of survival by suspending part of its benefit assessment procedure.

    That’s right – This Blog has evidence suggesting that the number of people who died while claiming Employment and Support Allowance actually fell when repeat assessments were suspended in early 2014.

    What do you think that implies about the effect of work capability assessments in general?

    A full article will follow in a few hours.


    Andrew Coates

    November 8, 2015 at 3:39 pm

    • I and many others will look forward to the full article, nothing but greed while many people suffer.


      November 8, 2015 at 4:35 pm

    • “The DWP has insisted that bonuses are only paid to employees whose work is consistently good or outstanding” meanwhile billions of people don’t receive any kind of bonus for working hard or outstanding. but then they wouldn’t do would they, they are their slaves.


      November 8, 2015 at 5:05 pm

      • As is everyone else


        November 8, 2015 at 11:48 pm

    • Meanwhile

      Spending review: George Osborne ‘secures deals’ on 30% cuts.

      Four government departments have provisionally agreed to cut their spending by an average of 30% over the next four years, Chancellor George Osborne has announced.



      November 9, 2015 at 11:37 am

  11. I wonder if sometime in the next 18 months or so IDS gets ”promoted” to the House of Lords


    November 9, 2015 at 9:24 am

  12. Will He Resign ???????????


    November 9, 2015 at 9:26 am

  13. Tobanem

    November 9, 2015 at 10:41 am


    “Let us all remember that the woman responsible for cutting police budgets is Home Secretary Theresa May – whose husband is a major shareholder in G4S”.



    November 9, 2015 at 10:48 am

    • Beyond parody – that bunch of useless chancers in charge of making chip butties would make you worry enough.

      Andrew Coates

      November 9, 2015 at 5:03 pm

  15. enigma

    November 9, 2015 at 12:57 pm

    • enigma

      what I found interesting was the following:

      a] did not highlight you can have a friend/mackenzie friend as a witness – I wonder why

      b] “Recording of interviews – The claimant may ask to record the interview. Requests to do so must be
      accepted. The same principles apply in Scotland.” – Yet the dwp offices say you cannot…..


      November 9, 2015 at 2:11 pm

      • This is all is states regarding someone else while being interviewed. as for the recording of then this doc will come in handy!

        Other person present at the interview

        The LSCO should have regard to the needs of the claimant if they think they may not understand what is happening at the interview.

        This may include claimants who have a mental health condition or learning difficulty who are incapable of understanding the significance of questions put to them or their replies. These claimants may require the presence of an appropriate adult at the interview. Inform the appropriate adult that they are not expected to act simply as an observer.

        The role of the appropriate adult is to:

        • advise the person being interviewed.
        • observe whether the interview is being conducted properly and fairly.
        • facilitate communication with the person being interviewed.

        The definition of an appropriate adult is:

        • a relative, guardian or other person responsible for their care or custody.
        • someone who has experience of dealing with mentally disordered or mentally handicapped people who is not employed by the organisation.
        • failing either of the above, some other responsible adult aged eighteen or over who is not employed by the organisation.


        November 9, 2015 at 5:22 pm

      • Hiya

        I would just add for everyone’s else’s benefit the following legal points:

        a] questioning under these circumstances is not under caution – DWP has NO legal power to do that and bar a request for outside assistance up to and including legal representation – If it ever went to court about such insistance you’d win as the investigator & decision Maker do not have that power under law.

        b] acting on hearsay evidence is slander/if written defamation, if no evidence is forthcoming it is then that plus harrassment. “A Civil Servant must be able to explain their actions and decisions as they are acting under the authority of the department they work for.” Inform the investigating officer as the accussed you have the right to know what you are supposed to have done wrong and under what the basis they are carrying out their investigation. If it is a matter of concern which has led them to act, they must be able to articulate it in writing. If unable, then it is out and out a fishing exercise & Harrassment and should be treated as such.

        and be sure as always to record, record, record


        November 9, 2015 at 7:30 pm

  16. Universal Jobmatch links to this


    It shows the systems in place and their own ability to monitor this lax site.


    November 9, 2015 at 8:44 pm

  17. Think you are tough enough to survive the course and avoid a sanction?

    Ask your jobcentre work coach for an application form.

    CWP:Who Dares Wins

    November 9, 2015 at 9:41 pm

  18. London Zoo advertises for graduate to help run global project unpaid

    Candidate expected to monitor progress of major conservation plan full time in return for £5 a day for lunch and a Travelcard

    Tanya de Grunwald, the founder of the campaigning careers website Graduate Fog, which first highlighted the unpaid role, said there were concerns that charities are increasingly employing volunteers to carry out the same jobs as paid workers by taking advantage of a legal loophole in minimum wage law, which allows charities to claim their unpaid interns are “voluntary workers” and therefore not entitled to pay.



    November 9, 2015 at 9:44 pm

    • Yet another reason why those of us on JSA don’t receive a reply after having applied for a job.


      November 9, 2015 at 9:52 pm

  19. OT Have they ever given somebody a sanction for NOT getting a sanction


    November 10, 2015 at 10:59 am

  20. Poverty premium: why it costs so much more to be poor.

    The poorest UK households are locked out of the cheapest deals on energy and phone tariffs – but some councils are taking action.

    Being poor comes at a cost. The best bank accounts, borrowing rates and energy tariffs are all reserved for people who are in a position to shop around. And if you do not have a clean credit file or access to up-to-date technology you can expect to pay more for almost everything you buy.



    November 10, 2015 at 1:37 pm

  21. Pension Credit Pensioners on the right tariff can get a lot of money off their Electricity (Eon for example) this even applies to key or card meters I think it’s about £140-170.00 (approximately). smaller discounts can be gained by others I think this includes Income Support claimants and others and is usually about £12.00 rebate/voucher etc..

    As for interview under caution the problem for a claimant refusing one is they’d class it as failure to co-operate and immediately stop the persons benefit claim’s payments… that is especially bad for those on Universal Credit as it messes up their Housing Benefit and National Insurance payments as well.

    I suppose they might get away with it if they have a cast iron excuse and can prove any claim of fraud is bogus – but with the DWP it’s up to the claimant to prove their innocence to an effective extent to retain their payments not the way it should be legally which is they should have evidence to stop it.

    Their excuse for this is that they don’t want someone to build up a big debt if claiming inappropriately – and if it leads to someone becoming homeless then I guess that is just tough luck then.

    It likely doesn’t help that there seems to be plenty of evidence that Fraud investigators are often ignorant of the benefit rules they are using in their day to day job. I heard a recent example where someone got into trouble with benefits due to a property but they had a clear exception as a relative in receipt of a Pension & Pension Credit was living in the other place and this discounts it – but they still had weeks of hassle about it anyway while they fished for some technicality to remove their payments or fine them. even when they could point to the guidance that says they were right. They seemed to think the DWP had not even read their complaint letters and was only going on the fraud investigators claims and wasn’t listening to the claimant at all or even responding to them properly.

    I wasn’t especially surprised I hear Decision Makers are on targets for stopping 30-40 claims a day, as as is always the case with the DWP it’s not like anyone is ever held to account for a mistake the most the claimant might hope for is a little compensation afterwards.

    Sebastian Colt (@Red_Rescue)

    November 10, 2015 at 6:01 pm

  22. Iain Duncan Smith ‘threatens to quit’ if George Osborne raids universal credit.

    IDS will have no recourse but to quit because Universal Credit was entirely his baby from concept to roll out and beyond.

    This will make IDS’s failure complete – We the people say ‘Go on Ozzy – stick it to IDS’!

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    November 14, 2015 at 10:47 am

  23. Who will replace if he goes. Will UC be scrapped ?.


    November 14, 2015 at 11:05 am

    • I don’t know but whoever it is it has to better than that vicious twat.

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      November 14, 2015 at 11:14 am

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