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Charities Being ‘Blackmailed’ to Stop Using Slave Labour – Workfare.

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Anti-Workfare ‘Terrorism’. 

The Void reports on this:

Exclusive: charities blackmailed into dropping work scheme

Charities are being blackmailed into ditching government work-for-benefit schemes by a national campaign group – with some being threatened with closure if they continue.

Three charities – one of which is currently helping survivors in Nepal – have told TFN they are being forced to drop their involvement after being blackmailed, intimidated and bullied by campaigners associated with Boycott Workfare.

The campaign group denies this but the organisations, which all support vulnerable people, have told TFN of their despair at being forced to drop the scheme because of intimidation waged against them.

Tactics used involve instigating spot checks from council officials, health and safety visits, inspections by the fire brigade as well as staff being approached by unidentified people saying they are working for a “slave labour” employer.

A campaign of anonymous, threatening phones calls, emails and letters then accompanies this. All of these can happen in just one day and continue indefinitely, the charities claim.

Despite overwhelmingly positive outcomes being achieved for the majority of individuals taking part, the charities say this harassment just isn’t worth it.

This bit really sticks in the craw:

Another charity said it had been effectively blackmailed into subsmission by Boycott Workfare campaigners.

“We resent these blackmailing tactics. They claim to be representing the vulnerable but instead they are intimidating them,” said a spokesperson.

“Anyone who challenges them are subjected to abuse and terrorism. It’s not responsible behaviour – there are other ways and other approaches to achieve the same outcomes.”

You can read more of this barely veiled attempt to get the public authorities to mobilise the police and anti-terrorism forces against anti-=workfare campaigners through the above link to Third Force News.

Johnny Void comments on this tirade.

The charity who accuse Boycott Workfare of terrorism  along with an organisation who claim to have received a threat of arson are not named by Third Force News, so there is little way of checking the truth of these allegations.  What is certain however is that Boycott Workfare had nothing to do with this or any other violent threat.  To attempt to blame every single incident on one campaign group is as ludicrous as blaming the fucking RSPCA if an animal right’s group torches a slaughterhouse.

There should be no doubt.  Threatening workfare using charities or their staff with violence is a dickish way to behave.  The person you are threatening might be on workfare themselves for a start. But whilst there are laws against sending communications which are threatening, obscene or designed to cause anxiety there is nothing wrong with firmly telling a charity what you think by writing to them or posting on their social media pages.  Or holding a protest outside their premises.  That is all Boycott Workfare, and hundreds of other claimants and supporters, have ever called on people to do.  In the case of Glasgow the Caring City they didn’t even do that.  They merely informed people that an offshoot of this charity were using workfare.

There are dozens of groups actively fighting workfare in the UK and possibly thousands of individuals.  Martin Himes, the CEO of the Scottish Council for Voluntary Organisations (SCVO) who publish Third Sector News is one of them.  All are resisting in different ways.  Some have opted for civil disobedience.  Others have protested online.  Perhaps as Third Force News claim a few have grassed up charities to health & safety representatives or the local council.  This is not surprising given the appalling conditions some people on workfare have to endure.  It is hardly fucking terrorism though is it?

The truth is that many people are disgusted that charities are involved in forced labour schemes which are backed by punitive benefit sanctions that are leading to horrendous suffering.  These charities may claim that all their forced workers are happy fucking slaves, but they never see the impact on those sanctioned because they couldn’t or didn’t want to work for them without pay.  The homelessness that sanctions cause, or people queuing at foodbanks, ill health and poverty.  Workfare using charities are responsible for those consequences, no matter how they squirm and spin and try to blame everyone except themselves.  To pretend otherwise is shameful.  For Third Force News to smear those trying to bring this vile system to an end by publishing ludicrous claims of terrorism is beneath contempt.

Third Force News are on twitter @ThirdForceNews if you want to tell them what you think of this trash (in a non-threatening, non-obscene way of course).

Boycott Workfare are holding a week of action against workfare and sanctions this week, join in and spread the word.

We say:

  • Back our Friends at Boycott Workfare Against the Charity Bullies!
  • Stop all Workfare Schemes!



Written by Andrew Coates

April 30, 2015 at 4:04 pm

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  1. This shows that Boycott Workfare’s campaign is working, God bless them. And it is a just campaign. It is not blackmail. Forcing claimants to participate in these schemes IS the real blackmail.

    jj joop

    April 30, 2015 at 4:18 pm

    • The bleating in this article is enough to make new friends for Boycott Workfare.

      Andrew Coates

      April 30, 2015 at 4:45 pm

    • Sorry “Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Act 2014”


      April 30, 2015 at 5:37 pm

    • I would think that because of DWP sending people on workfare which they like to do, to have us all working they just may get behind that charity if they haven’t already and use the above to shut down websites such as Boycott workfare. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was. what with them changing the rules n regs in their own interest, for the so called “big obedient society”


      April 30, 2015 at 7:01 pm

      • ”IF” The Dwp shut down Boycott Workfare. We could be next.


        May 1, 2015 at 8:32 am

  2. Hi there, Could you please register my new Email address which is zaniquess@mail.com? Thanking you for keeping me updated,S Marquess

    Suzanne Marquess

    April 30, 2015 at 6:37 pm



      May 1, 2015 at 8:36 am

  3. Congratulations you have been registered for 6 months unpaid work.
    When can you start?

    Another Fine Mess

    April 30, 2015 at 7:29 pm

    • Once a risk assessment has been carried out and Health and Safety Training Given


      May 1, 2015 at 8:37 am

  4. Leaders grilled by audience in Question Time election special.

    David Cameron has insisted he would not cut child benefit or tax credits if he wins the election in a Question Time leaders’ special. – sure

    Asked if his vow to pass laws preventing tax rises was an admission he usually lied, he said he wanted to put the policy “beyond doubt”.

    He was also quizzed about the NHS and immigration.

    Standing up to address the audience, Mr Cameron insisted there would be no cuts to child benefit or child tax credits but it was possible to save more from the welfare budget.

    He brandished the note that former Labour Chief Secretary Liam Byrne left in 2010, saying there was “no money left” saying: “It takes a long time to fix the mess that I was left. – some excuse.



    April 30, 2015 at 7:55 pm

    • When David Cameron said most jobs created were fulltime, he didn’t mention how many were temporary and or involving ZH contracts.

      The big hum digger though is when he quotes fulltime, is he using the UC marker of 35 plus hours or the old JSA one where fulltime is any job 16 hours or more ?


      May 1, 2015 at 9:34 am

      • I would think he refers to fulltime as being over 16 + , a course at college 2 days per week is considered fulltime according to the DWP.


        May 1, 2015 at 9:49 am

    • There was somebody who talked about sanctions and Food Banks as well.

      Andrew Coates

      May 1, 2015 at 4:50 pm

      • I didn’t see it, I would have liked to hear what Cameron had to say about sanctions and food banks.


        May 1, 2015 at 5:34 pm

      • You know what Cameron would say, same as he always says: “it is only right, fair and proper that people take responsibility for their actions and do all that they can do to find work. Labour didn’t advertise foodbanks and we didn’t believe that was fair.”

        cameron talks shite

        May 1, 2015 at 10:05 pm

      • Enigma. 16 and 16+ hours IS classed as being FULL TIME. The reason being is that 16 at the nmw is over benefit level. So ”IF” NMW become £8 an hour the TEN hours will become fulltime IE 10 Hours you would get £80. Just a couple of pounds short of Benefits Level. Maybe thats why Milliband wants £8.50 NMW. ALLEGEDLY he may have been got at by Policy Advisors and Backers Etc. I repeat ALLEGEDLY

        Billy The Banker

        May 2, 2015 at 7:48 am

      • “Cameron talks nonsense” yes we all know.


        May 2, 2015 at 8:54 am

      • Yup, you have to be careful you don’t get what you wish for when it comes to these fuckers. There is always method in their madness! Bootiful!

        Turkeys Voting for Christmas - cluck, cluck!

        May 2, 2015 at 9:00 am

      • I’m feeling physically sick. Election garbage from conservatives in post this morning and now a tory loudspeaker van on the road outside. Excuse me.. Blergh!!

        kat rehman

        May 2, 2015 at 3:33 pm

  5. Politicians and campaigners call to stem the ‘shameful’ exodus of the poor from London.


    The Independent revealed how 50,000 homeless families have been pushed out.

    Politicians and campaigners are calling for a radical overhaul of housing policy in London after The Independent revealed that 50,000 homeless families have been pushed out of boroughs.

    Natalie Bennett, the leader of the Green Party, described the impact of out-of-borough placements on vulnerable families as a “toll of misery”.

    Sadiq Khan, Labour’s shadow London minister, said the figures are “a badge of shame” for the Coalition Government, calling on the next mayor of London to “conduct a root and branch review of housing in London if we are to end this scandal”.



    April 30, 2015 at 8:05 pm

    • Lets face it, the scandal will end when there is no longer any “undesirables” living in London.


      April 30, 2015 at 8:34 pm



    Vote for CLASS WAR!!

    May 1, 2015 at 5:13 am

  7. Employer attitudes towards disabled workers have deteriorated in the last four years.

    Zero hours contracts are causing particular problems for disabled workers, including as result of the high levels of ill-treatment associated with these contracts.

    Unlawful discrimination, including harassment and unlawful dismissal, appears to have been increasing.

    There has been a reduction in organisational support for disabled workers and an increased emphasis on discipline.

    The study identified 24 major cuts to equality and employment law protections since 2010. These cuts were starting to have adverse impacts on disabled workers.

    With the introduction of tribunal fees, disabled workers were finding it hard or impossible to enforce the rights which remain.

    Responding to the report, Debbie Jolly of DPAC said: “While more research is needed, the initial findings here show a woeful regression of support for those disabled people able to seek work. The recent cap on Access to Work adds to this, exposing the coalition government rhetoric to the stark realities and discriminations disabled people face”

    Rupert Harwood, the report’s author, said: “The study suggests that disabled individuals have been the hardest hit in work as well as out of work”.



    May 1, 2015 at 7:22 am

    • On the note of ZH contracts, if you go by millibands statement, he describes no protection for what happens after 12 weeks. As we all know or will do in a second there’s no regulation in place that states an employer has to offer any contract.

      So you get to, say a week before the 12th week, what’s to stop the employer saying I don’t need you anymore. Then there’s what’s to stop employers going back to agencies and employing people daily like they use to.

      If any haven’t figured it out yet, ZH contracts only exist so employers can save on agency fees while still forcing through there own company policies (ie, code of conduct, dress code, etc) but now agencies instruct employers on dodging taxes and NI contributions making a return not much of jump in expenditure terms.

      My take on ZH contracts is I can see how they benefit small businesses who live by the phone in terms of a customer base but not large businesses and not government who can easily afford a proper wage and decent hours.

      I’m also perplexed in the Tories welfare reform, how they can threaten someone with a sanction if they refuse a ZH job yet once they comply further threaten them not to keep it is precisely the question that needs to be asked yet somehow hasn’t.

      So in finishing, while DWP can threaten you with a sanction if you refuse a ZH job, DO REMEMBER, they CANT sanction you for refusing to consent/agree to the terms of or a contract.


      So as long as you are happy to do the job but disagree on the terms or the entire contract and make clear this point, DWP are grounded.


      May 1, 2015 at 9:30 am

  8. Food banks in schools.

    Schools forced to act as ‘miniature welfare states’ with teachers buying underwear and even haircuts for poor pupils.

    A survey of more than 2,000 headteachers found they were having to buy clothing such as uniforms and even underwear for their pupils as well as providing washing facilities and breakfasts.

    At one school, all pupils were provided with toothbrushes and instructed to brush their teeth twice a day.

    The survey by the National Association of Head Teachers (NAHT) estimates that schools are spending £43m a year to offset the effect of poverty on their pupils.

    One head said he was operating a food bank at the school with the help of a local charity. Some teachers bring in an extra packed lunch for poor pupils.



    May 1, 2015 at 7:53 am

    • I used to work in a school in London (Ealing) in the 1980’s. This happened then too. I recall a teacher who actually took me in the car to the Fish and Chip Shop to buy 7 portions of Cod And Chips for children whose parents did not have the money for school dinners as their pay had been delayed by a strike. What goes around comes around. It is history repeating itself.


      May 1, 2015 at 9:39 am

    • Enigma.. We have a spare clothes bin. In our school for same reason. Some kids have thirds at lunch if it’s enough to spare

      kat rehman

      May 2, 2015 at 3:34 pm

      • It’s getting bad, for millions, more food banks will be set up, but I see there is food banks being set up in schools, and where else.


        May 2, 2015 at 4:12 pm

      • Kat, talking about the need for clothes, it does seem that schools are doing more for people than some food banks, just outside the local food bank there is a huge metal bin, for clothes that people don’t want or no longer need, someone in the food bank then empties the bin then puts all the clothes in big bags, they then sell all bags for £7 a bag, the clothes then get sent on their way probably to get sold again and again.


        May 2, 2015 at 6:05 pm

      • Enigma, what food banks do is amazing!! And as for schools doing a lot, it’s hard not to when the need is staring you in the face so hard.
        My school is in one of the most deprived wards in our town with a huge number entitled to free school meals. The uniform grant made by the council in voucher form is 29£ which barely buys a pair of shoes!! I’ve even bought a couple cheap polo shirts from asda and bunged them in the spare uniform bin and my girl never even attended the school!!
        I read an article in th paper can’t remember what paper, a school governor in Liverpool said kids at his school cry and say they don’t want to go back to their cold dark home with no food and the school has no choice but to send them. That struck a chord. I’m governor at a local high school and see such pupils in both schools I’m involved with.

        kat rehman

        May 3, 2015 at 12:20 pm

      • My daughter recently cleared out four huge bags of books she’d outgrown. She didn’t want to donate them to the charity shop so I asked if I could take them to my school. I thought the school library might want them. The family worker nearly bit my hands off and asked if she could have them to distribute to the needy families at school she works with. We agreed feeling so sad there was such need. We cannot imagine not having books around!! But if you can’t even afford food…

        kat rehman

        May 3, 2015 at 12:28 pm

  9. Reblogged this on Britain Isn't Eating.


    May 1, 2015 at 11:55 am

  10. OT

    Don’t film anyone, face the consequences if you do.

    Kevin Moore, the man who filmed Freddie Gray’s brutal arrest, has himself been arrested following “harassment and intimidation” from Baltimore police.



    May 1, 2015 at 1:00 pm

    • That’s old news now as he has been released.


      According to the article, they wanted to talk to him about what he saw yet mysteriously the two other men arrested with him who also are a part of cop watch still remain in custody.

      Now as scintillating as your title is enigma, its probably not the best chosen considering we are trying to get all claimants to video there interviews at DWP.


      May 1, 2015 at 1:54 pm

      • At the moment we can record and film in the JC’s. but the way things are going it won’t be too long before we can’t. just like those who have been gagged.


        May 1, 2015 at 2:14 pm

      • Will body scanners appear at the doors of every JC, for the safety of all of course..


        May 1, 2015 at 3:04 pm

      • While people will concede a little liberty, they wont surrender it all.

        Secondly why do most people like laws, its so they don’t become a victim hopefully, so ask yourself how much potency a law would have if by itself it instantly made you a victim.

        You only have to take a look all over the world to see law is falling by the wayside, losing its sting to varying measures and mixtures of decadence and decency.

        Take murder by example an extreme act, ask yourself, is the law, the threat of life behind bars or your own desire or lack of it that makes you abstain. I ask this as it is self decisions like this example that dictates a persons moral compass in moving forward.


        May 2, 2015 at 11:01 am

    • The United Kingdom expressed concern over the troubling turn of events in America in the last several months. The country’s foreign ministry released a statement: “We call on the American regime to rein in the state security agents who have been brutalizing members of America’s ethnic minority groups. The equal application of the rule of law, as well as the respect for human rights of all citizens, black or white, is essential for a healthy democracy.” Britain has always maintained a keen interest in America, a former colony.



      May 1, 2015 at 2:24 pm

      • So the UK gov tells US “respect for human rights of all citizens” meanwhile the UK gov wants to do away with the human rights for it’s citizens and has already started.


        May 1, 2015 at 3:11 pm

  11. 1 May 2015.

    Where has Iain Duncan Smith gone? Tory axeman nowhere to be seen campaign trail.

    He was once known as the Quiet Man but now Iain Duncan Smith has become the Invisible Man.

    Like kids’ cartoon character Where’s Wally, the Tory axeman is hard to spot on the campaign trail.

    Yesterday IDS failed to turn up for Radio 4’s World at One to answer claims he is planning an £8billion cut to child benefit and tax credits.

    On Monday, the Secretary of State for Work and Pensions was even a no-show at hustings in his own Chingford and Woodford Green constituency, insisting he had been called urgently to Manchester.

    And his deputy Minister for Disabled People Mark Harper ducked out of a debate on Newsnight to discuss Tory benefit plans, forcing it to be cancelled.

    But perhaps it is no wonder IDS is being kept under wraps by campaign organisers.

    With policies such as the Bedroom Tax, work capability assessments and welfare “reform” to justify, he is a liability at the polls.

    * So have you seen the lesser spotted IDS? Send your reports and pics to election2015@mirror.co.uk.


    Obi Wan Kenobi

    May 1, 2015 at 2:14 pm

  12. How about being arrested, fined or even possibly imprisoned for get this,

    Reporting the weather.


    Its as crazy as an American law making it an offence under such to hand out free of charge, anything you grow on your own land right or making it a criminal offence in some European country whos name i forget, to give any sort of handouts to the homeless poor.

    Having any of these or the plan and implemented act of reducing rescue boats in the Mediterranean sea hoping a sure death would reduce illegal migration carried out by human traffickers.

    No matter where you go these days governance has quite simply lost the plot and moved from one foolish act to the other, granted China is at the extreme end but as you can see and even find out if you research, that plain out loco in government/s and units of governments like the EU for instance is the order of the day, everyday.


    May 1, 2015 at 2:21 pm

    • The truth is It’s all about “control” and of course it’s happening in every country – obedience.


      May 1, 2015 at 2:38 pm

    • Man sentenced to jail for collecting rainwater in Oregon

      Another Fine Mess

      May 1, 2015 at 7:53 pm

      • Rain water, free from the sky, unbelievable, but then it isn’t. these days, laws are going too far.


        May 1, 2015 at 8:34 pm

      • And in some parts of the UK under ECCLESIASTICALL LAW, ANYBODY who buys or rents near a Church can be sent repair bills for the Upkeep of the roof and foul water falling off the roof. In other words The sewage charge

        Billy The Banker

        May 2, 2015 at 7:51 am

      • Although it wont get you jail over here, our own water authority believes all the water that falls is there’s to.

        The thing to consider about the USA though is and most don’t know this, they sell and ship the bought water overseas, its even nicknamed blue gold.


        May 2, 2015 at 11:35 am

    • Weather data is a commodity – no such thing as a free forecast! 😀 😀

      Tomasz Schafernaker

      May 1, 2015 at 10:16 pm

  13. Oh Dear – just saw this picture – had to put it up – sorry guy’s and Gall’s

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    May 1, 2015 at 2:21 pm

  14. OT?

    We’ve heard it all before. “A man found a job but was sanctioned for not jobseeking while he waited for it to start. That meant he didn’t have enough cash to get to his new job, so he was sacked”.

    Taken from a selection of 10 reasons why people are sanctioned:



    May 2, 2015 at 8:27 am

  15. OT?

    60,000 people or more may have died as a result of [Tory] government policy.



    May 2, 2015 at 8:47 am

    • One is too many.

      I was looking at that yesterday, still the DWP doesn’t want to play ball with the ICO, because they know what the consequence’s could be.


      May 2, 2015 at 9:05 am

      • Enigma And Tobanem:- As the DWP are not co-operating, does anybody know if they are claiming ‘Crown Immunity. Could the DWP be taken to the Supreme Court or the European Court / International Court Of Human Rights in order to get the answers to this question. This could be why an in/out referendum is likely. They know there WILL BE CONSEQUENCES.


        May 2, 2015 at 9:21 am


        Removal of Crown immunity

        “The Government recognises the need for it to be clearly accountable where management failings on its part lead to death. There will therefore be no general Crown immunity providing exemption from prosecution”.[244]

        It explains that “the Crown should not be exempt where it is in no different position to other employers or organisations”. In 2000, the Government also committed itself to removing Crown immunity from statutory health and safety enforcement when Parliamentary time allowed.[245]

        202. The proposal to remove Crown immunity has been widely welcomed.[246]

        Witnesses argued that life should be accorded the same degree of legal protection, and the bereaved the same degree of justice, regardless of whether a Crown or non-Crown body has caused a death[247] and that it is desirable, wherever possible, to enhance the accountability of public authorities in relation to deaths caused by gross negligence.[248] Other reasons given for welcoming the proposal to remove Crown immunity included the following:

        that a manslaughter conviction would produce benefits for the public in the form of a thorough review of procedures in the relevant authority;[249] that there should be a level playing field between the public and private sector;[250]
        and that failure to apply the offence to the Crown would constitute a breach of human rights law.[251

        Meanwhile – 206. A number of witnesses to our inquiry have argued that, in practice, Crown immunity has been retained in many respects because the draft Bill includes exemptions from the offence that will apply primarily to Crown bodies.[254] These exemptions are:
        ◾exclusively public functions
        ◾the public policy decisions of public authorities
        ◾military activities
        ◾services and goods “provided” by an organisation



        May 2, 2015 at 10:20 am

      • I think it obvious the DWP would claim ‘Crown Immunity. they would have no other choice but to do so.


        May 2, 2015 at 12:15 pm

  16. Green Party sets up foodbank outside Iain Duncan Smith’s Tudor mansion in protest against welfare cuts.

    Green Party members have brought the welfare war to Iain Duncan Smith’s front door – by setting up a foodbank outside his Tudor mansion.

    Protesters gathered today against the minister’s sprawling Grade-II listed home in Buckinghamshire, which was built in the 1500s and has a stable block, extensive grounds and a tennis court.

    They put up a stall with tinned tomatoes, noodles and bread in the village of Swanbourne, large parts of which are owned by the work and pensions secretary’s in-laws.

    The small but determined band pulled their stunt to show how government cuts have ‘thrown millions into poverty’.

    They were led by Alan Francis, who is standing for the Green Party in Buckingham against Speaker of the Commons John Bercow.

    He said: “The Coalition has cut and capped many benefits, scrapped Council Tax benefit and introduced the Bedroom Tax.

    “These cuts have affected disabled people, working families and the unemployed.

    The Tories have rubbished claims by foodbanks charity the Trussell Trust that a million people used its services last year.

    But the charity stands by its figures, and says the evidence is clear in the thousands of individual tragedies passing through its doors every week.

    A list of heartbreaking cases presented to MPs included a man who was sanctioned for missing an appointment because his partner had just had a stillborn child.

    Other jobseekers turned up late because of bus delays while others were sanctioned for ‘not jobseeking’ even though they’d secured full-time jobs to start in a few weeks’ time.


    Good for The Green Party, taking the fight right to IDS’s Doorstep – Brilliant.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    May 2, 2015 at 9:08 am

  17. Ed Miliband will try to turn the tables on David Cameron in the final days of the election campaign by denying the UK would be “run for Scotland” under Labour and claiming it would be “run for the wealthy and powerful” if the Conservatives retain power.

    “The question is: who is this country going to be run for?” Mr Axelrod said. “Cameron is absolutely right about the question. But it is not a question of whether the country is going to be run for Scotland. It is a question of whether the country is going to be run for the wealthy and powerful interests, who have thrived and prospered under Tory policies while everyday working people have struggled just to keep up.”



    May 2, 2015 at 9:21 am

  18. Hi All

    Very Interesting information in the above link from the comments section that I think should be shared as Widely as possible as it has Implications for ALL Workfare:

    1st May 2015 by ECAP

    “….And the charities themselves appear to be unaware that the MWA placements they offer are not covered by their Employers’ Liability Insurance. How is this so? There are only two categories of staff that can be insured: volunteers and employees.

    A DWP claimant cannot volunteer for MWA, it is mandatory. Consequently, since they are not a volunteer or an employee – they remain uninsured whilst on placement with the charity.
    This applies to ALL OTHER government workfare schemes. Charities participating in workfare schemes may also wish to consider the fact they can be fined up to £250 for every day they operate without adequate liability insurance. Not to mention the additional adverse media publicity such a hefty fine would attract!”

    [I myself, would note that as the coverage is so specific it also applies to companies as well… Ohhh dearie me]

    As you can imagine being the docile sheep that I am that, I am not LOLing or rubbing my hands with glee at the above news, surely there are no local bodies desperate to fine people, or organizations looking for a nice fat juicy story, after verifyingly informing the Building and Area Managers of staff breaking the law and maybe awnsweerable under the law… hhhhmmmmm


    May 2, 2015 at 10:18 am

    • These fucking schemes are fucking criminal. The bastards will still take you on these slave labour schemes even if you don’t sign the health and safety waiver ffs! No insurance! No health and safety! How the fuck can that be legal?

      workfare is criminal

      May 2, 2015 at 10:31 am

    • These fucking schemes are fucking criminal. The bastards will still take you on these slave labour schemes even if you don’t sign the health and safety waiver ffs! No insurance! No health and safety! How the fuck can that be legal? These workfare exploiters just brush the law aside!

      workfare is criminal

      May 2, 2015 at 10:34 am

      • “Workfare is criminal”, quite right. This is why when the time comes a written request will be put in for all instructions to be made in writing citing Act & appicable regulation, signed by them and their managers – nothing in writing, its not applicable.

        No ONE can be forced/coerced to sign a contract they do not like.

        Remember, harrassment is harrassment. No Acts or applicable regulations within them that do not apply means a] if a company and getting paid, any threats become Fraud “Threats and Menaces” and b] if from DWP breaking civil service charter [gross misconduct level – two and you’re out] – which is why I inisist that entire managemet chain is informed. If cannot back up action it become Abuse of Power & Position [gross misconduct number two], maybe even Fraud as noted above as allowing another entity to gain financially using threats. And their order or trying to puts them in the same boat under collusuion [another misconduct].

        I wish DWP the very very best of luck in wriggling out of that.


        May 2, 2015 at 11:12 am

    • Protesters blackmail charities – charities blackmail protesters, of terrorism – protesters “blackmail” I mean inform charities of Liability Insurance.


      May 2, 2015 at 11:10 am

  19. May 1st 2015.

    Reblogged from Vox Political.

    Victory for Vox Political: DWP ordered to give details of benefit-related deaths.

    The Department for Work and Pensions has been ordered to disclose the number of Incapacity Benefit and ESA claimants who have died between November 2011 and May 2014.

    The ruling comes from the Information Commissioner after an appeal by Vox Political‘s Mike Sivier.

    But it seems likely to have been delayed – possibly for political reasons. If the number of deaths has been high, then it would generate a backlash against the Conservative and Liberal Democrat parties that presided over them in the Coalition Government.

    Mr Sivier said: “The decision notice was ready in February, but the Information Commissioner’s Office delayed its release for reasons that have not been given. Suppose a large number of deaths have taken place – I have heard suggestions that 60,000 people or more may have died as a result of government policy.

    “It seems clear that the revelation of many deaths may turn voters away from supporting the Conservatives or Lib Dems – so it seems appropriate to question that delay. Will the election result be valid if the number of deaths is not known on May 7?”

    The DWP had refused a Freedom of Information request on the grounds that the information would be published in the future (a section 22 exemption) – but the Information Commisioner found that officials had been wrong to do so.

    The ruling means the DWP must disclose – within 35 calendar days of April 30 – the number of IB and ESA claimants who have died between November 2011 and May 2014, broken down into the following categories:

    Those in the assessment phase,

    Those who were found fit for work,

    Those who were placed in the work-related activity group,

    Those who were placed in the support group, and

    Those who had an appeal pending.

    In his ruling, the Commissioner states: “It appears … that the DWP has had reasonable time to prepare for publishing [the] information and that disclosure was not so novel or unusual given the previous requests and disclosures made.


    Obi Wan Kenobi

    May 2, 2015 at 10:55 am

  20. Now it can be argued at this stage that what im about to say is reaching currently but what if all these acts by the Tories are deliberate, that what they have engineered is designed to get a result either way.

    For instance as I provided the other day but do research this yourself, that our Tories in a mere five years have farmed out half of all public services to the private sector, that half of all NHS services have been passed to private companies and finally don’t forget governments move to privatise prisons and parole/rehabilitation.

    Next don’t forget the majority of revenue received in the whole of the UK (ie taxes) comes from the richest in the UK. This amount way over shadows the working publics contribution.

    Now keeping that in mind what’s the direction people on any welfare will take if its removed or to make ends meet while there benefit doesn’t rise.
    Yep this leads to the likes of the NHS and law enforcement becoming unsustainable (healthcare is already at breaking point) and thus forcing the public working or not to decide that if they want healthcare for instance then they either support painful cuts to welfare or face either a hike in taxes and NI and or bring in more privatisation which as you know eventually leads to rises in cost while delivering a small less favourable approach to supplying a said service (a point of record is look at our failing water infrastructure and how investors get most of all the money paid towards delivering potable water or a rail service that never expanded so despite building more trains and planning new track routes the public by far and large still have to stand up, still get train delays and so forth).

    Which do you think there choose ?

    So in parting it doesn’t matter what any party says as there relating to now so when elected means the promises will change or could change because they will state things were no longer what they were when we made a promise. A prime example is despite austerity, investment, borrowing and the likes that UK financial economics has once again faltered so much so that if the public hadn’t had shopped, hadn’t taken out more credit/debt and the economists left out falling oil prices that the picture would have been very bleak indeed.






    May 2, 2015 at 12:48 pm

    • Sorry , I should have said around half of public funds went to private businesses and not half of all public services.


      May 2, 2015 at 12:51 pm

    • Exactly.

      The thieves have got their claws into public services.

      This is probably the biggest problem we face.

      Andrew Coates

      May 2, 2015 at 3:54 pm

      • It is going to be bleak for millions, many people getting into debt, for some to survive, are those people in paid employment, will they be laid off in the very near future.


        May 2, 2015 at 4:40 pm

      • enigma

        sadly I have to agree. Even more sadly it has to happen before it gets better – its just the cost that makes me sad in broken lives.

        This too will pass – society is heading for a fall her in the UK as things are creaking at the seams and the cracks are starting to appear. Things are not pleasent in this land. How can it when Google bets Business “Benifits”, pays little or no real tax via a allowed loop hole and the poor are made poorer.

        The Problem? to continue as for the ConCons Dream of continual explotation the pool/numbers of poor must increase in number. The result? More and more unrest like a powder keg until it explodes. When it does there will be no rule of law as the law will be viewed on the side of our “betters”. Think Romania.


        May 2, 2015 at 9:01 pm

      • Actually Gazza the problem isn’t that the likes of Google don’t pay there fair share, its that neither the UK or USA government profit in terms of revenue from said companies so the money goes straight to the google pocket unlike say a british company trading in the UK or an American company in the USA.

        To make matters worse, google apart from having a lion share of all the wealth in the world in business terms thereby governments relenting to act but also there seen as some sort of tech gods who will one day save us all (remember those post apocalyptic films where just a few brand names control society with the rich living in tall towers while the poor move from lit oil drum to lit oil drum, shabby stalls selling rat as meat).

        Now again I don’t know how many here have experience with being self employed or owning or running a company but heres the thing.

        The game has always been be you a one man band or a larger than life business,

        A: Spend the taxes, not the profit and,

        B: If you cant hide it, at least cover it.

        Basically without going into to much detail, you use the money you pay as taxes or should I say would have and spend it on something that benefits you like say a nice car, meaning as its deductible, claim it as a business vehicle and also claim private mileage.

        Now what just happened there besides gaining a car you normally couldn’t afford was that you converted this car into a business asset which moves me onto point B.

        If every one was honest in business, all companies would be paying there fair share of revenue as once you have a client base and a product or service that the national and or global public want, its hard not to generate enough money to warrant paying taxes. So what all businesses do is convert revenue into assets like stock for instance.

        If you like its like viewing say a warehouse of say CD players yet to be purchased as gold bullion. You cant take a bar of gold into any shop and purchase anything (remember the film, the man with the million pound note), yet it still holds its value.

        Now instead of CD players, imagine each player as a business and you have google.

        The only reason our eyes are drawn to the likes of google is because of there size hence overall worth but may I assure you all businesses do it, even sold traders.


        May 3, 2015 at 10:07 am

  21. Obi Wan’s Directive for any future Government:


    Obi Wan kenobi

    May 2, 2015 at 1:02 pm

  22. Oh yeah, forgot to say:

    Seriously hope Ms McVey loses her seat, which looks like it’s gonna happen anyway, but a lot more seriously hope IDS ALSO LOSES HIS SEAT AND IS BROUGHT UP ON CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.

    Obi Wan kenobi

    May 2, 2015 at 1:08 pm

  23. I really hope that everyone understands that there are currently NO MP’S.

    As of the 30th of April – Parliament was dissolved.

    Until a new Government is elected on 7/05/15, there will be nobody to authorise anything including sanctions at any JCP.

    Obi Wan kenobi

    May 2, 2015 at 3:49 pm

    • If you want it in plain English, anything any JCP tells you to do as ‘Mandatory’ – must by law be accompanied by a letter signed by a JCP adviser or work roach ‘ON BEHALF OF THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR EITHER, EMPLOYMENT OR THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR WORK AND PENSIONS’


      Obi Wan kenobi

      May 2, 2015 at 4:01 pm

  24. Andy Coates:

    Here’s a really good idea – How about a minister not just ‘FOR’ employment, but ‘FOR’ the ‘UNEMPLOYED’

    A minister to make sure legally that anyone (including disabled people) and everyone out of work receive at least the basic minimum to survive on.

    Obi Wan kenobi

    May 2, 2015 at 4:14 pm

  25. Many people are living in wonderland or as some say, on another planet, meanwhile I live in reality where only the truth is told.


    May 2, 2015 at 8:14 pm

    • It’s called Narnia!

      Obi Wan kenobi

      May 2, 2015 at 8:15 pm

      • Yes, like those in power where the truth isn’t told.


        May 2, 2015 at 8:26 pm

  26. Vote for CHRISTMAS!!

    The Turkeys

    May 2, 2015 at 8:32 pm

  27. £7 mill +vat for the JC’s electronic desk coffee warmers.

    Reduction in fraud, as it is virtually impossible to forge someone else’s signature using
    the signing pad.

    But what if the fraudster was there at the 6 sample signings.
    What if a fraudster simply signs at a different JC using another NI, it only compares with the last signature, not with signatures in another town.

    Another Fine Mess

    May 3, 2015 at 12:23 am

    • Virtually impossible is pure bull crap.

      For a start many claimants have to repeat there signature more than once on every sign on date (in the past 3 weeks I alone on each sign date had to re enter mine 4 times) so not just the machine but also DWPs process actually helps you perfect the forgery.

      What the machine and software actually prove is that peoples hand pressure, hand flow and timing change signature to signature.

      So you don’t have to be at the sample signing as the odds are there be at least one piece of paper in a persons trash carrying there signature (most people only use one signature) but heres the catch. DWP don’t then hand over cash meaning this fraudster now has gain access to the victims bank account.

      The truth is no fraudster is going to go through all of that for pennies which im sorry is what benefits are. On the balance of the time spent in prison its highly unlikely.

      The fraudsters DWP refer to aren’t this type but people claiming benefits while working, feigning illness or injury, claiming on behalf of someone else who is working or making money from crime and lastly claiming under the names of deceased people. This means other than extra evidence for a court case, it renders the signing pad mute as it will be the fraudster who signed on to claim benefit in the first place.

      Now DWP are either morons or this pad lark is for some other reason/s, personally and professionally I go for the latter.


      May 3, 2015 at 10:47 am

      • If DWP were really serious about fraud they would use retinal scans instead but again even that can be forged although currently highly unlikely considering the work involved to pull it off which is a bridge to far for todays common criminals.

        Understand the fundamentals of the hardware/software and the rest is history.


        May 3, 2015 at 11:10 am

      • I can’t think of any fraud that it would detect. I can’t imagine there’s that many people frauding someone elses ID just so that they can get a place on the Waste Programme or MWA.

        Another Fine Mess

        May 3, 2015 at 12:25 pm

  28. This Political Compass is good if you are undecided. Found out that I am further to the left both economically and socially than Ghandi 🙂 Nearest match is the Green although even they are too right-wing lol


    May 3, 2015 at 12:40 pm

  29. The Tory economic plan is NOT working, at all

    David Cameron has successfully framed this election on the four Ds of deficit, deceit, deals and delusion.

    Throughout the election campaign, the Conservative party’s mantra has been the government’s long-term economic plan is working. That’s working, as in:

    having the slowest recovery from recession in 100 years
    working as in boasting about halving the deficit over five years when the plan was to eliminate it
    working as in housebuilidng at its lowest level since the 1920s
    working as in manufacturing and construction operating below their pre-recession levels
    working as in fewer owner-occupiers and homelessness up by one third
    working as in an extra half-a-million people on zero-hour contracts
    working as in the first fall in living standards over a five-year period since modern records began in 1960
    and working as in more than 900,000 people relying on food banks, a 15-fold increase since the last election.



    May 3, 2015 at 1:39 pm

    • It’s working for the well off though, for the well off don’t have to endure what the majority have to endure.


      May 3, 2015 at 1:55 pm

      • You would have to be an absolute idiot to ever believe Labour were responsible, especially when you consider the Tories didn’t see it coming either unless of course they would like to admit they knew but let it happen anyway.

        I see that the blond business lady sitting in the undecided crowd on the BBC question time election was a plant. Turns out the stupid woman is a pro conservative who signed that letter sent in by businesses.

        If she is willing to commit fraud which lets face it is exactly what it is, what else would she be prepared to do.

        My condolences to her employees.


        May 4, 2015 at 8:29 am

    • There is a reason why Cameron keeps talking about the “economy”. Jacques Ellul’s book “Propaganda” explains it. Put simply, Cameron is taking the piss!

      cameron talks bollocks

      May 3, 2015 at 3:51 pm

      • That’s why when you see him on his ‘soap-box’ on the ‘factory floor’ talking to the ‘hard workers’ he rolls up his shirt sleeves; so you don’t catch him laughing up him.

        cameron talks bollocks

        May 3, 2015 at 3:54 pm

      • laughing up them. Almost surreal as George Osborne in his hi-vis jacket on yet another building site.

        cameron talks bollocks

        May 3, 2015 at 3:55 pm

  30. Another step to prevent the low paid and unemployed from looking for and applying for paid employment.

    Andrew Ellis, professor of optical communications at Aston University, said rationing internet use or charging more so that more cables can be installed may need to be considered. Unless action is taken, optical fibres could reach their limit within eight years.



    May 3, 2015 at 4:36 pm

    • Well that’s the end of UC and digital job centres then.

      Another Fine Mess

      May 3, 2015 at 4:52 pm

    • Notice how everything these days seems to be heading for some peril in 2 decades ?


      May 4, 2015 at 8:31 am

      • I’ve noticed too, it’s bad enough in 2015, “things can only get better” as some say, I think not.


        May 4, 2015 at 9:46 am

      • And the lack of Doctors, you no doubt have seen it.


        May 4, 2015 at 9:49 am

      • Heres the thing enigma, it took according to records 11 years to escape the great depression which is nolonger that great when compared to todays one.

        Also as 11 years isn’t quite correct, it was America joining the war that ineffect put the timeline on hold as America did what they did today, print money out of thin air. They also cured there unemployment problem by you guessed it, drafting those that could while putting the others to work at home building tanks and stuff.

        So how any government can claim 5 years (tories) to get out of it which as we know they didn’t is a joke, and a joke on the public who swallowed it may I add. Even right now the tories or any party are claiming they need another 5 to get the job done.

        So that brings us to 10 years and lets not forget todays crash is a whole lot bigger. This means yet again every party, not just the tories are lying again.


        May 4, 2015 at 5:05 pm


    Anyone on here has an “Annual Verification of Your Claim” letter from the DWP yet?

    It’s the first I’ve heard of it.

    You have to tick boxes and then sign a declaration stating that there are no changes to your circumstances – “so we can make sure you are getting the correct amount of benefit”.

    I thought a claimants declared that every time they sign at the Jobcentre?


    May 4, 2015 at 8:24 am

    • This also then leads to a verification visit at home. I live in a particular block of flats in Ipswich and the verifiers are always here. If you know ipswich it is near the library.


      May 5, 2015 at 7:26 am

  32. The number of people using food banks will double to more than two million a year under the Conservatives’ plans for £12bn of welfare cuts, an academic study by Oxford University suggests.

    The research was seized on by Labour as evidence that David Cameron’s welfare cuts will have far-reaching consequences for family budgets, including eating into in-work benefits, if the Conservatives get back into power next week. On the Question Time leaders’ debate on Thursday, Mr Cameron said he did not want or had no plans to cut child benefit further – but Labour claims this does not mean he has ruled it out. The Prime Minister, asked about child benefit cuts on BBC Breakfast yesterday, again refused to rule it out.

    Labour’s spokesperson on work and pensions, Rachel Reeves, told The Independent on Sunday that the Oxford University study was extremely worrying for families on low incomes, and claimed that Mr Cameron’s failure to rule out child benefit cuts suggested that they were on the table.



    May 4, 2015 at 10:33 am

  33. So Anthony Coates the author of this piece, think it okay that the unemployed in this country are forced into slavery? Also you say peoples outcomes have improved? yet there is no evidence of this and many analysts have said it increased unemployment. This author is clearly and has not researched the matter.

    Ian Phillips

    February 26, 2016 at 1:06 am

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