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Accept help to lose weight, or lose your benefits. Official.

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Dole to Tell you to Cut down on Visits to Chippie.

Cameron: Accept help to lose weight, or lose your benefits

Posts Conservative Home, apparently the Home of Conservatism.

‘Obese people who refuse medical treatment to help them lose weight could have their benefits cut, the Prime Minister will announce today. David Cameron will launch a review to work out the cost to taxpayers and the economy of ‘preventable’ conditions such as obesity and drug and alcohol addiction. He has asked a government health adviser to examine plans to force people with health problems to undertake treatment when claiming benefits.’ – Daily Mail

  • This is about protecting taxpayers – The Sun Says (you have to pay to read this)
  • Britain is the fat man of Europe – The Times Leader (you have to pay to read this as well).

The Telegraph registers some of the changes about to be introduced.

‘Fat taxes’ and benefit cuts

David Cameron is expected to announce shortly that overweight people could have benefits worth around £100 a week reduced or ended altogether if they refuse to lose weight.

This has led to speculation that extra taxes could be levied on overweight working people too. Another option on the table is to tax food to make unhealthy items more expensive and to subsidise healthy food.

Experts have previously said that “fat taxes” would have to increase the price of unhealthy food and drinks by as much as 20pc in order to cut consumption by enough to reduce obesity and other diet-related diseases. For a family spending £100 a week on food, £50 of which is spent on “unhealthy food”, this would add £520 a year, or £10 a week, to their shopping bill.

But, standing up for differently weighted people (for reasons which coast near the bleedin’ obvious), they state,

Fat taxes? Overweight people already pay more

Obesity is a growing financial burden for Britain. But being overweight could also affect your personal finances.

We can all guess the kind of person who talks about “personal finances” without screwing their lips together, hard.

The Guardian takes a different angle on these latest proposals to tell people how to live their lives:

Obese people and drug users who refuse treatment could have benefits cut

David Cameron launches review by Dame Carol Black of welfare for those with drug, alcohol or obesity problems.

So it’s not just those visits to Iceland for a stack of cheap burgers and a tub of ice-cream (breakfast), it’s our two litres of White Cider (lunch), and a spliff of skunk (tea) that they’re after.

The lives of those who like a drink, a bag of chips and some blow, are to be reformed.

One wonders what kind of record of our eating, drinking, and ingesting habits we’ll have to present to Coachey when we sign on,

This comment seems appropriate, “A Newfangled Nanny State? U.K. Government to Force Fat People to Lose Weight by .

Except that I, like just about everybody here, has never had a nanny and am not clear what they do.


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  1. What next? Accept ECT or lose benefits? Agree to experimental surgery or lose benefits? This is only the thin end of the wedge. The propaganda demonising Fat people now makes sense.

    For myself – my BMI becomes normal at under 11 stone. My healthy weight assessed by professionals at a National sports centre is 13stone 10lbs. The comment made was that at a healthy BMI I would be very underweight.

    These tactics date back to Victorian values and the Workhouse. Destroying the self worth of the ‘Lazy’ Unemployed. Are we all to be punished now, for being ‘Unproductive Eaters’?

    Just like Germany in the 1930s they started with the Disabled and now they are progressing on to all sectors of ‘THEIR’ society who do not exist for ‘THEIR’ benefit.


    July 31, 2015 at 12:02 pm

  2. Unum!

    Bill Kruse

    July 31, 2015 at 12:06 pm


    All Jobcentre Computer Administrators handling the obesity reduction programme to reformat all disks to FAT 32!

    FAT 32

    July 31, 2015 at 12:17 pm

  4. More info regarding what is coming soon.

    More patients could be denied NHS treatments as a result of cost-cutting by health authorities, with hearing aids, vasectomies and knee and hip operations among services set to be rationed in some areas.

    In some areas controversial requirements for smokers to give up and for obese people to lose weight before being offered certain surgical procedures, will be used to reduce costs.



    July 31, 2015 at 12:18 pm

    • Enigma have you thought how this could possibly affect us a few years in?? Accept these drugs for our arthritis or lose benefits?? Try this physio or lose benefits??
      Or am I being paranoid?? Seems to me they could be after every sick person soon!

      kat rehman

      July 31, 2015 at 5:43 pm

      • I have Kat, I often think about what may come in the future, they will go after every person who “they think” needs some form of treatment, of course it is hoped that a lot of people refuse treatment.

        We’re already talking meds for arthritis, but yes what’s next.


        July 31, 2015 at 6:09 pm

      • And yes, have lots of sleep while off work!


        July 31, 2015 at 7:03 pm

      • I think people have missed this point right from the beginning, that the government have clearly stated that those with ‘treatable illnesses’ who then go on to refuse such treatment, will have their benefits docked.

        So this isn’t some future measure, or just about claimants who are obese/alcoholics/drug users, it’s about ANY condition that the government says is ‘treatable’, which is a scary prospect with regard to what NICE say is the standard treatment for M.E./CFS/Fibromyalgia sufferers!


        August 2, 2015 at 8:50 am

      • I would broaden your train of thought sasson 1 as the plan is far bigger than even what you propose.


        August 3, 2015 at 10:23 am

  5. Eric pickles accept treatment or lose your expenses


    July 31, 2015 at 2:11 pm

    • Funny you say that as he himself berated the NHS on how they treat obese people so much so, he is trying to tackle it himself. He started last April 2014 which was about the time other ministers started making comments about him that found its way to the press.

      He is very obese, theres no doubting that but is he not an indictment to prove what the tories are saying about obese people isn’t true ?

      He works as does Chris Christie, Dick Cheney, Kathy Bates, John Goodman, Rebel Wilson and even James Corden so why on earth is this lame logic even being accepted by people ?


      July 31, 2015 at 5:43 pm

    • Thanks again enigma!!
      As to what we were saying, the system really has us in its grip. I have a friend who’s paranoid schizophrenic, when medicated he’s a fantastic person. Few years ago his sick benefits were removed. He found work but went into meltdown too many times and is now back on benefits, probably being forced to undergo jobcentre “support ” for his condition.
      As I said before and you agree, soon they’re gonna be gunning for all of us and under UC and increased conditionality lots more to us could be affected. We all know they start with the unemployed, the mentally ill and then…
      On that note I’ll get back to my holiday!!!!

      kat rehman

      August 1, 2015 at 9:44 am

  6. Lets see if I get this right, okay.

    Unemployed, getting pittance and unable to afford fresh stuff – you know the food that lets you lose weight as recommended by nuteritionist.

    So, DWP is going to insist you lose weight but not increase the money for the foods needed?

    Best of luck with that one. Obviously setting someone up to fail that is.

    I can just see it now :
    Advisor: “you need to lose weight!”
    Female Claimant: “so where s the money for the recommended foods going to come from, you know as its so expensive?
    Advisor: “I am registering a sanction doubt on your inablity to lose weight”
    Female Claimant: “I’m Preg….”
    Advisor: “It makes no difference….”


    July 31, 2015 at 3:03 pm

    • And the JC advisers who are over weight? tell them so!


      July 31, 2015 at 5:06 pm

      • Omg enigma I read the link u sent and NOW we get our entitlement but I’m told by the old hands who been there like 9 years that they didn’t use to.they had a week October half term and a week Feb half term and bank holidays but that was it. Then one of them moaned to HR and they were told they should have those weeks plus a minimum of 24 days!! And this was in school not some tin pot place!
        I actually get an extra 5 days now because of length of service.. However I will keep the link you sent and check with my friends and family they’re not being done. It’s awful what employers get up to!! I think basically in my place they thought the cleaners wouldn’t know or challenge the system. Far ascites know the cleaners didn’t get any compensation for all the lost holiday and extra work they did!!

        kat rehman

        August 1, 2015 at 7:26 pm

      • Yes, like the DWP, DWP think the unemployed don’t know and so won’t challenge the system, millions/billions of people being taken advantage of weather unemployed or not.


        August 1, 2015 at 7:43 pm

      • Your being paid while having your break. good for you.


        August 1, 2015 at 7:50 pm

  7. Tobanem,

    Off topic but I replied to your post on the last thread.


    July 31, 2015 at 5:45 pm

    • “gaia”, yes, and I replied to your reply – if we’re both still on the same subject!!!

      Let me change subject here, or rather let me post again a link about a petition re no confidence in IDS (in case people did not see it the first time round):



      July 31, 2015 at 6:39 pm

      • Signed with the greatest of pleasure!

        kat rehman

        August 1, 2015 at 9:47 am

    • Should read far as I know. No glasses or lenses..

      kat rehman

      August 1, 2015 at 7:28 pm

    • I’m actually lucky working for council. In my last job we didn’t get paid for holidays. Come to think of it we didn’t get paid. Our cheques kept bouncing. That was also where I was enduring daily sexual harassment….

      kat rehman

      August 2, 2015 at 12:14 pm

  8. Breaking News: Fat Fighters Awarded Jobcentre Contract in East Anglia!

    Andrew Coates

    August 1, 2015 at 10:03 am


    Now some may have noticed while others saw it as a holiday that I wasn’t as vocal yesterday as I normally am, well the previous day I got into a hot debate on a news site with what I thought at the time was the public only to find certain posts I posted based on documented history were instantly being withheld from publication under the banner of moderation just so the media website could fulfil its own agenda.

    Today they did a follow up piece concerning the publics replies and straight way did it again.

    Basically the other day chronicle live withheld 2 poignant posts for over 12 plus hours and then reposted them knowing the public had then stopped reading the article and commenting.

    There was no swearing, no anti Semitism and the post was me representing factually (often quoting German recorded history and law word for word as written) documented German history on eugenics post 1900s and the glaring similarity of todays governments so called PC welfare and health cuts.

    Now me personally i was never taught at school the true extent of German behaviour during WW2 as regards whom exactly were the victims and where it extended from, that being openly and accepted practice of eugenics and the rise of draconian treatments that followed.

    Today I also spoke before they instantly withdrew it for so called moderation the probability of cause as regards obesity prior to an individual taking responsibility. I spoke about the timeline of genetically modified food as regards it giving rise to ever greater food stocks and not withstanding the possible side effects towards todays ever growing medical issues that are not singularly that of obesity.

    I also spoke about the act of taking responsibility for ones own actions along with the public attitude to allow governments to act as they do just so we can all blame it on them when it all goes wrong and thus fuel exactly why our governments claim they need to nanny us, that we know nothing and to push one regulation after another under the banner of propaganda.

    I lastly put a post up lambasting them on the very fact, as yet they haven’t removed it but also haven’t repost my original post for today.

    We may think we have freedom of expression but when it comes to online, that’s only so if the website owner allows it and it doesn’t conflict with there self serving agendas.


    August 1, 2015 at 10:09 am

    • ffs gaia, you should know better than to post on any site that uses “moderation”.

      Hidden Agenda

      August 1, 2015 at 11:36 am

    • Ive also got more cases of welfare fraud committed by couples where one works but wasn’t declared along with failure to report assests.


      August 1, 2015 at 10:15 am

      • And thus proving my point that yet again like who claims the most welfare benefits is also responsible for the most welfare fraud committed, that being those in work.


        August 1, 2015 at 10:21 am

    • Gaia sounds like you too could do with a good sleep, after all the info you read then post on here.


      August 1, 2015 at 6:46 pm

  10. By that logic then, those of us who are UNDER-weight should get extra money! I’m 5′ 11″ and weigh less than 10 St.

    Starving Peasant

    August 1, 2015 at 11:07 am

  11. OT: Tories and Fraud


    Brit Gas investigated for possible corruption.

    Hmmm, gaia quite rightly pointed out the oddity of Tories looking into changing corruption Laws.

    Then this pops up… What could possibly be the connection I wonder?


    August 1, 2015 at 4:06 pm

  12. Reblogged this on Britain Isn't Eating.


    August 1, 2015 at 4:28 pm

  13. Back to computers!

    TAILS is apparently the best anonymous computer Operating System. It works on a live DVD/USB, loads onto the computer’s RAM, leaves no trace on the hard disk, and uses the Tor network.

    “According to a Der Spiegel article, the NSA itself declared TAILS a ‘major threat’ to its mission. That’s the best endorsement of Tails you can get in the 21st century”.

    Ok, it could be used by terrorists and perverts, but it can also be used by the rest of us!



    August 1, 2015 at 5:42 pm

  14. Employment Minister Priti Patel joins wizard of oz as the new wicked witch of welfare

    (article in the mirror)

    If Ester McVey wasn’t nasty enough as the previous welfare witch, Ms Patel certainly didn’t disappoint when she slipped right into Mcveys stolen red shoes after branding OAPS and disabled campaigners as, “a thuggish gang”.

    In a written letter she accused these people aged from mid 50s to late 70s of ­intimidation, harassment and thuggish behaviour.

    Perfectly mirroring Ester Mcvey in apathy the question now comes, will she also mirror her in the next local election ?


    August 2, 2015 at 2:06 am

  15. British Psychological Society brands plans to stop benefits for obesity and addiction ‘flawed and unethical’

    (article in the guardian)

    As I highlighted in recent posts on the chronicle live media website, Prof Jamie Hacker Hughes agrees also that treatment doesn’t work on unwilling subjects and also like me questions medical ethics as regards gaining lawful implicit consent.

    The public on the other hand however still assume being over weight is all about self control along with deliberately ignoring the fact that the cost to the NHS is largely dew to yet again, those in work and teenagers binge drinking, another mirror effect I witnessed on chronicle live.

    Binge drinking is a far worse problem and cost burden not just to the NHS but also law enforcement, courts and prisons yet not a single soul including media have mentioned it.


    On obesity there’s many more reasons for people ending up that way than simply eating to much and it appears from my research to coincide with the growth of genetically modified food which may possibly also link it to other health problems that have become an epidemic since the late 90s.


    August 2, 2015 at 3:15 am

  16. Eugenics in the 21st century

    On July 14th 1933, the then Nazi government passed a new law whereby people who are “hereditarily ill” must be compulsively sterilized. In this definition was included anyone affected by “congenital feeble mindedness”; schizophrenia; manic depression, hereditary epilepsy, blindness or deafness, Huntington’s disease, serious physical deformities or chronic alcoholism.

    This law was based on the idea that all these conditions are genetic and that these genes cannot be allowed to be passed on.
    The text of the law stated “where as the hereditary healthy families have for the most part adopted a policy of having one or two children, countless numbers of inferiors and those suffering from hereditary conditions are reproducing unrestrainedly while their sick and asocial offspring burden the community.”

    (Taken from Persecution Of Disabled People In Nazi Germany – Zoe Gross)

    Employment schemes Nazi Germany

    Many people had voted for Hitler because he had promised to end unemployment. Once the Nazi Party came to power everyone had to work. Between 1933 and 1939, unemployment fell from six million in 1933 to 100,000. Trade unions were banned and wages were fixed and not up for negotiation.

    Workers lost their rights and were often sent to work on heavy manual labour schemes for low pay.

    The unemployed were given a very simple choice: do whatever work is given to you by the government or be classed as “arbeiten schüchtern” (translated means work-shy) and put in a concentration camp.

    So tell me, see any glaring similarities to todays tory PC cuts to both welfare and healthcare ?


    August 2, 2015 at 3:34 am

    • A lot of people see that there is hardly a difference in the Nazi’s policies to the policies of today.


      August 2, 2015 at 10:06 am

      • Actually your wrong enigma, after the MP Mr Lavery recently stated it to media, it caused instant reactions from the public saying how dare he compare treatment of people on benefits with the treatment the Jews got at the hands of the Nazi’s.

        As I think I said on another post here, most people weren’t taught about all the victims who suffered at the hands of the Nazi,s so cant see what I termed glaring similarities.

        So its hardly surprizing they instantly jumped to the wrong conclusion even though Mr Lavery never once mentioned Jews in his speech.

        The public like government are doing what all people do when money gets tight, they look to blame other people because,

        A: they either cant deal with the power and influence of the banks and greedy rich investors or,

        B: Are right in bed with them.

        Its the usual knee jerk recession reaction to lash out at those that cant defend themselves all for the sake of false comfort.

        Its not mainstream media yet but already some economists are realising capitalism is drawing the an end as technology replaces us every moment of the day, how investors see less and less opportunities in real life so are putting all into the internet. To cut a long story short, there’s little need to create physical products and services for people who wont have an income to spend on it eventually.

        I’ve tried for years to get people to see we need to regulate technology in the workplace but have even here at one point either been ignored or laughed at.


        August 2, 2015 at 3:09 pm

      • My mistake was the word “see” when it should have been the word “think” but as time goes on into the future well I won’t say anymore regarding what I can imagine what is ahead.


        August 2, 2015 at 4:23 pm

      • What’s wrong most certainly isn’t your choice of words, nor the publics ill informed response,

        this wrong clearly lays with propagandised education in all our early years. Sadly also neither are our recessional responses as its inherent in all species to do so in times of scarcity. I’m not saying that absolves it but it does prove humans are as much still an animal as any other that walks or swims this planet.

        Before the law of man will always be the law of nature.


        August 2, 2015 at 5:25 pm

      • The Jews and any other undesirables to the Nazi’s who ended up in gas chambers on an industrial scale, today there are no gas chambers, at least that we know of, but policies around the world are driving millions of undesirables to suicide.


        August 2, 2015 at 9:46 pm

      • “at least that we know of” – how to you know that the DWP aren’t shipping claimants off to gas chambers in Eastern Europe or some place – you don’t!

        Seimens Gas Chambers

        August 4, 2015 at 8:47 am

      • Well seimans gas chambers its because we don’t smell of France or aren’t beige and have a beard.


        August 4, 2015 at 12:14 pm

    • Just to keep the interested update, chronicle live 2 days on have still not posted my post on eugenics post 1900, they even haven’t bothered to inform me why.

      I tried again today but it appears now all my posts are up for moderation, hmmm not really biased.


      August 3, 2015 at 11:31 am


    Lords urged to act swiftly on scandals (BBC)

    Prime minister WILL hand out House of Lords peerages to super-rich Tory donors (mirror)

    I will let you draw your own conclusions.


    August 2, 2015 at 3:42 am

  18. What about the big fat bastards that work in Jobcentres? They are so fucking lazy that if the printer within easy reach of the swivel chair is busy they will just sit on their ginormous fucking arse because using another printer would mean having to move their great big fucking fat arse out of the chair it is stuck in and waddling a couple of metres to collect the prints from the available printers. Jobcentre staff are SERIOUSLY fucking FAT! They must weight a fucking tonne!

    Jobcentre staff are fat bastards

    August 2, 2015 at 6:53 am

    • They will only get away with it until they too become unemployed.


      August 2, 2015 at 5:03 pm

      • And in some cases it will be like calling the kettle black.

        Can you imagine when an overweight advisor who’s failed many a diet has to deliver that speech to a claimant if it ever gets passed.


        August 2, 2015 at 5:27 pm

      • I would like to see the look on the advisers face when they too are over weight, if I was overweight and was told by an adviser who was also overweight I would tell them they too should lose weight. which I suspect every over weight person will say to those advisers.


        August 2, 2015 at 9:38 pm

  19. I have informed DWP of my ongoing health issue – specifically my digestion system goes off for on average 3/4 days at a time [a couple upto 5 days]. So as a result unable to sleep due to severe backingup/bloated stomach, fainting spells etc.

    Really really Looking forward to DWP staff assuming ‘Personal’ responsiblity for diagnosis, and treatment and all that goes with that.

    What’s the bet that suddenly for me this all becomes “Asperational”?


    August 2, 2015 at 7:22 pm

    • I told advisers about my rheumatoid arthritis 3 years ago, last year on ESA, my first seeing a so called heath adviser stated that my condition was now on my records on their computers, meanwhile ever since then I sometimes can’t sign my name normally because of a swollen hand, they wonder why my hand is swollen, they don’t know because my records do not state anything about my condition on computer. however some of the jobs that I used to be able to do I no longer have to apply for, an adviser did tell me I shouldn’t have applied for one of the jobs I applied for – only after I told her and showed her my hands.


      August 2, 2015 at 10:43 pm

      • I am probably the worst kind of claimant for DWP what with there stupid work capability test as I don’t ever complain about any illnesses or injuries and insist on JSA when claiming.

        We all know you cant fit the JSA conditions if your ill or injured but my answer is every time they tried to sign me off JSA in the past was to say to them, “what’s the point of signing me off JSA to claim what ever incapacity benefit, I will only sail the test and be right back here backdated claim and all not to mention I wont be under any conditions at the time so please do sign me off JSA as your be doing me a favour”.

        It winds them up no end knowing im taunting and making fun of them about there own stupid rules they cant do jack diddly about and boy do I love every moment of it as if they relent and bend the rules even in the slightest, it will open up the floodgates for others who have been put on JSA after being assessed after being on other benefits before.


        August 2, 2015 at 11:19 pm

      • gaia

        know what you mean. I was “Advised”, to sign off myself and then claim disability – what they forgot to say is that if you do that you lose a weeks money as its you doing it not them – its part of their regulations buried somewhere.

        From that point on I’ve had silence on the matter.

        I go for jobs but make DWP know [did I accidently record that – ooops] everything they need to know as will prospective employers. And no more.


        August 3, 2015 at 1:39 am

      • Its like what constitutes as vulnerable as regards being homeless along with this did the person make themselves intentionally homeless, I ask you, who on earth ever wants to be homeless and by being homeless, how can you not be vulnerable.

        The more rules they make, the bigger the hole they dig.


        August 3, 2015 at 10:30 am

      • How the fuck can you possibly have ‘vulnerable’ and ‘non-vulnerable’ homeless ffs! If you are homeless you are vulnerable by definition.

        On The Streets

        August 3, 2015 at 11:34 am

      • It is not entirely clear if this unfortunate man was homeless or was merely camping, but it acts as a salutary warning. Homeless people are being attacked, spat on, abused, sexually assaulted and murdered all the time. It is a national fucking disgrace!

        Police launch murder investigation after camper’s body is recovered from Renfrewshire stream


        August 3, 2015 at 11:41 am

      • Enigma I’m thinking of u, I know too what living with this bloody rheumatoid arthritis is like!!

        kat rehman

        August 3, 2015 at 12:49 pm

      • Yes Kat, I still get asked what’s wrong with my hands, not that they want you to tell them what the issue is, the word “disability” well you know.


        August 3, 2015 at 1:15 pm

  20. Remember my recent post on the Adam Smith Institute stating benefits should be limited to five years as that’s how they do it in America and I posted there site highlighting the major problem of homelessness in the states which still to this date they haven’t bothered to reply.


    August 2, 2015 at 11:25 pm

    • Its amazing how everyone complains but completely ignores the causes of this growing homelessness isn’t it, even here.

      You can see they all want to say kill them all or lock them up in prisons but know they would get so slated if they did not to mention have to face a charge of crimes against humanity not withstanding a charge of false imprisonment let alone technically a charge of kidnapping.

      You see however they try and skirt it, it all still looks like Germany post 1900s and nothing more than todays PC version of eugenics.


      August 2, 2015 at 11:35 pm

      • Sorry, by even here I meant the UK.


        August 4, 2015 at 12:16 pm

  21. BMI is a lazy way to determine weight if you do alot of phsyical work and end up built like a brick house (muscle not fat) they will still turn around and call you obese because bmi does not factor in body fat to muscle ratio or lifestyle

    random bloke

    August 3, 2015 at 6:25 am

    • Yep, very true random bloke.

      The measure really needs to be how does weight put a strain on our internal organs like say the heart for example as what hangs out isn’t the issue, its what pushes against and surrounds that causes the problems that follow.

      Interestingly though in the case of bodybuilders that’s also not as healthy as people may think. We know body mass is by natures design indicative to bone mass but what with the entrance of sports supplements we have allowed people to essentially buck natures directive.

      This is why your seeing perfectly fit people dropping dead or suffering medical complications as a result.


      August 3, 2015 at 10:40 am

  22. Landlords threatened with five years prisons if not dealing with illegal immigrants.

    Snap, in this comes but where’s the law threatening landlords who have for years now handed out short term rent agreements and fail to deal with there responsibility as regards keeping such accommodation in a fit and healthy state instead of evicting renters that bring up matters such as mold, faulty boilers, etc. (revenge eviction).

    Its an indictment that the Tories only act when it costs them the most along with how happy they are for homelessness figures to be incorrect.

    And while we are on the subject, why remove housing benefit for under 25s along with heavy funding reductions for places like YMCA, shelter, etc when even with the incorrect figures, over half of homeless people are under that very age ?

    Also why is it completely unacceptable for adults to take there kids out of school for a holiday prior to school taking the summer break yet completely acceptable for families to have to move there children to multiple schools dew to evictions. On average such kids miss 11 weeks of schooling a year. And when I say multiple schools im not talking 1 but in some of the case I have infront of me as many as seven times and that’s only to this point as we will have to see dew to short term tenancy agreements have to weight to see if its 8 and or 9 times.

    The Tories and Labour don’t give a stuff about our kids beyond using them as cash cows for debt and estimated future labour figures for taxes to justify the continuance of an unsustainable pension system.


    August 3, 2015 at 11:06 am

    • I have no idea why suchgroups are ultimately being targetted but it is plain as day what the outcome in many cases will be down the line:

      1. increased homelessness.
      2. increased street crime [making people morefearful and ameniable to increased police powers]
      3. dare, I say maybe just naybe also a increase of unwanted sexual activity under the radar? Look how long its taken for the current scandels to come to light… now if you’re homeless and seen as unreliable [accused of drinking/drug taking perhaps to taint claims?]
      4. increased pressure on not so worse off to toe the line

      you get the picture


      August 3, 2015 at 11:52 am

  23. ‘Britain’s generous welfare system behind pupils’ lack of ambition,’ say Chinese teachers


    NOW, read this, all of this and while doing so remember to keep newton’s 3rd law of motion in your mind (for every action there’s an equal and opposite reaction).


    “So only poor kids act out hey” ?

    Chinese propaganda’s still alive I see.

    These Chinese teachers just prove by such a statement how unequipped they are to be ever considered competent to teach as this do or die attitude they preach is precisely why there countries in the state its in constantly censoring anything that represents fun and freedom which sees billions of there youth adopt serious computer skills to thwart china’s government to suck the life out of them all for the sake of Serfdom.

    I think considering they use to breed like rabbits so much so that not only did they run out of land, they had to introduce a one child law that has now created an imbalance in genders not to mention they kill anything that opposes them, I don’t think I will be taking any advice from them any time soon.


    August 3, 2015 at 1:17 pm

  24. A campaign group working to protect the NHS have hit out at Employment Minister Priti Patel, after she allegedly described members that gathered at her office – some of whom were elderly and or disabled – as a “thuggish gang”.

    Members of the People’s NHS gathered outside Ms Patel’s constituency HQ in Witham, Essex, to urge her to protect the NHS against the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnerships which they fear will lead to the health service being privatised.



    August 3, 2015 at 7:50 pm

    • If you look up the thread enigma, I posted it the other day using the wicked witch of the wizard of oz gag.


      August 4, 2015 at 8:48 am

    • Off topic but enigma this one’s for you. Are you familiar with microcytic anaemia?? Wish I wasn’t but I’ve been feeling really ill for ages and I’ve just been diagnosed. Apparently rheumatoid arthritis sufferers can be more prone to it.
      Appointment Thursday to find out more. Just hope you aren’t affected..

      kat rehman

      August 4, 2015 at 6:00 pm

  25. The Government announced in March 2015 that it would be purchasing supported
    online CBT for claimants of Employment and Support Allowance and Jobseeker’s
    Allowance; and Fit for Work users. The service will not necessarily be delivered in
    jobcentres, and there are no companies providing this service in jobcentres at the

    The Department does not recommend any companies to benefits claimants. We
    advise people about support available through the NHS Improving Access to
    Psychological Therapies (IAPT) services. Information about providers of those
    services is available on local NHS websites.



    August 3, 2015 at 8:48 pm

    • Ah,

      The attempted distancing themselves from any potential blowback WHEN someone gets hurt from this rubbish.

      Sorry, not going to work – if it is not part of the service, it cannot be offered via the office os DWP.
      If it is supported, that is tacit support with all the problems that entail.

      You can see it now:

      DWP :Your Honour we do not support the provision of these services
      Solicitor: But it is allowed to be advertised on your premises is it not?
      DWP: Er…. yes… is that the time, must go….

      So this scheme is either alive – DWP/Gov on the hook
      Or just its another “Asperation”…


      August 4, 2015 at 4:37 am

    • This is why I brought up the fit for work post the other day so people could warn there friends and family who work that its not mandatory so not regulated and requires implicit consent.

      I reported how it appears employers are lying as there introducing it with threats of the sack on grounds of misconduct. I urged all employees to say NO THANKS.

      as the employer cant do jack diddly about it. All my circle who work have already said not interested and reported back how pissed of as they told there mates and family employers are there all doing it on mass.

      That’s why I put a massive shout out to you guys to tell all your family and friends that work.

      As things stand regarding claimants, they can do the same.


      August 4, 2015 at 8:54 am


    Your all going to hear about a claimant who’s stated he spends his dole on hookers, well It actually broke yesterday in


    But as I thought the Chinese story was more important didn’t cover it at the time besides sending a stinging complaint to the Croydon news media website.

    Basically I asked the fundamental question how on gods green earth did you ever hear about this as its not like he’s in court for fraud or leaked it to advisors at his local DWP.

    As you can imagine like the adam smith institute and chronicle live problems I had, this rag as yet to give me a good response.

    This story is quite simply a plant designed to sucker the ever ignorant working public into assuming all claimants do it and as of today now sees the national media spreading it like a case of STDs to the wider audience.

    I also scoffed at them about how but not directly can they ever suggest he’s not looking for work as in, were they saying hookers spend all day with there clients all for the sake of £50,
    I know work is tight but not that tight.

    Basically at best he probably if at all true got maybe 3 shags a week which by looking at him probably lasted all for about half an hour a time and that’s being kind.
    So there’s 168 hours in a week, he shagged maybe in total for an hour and a half. Do the math as I fail to see how he couldn’t do that while still looking for work especially considering DWP states claimants must look for work 35 hours a week.

    Knowing DWP however I would imagine there when trying to find ways to sanction him use the working week calculation not to mention along with not reporting a change of circumstances, namely his condoms.

    (Brought to you by, “THATS A FACT JACK”)


    August 4, 2015 at 10:28 am

  27. OT. I applied for ESA on 28 of March This year. The form was received in the Medical Advisory Service office on 6 April. I phoned their freephone number today on 08002888777 this morning. They still cannot give me a date for my medical. BTW they have linked it to the PIP/ESA claim I made 2 years ago.


    August 20, 2015 at 9:24 am

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