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‘Boot’ – Camps for Young Unemployed.

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‘Work Coach’ for Young People. 

I am beginning to think that some of the contributors to this site are right to make comparisons with the 1930’s forced labour schemes.

Unemployed young people will be sent to work boot camp, says minister

Reports the Guardian today

Matt Hancock says plan for jobseekers between 18 and 21 to be placed on intensive activity programme is not a form of punishment.

“We are penalising nobody because nobody who does the right thing and plays by the rules will lose their benefits,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme on Monday. “In fact this is about giving more support to young people.”

The senior Conservative, who heads David Cameron’s earn or learn taskforce, will set out plans for jobseekers aged between 18 and 21 to be placed on an intensive activity programme within the first three weeks of submitting a claim.

The new requirements, outlined on Monday, will be in place by April 2017 as part of a wider policy, first announced by Cameron before the election, that jobless 18- to 21-year-olds would be required to do work experience as well as looking for jobs or face losing their benefits.

Children’s charity Barnardo’s criticised the plans, saying that young people needed to feel supported, not punished.

In a challenge to Labour, Hancock has now written to all four leadership candidates urging them to get behind the government’s plans.

…the leftwing frontrunner Jeremy Corbyn has explicitly said he would oppose the government’s move to take housing benefit away from 18- to 21-year-olds, while Andy Burnham has also been critical of the policy.

Responding to the announcement, a spokesman for the Corbyn campaign said: “This is another punitive turn by this Conservative government that is failing young people. They have cut further education places, driven a punitive welfare regime that has failed to reduce youth unemployment, and are raising university fees and taking away grants.

“As it takes away opportunities for young people to earn or learn, this government is blaming young people rather than addressing the real problems. It proposes more free labour from the young with fewer rights, and will be resisted by young people and Labour MPs.”

Yvette Cooper and Liz Kendall have said welfare cuts need to be approached in a fairer, more Labour way.

Setting out his plans, Hancock suggested some young people were part of a “welfare culture that is embedded in some of Britain’s most vulnerable communities”.

He said: “By working across government to make sure that every young person is in work or training, by opening up three million more apprenticeships, expanding traineeships, and making sure that a life on benefits is simply not an option, we want to end rolling welfare dependency for good, so welfare dependency is no longer passed down the generations.

“We are absolutely committed to ending long-term youth unemployment and building a country for workers, where nobody is defined by birth and everyone can achieve their potential.”

The idea of boot camps for young people without jobs is not a new one. The Conservative party previously suggested it in 2008, when the then shadow welfare spokesman Chris Grayling announced that the party wanted to “abolish benefit payments for any able-bodied person under 21 who is out of work for more than three months”.

The Independent yesterday carried the initial floating of this plan.

Jobless young people will be made to attend “boot camps” in return for benefits as part of a new Conservative drive to bring a “no excuses” culture to youth employment.

Under the plan, anyone under 21 who is out of work and on benefits will have to take part in a three-week intensive course to help them find employment or training.

They will have to sign up to the programme within a month of claiming benefits – or see those benefits stopped.

The course, which ministers are provocatively describing as a “boot camp”, includes practising job applications and interview techniques. It is expected to take 71 hours to complete and benefits will be dependent on attendance.

Comment:

The Americanism (or cultural cringe to the US) ‘boot camp’ apparently means:

 boot camp

noun

NORTH AMERICAN
  1. a military training camp for new recruits, with very harsh discipline.
    • a prison for young offenders, run on military lines.
    • a short, intensive, and rigorous course of training.
      “a gruelling, late-summer boot camp for would-be football players”

But in fact the language the government and its toady Hancock use has a different origin: it  smells of the ‘get yer hair cut’ 1960s.

Or the kind of pervy old men who like ‘punishing’ youngsters.

We can say one thing for sure: the companies who’ll be running these ‘boot camps’ are some of the biggest chancers and failures in the country – as the evidence from successive New Deals, Work Programmes and all the rest indicates.

What will happen after this bogus ‘training’?

Will there be more forced ‘boot camps’?

Will young people be made to do workfare?

As said above, it looks like our contributors are onto something when they suggest that forced labour,  Zwangsarbeit, is not far off. 

You can vote on this via the ITV site: HERE.

Is it fair to send unemployed youngsters to work ‘boot camps’?
Yes – more needs to be done to get them into workNo – it’s a step too far
 Yes 71.32%  

 

No – it’s a step too far 28.68%  
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Written by Andrew Coates

August 17, 2015 at 10:52 am

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  1. so 3 weeks at a poverty pimps office so they can get paid then off to work down the pound shop.

    they will still need you to sign there 3rd party contracts so sign nothing but be willing to take part and watch it fall apart 😉

    superted

    August 17, 2015 at 12:25 pm

    • Don’t forget to do the following, all who might be inflicted with this:

      1: Smile say yes, please – be enthusiastic
      2: prepare letters naming names :

      A: Work Roach, Section Manager, Senior Building Manager, Harassment if ordered to sign,
      B: Letter/Report to Police reporting “Threats and Menaces” in attempt to coerce into sign a contract, someone being paid makes it Fraud – criminal behaviour methinks.
      C: request from both DWP and provider written confirmation of rules and regulations requiring you to sign.
      D: confirmation from both DWP/Provider of insurance coverage under these circumstances.
      E: Letter stating will NEVER sign such documents and production of same by anyone will be fraud [hopefully stop the copying of signatures]
      F: Letter that any Non-Normal letters/meetings etc you are to be Text to your mobile phone, phone call and letter set to yourself – this will cut out the phantom letters for the week before you were never sent but cannot prove etc etc.
      G: for DWP another letter [also quoting the regulations used by them] laying out which takes precedence attending DWP or Provider on request.

      As we all seem to have bad memories and don’t wish for there to be any disputes only written replies are acceptable.
      Difficulties producing the above? Oh dear that does mean that something fishy is going on.
      And the letters as quoting their own regulations/rules must take only minutes to prepare – offer to pick up the next day. If unable to produce then that is Harassment/Misconduct in a Public office

      Gazza

      August 17, 2015 at 2:13 pm

      • I was also thinking, along the lines of ‘which takes precedence’, that the DWP also make clear whether a job interview is more important, also certain try out days for prospective jobs and job conventions, things like that.

        Great advice there; obviously gained from experience!

        sasson1

        August 19, 2015 at 8:10 am

    • Sound advice superted and Gazza. Anyone reading would be well advised to copy and save their comments. Applicable to all!

      My roach threatened to refer me back to pimpo shitec for an MWA. I respectfully requested in writing that the be-arch put it in writing, advising me of the consequences if I declined. Never got a reply. Didn’t do the MWA either.

      pmsl!

      jj joop

      August 17, 2015 at 4:48 pm

      • And still pmsl-ing to this day. Ho Ho HO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        That’s not me laughing, by the way. Although the more astute among you will have guessed that already.

        jj joop

        August 17, 2015 at 4:51 pm

  2. At least the REICHSARBEITSDIENST led to the building of autobahns. But what will this scheme for the UK’s arbeitsscheu achieve in terms of job creation?

    Tobanem

    August 17, 2015 at 1:25 pm

  3. 2008 it was “who refuse to take a job”

    Now its He said: “By working across government to make sure that every young person is in work or training, by opening up three million more apprenticeships, expanding traineeships, and making sure that a life on benefits is simply not an option

    And who’s fault was that?its implying that the young are to blame not conservative neglect and decline,then turning around saying its someones metal health problem.

    ken

    August 17, 2015 at 3:19 pm

  4. “Boot camp” will be workfare – replacing paid employees, of all ages, the apprenticeships? reality, more workfare. and lets not forget 18.- 21, at the moment.

    enigma

    August 17, 2015 at 4:27 pm

  5. The phrase “boot camp” is nothing more than an alternative, PC version of the old fashioned word “bullying”. No surprise its being used in this context then…

    Dan

    August 17, 2015 at 6:07 pm

  6. Its not looking good for the imminent indefinite or lifetime DLA claiments either,while the disability is lifetime the new Personal Independent Payment isnt,the DWP have already set their figures on around 500,000 losing out completely with learning difficulties,under it “takes longer” for many it takes a lot longer then that if at all for what would be considered reasonable ability and that and there are often other considerable problems such as emotional and behavioural problems.are these going to be ignored?

    Atos nurse ‘lied’ about PIP claimant attending assessment alone

    http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/atos-nurse-lied-about-pip-claimant-attending-assessment-alone/

    ken

    August 17, 2015 at 6:42 pm

  7. An apprenticeship is only useful IF there is a job at the end.. most of these so called Apprenticeships are just cheap labour

    Greenwood4727

    August 17, 2015 at 7:15 pm

    • And a real apprenticeship is offered, not forced or bullied into it.

      enigma

      August 18, 2015 at 2:37 am

      • U R right, forced apprenticeships are just not going to work, even for the infamous “hard-working tax-payer who’s doing the right thing”.

        Another Fine Mess

        August 18, 2015 at 12:29 pm

  8. It is the jobcentres job to find you a proper job with a proper contract its proper jobs we need not boot camps i fear for thepersons saftey who runs the boot camp including jobcentre advisor, and the idiot who sugested it.
    I would shed no tears if a job centre advisor was seriously assaulted.
    It is proper jobs we need not stuck up ministers critisising unemployed.

    Tony Montana

    August 18, 2015 at 4:44 am

  9. Amazon, the reality for their employees.

    The article paints a picture where every part of employees’ working and personal lives are tracked and quantified, where their movements, productivity and successes or failures are measured to the nth degree while managers are forced to rate their employees and fire their lowest-scoring workers.

    Instant replies to emails are expected, even if sent in the middle of the night or the weekends, and employees are apparently actively encouraged to secretly funnel their back-stabbing or praise through Amazon’s “Anytime Feedback Tool”. Some employees felt it necessary to secretly form pacts of negative feedback to edge out others and prevent themselves from being fired, according to the article.

    http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/aug/17/jeff-bezos-amazon-working-practices

    enigma

    August 18, 2015 at 10:35 am

    • Welcome to the Pyramid Pile Game

      Step right in, you have been appointed CEO but its fair game on anyone else.
      Sit back and watch the show as lesser mortals back-stab each other to keep their paltry wage and may just maybe reach up to your exalted level – no I was just joking there – don’t worry we’ve rigged the game so that never happens, only us Rich Bods are protected.

      Gazza

      August 18, 2015 at 2:48 pm

  10. enigma

    August 18, 2015 at 10:48 am

    • Surely even the bit that says “my benefit would go down for 2 weeks” is just a lie.

      Another Fine Mess

      August 18, 2015 at 12:24 pm

  11. Psychologists embark on a mental health march to raise awareness of the devastating effect that cuts are having on their patients.

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/aug/17/psychologists-march-to-highlight-devastating-impact-of-cuts-on-mental-health

    enigma

    August 18, 2015 at 10:51 am

    • “I didn’t think a CV would help me but my work coach told me that all employers need one. I didn’t have a good reason for not doing it and I was told I’d lose some of my payment. I decided to complete the CV and told my work coach.”

      Sure, I can imagine someone saying that!!!!

      Andrew Coates

      August 18, 2015 at 10:52 am

      • Yes, the young- er ones especially, again how much do they know, as goes for “boot camps”

        enigma

        August 18, 2015 at 11:07 am

  12. Reblogged this on Britain Isn't Eating.

    A6er

    August 18, 2015 at 11:25 am

  13. Just saying From June 1935 onwards, men aged between 18 and 25 had to serve six months before their military service. During World War II compulsory service also included young women Conscripted personnel had to move into labour barracks. Each rank and file RAD man was supplied with a spade and a bicycle. A paramilitary uniform was implemented in 1934; beside the swastika brassard, the RAD symbol, an arm badge in the shape of an upward pointing shovel blade, was displayed on the upper left shoulder of all uniforms and great-coats worn by all personnel. Men and women had to work up to 76 hours a week.

    Greenwood4727

    August 18, 2015 at 1:04 pm

  14. Government plans to increase apprentice numbers to three million by 2020 will fail, according to training providers and businesses with training academies in England.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/student/career-planning/apprenticeships/conservative-plans-to-increase-apprenticeships-to-3-million-by-2020-will-fail-colleges-and-businesses-tell-survey-10460682.html

    enigma

    August 18, 2015 at 2:06 pm

  15. Andrew Coates

    August 18, 2015 at 5:12 pm

  16. Sanctions are the best thing that ever happened to me 😀 If it wasn’t for sanctions I wouldn’t be where I am today 😀

    In the Gutter

    August 19, 2015 at 5:21 am

    • …said the ghost, just about to scare the shite out of IDS, who is, I can assure you, sleeping soundly.

      sasson1

      August 19, 2015 at 8:18 am


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