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Community Work Placements: SEETEC , “Estate maintenance and local renovation, groundswork, horticulture, recycling as well as administration, customer service and sales, warehousing, distribution and cleaning services.”

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Faceless People Sent on Community Work Placements.

We posted on this subject some time back.

Recently there’s discussion on the comments about the CWP.

This is what they said to “providers” (chancers put to profit from the scheme) “Community Work Placements (CWP) is aimed at those claimants whose primary barrier to work is a lack of work experience or motivation, and who may have spent a great deal of time away from a structured work environment. CWP aims to equip jobseekers with a valuable period of experience in a work-based environment, enabling them to develop the disciplines and skills associated with sustained employment, as well as to move them into employment.”

Or they put it for us,

This is for claimants whose lack of work experience may be holding them back from finding a job. Their work coach may ask them to take part in a work placement that will also benefit the local community. The purpose is to give the claimant skills and experience within the work place.
The placements will be for up to six months for 30 hours a week. The claimant will also receive at least four hours’job searching support from their work coach each week to help turn the experience into full time employment.
Claimants who complete their three months of Daily Work Search Review/six months Community Work Placement and who still have not found work will be referred to the Mandatory Intervention Regime for the remainder of their claim.
Claimants who do not take part in the Help to Work scheme when asked to by their work coach could lose their benefits for a period of time


This lot are still at it and we’d be interested in finding more details.

“Seetec holds Community Work Placements contracts in five areas:

CPA 1: East of England: Beds & Herts; Cambridge and Suffolk; Essex; Norfolk
CPA 7: North West 2:  Greater Manchester Central, Greater Manchester East and West, Cheshire and Warrington
CPA 10: South East 2: Kent; Surrey and Sussex
CPA 12: South West 2: Gloucester, Wiltshire and Swindon; West of England
CPA 14: West Midlands 1:  Birmingham and Solihull; Black Country

This two year contract part of the government’s Help to Work scheme designed to reach out to the ‘hardest to help’ jobseekers to help them find employment and break the cycle of benefit dependency. Beneficiaries of this programme will undertake work placement opportunities of up to 30 hours a week lasting up to 26 weeks and will be further supported with up to ten hours of job search activity per week.

We are keen to identify opportunities for local projects or work placements which currently exist or could be created in order to improve the local community as well as the confidence and employability prospects of individuals who take part. Placements could be within group projects or in the form of single placements and must all be of community benefit.

We are interested in approaches from all organisations which feel may be able to offer project or placement opportunities. We have expert supervisors in place to manage and run projects but we are also happy to discuss existing projects which have supervisors already in place.

Of particular interest are opportunities which exist within Local councils and Housing Providers to increase numbers on existing projects or to create new projects of benefit to their residents and the local area they serve.

Examples of such projects include estate maintenance and local renovation, groundswork, horticulture, recycling as well as administration, customer service and sales, warehousing, distribution and cleaning services. The list of potential projects is almost endless.

If you are interested in working with Seetec to develop innovative and engaging ideas for the delivery of CWP please e-mail in the first instance to: bizdev@seetec.co.uk or call Peter Walkerley, Business Development and Partnership Manager on: 01702 201070 Ext. 8262.

Alternatively, if you would like to offer support in the form of venues, projects or placements please call Seetec on freephone: 0800 65 25 414.ӣ

Any information from people doing this work-for-nothing fraud?

This is of interest:

How CWP is sold to voluntary organisations!



Written by Andrew Coates

October 26, 2015 at 1:03 pm

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  1. The problem is lack of jobs.
    In the wonderful ‘flexible’ job market employers can simply keep posting their vacancy over and over until they get someone who has just left or lost that exact job. They don’t need to employ anyone with slavefare experience.

    Another Fine Mess

    October 26, 2015 at 2:00 pm

  2. How long before SEETEC open an employment agency using another name ?


    October 26, 2015 at 2:50 pm

    • They seem to have the absolutely same post on the Community Work Placements on their site as when we last did a story about this – well over a year ago.

      Doesn’t suggest they’re very successful

      Andrew Coates

      October 26, 2015 at 5:37 pm

      • Yes, they’ve really gone to town on the self-congratulatory high-praise haven’t they! They appear to be giving themselves a massive verbal blow job. What the Americans call an attaboy.

        It reads more like a fucking love-in.

        It would appear it’s not just the DWP who inhabit Narnia Wonderland.

        jj joop

        October 26, 2015 at 5:55 pm

  3. how long before seetec set up a ”private employment agency”


    October 26, 2015 at 2:51 pm

  4. Homeless Not Welcome at McDonalds

    Meanwhile, if you are homeless, or even if you have been out doing hard manual work all day and just look homeless because your clothes are dirty with all that hard work, McDonald’s will not serve you!!!

    Nor will McDonald’s allow a non-homeless person to buy food for a homeless person!!!

    I think I’ve heard this one before, but for those who do not know about it, here is the link to the story:



    October 26, 2015 at 5:21 pm

  5. OT: Tax Credits Losers According to IFS

    (h-t to Refuted)


    “national minimum wage for those aged 25 and over, which the Chancellor described as a new “National Living Wage” (NLW).

    If the NLW were to have no effect on GDP, employment or hours of work it would offset 27% of the drop in household incomes from the impact of net tax and benefit reforms. In fact, as the Office for Budget Responsibility stresses, the NLW is likely to depress GDP and employment, and the money for it has to come from somewhere so this can be taken as a “better case” scenario, at least in the short term.

    The new NLW offers such little compensation because the boost to gross wages is smaller than the announced fiscal tightening and almost one-third of the increase in gross wages goes to the Treasury in higher tax receipts and lower benefits and tax-credit entitlements.

    Among the 8.4 million working age households who are currently eligible for benefits or tax credits who do contain someone in paid work the average loss from the cuts to benefits and tax credits is £750 per year. Among this same group the average gain from the new NLW, is estimated at £200 per year (in a “better case” scenario). This suggests that those in paid work and eligible for benefits or tax credits are, on average, being compensated for 26% of their losses from changes to taxes, tax credits and benefits through the new NLW.

    The average losses from tax and benefit changes in deciles 2, 3 and 4 of the household income distribution are £1,340, £980 and £690 per year, respectively. These same groups are estimated to gain £90, £120 and £160 from the new NLW (again on a “better case” scenario). This suggests that a “better case” estimate of the compensation these groups are receiving is 7%, 13% and 24% respectively, on average.

    There may be strong arguments for introducing the new NLW, but it should not be considered a direct substitute for benefits and tax credits aimed at lower income households.”

    – I was wrong to say NLW was not legislated its rebranding Nat.Mim.Wage [a bit like the rubbish about apprenticeships being a Brand perhaps?]
    – This will effect 8mil people not the 3mil being touted about.
    – NLW will only compensate for 26% of losses, rest gone to Tax office
    – The announced cuts costs to the claimant are clearly understated [how much is anyones guess but I’d say double the figures being touted around, this lot don’t do things by halves do they?]
    – No one is putting out figure for cost of living increases & impacts [i wonder why?]

    Another fine mess by GidIdiot the Wankie Worm


    October 26, 2015 at 5:39 pm

  6. Mr Coates:

    This FOI request – CWP go live date for Anglia Region – is currently going through. It may be of interest to you. There is no pimp activity in the Ely area at the moment, as far as I know. It’s all genuine volunteering for now. I haven’t heard anything yet about claimants whose Work Programme Completer Interview (WPCI) was undertaken before 28 April 2014 being referred to CWP like they have been in the rest of the country.

    If it were the case, I would almost certainly be on it. My previous coachy being a piece of work.


    The following link refers to WPCI claimants being referred to CWP. No mention of East of England.


    Will keep my ears open!

    jj joop

    October 26, 2015 at 5:45 pm

    • I’m aware that some claimants have been tricked into believing that volunteering is mandatory and if that they don’t do it then their claim for JSA may be affected.

      Example: a certain sheltered housing complex in Ely is having a new walkway put down and several JSA claimants who are “helping” have been told they have to do it by the Jobcentre.

      jj joop

      October 27, 2015 at 3:12 pm

  7. Malingering and Illness Deception Conference 2001

    Government and insurance industry conspire at 2001 Conference to reduce benefit eligibility:


    Is it any wonder there are so many “benefit” deaths and suicides?


    October 26, 2015 at 5:50 pm

  8. Slightly OT. JJ JOOP. And Others. Do you or anybody else remember the JOBCLUB in King’s Lynn. It was in 3 Places including a couple of offices in Queen Street and one in the WALKS area. Especially one of the original non Jobcentre ”Leaders”. JULIE WEBB> There was some sort of incident with record keeping etc. This was when MANPOWER-NACRO took over. Whatever it was and it is best not too speculate the Borough Council lost the contract. They also lost the RESTART COURSES too. This was then the start of the experimental Community Action Programme (Sub Contracted to Community Rural Aid). They were Sheffield Based. I do NOT think A4E had anything to do with this as this was 1988-1992 era. After whatever it was that did happen and nobody seems too know or if they do they are NOT talking Julie Webb moved out of the area. If anybody has any information I would like to know what happened too.

    Mister Middlesex

    October 27, 2015 at 10:37 am

    • Sorry, can’t help on that one. I was On the CP in Ely, which is in Cambridgeshire. The people we answered to, Manpower, were based in Cambridge.

      What you describe doesn’t really surprise me. Ely and Soham CP had more than its fair share of “incidents” and shenanigans.

      jj joop

      October 27, 2015 at 1:27 pm

      • Thanks JJ. I THINK it was something towards cutting and pasting if you could call it that – signatures on outcome forms and attendance registers. I can’t be sure but that was the rumour at the time. I know there was some sort of court case but it got hushed up. Even after 30 odd years things are still sketchy.

        Mister Middlesex

        October 27, 2015 at 2:14 pm

    • There was also an “Executive JobClub” for “professionals” 😀

      Job the Club

      October 27, 2015 at 1:38 pm

      • I have heard of that too. They used to get the magazines PROFESSIONAL AND EXECUTIVE RECRUITMENT and EXECUTIVE PRESS

        Mister Middlesex

        October 27, 2015 at 2:17 pm

    • JobClub was followed by the “Programme Centre” 😀

      Job the Club

      October 27, 2015 at 1:40 pm

    • It was Thatcher that brought in the dreaded Restart; initially it was a 6-monthly chat 😀

      Memory Lane

      October 27, 2015 at 1:45 pm

      • * “chat” 😀

        Memory Lane

        October 27, 2015 at 1:45 pm

      • “Programme Centres” were replaced by the “JobPlan Workshop” – week-long intensive “course”: “Give your job-hunting a lift” 😀 Unemployment Benefit office bods used to actually apologise before making a referral to “Job Plan Workshop” – those were the days 😀

        Memory Lane

        October 27, 2015 at 1:51 pm

      • YUP. were you in King’s Lynn area ?

        Mister Middlesex

        October 27, 2015 at 2:21 pm

      • There were one week courses in King’s Lynn. Team building in an old gym. Mats On Floors as imaginary islands and Pretend Shark Infested Waters etc etc etc. CV writing Visits to factories etc

        Mister Middlesex

        October 27, 2015 at 2:20 pm

      • I did Jobplan Workshop too. It was held at Ely Maltings. We actually had a free meal thrown in every day as well. Different times, eh.

        jj joop

        October 27, 2015 at 3:07 pm

      • Yeah, on JobPlan Workshop you popped round to the local cafe, ordered what you wanted and the JobPlan Workshop picked up the tab 😀 How times change.

        Time Machine

        October 27, 2015 at 4:10 pm

  9. What the fuck is the Mandatory Intervention Regime?

    ghost whistler

    October 27, 2015 at 11:10 am

    • Tough words to help/force ex-Waste Programmers into jobs that don’t exist.
      Like every other regime it will fail, but don’t worry there’ll be another one along in a minute.

      Another Fine Mess

      October 27, 2015 at 1:36 pm

      • Couldn’t have put it better myself.

        jj joop

        October 27, 2015 at 1:42 pm

    • ghost whistler:

      Mandatory Intervention Regime (MIR) is part of the Help to Work (HtW) package, which includes CWP. Check out this link.


      jj joop

      October 27, 2015 at 1:41 pm

  10. Here is (yet) another Data breach:



    October 27, 2015 at 2:20 pm

  11. The Scottish Parliament Welfare Reform Committee is told: “There’s a horrible fearful atmosphere in the [Work Programme] places”:



    October 27, 2015 at 2:37 pm

    • It appears to be Working Links and Ingeus are the fuckers who hold the ‘work programme’ contracts for the Glasgow area.


      October 27, 2015 at 4:30 pm

  12. In Reply To JJ JOOP AND TIME MACHINE> The Restart Courses. This was run for 1 week at the Halls Of Residence for The West Norfolk College In KIngs Lynn. Because it was run at the college. NUS rules stated that we HAD TO have an NUS MEMBERSHIP CARD. This was valid for two years and we were allowed to keep it after the course ended. This gave us access into the COMPUTER CENTRE – LIBRARY – REFECTORY & THE HALLS OF RESIDENCE where we could get a FREE MEAL at any time of the day at anytime. It also gave us FREE ADMISSION to museums and discounted Rail Travel. If I was in Cambridge or Peterborough I could also use the College and University Refectory there. I even managed to get into the Coffee Shop at the London School Of Economics with it. It also came very handy in getting discounts for students in some shops and pubs. Yes happy days indeed. BTW we got free meals at the Halls Of Residence. Happy Days Indeed. Where did yo park your Tardis

    Mister Middlesex

    October 28, 2015 at 9:31 am

    • Yes, tough times indeed 🙂 Jobseekers on the Mandatory Work Activity/Community Work Placement schemes have never had it so good 😀


      October 28, 2015 at 12:53 pm





    Quotes from an article in The Guardian:



    October 28, 2015 at 9:54 am


    (Don’t forget the dictionary definition of a workhouse): “A place where those unable to support themselves are offered accommodation and employment”.


    In former years, the “computer course” or “Callcentre” tended to be the ubiquitous dumping ground for the unemployed. Now the new dumping ground appears to be the recycling industry, where benefit claimants will be recycled through endless workfare schemes – some of them even “in-house”!


    October 28, 2015 at 10:22 am

    • I can remember the old days. We got very used to seeing the same faces month after month and year after year.

      Mister Middlesesex

      October 28, 2015 at 10:52 am

    • Mike at voxpolitical needs to get another hosting provider since the current one has made the arbitrary decision to block proxy connections to his site. Did nothing E Snowden say ever sink in? Operation PRISM? Ever wonder why you are having problems with the benefits agency? 😉


      October 28, 2015 at 1:07 pm

      • It is sinister ‘web hosting’ firm BlueHost who are responsible for this shit – a shady entity no doubt owned by and a front for a 3-letter agency intercepting and recording your website traffic, and deciding who can access your site.


        October 28, 2015 at 3:15 pm


        Mister Middlesex

        October 28, 2015 at 3:20 pm

      • BlueCoat is not the only one but it is BlueCoat who are interfering with voxpolitical.


        October 28, 2015 at 3:17 pm

  15. Malnutrition and ‘Victorian’ diseases soaring in England ‘due to food poverty and cuts’

    Cases of Victorian-era diseases including scurvy, scarlet fever, cholera and whooping cough have increased since 2010



    October 28, 2015 at 12:21 pm

  16. I’m puzzled by this whole CWP referrals for claimants who are pre-April 2014 Work Programme returners specifically as people in that circumstance would have already been place on on Mandatory Intervention regime or Daily signing (or they do none of those and they get Jobcentre offer).

    The guidance (If I’m reading it correctly) seems to say that unless someone is changed to another ‘offer’ within 8 weeks of their work programme ender interview then then would do whatever and would at that point no longer be eligible for anything else (thought there is situations or other reasons that someone can be placed on MIR such as missing an interview or failing to start a scheme or failing to start MWA for example [usually twice] gets people put on daily signing for 12 weeks)

    What puzzles me is what is the new Guidance saying is CWP now no longer being piloted but is it’s own thing now – does this mean that someone could be put on it twice – as the existing & reviewed Guidance both say that someone who has done CWP once is supposed to be subsequently on MIR for the remainder of their claim.

    So what does Mandatory Intervention regime include for such people (previously it was things like a Jobclub or weekly singing).

    So I’m curious to find out – is this new push for CWP correct only for someone who is a pre-April 2014 Work Programme who was on Job Centre offer so had never been on daily signing or Mandatory intervention regime or does it apply also to those who were work programme returners before April 2014 but have done either Daily Signing or are even already been or are even still on Mandatory Intervention regime.

    Should some one now be able to be put on one of those things twice ?

    I’m guessing there is perhaps some changes due to the Help to Work scheme no longer being a pilot so is this new CWP still part of the “H2W” package ?

    If so I would be keen to find out if Jobcentres are breaking their own guidelines again or not.

  17. Didn’t one of the campaigning sites have a set letter to “explain” that someone isn’t refusing to do a CWP placement but is refusing to have their data processed by a 3rd party ?

    I think that is something worth waving around a bit more. it did work for some in the pilot.

    I suspect the JSP reply to that thought would be to force such a claimant onto daily signing for as long as they can manage to.

    Also what happened to that rule that said someone could be sent on CWP if hey’d done something else like daily signing, or a recent training or MWA ?

    I wonder about that as JSP seems to offer shorter training schemes and work experience (as they call it) that might be 4,6,8 or 10 weeks.

    So if someone did that instead would they be immune from a CWP referral or would it just delay a referral ?

    I wonder about that one.

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