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Benefit Sanctions: Two Weeks Warning Introduced as System Begins to Crack.

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Benefit sanction warning period to be introduced, Iain Duncan Smith announces.

Reports, just now,  the Independent. (Thanks Will).

The benefit sanctions system will be made less aggressive in response to criticism of it from a parliamentary committee, Iain Duncan Smith has announced.

The Work and Pensions Secretary said people subjected to sanctions would from now on initially be given a “yellow card” or warning when the sanction –a benefit deduction – was triggered.

Claimants would then be given a 14 day period to provide evidence of why a sanction was not deserved before the monetary penalty was applied.

Under current rules, such a sanction would be applied immediately. The Work and Pensions Secretary said the new approach would be introduced on a trial basis.

“During this time, claimants will have another opportunity to provide further evidence to explain their non-compliance,” Mr Duncan Smith said in a letter to the Work and Pensions Select Committee.

“We will then review this information before deciding whether a sanction remains appropriate. We expect that this will strike the right balance between enforcing the claimant commitment and fairness.”

The change may soften some of the hardship caused by the sanctions because in practice a very high proportion of benefit sanctions taken to independent appeal are overturned.

In 2014 the DWP released figures which showed that 58 per cent of people seeking to overturn sanctions were successful – up from 20 per cent before 2010.

Sanctions are supposed to be applied to benefit claimants when a person does not comply with the conditions put on them by the DWP.

Claimants can have their social security payments stopped for reasons including missing jobcentre appointments or failing to look for work.

In practice, however, many sanction decisions are perceived to be unfair.

Widely-criticised decisions include people being sanctioned for missing jobcentre appointments because they had to attend a job interview, or people sanctioned for not looking for work because they had already secured a job due to start in a week’s time.

In one case a man with heart problems was sanctioned because he had a heart attack during a disability benefits assessment and thus failed to complete the assessment.

The Work and Pensions Committee in March called for an independent inquiry into the way the sanctions operated, for the second time in a year.

The MPs’ report warned that the sanctions regime appeared to be “purely punitive”.

In August the DWP was caught making up quotes from supposed “benefit claimants” saying that sanctions had actually helped them.


We note that Smith also says,

Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith said in a written statement that sanctions were a “necessary part of the system“, which were kept under review.

Express and Star.

Abolish the whole present sanctions regime!


Written by Andrew Coates

October 22, 2015 at 12:57 pm

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  1. One has to wonder the following with the attention wholly on DWP from some sections of the Media, Disability Campaigners, MPs, Parliamentary Committees, and Finally the UN for gods sake :

    a] how many of the total sanctions were unjust?
    b] how many of the sanction on disabled people/vulnerable were not for clearly frivolous reasons?
    c] how many of those who subsequently were made homeless/died was as a direct result of sanctions?
    d] how many individuals suffered a severe mental breakdown as a result of unjust sanctions?
    e] and finally how many of the sanctions can be shown to actually have paperwork justifying its application on a individual? [i.e. is not “Paper/Truth Thin”]


    October 22, 2015 at 1:10 pm

  2. Lets be honest, a warning before being sanctioned is far better than being sanctioned in an instant without a warning.

    Why is it a trial, they have had plenty of time to think about this. but then they would like to carry on with their targets.

    It’s obvious IDS doesn’t like the idea of warnings before a sanction.


    October 22, 2015 at 1:48 pm

    • I just noticed that the warnings don’t start until next year, that’s not good enough, it should start as of now. for their targets will just continue and as a result many more people will suffer.


      October 22, 2015 at 2:29 pm

      • No one should take the word of this shower – keep watching them closely even if they offer blood as proof truthfulness.


        October 22, 2015 at 2:32 pm

      • You know because the warnings don’t start until next year the DWP will sanction as many people as they can until then.


        October 22, 2015 at 3:49 pm

    • He’s only doing this so-called trial “because in practice a very high proportion of benefit sanctions taken to independent appeal are overturned.”

      jj joop

      October 22, 2015 at 3:49 pm

      • JJ Joop

        Quite correct…

        George Prentious Smith Random thoughts in his piggy little brain “current euthanasia plan not working, must try harder – what can I do?… ah got it, as UN on the ground what I’ll do is throw on the blinkers by saying nothing to see here no problem move along but as you’ve expressed concerns I’ll trial a softer version – meanwhile when the fools depart and everything dun and dusted on their report I’ll come back with an even more unworkable system? My gods, arn’t I brilliant.”


        October 22, 2015 at 5:53 pm

  3. Impact of JSA Sanction Notifications [or more truthfully non-notification]

    Hat-tip to Refuted

    Note: I am not paying attention to the sanctions which were overturned just the ones where a person wasn’t even informed etc.


    Page 5
    In 2014, over 93% of JSA sanctions were notified to the claimant.
    We estimate that 123 more JSA decisions were overturned by those not receiving a
    written notification than those that did receive the notification”

    Page 8
    “This merged scan identified that of the 684,895 decisions that were originally
    adverse, 47,239 (6.9%) were not notified.”

    Logically/statistically this does not pass the smell test for “Paper Thin/Truth Thin” test.

    How can you measure a number for which there is no way of knowing what the outcome would be, and then make a declaration on it?


    October 22, 2015 at 2:30 pm

  4. All:

    Just came across this on What Do They Know. Contains a lot of Decision Making data for LMDMs. The 22 October 2015 reply is very ample, to say the least.

    DWP: Is a Jobseeker, with an existing Claimant Commitment in place, required by law and / or DWP policy to sign a revised Claimant Commitment at the request of a Jobcentre WorkCoach?


    jj joop

    October 22, 2015 at 3:47 pm

  5. The whole problem is that they are taking quasi-judicial decisions about people’s only source of income with an extremely broad remit to do so, far beyond, “missing jobcentre appointments or failing to look for work (though the latter can be made as broad as possible0.

    That is compounded by the lack of anything resembling proper courts of law – essential given the gravity of depriving people of the basic necessities of life, food to start with, then (a problem of their own deliberate making) having to pay a portion of Council Tax, and not having a proper administrative structure to deal with it.

    The broad remit does appear to clarify what “compliance” is and what these conditions are.

    Nor are they forthcoming about allegations regarding pressure to sanction people.

    Andrew Coates

    October 22, 2015 at 3:50 pm

    • As we all know we only need comply, if we do we will not be sanctioned, Its easy for those of us that know the truth. but for many people who don’t there is those targets.


      October 22, 2015 at 4:39 pm

  6. OT: So called Charities and MWA/CWP

    hat-tip to unemploymentmovement



    See page 7

    HT: ECAP org

    No mention of sanctions.

    The voluntary organisation is only paid £300 (£11.54 per week)!

    I am assuming a similar arrangement will be in place for MWA.

    So called organisations can no longer be considered charities but by accepting payment via a contract for supplying services – i.e. it is no longer “Volunteering”.


    October 22, 2015 at 6:01 pm

  7. More on this,


    Probably more to do with

    Sanctions for people on benefits are often imposed for ludicrous reasons and the way they are imposed – without any hearing or tribunal – is wrong in itself and breaches fundamental human rights.



    October 22, 2015 at 7:25 pm

    • IDS slammed over “pathetic” response to sanctions probe by sister of man who died after lifeline axed.

      “The sister of a man who died after being sanctioned has hit out at the government’s “pathetic” response to last year’s MPs inquiry into benefit sanctions.

      Gill Thompson, whose diabetic brother David Clapson died after his benefits were cut , said Iain Duncan Smith’s refusal to conduct a full independent inquiry into sanctions was an insult to the former British soldier’s memory.

      “David paid his taxes and served his country. But at the one time he needed help, his country failed him,” she said.

      “All I wanted was for lessons to be learned, but it seems Iain Duncan Smith doesn’t want to learn them.

      “It makes you wonder what the government has got to hide.”


      Andrew Coates

      October 23, 2015 at 9:15 am

  8. North Lanarkshire Council proposing to axe 1,095 posts.

    John Young, North Lanarkshire Council steward for the trades union Unison, said: “This is devastating for everyone living in North Lanarkshire and once again it is the low paid and vulnerable, including children, elderly and disabled people who will be the worst affected.



    October 22, 2015 at 7:28 pm

    • As a council. Employee this is truly scary not because I think “it could happen to me ” but because enigmas right, children and the vulnerable will be worse hit. I see children in my school who are let down now by the cuts!

      kat rehman

      October 23, 2015 at 5:28 pm

      • Kat, I didn’t say any of the above! but like you I know many people will suffer as a result of it.


        October 23, 2015 at 6:15 pm

    • Sorry enigma you didn’t say it it was in the link you posted! my brains were mush yesterday I was really tired!

      Kat rehman

      October 24, 2015 at 3:49 pm

  9. pimps pay the Charities out of there fee why do you think they have ppl there in the first place, so they make money and get a slave to work for free.

    its between 10 and 25 quid for each person a day and cant even feed you fkn joke.


    October 22, 2015 at 7:29 pm

    • Probably why they want to to sign ‘time-sheets’ and all that shit – as if 😀 …… so that they can claim their ££ss 😀

      Moo Lah

      October 22, 2015 at 10:46 pm

      • Oh yeah, but the ‘time-sheets’ are MANDATORY – so says who? lol 😀 😀

        Moo Lah

        October 22, 2015 at 10:47 pm

    • Never mind tea/coffee and biscuits none of these fucking places even have a water fountain which is a LEGAL REQUIREMENT under the Health & Safety at Work Act.

      Moo Lah

      October 22, 2015 at 10:53 pm

  10. The first cut won’t hurt at all
    The second only makes you wonder.
    The third will have you on your knees
    You start bleeding I start screaming.

    IDS And The Welfare Cuts

    October 23, 2015 at 1:26 am

    • Poptastic 😀

      Smashie & Nicey

      October 23, 2015 at 9:14 am

      • This should have been a MASSIVE hit. Claudia Brücken puts Adele to shame 😀

        Moser Roth

        October 23, 2015 at 12:54 pm

      • It’s too late the decision is made by fate 😀

        Mandy Tory ReCONsideration

        October 25, 2015 at 11:30 pm

  11. Lawyers express concern over ministerial code rewrite.

    Conservative ministers have been accused of quietly abandoning the longstanding principle that members of the government should be bound by international law.

    A rewrite of the ministerial code that sets out the standard of conduct expected has omitted a reference to the subject – a decision that senior lawyers say could have far-reaching implications for the UK and its relationship with the rest of the world.

    Lawyers say key issues affected by the change could include decisions about whether to go to war or use military force, such as the use of drones in Syria, any decision made by an international court about the UK and any laws not incorporated into English law, such as human rights legislation and the Geneva conventions.



    October 23, 2015 at 8:10 am

  12. OT But about work place pensions. Does this mean that an OAP who has a carer come into their own home or who employs a cleaner etc will be required by law to supply a wpp. What if they don’t

    Mister Middlesex

    October 23, 2015 at 8:26 am

  13. Twitterstorms for Friday 23rd October 10am – 3pm

    The DWP are holding one of their ridiculous and patronising Disability Confident events in Swindon – and they have provided us with the hashtag #DisabilityConfident with which they intend to broadcast propaganda that everything they do is good for disabled people!.



    October 23, 2015 at 8:43 am

  14. Benefits changes could add to cancer patients’ money woes – charity

    Macmillan Cancer Support helped more than 30,000 people buy clothes and bedding or heat their homes, saying changes could push some over the edge.



    October 23, 2015 at 12:39 pm

  15. Are there any bets being taken on the 5 year fixed term Parliament being prorogued and a vote of no confidence in Mr Cameron and or a leadership challenge.

    Mister Middlesex

    October 23, 2015 at 12:54 pm

  16. Another Fine Mess

    October 23, 2015 at 1:12 pm

    • I see Benefits and Work are still charging the poor to get help.

      Inexcusable exploitation.

      ghost whistler

      October 25, 2015 at 10:23 am

  17. OT: Workie to you but Wankie to me Assessment

    Well someone thinks like me and got a assessment of Workie by children.

    Workie… or as I call him now “Wankie” has been judged by children… check out the cost they estimate to make “Wankie” [out of the mouths of babes] and the elder childs comment about visibility of Wankie.


    October 23, 2015 at 1:39 pm

    • Gazza

      October 23, 2015 at 1:40 pm

    • All is not lost, perhaps they could re-edit it into a safety video. Warning children not to talk to giant purple furry monsters in the park.

      Another Fine Mess

      October 23, 2015 at 1:49 pm

      • Another Fine Mess,

        What for another 8.5Mil? Knowing them they’ll make a mess of it (i.e. encouraging children to talk to strange people…) and costs will be in the 20Mil mark…


        October 23, 2015 at 2:11 pm

  18. Sanctions “Yellow Card” [Trying to show system is fit for purpose beyond date of un investigation]

    hat-tip to unemploymentmovement


    The End Sentance is telling it as it is:

    “As long as the DWP believes that threats, traps and cruel punishments are the best way to deal with claimants, tinkering with the system is no more than a PR stunt.”

    ConCons hoping the UN investigation finishes soon after start then back to the way it was.


    October 23, 2015 at 3:06 pm

  19. I agree Gazza.

    Top jobs need high pay, wonderful conditions, massive pensions, to attract the best people.

    Ordinary people need pay restraint, ‘flexible’ (for the employers) working hours, precarious conditions, and higher pensions ages, to compete on the world market.

    People on benefits need threats, traps and punishments to motivate them to work.

    Andrew Coates

    October 23, 2015 at 3:35 pm

    • Too true Andrew

      So much for a “classless” society


      October 23, 2015 at 3:43 pm

  20. Caution:

    6 month Community Work Placements (CWP) has now gone live in Bradford Jobcentres.

    JCP refers you to a Private Provider (in this case Interserve) then you get stuck on a placement for 30 hours a week at a charity or other, and on top of that you also have to attend 10 hours of job search at the Private Provider.


    Obi Wan Kenobi

    October 24, 2015 at 10:03 am

    • 40 wasted hours for you, 40 hours of profit for the providers and charities/’others’.

      Andrew Coates

      October 24, 2015 at 10:46 am

    • Obi:

      I thought CWPs had gone live everywhere.

      I was also under the impression that if you had completed the Work Programme before April 2014 you were not referred to CWP. I don’t know if that’s still the case.

      And does any one know what happens to people who decline to sign the provider’s paperwork/forms? While I’m aware that you should still attend any mandatory provider appointments, if only to avoid being sanctioned, can the the provider still pimp you out if you decline to sign a data protection waiver?

      jj joop

      October 24, 2015 at 12:03 pm

      • You thought right, CWP’s are happening everywhere.


        October 24, 2015 at 1:51 pm

      • For: jj joop – Here is a link to an FOI request, which states that CWP was extended nationally to the pre 28 April date WPCI completers.



        October 24, 2015 at 6:38 pm

      • rosebud2015:

        Thanks for that. It’s official then. I have included a link that shows the dates for the CWP go live areas to include pre 28 April WP completers. Interestingly, there is no mention of East Anglia.

        I don’t know if Mr Coates has heard anything to the contrary.


        jj joop

        October 24, 2015 at 6:53 pm

      • CWP is aimed at jobseekers who have completed the Work Programme and not found employment. The will be identified by JCP as jobseekers whose key barrier to employment is either insufficient work history or a lack of motivation.

        Providers must ensure that no more than 25% of completed work placement weeks involve jobseekers undertaking retail duties within charity shops.

        Placements must not displace what would otherwise be paid economic jobs, or impact existing employees within the host organisation – but this is just what is happening.



        October 24, 2015 at 7:35 pm

      • JJ take a look at “failure to participate” you will see that the form which the provider fills in (if you fail to take part) doesn’t state “failed to participate – because of not signing any paperwork.



        October 24, 2015 at 8:14 pm

      • But the provider probably will write those words in that box on the form if you don’t sign any paperwork then send it off to DWP, superted knows all about this because he has been sanctioned for this reason but he has won every time!


        October 24, 2015 at 8:29 pm

      • they put failed to attend on near all of mine but kept proof of travel and 1 all of them.

        even my mwa done it and then slagged me off on there fb page that i was a tramp pmsl total retards 😉

        not had to stay at any pimp since 2005 just turn up say willing to take part in doing nothing and sign nothing.

        back to the jcp you go 😉


        October 24, 2015 at 8:36 pm

      • “can the the provider still pimp you out if you decline to sign a data protection waiver?” Yes! The Jobcentre makes the referral directly.

        CWP Victim

        October 24, 2015 at 8:41 pm

      • if you dont sign the pimps contract then no they cant as will not get paid


        October 24, 2015 at 9:07 pm

      • Andy and JJ:

        Everybody thought Universal Credit had gone ‘Live’ in certain towns and city’s but guess what it can’t because it’s basically not viable for certain places in Britain.

        IDS’s UC in some places is impossible! – and he knows it.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        October 24, 2015 at 10:05 pm

      • UC.. Useless…’C’ ?

        Mister Middlesex

        October 25, 2015 at 11:11 am

      • Obi:

        My work coach told me that I won’t be on UC until the end of next year at the earliest. Probably longer. Say no more, eh!

        jj joop

        October 25, 2015 at 10:43 am

      • SAME HERE. Not B4 2017

        Mister Middlesex

        October 25, 2015 at 11:14 am

      • CWP Victim:

        superted is correct. Don’t sign any of the provider’s paperwork. Just make sure you attend all mandatory provider appointments. Record all interviews and conversations. Just say the magic words: please be advised I may be recording this interview for legal purposes. Never mind about JCP referral. If you don’t sign pimpo’s paperwork/consent forms, etc. – they can’t get a payment for you.

        jj joop

        October 25, 2015 at 10:50 am

      • Repeat those words a few times a day.


        October 25, 2015 at 11:58 am

      • Has it not been known [Allegedly] for some unscrupulous providers [Allegedly] to cut and paste details including signatures to get outcome payments. What if you become self-employed and tell provider to FO and not tell them. You could just not sign on-on becoming self-employed and let your claim lapse.What then.

        Mister Middlesex

        October 25, 2015 at 1:30 pm

      • Our manger was called Terry Fitch and his number two was called Roz something-or-the-other. They ended up marrying each other. He was a total dud and she knew how to work a room. There was also an industrial chaplain called the Reverend Ken. Another Dud.

        jj joop

        October 25, 2015 at 3:57 pm

      • Heard about REV Ken. He moved to the Cambridge City Jobclub. He move after he married the other two

        Mister Middlesex

        October 26, 2015 at 9:18 am

    • Mr Obi.

      I am old enough to remember the Community Action Programme in Kings Lynn in the 1990’s. It was the same as you describe. It was run by a company called. COMMUNITY RURAL AID PROJECTS. They were based in Queen Street and used too work alongside NACRO etc. Who says history cannot repeat it’s self.

      Mister Middlesex

      October 24, 2015 at 2:33 pm

      • Mr Middlesex:

        I, too, remember Community Rural Aid. It was part of the Ely and Soham Community Programme, which was based at High Barns in Ely, Cambridgeshire. I think it was run by Manpower, as I recall. It was over thirty years ago and my memory is a bit sketchy.

        The rural aid team dug allotments and the gardens of the elderly, and the other team painted village halls and other local amenities.

        jj joop

        October 24, 2015 at 6:47 pm

      • Yes. It was a joint venture between NACRO and MANPOWER. It used to be called COMMUNITY RURAL AID PROJECTS. I think they were based in Sheffield. The local manager was a one Mary McGiven and the Centre Manager was Mr Peter Marks. They dropped the word projects off their title after it was pointed out that using the initials only was well- CRAP>. They were down an alleyway in Queen Street after moving there from the NACRO site on the Northern Industrial area.

        Mister Middlesex

        October 25, 2015 at 11:08 am

      • Mr Middlesex – No Prob’s _ it’s just Obi Wan.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        October 24, 2015 at 10:11 pm

      • Our manger was called Terry Fitch and his number two was called Roz something-or-the-other. They ended up marrying each other. He was a total dud and she knew how to work a room. There was also an industrial chaplain called the Reverend Ken. Another Dud.

        jj joop

        October 25, 2015 at 3:57 pm

      • It always seems like all these people are failures or losers on one level or another. I guess that’s why they work for the pimp. No one else will have them.

        jj joop

        October 25, 2015 at 4:00 pm

      • I say work. I should say prostitute themselves.

        jj joop

        October 25, 2015 at 4:01 pm

  21. Health conditions that exempt you from work-related activity.

    Description How certain health conditions affect your Universal Credit Content.



    October 24, 2015 at 11:17 am

  22. George Osborne Accused Of Bullying Over Tax Credit Cuts By Baroness Meacher.

    Crossbencher Baroness Meacher complained at the way she and others were treated over proposed “fatal” amendments that would kill off the policy to cut tax credits,

    Threats included that he would “close the House of Lords, that he will create 100 new Conservative peers”, she added.



    October 24, 2015 at 1:35 pm

  23. Vulnerable people are missing out on an astonishing £13.23 billion of benefits. The total includes over £2 billion in unclaimed benefits for jobseekers, and more than £3 billion for pensioners.

    The figures were revealed in an answer that employment minister Priti Patel gave to a question in Parliament – which highlighted that 45 per cent of people who are currently out of work aren’t claiming Jobseekers’ Allowance – so more than £2.5 billion is going unclaimed.



    October 24, 2015 at 2:43 pm

  24. DWP ‘Benefit sanctions: Britain’s secret penal system’ by Dr David Webster University of Glasgow.

    Few people know that the number of financial penalties (‘sanctions’) imposed on benefit claimants by the Department of Work and Pensions now exceeds the number of fines imposed by the courts.



    October 24, 2015 at 5:14 pm

  25. Well to be fair I could just slap Cameron with Shirley Bassey “History Repeating Itself” _ but I think this Video speaks Volume’s of the piece of wank we have as Govt. now:

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    October 24, 2015 at 10:17 pm

  26. Ok

    Freeview Channel 173.

    Do I have to say more – Off you go guy’s – Enjoy!

    Sorry no video as it’s adult content.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    October 24, 2015 at 10:35 pm

  27. this is free view 😉



    October 24, 2015 at 10:52 pm

    • Nice one Superted – Locked on!

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      October 24, 2015 at 11:14 pm

  28. Jobs available, all over the UK, but ………………..

    Britain’s police force is at BREAKING POINT: Savage cuts risking public safety.

    Last month Home Secretary Theresa May announced a consultation which could pave the way for forces to replace paid PCSOs with unpaid volunteers. Under the plans there could be a dramatic expansion of the role available to 7,000 civilians, who would be known as Police Community Support Volunteers.



    October 25, 2015 at 10:06 am

    • Due to what is happening there will need to be a lot more than 7.000.


      October 25, 2015 at 10:26 am

    • Plod needs thinned down a bit anyway. Way too many of these over-paid, pampered governments thugs as it is.

      The thing with Plod is that like with everything else they have to justify their existence. Plod is busy at the moment pulling over motorists for a “free” “Winter Safety Check” 😀 They even check your tyre depth* for “free” 🙂 What’s not to like? 🙂 And they check your windscreen fluid level too 😀

      * The maximum fine which a court can impose for using a vehicle with a defective tyre is £2,500 and three penalty points (£5,000 in the case of a goods vehicle or a vehicle constructed or adapted to carry more than eight passengers) That’s for EACH tyre!


      October 26, 2015 at 12:45 pm

  29. 14 days to provide evidence.

    Which i imagine will then be ignored and not considered anyway.

    It’s a small reprieve, but it doesn’t go anywhere near far enough.

    And that’s assuming staff abide by it in the first place, which I doubt.

    ghost whistler

    October 25, 2015 at 10:13 am

  30. DWP death data – full of holes.

    Shocking ‘back to work’ results for people claiming all kinds of sickness benefits in Great Britain over a 4 year period show that just 37,770 obtained a ‘job outcome’, whereas in just over a two year period over 81,000 people died whilst claiming sickness benefits between December 2011 and February 2014.



    October 25, 2015 at 11:52 am

  31. On the Community Programmes – I heard they paid proper money (if low) and did relatively useful things.

    How times have changed.

    Andrew Coates

    October 25, 2015 at 3:49 pm

    • For a three day week, it was nearly twice as much as the dole. Which was good.

      jj joop

      October 25, 2015 at 3:53 pm

    • Yes. We did get something like an extra £10-£20 a week on top of the benefit you were getting. In some areas like King’s Lynn and Downham Market. It was run by the Borough Council. We only worked from 08:30 to 14:30 for 3 days a week. There was no compulsion on my scheme for mandatory jobsearch either

      Mister Middlesex

      October 26, 2015 at 9:16 am

  32. CWP Victim
    October 24, 2015 at 8:41 pm

    “can the the provider still pimp you out if you decline to sign a data protection waiver?” Yes! The Jobcentre makes the referral directly.
    October 24, 2015 at 9:07 pm

    if you dont sign the pimps contract then no they cant as will not get paid

    No, you are incorrect superted. It’s the original poster who is correct.

    If you do not have anything to do with the pimp’s paperwork they will still send you on a placement. And that’s a fact!! And anyone that says otherwise is talking complete and utter SHIT!!

    There is way, way to much utterly misleading shit on these sort of forums.

    It is a moot point whether they get paid or not or if you can be sanctioned for ‘failing to attend’ if you leave the placement, or it could be just a case that they leave you on a placement out of sheer badness.

    Anyway, jobseekers have commented that they have been sent of placements without even setting foot in the provider’s office.

    It is still a FACT that you can be sent on a placement without laying a finger of the provider’s paperwork.

    DWP Slave

    October 26, 2015 at 8:34 am

    • if the jcp are arranging placements and nothing is signed hew will be liable if you get hurt on site?

      im on esa atm so not had to deal with them for a while tbh but id suggest you tell where they send you will not be covered buy there insurance if anything happens to you or a member of public will get sued for big bucks.


      October 26, 2015 at 1:42 pm

      • SAME HERE SUPERTED. Some banana man at jcp has suggested work experience there !


        October 26, 2015 at 2:53 pm

      • where at the jcp lol.

        if i remember right when i got my mwa i was given the time sheet and a letter from the pimp when i went to sign on to show up at a charity shop on said day.

        when i went 2 ppl there was from the pimp running things in store that the ppl had to do ect and when first starting will be asked to sign the health and safety regs that you have read it ect so dont sign it and they cant have you on site.


        October 26, 2015 at 3:14 pm

      • Tthere are issues surrounding the legality of all this, more like criminality but it is the DWP and their collaborators after all not to mention as superted the big questions over the insurance aspects. It would be too bad if a serious incident occurred.

        E Maiden

        October 26, 2015 at 7:01 pm

    • Re the Health and Safety regs they if you don’t sign it they still keep you on site! But the Health & Safety is still provider paperwork. You can almost here the toing and froing between the Jobcentre and provider: “Houston, we have a problem”, “a ‘customer’ is being uncooperative”.

      The Jobcentre arrange OPPORTUNITIES directly with employers in other circumstances, so it is probably true that which has been stated by providers that the jobcentre will just arrange the placement directly. The lack of paperwork quite possibly cuts the provider out of the loop regarding payment (expect for travel expenses). So we are left with a situation whereby the ‘activity’ becomes in effect a jobcentre OPPORTUNITY which the claimant has been directed to attend even though the placement has been ‘sourced’ by the provider. ‘Responsibility’ will fall wholly under the jobcentre. And no doubt attendance would be monitored ‘directly’ by the jobcentre although probably through the provider.

      The only possible problem for the provider is that if they were in a position of continually ‘sourcing’ placements without payment is that it wouldn’t be long before they went out of business. And if they knew that they weren’t going to get paid they would be reluctant to accept another re-feral from the same ‘customer’.

      It is also apparent that ‘customers’ who don’t ‘play ball’ get sent to the shittiest placements.

      E Maiden

      October 26, 2015 at 6:55 pm

      • “It is also apparent that ‘customers’ who don’t ‘play ball’ get sent to the shittiest placements”

        That is very true, also obvious. so many people don’t yet know, it is also true that if your advisor figures out that your actually looking for a job, and you are already a volunteer somewhere you will then be left alone to get on with it so you will not be put on any scheme. as in my and other people cases.


        October 26, 2015 at 7:43 pm

      • You’re right there, enigma. Since I’ve started doing volunteering off my own back, a couple days a week, my work coach virtually ignores me. And I’ve gone back to fortnightly signing as well.

        Ted X

        October 27, 2015 at 3:29 pm

    • If you’ve been referred to provider for CWP, you should get this letter.


      You should not go straight to the placement without a provider interview first.

      Ted X

      October 27, 2015 at 3:31 pm

    • DWP Slave , If you have been screwed into doing CWP by a Provider it would be a good idea if you could provide details so other people may know what to expect and hopefully take precautions if possible.


      October 29, 2015 at 2:53 pm

  33. It appears the the jobcentre arranges the placement directly as a means of circumventing the law. What they are doing is probably illegal but that’s the DWP for you.

    They only thing is that if it causes the provider/DWP some grief they will probably be wary about sending you on another placement.

    DWP Slave

    October 26, 2015 at 8:40 am

    • Specially if the provider doesn’t get paid!

      DWP Slave

      October 26, 2015 at 8:40 am

      • Looks like they the DWP are going full circle and restarting running it all in house. BTW does anybody remember the RESTART COURSES you went if you did not get a job at JOBCLUB

        Mister Middlesex

        October 26, 2015 at 9:22 am

      • I have mine next week.

        Andrew Coates

        October 26, 2015 at 12:39 pm

      • You’ve got a Restart 🙂 Things are looking up 😀

        Maggie T

        October 26, 2015 at 9:01 pm

      • You’ve got a Restart 🙂 Things are looking up 😀 😀

        Maggie T

        October 26, 2015 at 9:01 pm

  34. And when you leave the placement you won’t get an ‘exit interview’, a ‘reference’ from the slave placement provider or any of that shit so that in itself says something…. 😉

    DWP Slave

    October 26, 2015 at 8:43 am

    • DWP are still ”offering” work experience placements for 4 weeks at the Jobcentres. If you are NOT local to the JC they offer you front line position otherwise it is the back office.

      Mister Middlesex

      October 27, 2015 at 9:18 am

  35. You have to be ‘willing to participate’ so you can still end up on a scheme without touching any paperwork, and maybe the provider isn’t get paid? But you still have to be ‘willing to participate’.

    DWP Slave

    October 26, 2015 at 8:46 am

  36. Benefit sanctions are broken – and the government can’t be trusted to fix them
    Emily Thornberry

    If any other government department was having its decisions reversed on this scale it would be a national scandal and we would have a public inquiry. And yet the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) gets away with it on this serious issue, where the impact can be so extreme that families may be left unable to feed their children.

    Another Fine Mess

    October 26, 2015 at 1:27 pm

  37. This ‘new’ site layout is still horrible for me!

    Another Fine Mess

    October 26, 2015 at 1:35 pm

  38. Here’s a funny thing.

    I had to attend a Jobseeker’s Review and sign a new Jobseeker’s Agreement with a new advisor yesterday.

    The appointment card said 9.50, but the appointment was for 9.00. Lucky I turned up early then.

    In the afternoon, I was phoned by a recruitment advisor who claimed she had found my CV on Reed. She wanted to ask me if I was interested in a job with a retailer near London Bridge (which is 90 minutes away by train). She also wanted to know if I would be willing to start work the very next day, and could I supply references.

    I never heard from her again.

    It all sounds a bit dodgy to me. Are these recruiters checking up on jobseekers for the DWP?

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