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As Government makes young people work for greedy employers for next to nothing, areas in which PWPS claimants can be referred to Community Work Placements (CWP).

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Hat-tip J.J.Loop.

The government hasn’t waited before outlining its scheme to make young people work for greedy employers and ‘charities’  for nothing.

 Unemployed in Tyne and Wear report today,

Thousands could lose benefits in Government plan to end youth unemployment

Thousands of unemployed young people across the North East could be stripped of benefits under tough plans in the Government’s Queen’s Speech.

David Cameron insisted the crackdown was designed to end youth unemployment, as he set out his plans in the House of Commons.

But Labour MPs said the plans effectively meant young people would be forced to work for as little as less than £2 an hour – payment far below the minimum wage.

But the background is the same for all of us ne’er do wells.

They will extend these schemes to us all.


They are beginning to outline their plans.

From here.

Dear Department for Work and Pensions,

In your response to the following FoI request:

you provide a document entitled “SR13 HtW Implementation Memo 026
CWP contingency 2014 12 05.pdf ” which details which areas can
mandate PWPS claimants whose return date from the WP was pre 28
April 2014 to attend a CWP.

Please provide all the information you hold which details actual or
proposed plans for further expansion of this to other areas
including which areas will be affected and when.

Also provide any information you hold which clarifies exactly which
part of the SR13 conditionality enforces the sending of PWPS
claimants who returned from the WP before 28 April 2014 to CWPs.

Yours faithfully,

Stephanie Herne.

This is clearly workfare – work for your pittance of a dole.

More here:

1. Post Work Programme Support (PWPS) applies to those claiming JSA at the point their Work Programme participation ends.
2. For such claimants, a nominated contact in each District Office will receive a LMS MIS report 10 working days before the due completion date and,following locally agreed protocols, ensure:

Written by Andrew Coates

May 30, 2015 at 2:55 pm

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  1. Reblogged this on Britain Isn't Eating.


    May 30, 2015 at 3:28 pm

  2. 8. For the duration of PWPS (26 weeks)

    That’s not true. I was told i would be on it until i sign off perhaps unsurprisingly,most people i have seen on this so called support have been poor education disabled or older people.this sums it up perfectly and precedes the parliamentary inquiry into activities of jobcentreplus.



    May 30, 2015 at 4:10 pm

  3. It sure does sums it up.

    We’ll be stepping up the pressure on claimants, who will be expected to attend the Jobcentre more frequently, with rigorous monitoring to ensure they are doing everything they can to find work.”

    Claimants will be expected to undertake training (even if unnecessary), join unpaid schemes and do anything else that will make the government look good, regardless of whether it is beneficial to the long-term unemployed the government are supposed to be helping.

    If claimants do not comply, they risk losing their benefits for up to 3 years; a ridiculous policy that is bound to drive some people to crime, particularly theft and burglary.

    The government hopes that the moves will impress the voters and convince them that ministers are taking action against so called “scroungers”.

    In short, those leaving the Work Programme can expect very little in the way of help and a great deal of bullying and intimidation instead.

    TheOpinionSite.org contacted the Department of Work & Pensions (DWP) in the hope that some light could be cast upon these extraordinary measures that are quite clearly political in nature and have nothing whatsoever to do with getting people back into work


    May 30, 2015 at 4:25 pm

    • This is about right isn’t it.

      However, on condition of remaining anonymous, one DWP source did tell us that the measures are in fact not so much designed to get people back into work as to make it so unpleasant for them on benefit that they will simply opt out of the benefit system altogether, even if that means turning to crime or some other way of making money in order to survive.


      May 30, 2015 at 4:29 pm

      • like to see um try it with me o they did and failed every single time.
        cant fkn wait to get back down there n give um some stick 😉

        super ted

        May 30, 2015 at 9:56 pm

      • I finished the wp before 28 April 2014, so I guess I’ll be put on cwp now. But I won’t be signing a fkn thing. I will make it clear to the jc and the pimp that I will not be refusing to attend, I just won’t be signing anything. That’s all. And as things stand, if you don’t sign anything they can’t pimp you out.

        Anyone here know how they’ll react if you refuse to sign their paperwork? I’m sure they won’t take my refusal to sign, lying down.

        kki (kitchen knife incident)

        May 31, 2015 at 3:29 pm

      • i just got sent a failed to attend letter as thats all they can do to try a sanction, it failed every single time as i kept proof i did turn up.they failed not me 😉
        they tried it with me for 5 years and never lost a sanction doubt n will be the same for the next 5 years as im worthless to the pimps, not that any will keep me now anyway ill just be refer back to the jcp every time now imo.
        i came they saw i kicked there ass 😉

        super ted

        May 31, 2015 at 7:59 pm

      • super ted – if only more people would follow your example then the pimps would go out of business. Was your failed to attend for a 6 month cwp? My adviser told me last week he was considering referring me to a 4 week mwa. We shall see.

        kki (kitchen knife incident)

        June 1, 2015 at 7:10 am

      • Like jj joop I have started recording my interviews. I would advise everyone to do it.

        kki (kitchen knife incident)

        June 1, 2015 at 7:12 am

      • I think your going to find it a different kettle of fish this time round.

        This doesn’t mean that providers aren’t answerable to other laws so still may require a contract.

        The best way to know is to ask anyone currently on the work programme as I doubt anyones been sent for a double round yet. They can say whether or not a contract/paperwork makes mention of data protection and processing. The other consideration might be regarding health and safety so ask if this contract/paperwork makes mention of that aswell.

        You see under the HASAWA this provider must make you aware of things like fire escape location, rally fire points, where the fire hydrant are and what does what. So to comply with the law they must demonstrate evidence that they at least demonstrated to you where such information is located which must be accessible to all so it cant be in a locked cupboard for instance. The common way to demonstrate this is to include it in a contract but again they may have found the other ways this is possible to achieve.

        Regardless of whether or not they do, please remember your still duty bound as you are with murder laws to follow its dictation. This still doesn’t remove the obligation I mentioned above as regards the provider if you are liable to spend any considerable time on there premise like job search for instance.


        June 1, 2015 at 12:07 pm

      • mine was for mwa but to date i haver never been shown where any fire escape is and fire points or any thing like that by any provider.they just dont bother with it.

        most time just get a bit of paper to tick of that we have been shown this and that but none never bothered to do any of it as they just wanted it signed assap , i refused every single time.

        super ted

        June 1, 2015 at 12:22 pm

      • Yes and that tick is a form of proof employers need. They don’t have to show you directly super ted but must make available such material which usually comes in the form of a binder/folder that must be accessible all the time while at work.

        If as you described it, it says” you have been shown” and you haven’t then don’t tick it as that’s a fraudulent statement not that I feel you need to know that super ted so imagine you didn’t tick it but none the less may benefit some of our new claimants or the less informed.

        Its not hard to comply with the act as like I said providers/employers don’t have to show you physically, an accessible folder containing the information is good enough providing its current (in date) and correct.

        To be honest super ted the real problem is how providers are now legally classed as Second parties even though there contractors of the government meaning they nolonger need a claimants consent to process data. The only sticking point remaining that I know IDS is trying to remedy is the classification of the people your placed with as there still considered third parties meaning they still have to seek your consent to process information back to the provider.

        Basically IDS is attempting to try and get actual placement employers classified as contractors in the same way providers are viewed so as to circumnavigate this issue.

        Im about to put another post up about how there flaunting the data protection act even before you actually make a claim for benefits that you might find interesting.


        June 1, 2015 at 3:46 pm

      • all the providers will get info wise is what the jcp have name addr ni number thats it. made sure of that long ago.

        arm still broken atm so will be a while till i have to deal with them again. cant wait 😉

        super ted

        June 1, 2015 at 4:22 pm

      • From the Provider Guidance

        “Notification of Start

        4.3 You have up to 20 working days from the date of referral by the
        Jobcentre Plus work coach to start the claimant on a work placement.

        4.4 A claimant is defined as ‘starting’ once they attend their placement.
        You must ensure that the claimant has started on the placement and be able
        to provide written evidence of this should DWP request it as part of payment
        and validation action. As a minimum you must:

         ensure the placement organisation has confirmed they are able to
        provide the placement for the required duration;
         have written evidence that the claimant has attended the placement;
         ensure the claimant has completed any necessary induction and health
        and safety requirements; and
         ensure the claimant is aware of the standards of behaviour, their
        responsibilities and required attendance arrangements and emergency

        4.5 Only when you can confirm that the conditions at paragraph 4.4
        have been met may you register the start on PRaP.”

        Meaning if you don’t tick/sign any of the provider’s health and safety shit they can’t prove jack-shit and they sure as hell ain’t getting paid 😀


        June 1, 2015 at 4:26 pm

      • “8.3 When you enter the MWA placement start date onto PRaP, you are declaring all activities at paragraph 4.4 have been completed and are available for evidencing should they be requested by DWP.
        Once the start date has been entered onto PRaP, this will trigger a payment to be made via Bankers’ Automated Clearing Services (BACS). DWP will validate payments
        periodically throughout the life of the contract.”

        And ker-fucking-ching goes the fucking provider’s till or NOT!! 😀


        June 1, 2015 at 4:29 pm

      • Same goes for the fucking ‘mandatory’ 😀 ‘time-sheets’ at the placement. No doubt so that the fucking placement provider can claim the fucking £wonga£. Yes, the c!”£$ get paid for taking on free labour!


        June 1, 2015 at 4:33 pm

      • As loophole kindly posted it states provide written evidence but what does that mean exactly, the provider doesn’t need your consent to enter a start date for instance but more importantly it doesn’t imply it requires anything where your consent must be gained, for all we know its a report they make out and lets not forget the phrase, “should DWP request “.

        If DWP can explain away not giving disability payments for in excess of 8 months, there not going to have much trouble explaining why they took longer than you were at the providers let alone placement to go and check.

        Lets not forget, DWPs reform is totally reliant on contractors and we all witnessed how ATOS ran for the hills the moment they got felt under the collar so DWP simply couldn’t afford to lose big providers who are the only ones there giving the contracts to, citing size and capability as the reason for ignoring small organisations who bid.

        Aswell if DWP leave it to the bitter end and it isn’t considered evidence then not only did they still screw the claimant over but can now have to not pay the provider.

        Lastly but not least lets not forget how fraudulent certain providers were during the work programme, claiming results that simply weren’t true inorder to gain payment, that s this so called evidence listed in 4.4.


        June 1, 2015 at 7:09 pm

  4. Reblogged this on sdbast.


    May 30, 2015 at 6:21 pm

  5. David Camoron is asking the british people if they want stay in the European Union without actually asking the british people even if they want to vote on this!

    Camoron doing it AGAIN, for things the british public that NO ONE ASKED FOR!

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    May 30, 2015 at 6:50 pm

  6. For the first time in history slaves have to house, clothe, feed, pay for transport, rent, taxes, for themselves, whilst working in slavery.

    Even the Nazis did not do that with the forced unemployment and then the forced labour in firms or labour camps.

    Workfare steals jobs from the lowest waged or lowest self employed and costs tht etaxpayer more money than just paying people the benefit, from the costs of work programmes, workfare privder companies and any other costs given to the companies who take on workfare staff.

    Charities taking on workfare staff are merely icnreasing starvation, not alleviating it.

    As this includes older workers hit by the raised retirement age and the coming wipe out of their state pension as new pensioners from next year by the merger of SERPs opt out and National Insurance history, wiping each other out, we see the return of the Victorian world.

    Work til you die or starve if you can’t forever in old age.
    Lowest forecast seen so far is £8.39 per week after 45 years in work.


    But if the state pension had been paid in full, irregardless of NI history, to all pensioners and continues to be so from next year, then it is pensioners who shop in the high street the most.

    More shoppers, more business, more youth jobs.

    More business rates to cash strapped councils instead of the growth of empty shops left vacant for years.

    If the councils turned some of these vacant shops into one bedroomed social housing, so nil Bedroom Tax and lowest council tax, then the paid waged youth workers would eat ifrom the hot take away shops and cheap cafes in the town centre.

    Thus granting business rates to councils and VAT to the government from buying condoms and lubricants, hot take away food, crisps, sweets, cakes, coffee and tea in shops, and alcohol and cigarettes duty.

    The lights on bicycles have VAT.

    The dog food has VAT.

    It would be nice if our feudal aristocratic politicians actually understood capitalism.

    Instead of a feudal mindset of 1 per cent rich and 99 per cent Serfdom.

    A rich man has said recently, that there has never been a society in the history of the world that has survived extreme inequality, in other words most poor and the tiny minority of super rich getting richer.

    It is not the rich making us poor.

    But the rich politicians, who are indeed a burden on the 100 per cent taxpayer, that includes everyone on any kind of benefit.

    That includes people not thought on benefit.

    In good paid jobs, who get child tax credits or elder care NI credits.

    Tax relief on anything. Yet even there the first thing the Tories did was reduce tax relief on wealthy folk putting money into a pension, so immediately betraying their loyal grey vote in a matter of days.


    Hit the red button.


    May 30, 2015 at 11:57 pm

  7. Tens of thousands of children face being plunged into poverty by government plans to lower the household benefit cap, leaked advice to ministers shows.



    May 31, 2015 at 11:06 am

    • The high court has ordered an urgent judicial review into the benefit cap and its impact on disabled people and their carers, it has been announced today.

      A claim by Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith to have the case dismissed was unsuccessful and the High Court ruled that the case should proceed to a full hearing, no later than October this year (2015).

      The judgement comes soon after the Supreme Court ruled that the benefit cap breached children’s rights, meaning it could result in them not receiving “adequate food, clothing, warmth and housing, the basic necessities of life”.



      May 31, 2015 at 11:20 am

      • This is all very, but wtf has it got to do with: “As Government makes young people work for greedy employers for next to nothing, areas in which PWPS claimants can be referred to Community Work Placements (CWP).”

        Please stay on message.

        kki (kitchen knife incident)

        June 1, 2015 at 11:34 am

  8. Leading employers prefer value work experience among graduates over grades, says new research


    Would they like us to suck there di*ks more while we are at it. One minute there saying we cant speak properly and or cant add, now its work experience. Considering there the wealth creator as they claim and think, they shouldn’t need to worry about such things what with being the bread winner, they can do it all themselves right or are they conceding that many hands and feet actually create the wealth they lay claim to meaning we generate our own wealth and in turn there’s beyond what is reasonable (£20’000 per annum) ?

    While I don’t doubt an employer creates the opportunity based on an idea and a loan, they certainly don’t create the actual mass, that’s what employees are for and basic math and science prove that as a fundamental principle.

    While I certainly agree education needs substance in the form of time spent in trade be it prior or while studying, I don’t agree in 2 people doing the same job but at different rates of pay when in the lower to no skill required bracket as I don’t agree the same again but this time different rates based on age.

    Age and or a lack of experience is these sectors is just an exploitive way for employers not to have to pay the min wage plain and simply and I will demonstrate.

    It takes say around a minute (more like 30 seconds) to teach anyone to use a broom. It takes say 5 minutes to show anyone where storage is and where said produce will go for sale and about and extra 2 mintues to demonstrate how to build and collapse a mate (cage).

    When I was still at school and laws didn’t age restrict employment I worked at a supermarket called waitrose. I got half a days training then that was it, not once after that was I trained one single thing. I was even at that time paid the exact same wage as everyone else regardless of age, hell even the half a day training was paid at the same rate.

    Now somehow supermarkets insists that in todays society you require longer training periods yet as I have seen and even experienced temporally absolutely nothing has really changed besides governments regulating this and that meaning each task takes a little longer maybe but with the advent of modern technology offsets itself and actually saves time so if anything is easier than its ever been.

    Another important factor employer conveniently neglect is the fact the cost of living doesn’t change dependant on age so rent for say a 17 year old or an apprentice younger than 18 or 19 and over and in there first year is exactly the same as an adult with experience who works full time. Go near anyway and your never see a price tier for these groups and even when you do like say McDonalds its usually 5 to 10% off but only if you buy a meal and not just one burger or drink so basically they off set the so called saving by forcing the individual to buy more products which you know when McDonalds goes to a wholesaler the more you buy, the cheaper the rate to be paid so in effect are just offering what they saved meaning there not actually offering you anything that cost them so you could say there offering free thin air.

    You know I have to wonder, if we as a country made the min wage the same irrespective of age,made apprenticeships and work experience pay the min wage again irrespective of age, what would be the true picture in our working society ?

    I guess less people would be employed and or profits shrink.

    I wonder if this was the case, would employers worry about experience like they never use to back in the day for low to none skilled work. To further recant an experience I once worked as a civil servant for the then inland revenue (now HMRC), I got 15 minutes training quite literally, had no prior experience and the job wasn’t even advertised as either trainee or apprentice type position. I again got the same wage as everyone else bar those that had served longer.

    In short and summing up, all this effort on apprenticeships and work experience and saying everyone should volunteer is for the better part a cost saving exercise and not just for employers.

    To continue


    May 31, 2015 at 11:26 am

    • Employers prefer an endless stream of free workers doing ‘work experience’, rather than someone already qualified and experienced that they might have to pay. – Shock horror!

      Another Fine Mess

      May 31, 2015 at 1:12 pm

    • It has been going on for years, take your qualifications off you CV, volunteering is good for you because it will lead to paid employment, so the more you spend as a volunteer the better.


      May 31, 2015 at 2:15 pm

      • If only enigma, my CV of late is slaughtered in voluntary work and any interview I go to simply refuses to acknowledge it like paid work, they don’t even bother to contact them as ive checked in my various cases.

        Other than something to do any voluntary I have done or am doing has been precisely no help at all.

        Besides this, doesn’t it say somewhere on DWPs paperwork that placements cant be used for the purpose of gaining references or recent work history ?


        June 1, 2015 at 12:15 pm

      • Gaia, I meant (volunteering and quals off a CV), not from me but from JC advisers, and of course those who want everyone to do this, I too have spent over 20 years volunteering but still I am unemployed, I still volunteer in the local food bank and still that doesn’t mean anything to the DWP or any employer as you know.

        It does say that volunteering can be used for the purpose gaining references but as above it doesn’t do any good as in the case of placements.


        June 1, 2015 at 12:29 pm

      • But yes, if only.


        June 1, 2015 at 12:39 pm

      • mwa can not be used to gain recent work experience its on pg 2 of the mwa tool kit tho my adviser took no notice of this and done it anyway. and back fired big time.

        also no employer will take a voluntary job as a reference as its not paid work so its a waste of time putting them on a cv as it just makes it worse the more you do. or forced to do anyway as thats what the employer will think of it.

        was the same when i was on the work force years ago tried to get an agency work with the ref i got from that and told as it was not paid work it was no good as a ref so no job and would not even put me on the books either.
        n that was 10 years ago.

        super ted

        June 1, 2015 at 12:40 pm

      • I know what you mean super ted. as above


        June 1, 2015 at 12:46 pm

  9. What the government doesn’t want parents to know and the press are reluctant todate to cover.

    So far what you do know is that the government want to remove housing benefit to under 21s and are increasing the amount of apprenticeships. What you DONT know however is it comes at a price.
    The government has stated, “it will end the something for nothing culture” yet with the same dirty mouth intend themselves to do exactly that to parents.

    Naturally if they go ahead with both plans they are expecting parents to house these under 21s. Well what hasn’t been mentioned is that by parents doing so it will instantly affect there respective tax credits and any other benefit they may be claiming. You see parents are imagining because its government driven that its ‘approved training’ when infact its actually classed as only ’employed’.

    This means the government not only expect parents to bare the cost but also see this as an adapt way to reduce the welfare bill by not only lowing the overall cost of housing but also to lower the overall cost of tax credits and certain benefits dependant on earnings and claims made.

    For example, as soon as the parent loses entitlement to Child Benefit, they will also lose any entitlement to Child Tax Credits payments for that child; Working Tax Credit will also be affected depending on the parent’s income from employment, as will Housing and/or Council Tax Benefit.

    This can be hugely detrimental to a working family on a low income (or a lone parent).

    Incase any parent is wondering about the child benefit for over 16s.

    Young people aged between 16 and 20 are still classed as “dependants” for Child Benefit and Tax Credit purposes, as long as they are in full-time non-advanced education or are doing an ‘approved training’ course.

    The government cant legally or otherwise make parents keep there children or take them back into the household so IF you will be affected financially do consider this option as government must still provide accommodation to those under 21 who cant go home. Government will try and state its only for children coming from care or from families who abused them but will no doubt leave out children (or adult if between 18 and 21) who are vulnerable. Under the vulnerable persons act the government is legally responsible whether they care to admit it or not and so subject to obeying it cannot allow any child even if now classed as a vulnerable adult to be homeless (in the case of a 19 to 21 year old the actions expedience is relative to circumstance so do your homework 1st parents before making any decisions).

    So in conclusion its more beneficial for a parent who has a child at home to have this child in full time non-advanced education or approved training than an apprenticeship.



    May 31, 2015 at 12:26 pm

  10. Ester McVey wants more woman in work while doctors want them up the duff, the sooner the better.


    Can you imagine a pregnant woman working on a building site, leaning over or under a motor or clambering under a desk to install or fix a computer ?

    Clearly what government and ex government officials want differs to the opinion of certain doctors, so will who saves the most money WIN and if the NHS, will it further keep women in the sexist dark ages of inequality ?


    May 31, 2015 at 12:53 pm

    • Whatever happened with all of Ester McVey’s older workers initiatives? Like everything else – nothing!

      There are currently around 2.9 million people aged between 50 and state pension age out of work in the UK. While the UK employment rate for this age group is around 60% and growing,

      They’re actually admitting that the ‘real’ unemployment rate is around 20%+, rather than the ‘official’ 5.5%.

      Another Fine Mess

      May 31, 2015 at 1:47 pm

      • I remember under 2 terms of labour that ageism apparently didn’t exist, that it was pure fantasy they said.

        While its nice to see the tories acknowledge how real it is, it still doesn’t address how there ever going to make employers hire this age group. I suspect like the youth, tax payer money will have to be used to bribe businesses but with the opportunity to have say 2 apprentices for the same cost of one older worker, I cant see it making any head way

        IDS said claimants need to change there mindset, well perhaps considering the escalating number of 50 plus people out of work, that , that mindset should really be the employers.

        When your advisor/provider starts talking about barriers to work, just make sure to mention the biggest and only one there is to anyone getting a job,


        And when they say, “lets deal with what we can change”, simply reply, “how about starting with your mindset then dear advisor/provider”.


        June 2, 2015 at 11:42 am

  11. LIBERTY: The right to a fair life free of oppression and inequality


    If you haven’t seen it already, feel free to link to it on your facebook pages, twitter feeds and everywhere else you surf the internet.

    Help the fight against fascism, bigotry, inequality, dictatorial powers, corrupt democracies and a whole lot more.

    Support the human rights act, support the founding fundamental principle established that made it universal to all no matter where you go..


    May 31, 2015 at 1:10 pm

  12. ‘Fuller Working Lives: a framework for action’ explains how working longer can benefit individuals, businesses, society and the economy. It sets out a number of new actions we will take to help people have fuller working lives.

    This is not simply about people working after State Pension age, though some individuals may want to and this may be right for them. We want to stop people leaving the labour market involuntarily in their 50s and early 60s. This can be catastrophic for an individual’s retirement finances and can also negatively affect their wider health and wellbeing.

    The framework covers the main groups affected:

    •disabled people and those with health conditions
    •people who are made redundant



    May 31, 2015 at 2:52 pm

    • You’ve got to laugh at all the effort they’ve gone to, to say ‘Fuller Working Lives’ when it’s bleedin’ obvious they mean ‘Longer Working Lives’. The nudge, nudge, wink, wink, dept. in action!

      Another Fine Mess

      May 31, 2015 at 3:30 pm

    • Theres a flaw in that logic like how about earning more per hour so you can work less and live more or is that only applicable to rich people ?


      June 1, 2015 at 12:18 pm

  13. You’ve misspelt joopys name, it’s joop not loop.

    Parker Pyne

    May 31, 2015 at 3:09 pm

  14. Theres a whole raft of legislation that can be used against this practice and something that that needs to be used,One good point is that while the adviser is engaged in abusive conduct is that everything is ok on the job evidence side and not likely going to result in a submission or sanction,they wont want to go near a tribunal and such intimidation is the result of just hoping you will just disappear.If anyone is presented with a submission make sure you mention that also “will be presented at the tribunal date” on the paperwork. Someone has the right to a fair hearing if at risk of an adverse decision. If no offer is made to give a reason this is enough to appeal,they will more then likely through their own conceited behavior create an impression that a sanction is inevitable,this also can be used against them.

    Always try and take someone with you at these interviews to avoid any situation arising that is likely to cause mishap.


    May 31, 2015 at 4:42 pm

    • ken:

      I always make a point of recording all my adviser interviews. I put them on a stick when I get home and then archive them. That way if the adviser comes back to me a couple of weeks later and says I told you so-and-so, and they in fact didn’t, then I’ve got the evidence that says otherwise.

      They’re cautious of me now though because in the past when I’ve got into a argument with them, I always say: “please be advised I may be recording this interview for legal or training purposes”. When they launch into official-warning mode about not being allowed to use a recording device in the JC, I always say: “I’m not saying I am recording this interview, I’m saying I may be recording this interview that’s all, emphasis on may”.

      jj joop

      May 31, 2015 at 4:59 pm

      • All:

        My work coach took voluntary redundancy last week. I won’t have to put up with her any more, the old bag. I overheard her airily telling one of her clients that this was her last week and that the Jobcentre “had had” five years of her life, etc.

        Like she didn’t enjoy every fucking of minute of it; tormenting and winding up her clients. The miserable scum. I hope you don’t enjoy your retirement, you old witch. In fact I wish you plague, famine and pestilence. I hope they both drop off and slither down a drain.

        Until I met you I never realised it was possible to loathe and despise another person with every fibre of your being.

        I’m done now.

        jj joop

        May 31, 2015 at 5:14 pm

      • I guess you didn’t get her a retirement present then.

        Another Fine Mess

        May 31, 2015 at 11:03 pm

      • Nope.

        jj joop

        June 1, 2015 at 7:53 am

  15. I have read the reply to Stephanie Herne’s request and there is no mention of the east of England. It was the same with the 35 a hour a week supervised jobsearch. We were included in the legislation as one of the pilot areas but were dropped at the last minute. No reasons given. Can’t say as I was sorry that that happened. But I have noticed that it says that claimants are to be “considered” for referral. I take that to mean: depending on whether your adviser has it for you then you will be referred.

    jj joop

    May 31, 2015 at 4:46 pm

    • Typo: I meant has it “in” for you.

      jj joop

      May 31, 2015 at 4:48 pm

    • Certain categories of claimants wont as yet be processed onto UC. The last time I checked anyone homeless cant have UC but can have JSA. I believe the system currently cant deal with complex claims but who knows maybe this has changed.


      June 1, 2015 at 12:24 pm

  16. All:

    France has just passed a new law that’ll force supermarkets to give their leftover food to charity! It will help lots of people in desperate need right now.



    jj joop

    May 31, 2015 at 5:28 pm

  17. The health service plans to “clamp down on some of the staffing agencies ripping off the NHS”, the chief executive of NHS England has said.

    Simon Stevens admitted that NHS hospitals were “over-spending” on temporary staffing.

    Mr Stevens also said hospitals needed to ensure they offered “flexible employment” to nursing staff.

    He said: “What we’ve got to do is convert that [agency] spending into good, paying permanent jobs.”



    May 31, 2015 at 8:47 pm

    • This is all very, but wtf has it got to do with: “As Government makes young people work for greedy employers for next to nothing, areas in which PWPS claimants can be referred to Community Work Placements (CWP).”

      Please stay on message.

      kki (kitchen knife incident)

      June 1, 2015 at 11:31 am

  18. David Cameron in split with Theresa May and Michael Gove over human rights

    First cabinet split since general election as it emerges Michael Gove and Theresa May disagree with David Cameron over withdrawal from the human rights act



    May 31, 2015 at 8:55 pm

    • British withdrawal from the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) would risk following the example of Nazi Germany, a senior UN representative has claimed.

      Professor François Crépeau, the UN special rapporteur on the human rights of migrants, said: “We have to remember the 1930s and how the rights of the Jews were restricted in Germany and then the rights of the whole German people.

      “I mean, countries that go down the path of reducing the rights of one category of people usually don’t stop there.”



      May 31, 2015 at 9:01 pm

    • This is all very, but wtf has it got to do with: “As Government makes young people work for greedy employers for next to nothing, areas in which PWPS claimants can be referred to Community Work Placements (CWP).”

      Please stay on message.

      kki (kitchen knife incident)

      June 1, 2015 at 11:32 am


    DLA to PIP changes. Disabled paralympic athlete is told she is no longer disabled enough to qualify for a mobility car under the new PIP rules:


    Without her car, it makes a mockery of the term “Independence” in the new PIP.


    June 1, 2015 at 7:32 am

  20. Trials of a scheme to double free childcare for working parents in England are to be brought forward a year to September 2016.

    Parents in some areas will be entitled to the extra childcare earlier as pilot schemes are rolled out.

    The Childcare Bill, announced in last week’s Queen’s Speech, would double this for working parents – however although it is not clear yet how many hours they will have to work in order to qualify



    June 1, 2015 at 7:48 am

  21. Iain Duncan Smith has ordered civil servants to consider fresh cuts to child benefit that could include limiting it to two or three children per family.

    As the Work and Pensions Secretary tries to cut £12billion from the welfare bill, he has asked his staff to ‘model’ what impact reducing the benefit would have.

    The modelling – to be completed before the Budget on July 8 – will also look at reducing the benefit for a first child from £20.70 a week to £13.70, the amount for subsequent children.

    The Institute for Fiscal Studies calculates the move would save £2.5billion a year and cut £360 a year from every family with children



    June 1, 2015 at 7:54 am

    • This is all very, but wtf has it got to do with: “As Government makes young people work for greedy employers for next to nothing, areas in which PWPS claimants can be referred to Community Work Placements (CWP).”

      Please stay on message.

      kki (kitchen knife incident)

      June 1, 2015 at 11:32 am

    • Downing Street rejects Iain Duncan Smith plan for new limit on child benefit

      Restricting child benefit payments to first two children advocated by work and pensions secretary – but ruled out by No 10



      June 1, 2015 at 10:48 pm

      • This is all very, but wtf has it got to do with: “As Government makes young people work for greedy employers for next to nothing, areas in which PWPS claimants can be referred to Community Work Placements (CWP).”

        Please stay on message.

        kki (kitchen knife incident)

        June 2, 2015 at 7:00 am

  22. UK Government welfare reforms are leaving Scottish households in ‘constant fear’ of further changes and financial stability, according to a new study published today (1 June 2015).

    The study by the Scottish Government, conducted between September 2013 and March 2015, explores the impact of recent welfare reforms on vulnerable people living in Scotland.

    Benefit claimants taking part in the research often found themselves pushed into difficult financial situations. Small changes to benefit entitlements and/or delays in processing claims and payments resulted in ‘significant negative impacts’. Claimants said they felt a ‘sense of precariousness’ about their benefit claim and fearful that money could be cut or stopped at any moment.



    June 1, 2015 at 8:16 am

  23. Anyone been put on a second round of the work programme yet ?


    June 1, 2015 at 12:26 pm

    • i finished 6 month CWP in january, can they refer me straight back on CWP ?


      June 1, 2015 at 1:03 pm

      • bert:

        I think they may have to wait 6 months, I’m not sure. Check out What Do They Know DWP, there should be something there about referrals.

        I’m curious. Tell me, what did you actually do on your CWP? Who was it with? And did you sign any of their wretched paperwork?

        jj joop

        June 1, 2015 at 1:50 pm

      • bert:

        According to super ted, if you don’t cooperate with the provider, i.e. you decline to sign any of their paperwork, which you are legally entitled to do then there’s not much they can do. He ended up being told to sod off and don’t come back. They have tried to frame him as a no-show but he could prove that he had been to the provider, so no dice.

        jj joop

        June 1, 2015 at 1:55 pm

      • but you must say you are still willing to take part but not sign nothing. and want it in writing what exactly you are taking part in. did ask every single 1 never got 1 tho or a exit report from the wp as i never went bar the first day 20 mins n that was that.

        super ted

        June 1, 2015 at 2:13 pm

      • Yeah, got dumped from the work programme after a fortnight of telling them to shove their fucking paperwork up their fucking lard arses – last I heard from them 🙂


        June 1, 2015 at 4:40 pm

    • gaia:

      I’ve never heard of anyone being put on the wp second time round. I think it’s generally acknowledged by the government, albeit quietly, that the wp is a “failure”. I think 6 month cwp is the future for the unemployed. According to super ted if you decline to sign any paperwork then there’s not much they can do to you.

      jj joop

      June 1, 2015 at 1:46 pm

      • jj joop:

        it was with seetec, the placement was on off for about 8 weeks, which i split up by taking 2 weeks off via jsa28 sick form. and the rest of the time was 4hr jobsearch on just fridays at camp seetec which was a 40 mile round trip on the train & bus.

        I (stupidly) signed the 1st introduction/referral form but they also had you sign electronically on they’re laptop weekly which i think i only did once or twice and found out later when i was absent that they were signing it on my behalf..

        towards the end i got another MAN1 notification letter to go back to the ‘arranged’ placement for another month which i never did, i just kept going on the fridays and nothing was ever said.

        i recenly got a letter from seetec to go to nearest centre to sign the exit forms which i’ve ignored.


        June 1, 2015 at 2:14 pm

      • bert:

        Well done, mate. You called their bluff and their wasn’t anything they could do.

        jj joop

        June 1, 2015 at 4:13 pm

      • If DWP don’t find something to pay providers for then they will all go out of business leaving DWP unable to deliver there plan of full privatisation what with the remaining public sector staff ( DWP advisors and managers) moved to a call centre.

        Even though they are not calling it work programme, its all the same crooks who will i suspect, dump claimants straight off the bat into 6 months work placement followed by 6 months of supervised jobsearch. Im unsure if its 1 or 2 years which if 2 will I imagine just see them repeat the prescribed course.

        Having a claimant work search 35 hours a week costs so the only possible way they can offset it is to dump you in a placement for six months (yes there actually paid to ring up your placement once a day to check your there and stuff) as it costs them next to nothing when compared to having claimants come in all the time.

        Until claimants start voicing such a thing we wont be able to work out a strategy but like I said bottom dollar we will all be farmed out as everyone has said, advisor numbers are dwindling fast so there not in a position to arrange such things so its more expedient to send you to a private contractor.

        DWP want welfare completely computerised so they don’t need loads of offices or staff. Take the signing pad, there all be redundant when the reform fully rolls yet its DWP trying to demonstrate,

        A: Claimants are only to willing to sign online (a good reason for not obliging them) and,

        B: Eventually when the software is ready, all claimants will be signing on and supplying evidence ONLINE. The only time and that’s until they privatise even that, that any claimant will hear a voice from an actual DWP public servant will be when they call a contact centre.

        Claimants need to get into there heads that the Tories will not stop, will not listen even when its pertains to a law there legally obliged to, hell you already witnessed them time and time again ignore a ruling under law handed to them by a judge so its not like its any sort of fantasy or conspiracy.

        It isn’t just so they can carryout there own brand of nastiness that they want out of the HRA, its also because its one of the last remaining vestiges that they are answerable to a higher power.

        A law used in our own courts that has thwarted countless amounts of things the tories have tried to change surrounding prisoners and welfare claimants so to think its for the public s benefit is just plain gullible yet I would imagine the public that did vote them in will go along with anything the tories say.


        June 1, 2015 at 4:29 pm

      • yuman rights is all ’bout these immugrunts n stuff, innit?

        White Van Man

        June 1, 2015 at 4:48 pm

      • And heres a prime example (white van man) of why the tories can say any crap and the public buy it, because they don’t even know what the act contains let alone the fundamental principle that the tories will break by introducing the bill rendering the premise completely useless.


        June 1, 2015 at 7:15 pm

    • Follow up to my own post, – I was out and about on others PCs’, today, I’m back now.

      No one questioning my odd post?

      So I guess most don’t know who Martin was, but having met him a few times “in real life” I certainly do. Very simply, he was the ZIOS archive guy above.

      Easy to say, but he really was, quiet, v.clever, great SOH, etc.

      For those that remember the infamous “list-of-fake…” thread on this site, he was one of the ‘small gang’ that helped Ch4 investigate the fake vacancies on UJ, leading to over 200,000 being removed.

      RIP, SH!t, etc.

      Another Fine Mess

      June 1, 2015 at 8:32 pm

  24. If you don’t sign for Community Work Placements, the Jobcentre is likely to bring you in every day for 35 hours week – although I think “super ted” bankrupted that reaction with his gigantic claim for travelling expenses!! Correct me if I’m wrong, “super ted”!!


    June 1, 2015 at 2:13 pm

    • they might try it for a week or so but soon gave up as i had to pay 5 quid a day in bus fairs and as its paid in to ur bank account and takes 3 days was out of pocket.

      was back to normal signing after that, as for 35hrs a week at the jcp forget it as now they got wifi can just use my phone instead of the pcs for job searching at the jcp. and no public toilets

      super ted

      June 1, 2015 at 2:28 pm

    • Imbicile:

      super ted’s right about that. Especially about the toilets. They will let you use their bog but only reluctantly, and someone’s got to escort you. The last thing the JC wants is us lot stinking up the john.

      jj joop

      June 1, 2015 at 4:16 pm

    • bert:

      I think the 35 hrs a week job search has been knocked on the head.

      jj joop

      June 1, 2015 at 4:18 pm

      • right cheers jj joop, had me worried there as i have chronic illness that needs regular treatment etc.


        June 1, 2015 at 4:25 pm

      • They ask you about all the time, even trying to get you out with trick questions….

        I wonder how people who don’t live in town centres with libraries manage.

        Andrew Coates

        June 1, 2015 at 4:27 pm

      • bert:

        Forgive my ignorance, but what is a MAN1?

        jj joop

        June 1, 2015 at 7:52 pm

      • mandatory activity notice ??

        super ted

        June 1, 2015 at 8:09 pm

      • Mandatory invitation, with the usual.


        June 1, 2015 at 9:51 pm

      • Mandatory Activity Notification – MAN1
        on the top of the letter that comes from seetec/provider instructing where your CWP placement is and what you must do bullshit.


        June 2, 2015 at 10:32 am

      • Thanks for that guys. I’ll know what to look out for if, god forbid, I am conscripted on to CWP. Signing on this week, so I’ll ask my adviser what the score is for East Anglia.

        jj joop

        June 2, 2015 at 11:14 am

  25. Someone tell me I’ve got all this “Blue Labour” thing wrong.

    Labour’s new shadow chancellor is against rent control. (The Tories are too)! And what is more, Labour’s new shadow chancellor is a landlord!



    June 1, 2015 at 4:02 pm

    • Saw this on Facebook.

      Talking to mates who live London I literally cannot believe how much rents are in London – it’s obscene.

      Andrew Coates

      June 1, 2015 at 4:28 pm

      • Its always been like that as when I use to live there back in 1994, my rent for a one bedroom apartment was £125 a week and is now 2 and half times that now.


        June 1, 2015 at 4:31 pm

      • Yeah, like 4 fucking grand a week for a fucking one-bedroomed flat in fucking ‘ackney!

        Priced Out

        June 1, 2015 at 4:35 pm

  26. ONLINE applications for benefit not designed for the HOMELESS.

    I tried to register for benefit to day but was told when I rang up that unless I had no arms and or eyes that I must do it online.

    Now I will in a moment do a post discussing ethics and law but just for now want to highlight how desperate IDS wants all claimants to use online as a medium otherwise the reform namely falls apart. He is so insistent that as you know, hes without incriminating himself made advisors to mislead claimants into believing its mandatory to use the electronic signing pad when as you know clearly its not and wont even be remaining in service once the online software is correct.

    Well there pulling the same card with making applications online which if the member of the public refuse (ie, initiates there right under law as the data subject) sees an private agency (making claims is now done by contractors) tell you that you cant have any benefits. Even approaching DWP is no good as there say sorry, its all done privately now, your have to take it up with them. The joke to that is the private contractor refused to give any company contact details so I can address said issue, even when I told DWP this they said,” well im sorry but as I said our department no longer deals with that”.

    Bascially to stop anyone scuppering there plans, they pulled the india call centre trick by distancing themselves from being answerable to you or the law so no one can prevent them from killing the welfare net.


    June 1, 2015 at 4:54 pm

    • hello mrs gaia my name is veronica… did you have a good eastenders… I can see from my computer that I am sorry to have to say that we cannot pay you universal credit for jobseekers… have you tried re-apply…. I can of no longer be to help you. Thank you for calling universal credit online… [operator has disconnected chat]

      gaia phones the universal credit helpline

      June 1, 2015 at 5:58 pm

    • Thats “Deliberate” Maladministration [in the same vein of a la corporate racism] – if one is using a service [of whatever sort] and I assume it involves a contract, DWP/Service Providers must – as its a public service – provide a means to complain/raise issues where the service is failing, how else can it be seen if the service is/isnt failing, say you’re disabled, wouldn’t that breech the disability act as you would be put at a disadavantage from the get go? Or hard of hear etc etc. As its deliberate on the part of the organisations they would surely be open to charges of harrassment/maladministration and being sued for [if you starve say due to their actions] Personal Injury.


      June 2, 2015 at 12:22 pm

      • You would assume Gazza considering how long the computer system has been in that it would have been changed by now but here’s the catch.

        Organisations like shelter aren’t addressing it even though they have been fully aware of it for quite some time. There answer believe it or not is to allow the homeless person to use a homeless centres address instead.

        As I said im looking into it but it will take some time, especially as im chiselling away at DWP currently on how pathetic and unintelligible the wording is that’s used in the claimant commitment.


        June 2, 2015 at 1:22 pm

      • Having “Inspected”, a typical GOV departments [it was a independent body at that] Enacting Legislation I know for a fact that such safe guards are part of its remit. My apologies at not being able to quote from it [it was a few years back] but it appears that the Enacting Legislation of the parent body is devolved and limited to the duties of the new body. All other responsiblities are copied over at the same time.
        All bodies, even those contracted out are expected, and must have a “Level Of Service” Agreement, which must allow the public/outsiders to bring problems to their attention.

        Anyone tell me it doesnt’ exist I would get very very interested. and start asking pointed questions up the entire chain of command right upto whatever parlimentry committee and copy in say, The Guardian for good measure.


        June 2, 2015 at 4:30 pm

  27. DWP contractors flaunting the data protection law so they can get your personal and or sensitive data while ignoring prior requests from the data subject as is a legal right under the law to divulge how the intend to process it and keep it safe.

    If you make a claim for benefits, your told if you call 0800 055 6688 by an agency so not DWP anymore, that unless you are blind or without hands, you cannot make a claim via the phone. If you want benefit you have to make it online. This is the agencies words although I suspect we all know where that comes from.

    Now what makes this an issue besides contractors not being answerable to the civil service code is where does this all legally stand.

    Under the data protection act, Basic interpretative provisions, processing is clarified. Now under it, it clear states, data by transmission as processing which could be verbal, written (by hand or electronically).

    Now if you visit schedule 1 of the act part 2, subparagraph 1(a) , it stipulates,

    in the case of data obtained from the data subject, the data controller ensures so far as practicable that the data subject has, is provided with, or has made readily available to him, the information specified in sub-paragraph (3).

    Subparagraph 3 stipulates what they must supply the data subject inorder to conform with legally and fairly processing data.

    As you will see if you go and look at this online registration, no such details are supplied nor pointed.

    Basically so as to get your information they are using the excuse you gave permission because you started typing on the online registration form as you giving legal consent just as they did with UJM. Now interestingly despite monster being a contractor and DWP residing as the data controller, to this very date no one but the claimant can register an account for there own use unless they give a third party permission (ie, the advisor).
    This means and is very evident, that DWP themselves cannot open a UJM without your consent be it registering yourself or have a third party assist.

    Now it might be because UJM doesn’t form a part of being necessary in maintaining the performance of ones benefit but I cannot say for sure as DWP refuse to answer the question by saying your have to contact monster and monster todate have made no attempt to contact me whats so ever. I told DWP this but they still insist they cannot help which is strange don’t you think considering they reside as the data controller.

    Getting back to online claiming of a benefit, what happens if a breach occurs. What I mean is, how does the claimant know where the breach occurred if DWP wont let them examine the system. What I mean by this is DWP can insist the breach occurred while you were making your application and not during a period DWP had it stored. This would imply that it happened on your watch, not theres, that you knew the risks before applying online.

    Well how can that be when no mention is made to the risk along with no policy detailing how they intend to process said data at any point prior to the application.

    There trapping claimants into an impossible impasse by preventing them from making a claim in another form like for instance the available telephone number they refuse without good cause to let you use. I asked what criteria was set as regards using the phoneline to make a claim but other than the no hands, no eyes refused to comment further, kept hiding behind those are the instructions weve been given and wont surrender who is instructing them nor supply contact details.

    Im going to keep looking into this but as it will involve ICO for a while not to mention DWP, do expect the wait to be protracted.


    June 1, 2015 at 6:48 pm

  28. I hope the regulars to this site remember what I said about when i say certain things and how when its fresh, not well known or just plain hits the nail on the head that trolls always appear.


    June 1, 2015 at 7:21 pm

    • You couldn’t see past loaning me a fag, could you, gaia? Thanking you ever so kindly, guv 🙂

      Charles Bronson - Britain's Most Violent Prisoner

      June 2, 2015 at 7:37 am

  29. Pensioner are fucking poor, yeah right!

    “A Glasgow pensioner who bet £30,000 on a Conservative majority at the UK general election has collected his £240,000 winnings.”

    30 grand on a bet! Bet he lives of off custard creams and keeps the heating turned off – poor, poor pensioner… 😦 😀

    Church Mice

    June 1, 2015 at 9:20 pm

  30. ‘Joke’ hospital worker job ad attracts 61 applicants

    “A hospital job advert that warned applicants they would have to deal with “irate surgeons” has been withdrawn despite attracting 61 applicants.
    The advert was for a theatre nursing support worker at Gartnavel Hospital in Glasgow.
    It also warned applicants they would face “verbal and physical aggressive behaviour from patients”.
    NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde said the advert was a practical joke which had slipped through HR checks.”

    ujm is a crock of shit

    June 1, 2015 at 9:28 pm

  31. Social housing associations stand to lose 37 million when tories again reduce the benefit cap.


    Constructions pretty poor currently so I would imagine a 37 million dent will only make it worse not to mention all the houses in mine and surrounding areas are nearly all for sale properties.


    June 2, 2015 at 12:43 pm

  32. To understand the thinking behind the reform of disability benefits, we need to look at a Conference held in 2001, called ‘Malingering and illness deception’. The Conference papers were later published as a book, in which ‘the enthusiastic support of Professor Mansel Aylward [then Chief Medical Officer at the DWP] and funding from the Department for Work and Pensions’ was acknowledged.

    The book ‘Malingering and illness deception’ gives a revealing insight into the thinking which eventually led to the Work Capability Assessment, and the reform of Incapacity Benefit.



    June 2, 2015 at 12:50 pm

    • The problems with the thinking behind the book ‘Malingering and illness deception’

      Click to access Dark-Times-Benefit-Reform-Thinkpiece-67.pdf


      June 2, 2015 at 1:21 pm

      • This is all very, but wtf has it got to do with: “As Government makes young people work for greedy employers for next to nothing, areas in which PWPS claimants can be referred to Community Work Placements (CWP).”

        Please stay on message.

        kki (kitchen knife incident)

        June 2, 2015 at 8:44 pm

    • Very interesting enigma, nice find indeed.

      DWP might be able to declare people fit for work but it will do little to convince employers to hire them sadly. I know a blind man that worked in my town who every time I saw him was always bumping into desks what with his employer saying he couldn’t use a stick for health and safety and possible litigation reasons. I asked him “don’t you ever get use to where your going”, he said, “if you mean the bruises, yes I have to otherwise there get rid of me”.

      Oddly enough a decade ago sports injuries were looked at a bit like that in the case of why do some people say when injured that they cant get up, cant move yet on a battlefield, people with far worse injuries will use every ounce of there being to do so. This is all far from my field of knowledge but I guess its all down to circumstance perhaps as living in a jungle where everything wants to eat you or on a battlefield with bullets flying and bombs exploding would be a great motivator. With this said though I doubt this book covers the social outcast aspect what with not being able to contribute to the group, how other primates tease and abuse the handicapped ape and will quite happily leave them behind or to die in the event of an attack.


      June 2, 2015 at 1:49 pm

      • It’s like if you were ever rear-ended in a car crash you would make sure the fire service cut you out regardless so you could claim for ‘whiplash injuries’. Incidentally there are a lot of Eastern European going around slamming on the brakes without warning so you rear-end them, and if you rear-end another vehicle you are automatically at fault. One of these fuckers tried in on with me on a motorway ffs – jumping into the gap behind the car in front and slamming on the brakes – had to slam the brakes on real fast. Burst out laughing when I saw that the car had already been rear-ended. So even if you are tail-gating you got to keep your wits about about you.

        The CrashTest Dummies

        June 2, 2015 at 8:53 pm

      • even if you aren’t tail-gating lol

        The CrashTest Dummies

        June 2, 2015 at 8:55 pm

      • The highway code stipulates braking distances, if they are not observed the result is obvious. This why the guy in the rear is responsible. If this distance is maintained no amount of braking from a car in front will result in an accident.

        To many motorists do not practice this so leave themselves open to such scams.

        As for motorways, theres a ton and a half cameras so someone chopping in and thus reducing the braking distance will be filmed and such a film can be requested by the public in pursuit of a claim. Yes there are areas known as blind camera spots but its not like they cant be seen while driving.
        So when a blind spot occurs a motorist should more so than ever observe the distance rule and brake the moment someone begins chopping as its impossible from a physics stand point for the vehicle to hit the front of a vehicle while beginning a chop, its only achievable once the vehicle has straightened out.

        This is the standard safe practice be the car chopping in scamming or not as chopping in is as common as muck on british roads so happens regardless.

        Im sorry but if a person tailgates, they bring it on themselves as does a person who despite maintaining the distance fails to react in time.

        The braking distances are a tried and test method.


        June 3, 2015 at 4:53 am

  33. New affordable housing with no community tax charge

    This luxurious and spacial property will only set you back a mere £218 with nothing further to pay

    Maybe you fancy a more bijou model so as to give your kids there own rooms

    This model will set you back a mere £46 all in, a good addition to any family property.

    Make easy on the pocket and grow with the family

    No more moving stress and costs

    And lets not forget how your fit right in, in any neighbourhood, they wont even notice your there


    June 2, 2015 at 12:57 pm

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